Was Bakari Wrong About Angie Nixon? | NLP Replay

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3:03on air about the frustration around the way that National Democrats, etc. are looking at Angie Nixon and her race. My comments on it, but it's a full conversation. So I hope that I hope people enjoy. I hope people clip it and I hope people put it out there and actually leave some constructive comments about things we did. Things we can do better. We have joining us as we talked about earlier and none other than Nikki Free joining us. Welcome home, Nikki Glad. Thank you for joining Native Lampod. Thank you so much for inviting me on. I'm excited to have this conversation with you all. Yeah, for sure. I think first and foremost, I think I would be remiss if I didn't talk about your platform and encourage people to go subscribe and watch what you do on Instagram. I've become inundated with your platform over the past week and appreciate, come to appreciate the news and the way that you distribute the news and how you do it. So I wanted to start there. We're going to have a conversation and I think it's, I think it's best we frame it this way because Angie Nixon has been a part of our conversation over the past week.

4:07And it's them from my comments on CNN. And I think we can have a large conversation about is Florida in play? How do we make Florida in play? That's one part of it. We can talk about the rise of the left and whether or not Angie Nixon's win demonstrates that or talks about that. And we can talk about even as Angela probably wants to get to for a second. We can talk about the attacks of Laura Lumer. But the first thing I wanted to do was frame the discussion because there was a clip that you played on your show. And I believe it's on at I am Nikki free. I wanted to make sure that we put that up. I am Nikki free and we'll put it up in your cry on. And I will talk about it on the other end because I think one of the concerns that I have is that there was a narrative that somehow I was hoping that Alexander Vinderman would win the race and because Alexander Vinderman did not win the race. I was encouraging individuals not to give to Angie Nixon. And we're going to have that conversation because I wanted the full context of my comments.

5:10But I wanted George played first. Okay. Apparently vote blue no matter who comes with an asterisk. Because when democratic voters choose the wrong Democrat, some centuries would apparently rather forfeit the race than fight alongside the candidate voters actually chose. And the Senate Democrat, Vicari Sellers just demonstrated exactly what I mean. Angie Nixon defeated Alexander Vinderman in Florida's Democratic Senate primary. Not only did she beat him, she beat him by double digits and did it while being dramatically outspent. And what has been Sellers assessment? That Vindman was a poor candidate who ran a poor campaign. Fair enough that is true. However, Sellers went on CNN and said Nixon's victory was not some referendum showing the progressive left is ascended. And then he said something that really pissed me off. And I'm also just going to have a blunt message for Democrats.

6:12We won't be wasting money in Florida now. Excuse me. So the reason that I wanted to play that is because the way that it was framed, it was framed as such that because Alexander Vinderman won the race and Angie Nixon did not win the race. That's the other way around. Is that the way around? I'm sorry, because Angie Nixon won the race and Alexander Vinderman, thank you, Angela, did not win the race. I was encouraging people not to give per se to Florida because of that. But I wanted to play the clip and hold, not in, not in whole, but not just that statement, but there was a statement that was made right after that, which added some clarification to my point, which I think adds context and kind of disabuses people of that notion. So let's play that real quick and then we can discuss it on the other side. But Carrie Sellers, I mean, when you watched the way Angie Nixon was campaigning there, you could hear the passion and in many ways what the governor was just addressing there. Being willing to fight seems to be the primary criteria for Democratic voters these days.

7:17Angie clearly also had black support in Florida, which you could also see there. How would you look at the results out of Florida and apply them going forward? So first of all, let me just say this is going to be a weird moment for me agreeing with both Mark Pudel and Mark Sanford. I'll surprise you over a ride with your own Mark Sanford before it's lunch. But I have to throw the cold water on your premise here, Casey. I mean, the simple fact is this isn't a Florida's not some display that DSA is on the rise. The fact is we sent Debbie Washington Shots back to Congress, a Moscow Itch, a Jair Moscow, it's back to Congress, elected David Jolly. You saw a poor candidate lose a race because he ran poorly. This isn't some referendum on the far left or this left versus establishment narrative that people want to talk about. And I'm also just going to have a blunt message for Democrats. You won't be wasting money in Florida now.

