What's Next for the Packers This Offseason?!

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1:02Make sure to use our links so they know we sent you ruzzi.com slash packers. Hello packers fans and welcome back here to the Sunday edition of a pack-a-day podcast for everything you may be and however you may be listening. Thank you so much for making this part of your day. I am Nick Schmitz and joining me. As always, Jimi Kirstensen, Jimmy, we are officially into March. The last time we spoke, we hadn't yet lost the hour of sleep, but because we recorded prior to that. But how you holding up, sleep loss for people with kids is apparently very different for sleep loss than people that don't have kids. It's going. It took a couple of days to adjust.

2:03Now, the big thing is trying to survive this winter storm coming our way. We're supposed to get by between time recording, so Saturday night to Wednesday. We're supposed to get like three feet of snow. Most of it coming tomorrow, so we're definitely losing power. Yeah. It's gross. Our nature just decided that the pure winter months, like December and January and February, no, light snow. And then like March. You're like transitional month? Yeah. Have three feet of snow. Have fun with that. You know? We had like 60-degree day the other day. I was so pissed because that's like my big beef with March, right? We had a 60-degree day. I walked around the block twice with the dogs. I had to put on shorts for it. And then like three days later, it's like if you're not putting on your winter coat, you might die. We were debating going down, driving down back to Milwaukee and staying with my parents, just because our last time, when we first moved up here like three years ago, we lost

3:07power because of a winter storm. And it was out for four days and it's like, that's not great. And whatever's going to happen to the pipes, are going to happen to the pipes. Mine's going to be in Milwaukee where it's warm. So we've been debating back and forth, but think we're going to tough it out. If anything, sacrifice the kids first and then we just hope we survive. Yeah, hey, there you go. That's a great plan. You know? Do it with some chips and beer while watching some football. Yeah. I think the kids play football for my entertainment since I won't have TV. Exactly. See? There you go. It's his perks of having kids, right? Yeah. So the reason I had it. Well, Jimmy, the last time we spoke, free agency hadn't officially started yet, right? Free agency, now officially underway, the new league year officially underway. And I had mentioned last week that every year I'm always excited because there's always one free agent signing that commits to a team on Monday. And then by Wednesday, they commit to a different team.

4:08Turns out this year it wasn't a free agent signing. It was a trade. But we got our one per year, the Baltimore Ravens saying, you know what? We don't actually want Max Crosby for two first drum picks. We'll just, you know, back out of that trade and sign tray Hendrix instead. Insane. That was a while. I loved it because bring on the drama, but as that happened, I was like, are you serious? You knew his knee was shot. None of this is a surprise. It was a big storyline how he had a, the Raiders made a misalaskade. He got meniscus repair surgery. But you know, when you could just back out and sign someone for the same exact price and no fresh drum picks. You know, well, you know, my favorite thing was I saw somebody tweet out that, you know, because the Raiders, they spent all of Monday and a little bit of Tuesday. They signed up. Bunch of players. They threw out a lot of money. And some of it was with the anticipation that Max Crosby's contract wasn't going to be on the books anymore, right?

5:10And I saw somebody say Bill Bell check somewhere as pissed that he didn't think of like, like making a trade for somebody and then re-nigging, like, right beforehand to like, screw over a cap space. You know, he would have done that in an instant. Oh, yeah. For sure. He's like mad that he didn't think of it. He's like, the one problem is though, the Raiders have more, like, they're still pretty below the cap, even with Max Crosby's contract. It's probably the, like, one of maybe two teams that that wouldn't have screwed over. I mean, like the Titans who seemed to sign every person under the sun? Yeah. You know, so it's it's working for the Raiders, but certainly was not part of what they were thinking was going to go down as far as their roster. But I mean, you know, maybe it works out for them. Hopefully. I feel bad for Raider. Actually, I don't know. Screw the Raiders. They went to Las Vegas. I don't care about them at all anymore. If they're Oakland, I'd be like, they need some success. You want to Vegas?

