Hour 2: NBA East Odds & That Guy Thursday

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1:00We'll see if it matters. They want three in a row. I don't know. Back to back. Brown. Well, you always get Kings. You know, it was my big. Docs back the back. It was my biggest complaint. It was always Tampa, Florida, no day off, and it was always Kings, Docs, no day off. It's like, can we just get a day? We are nice weather. Can you just get me to tell you why that's a bad thing and Peter will appreciate this. I'm not going to, I'm not going to name names. Sometimes we would get, because I didn't have it with the Devils this year, but I had it with the Rangers. We'd always be in Fort Lauderdale around New Year's. So we'd have a day off. It's not a big deal. And it's sometimes the team that is playing the Panthers after us would already be at the hotel. So I mean, they got two three days off. Oh, yeah. Right down. Well, and listen, I thank my lucky stars for the game. The hotel we stay at is right on the wall. Oh, that's cool. It's so nice.

2:01It's so nice. It's so nice. I'm just telling you, it's not, it's not a hundred percent, but it's probably in the upper eighties that that team I was talking about bet on them to lose. They got three days off in Fort Lauderdale. They got no legs for that game. None. Right. In New York, nothing. They're like sitting on a beach and sunning yourself. Yeah. You got none shot. The next game. It is hard to pull it together afterwards. Not bad. A nice dinner. It's the lights in a row. Couple. Couple of beverages. Yeah. At least one night with a voice. One night with a voice. One night with a voice. One night with a voice. One night with a voice. If you're young and you're running the town. There is something about you go out, you party, bang next day you play where it could affect you from some guys you skated out the next morning. They're fine. Well, because they're because they're young, like how tired are they going to be? Right. It's not responsible. It's not something you should do. It's not that big of a deal. But when for like three days, you're like shutting down.

3:03You have like a little bit of a skate, but you just hanging by the pool or you're hanging in the ocean. And these guys are single in their millionaire. So they're there. They've got company. Glorious. And then they show up for the next game and it's like, you know, they got nothing. Yeah. I mean, God knows what else is going on too. So I think you're out in California. You just came back from how New York has been. Probably good. The islanders are playing back to back. Last thing in these like two days off, listen up at the beach. I was never one that worried about the players. No. This was about like, I'm on this trip and I can't get a day. No, I guess it's come on. But you couldn't get a day. No. I got to cover two, I got to cover two games now back to back and then we're out of town. Like no, no, this is no good. I can't get one extra day. Like with that, that's why it's great. The nicks. Oh, we're there for almost a week. It's beautiful. Lakers, clippers, kidding early, leave on a late, although this trip, I'm not on it. Back to back. Lakers, clippers.

4:04NG. Same. So glad I'm not on that. Same. But why? Oh, no, different. But it's back to back. For whatever reason, they're back to back. They're close, though, buildings, right? Yeah. Well, it's in the same town, but the point is again, you just don't get that day. You need a day. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, man. It's a nice day. So I want to meet up with friends. Again, it's just not about players. I, you know, I was talking about a player perspective. I'm talking about it from us, and from a better perspective, if you ever see that. Now, speaking of betting perspective, here are the odds as of what time, seven can last night. All right. Now, this is before, right? This is before the news that broke today that Jason Tatum is expected to make his day but this has to be that they get. I'm just wondering. It says seven. It says when were these for because it says today, seven, 10 p.m., it's not seven, 10 p.m. Yeah. I just, I just copied them off of the draft Kings app. That's the, that's the current. This is current.

5:04That's what I saw this morning on get up. Right. So just so everybody knows, though, that news, the news about Tatum didn't break until this afternoon when it was said that he, now he's been practicing, right? It was in a five on five, but they now have upgraded him from out to question. Oh, for tomorrow night's game in Dallas, oh, I'm sorry, in Boston against Dallas. And that's got everybody thinking, okay, he's coming back and he's going to play. So what they're factoring in the Tatum is going to be available, which is 10 months. 10 months. 10 months. So did you see in the speeder? Ah, I just did. Okay. So we'll take the guessing out of it. But for the audience, right now, the favorite to win the Eastern Conference in the post season. I'm assuming this is post season, not winning the conference in the regular season, right? Of course. This is making it to the final. The Boston Celtics, the plus 240. Caves at plus 300. And that's obviously the trade, the hard act, the hard and the deal.

6:06Pistons 380, Knicks plus 400. And then it's, you know, reindeer games, I don't worry about the, you know, six years or plus 2,200. So those are your four. And there are some tricks right now. The favorites. But it's all pretty close. Peter was right. No, it's very close. You made it a 400 of over four teams, right? No, 240. 240, 240. Okay. So. And then there's a drop to the pistons. I mean, for the, for the Celtics to be at 240 and the Knicks at 400, it's a significant difference. They're saying of the, not, not of the entire conference. But of those four teams that I mentioned, they consider the Knicks the Long shot. I love it. Love it. Well, that's an interesting thing that you brought up. I get that from the fan standpoint. What do you mean? Because it's like, you take, you're taking the pressure. Let everybody think, because I always say that the fan, don't you want everybody not believe it in your team, rather than having everybody, the expectations. But does that work for players too? Yes. So, first of all, the players don't care what you think.

