This Guy Healed Knee Arthritis *Without* Surgery (& Chest-Pressed 555lbs For 14 Reps) - Cellular Hydration Secrets With John Jubilee

0:00My name is Ben Greenfield and I'm this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast. I learned at a young age you can't buy your health so I began this health journey when I was about 27 years old. For 10 years I tried everything and I was 20 pounds dehydrated. Now the dilemma became how do you actually get that hydration inside the cells? And so I basically created a protocol for myself to follow. Steady healthy habits that we teach in this protocol and I just live it as an example. Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist and nutritionist and I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity and beyond. My podcast guest today is kind of a crazy guy. John Jubilee, he has a chest press world record of

1:00555 pounds for 14 reps. He had bone on bone in his knees and figured out how to basically regrow his cartilage using the tactics that we talk about on today's show. And he is kind of an expert on what he calls intracellular hydration. This one's interesting. All the show notes are going to be at Ben Greenfield Life.com slash Jubilee, J-U-B-I-L-E-E. Let's go talk with John. John, you actually, I think we're introduced to me by a guy whose podcasts have done a couple of times down in Vegas. It's named Sean Kelly and he's like, dude, you got your other guy, John. He's got a great story and some really interesting and novel thoughts, particularly around the concept of cellular hydration. I'm like, okay, great. You know, it's giving another guy talking about drinking water and electrolytes. And I kind of stalked you a little bit and listen to some

2:00other interviews that you've done and checked out your website. You have a pretty unique approach, so I'm stoked to get into it. Yeah, well, it was game changer for me. That's for sure. But more importantly, at this point in time, I think we're in the tens of thousands, 50, 60, 70,000, people's lives that we've been able to impact with this breakthrough science. And interestingly, everybody's drinking more water, right? They're doing that. And as a scientist, I always ask people a question, how's that working for you? It's not really working for people. You know, they can drink all the water they want. But I like to keep things simple for people, Ben, and I say, you know, look at your cells. Your cells basically are as hard as a glass marble. Once you get past about 35 years old, oxidative stress and just the cellular transformation that happens in a cell, it gets hard like a glass marble. And so all that water is really just bouncing off. Those supplements are

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7:18That's drmeri M-U-R-R-R-A-Y dot com slash Ben and use 25 at check out. The product is called thymocwin. Get into that a little bit for me. The link between age and this glass marble effect that you described. I don't know if you mean that literally, if you could enlarge a cell and tap it with a hammer, if it literally would be harder or if you're just using a metaphor, but I'd love to hear your description of this link between age and cellular hydration and this so-called glass marble effect. Yeah, well, and really, unfortunately, because of all the seed oils and the 5, 10, 20, 30 ingredients, they put in every type of food now. All of those are also like hardners to a cell. A cell has two membranes around it. So it's already tough enough because it's being protected by two membranes. But then when you start putting all of these artificial ingredients and man-made things in there, basically, it's no different than when they put a

8:25hardener in paint, they put a hardener in glue all these things. It's basically the same thing is happening to our cells. So yes, they really are just like a marble. So you're supplemented it, your water hits it, it just bouncing, it's bouncing off of that thing. So you mean like, like kind of the concept that something like a rancid, let's say, heavily fried oil, might be the actual fatty acid that is used to comprise something like the cell membrane. And in that case, you have either a dysfunctional or a porous cell membrane that doesn't function properly in terms of like nutrients and minerals going in and out of the cell. Well, exactly, right? The number one thing a human body is designed to do is survive. And so all of those cells are like danger, dangerous red lights are going off. As all these artificial ingredients are coming, they're saying,

9:27hey, let's not let that stuff in. And as that happens, and again, the age is decreasing, you know, you got young kids now, you know, think about it. In my generation, there wasn't, there wasn't anybody that had diabetes, you know, as a kid. And now it's an epidemic. I diabetes, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease obesity. Obesity, yeah, hey, nobody was fat. Nobody was fat when I was in, you know, there was always one fat kid in the whole school, you know, there was one fat kid in the whole school. And so all of those are new things really to this generation. And by the way, that's part of what, you know, Sean Kelly, you know, brought up, you know, he's a he's a younger guy, of course. And, you know, and I asked him, what's the, what's the biggest challenges of your generation? And I was shocked when he said that about one in three are on an anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medication already. And they have low testosterone levels. They have no sex drive. And of course, all of that, the