8:18We were going to be spending tons of money on a Senate seat that we were not going to win in Vindamine instead of spending money in North Carolina and Ohio and maybe even Iowa as Senate seats we can win. And now you're going to see that money not go to Florida. It's going to go to the places that are necessary that we have a fighting chance, that we have an ability to win. And so the map has a funny way of realigning itself on primary night. And that's what happened last night. And so I think when you see the full context of the comments, it's not that we wanted or I wanted Alex Vindamine to win. In fact, I'd say immediately after the quote that you pulled that if Alex Vindamine had one, we were going to waste a lot of money on Alex Vindamine in a state that we cannot win because he was deemed to be the shiny star. He was deemed to be this champion of the resistance. And so my entire argument was, and this is one that I can get chastised on, I just wanted the full context. Florida is not a state that is a primary target if we're going to take the United States

9:23Senate back. That was my point. And I think at the full clips play that comes out. The other point is I was not attempting to and I think I was clear with that simply say because Angie Nixon didn't win, don't get Florida money. I was saying, Florida is not a top tier target regardless and we were going to waste money with Andrew Vindamine. That was my thought. So we could talk about that first and we can move to some other topics. Maybe that was the intent, but it did come across that way. It really came across that you were saying the Democratic Party was really behind Vindamine. And I'm close with FDP so I know how they're moving and that they were not supportive of Angie Nixon or any of that. So what I heard, Bakari, and I'm glad you talked about the full context, but what I heard was we thought this guy was going to win. We put money in Florida behind him. He didn't win.

10:23We're out because we don't think Angie can win. And I will tell you, my phone was ringing off the hook from black women in Florida saying, what is this? What is this? We have coalesced around this woman. White people have coalesced around her. I met Angie for the first time at Leadership Blue and she invited me to her event. I walked up to her event with her. It was full of, it was a multicultural coalition, right? I, white men in pink t-shirts screaming for Angie. So I knew then because I've been around Florida politics for so long. I was a reporter in Florida. I worked in state and local government in Florida. I've been around politics so long that I know that when white men are coalescing around a black woman candidate, there's something special there. And I feel like the Democratic Party has washed their hands of Florida. Yes, Florida is a weird and difficult place for Democratic politics.

11:26But that has only been over the last 30 years. That only is really. And really over the last six years to be completely honest, six years ago. It was a swing state. But I do want to be extremely clear about this because you're right. And the way I hear you, but when you look in the comments and context for whatever it is, my only point and the only point I will continue to make is that if we're going to take back the Senate, I said that if Alex Vinderman would have won the race, that was a waste of Democratic. He would have been a waste of Democratic Party resources, which I still hold today. But I just want to go ahead, Angelin. And then I wanted to throw this up just so we can talk about Florida real quick and see how we can move forward to how do we make it a swing state, what needs to happen. And then we can have a blue versus Democrat versus DSA conversation if necessary. Yeah. I think that this is, there are a couple of things happening here. The first is, it is true that Bacari is more moderate than me. That's probably you, Nikki.

12:29It is also true that we come from different political leanings, but all in all. I remember when we did, we talked about DSA on the show and we went through what Nick, I was saying, Nikki, what Angie Nixon's platform was. I think writ large be you agreed with her platform. I think what's happening right now is in this country, black people are under assault period, right? So if we go somewhere, I mean, if you were to run that clip back, for example, you were specifically asked about Angie Nixon from Casey. And I think in your answer, you don't even say her name, right? And in your mind, you're saying, I'm not going to say her name because I'm not trying to put system harms way. And the, in the minds of, hold on, I'm just going to play it in a plan that I want to hear, but I just want you to hear this, this perspective, this outside of the bubble of your remarks in that time. When you are constantly at odds, you know what it's like because you're on CNN, you didn't

13:29like to call it a damn boy on CNN. And she's been called that or worse by the party in the state from the head of the party in the state who has not backed her who she's had some really challenging conversations with even now going into the general. So for a black man who is as informed as you are, who is as incredible as a strategist as you are to not even say her name and then to say, we're not going to waste money in Florida now in the minds of us who were just on defense right now. I feel like, damn, McCarty, Angie, you waste the money. That's not what you meant. But understand, hold on, just this last point. I think that it's important for you to hear that in a moment where we're all grasped and for whatever is going to create change to get us out of this fascist, like bring that and heart efforts can't feel like a waste, especially when people for the first time are like, oh my God, we feel the energy we felt around Andrew.

