The Werewolf of Warwick, Rhode Island

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1:05somebody who did hit the contact button and get a hold of me is here with us, Jamie, welcome to the From the Shadows podcast. So you're going to tell a story that takes it may be one of the first, quote unquote dog man stories, that I mean, it's one of it's probably it's obviously the earliest one I have heard about. So I want you to, you know, just go ahead, share, I mean, I know it's not yours, it's your mom's story. But tell us tell us this, you know, where this happened and the time frame and like what she experienced. Okay, so just to start off, my mom used to tell this story, you know, when I was growing up, I had heard it a few times that she saw these red eyes, you know, she was looking out the window when I choose the kid and she saw these red eyes and, you know, next thing that came up to the window,

2:10and you know, she saw them again when she was like 15, and you know, years and years and I was like, wow, you know, all of those, I always heard this red eyes thing. So I didn't think much of it. Early 2000s, I heard about Beast of Grey Road, Dog Man, all those things and really wanted, no, is this real, has been chasing down the story. Come to find out about a few years ago, you know, I asked my mom about those red eyes and she said, well, the way this story went was that it was the summer of, I want to say 1959, she was born in 1953, so it hadn't, she was six, she said, and it had to be 1959. She lived in Warwick, Rhode Island, never heard any Dog Man stories there. So I guess her being a little kid, it was summer back then, nobody had AST,

3:10we barely had AST in the 70s, so I'm imagining that to the screen, oh, the window opened and just the screen, since how summers were, she happened to wake up, go to the restroom, go back to her room, just picked out the window, and you know, if the moon was full, you can see pretty well into that backyard, my great grandparents outside slept over there many times. So back then there was a little hill that went up the backyard, woods, and she said she looked out the window and saw these red eyes upon the hill and they were coming down, like kind of moving like this, you know, and what she's just following these eyes, like, oh my god, what is this, what am I staying, is it a deer, whatever, whatever your little kid imagination can master. So she said that it was getting closer and closer to the house, and she's like,

4:20oh, she did, I don't know what to do. So I guess she had looked and she saw the silhouette of it as it got to the bottom, and as it turned to the side, she said she saw like a snout, you know, kind of like a dog or a wolf, and now she sees the red eyes again, because I guess it turned to the side, it's probably sniffing, oh, there you are, let me come near you, and she just ducked down below the window and woke up there the next morning, and that thing was, she said that it was, it had been coming towards the window, just this big dark figure, she was able to touch a glimpse of it, you know, when it turned to the side, and because of the moonlight or what have you, and it came up to the window, it was breathing in the window, like a deep breath, you know, and it was petrified, woke up there the next morning, told my grandparents and my great grandparents about it,

5:24they didn't believe a word, like, you know, this is ridiculous, they're like, later in the years to come, she said she had encountered something like that again, this time, back then the 60s, you know, people went park and you know, making out in the car, boyfriend high school, and I guess the guy had a type of a Mustang, I want to say what she said, it was a mock want, at whatever year she was around, so I don't know if that was a later watch, I always remember her talking about a mock want, but I could be wrong, anyway, it was a fast car regardless, she was parked in some area, now close to home, and the boyfriend was looking over like this, and he said, oh my god, looking over my mom, and she's like, what, what, and I guess he just already had the car, jacked in reverses, pale out, and she looks over and sees like a wolf's face,

6:32just peeking in the window, kind of hunched down, looking in, I guess, there it is, you know, and those both instances, there was no malice, or you know, then didn't growl, bluff charge, you try to kill them, and seem like a curiosity, now I didn't find it, and I said, what did it look like, just said, well, it was a werewolf creature, like the one you were always talking about, this dog man or whatever, my mother knew nothing of the dish, she just knew I was just to talk about it, and she said, that's what I saw, and I didn't figure out that it was a werewolf thing she saw until a few years ago, and when she said that, she goes, yeah, I saw a werewolf creature, and I'm like, wait a minute, so wait a minute, you saw a dog man, the thing, you know, so I described my version of a dog man, and I wanted to get her version, she said, yeah, that's everything was, and I said, well, we're exactly the this topic, who else knows about it, like is there any