10:32root cause of all of those issues and 99% of issues is cellular dehydration. It's the dehydration. So everyone's heard of inflammation, right? They've all heard of inflammation and they know inflammation is a problem. But do you know that inflammation cannot exist where there is cellular hydration? They cannot coexist. Like you walk into a dark room and turn the light on, darkness is gone. You put cellular hydration in a body inflammation is gone. And if I can just give people a word picture here, because again, I love to make things simple for people. Think about the word inflammation in flames. So basically inflammation is like it's like a wild forest fire. You know, California, we have a lot of fires out here. It's like a wild California forest fire. That's what inflammation is. And when all those flames are going on in your body and they're not supposed to be

11:35there, the body goes into survival mode. And it takes what little hydration you do have in your cells, like the fire department, you know, in the old days, they just, you know, get the bucket line going. It takes the buckets of water out of your cells to try to fight the inflammation. But of course, it's not doing anything. Those little buckets of water on a forest fire. And that's but that's how the body gets dehydrated at the cellular level. Once we have inflammation, the body automatically is going to go into cellular dehydration. Yeah, that kind of makes sense, especially when you look at the link between like inflammation and say free radical production because, you know, if you look at water, it's not necessarily like there's a fire in your cells and the water is literally dusting the fire. But water gets split into, well, like hydrogen. So like two water molecules would get split into four hydrogens, a couple of oxygens. And four electrons. And then those electrons can be used as a sort of

12:35electron acceptor or as a way to fuel the electron transport chain in a way that might upregulate energy and fight inflammation. So it makes sense what you're saying. But I think the issue from what I understand as far as like your core model is that the water is not getting into the cells. So the cells are appropriately hydrated. And I want to hear a little bit more about like how you'd fix that. But I actually want to rewind first. I'm very curious like what actually got you into this. Like what was the light bulb moment when it comes to the idea of cellular hydration being the root cause of a lot of the stuff you talk about? No, that's a great question. And it really been where this came from is is my own personal pain and my own personal health journey. So I was a very successful banker. I had over a hundred bank branches when I was 30 years old. And it's very financially successful. And however I learned at a young age you can't buy your health.

13:36And so I played a lot of sports when I was younger, you know football, basketball, and played a lot of street ball also. And I had no cartilage left in my knees. Asphalt's pretty unforgiving man. Right. It's brutally unforgiving. And so I had no cartilage left in my knees. So I began this health journey when I was about 27 years old. You know to try to do the right thing. So I drank a gallon of water a day like they say to do. I drank the gallon of water. You know I did the low carb, no carb, you know all those things. Today they call it the keto diet back then they call it the Atkins diet. I tried all that stuff for 10 years. I tried everything. And after that 10 years and I was spending a thousand dollars a month on supplements. So I was taking my supplements, you know doing my hour of cardio a day, lift them, wait, drinking a gallon of water. And still I had high blood pressure. I had hypertension.

14:36You know I my waist was about 10 inches too big. You know thankfully I wore a suit every day so it hit it pretty good. But the worst thing been was that bone on bone, you know that's painful every step of your life. And by the way just just interrupt you okay trust me I know because I've had bone on bone in both of my knees in the past. I've addressed it in some ways that are I think maybe different than your protocol. Specifically I kind of went to stem cell root. But but yeah like for anybody who has an experience like what it feels like to not actually have the cartilage there, it literally feels like you have like a little cut inside you but it's not a cut you can put a bandaid on. Yeah right every step step of pain. And so in that pain, you know I got frustrated and I said hey I'm gonna go do my own research here. I mean I'm not a smart guy man but I'm a gifted guy. You know I was born with a photographic memory. I tested out of 12 years of college math in 45 minutes. I just have a unique processor. And so I took those God-given gifts to research

15:39science anatomy biology. And I started finding all this you know medical research that's been done but nobody ever really connected these dots quite in this way because you know I'm a bottom line kind of guy and I just skip to the bottom. And so I went to the bottom line and said well wait a minute we're basically like a big bag of water and cells. And it makes sense to me that if my cells are healthy everything's going to be healthy. And how do you make a cell healthy? Oh well you have to hydrate it. Now this is a really interesting part. So I call all my doctors and I said hey how hydrated am I? And I got the same answer from every one of them. I don't know I don't know I don't know. I don't know. Doctors don't measure hydration. It's the most important health marker in the human body. It's more important than our A1C than triglycerides than cholesterol which are most important health marker. And I thought well this is crazy well I'm going to measure it. So I