14:31So I think that you have to say in a dish, what you don't have to say, my suggestion would be contextualize this in your experience in South Carolina, running statewide, how that felt, you know, and then why you think Florida is not a good investment, particularly when we have someone that's functioning as a change agent, people didn't think Barack Obamacca do it neither. But there's something that changed in the psyche that we also don't want to, you know, turn a blind eye to and she's got the it factor. I don't know if she's going to get all the votes, but she's definitely not if people feel like you're saying or people are saying it's a waste of money. Now all that hope gets shrank. And so I think that there's this balance that we have to walk this not fair where it's, here's the strategy play. Here's why this is unlikely, but here's the thing that we could do to inspire enough change enough, oh, to change the normal outcome is all in a sense. And I hear that, I mean, I hear that and I receive that like that, that's not my problem is not receiving it. That's one of the reasons that, yeah, that that Nikki's on the show, right?

15:33And that's one of the reasons that I don't go in comments and talk this and that because my biggest issue was that it was just that that piece of the comment and not the full comment. I get people enough comment. I get people enough content to be mad at me for whatever. But when I look at when I look at Florida, right? And this is this is about harm reduction, right? This is about eliminating harm. I find and I feel that the best way that we improve the plight of African Americans and Black folk in this country is to have a democratic majority, right? And that's the frame that I'm looking at a democratic majority in the Senate, a democratic majority in the House. And yes, we can have conversations about Schumer and we can have conversations about the Kim Jeffries. But right now we have 60 days left into the election. So when I'm looking at this frame, I'm like, I'm trying to make sure we win these Senate seats. Nick, what I wanted you to do was just put up this vote share because when Nikki was talking about the last 30 years, one of the things that I pulled was that it's not even been 30 years. It's really been six years. And I'll tell you about not too deep of a personal conversation.

16:35But if you look at the last six years in Florida, the vote share for Biden when it was actually a swing state was 47.86 for Charlie Chris, who was also a terrible candidate. It was 40% for Kamala. It was 43% and for I miss pronounce her name all the time. Murk, can you help me pronounce it? Miss Nick, I'm sure you know better than I do. I can't see the screen. 2024. Macarcel Powell. Macarcel Powell. Macarcel Powell. Yeah, Macarcel. Macarcel, yes. When she ran, it was 42%. And so the entire point that I'm making is that if we are talking about taking back the Senate, if we're having this national conversation, respectfully, Florida is not a part of that national conversation. Now, if we want to talk about what does what does Angie mean, I'm contributing to Angie. We've had a conversation, right? And I asked her kind of point blank, what are we doing in what do you and she talked about some of the things that they're doing with the Hispanic voters in Florida? We talked about that. We had that conversation kind of the way that these conversations, sometimes I wish more people

17:37would pick up the phone and call folk. I think that's very important and very powerful, but she asked me to contribute. I said, of course, her fundraising team is going to reach out to me to do some fundraising. I said, of course, because even though in the point, and this also may be a point that's hard to realize when you're a candidate, even by running a lot of times you can help out house seats, which regardless of either the FDP or Angie Nixon, you need that in Florida. And then maybe in four years or six years or eight years, you can pull off a statewide victory. That's kind of how these things are built. But Florida is just not a state that from my perspective, when we're talking about harm, when we're talking about the success and what 2026 success looks like, a state where Dems will be able to prevail. And that was my, that was my point, whether or not it was Vindamine. I thought we were going to do the same thing we did with Vindamine that we did with beta overall roar, which is everybody was going to go down there and we were going waste all this money whereby we could, we could help John Ossoff. We could help Roy Cooper. We could help Sherry Brown. We could actually go in these places, Alaska, New Hampshire and win.