7:11We don't think you can win. Okay, great. What do you think? Make me like feel bad about how I'm playing. Oh, nobody's picking us. What does that usually do, Don? I think the only effect it usually has the opposite. Yes. If it does anything, it's positive. It's, it's, to me, it's when you're the favorite. It's, it almost feels like everything's accelerated. And how many times have you said this, Don, where we build you up to our standard. And then when you don't, when you don't reach that standard, we tell you you suck or you failed. And it's like, wait, no, we didn't. Like you're the one that said this, we didn't. I do think when you're, when you're a, especially a veteran team, I don't need to be told that you think we're going to win it all. I don't need to be told them a favorite. Just tell me where to go. And I'm going to play it. That's usually what it is. What you want to do is make sure that you're sitting yourself up in the right situations where I'll have home court for as much as I possibly can. And as we saw it last year, anything goes because the next I ended up having home court in the conference finals because the, the Pacers got there.

8:13They knocked off the caps. So anything can happen. So all you care about is how do you feel about your game when you get to the postseason? Not what are they saying about us? A young team might care about that. We need our respect. I'd rather be the team that under promises and over delivers. So I'd rather be the team that people say they could win, but they're not one of the favorites. They're the fourth favorite. Great. Now, I guess take the pressure on the end of the day. It doesn't matter. But we do respect the odds that Vegas puts on. They seem to kind of know what they're doing. Of course. Right. Well, you know what that's based on. The Tatum stuff. Well, it's based on a Tatum stuff. And the fact that they're second in the league, but it also, yeah, it tells you how they played without Tatum. Yeah. They've been great. But what they're also telling you is they're not buying the next. They're not buying anybody. They're not buying anybody. Now, obviously you're not going to buy the Cavaliers. They've never done a thing in the postseason. No. Right. So why would you believe in the Cavs? Both of them. Destroy.

9:13Prove it to me. Yeah. Young. Because they haven't been out of the first round since 2008. Right. But the Knicks were in the conference final last year. Yeah. The Knicks were the odds on favorite at the beginning of the year to go. So why the disrespect for the Knicks is it is it just because, hey, look, they can't beat the pistons. So why am I going to pick them? Do they want? Do they want the favorite? They're going to lose to the pistons at some point. Do they want the money? Do they want the New York money? Well, we could extrapolate it out too when you think about it. What do you mean? Forget the first round. Because by being top four, the Knicks are obviously going to win their first round matchup. That's what Draft Kings and Vegas is predicting. They're not going to face the pistons yet if everything's the way it's supposed to be. They could face Boston. Correct? That's right. Well, if Boston's the favorite, they can't have them in a second round matchup not be favorite against the Knicks. So now they say. So then by that, you don't get to the conference final. And then one of those other teams, whether it be the pistons or the calves, have a chance to get to the conference finals better than the Knicks because the Celtics would beat them in a second. Yes. So you're just doing a simple math.

10:14The reason why the Knicks are fourth is because they don't see them getting past the Celtics because the Celtics are their favorite. But my point is, is that with Tatum, the Knicks beat the Celtics last year, Vegas is telling you that was a fluke. The Knicks are also two and one against Celtics this year without Tatum, without two. And I think you can make the case the Knicks, even though they have the same record they did last year. You just mentioned they're much better against good teams than they were last year. They've got a different coach playing better now towards the end of the season. Right, but don't you see, but nobody's buying it because they, but they don't believe that last year. I don't think it's right. The Knicks, I think this is about the Celtics. This is a team. This is special. This is a head coach who's been there. This is a team that they know Tatum was coming back. That's two superstars that have won a championship. So of course they become the favorite. They are banking on the idea that people just see the brand name Jason Tatum and think, oh my God, they're getting back an all NBA superstar. But we all know that's not what they're getting right now.

11:15They're not getting that version of him. Have you seen guys come back from Achilles? We've seen them all. Kobe Bryant came back in about eight months and Kobe Bryant played and got hurt and played a little more than got hurt more. And then he broke his leg. Yeah, that was the end. Like these things do happen where players come back and we all think you're taking the guy for who you know him as and now you're adding him to this team. So that's the first buyer. Beware. Is you know this is going to take Tatum a while to find his game and while he's doing it, he has to do it with a team that's learned to play without him. How does that impact it? That's what is weird. You got to find time too. This is not the same team that they've had the last couple of years that had veterans and they were. They've been there. Done that. This is not that team. Brown, Derek White. Those are the same guys. Everybody else. Young. Everybody else in experience. This is a different. He didn't play a lot. No. I think he was hurt. Wasn't he? They're not a huge part of that. But they are a different team.