16:39started going on line. This is 1997 by the way. It cost 11,000 dollars in 1997 to buy a device to measure my cellular hydration. Okay and I'm assuming like you're talking about something more advanced and like a urine allosist stick that shows you like specific gravity and pH and like the color of your urine you must be eluding to something more advanced than that. Yeah the key is you know by the way even today the device that measures the best for intracellular and extracellular hydration which as you know are two different measurements. That device is $31,000. Real quick are you talking about you say the device because I think the only device I've seen that might be what you're talking about is I've been in a medical clinic before where they have an in body analysis that measures the base angle and cellular hydration. So you're talking about something like that. Yeah so that technology in 1997 the closest thing they had to it was $11,000. I measured my cellular hydration

17:46and now remember I'm drinking a gallon of water a day for 10 years and I was 20 pounds dehydrated. 20. A gallon of water weighs 8.3 pounds so I was more than two gallons low of what I should have been in my cells. So even though that was you know very frustrating of thinking are you kidding me? I'm drinking a gallon of water a day and I am 20 pounds low on hydration then if I'm dehydrated everybody has to be dehydrated and I was taking all myself of it's $1,000 of that supplements. But the good news was at least I was on to something and I recognized okay you know this is it you know now now the dilemma became how do you actually get that hydration inside the cells? And so I basically created a protocol for myself to follow that would be transformative to those cellular membranes to basically convert those from being hardest glass marble to pour us like a sponge

18:51and low and behold it worked. So I gained 20 pounds of inter-sailer hydration. I also gained 15 to 20 pounds of lean muscle by the way during this you know I went through this for about one year by the way a little less than a year about 10 months. So 10 months I'm doing this protocol and now by the way Ben it's gotten better you know I have an 88 day protocol that I put people on you know because that's one of the cellular cycles of a human body is 88 days and so I tell people look just do this follow this for 88 days and and here's what's going to happen to you you're going to gain your inner cellular hydration you're going to gain lean muscle of course you know muscle 75% water so so you are naturally going to gain your lean muscle when you're gaining your interest cellular hydration you're going to lose visceral and subcutaneous fat if you have fat to lose you know about 75% of our clients they want to lose fat 25% are elite you know they're like you they're great

19:57athletes they're muscular but they'll also increase their strength 50% in 88 days by just doing this protocol because when you like you were breaking it down it's a power of a hydrogen bomb inside your muscle when you push more inter-sailer hydration in there so you can't help but get stronger and the fourth promise is they will improve and or reverse any stated health or medical condition that they have and and the reason I can guarantee those four things then is the first 11 years 11 years when I was helping people I stayed in banking by the way but I would I would spend you know eight hours a day helping people with their health just as a a noble cause this was my pure path and God wait when did you sleep between banking in eight hours a day you know what and I I only had to spend a couple hours a day I had a big team so I spent about two hours a day in banking I spent eight hours a day helping people for 11 years but in 11 years

20:59this is these were the results every person reversed whatever their health condition was all the immune disorders spinal stenosis rheumatoid arthritis bone on bone in their knee their hip their shoulder limes disease crone disease you name it it reverse and the other thing was though everyone hit these markers because I was measuring everybody everybody gained their cellular hydration they gained lean muscle and and by the way the average person just in 88 days lost 40 pounds of fat without losing one drop of water or one ounce of muscle the word ultra gets thrown around quite a bit for right reason it means typically something good is happening but in the case of the ultra pouch we're talking about something brand new this is a pouch that isn't nicotine right you may have seen a lot of people with little cans in their back pockets and sometimes it's tobacco and sometimes it's nicotine and nicotine can cause some issues heartburn high blood pressure erectile

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26:13electrolytes are important but what are you doing beyond just like that basic strategy that a lot of people will recommend when it comes to cellular hydration yeah well again i listen i i am for all of those things but but my experience is you know nobody is going to gain their intercellular hydration no matter what minerals what electrolytes what supplements you know that they're taking so again now now my experiences with tens of thousands of documented uh you know cases and we are fully medically approved by the way you know HSA FSA care credit you know all of that by the way when you say we your company is called energized health right correct and and we have hundreds of doctors that have been through our protocol more than a thousand nurses and they say they say you guys crack the coat you guys crack the coat they said you know what we went to med school for 12 years they taught us to treat a symptom but you guys are going to the root cause you know this