6:10Piss off. Yeah. So, well, the Packers, you know, as far as free agency goes this year, Jimmy, not super surprising with like, I mean, no like blockbuster moves like they had the last two years, but a couple of signings, you know, that they signed a corner, which certainly is a position of need. You know, the trade for the linebacker, I'm blanking on his name already, that, you know, obviously. Yes, officially went through now, you know, you lose quay walker and, you know, they signed Skymore. So they decided that special teams is, yeah, some kind of importance, you know, we'll see about that. I think the biggest, obviously, Jimmy, yeah. The biggest and best move that Green Bay made, and I don't know how they did it, how they swindled a fourth round pick out of anybody for Richon Gary is no one, no one knows.

7:13That still will go, yeah, that is a baffling decision. I love Jerry Jones. I make back every mean thing I've ever said about you. And I think he's a great human being. That does really good things. I mean, the Packers got a fourth round pick for a player they were going to cut. And then they reached my favorite part is they trade a fourth round pick, and then they restructuring his contract and six void years on the end of it where it's like, dude, should he just tampered and just waited until he got released and just signed him right away? You know, just do what we do with our great. You know, we've been talking to that dude for a while, just waiting for him to be released. Yeah. So that is, so that, and honestly, when I saw that the Ravens had re-nigged on the Max Crosby deal, that was my biggest fear was it's like, oh, now the Cowboys are going to back out of the Versailles Gary trade, go for Max Crosby, and then we're stuck releasing him. So, yeah, man, that's, that was great. A couple of notes here, not that people may be super care, but Rashid Walker did agree

8:19to deal with the Carolina Panthers at the time of recording. I don't have what that contract looks like. One year 10 million. One year 10 million. There we go. So, Rashid Walker gone, you know, it feels like the Packers lost a lot of players, but, you know, they'll rebuild. They're still, they're still good. Interesting, Jimmy, real quick, before we get to, you know, kind of what we want to talk about today. You know, I've been seeing that some teams have been calling about Jayden Reed and Don Tavy and Wix, you know, nothing obviously has come to fruition, but, you know, when I see those two names pop up and trade conversations, I'm like, I actually don't want to trade either of those guys. I mean, unless somebody's just like here, here's the first round pick, like if you want to do that, like, all right, I still don't want to do it, but I'll do it since we don't have one currently. Yeah. You know, the only person doing that would be Jerry Jones, because it'd be that dumb.

9:20Hey. He's got some picks. He's real. No, I, I don't like. If our wide receiver room was in a different state, sure, like if it was last season, when we had dobs and you have golden, you're bringing golden in, Savion in, you have a little bit more depth, but like right now, we have Watson Reed, Wix, golden, Savion, I had moments last year, but he's kind of more of that gadget. He had that jump ball. I just don't know how much depth he can really provide there. And he's another one that has dealt with injuries. I just think with the room in the state that it is, we can't afford to lose anybody. And if we do trade a wide receiver, it just bumps up how that need in this year's draft to bring someone in to fill, because if we lose them, we got to replace them right away. But we'll see. I don't, I don't think it's, it's possible. I don't, I think it was Wendell put on, yeah, I think it was Wendell put on Twitter. He was just comparing it to dobs where people wanted him traded last year, or was like dobs

10:22on the field in 2025 was worth way more than the fifth round pit you would have gotten from him. And the most likely the player coming in, and I think that's going to be the same thing for Reed. Reed is going to be more valuable on the field right this coming season than whatever we can get for him in a trade market, unless you said it's something insane, like a first or second round pick in this draft, which no one would give that based on his, his performance last couple seasons and injuries, and which, which would probably would have gotten you lower than dobs would have last season. So he's a late, late round pick, but I just don't think it's worth it. Yeah, yeah, for sure, not, not big on trading, either of those guys right now, but interesting to see, you know, what Green Bay does with them, you know, the, the, the other big reason that they might end up potentially trading one of them, but I agree with you, it's probably the same thing as Romeo dobs, right? You know, dobs was part of trade conversations last off season, and the idea was like, well, you know, he's contracts running out and you're going to let him walk, you know, maybe