12:16But we again are just assuming is the Celtics. They've already won a championship recently. So this is who you have. This is about the brand names. This is making you, tricking you into seeing Celtics, Brown, Tatum, Mizzula. Oh, okay. They've been there. Done that. Detroit has no experience. But if you look at the Celtic roster and who plays in that rotation, you can't name those guys. Hugo Gonzalez. You know who he is, Peter? Not really. No. But he's been a really nice find. He's a rookie. Like they have. They have the different players they have on this roster. Oh, no. If you shake your head and say, if you watch only in the playoffs and that's when you see the Celtics, they're going to go, wait, this isn't the same team as last year. But there is legit value out and still to star players who want a championship with this head coach, right? But that's a Payton Pritchard, right, because he won six men of the year. So you know what he's about. But there's so many Baylor Shireman starting by the way and Luca Garza. This is who they've got.

13:17This is who they're playing. Then they traded for Vousavitch, who's never been out of the first round in his life. And remember, this was a team that's why it's buyer beware. This was a team this year that I think they thought we're going to make some moves and prepare for the following year. And this is then turned into this year. But I don't think this was the team they thought they were going to chase a championship with. I assume next year they thought everybody. Everybody on the outside thought this is a gap year for the Celtics. Right. Everybody assumed what Indiana is doing is what Boston, what it's going to do to except Brad Stevens and Joe Missoula said, no, we're not. We're going to compete. And we're going to see where we are. And their defense is phenomenal. Brown has been fantastic. And here we are. And they're, they, but they have a hard schedule to finish. They just got smoked last night by a red hot Hornets team. And now I'm curious to see if Tatum parachuting in does disrupt what they're doing. And does you get to a point where you play Tatum a little bit, let them get a taste and then just say, you know what? You made the comeback, but he's not ready for the playoffs.

14:18Well, and we'll see you next time. And as, as we always, Michael, I think as Michael always likes to say, first world problems are still problems getting Tatum back when this has become for this year, this new group that they have, including those some of those names that Alan just mentioned, they don't, they've never played on a team with Jason Tatum. No, they're on Jalen Brown's team. This is Jalen Brown's team. Tatum will come back and not be a full strength. Will he know how to sit back and still let it be Jalen Brown's team? It's going to be interesting from his documentary is. When I come back, I will not be a role player. He's going to have to be a role player. He has to be. He can't just come back. Otherwise, he's fascinating to watch. Yeah, otherwise, otherwise God forbid, he's getting hurt again. Well, that's what I'm, and again, the history of these comebacks do include minor injuries. So it's interesting. No, it is interesting, but what they're saying is, hey, these are the defending champions and the other three guys haven't really done anything. Next one to the conference final last year. Yes. But really what they accomplished last year was beating Boston.

15:21That was the accomplishment. They didn't beat the Pacers and Detroit gave him a handful. Yep. The big flex was beating Boston. Could they do it again? And maybe Vegas is betting on the fact that I think last year was a fluke. They called Boston, maybe sleep in a little bit because they were the defending champs. Nick's had a chip on their shoulder to go to the event and the other thing too, you know, we looked at it as great, you know, you can't be spot in the Celtics, 20 points, expect to win all the time. You know, you play the exact same way this time, you know, they'll be like, wait, they're going to wake up now. They're going to be minding their pees and cues. But Vegas doesn't always get it right, but it is interesting to get a perspective outside of what people think and they don't believe just yet. But it also could be, hey, let's get the Nick fans, which there are many to now bet on the next to plus 400 plus 400 and see by the time we get to the playoffs, how those odds might change. How does Tatum fit in with Boston, right? If the next close out the season, those odds might change pretty dramatically and one thing that can't change is the matchup with the pistons because they don't play them again. And again, just to repeat, I never understood fans who get angry when either Vegas or national

16:29analysts don't pick your team to be like the best or don't don't believe in your team. Why does that bother you? That's that you'd rather that because once you are considered the favorite, the expectations ramp up. We do know it's New York. To me, I'd rather not have that hanging over my toe, but you've also played amazing basketball with all the expectations going into the season, you know, so it's all depends how you look at it. Let's go to spike and St. Pete, you're on ESPN, New York, what's up, spike? Hey, guys, good to talk to you. I think it's good for our sports talk radio, Alan makes just your great point. The history behind these Achilles returns, so there's a plentiful, they really are, in other sports too. And they run the risk of someone like Tatum getting re-engineered by trying to play too hard, fit in, they have a shy man and then Garza, you know, these were known hands. They changed a lot of people, a lot of front line players on the South, they haven't