27:18is mind boggling i wish i would have learned this in med school there's a doctor on the front of my website dr. Ryan Taylor had irreversible kidney disease six doctors told him he can only manage it and just try to slow it down and this guy heard me speak in Las Vegas Nevada came up to me and he said you know i'm i'm really disturbed hearing you make these these bold claims and i said well dr. Taylor i'm not making any claim i'm only sharing empirical evidence of real clients and real results i make no claims whatsoever he said well you'd probably tell me you could reverse my irreversible kidney failure and i said well dr. Taylor were standing in Las Vegas i'll tell you what i'll bet you a million dollars we can reverse it he said well he said i'm not going to bet you a million dollars but i am going to do your program he said he goes but i really believe you're going to have to refund my money he said because i just can't believe six doctors can be wrong and whatever

28:24your 88 day protocol is you really think this can reverse it well he's on the front of my website and his words not mine he said i cannot explain medically how this reversed but it absolutely reversed you're telling people to do more than just drink more water i realized like you have a program you sell access to it and you don't have to like give away all the secrets here but i would love to hear at least a few of the strategies like what you can share as far as what you do absolutely and it really is it's you know it's 12 specific things in a sequence with an interval that that we basically become the health GPS turn right turn left go straight we give people very specific steps and look the first three steps i hope everyone's already doing these three steps but the first eight steps the first eight steps that we share someone like you you're probably already doing the eight steps maybe so so what we call our elite our elite people do it for the

29:29last four steps so i have NBA NBA players i have professional football players professional baseball players i have bodybuilders and i'm talking you know top world champion weight lifters those guys do it because they want to optimize you know their best and everyone's going to be optimized you know through cellular health but the first three steps for everyone is water walk nutrition you know you're not going to get hydrated by drinking water but you can't get hydrated without it you know so you at least have to develop a healthy habit of drinking your water so that down the road when you're on step seven through twelve and that cell starts transforming like a sponge now that hydration can get in and not only does hydration get in bend but it pushes out all the inflammation and all the toxins out of the body and and by the way john do you nerd out on like you know like alkaline water or structured water or reverse osmosis like like do you wind up

30:30making a specific recommendation on the type of water absolutely not okay absolutely not and you'll get a kick out of this i was invited to the united nations to the special chamber the united nations for a science and and wealth summit i sap aside uh dr. pyracone uh and steve forbs you know steve forbs was there to talk about wealth and i'm there to talk about science and when dr. pyracone heard me share he won't partner with me on his hydrogen water company he said oh my gosh no one in the world knows the science that you're talking about he said we need a partner he said i've already put ten million dollars into this hydrogen water and i'll partner with you and i just smiled at him and put my hand on his shoulder and said uh dr. pyracone there's nothing magical about your water you know your water is not going to penetrate a cell any better than tap water it's not the water it's the cell and i'll share one other quick story just to validate

31:32the science i had the top guys in the world of the kangan water machine come to my house for three hours and go through their whole thing when they got done man i said hey would you guys mind if i measured your hydration the ultimate test they said well or yeah you can measure our hydration i said okay well how long you've been drinking this reverse osmosis ionized water they said 10 years i said how much do you drink two gallons a day i said wow that's impressive i measured their hydration they were 12 and 15 pounds low on their hydration when you say you measured their hydration where you doing like a phase angle measurement yeah so the the device that i have that i give to all my clients is within one percent accuracy of the in body so it's not a hundred but it's 99 it's close enough it's close enough to get a good measurement are you able to share which device you use yeah so it's a very specific renfo now now i'll just share with the audience here i order devices

32:40from all over the world and i compared them all to the thirty thousand dollar in body device and fascinatingly it was alarming that there were devices been that were off by 20 to 30 percent i'm talking devices that cost three hundred dollars and they were ridiculously you know far off but there is there is a renfo device you know and i'll be happy to you know that we'll we share it with everybody by the way we fed x all of our clients you know one of them you just did renfo like r-e-n-f-o r-e-n-p-h-o i'll put a link in the show notes by the way people listening to show notes are been greenfieldlife.com slash jubilee john's last name but i'll all include that info so use the renfo on these guys you did the phasing of measurement and they were like multiple gallons off yeah no they're they're all completely dehydrated at two gallons a day of reverse osmosis ionized water and then of course i got on there and showed them you know i'm 20 pounds more hydrated

33:42and i drink way less water you know once you get hydrated you know you don't even have to drink a gallon a day to stay hydrated it's like filling up a glass once you fill up your glass and your cells are hydrated you don't have to drink you know crazy water like that you can drink a reasonable amount and stay completely hydrated i'm 62 percent by the way 60 is perfect for a man 55 is perfect for a woman but there is no magic water and and Ben i'm i'm going to share it because it's just real science so i heard all these people saying how horrible tap water is and i thought you know i'm completely hydrated i'm super healthy my immune system is super boosted and optimized because of this cellular health i've been sick for 29 years and i thought i'm going to try drinking tap water and see if it does anything to me so i drank tap water for one year for two years for three years it smells bad it tastes bad i drank it for three years and

