BOMBSHELL: Mysterious Whistleblower Reveals Face, Identity & UFO Material

0:00All right, veterans. Patrick, special guests in the House, G-now. We got a lot to cover. Time stamps down below. Let's get started. I mentioned Lakom, the character of Lakom. I should explain to our listeners who are maybe younger than us. It's the French scientist character in Steven Spielberg's Closing Counters of the Third Kind, which is modeled after you and your life. And Lakom in that movie and his team are trying to get their head around this mystery of what seemed to be ET's from other planets. The one last thing that people remember from your work and your book is, all right, they may be alien to us, but not necessarily ET's, right? And that's still where you are. Does anybody know for sure what they are? You're touching on something that concerns me and I want to hear what you think about that. You know, suppose we disclose that we have biologics. We show, and I think at this point,

1:07they are looking at slides of tissue that we've had for, you know, 30 years or more, that they are, I believe, but I'm not breaching any great secret because I have not been cleared for any of that, but I certainly trust the people who say that there are bodies that have been recovered. All right, so, do you know what are your thoughts? A good amount to unpack there. He mentioned biologics and slides. He also mentioned bodies. Now, I had previously thought that Jack Vallet had knowledge of bodies, but right now, his story in that clip is that he believes people who have seen bodies. That's what I picked up from that. Yeah.

2:11But didn't you say before we started rolling, you thought Jack Vallet had already seen bodies. That's how I felt. I felt that he had already seen bodies, so this was a strange turn. For me, I mean, I could be wrong. I don't remember Jack Vallet ever seeing bodies, but with that said, I could be wrong. I'm not a Jack Vallet expert, so that could be part of his story. What I thought was interesting was the slides. Now, he says, suppose we disclose, right? And you would think, okay, because we were talking earlier about this, you think that means, this is a thought experiment. But that's the way the claim that could always be made. He told that story as if not suppose we did it, like we have this stuff, and the suppose could be interpreted in two different ways. He could be saying, hey, we have all this stuff. So suppose

3:15we let it out. That's what I got at. That's what I was going to say. He says suppose we disclose, meaning like, imagine a time when we disclose the things we actually have. And then he goes on to kind of tangent, like we all do, and say, you know, I think right now what we have are these slides with biologic. So I don't think that's part of the thought experiment. I think he's saying that as fact, at least how he knows it. And if I'm, I cover this all the time, I don't remember Jack Vallet ever saying that. I don't remember him ever talking about slides, because we've heard biologic David grush this and that. And everyone's always wondered, what do they mean by that? Why not just say bodies? Why would you? Because you also say bodies. So if you also use biologic, now I'm confused. But here's a kind of, in my opinion, reveals what it's always been, which are these slides with something on it that they study. And he's saying for about 30 years, that's interesting. What does that mean? And what? And what's on the slide? Like where did they get it from? Right. It's implied, of course, that it's not human. Correct. It's implied on the

4:17slides. And I wouldn't clarify one thing about the bodies. It wasn't that I thought that Jack Vallet had seen alien bodies. But I thought that he had knowledge of alien bodies. When I watched him talk at contact and does he was talking about how they were developing, I was trying to develop a language with a live alien. So yeah, oh yeah. Where's the knowledge come from? So I thought he had already had not like actual knowledge of it, not saying, well, I believe the people who are saying this. That's, it's a little different than official knowledge. Yeah, no good point. Good clarification. We're being asked to hand over more and more personal information just to use the internet. Most people turn to a VPN for protection, but use the catch with traditional VPNs. They can still see both who you are and every single site you visit. They're essentially trusting them not to leak or share that data. That's why I've been using Obscura VPN. Obscura is built differently. Cryptographically, it physically cannot link your identity to your internet activity. So there's

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6:26group know where to look? I don't know. Steven Miller is doing that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say something, but yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating. It's interesting. Bye, puppy. Okay, so that's a new clip you may or may not have seen. That is Nancy Mace on Capitol Hill speaking to Matt Laslow with Ask a Pole. Please go support Ask a Ball if you're not already. By the way, independent journalism, the only journalist in Washington, DC literally there on the Hill asking about UAP, literally the only one. So please support him. I got three things from this Nancy Mace thing. One, things that she has seen has not been released yet. Right? Two, she desires for people to see the things she sees. She thinks it should go out. And three was Steven Miller. She was not aware that Steven Miller is looking into this. And apparently, Steven Miller is very much into this. So that's kind of interesting that she hasn't heard that.