7:39other witnesses besides you that I could ask, because I want to I want to track down the info, because I want to know, you know, whenever we listen to podcasts about dog man, we all love those stories, but we really want to know, since it's really true, I had some first hand information, and mom, you know, gave me very little, so you just kind of were a matter of fact told if you had told that story many times, and as brief as I told it, it's brief as she told it, so I said, well, ma, you know what, you know, a couple of years later, I wanted to move out west, just as well before you move out west, you know, take me out driving around, I can't get around anymore, mom had a king's book, so, um, so sure, I said, hey mom, you know, can you take me to the place where you saw the dog man? Yeah, Jara, let's go, do right to it, it was a farm about

8:41five miles away, still in the warwick area, and I can't believe it means to warwick, you know, I think there was dog men around back in that time, I don't think they were there, done 80s, 90s, 2000s, I just think as technology and times change, they push those things out, and then no longer there, that's my theory, I said, my well, snow about this, did anyone else in the neighborhood see a werewolves, whatever, and she said, yeah, she goes a lot of people talk about everybody knew about the werewolf, you know, the view seen it, I've seen it, people talked about it, some had seen it, some hadn't, and it was just a thing, and, um, and I've heard about these red eyes, you know, from different people, they didn't say it was a werewolf, they get all the red eyes story, but I think we all know what it was now, I think in those times, there was a lot of wooded

9:43areas there, so when we went to check out the area, and the first thing I'm looking for is where is there a fresh supply of water, there's one running by here, mom's telling the truth, I know she was, but I just wanted to look for the things I knew to look for, because I'm a dog man enthusiast, you know, I live for this dog, like, yeah, I want to know, and of course she's like, yeah, well, right down there, there's a brook, and I'm like, that's exactly where dog men would go, and then five miles over here, maybe three, this is where she sees the dog man, it makes perfect sense, there's plenty of deer, there's plenty of rabbits, there's ducks, um, there's geese, there's all kinds of stuff this thing could live on, fish, everything, gorillas, um, there's all kinds of animals around this than could have went unseen, you know, popping, peaking a few people's windows, but mom, it come to find out after all those years, no mom just wasn't talking about red eyes,

10:48she saw a werewolf, which I think we all know is a dog man, and this was before anyone ever said it, you know, I think Bigfoot might have been known, but you know, no one's going to say they stole werewolf. So later, I said, well, ma, can you take me to the exact place where you saw it? We went there on the exact spot, and it was by this farm, and so we pulled up to the farm, she's like, well, yeah, you know, when I was a kid, an old guy on this, an old bird guy, any grew corn and pumpkins, and you know, blueberry stuff like that, and it was all, uh, cloud outland, you know, it was all flat and you could plant stuff, but there was a tree line right in the corner of the house,

11:49and so we went there and sure enough, there's the old farmer guy, now he's probably 80, 100, I don't know, he had to be like shinder to something, but he looked good, um, typical farmer guy, you know, he wore like the denim, uh, shirt, the denim pants, um, he said, hey, how you doing? Pam, because my mom's name is Pam, and he knew right who she was, he's like, oh, what do you come, I guess he used to let her go, uh, explore in the woods over there or park on the edge of his area, a lot of kids went there, how the corner near his house, and in the woods and fish and check out the feed the dogs, stuff like that, he goes, oh, well, if you want to go in the woods, he goes, uh, there's nothing to see there anymore, she's like, what do you mean nothing to see, you know, it's like, no, he goes, uh, I don't own that land anymore, you could still go in there, they don't come around, he's just a couple years ago, the government came in and made me an