18:40That's why, that's why my next comment I thought was so important to the first one. But I think sometimes when we, and I understand statistics and, you know, the numbers and digging into all of that, but sometimes the way we frame that to the public discourages us from both. This discourages us from being, being active in the whole political process because if you say Florida is not in play, then you, you're playing to these people who are like, well, why am I voting anyway, right? And I understand that that is important. But we also have to understand the importance of framing the message in a way that continues to get people out to vote. People are excited about Angie. Her race was historic and nobody is talking about that. Look at how long it took the leadership of the Democratic Party to even say, damn, girl, you did that. She was outspin 12 to 1 and be or 18 to 1 and beat him by 12 points. That is something to fricking celebrate whether or not you think Florida is in play or not.

19:45And as Angela said, black women are so frustrated. We are the backbone of this party. And when we hear, well, Florida is not in play and we don't think Angela, you know, you didn't say that Angie is not going to win or that Angie is not a great candidate. But the way you framed your comments was very much. We always want money in Florida. This girl won. We don't know where she's the assay. We're not going to waste money there. But she has an energized campaign. And I think the Democrat Party does itself a huge disservice. And we say this state is not in place. So we're moving on when I think what Stacy Abrams was able to do in Georgia, when you get outside of Atlanta, you go to those rural counties in Georgia, you know, this year it's out Carolina. There's a whole lot of black people down there and a whole lot of black people that want to vote, that want to vote for candidates that have come and spoken to them. And a lot of times my family is has roots in Barnesville, Georgia, right between making

20:45and Atlanta, right? There's so many black people down there. When we go and talk to those people, they're like, y'all first people that came down here to talk to us. Did you even get us to go vote? And so the Democratic Party just, there's so many of us out here that are hungry to work with the Democratic Party. Tell us where you want us to go meet people. Tell us where you want us to go meet people at. But y'all say, you're in Florida, I'm done. We're not investing anything down there, right? I watched Angie move. I watched Alexander Venman run from creators and reporters at FD. He was, he was awful. Well, he was still getting backrored. And this woman is out there fixing her car on the side of the damn road. And she gave him get a million dollars. What is this? What is this? And when the, I'm sorry, let me just say this. One thing when the Democratic Party does not consistently call less around something. You might not think they can win, but at least give them a shot.

21:46At least get in front of the people and say, she ran a great race. This is a good candidate. We should probably do more for. And you guys are just leaving some of us out here like, I'm tired. My husband told me when Barack was running, listen, you need to do something. You need to figure something out. You even need to stop giving Jesus so much money with Tyden or stop giving Barack so much money because we can't have this much money going out of the house. Now we're just like, should we compete? I think one of the agreements that we have is something that you mentioned earlier, which doesn't get enough credit. I always, I just mentioned it on my solo pod this week. But when you talk about John Ossoff and Raphael Wardlock, people oftentimes forget Stacey Abrams and the work that she did. The reason that I bring that up is because that is not something that happened in August September of election year. And people forget that, right? But I don't know who gave Alexander Vennman money, right? That was just that, that was an itching my crawl. I got somebody else who hasn't itching my crawl to, but I'm not trying to deal with the

22:49state of Texas too. I already got a Florida on my ass. I ain't trying to deal with the state of Texas because Texas ain't really in the top. You notice, and that's the funny thing about it. When the clip got played, I have friends of mine who were like, well, you not mad at them for giving all that money to James Tallerico. I was like, I didn't even mention Texas. So yeah, I was like, I didn't even, I don't even know how I got thrown under the bus with Texas, right? But more because you are, you are on television almost every night. And you are by default an official spokesperson for the Democratic Party and for black people in that party just by default. Yeah. And so I'm just telling you my urgency, my urgency, and this is this, and I do believe that whether or not it's me, you, Angela, I, Angie Nixon, that if we want Florida to be in that conversation, that it, it, it, it starts yesterday. And we go and we invest in those rural areas and we raise the money necessary to do that target. So when Angie runs in two years or four years, because my comments were in a, my comments