7:27Yeah. I don't know. What do you think? I agree. It should be it should be just general information that you would think that that all the politicians would be talking about this. Especially if you saw something and then had a, you know, peak your interest. She wants to have everyone see what she saw. So does that mean in her mind, she has determined what she saw and that's what everyone should see. Or in her mind, she's seen something and she doesn't know what it is. So she just wants to all of us to see it. So we could all figure it out. Yeah. I don't know. Let me know what you think down in the comments. And let's move on. We've got another Ask a Polk clip. This is with Tim Birchett, our favorite Tennessee lawmaker. The rumor that we're getting some big UAP news. Fake UAP news. No big. Big. Oh. Earth moving. Yeah. I say that, but I, I'm not going to believe it until I see it, brother. We get those leaks a lot and then some of them bear a little fruit and some of them don't. So I'm

8:31just going to wait. Hold my opinion until I see it. I hear you guys are working a lot with Stephen Miller and then also this FBI. Yeah. They've been very cooperative. Stephen Miller has put it on priority. He's actually assigned people to it. So I think that shows that he goes to the highest levels. I got it. And I hear the FBI is, do you feel like the FBI is being honest? From the ask for a day. Well, okay. Do you feel like the FBI is being honest partners in this? I don't know. In the past they haven't, but there's a new chief in the White House. So let's see what happens. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised. What should folks expect next? I just want to encourage. I'm tired of it. I wanted to come clean with everything, but I realized that's not the way this place works. I'm afraid I'm just going to be disappointed. I'm not going to get my hopes up. Yeah, but I'm going to be put in. Yes, sir. Have a good one.

9:31First off, I want to say that Ask a Poles editing has got much better. The sound quality has got much better in their videos and they're watermarked, which is smart. And they've added subtitles. Great job, Matt. Great job, Ask a Poles. Anyway, so this is interesting. Tim Berchett, a lot of things to talk about here. If you ask me, I could do a whole podcast on just what I just saw there. I'm being honest, his reaction to things, but just to connect dots from the last clip real quick and Steve Emile. He talks about Steve Emile and how it's a priority for him. He's put people on it. They're working on it. So again, I just going back to the Nancy Mays. They just found that interesting that she working with Steve Emile. And it's a priority and she's not. And she's a UAP person like when Steve and Abil, Hey, you want to jump in on this? You've helped before. What do you know? Get us it. Anyway, Tim Berchett seems so deflated there. I was going to use the same exact word. And actually for both of them, because she was excited to see something. Well,

10:38she must be deflated because she doesn't care enough to seek out Steven Miller. She doesn't care she's seen something she wants us all to see it, but she doesn't care enough to to continue to pull that thread. Now what I what I saw from Berchett, which was so sad to see at the end was he's just like every one of us going, Hey, I'm doing everything I can here, but I don't know if we're ever going to see anything. I'm he was it's he was as frustrated as every one of us in the community. It felt relatable. Yeah, every time the trotches come out. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I agree, you know, it felt so relatable. Like I'm there too. Many of y'all that watch Bettid are there as well. And you can sense his frustrations sense his frustrations with this. So. And he didn't say anything like Nancy May said. What do you mean? He didn't say it. I seen this this amazing thing. Everyone's got to see he was just there like, Hey, things come out. Where's the proof?

11:39Nothing. Yeah. Where's the proof? He's again, as disappointed as every one of us has been with whatever the early parts of this disclosure is the hearings, the trotches. I mean, he has access to David Rush through Burleson. So he's obviously not getting information that he's excited about. He's not doing anything. If you notice, he said, I'll wait and see what right like he's he didn't involve himself in any future sort of proactive measures, right? It was like, I'll just wait and see what happens, right? We wait and see what that's what we say, right? You're the one that's you need to be out there, but he clearly has gotten put through the me grinder deflated. Totally out of it now. And you can just sense his, you know, frustration. Yeah. So. All right. And he I'm ready to move on. And still he's, you know, he's my that makes him more