11:22to just trade him and, you know, get some, you know, ROI on him. And the packers just, you know, they didn't held out, obviously they didn't get anything in the off season for him, but he was very valuable on the field. I know it's kind of the same thing with both Reed and Wix is, you know, they're people who are thinking you're not going to be able to, you know, contractually keep them. And so maybe you trade one to get something in return, but I, I agree. I think that they're, this year they're, you know, you're still kind of like, I don't want to say the window is closing, but like the window is still open for you right now. And so like, I don't think you're really wanting to be in a spot where you're trading things away to kind of replenish for the future. So like, hey, you're rolling the dice again this year, keep everybody that you can and, you know, try to make that push, you know, so there's also the, the aspect of just untapped potential with this team of like, we've had last season, everyone was typed of like, when Watson comes back, we have Watson, Golden, Dobbs, Reed, Wix, Tucker Kraft, and like

12:27all these weapons on the field, and we literally never got to see it. Right. Right. So looking at somebody was always hurt. We got to see some of it at pieces, piecemeal, but there was never a time where you're just like, hey, all these guys are on the field at the same time. Yeah. So that's a part of it's like, let's, let's try to get that situation we have not had and been wanting for the last two seasons. If it's our last, it's our last attempt to get it because Reed or Wix is going to be gone after this next season or both. So it's like, you might as well just see what you can do. And like you said, the window is not closed. I know the windows open in 2026, it's always going to be if you have Jordan love at quarterback and Micah Parsons and the talent on that defense. I think 2027 is probably realistically going to be a better opportunity. I know we still don't have a first, but we've been, we have a bunch of comp picks now. We got that fourth from the Cowboys. I think it kind of gives us a little more play in room. But this year, like I said, with the talent on this team, it just takes, you just have to get hot. We saw Drake May take the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

13:30Jordan loves to definitely do that. The team's overall better than that. It's going to be a gauntlet in the NFC, but you never know. We'll be right back. So I remember the very first time that drinking hit me differently. I was drinking responsibly the night before and we had young kids at the time. And I woke up with my son, crying in bed and just didn't feel right. It was a very harsh reminder that after the age of 30, even responsibly drinking alcohol will make you feel less than 100% the next day. The more I looked into it, the more I realized that even a few alcohol at drinks will crush your sleep and your next day readiness. That's why I'm obsessed with cheers or store. Cheers or store is a dual action after alcohol aid. It's ingredient support, both your brain and your liver after consuming alcohol. Cheers was originally invented by a student at Princeton and was designed for how alcohol actually affects your body, not just dehydration. And you don't have to just take my word for it. Cheers has appeared on Shark Tank. It is sold in over 30,000 stores and they've already sold over 50 million doses.

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16:36And I was like, I want that to be true. I have no idea if that's true or not, but I'm choosing to believe it's real because it's funny. A thousand percent. I could definitely see him and Malik, he wanted to go to the dolphins. I could see his agent saying it's career suicide. I think Malik is too much of a sweet, sweet man to ever say. Oh, yes. I don't think Malik said it. I think there are people like the, the, uh, the idea though that he didn't go there was because it was just like, this is not a good move. And he would be set up for failure. Yeah, yeah. Correct. Oh, so, um, all right. Well, Jim, let's get into it. You know, again, Packers haven't made like, I mean, Jonathan Hargrave is probably the biggest splash that they've made in free agency this year. Um, but, you know, they've made a couple of signings here and there. Uh, but, you know, real quick today, uh, give me your favorite move that, that Green Bay has made. And hey, Pack, maybe for you, it's the fact that they traded for Sean Gary for a fourth round pick. It doesn't have to be an addition. It can be a subtraction if you would like. Honestly, I think, uh, this one, oh, this, it's kind of tough.

17:39I think I bring it Sean Ryan back. I am a fan of. I think we saw a lot of potential of him jumping in at center after Elton Jenkins went out and improved that position for us. And I think a full off season with him sticking at that position. He's not going to be bouncing around to guard really hone that craft there and just provide consistency on that offensive line is, is a big, uh, a big boost to it. Cause that was one of the biggest problems last year of just people nonstop shuffling around and injuries hit that room hard, injuries hit every room hard. Um, I think my favorite route, uh, move honestly is bringing in Zaire Franklin. I mentioned it on Friday show. It's just we had Kway, Kway had a lot of upside and he had talent. He had splash of like making plays here and there and use, use a good, he started to come into come into his own for being that first round pick later on. But Zaire bring it someone in who just, what everyone said, Stefan Gilmore, his, his former teammate put out like Packers got a dog. Multiple cults, former cults just kept saying like, this guy's a dog.