12:53offer for the land, and he's like, I don't want to sell it, and I've owned all those acres of woods for, you know, 50, 60 years, whatever it was, I'm not looking to sell, they still will look, you know, either name a price or we're just going to call it imminent domain because we want the land, we need it for whatever. They thought in that case, you know, he's heard of other people losing their farms, I think I don't want to mess with these people, I'll use it, so he took a good price for it, and they didn't do anything with it, but he said about a year or two later, the DEM came in, which is the Department of Environmental Management, what they call it in Rhode Island, and they pulled in with a couple of bands and some guys with those, uh, those long sleeves, you know, like you would, uh, wear it to like, you know, some people take care of owls and birds and they latch on, okay, and I guess he had a bunch of those like little cat carriers, you know,

13:56those little cages, you take your animals to the vet, and they had what they call fissure cats, and they're like these little wolverine type of animals, and these things have voracious appetites, you know, they, they, they, wear roast, um, birds, rabbits, just anything they can get a whole of, and they'll, they'll tear them up, and they had Van full of them, and they would just let them go. What I think, and this is my personal opinion, I'm like, wow, why would they do that? Yeah, exactly. That's a thinking. I kept thinking about it, and it, it just registered about a couple of months later, I said, I know, I know what it is. They had a dark man problem there. The government knew about it, and maybe since all this new controversy stirred up, the dark man's a big, you know, popular thing now, they want to prevent this thing from coming back, or maybe one's been seen around. So let's put some fissure cats in there that, to my knowledge,

15:03not native to Orion, and I, and I kind of looked into that, but I'll get to that, and maybe if this then eats up all the, the animals that live in those woods, dark man have nothing to eat, and go somewhere else, and that's how they handle the problem, because there's no other, and not only that, they put up over 200 trail cams, and they've been monitoring all the main paths, what for. So I looked into it, supposedly, their story is that they wanted to, that fissure cats did once live in Rhode Island back in like the pioneer days of pilgrims, and they were a new since, so they shot a lot of them, you know, they would killed over there, and they became extinct in that area. So okay, so let me get the straight. 200 years later, you want to bring back fissure cats that eat up all the game, why the pioneers killed them in the first place, because they

16:06wanted to eat it turkey, or rabbit, or something that just came off the Mayflower, but you're going to introduce them back, put up 200 cams to watch it, because, you know, with their fissure cats is so interesting, I think there was a bigger problem, you know, just my theory, but their thing was, they wanted to reintroduce them. Why? 200 years later, you want to reintroduce them for what? To kill everything that, you know, eat sleeps and breathes, I think you had a bigger problem going on, and there's not been a lot of Rhode Island dog man stories, but a couple of people, I reached out to Vic Condifant, is this little application form, if you have sighting or anything, I didn't tell them about my mom's sighting, because I learned that it was a dog man a little bit past that. Remember, it was just red eyes as I knew it as a kid. So anyway, they said there was a

17:09sighting in one socket, I went on Vic Condifant's show one time, he had kind of a live feed, and he says, if you want to ask my guests anything, type in capital, so I typed in, has there this guy's been everywhere? And I guess he was in the Massachusetts area, studying Bigfoot and dog man, and I said, have you ever been to Rhode Island, and have you ever heard of any dog man there? And he said, yeah, and you know, that's still on the feed, so now I've got, you know, almost three confirmations, I got one from Vic Condif, about the one socket sighting, I've got the other one from Vic Condifant's guest, but I can't remember who it was, my mom's, so yeah, dog man were there, okay, you leave Rhode Island out because it's such a small place, the government or the local government would have to get rid of this problem because it's

18:09such a small place, anyone's door anything like that in modern time, they might catch a picture of it, they might put it on live, they might create a real panic in a place like that, the word would just get around two quickly, so you would have to get rid of it, even at the slightest beat has, like, yeah, they would dog man hair in the six, these we ran them all off with all this construction, Rhode Island's a little overbuilt, and you know, most of the little cities and towns, but there's still some boom docks out there, with these things pit of head, you know, and I think there's still some out there, they have, it's on 295, you get about halfway down head into one socket from Warwick, they have this, what do they call it, like, government, bird, nature sanctuary, and it's like five miles of just protected area, and maybe that's where to keep them all, you know,