12:39of my champion and and just see him frustrated as those because we know how he does feel about this and that he has a passion for it. And he's hidden, you know, roadblocks every, every which way. So when we say deflated, it's not even a dig on him as a pilot. Oh, no, no, not a dig. You know, he's real. I said, it's relatable. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. Take a look at this headline from this article exclusive new UFO whistleblower unmasked. Whistling Mike reveals his identity and his plans to present his UAP findings next month. Now, what we're going to focus on is this first part, which is Whistling Mike unmasking himself and coming out Whistling Mike is someone who's known in the community. I've actually had him on the podcast. And I've got a clip that I'm going to show to give you a little backstory on him. I had him on a long time ago. He remained anonymous. And now he is coming out and he's revealed his name. So we're going to go over that and go over

13:42this article. Go over this very fascinating story from him. And just see, you know, what it's about. So look, first thing I'm going to do before we read this article, let me play you this clip from an old vetted video. Again, an interview that I did with Mike. So you can kind of get to know a little bit of who he is before we jump in. There's Patrick here with vetted today. I have a very special episode for you because today I have an interview to share an interview with someone who up till now has remained anonymous and unfortunately, this interview will remain anonymous as well, except with one stipulation, what you'll hear about at the very end of the interview. So this could be part one of part two or it couldn't hear. Now, you may be wondering, what are you talking about, Patrick? Well, talking about this from our deputy director of Aero, Tim Phillips went on Mick

14:43West podcast not too long ago. And in that podcast, he talked about someone who essentially tried to extort the US government of UAP materials and described them as basically a crackpot who he wouldn't bring his family around. I was frustrated by some of the claims made by Wendell Says to members of Congress. I know that we had people refer to us. One protector individual, we thought he was extorting us. We were going to pay him for his knowledge or his materials and he was going to take it to a foreign country. It sounded like it's sourcing to us and reporting it to our FBI counterparts. And by the way, we actually had at various times, FBI agents or analysts who are part of the Aero staff. So we did work very, very closely with the FBI.

15:46That was some physical material that he had that. It was. It was. And I actually went back to members of this member staff saying they should protect the member from this individual. It wasn't fair to him to give him an audience. I am not a medical professional. But what I heard based off common sense, I wouldn't want him around my family. Well, the person he was talking about, nobody is known who that is until now. And this is his very first public interview. He goes by the pseudonym Michael. And the things he had to say in this interview, if true, are absolutely mind shattering. The rumor I've heard is that you and maybe a group filmed something back in the early 2000s. And also that you, somebody took a rock and threw it at it

16:48in a piece fell off and you collected it. That's the rumor floating around. Just to play is that is that how true is that? So like all rumors, there's some truth in there. So I'm going to go into some things I haven't mentioned before, but are vitally important to what people need to know about what's going on. One is that SSCI and Aero don't give a shit about your UFO stories. There's a lot of other things going on. And I know people don't like the secrets, but there are things that were said and happened in that skiff that if it was to get out, it would ruin people's career. As soon as they run around the corner, that staff member took the folder, he came over the guy I was seeing next to who was a high up, asked him what to do with it. And that guy literally said, put in the trash. And he went and put in the trash, then the guy said, that didn't look good, put it through the shredder. The shredder, the fuck it thing. Never made it to the senator. This is your bombshell. All right. Senator rounds talks a lot about me, but people don't understand that

17:55because they don't know who I am. They don't know what I told them. I was told that literally everything he says in the new age of disclosure film, just for me and him, is relationship over two years. I got the guy so full. All right. So now that you better understand who Mike is, right? Again, using Michael in this video, but he goes by whistling Mike online. So again, he's come out, he's revealed his identity and he's revealed more about that story, essentially the one where they threw a rock at this craft that they saw in a piece fell off. Right? Well, I've got a photograph of this piece of material and we're going to get into it. So let's take a look at this rock first. Okay. So you can see it here on the screen. And it says this rock allegedly made of material used in a super advanced aircraft sat for months in a safe controlled by the Senate Intelligence Committee according to three people familiar with the matter. All right. So let's get a closer look at this.

18:57There you go. This rock used in a super advanced aircraft. Now I don't know about you, but that just looks like volcanic rock. What do you think, Jino? Right? Doesn't that just look like volcanic rock? Like get it home depot? Yeah. You wouldn't look at that and go, this is a piece of technology. That's yeah. So I know part of his story is he threw a rock and it broke off a piece. Yeah. That looks like the rock he was threw more than the the rock the piece that would come off the aircraft. Right. But you know, of course, I'm sure they double checked with him before they put this up in the article. So if that is a piece of technology, they're saying it was in Congress. So if that is a piece of technology, it certainly doesn't look like it. But this is all beyond our thought. You know, what we think of as what we know about technology. Now it's interesting because the stipulation is it's allegedly made of material used in a super advanced aircraft.