23:51weren't a condemnation on her campaign or who she is, my comments simply were the state of play. And if we want that state of play to improve, and I understand your point about framing it and driving voters out, I, I hear that. But if we want that, and I received that, but if we want that state of play to change, then one of the things we have to do, whether or not it's within the Democratic Party or auxiliary to the Democratic Party is we need to make sure that we're mobilizing in these black rural areas where these voters are or South Carolina, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana will continue to be outpaced by North Carolina. Roy Cooper is going to raise $100 million. I've already had fun raising through. Go ahead. I want to say this really quick, because I want to go back to this. One thing Nikki, you mentioned is because Angie's DSA, Angie has said she is not DSA. She's aligned with working families. She has made it clear that she does not want to be, she got the commercial where she's like, I'm not in this box. That's the else thing. I'm over here working on issues. And I think that's the other thing that's really, really important part of the wedge between

24:55her and the party establishment is her, the way that she talks about politics, Medicare for All, when kids should have the right to what the government should be doing for us. And there are people that are the more moderate wing of the party who have led and had called the purse strings in Florida that thought that was too radical. The reality of it is the base of voters in Florida is not going to increase without something a little more radical. And that doesn't mean you have to label it socialism, right? It could just be progress. And I think that's the other really important thing when she was on this show, we did a solo pod B. And when we had that conversation, Angie's whole office is buzzing. And the reason why I was buzzing is because she and the rest of her campaign were getting ready to go hit the streets. They were going to knock on doors and Maxwell Frost was down there and all of that. There is something that's happening. And I do think it's incumbent upon us to say, you know, the way that we've been doing this hasn't been working. Maybe it's time to do something different. And I think that is the hurt.

25:57People don't just come to you or want to hear from you commentary and analysis, you know, a post game commentary. It's also like, no, you can drive this, but you have ideas about how they could win. So what are the things that you would lay out to help them win? You're doing a fundraiser, Frange. You had a strategy call with her, all of these other things that help her get closer to the victory. We've gotten close with Andrew. There's not, again, I'm not in Florida, but from what I understand, there's not been this much excitement around the candidate since him. He was 32,000 votes away if you believe they counted all the ballots. I don't. From beating Rhonda Santas, these folks have finally found something to put their hope back in after being like downtrodden and hopeless about if there was a pathway for a not only a Democrat, but especially a black one. Yeah. And I hear you. I mean, my trepidation comes on the other side of that debate too. And I totally hear you. And I think that there's a lot of work that we can do in Florida as a collective, right? And will that bear fruit in three months?

26:57I don't know, right? And can you nobody? Look, go ahead. Well, I will say we're spending so much time talking about, and I don't mean us in this literal sense right here, but I mean in general, we're spending so much time talking about who, who Angie Nixon isn't, or if she has the ability to win. And we're not talking about Ashley Moody being caught up in this $10 million, you know, fraudulent scandal. If she needs to go to prison, right. And so we're not, but nobody is talking about that. Nobody in the Democratic Party is talking about we absolutely have an opportunity to fight in Florida because people are pissed off in Florida on both sides of the aisle about the diversion of this money to the governor's wife's charity. And then to political action committees, people are talking about that. And people are frustrated about it. And every day, Ron DeSantis, Ashley Moody and the rest of them are changing their story. So we do have an opportunity to really go after a bad, no, does she disappear for you?