17:30going yet. They got the best coach in the East Blaspholster, but I really see it differently, I realize something last night. I don't get excited, I knew 100% on the money. Nothing is different today than it was prior to that OKC game, but I did see stuff that I don't approve of, but I got to live with it, like things in life. You got to live with them. This guy bought an updated version of a dirty guy that pushes the limit and as great as SGA is a second best player on the planet, you can't breathe on a guy. And he's created that illusion. He really has a couple of calls in the game, look, the next show they could stay with him. I knew that before the game, whereas he had a move with a big lead and then they got whacked. It's funny even this year, it really is, and I think the sleeping giant, Aaron Gordon's coming back out on Friday night. Did you know that? Yeah, yeah, they were trying to get him back. He's been hurt all year. I know that, but he's vital, he's vital to them, because if they got from the shooter

18:31they got from the nets, hasn't quite enjoyed yet, can you? He's struggled with that. Yeah, he's your whole experience. And they miss, they miss Peyton Watson, he's been a really good piece for them, and he got hurt too. Yeah, normal question for you, and you got to settle this, man, I don't know, oh, you already got to. This is where I can't pattern, I keep hearing it from guys who know basketball like Alan and less than and so on and so forth. I understand guys like Jack, I'm an impossible to appreciate, I've heard that from a lot of guys, personal stuff. Why does Yokeh, they beat him up because he looks like he is, and he just doesn't look like the best player in the room, he is the best player, and when he comes out of a game looking like he's got some burn, he gets whacked up and he's so ready. Yeah, he gets scratched. Yeah. Why does, why does he, why does he not get the calls based on size, and why does Jalen Brunson, who flops along with SGA, and they're two great players to me, different styles, why does Brunson get the calls in SGA, and why does Yokeh get the respect, I don't understand

19:35it, explain it to me. Well, Yokeh just won three MVP, so I think he gets plenty of respect. The Brunson thing is that people still call him, you know, the free throw merchant just like they do with Shay, but you don't realize that Brunson, his free throw attempt to down this season, and a lot of things that he was able to do in previous two years to draw fouls that frustrated opponents, they're not giving him those whistles anymore. He does get beat up, I don't get it, but I think the more physical of a player you are, the more they allow the defense to be physical with you. That's what I think, I think we, I think that's what happens. And the more athletic and like slippery player gets the calls because they're not playing physical. I don't know how, I don't know how else to describe it, but that's, it's the hardest sport to me to officiate because it's player by player, it's not like one rule for everybody.

20:39It seems like it changes based on the physicality of a player. Also, you can be sure, I saw replay many times that SGA shot last night, there can be angles where people are sure there's no foul and there still is some level of it. Absolutely agree. It happens all the time. Again, he only took six free throws last night. He took seven, but the seventh was the tech on Mike Brown, so you don't count that. But with fouls drawn, he took six free throws. That's well below his average, he average is almost 10. If we want to talk about SGA violating, it should be the jacket that he wore. Can we talk about this? That was, it was 50 degrees when they got to the arena. And that, as Don, you know that tunnel, the ramp, you're on the fifth floor and the ramp takes you right down to the buses, so you don't have to wait for the elevator. Now, there's an elevator that all the players can get on. It's a very famous freight elevator that, I mean, Sinatra has been on this elevator. It's like you're talking about the one thing they left after they did the transformation

21:41was that elevator because it's just such a historic elevator, but a lot of players just prefer to walk up the ramp. Now it's a long walk and it was warm. And still he had this thing on walking in because he knew the cameras be out at the ESPN game. They're always going to make sure they get a shot of it. And yeah, and then he wore a post game while talking to the media with his mouth covered by this. You know what? It looks like a build a bear. I don't know if this will be one of ours, but you know, that guy Thursday's next. It's fringing on. It's for sure. It's trending. That guy. Two teams, one cup. The prime time stage is set for the TGL presented by SoFi finals Los Angeles Golf Club versus Tiger's Jupiter links. Keep up. It's playoffs. Tune in Monday, March 23rd, 9 PM Eastern on ESPN 2 and Tuesday, March 24th, 7 PM Eastern on ESPN and on the ESPN app. It's not just something you made. It's the privilege that you get to work with your hands.

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23:44Kick this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you can do a podcast. We all have that one friend. I'm talking about the yo-yo's who set themselves on fire and bathe in pork and beans. Or know that one person who can't help but be. He's not cool. His voice is weird. He's kind of adored. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying. That guy. I didn't know it was banter night. We won't be out for that. It's time for that guy Thursday. Hey guys. Anyone want to play some ball? With Ton, Han and Rosenberg. He's just being that guy. Well, I'm going to start today with, I don't know if this is being that guy, but you're definitely like, you're not being a good guy here. Oh, okay. Who's that? We'll be the judge. There's this incredible story that I read.

24:44It has to do with Cal State Bakery Field. Okay. There are men's basketball team. Their head coach, Rod Barnes, has been dismissed. They're the worst team in the league. So it's not like, you know, he was doing anything special. But he had been there for a while, but he was dismissed along with some others because there was an email from a tipster that alleged that Barnes had hired an assistant coach, my name Kevin Mays, who was also working. He was, you know, doing some side hustle as a pimp. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, Donald will spit out his coffee. I was not expecting that. Across four states while also coaching Cal State Bakery's field. Four states. So you got to figure that's Nevada, Oregon. His bigger field is what?