20:03So if you read that correctly, it doesn't say that this is this piece directly is from the advanced aircraft. Does that make sense? Right. I'm just now reading that and just now noticing that myself. It's leaving it a way out. It's saying this represents material that's on the aircraft. Not necessarily this is the material. So they're saying that he's trying to say that there's aircraft made of this sort of volcanic rock material. But again, you heard me ask him in the interview and you can check out the interview yourself with Michael where I say about throwing a rock at the thing and a piece fell off and he says there's some truth to that. Right. He doesn't say that's all fake. Right. It's a lot of truth. Yeah. And if you go listen to the interview, you can hear him explain the whole process, but something does get thrown. Right. And so they collected a piece from the craft is how I've always understood the story at bare minimum. But let's get into the into the article because the story is kind of changing. Now that could be there could be a totally

21:07reasonable explanation. All right. So let's read the article and find out who whistling Mike is. A few months after several members of the Senate Intelligence Committee proposed the UAP Disclosure Act in 2023, the committee came into possession of a dark dense porous rock, according to three people familiar with the episode who said the committee stored the object in a safe inside the heart Senate office building. If the owner of the rock, a man known in UFO circles by the pseudonym whistling Mike is to be believed the object has the potential to help explain a large number of UFO sightings and to rewrite the history of aviation. Now Mike is revealing his identity exclusively to paradigm as Wichita area businessman Michael Spicer and laying out his plans to present his findings next month in Colorado. According to Spicer, he encountered a quiet dark, roughly triangular fighter jet-sized craft hovering low to the ground over public landing Kansas one night in the early 2000s. Now I I remember this part of the story too that he

22:13told Spicer says he retrieved a piece that came off the craft and spent the intervening decades reverse engineering the craft's technology in creating a system to detect it. Now that's very important. That's a big crux of this Mike story is that that he created the system to detect that material and was trying to then sell it back to the government. That's the thing. He tells paradigm that he has concluded the craft is US made and relies on a revolutionary method of propulsion. He declined to detail his conclusions about that method but he described it as roughly analogous to magnetism. He said the material in the rock was integral not only to the craft's stealth capabilities but to its power source and means of steering. That's interesting right? The steering part. So okay, ask about the rock Spicer said it was a piece of raw material. He mined after determining it was one of the inputs of the advanced craft he encountered. Now this is

23:16what I don't understand again exactly. This is what I don't understand. Asked about the rock. Spicer said it was a piece of raw material. He mined right? He's saying a piece of raw material he mined does that sound like a from the site like from the ground in the site? Exactly. I don't know. There's no explanation and what I thought I thought that was the piece that came off the aircraft. Why are you mining a piece? That's what I don't get about this. It's a little confusing. Okay. And I'm sure maybe there's a reasonable explanation and I could explain it and no problem. But I thought that was different. So mind after determining it was one of the inputs of the advanced craft he encountered. Okay, so now granted this does go back to the to the picture they showed of the rock and the little underlying message about it. Right? It was leading you to believe this is not a piece from the craft itself. This is a piece that is like what you use in the craft.

24:17So that kind of I don't know. He declined to name the material but confirmed that he presented it to committee members and staff during a 2023 meeting in which he briefed them on his findings inside the committee's secure facility in heart. Spicer confirmed that he asked for the rock back in early 2025 a former Marco Rubio aid on the committee John Estridge who had by then left the Senate retrieve the rock. He then passed it on to Dylan Guthrie a former Senate aid to John Kerry who then returned it to Spicer. So basically I just go on you know whatever his claims this and that. The whole point is that Mike is now out Michael Spicer right and the big thing that's coming from this that they announced is it in October they're having an event in Colorado where Whistling Mike Michael Spicer aka Michael Spicer is going to present the same PowerPoint presentation he would present in skiffs about UAP the rock advance aircraft all of that