18:42This guy's, this guy's tough. And that's what this defense needs. We've been saying it all last season after, after the way the season ended. You had Mike Daniels going on Pack today, saying like this team just needs more attitude, more aggression on that defensive side of the ball. And I think that's what you got with Franklin. Someone that can be that Mike, you can let Cooper be his crazy athletic self. McDuff, he can come in and fill in where he needs to. But someone is he going to be perfect or is he going to be great? No, but I think you, you got a good, like you got a really good leader in that locker room or in that position room now. And someone that can make place, he's going to, he's going to attack hard. He's going to hit hard and he's going to, he's going to bring that aggression that I think the team definitely needs. You have that with Micah in the defensive line. You have it with Avenue Williams will put a pop on you. Bollard will, you have some aggression back there. And I think in that middle, that middle spot is kind of where it's missing. So I think, I think it's only going to boost the room. Some veteran leadership, like we've been saying, the youngest team is cool for a while, but you kind of need some old heads in there too.

19:42Yeah. And Green Bay has certainly done that. I didn't realize Jonathan Hargrave. I think he's 32 and going to be 33 by the time the season starts. I think he turned 33 in February. Oh, okay. So, so he is 33 now. So he'll be 33. Well, I don't know when his birthday in February is, but maybe, you know, he'll turn 34 when the package appointment in the Super Bowl is coming here. Yeah. We'll find out. So, um, but, uh, but yeah. So certainly replacing Quay Walker, having kind of a plan, uh, at that was, was nice to see. Um, you know, I mean, I think for me, like the easy one is just considering that you were Sean Gary was going to be a cap casualty, right? Um, the fact that you got anything for him, let him loan a fourth round pick. It's like, I read like late 2027, like late round pick. And I was like, oh, that's a seventh round pick next year. Yeah. Like, I don't know what's considered, like early to mid to late in the draft, but like, I don't consider a fourth round pick.

20:43Oh, late round pick. Like when I hear him late, I think fifth through seven. Yeah. Like that's what I think. Um, but, um, so like that's an easy one just because again, nothing against for Sean Gary, but I mean, when you were literally like, you just knew Green Bay was going to cut him. Yeah, he said goodbye. Yeah, like he said goodbye to everybody. Yeah, he said goodbye and you've still found someone to give you a fourth round pick for a player you were going to cut. That's the easy one. Um, so I'm not going to take the easy road out there. Uh, I do like the addition of Skymore. Um, if for nothing else, like the fact that Green Bay is in some way, shape and form, taking special teams like remotely seriously, right? Um, like part returner and kick returner by committee has been, you know, just like, uh, but again, I will say, right? Like hooray. We signed a kick returner and punt returner and you have one on the roster. You have an all pro on the roster.

21:45We haven't turned on the roster. He can't return puns to say in his life, but we do have a kick return. Really good. Well, okay. But like, so like, and I don't know, I don't know how Green Bay, like, my assumption would be first of all that obviously he's got to make the team because I don't think he, like, I think this is going to be, uh, Nicole Harman all over again. Like, not saying that he's going to for sure get cut, but like, I don't think it's like a guarantee that he makes the roster, um, and certainly is brought in more as a special teams returner than anything else. Like, yeah, he, he's listed as a wide receiver, um, given the wide receiver room. I don't think they're going to be drawing up a whole lot on offense for him. But, um, but just, you know, having that player that can, you know, return puns, return kicks, right? And kind of, you know, my feeling is that they're just, like, the don't expect Keisha Nixon to be doing anything other than playing corner this year. Like, that's kind of how I read that when they signed them.

22:45So, um, you know, it's always, always good to have somebody that can actually do something in the return game for you. Um, so it's a, it's a, a boost up from the ops. I've, I love dobs, but like, that man should never have been our punter turner. Well, my, my theory was with dobs. And I don't know, like what Green Bay's intention was, but like, it always felt like when he was back there, Matt McFlure said, I need you to catch the ball. Like, I don't need you to return the ball. You're, you're not back there to run. You're back there to make sure that Jordan love steps on the field after this point is over. No, I'm with you 100%. It was a, we can trust you to catch it. Don't risk it. Just fair catch. We'll figure it out and go. So because that's what Randall Cobb always felt like when he would go back there later on in his career, it was just like, we know you can catch the football. That's it. Yep. So, um, and so yeah. Uh, so Green Bay, I don't want to say fairly quiet, but, you know, again, comparatively to the last two years, this is much more tone down.