34:43guess what i never got sick one day and i stayed completely hydrated and i'm part of that by the way might depend on your municipality like it kind of goes both ways a lot of fancy bottled water is just tap water and like for example i lived in spokane washington for a while i'm going to well now but like that was a city that actually didn't florida at their water and had decent tap water measurement i i think there are like levels of cleanliness in tap water like from what i understand for example like loss angeles is supposed to be not that great i don't know what you were drinking but basically it sounds to me like you're saying like just drinking fancy filtered structured water whatever is not the number one key to cellular hydration and that's all that's all i'm saying to people don't get hung up on the water focus on the cell focus on the cell so so your water and look just just like right now you know you're you're you're taking a walk which i love that i walk from a stale my podcast right now i love it i love it so people need to get

35:47their self-in-motion you know there's a scientific principle that an object emotion tends to stay in motion and so think about it people get older what do they do they stop moving as much as they used to move so it is key to get yourself moving and so i recommend first thing in the morning on an empty stomach get up get up and get moving and i will share one of our little secrets you know here here with people so so lean in guys this is a secret so when you're out there on your walk get up on the balls of your feet for a minute get up on the balls of your feet for a minute and then walk for five minutes and then get up on the balls of your feet for another minute and then walk for five minutes and get up on the balls of your feet your calf muscles are your second and third heart and it total it it dynamically enhances the circulation dynamically enhances it because now you're getting that full circulation that you're supposed to have and

36:48you're getting you know ten times better the blood flow just by getting up on the balls of your feet yeah and then and then you're spot on there's even a study a couple years ago that found that seated calf raises literally like activating the soleus muscle even if you're on an airplane reduce blood sugar like just that my own pumping of the calves i'm going to one up you though john i went on a walk this morning i try and finish the last five minutes of any walk that i go on walking backwards it's kind of like an old like knee protection proprioceptive awareness like tibialis training technique so i'm not only on the walk on the balls of your feet bandwagon but also walk backwards sometimes well see it that's why Ben you would be in our elite program so i can walk backwards we teach those principles in in the elite program okay cool people go we're trying to reach the masses first yeah i want to reach the masses that we you know look 70% of americans are 30 pounds or more overweight we have the highest drug use

37:50america uses 75% of the world's pharmaceutical drugs we are the crazy crazyest pill pop in nation on the planet and so we're trying to help people and we've helped tens of thousands get off all their medication lose all their fat you know have their best health and and again that that's what the masses need so the guys the water get your walk in getting up on the balls of your feet and then on your nutrition i say keep it simple out of the gate and by simple just cut out two things just two things just cut out your sugar cut out your white flour when white flour touches human saliva turns into pure table sugar and that's going to turn off your fat burning switch and do some other really negative things but if you'll just start with the basic just okay i'm gonna i'm gonna eat food i love but i'm just gonna cut out sugar and white flour those are three keys that every person can do today you can implement those three things today and i and of course i don't i don't

38:52want you to uh give away all the secrets because i know you you make a living by teaching this stuff to people on your website but i have on good authority i think as i heard you talking about on a podcast and we briefly emailed about it that you're a fan of msm which is like a sulfur based compound i actually even like started putting a little like like a quarter of a teaspoon into my glass of water in the morning that that's kind of like a part of your program yeah it is but i want to encourage people this before you spend money on msm open up yourself so you can get the efficacy the benefit of the msm and the reason i am an absolute 30-year advocate of msm and again i'm gonna tell people though you know before you you know before a million people go out and buy it it's not gonna help you if you don't open up your cell like spud but when you're doing that let me tell you something the water you're drinking every day been you said you have a well right yep all well water on the planet earth is pre-loaded with

39:59msm every stream every natural water supply on the planet earth when god made water he did not make h2o water is not h2o not god water god water is h2o msm there is no natural water on the planet earth that does not have methyl succulinate methane in it and i say if god put that in his recipe we should not be taking it out but every municipality in the world takes msm out of the water because it is software base so it has a bitter taste to it and it has a smell to it and people don't want that in their water what's quantum energy well it's the energy that exists in everything every unit of matter contains quantum energy and every person constantly interacts with other quantum energy fields and your energy field can be affected some say disrupted by a lot of the toxic stress that is thrown at our bodies every day in many cases with modern technology that creates