25:18they're going to present that publicly in October. So that's the big announcement from this basically. I understand that but and maybe I just don't understand the political process once it's in the skiff isn't it classified. I don't know I don't know how it works okay to be honest with you I don't know how it works but that's what I heard Mike say in a x-base that he's going to put the same thing he shows right to people in skiff you're going to get to see it he said you're going to get to see the same thing if you show up in person to this event you know I'm all the rock be there to for analysis. I don't know I don't know if the rock will be there in person I'm still confused on the rock anymore any more answers on the rock a little bit because I'm a little confused on is this the rock from the aircraft is this something else the resembles the aircraft like what's what's the changes are there two rocks. All right and now like if the craft was hovering there and he's saying he mind it maybe the craft needs to interact with that kind of rock and that's why he's

26:20saying that it's part of the advanced. I don't know but I look forward to finding out what happens. I mean I'd be curious to see this power-per-resonation to be honest with you. You know Mike's always been cool with me I talked to him here and there obviously I did the interview he hadn't that was his first interview public interview I believe and he's always been cool so you know I wait and see what happens. Many of the rocks have been used in technology. Horts are on every watch. Sure. You know even Horts without batteries were running watches by lining them. Yeah. So it's interesting that that's how I'm looking at what if that's a piece that comes out of it like slag or whatever they call it does that make sense it does make sense in the Mori Island incident. They said that about the UFOs they would leave slag the UFO one was looking like it was going to crash into into the water and it started throwing over it's a black like a molten black ooze you know

27:31and then as it cooled down that's when the the witness was able to take it and give it to the air force he gave it to the air force the air force tried the flight back to DC and the plane blew up. Mori Island incident interesting one. Wow okay all right well that's enough on that yeah we can talk more of that so anyway let us know what you think down the comments all right let's move on to the next part Hollywood actor Thomas Jane who you may know from the mist he was in Marvel's the Punisher he's literally the Punisher he was also in a great show called hung and you may remember him most recently from the expanse Thomas Jane right so he went on Chris Ramsey show Area 52 and he talked about his personal experience for the first time and we're going to go over that because it's very interesting. So I got to take this jacket off. Just get the hot in here yeah

28:37yeah okay so 2011. 2011 man. All right so again I'm about ready to show you a clip where he just explains his entire experience here by I just love the dramatic entrance to the story with Krezy takes Thomas Jack is getting hot in here now let's get into this right this moment that again he's never spoken about before publicly and I will say this this is the most unique I wouldn't say it's most unique it's it's a unique meaning I've never heard this kind of story before it's a very unique experience story I've just never heard a story like this before so he tells a very unique NHI alien experience he uses the word alien that's him so this is a sort of unique alien experience

29:38so get prepared and I'm reading my book and out of the top of my eye I see a fuzz a fuzz ball ball of fuzz maybe the size of a um baseball and it's fuzzy and I'm looking at it and going that's like an out of focus spot what the fuck is that and then the spot starts getting bigger and it starts leaving the wall and floating through the air as this moving ball of fuzz and as it gets closer to me it starts to resolve into these three shapes they're about maybe the size of a large dinner plate each of them maybe like that big so there so there'd be like these three

30:42butterflies shapes without a head it was like a snow angel if you made a snow angel in the snow these things that look like that just like that nurse three of them the middle one its wings are connected to the two outer ones and this this this this thing is coming towards me and I'm thinking I'm gonna die this is what happens this is what happens when you die fuck this is really bad and this these things starts coming down and I have a coffee table that runs this way and I see that these butterflies are made out of like laser thread green thread red thread and then green and then red they're maybe a quarter inch apart so they're the outline of these three butterflies uh and in the center is this little baby butterfly in each center and in those centers the two threads one green one blue one red are forming geometric patterns

31:51in them in the middle and the each middle is different so there's each core is forming three different geometric shapes the shape would last for about half a second and then change and then the little threads would start weaving again and then they'd form another perfect geometrical shape that I'd never seen before in my life they weren't like triangles they were like complex geometrical mathematical symbols in each one three of them all going at once at different times and I'm thinking obviously that these are what happens is to come and and take me away and I have all I feel is terror 100% unbridled fear is running through me I'm not jumping up I'm not running outside I'm not yelling I'm frozen in fear and these things they stop and they hover

32:58over my coffee table and they just sit there and they're blasting out these alien geometries and I'm panicking and nothing nothing happens they just sit there they're just sitting there and I'm laying like this and looking at these damn things and I'm just sweating and absolutely terrified frozen in fear and you know it was only later like days later that I was like what the fuck was I doing you know why didn't I like you know like do something swap them away or yell at them or you know like all the things that you would normally do I didn't do any of that stuff and we just sat there for for a while and then they started moving towards me and I the panic shot through me again I freak out and they've stopped and they backed off I don't know what the