23:48Certainly don't have as much money to play with now that you, you know, given out big contracts and, you know, you're, you're in win now mode. But, uh, Jimmy, real quick, um, what are you looking to see? Green Bay address still, whether it's, you know, obviously we've got the draft coming up at April, right? There might be a few, um, you know, players here and there that they can sign in free agency. I wouldn't expect, you know, maybe the biggest thing that you're maybe still potentially waiting on as far as like if you're talking about a splash, um, you know, Green Bay has been rumored to have interest in Josh sweat, um, you know, who knows if that'll come, uh, to fruition or not. But I mean, as far as free agents go, anybody that's really worth having has signed at this point, right? So like, as far as like big names that you would know, uh, but, you know, is there a position that you're looking like, man, like Green Bay's done some, you know, good things so far, but they still really need to address this. Yeah. For me, it's still, I think they can address the defensive line in the draft. I think that's a spot and even with line, uh, offensive line depth, I

24:51wouldn't mind if they brought in even if it's an older player. It's just right now, I think we're in that move mode where it's like, we're not going to compromise any, any comp picks, um, because I think with, with the draft next season, it just seems this kind of how they operate. They, they were going to much rather hang on to some of those picks if they can, rather than sign, sign a free agent. So I think we might be looking in the release market as, as teams release players later on, but then I think, uh, for me, I, I want to see something at quarterback still. I just need just got released. That is a pipe dream. He's a veteran with experience, uh, obviously played really well for the chiefs, struggle a little bit for the Titans. I think it's a player who will look better when the defense is overall and the talent around him is better. I think he can do well in Green Bay. If we bring him in, it just depends what he's looking for. If it's another big payday, not for us. If it's a one year, prove it contract, two year, prove it contract, that has Green Bay all over it in my mind. But with that move, obviously brought in St.

25:53Juice, but I was not the biggest fan of releasing, uh, Nate Hobbs. I know he did not play well for us last year. It's an extremely thin room right now. And you're getting rid of someone that can provide depth in the, in the slot. Someone that wasn't great outside, but if you need him to play outside, he could right now we have Bollard and, um, Bollard at nickel. On obvious past downs, we've seen some of those struggles. He got torched by St. Brown opening game last season. He had some improvement, but I feel that we got to do something with that cornerback room outside of just the draft because relying on, on rookies in that room right now when you, you're in your Super Bowl window is not, not usually a recipe for success. So if we can bring someone in, whether it's a veteran like Snead or even a Douglas, I know he would, he would go towards a, actually, I don't even know if he's exactly right now. If he's a free agent, honestly, I think he is, um, just bringing in a veteran corner just to provide depth. If anything, I think it would be big for this team. Yeah. I mean, it's, it, I would certainly agree.

26:55I would think at this point, you know, corner is still a, it feels like a massive problem, um, you know, because you can, you can say it at, maybe minimum, you know, it's a wash between letting Hobbes go and bringing in St. Juice, right? You know, like, it's just like, I mean, maybe the player is, you know, maybe St. Juice is a better player than Nate Hobbs, but like depth wise, you still, you know, it's one for one at that point, right? And even if he's better, like, again, no offense to Nate Hobbs, but like, that's not like a, yeah, you know, it's not a large bar to clear. At this point, I just also feel bad for the injury wise of like, we saw what it looked like last year when he was, had three different knee injuries if a healthy Nate Hobbs and a, granted that contract was big. Um, I just, I guess for me, I didn't understand releasing him when we did because if we designated it as a post June 1st cut, in my mind, keep