25:45It's in the dust ball. Yeah. Yeah. Working four states. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's, that's the problem as Kevin Mays, he played not guilty, of course. And he is not, he's not commenting at all. Well, he's innocent. There is, according to this, this well-written story on ESPN.com. A lot of evidence that he has been involved in human trafficking and, uh, boy. And also, yeah, setting up for, uh, different meetings for what a pimp would do while also coaching the team. It's just a bizarre thing, right? Because if you want to be a coach, a basketball coach, this is what your dream is to do. And by the way, he was a player. He did play. He was getting $3,000 a month as an assistant coach. Not a ton of money, but he's getting paid and he's working. Jacob doesn't make a lot of money. I don't think he's a pimp. No.

26:45Well, we don't know. But if we found out, that would be, I told Anthony, like it would make more sense if we did it. I know you don't want to mean it. Just like, just, just wake if you do any pimp in here. Here's, here's an example though. All right. You mean, but remember, it's not easy, but it's necessary. Did I see that from you? I'm sorry. I was trying to build to get there and I couldn't, he saw it and he ran it over. It was good in my bed. Maze, by the way, denied any involvement in prostitution and told police that his girlfriend had possession of his rental car. The rental car was, of course, he rented through the school. That's not good either. No. No. Yeah. They have found multiple firearms when searching his apartment, automatic rifles, a large quantity of drugs, and several other things. Yeah. There's a lot of things that just get more and more disturbing, but it's just so bizarre because why would you become a coach?

27:49So this man who is a men's basketball coach in college that hired you on to his step and you've destroyed all of it rather than like if you were already in this business of being a pimp, just be a pimp. I'll state Bakersfield head coach position. Yeah. What do we think that's bringing it in though? Probably six figures, but low, low, low, low six, six, six, eight, it's a, it's one of these like, you know, you want to, it's a proven start. Yeah. You're going to start your career. It's called 130 grand. He's been, yeah, so again, Maze, Maze played for the school, right? I played at the school and his whole plan was to play pro overseas and he kept working at the school and his whole thing was how he wanted to give back to the school. And by giving back, I mean, taking everything he could.

28:49So this is a guy that is ruined other lives, never, not to mention probably some of the women who he forced to work for him and trafficked and all that stuff. And then I had coach who had a job who had no idea this was going on, clueless and lost his job to. So he was a recent hire on the steps in June made $3,000 a month. Yeah. Yeah. $3,000 a month. That's it. And apparently had the ability to rent a car through the school's account, right? And then ended up letting the girls use it and they would meet men. You know, listen. People. How do you stumble into something? That's a guy. I don't think you stumble. Well, I mean, I don't think he's walking around, you know, with, I don't think he's got a fur coat and a dream coat, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, but it did, but let me ask it. Nothing tips you off. You don't watch the guy and think this. I don't know. Because listen, you're concentrating on your team, right? The last thing in the world you're thinking is this guy's a pimp, right?

29:55And I don't, did, did women come to him? Was he recruiting women to do it or apparently he was, uh, he would use like threats and stuff, make them work. I, the story gets just like, there's things I don't really want to say here about it. I don't like dark stuff. It's pretty good. I don't want to defend the head coach, but like, is that going to be on your radar? Like I think people can't do things. I don't, how would it be? I guess he should be paying it, but is that something you're looking for? Let's make sure that none of my assistant coaches are pimping out women. That's, that's the hard part. Right. I mean, I, I don't think that's on you. Like, so what would you see that would be suspicious? You're so focused on the game. Well, we hear about these coaches. All they do is think about the sport that they coach and they don't, they don't pay attention to their families or anything else. Like, I don't know what would be something that would raise your antenna. They would say, I think he, I think someone's going to be like this. Guys, a little shady. I don't know what's going on. Like, if he's selling drugs, maybe you notice something, wouldn't he, though, weird people hanging

30:57around. Weird people hanging around. It's usually the part that tips you off. This coach comes around and who these people he's with, like, what's going on? No. He's young. How old was he? Uh, I did not see an age in here, but he played, he played there for two years in the mid teens, 20, 2015, 16, so he's probably in his early 30s. He's probably, you know, I guess maybe some women are hanging around. Are you thinking, make sure he's not pimping all those women or be like, oh, look, he's really popular. Let's go. What's going on with these? So let me, let me, let me throw it in. It's weird. I don't know. So I don't know. So you guys know the rap sheet, 11 criminal and misdemeanor charges, including felonies such as pimping, which I didn't know was a felony, but okay. And all kinds of other charges of possession of firearms, 33 years old, I'm told, okay, by the 33. 33. So yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't know what something like that looks like. Maybe this is a dream or whatever, but like I, I could honestly say, I've never met a pim.