34:00fuck is going on what are you guys doing what the fuck are you and what the fuck is happening and then my heartbeat would start slowing down because they weren't doing anything they're just sitting there so eventually I was my breathing would kind of return to normal and then they'd start creeping forward again and then I would panic again and then they would back off again and this maybe took 45 minutes of this that's such a long time it's beyond a long time whoa we think you know that was uh three crazy butterflies yeah it's an interesting story um I feel like I've had a similar experience to this back in the 90s in New York City at the Hayden Planetarium for laser Floyd right in front of me so uh it's really interesting that he felt like it was an alien experience um and it's one of the things that I I think I categorized it

35:05earlier I said it sounds like he was just receiving a message more than interact interacting with an alien I don't know if that that it could have been sentient but I don't know if I would call that alien I mean I would call it NHI um but also that could have been controlled by a different NHI could have just been a messenger type of situation rather than a being um yeah that's fair um and I've seen the whole clip I've seen the entire clip I've seen him tell the whole story Gino hasn't seen the rest of it uh now there's not really more to it in the sense that he has this interaction I gave you the the meat of it but there is definitely more I highly recommend going to check out the full interview with Thomas and you can hear this full story it's probably like 20 there's probably been 30 minutes on uh and basically the gist of it is that he says you know he has experience with the with the butterflies um they kind of keep coming at him keep

36:06coming at him then there is another part that I didn't play that you'll have to go watch but he says that the um butterflies didn't come into his brain like come flying up and too many closes his eyes but when they get really close right like like they're just there and he closes his eyes they get inside they start elongating and you know messing with them and then he says he kind of just fades out like you know like when you go to sleep you don't really remember the moment you went to sleep right like that like he just and all of a sudden woke up and was about ready to get into bed so it was kind of funny he woke up and then went to sleep that's kind of an interesting thing so but he doesn't think he got abducted he doesn't know what happened he says he didn't receive a download or anything or any new information not that he's aware of and he's just out looking for answers now what does that mean now you're right he calls it alien he does say alien and you're right that is kind of interesting um what about that experience as alien and I've listened to the whole thing I there's nothing in there that would lead me to believe alien otherworldly or

37:12something else like you said what you were saying things like that yeah um so I don't know it's interesting now there's another part here that I'm gonna show um he draws what this looks like so Chris Ramsey gives him a patent paper hey can you draw this for me you know when it looks like so let's take a look at what um Thomas is you know his recreation he's not an artist so let's give him some leeway here but he's gonna draw on a paper what he saw what these butterflies were so let's take a look could you draw what the being look like just so I can show the audience give him a loose idea of of perhaps you

38:15you just have to imagine that there's three of these yeah let's go help make it off basically take these guys this is off that's okay to really concentric lines alternating one red thread one green thread laser thin like threads like threads made a laser were they physical or did you see through them they were physically couldn't see through the threads right so they were they were like dense they had a density to them whoa laser quality to them definitely they were glowing threads like wow

39:17and green and red too that that's got to be such a strange visual distortion seeing threads so closely together like some illusion like how many would you say of these threads in sort of in this concentric pattern I would just be guessing but hundreds or dozens yeah yeah I would you know I would just be guessing you could count them if you had to for you had to count them yeah that there may be um anywhere between 50 and 75 okay yeah a lot yeah but a limit you know a lot but not infinite I mean it's basically as many threads as each one was about that big you know in the center would have been the uh the little baby dude baby butterfly and that's where the the little shapes

40:23if you had to draw the shape just the shape like one shape in particular that you might have seen is there any way that you could there's like a it's like a tesseract essentially like a like a fourth-dimensional object depicted in three dimensions or something only lasted for um uh maybe let let maybe a half a second you know it would be frozen in space the image sorry the the image would be frozen in space for half a second really and then the and then the threads would disentangle they'd start whipping around each other and then they'd freeze again uh with another brand new shape how strange is the general idea like was that do you think I mean you've probably contemplated this in so many ways it must be so frustrating to an extent because you're not given any clear answers and all you can do is sort of impose your own anthropomorphic