28:05She disappeared for me. I don't know what happened. Yeah, you keep talking about Ashley Moody if you want to. They go on. Ron DeSantis take all you, but I mean along the other lines, can I just talk about this is this is, I, this means I'm not necessarily. I'm not necessarily taking your advice, Angela, because this is going to be a little bit in the weeds. I'm sorry, but like nobody's having a conversation about how Democrats in Florida and beyond have alienated Hispanic voters in Florida in particular. And what we're going to name black ones too. I think that's kind of the point. Oh, I know I agree with you. I agree with you. Well, let me let me let me play some part of the reason part of the reason we've seen over the last six years, those numbers decline from 47 to the low 40s is because Hispanic voters and you know, that's a wide variety of voter, which I've learned in Florida in particular. We can't lump them in. And that's something Democrats have been doing lumping them all in together, messaging singularly to them. Yes. But go ahead. That's because we don't have and as much as I hate to throw a Democratic party, the state

29:06and the national party under the bus, we don't have a strategic communications plan on how to talk to people. I grew up in Orlando. I didn't grow up around a lot of Cubans, but you know who I grew up around a lot of a lot of Puerto Ricans. And they are very different. Yes. When their politics, then Cubans are and we don't talk to them the same way. We love everybody in the same group. And we on the ground in Florida, that makes up, you know, a lot of Caribbean people, a lot of people from Haiti, a lot of people from Puerto Rico and the rest of us, we sit and talk about how the Democratic party does not reach out to us and how they find sometimes more, for lack of a better word, they find more, more, more in common sometimes with the way Republicans are talking to them, right? Not that they believe everything that they say. That's the fact. Yeah, that's the fact. But we also have to deal with racism.

30:06Like, you know, between black and Latino communities as well. And I think especially when you talk about Cubans and South Florida, that's a whole thing. And then them trying to label Angie and social. And Arjun, Arjun, Arjun, Tiniens. But yeah, I hear you. Yeah, that's true. But they are specifically trying to sound the alarm and blow a dog whistle about Angie to them. Speaking of dogs, I wanted to talk about one Laura Loomer. But we want to get you out of here. But let's, we got to talk about this. I'm going to have a whole conception. Now, I'm going to talk about this. Because there should be bipartisan and black women and black men agreement on this one. So let's go ahead and run this dog's clip. Laura Loomer. But what you have to understand that stereotypes exist for a reason. And if you are one of these people that doesn't want to stereotype out there, then, you know, maybe you should start speaking out if you are a member of the black community and calling out this behavior. People out the entitlement of these, as I like to call them, ghetto black bitches.

31:08And no, that's not that is not painting all black women with it with the same brush. But there, there is a stereotype. And I've noticed the stereotype exists in the Democrat party. And I don't think it belongs in the United States Senate. Unfortunately, it's already in the United States Congress. And we've seen very destructive, very destructive policies and very destructive behavior already carried out by these women. I'm just going to read their names. And I think they all follow the same category. Angie Nixon, Ilhan Omar, Iana Presley, Corey Bush, Katanjee Brown, Jackson. I mean, look at that disaster. Look at that disaster on the Supreme Court. Number one, this dumb, sad that you're already seeing this in the United States Congress. Angie Nixon's not elected yet, but you wouldn't know that because you don't take civics. And she named a Supreme Court Justice, Katanjee Brown, Jackson. And then she also named someone who's no longer in the United States Congress. And none of these women should be called ghetto.

32:11I'm sure they're happy to be called black. And definitely not a bitch from this broad. So I just, I wanted to stop there for a minute because I think Nikki, even though this didn't happen before Bacari's commentary on air, we're always carrying the weight of that, right? That's something that I think we also have to just navigate through. And in this particular hour, black men need to be protected one another. Certainly need to be protecting black women and vice versa. And everybody does, you know, they, them in between. We've got to make sure we protect in the black family, the black folks. So I just wanted to play that because I think that our response to what she's doing should be loud, I think that we should be calling on the Republican Party and all these candidates to disavow Laura Lumer and to demonstrate that they don't support anything that she says and condemn her and work to get her off air because that's blatant racism. So I wanted to play that because I thought that encapsulated perfectly why we can't sound like we're anything but united in this moment. Absolutely.