31:58Never? No. Well, we don't know that. Well, I don't, very good point. Yeah. I never knowingly. There you go. Or like, oh, did you, or had any of my friends become a pimped? Well, that's the friends that I've had friends do drugs. I, I don't think I knew any friends that sold drugs other than maybe like selling marijuana or whatever. Come on. I don't, I don't. Back in the day. No hash. Oxies. Whoa. I was going. What is going on? I wouldn't. That's crazy. That what do you mean? I was taking it to school. That was a thing for a while. I was taking it. I was taking it with me, your prop. I was taking it with the stoner drugs. You jumped right to the opioids. Got intense. That's, you don't, you don't remember how it was almost like two common? Well, of course. The major problem. I was like, I knew for people you knew. Well, this is all, you're revealing all kinds of information from me. Listen, where I'm from, you know. Yeah. That's different. But what I found with people like this guy, and especially since his job would be on the line, they're usually pretty good until they're not of hiding that stuff.

32:59Like I was always the square, like I wasn't the guy that got involved in that stuff. So they could have had a lot of that stuff going around, so, but they knew don't, don't bring that up to Don. Don't show that to Don. Don't don't, don't invite Don to that party where that's going on out. No. It's just that they knew that that's not how I roll. I will respect. Listen, all I know is that the people that did crimes back when I was a kid, they were respectful of the people that didn't, they were straight. Like the movies will always make it seem like they'd walk all over you or think you were a loser. I always pushed you. Not that I knew a lot of people that were a criminal element. Are you head you share? But I felt the people that did roll that way didn't involve the people that didn't. Not because they were afraid to get knocked out, it's just like, no, that's not how we roll. And if you don't don't involve him. It was always like, you don't want this. No, don't. Exactly. No, you don't want this. Well, how come you didn't invite me to that party? You don't want it. You don't want it. And you find out that party was. Yeah. You don't want to be around that. But I honestly didn't know a lot of people that, like I honestly, I never knew anybody

34:06that did coke. I would always find out after the fact, like, like, you know, you know, like, we're at swear we're at and it's like, oh, you know that guy you met? Like, what's his name? Yeah, he's a Pimp. What? Because you think Pimp, and of course, what do you think? You think, of course, the movie character of a Pimp, right? Your picture in the Godfather of WWE. But it's just regular. Yeah, Jacob. I'll show you guys. Right. Now, I'm going to throw something at you. Speaking of WWE real quick, I have a, that guy concerned, concerned. One of the news, making your items, making it around the, the dirt sheets, as they're known, the WWE sort of, the wrestling world news, we call it the dirt sheets where I'm from. Interesting. That WWE has done some, uh, uh, copyright work around nicknames related to Tom Brady, including T-bone and the untouchable Tom Brady. Uh-oh. I don't know if you guys saw the news story last week around the Super Bowl actually, Tom Brady had said some choice things about Logan Paul in lead up to what I thought was

35:10about the flag football game that they're supposed to be playing that I'm guessing is being postponed. Oh, the one in Mexico. No, the one in Riyadh. Oh, Riyadh. Right. Right. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, that's right. That was a, that's a lot of money that now will not, I, I don't know when they're going to do it. I can't imagine it's now. I saw that. How would you get there? I saw that the, the embassy burned to the ground, I believe in Riyadh. So, um, so I thought the, the original back and forth between Brady and Logan Paul was maybe related to that. But now that I see WWE going to file for some copyright stuff, what are you saying? Tom is Tom Brady. So in his, I want to be outside mode that he's going to find a role at WrestleMania 42, which takes place where a Legion Stadium in Las Vegas. Oh, come on. And that is a coincidence. And as Tom Brady, that guy, like, he was, he was like, so didn't want to do anything.

36:10Now he's like, Mr. outside. I know what. What would you say, Duncan? I would say I could see it. I'm doing it. Well, we've seen football players before, obviously Lawrence Taylor did it years ago. I don't see him actually wrestling though. I see like managing or something. No way. Here's the question. No, no, no. Come back. And don't answer this. Now, for a tease. For a tease. A tease. A tease. A tease. When you look at it from a percentage standpoint, all right, is it more of a drop reputation wise for Tom to do it? Or is it more of a rise in reputation for the WWE that Tom wants to do it? 1-800-919-377. It's very easy. I'm slightly offended by the question, but I'll answer on the other side. How dare you? Well, we don't have to have you answer it then. Well, no. The question's offensive. Whether I answer or not, the question itself is offensive. It's been asked. It's out there. It's floating in the universe. But why would he be offended by that? Not only that. Why is he making you look bad on your own show?

37:10Well, first of all, it's not my show. Good question. You just insulted. But all of us. Everybody. No. This is what we shouldn't be doing. How about you just play along? I've always been told. There's no such thing as dumb questions, just dumb people. Right. So Peter called me dumb. Get in the game with the college branded Venmo debit card. Record your team with every tap and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash, a new rewards program from Venmo. No monthly fee, no minimum balance, just school pride and spending power.