41:28view on it like are they communicating with each other are they trying to communicate with you are they are they talking is this even a language is it random is it well it wasn't random yeah I mean it was really specific whatever the hell they were and I never saw the same shape twice really yeah so you know in a language you'd think that there'd be some sort of the word addition comes back or something yeah yeah never saw the same one twice and uh no the the middle of the damn thing would have been something like this you know sort of a and then the two threads you know one would come in this way and the other would come in that like they were weaving something like a spider that's right just like a spider and it was like creating yeah a symbol and then there would be this you know this it was weird little architect incredible architecture inside this thing that would be you know with the hell they were

42:36can't can't yeah no yeah I mean I wouldn't know where to begin either but that's thank you that's fascinating all right so you saw him draw this thing out what do you think you know it's really interesting it goes back to what I was saying earlier as was there some sort of communication trying to be had Chris pointed that out you know I think that's interesting that this geometric shapes that that he was talking about that we got to see the drawing because when he was saying that I was picturing like Chris had a tesseract or something with a lot of right angles but the way he's describing it is these things are weaving together almost like a spider web so and the way he drew it was wavy lines more than anything else not just around it but inside inside the circle so again it sounds to me like it was some sort of communication um you know uh people have gotten supposed to downloads of sacred geometry so I think that's you know an

43:43interesting part that maybe he was meant to see these shapes which had never duplicated in case he ever sees that shape again you know where would you see that shape again yeah that's an interesting thought if he was meant to see the shapes later you know what I was also thinking as he said well it didn't repeat so he didn't think it was a language or anything what if they were giving him the alphabet you wouldn't repeat right right so I don't know but he clearly can't remember the the shapes but the idea that maybe if he if he saw it he'd recognize it that's probably true right so that's interesting um thought yeah it kind of looks like one of those things in a coloring book where you color each that's what it looked like you color each area different color you know it just went out um I don't know I mean that's an interesting experience you know I've just never heard of someone talking about three butterflies coming he thinks they're alien they go inside his head the red and green is interesting those are like prism colors so that's interesting was there like a reflection on something that he but he he said during this interview you know um he's

44:47well I don't know if they stayed it like outright that he was sober this night um I'm not sure if they did stay that out right now he did say he in this interview he does claim that he tried DMT and some other things hasn't learned anything yet from his experience you know about this particular experience from it um but that would be interesting to find out if he what explicitly if he was sober I think he was the way he was describing the story he's just trying to get to sleep um and wander down reading a book on a coffee table the living room who hasn't done something similar or that exact thing and then just looks up and sees some dust ball that turns into this thing a dust ball with light going through it confused but how would you be confused about butterfly you know that just seems like a lot so it seems very genuine he's got a lot of detail um I mean he sat with these things for an hour and a half which is crazy to me like you would just sit there staring at him like you know what I mean that's just such a weird thing to do to not get up and like walk around and look at it make sure it's there like I just as such a long time

45:51right but he did say that he was in a sort of like a trance you think because he didn't know what to do he didn't do any of the things that he would normally do obviously he didn't get up and get a cell phone and record it yeah or anything like that um so uh uh I what a should have could it right yeah I mean it's one of those scenarios I mean I can't say what I would do I don't know I guess if you're the right mind maybe you would but you're right if you're in a trance you're gonna react differently and I've had um my own experience with the UAP where I felt like it was a very strange experience that I didn't go get my phone which was just in the car right three feet away yeah and I didn't do it and then afterwards after it was all done like it was almost like a cloud lifted for me to go why didn't I do that I'm so silly why wasn't that a thought and it wasn't like I was foggy and then the cloud lifted it was like it's so weird for you to not do something you think you would normally do yeah yeah that's fair that's a fair point um well I thought

46:57this is a fascinating um you know reveal and I'm glad Thomas is coming out with it and telling his story about what it is and you know you're just trying to make sense of it and I think that's a very fair thing to do and um again I highly recommend checking out the full interview here the full story of him talking about that they talk about many other things um in this interview so again I highly recommend it um any last thoughts you know I'd love to see him work with an artist or an AI artist to actually that's a good idea this uh to reality to go no no it's a little more like this or a little more that's a good idea yeah a little more neon less real straight looking you know there should be artists already out there in the UFO community who do this thing why people you know um visualize their experience you know in a way like they're sure aren't just artists be out there is like oh hopefully so and so we'll do this one you know what I mean why are there people oh come on y'all get get on it I can't be doing it I got better I can't I can't do everything anyway uh look had a great time this was a lot of fun I want to thank Gina for coming on and

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