41:05electromagnetic pollution um e-mf's or something you may have heard of and no i'm not telling you to throw away your phone and move to some pristine himely and mountain top but you can look into this thing called the quantum upgrade uh they documented a 29% increase in ATP production uh when comparing the use of the quantum upgrade in the presence of electromagnetic pollution versus not having it there now i'm no quantum scientist but i do know that quantum entaglement isn't limited by distance or time so you can use this thing anywhere you'd like at home while traveling New York Tokyo you name it you have your own login and the stash board where you get to choose the frequencies uh you get to choose the type of quantum experience you desire and if you're skeptical uh you can actually try this for free uh you get a 15 day free trial when you go to quantum upgrade.io and use the code ben15 that's quantum upgrade.io use the code ben15 i've been running one on my home

42:12i think i'm going on about two and a half years now um and my phone and my body uh and it's uh it's very very interesting uh and it's definitely worth exploring so quantum upgrade.io with the code ben15 i've spent 20 years measuring and optimizing everything about my body deep performance metrics cold stress heat stress sleep scores blood panels peptide protocols testosterone telemiers v02 max you name it and somewhere in the middle of building what looked like uh perfect life almost lost the life that i was building it for boundless the man who became human is a brand new feature documentary that follows what happened when the optimization framework that i spent two decades constructing ran headlong into the things that metrics could never measure my marriage

43:14my sons my face the private archive footage in this documentary has never been seen publicly. some of it i debated even including at all it shows basically the worst of what happens when longevity becomes the ultimate goal and how you and i can turn that around to become fulfilled by what's truly important in life now this is not just another biohacking film it's an honest look at what it costs to chase the ceiling on human performance told through real footage of one family my family finding that out boundless is now available for pre order on apple tv right in your own living room with the full film dropping soon you can reserve your copy check out the trailer and a whole lot more at boundless dot dot com that's boundless doc dot com i think i think it's in some like if i go to my wife's parents house and take a shower there you can smell the sulfur i don't know if some

44:17municipalities differ in terms of the method of sulfonil methane that they do or don't take out of the water but do you think it's a pretty good sign like if you smell the water and it's sulfurous that what you're smelling is msm it is a fish natural water i guarantee every municipality has taken it out yeah they're they're taking it out for sure and and maybe for other reasons not just because it smells and tastes bad but they're taking it out because it's super healthy for us i mean if god made water that way that means since we were babies we're supposed to be drinking msm every day of our life we're supposed to be bathing in it absorbing it through our skin it is an incredible anti-inflammatory and i do recommend it to everybody everybody should be on msm and everyone should get healthy cells that will absorb msm and and then can people just hear us or can they see us they can see us okay so look guys if

45:20if you can see me you know look i'm a all natural guy i'm no testosterone i'm no peptides i'm no hgh i don't have any fillers you know in my face you don't have any gray hair i don't have gray hair wait as a as a part of this spiel john tell people how old you're 65 65 years old i'm not blowing smoke you look like you're 40 well thank you and guess what look and that happens to me everywhere i go i get carted people people say no blanket way let me see your driver's license i mean i and i love to show them to say hey guess what guys don't be a hater because i'm a grape not a reason you know Ben what's the difference between a grape and a reason this hydration side-drain shit and that's what i tell people they're like man i can't believe your skin i go dude i'm just i'm just a great that's all i got some hydration in there and think about when you see little old people why do they become little old people do you guys know people shrink

46:22people literally shrink two three four five inches they shrink why because they're shriveling up like a raisin because they lost their hydration Ben do you know i have clients that grow i have clients that grow you do you think that's because of like osteoblastic actual bone growth activity or you think it's like they're kind of like plumping up you know in terms of like you know you mentioned the muscle containing 75 percent water basically almost like expansion of the muscles and therefore expansion of the of the skin and so almost like a slight yeah like raising the grape effect i'm not plump i'm plumpin them up in a healthy way and i want people thinking out it's fat right they're losing their fat but but they're spying that shriveled up and decompressed the inflammation is gone and they stretch back out and that's where they're growing it's because they're spying that compressed because there could be an effect on disc hydration right that's exactly right so people don't realize how much hydration how how powerful it is in the disc

47:26that's why people with 20 30 year neck and back pain reverse it on this protocol because they get their healthy disc hydration in there and it decompresses the spine and those nerve endings are released and the pain is gone that's uh opt into much better strategy than back surgery so so you're 65 i got to ask you this because you also look like you're you're somewhat jacks do you lift weights i lift weights twice a week for about 30 minutes i lift weights twice a week for about 30 minutes and again i really i'm not a weightlifter Ben i'm not a weightlifter but i but i am a believer in resistance training because as you know just recently in the last couple years uh every study on longevity says longevity is tied to pretty much one thing strength the stronger you are the longer and better higher quality of life that you're going to lift and so you know again i'm i'm not a weightlifter you know 30 30 minutes four days a week you know