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39:14That's a hell of a game by the way now. It's easy to enter. Just shop or stop at Kalanger's bakery at 234 Bloomfield Avenue in Caldwell, New Jersey before April 7th to enter in person. Brought to you by Kalanger's bakery in Caldwell. Home of fresh bread, classic Italian pastries, and traditions bake daily. We're of course going to be there next Wednesday on the 18th. Not next week. I guess a couple of Wednesdays from now. And for the watch party for the Rangers in the Devils. So we're looking forward to that. So as last we left you, I and asked Peter from a credibility standpoint. Is it more of a drop that Tom Brady, maybe the greatest quarterback of all time is going to get involved in the WWE? Or is it something we look at where it just shows you how far WWE has come? Because when Lawrence Taylor did it was like people thought Lawrence Taylor was the gag. He's ruining his credibility by in WrestleMania. That was what like 30 years ago.

40:15I think it was 90s. It was after he was tired. He retired in 93. So it might have been 94. I was right after he had retired. 95 WrestleMania. Peter, a future WrestleMania. Was offended by the question. By the question. And he continues. Well, I mean, you asked a question. I didn't think where you were going to go was, do I think that it could be a bigger drop for his credibility? Then I don't think, I know I'm very biased here. But I'm sorry at this point, I don't think getting involved with WrestleMania. Unless you were like, I mean, if like some respected author or like, you know, I don't even know who would be the person who I'd say would have a credibility issue after doing WrestleMania. I mean, Tom Brady's not the biggest star to ever do WrestleMania. He wouldn't be right now. No, but you can make the case. He should be honored. He should be so honored. But that's obviously coming from a biased opinion of somebody that's involved in WrestleMania.

41:15You don't think there will be people. Of course there will. That will say. Yeah, Phil Mushnick. No, but not just Phil Mushnick. There will be people in New England, big Patriot fans that aren't wrestling fans going, Tom, don't do that. You're a seven time Super Bowl champion. What are you doing that for? I'm not saying it's right, but you can't say there aren't going to be people. They're going to judge him harshly. I included the fact that I think it's not going to be as big a deal because the WWE has not looked upon the way it was 30, 40 years ago. Fair. And so I asked the question to be offended by it, but there will be people that are really top right because you said there've been bigger celebrities. But is there ever been people that have been as good at something the way Tom Brady was good at football? I won't do this. I won't remind everybody that Muhammad Ali was involved in WrestleMania one. All right. Literally. So we're talking literally. I know we call Tom Brady the goat, but the one we know as the greatest was involved in WrestleMania one. Just to throw that out. But I don't think, but different time, but he also risked your time. He was also a boxer. He was also somebody that you were used to seeing in a ring.

42:15Fair. Boxing and wrestling. There's something. There's a lot of that. So it's underlips. That's right. No better example. Well, I mean, again, that was a movie, but still. No, it's confusing. I know a lot happened at that time. Let's get that poll right. But, but, uh, no, I hear your question, of course. I don't think it would do. If you are upset about Tom Brady being involved in WrestleMania, if that happens, that's the speculation today. I would say you should be more upset. Frankly, at him doing the yo yo flag football. That to me, because now you're messing with football. Like that's, that's you're going to play a football game against non football players after your career. And some football players, after you're for career. For a gigantic bag of cash. There was a, but the pretend that the amount of money matters though. Sure, but he'll get it. It's not like I guarantee if he's involved with WrestleMania, it won't be for free. Yeah, but I think the, but I think the Saudi Arabia thing was like 35 million dollars. Yeah. And the whole idea with that was that it would be this notion that you're trying to sell the game of football. Like you're doing something good when really all it is is a check.

43:15Right. So it's a money graph. We know what that's about. But there's a lot of money. This is for me. Brady doing this now is fun. It's fun. That's it. That's why I think it's more as personality. It's fun. It's that kind of a thing. Now again, I think though. Brady, Brady, first of all, he's an owner. I know it, but he's his. He's an owner. He's a major broadcaster now. There's this sense of him being like now that he's getting older, matured, and to be taken seriously. And then he's going to do something like this. And it's like, all right, now you go and grunk on this. But we have to know that Brady, throughout his career, was a lot of that. He was a lot of that behind the scenes. Yes, he was serious about preparation. Everything like that. But he's a lunatic. There's the famous video of him throwing the Lombardi trophy. I mean, he's a guy who's down for some fun. That's what I mean. So I don't think anything of it. I really... I would argue this, though, too. This is not Neil deGrasse Tyson, like doing something. You know what I mean? You name someone that would be a good person. This is Tom Brady.

