Do You Care That David Njoku Visited With the Ravens?

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1:02But you must answer two questions within two seconds. Each and a way you go to the fun and frivolity of Mr. Hero. Okay. Dave and the joke who met with the Ravens yesterday, immediately the question came in. Because somebody, I forget who it was. And they sent us a they sent us a tweet. Oh, and what are the social media reactions brought to you by? Shive and jillers Cleveland's premier jewelry store. And he had said it. I wish I could tell him because it was a telling way and a leaping off point here. Where it said like it was both of us. And he's like, man, you guys are right. Like this is nothing but a job to them. And I thought, well, I don't think it's an indictment on the fans. But I think a job is a job. You can only do this for so long. And I go, man, if he does sign with the Ravens. Like I heard a couple of other shows yesterday. And they were kind of going after the Ravens for signing them or anything like that. I'm going, well, he's a quality tight end. I think that some of his. I think we were always waiting for a top end for him to to emerge that never emerged. Whether it be because I think quarterback plays a major issue.

2:05I think injury was a major issue with him. There were a couple of drops here and there, obviously. But I thought he got better as time went on. I remember he started here as a 20 year old coming out of Miami. So he was just a pop when he started here. So there's a lot of things that ended in there. But I thought it was all in all pretty successful career with the Browns. And I thought he was, and I know that he asked for a trade place. But he's always with the fans. I got no, I got nothing against David and Joku. And I will have nothing against David and Joku if he signs with the Baltimore Ravens. I don't want to have happened. And I don't think it will. I think that the fan bases in a different place than what it was 10 years ago. I don't want to have happened. What happened with Joe Hayden? They cut Joe Hayden. Joe Hayden's free to sign anywhere he wants. Anywhere he wants. And I got to deal with it. So if he signs with the Steelers, I deal with it just like Joe Hayden did. If he signs with the Ravens, I got to deal with it. Well, I think it's a good indication of how you use the Browns fault for the nine years. It seemed wasted. It's a bigger indication of how you feel about David and Joku, whether or not you're worried about whether he signs with a team you have to play twice a year.

3:06That's, that's the end all. Because when they're wearing Browns uniforms, we play these guys up. We talk them up. I mean, in year two, he had 639 yards, he had four touchdowns. And people were talking about him as if he was going to be one of the top three tight ends of the NFL. Yes, that never got close to materializing. He was always kind of comfortably what? Like 10th, 9th, and that was the whole career. He didn't really get better at best at best, right? And then by the end, let's be honest. And you know, people did not love when they don't love when radio hosts talk about the physics of world class athletes. I don't know why not. I know why. What the heck? But the reality was anybody could see it. David and Joku's body did not look like David and Joku's body early in his career. Did not look like it. It looked like he gained 20 pounds. I mean, it didn't. You know, Jermaine Wiggins had a gut. He had a great career. Well, and I know and Pittsburgh has a tight end that's 325 pounds that sprints down the field. I know Washington's fantastic titles, everyone.

4:07Yes, yeah. So and I think we beat them at the end of the year because he probably was injured. It was, he was like their whole offense. But all I'm saying is you could see his body kind of transformed as he got white because, you know, you get banged up over time. He was a specimen when he came into the league. He was just something else like you're like, holy cow, they don't build a lot of tight ends like this. And then by the end, you know, wasn't the same, David and Joku. He seemed like he was stuck in mud like those white, those tight end screenplays. They did not have a chance to work like they did earlier in his career. All of a sudden, it's like, well, it seems like five guys are around him. Yeah, five guys were around him early in his career. He knew how to get out of it yet explosiveness. Yeah. I'm not, so you're not, it's not like I'm not afraid. Like my, my bronze issues are still like, you got to get going as a team first. I go back to the history. Like, I just, unless he says, now there's a couple caveats here. If he says a bunch of bleep views on his way to Baltimore, which he won't do, but as brothers running a business here in North East Ohio, like, no, I don't think he's going