48:32that i'm doing you know just in back and bicep and tricep but i will say something interesting i read a scripture in the bible due to ronomy 33 25 in 1997 and it said as your years are so shall your strength be and i thought well that's interesting it looks like we're supposed to get stronger as we get older and so i kind of just set a little goal for myself to gain one pound on my bench press i thought i'm gonna try to gain one pound a month one pound a month this is like the old Greek mythological tale of the guy who lifts the calf every day right yeah but that's really happened one pound a month isn't very much like when did you start doing that no in 1997 so i could bench press 200 pounds twice okay and i just said hey i'm just gonna try to increase a pound a month like that's so easy right it's such a small amount of weight but but it's that was 1997 that was 29 29 years ago and interestingly you know i've done it you know i've done it now once i

49:42got once i got over about 350 pounds on my bench press you know i did go to a hammer strength because you know most people don't realize because they don't have this problem but do you know the bar buckles you know it gets a wobble to it once you get over about 350 pounds and you could tweak your shoulder so once i got over about 350 then i started going to the hammer strength you know for my my heavier because it still is a free weight machine by the way oh yeah totally hammer hammer strength is a great yeah i can say that's be functional training so what'd you get up to on bench press 554 14 reps no 14 reps 14 reps 55 is a freaking one rm for those people you you 14 reps i did 14 reps so gold gold gym said it was a world record i got a certified world record holy mo how old were you when you did that 63 no way wow i don't know if that's a testament to your program or your genetics or maybe both but that's pretty impressive

50:46definitely not my genetics because again i mean i i've never looked this good in my whole life not even in my 20s and never been this strong i totally attributed 100% to cellular hydration and just those steady healthy habits that we teach in this protocol and i just live it as an example did you ever have bone on bone oh 100% both of my knees band if i walked into your house you could hear me walking in you know snap crackle pop snap crackle pop you know my my bankers affectionately called me mr rice christmese because when i walked into a board meeting i'd be snap crackling and poppin yeah it's called it's called called crepidus in sports medicine how is it now smoothest silk i can i for fun go to a football stadium and i run at the top and i run at the bottom you know i run across the bleachers for one hour up and down for an hour smoothest silk like a high school kid well you know i haven't done a phasingal measurement in a while the last in body that i did

51:48i was pretty decent i had bone on bone it was worse in my left knee i did get a stem cell infusion in that left knee i rucked with 60 pounds straight uphill and then straight back downhill this morning and i've been doing that three times a week tennis twice a week pickable twice a week and technically the last doctor who looked at my both my knee MRI said i had full blown arthritis in both knees now i don't know how much of your program i'm like accidentally doing some of the things you've mentioned i definitely do you talked about walking nutrition water i have the well water and in my other house as well as well so i guess i was getting msn before i was even adding it to the water but in terms of your own program you know like benching what you bench and doing what you do and having the silky smooth knees are there any other like insider tips or secrets that you can share with

52:48people yeah i'll i'll love to share one people don't think about which is a cellular trauma so you know people don't stop and think about you know the fact that you know we are a triune being you know we we are a spirit we have a soul we live in a body and all three have to be healthy to truly have real health real health so we've all heard of you know health experts they dropped that at 70 years old just like everybody else you know well well why they were eating perfect diets they're training perfectly how do they drop dead at 70 years old well because they never dealt with their cellular trauma so people if if your parents have had it there's a study called the ACE study and you could go online it's just ACE and you could take this test you know take a one minute but you go through this test band of you know did you have alcoholic in your family or your parents get a divorce or there's some kind of abuse there you're just a list of 10 things and

53:53then you you give yourself the score for your life but then it's one thing to get the score it's another thing to deal with that cellular trauma so my wife and I both had you know horrific cellular trauma you know from and most of it comes from our childhood by the way but then we just grow up and we just kind of stuff it in the closet we don't deal with it so you know both of my brothers I had two brothers both of my brothers were murdered you know I was in 20 life and death circumstances when I was growing up I grew up hard you know in some very traumatic situations and then of course when someone murders your brother you you want to kill that person you know so now you have this bitterness this anger this hatred resentment you know that you lost your brothers so I had personally deal with that kind of trauma my wife was sexually abused for seven years of her life from like five to 13 years old and so she had all of this horrific cellular trauma