44:15So he played sports. I'm with you on that. That's exactly what I was trying to articulate. And frankly, for me, Tom, for Tom Brady, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, I would have a bigger question mark about you chasing a huge bag to play in a silly, fougaisy football game. Then I would, for you deciding to be part of a... It may not be a real sport, we're aware. But a much more legitimate entertainment spectacle in WrestleMania. Like, there's no question about it to say whatever you want. WrestleMania is a gigantic, respected entertainment phenomenon. This football game that they're supposed to do in Saudi. We'll see if anyone even watches it. We don't even know. What if they made Oceans 14 and he was a character? Exactly. You're going to perform as an actor in something, essentially, that a lot of people are going to watch. Also, I found out, if you saw the information, but this year, on WrestleMania Saturday, the first hour is on ESPN 2, I believe. And WrestleMania Sunday, the first hour is on ESPN proper.

45:17So not only that, WrestleMania is on ESPN this year. Not just on ESPN Unlimited, on the TV. ESPN is all that. They're all... We know this. Yeah. Well, and also, this is a smart move, right? You're trying to get... If you're trying to get people to sign up for the Unlimited situation. Unlimited. Then what you do is you start WrestleMania done on free TV. So a Don LaGrecca, let's say, is out there. And it wouldn't be you. But another Don LaGrecca is like, I used to watch my brother. Oh, it's on for free TV. I mean, I'm going to see what it's on. And you actually end up being like, I'm kind of watching this now. How do I add up? It's just starting out. ESPN Plus for more. I'm hooked now. Well, that's what the hell is. That's a good point. If you remember when the NHL had the deal, and they still do it now with ABC and ESPN, but when they had NBC and the old versus... Like, they stay on the cover. They always made sure Game 1 was on NBC. Yeah. Yeah, people into it. And then games 2 and 3 would be on versus the rest of the blind. The go to versus. Right. Because that's what you did. That's actually pretty smart. Win some people over. Ah, listen. I thought it was a legitimate question. You didn't.

46:17Oh, no, no. I didn't say it was illegitimate. You were offended. Well, that doesn't mean it's illegitimate. Well, if you're offended, then you can... You could say something legitimately offensive. I just thought... That would be like saying that that was legitimately a bad question. No. You said you were offended. Alan. Does me being offended by the question mean I'm saying it's a bad question? I'm just saying I was offended by the question. But I don't understand the offense. Him saying, is it such a... You're offended as somebody who is in the world of wrestling as if it's still this sort of a mark on your life if you do something like this. Oh my God, he's doing wrestling. Yeah. Oh, that's what I resent. That's what I resent. You resent the fact that it's... Yeah. I know there are people who feel that way. Well, that's the point on making that imperative still out there. I'm asking the question, and the reason the question is legitimate because there are people beyond mushnik that look at wrestling as something that would soil the reputation of Tom Brady. You can't say I'm wrong. There will be a lot of people that would do that.

47:17But I think a lot less people than 30 years ago. For sure. Again, don't. I think you're still grabbing onto an old way of thinking by old people who aren't really... I'm grasping to a segment of the population that still exists. You should see the reaction when we have a wrestler on from people... I bet even the conversation right now is people getting in their panties in a bunch. There are people mad at you that you said that you were offended by my question. I'm mad that I'm offended, mad that we've talked about it this long. I mean, people do go crazy about that. I'm not looking at it from a wrestling angle. It's Tom Brady. We talk about Tom Brady. Paul in our chat says, Neil DeGrasse Tyson wrestled in school. Is that true? Probably is. Probably the old Roman Greco. Or Greco, I don't know. I don't know. You know what, Peter? Reach out. To Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Come on up. He loves doing media. I'm this young. He's never met a microphone. He loves him some him. He'll show up to the opening of a grand nude. He's smart, man, too, buddy. Yeah, he likes to chat. Why not reach out? You know, when speaking of wrestling, the Roman Greco, as you just called it, I think,

48:18I'm not interested in either. So I, Roman and wrestling, you know what I'm like for a Roman. It's what is one of my favorite things that I've said this in the show before. But I love what I mentioned that I'm involved in wrestling in some way or I love wrestling. And, and, and people who don't know me just naturally go to, oh, professional wrestling. Oh, no, no, no, not that. I like to go around to local gymnasium. So watch the high school kids get into a singlet and map each other. Right. What are you talking? Stop asking people that. And you know what? Do you have a five at state to ask the kids? And you know what? And do a little table and share. Yeah. If you were my assistant coach, that would send up a red flag I'd investigate. Find out what's going on. What do you mean if I said that? Yes. If I was a, I know I'm just into watching the amateur wrestling. I would hire a private investor. You guys should stop asking, when you say you, like, wrestling, professional? No, no, no. Amateur. I like the amateur College. Those are my favorites. It's not just about the elite doing. You're kitchen creep. I don't have a shot. I have a Dan Gable poster on my wall. All I do is watch the amateur wrestling. But if you had a son that wrestled, sure, well then you go. Yeah, was it vision quest? Yes, that's a great. That was I'm saying that was wasn't that a wrestling

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