5:08to, he's going to do that. I think there's extenuating circumstances. You know, if he says he has problems with the fans, if he says he has problems with, with the way it was treated by the fans or something like that, I, I don't know. I don't, I don't see him doing that. If he did, then I changed my tune about it. Can he even had asked for a trade? And that's how, two times, that's right. Two times. That's how beloved he was that fans did not hold that against him the way they did like miles again. And I had to interview him the same day. He asked for a trade one day. And it was pretty awkward, but he did a professional job as best as he could. And I always appreciated that about David. Um, I, I still look back when it comes to all these guys. Like, why teller just signed with the Houston Texans? And he spent a long time here with the Cleveland Browns. He did a fine job here with the Cleveland Browns. If what the Browns replace him with is worse, I'm critical of the Browns. If what the Browns replace him with is better than I have to look at and go, I like Wyatt a lot. Obviously, everybody knows he's friends with us. But at the same time, maybe it was for the, I have to give Andrew Berry credit if it was for

6:08the best. If the Browns with Harold Fanon and they probably would need another wide receiver, I know they just got Jack Stahl, but he's more of a blocking guy. So I said, I mean, tight end. If they need another tight end, they bring him in all of a sudden. You got two tight ends. It looked really, really nice the way that other teams have done. I could sit there and go, David and Jokou did his best. He could for while he was here, but the Browns had to move on. And I look back at the last nine years and I say, that's on the Browns. That's not necessarily on David and Jokou all the way. So I have to look back and say, why did the Browns not be able to do this? Like, we've contemplated all the time. And because of that trade, this is where, and you know where I'm going with this. As of right now, this is where the Baker fans all have it. Is that no matter what we say, had you been able to calm your heads, and I'm Baker too, if you would have been able to get them back in the table and say, hey, like, hey, let's, let's work something out here. Let's do this. Had you been able to do it? And even if it were still to work out the way it is, where it's like, hey,

7:11you can get to a divisional round, but you're not getting past XYZ when it comes to the quarterbacks in the FC, it's still better than what we've argued about. Because that move has changed the course of time where you've had good football players here. I think that's one of the most frustrating things for a lot of Browns fans. Choose me. It probably is the most frustrating thing. Where before it's like, you guys have no talent. And I'm looking at the last six, seven, eight years ago. You had talent in 2016 and 17. You had very little if any, no offense, because I know a couple of guys still live here, but we all know the score. You had very little if any, you set yourself up. You've had talented players. You've had legitimate pro bowl wide receivers back when a pro bowl actually matters, all pro caliber wide receivers, all the pro bowl caliber tight ends. One of the best offensive lines in football for a long period of time up until this last couple of years, you had talent on that team. And what makes it sad is that the most you have to show for it is one division around appearance.

8:11With a quarterback that we bickered about for years. And he's not out of the woods down there in Tampa Bay. But it's still better than what we have to argue about right now. Like that's the thing I go, how do I learn from this and go, David, a joke, we had a good time here. What's up? It's Draymond Green back from my 14th NBA season and the new season of my podcast. The Draymond Green show. I'm filtered takes real hoop talk and big time guests. There's no holding back on the court or on the mic. Follow the Draymond Green show wherever you get your podcast. Hi, David. Why it had a good time here? A lot of great memories. Could buy the white. We're going to say buy it more people as time goes on. How do we not repeat that same state with either Shador or QBX that's going to come out of the draft going, Hey, man, if we're seeing the way QB play is around this league, it's not all going to be peaches and ice cream. Whoever you have here over the next couple of years, like I guarantee you, even if you got number one overall, we're still I'm willing to bet.

9:12We're still going to have some really serious arguments about whoever that quarterback is. Even if he's good tone, even if he's one of the better ones. Yeah, and I would just say this one final thing for me is that he ended up playing realize 500 stamps last year for the joku. So even if it wasn't the most productive 500 snaps of all time, he could be relied upon to do a lot of things. Now, that was in a Stephansky offense, so keep that in mind as well. But you saw how Tom Munkin used his tight ends over time with the Ravens. So there is something they've got to replace. I don't think it's going to be like the most difficult task of all time. I'm not trying to make it seem like the joku is irreplaceable, you know, especially what I saw last year. It's a very interesting guy to talk about because very few guys played for the Browns as long as he did. 216474 to below 92. I throughout that number because I need science teachers to call in. Why man, I had a very lot argument on the phone yesterday over the meteor yesterday. And what it actually could have done to us. So I need to ask some science teachers here because I'm still in the dark.

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