27:56him, see how the draft falls. If we're able to get corners great, if not, we only got like one of the ones that we wanted, you at least have Nate Hobbs there. Cause right now it's Nixon, it theoretically, in my mind, Nixon is in backup, backup slot, which I don't think he necessarily wants to do. And he's not that great anyways there. So yeah, who knows, good. Yeah. So certainly corner is probably the one spot, you know, that you still really need to, you know, address and get after on, obviously, Jonathan Hargrave was the, uh, the big kind of, you know, signing the Green Bay had, so to speak, uh, on the defensive line there. So, um, you know, that's, that was good to see, um, and so, and then, you know, certainly offensively, you know, right now, maybe other than offensive line, they don't really don't need much on the offensive side of the ball, right? Receiver set, running back is set, quarterback is set. Certainly, yes, you could argue they need a backup quarterback. But again, they're not going to, they're not going to jeopardize a

28:56comp pick for a backup quarterback. Yeah. Um, so, you know, you argue on the, sorry, don't mean it. I was going to say you could argue tight end with craft coming, coming back from ACL. You have Musgrave. They brought back widely. And then the other one is for me is running back like what we're going to do behind Josh Jacobs is just going to be rolling with Chris Brooks and hoping Lloyd can stay healthy. Are we going to bring that address that in the draft later on and see if he can bring in another body? But I feel like that's one of the rooms where, but to your point, offense is all that starters are locked in. It's just who you're going to provide to have there in case of emergency break class situation. Yeah. So, uh, but yeah, I mean, Green Bay, I mean, what would you give them so far through, you know, everything that they've done from last Sunday to this Sunday? How would you, you know, rate, you know, how they've done so far? Certainly there's, there's more to be done. But I mean, in, in what they can do right now, you know, what would you give them grade wise?

30:01We'll be right back. Yeah, I think there'll definitely some pessimistic fans who don't agree with this, but honestly, it's, to me, you're right up until that B plus range, like you have every position that you lost outside of Malik Willis right now, like you have someone else to come in and immediately fill that spot. Dobs going, you have golden, Quay Walker left. We have Zaire Franklin now. Rashon Gary, you drafted, you have been as in Parsons. And then we drafted surreal last year, Oliver last year. I think we're still going to address that room. I guess edge is pretty thin. So I would expect a couple draft picks or draft picking in this year's draft to kind of fix that. But for right now, it's, they planned it this way. Rashid Walker's gone. We have Jordan Morgan. We did that for a reason. It just seems like there's really no outside of corner, which we knew going into this office season was a glaring hole. And we weren't really going to be able to address that in free agency, most likely, especially with Wollin taking a one year, 15 million dollar

31:04deal Packers. I couldn't imagine they'd want to do that. I don't know. I feel like they did everything they could within their restraint of, do you have a very expensive quarterback, a very expensive defensive venue just traded for and you have extensions coming up with Watson and Kraft that you need to figure out potentially to buy and say, why it? I think for the means that they had and what they have, they kind of did probably the most and the best they could with it. Yeah, I would tend to agree. And then like I keep coming back to, I mean, you know, we knew that Green Bay was going to lose a lot of players, right? We knew that Dobbs was gone. We knew that Malik Willis was going to leave, right? You know, it felt fair. Like I don't say, I don't want to say we knew for sure that Quay Walker was going to leave, but like it really felt more in the like, I'd be more surprised if he came back than didn't come back. You know, so you knew you were going to lose a lot of players and I feel like for what they did and, you know, within the constraints that they had.

32:04And then like I'm also taking into consideration again, I know we've talked about but like you got a fourth round pick for a guy you were going to cut. Like, yep, I mean, that's impressive, you know, like, and especially for a, again, only time will tell, but the 2027 draft is being talked as much better of a draft than the 26 draft. So I almost wonder if part of the reason they, I wonder if Goody said, I don't want to fourth round this year. Give me a fourth round in next year's draft. And, you know, so again, all things considered like I think they, they did well. Could they've maybe done a little bit better? I'm sure you can always argue it, but, you know, the big thing is is I think the other thing too is they made some moves that made it, you know, I know Andy and Justice were talking about it this week of, you know, wet and Elton Jenkins go getting rid of Gary, you know, they freed up a lot of space to, you know, potentially make a splash