54:57but because we have dealt with that ourselves in our own life we help our clients to a we say look this is not about just you know drink it some water and doing some exercise and doing a diet no we got to go deep what's really in there if you want to really be healthy you've got to have a healthy mind and a healthy spirit and you're only going to help a healthy mind and spirit if you deal with the cellular trauma of your life um it is part of that for you tied to any type of religious practice or spiritual practice well for me personally it is for me personally it is now we don't we don't make it a mandatory part of them you know doing necessarily what we did you know I personally had an encounter with Jesus Christ you know when I was 11 years old and I did not grow up in a church family at all my family was not religious and didn't go to church we didn't have a Bible in our house and but I had a supernatural encounter at 11 years old and I really believe

56:01that's what caused me to make different decisions you know I never drank alcohol or did a drug or you know I didn't make the same choices my brothers you know made but I love my brothers I have empathy for them because we grew up so hard they were just trying to mass their pain you know that they had but yes for me personally I would 100% say my faith and my relationship with Jesus Christ was a big part of me dealing with my cellular trauma being able to release and forgive and get that out of myself at the cellular level yeah I think that's the power of I'm a Christian I think that's the power of Christianity is you you you can basically lay all your guilt and shame and fear and regrets at the feet of Jesus Christ and as long as you believe that he was a deity and he became a human any died for your sins it's literally that simple a lot of people think there's all these hoops you have to jump through it's like no you actually just just pray and believe and uh

57:05that's it obviously the difficult part about that is it takes faith and it feels a little bit woo-woo and magical but that's what faith is so that's super cool that you've that you've kind of locked that in as something that's helped you with the cellular trauma the program like the energized health program you said 88 days so it's kind of like the the journey for people as they they join on a website or something like that and they get a series of modules or videos yeah so they all start out with just a breakthrough call they get on they talk to somebody I have no salespeople in my company but I just have real people you know some of them are 20 and 30 year nurses been that they they quit nursing after they experienced this they said hey I got into nursing to make people healthy and this really makes people healthy you know truly at the cellular level and so so then once they decide to enter into the 88 day program every day they have a video of Chelsea and I and you guys my Chelsea Chelsea is my wife Chelsea Chelsea is my wife band and my wife is brilliant

58:10and she's funny and she's so fun she makes science entertaining so every day there's a daily video of myself and Chelsea you have a coaching call you know once a week every Tuesday night Chelsea and I also do a large coaching call so everybody gets us every day and then they get us once a week and then they have a coach you know that they're meeting with once a week as well to keep them on track and again most of the people they only need the 88 days but if they're like me and they have a more serious issue then we just call it doing another round so they'll do another round of the 88 days for me to completely rebuild my cartilage you know that was three rounds that was three rounds three and a half rounds to do that but but you can attest right if it took if it took you less than a year to get back and by the way I have two and a half centimeters of cartilage I have no arthritis in my body anywhere it's worth it right best best better than a near placement

59:15yeah so 29 years later I've got these perfect knees I never had to have a knee replacement and so so it really is a lifetime program so people have access to us for a lifetime on their Tuesday night coaching call and all their resources it really is a lifetime program well I will I know you gave me like a discount code and stuff that people could use so I'll put all that at bengreenfieldlife.com slash Jubilee it's such a cool story and and something that just flies under the radar I know when it comes to the idea of things like you know walking and MSM and you know your nutrition protocol the avoidance of sugar it's it's a it's super interesting I find it fascinating and I know that a lot of people who are steeped in alopathic medicine might find it hard to believe but you've got a lot testimonials man so you're doing something right well again that's the joy of our life is tens of thousands of people and if you go research us online

1:00:17at the better business bureau or trust pilot any of those things you'll pretty much see this I know I I tried because I wanted to find out if you were a cook before I interviewed you and you actually like it's very difficult to dig up anything bad about your program so so that that convinced me to have you on the show actually well hey I'll I'll run up you it's impossible there's not one negative comment out there yeah yeah yeah without one negative comment out there people say it sounded too good to be true but but it changed my life because that's all we do Ben as we it's a joy of our life to get to share with people hey here's something that's it's simple and it's sustainable it'll really laugh you for your whole whole life and we have a lot of joy helping people to get healthy and never get sick again and get off all those meds well folks Ben Greenfield Life dot com slash Jubilee as John's last name juby i le his program as you can see if you're watching the video the sign behind him is energized health and if you want to check it out I check out the show notes I'll link to all

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