33:11And remember before Laura Lumer even said that Alexander Vendman's wife did a dog whistle and talked about Angie's clothes and Angie's shoes. So we had to fight that in Florida. I knew about that. Oh, yeah. She talked about Angie. And Angie getting her clothes from the good with she need to get a better pair of shoes and all this. Yeah, we had to fight that dog whistle. So I may have been on edge with her when I made that video. I mean, I was, but I mean, the only point I was trying to make by having you on the other side. I was just listening. I was glad to hear lost. No, but, but I think what you're not, what you're not hearing me. No, I hear you. I hear you. So then I'm saying, don't double down in the BS. No, no, no. You're pointing something different, but hear the protection point that's needed. I think the protection is. I think the protection is. I think the protection is. I think the protection is. I think the protection is. Which normally Southern gentleman you would do anyway. Like, I just want to shout out Angie Nixon on succeeding. No, congratulations to Angie. And we're doing that work. But also there is a certain level of, there is a certain level of the work that we do

34:15as black men in our communities day in and day out. Right? It's the support that people don't know that you were with Johanna Hayes or they don't know that you were with Lisa Blunt Rochester or they don't know that you were with the Senate candidate in Maryland or they don't, I mean, I just, I want a step, but. But be that your responsibility to share it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I don't, that's why I'm trying to get to the point that, I feel like conversations like these are way more healthy. Because what happens is, what happens is when you have a comment here, when you have a comment there, when you create content, we're all content creators, right? Their narratives out there to get spun this way, that way, people call you all types of names. They're in your DMs. People like, why you hate this woman? And I'm like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm maxing out. I don't hate her. I'm making this is what it is. And so my only point is that as, as while, yeah, protection goes two ways too.

35:19And I want people to understand that. Protection definitely goes two ways. And yes, the messages, Bacari sellers do a better job of protecting, protecting Angie Nixon, even though she probably don't want it or need it, I hear, I hear that and I receive it. But I'm also saying that as we are responsible creators, we have to make sure that the allies that we have the people who we know, we might disagree with each other 15, 20% of the time, but I also know that I'm always bet on black, right? That's going to be, that's going to be where we end. Because my goal was to make sure we have a Senate that can help black folk. And so if I missed the mark in my comments, I can completely hear that, but I just want to make sure that whether or not we jumping on lower loom in who looks different every year, right? She's just an unattractive person. Okay, you should condemn lower loomers comments that will get trouble for that too. Inside, inside, inside. But some things, I mean, like some things is just like, not be done as soon as I mean. The next headline is going to be like, Bacari on his own podcast did not. They're going to be like, they're going to say Jasmine, Crockett and Telerik and Bacari

36:22so let's team up against James Telerik. And I'm like, I'm just, I'm not even, I'm just out here just trying to do what's right, Miss Nikki free. But I do want to say that I appreciate you because you did not have to give your time. It is the most valuable thing that you have. I hope people do subscribe to your platform. You don't owe me any favors. But if you do clip a clip, can you please clip the whole thing next time? I just showed you the one part of the clip. Yeah, I want to get the backside of it. I'll make a list of it. And I promise you, it is in you. I agree with you. It is important to have these type conversations. And when you all reached out and asked me to come on, I wasn't going to shy away from it because I want to make sure that you understood my where I was coming from in the context in which I heard your comments. And then when my phone started ringing and other people interpreted your comments the same way I did, then I said, you know what, let me make this video. And I appreciate you all reaching out and us having this conversation because now I better understand where you're coming from.

37:23But I do think the Democratic Party should not waste time. Should not, should not spend time. So they should, you should, yeah, should spend time in Florida and in some of these other states. Don't give up on the South. Come on, Andre, Andre Dickens said in Atlanta about the DNC, don't give up on the South. We are doing the work down here. We really are, well, I'm in California today, but we are doing the work and trying to make sure that our voices are heard and that we have great candidates. We are, black people are the backbone of the Democratic Party, gifts of some infrastructure, give us some resources to get the job done. And let's do it. Let's do it 24 seven year round and let's not just wait until that, that's, that's, that's my biggest. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for joining and welcome home. Thank you, Nikki. Welcome home. Thank you, guys. Native Lam pod is a production of I Heart Radio and partnership with Reason Choice Media.

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