33:06free agent signing and they said, well, that money could also be for Kraft and Watson. Right. And I, and like, that's part of the thing too that, like, it's always weird to me about free agency, you know, people would be like, oh, we didn't sign anybody. And it's like, man, if they mock up, Tucker Kraft and Christian Watson for the next four, five years, that's signing somebody in my opinion. Like, I know they were on the roster already, but keeping them on the roster for the next four to five years, that's, that's an addition. Yeah, that's money well spent because it's going against what everyone's complaining about right now. I'm like, oh, we're losing so many guys. The way to not lose so many guys is to keep your really good ones like Watson and Kraft and, and why it potentially, so it's, you know, it's their people complain. If you let them walk, they'll complain. If we resign them, they'll complain that we're not more active. So, yeah. But yeah, I, so I mean, I think Green Bay, I'd give them probably a B, right? You know, certainly all things considered, again, I still can't believe they got a

34:07fourth round. I'm sorry. I mean, it's just it blows my mind. It's perplexing. It is. It's perplexing. Perplexing is correct. You know, I mean, at this point, it's like, wow, we traded for Sean Gary for Micah Parsons. It's pretty good trade. Have you seen the shade too? Just without any, any names ever being mentioned. But Micah and his brother, well, his brother has been going at Rashon very openly. But even Micah in his tweets, you know, they're about Gary when they're like, what's the best trade for, what's the best trade for a de-end aggression and pursuit to things Gary did not have? And he made a few other comments about just effort, just lacking. It, uh, people pointed out pretty much every other player and there were some on Instagram that like made a post about Rashon Gary, but maybe one or two. Every other player that left and got paid, you were seeing posts about them.

35:09Everyone was like, congrats with Rashon Gary. It was kind of crickets for a little bit. I think everyone kind of knew like, dude, you don't, you don't put in the same amount effort that everyone else does this time for you to go to. Yeah, well, and, you know, it. Other players notice that that's like one thing for sure, like, you, you, you, you, you can maybe fool like the fans and whatnot and people watching. Can't fool your teammates as far as effort goes. They know hell yeah. So also real quick, I just got to put this out here, uh, really tough year for Canada. Really tough year for Canada, losing the gold medal game in both men's and women's ice hockey and then getting eliminated by the United States and the World Baseball Classic. Oh, we took them out took them out five, three, tough year for Canada, yeah, you have universal health care, but we beat you in sports.

36:10All right, well, on that note, we'll have things out. So, um, yeah, uh, any final thoughts real quick, Jimmy on, uh, Packers, free agency so far and then started the new week year. Uh, not really, it was, I don't want to say underwhelming, that wasn't the word. It's kind of gone as expected, nothing crazy. And I think, uh, it's about to get pretty boring. And I know the drafts coming up, but we're going to be obviously not as, not as involved in that as we have been years past and who knows, well, obviously, probably make trades, but it's just normal Packers off season. It's going to get quiet for a while. We'll have the draft and then it's going to get real quiet again for a while. Same old, same old, yep, yep, you can, uh, you pretty much turn stuff off until the draft and then you can turn it on for the draft and then you can turn stuff off until training camp, 1000% so. But yeah, so the draft is what? Probably six weeks away still because it's actually end of April, something like that. So, but, well, don't worry, we'll keep you up to date on anything that might

37:14happen between now and then might be in the operative word. Um, so, you know, we'll see, but, uh, so far so good for Green Bay. I think, um, you know, don't, don't worry. Winning the off season is not the important thing. The Raiders and the Bears constantly win the off season. And it, you know, doesn't translate too much. So except for last year, but usually you don't win the off season and win the Super Bowl. So, right. So, all right. Well, thank you, everybody for listening. It's selection Sunday. So if you're a college basketball fan, like I am, uh, I'm very excited. So I, I, I work from home. So Thursday and Friday, I will be doing a lot of work and taking care of a baby and watching college basketball or far too many hours of PV. It's like the worst. It's like the unhealthy as four days of my year, every year. It's just like stock up on food and I'm like, I'm not leaving the house. There's basketball on from 11 to 11.

38:15It's like, it's unhealthy. But what do I care? Beer and chip, right, Jimmy? Beer and chips, baby. That's all you need. So, all right. Well, enjoy the rest of your Sunday, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. We'll talk to you next week. And as always, go back.