19:13and I mean, because what's over there, you want to protect a few birds, you don't think a bird's going to fly out of the sanctuary, come over here, and one of us can do it with a baby gun or harm it or whatever, so you got to rope off, you know, five, five, 10, where miles of that, just my theory, man, I mean, maybe I think too much, but I think that's where, well, so what is, most interesting is your mom saying that it was a commonly known thing back in the 50s and 60s that there was a werewolf running around out there, and when we titled this episode, the werewolf of Warwick, I'm hoping that people from that area, because that's, there's got to be, I mean, there's many, many people, yeah, many, many people's probably still alive

20:17that grew up there, same time as your mom, and I would love to hear what other people from that area grew up either witnessing, seeing, or hearing about, and kind of filling out that picture from that area specifically, and just, you know, what other experiences people had or sightings they had from that area, I think it'd be, I think it'd be crazy to hear that. You know, if I had told anyone in the neighborhood, you know, like we're talking now, it would get shut down real quick, but in a place like this and a community like this, people are much more like to talk in the comments anonymously or reach out or, you know, have their face hidden or whatever, but this took place in the button woods area, another sighting happened a little

21:24further, and the other, the other dogman sighting that Vic mentioned was in Womstock, I guess these kids were skip school one day, and there's these old water passageways, they're kind of like these cement pathways that direct water where they want it to go, I think they used to feed into the old factories, the factories had like one of them little ferry boat wheels, and that's how they powered the electric and the old days, and these kids said that they saw a werewolf creature and they're running down, some of them are like long haulways of cement, like a tunnel, and these things were running down there, they say there's old little cave systems, not big, but maybe enough for something high, there's a lot of woods there, and there's a lot of fresh water, there's good amount animals,

22:27I really don't believe there were fish or cats there a long time ago, and maybe there were, but I wouldn't see no reason to introduce, but there's a lot of supernatural stuff that's happened in Rhode Island, they had the, I think it was called like the Gloucester Dragon or something, the legend of that is that these, somebody hid some pirates, hid some jewels on a farm, or some type of land, and they came back for it, and they saw this dragon type of creature that had scales, it was called like the Gloucester monster or something like that, that's in the legends, a lot of witch stories, a lot of red eyes stories, which I don't think Dogman like to appear too much to people over there, maybe to the new better, these people are gonna talk. Well, and I think people that aren't from that area don't realize like the Western part of Massachusetts

23:33is very rural and wooded and kind of gnarly in places, you know, it's not just all Boston, you know, it's, it's very rural, that goes into some of those other states, but it's kind of now, what did your, so your mom, her only frame of reference was, she thought it was a weirwolf back in the day, you know, did they think based on what they knew, okay, did they think that there was somebody in the area that was changing into a weirwolf, or, you know, was there any thought of that, or do you not, did she not ever, oh, I remember once, early, as someone get a conversation with my godmother and she asked him about that, she's like, what do you think, was a guy in a costume, she's like, yeah, but you know, like eight years apart, the same guy's

24:35gonna come out in a costume and be out, you know, three in the morning and just scare a little kid, just be hiding up in the woods in the summertime, the big hot ass costume man went 100 out and just come up to my window on breathe, you know, I should have been kidnapped or whatever, you know, and that didn't happen, so, and she goes then, you know, with three miles away, this thing's gonna go running down the street, hiding the woods till someone comes and go, boo, you know, it's just not gonna happen, she said no, I think it was a creature and she said, I saw the face, it was werewolf, the first time what I remembered was that thing, hernan sniffing, you could see the moonlight behind it and he just saw the snout and the ears and you know, right then, what everyone knows that silhouette looks like, but you know, any type of wolf thing, I mean, I've seen a lot of drawings of wolves and what do they always show, a moan wolf said, you can make out exactly

25:35what it is just by having a black jade, so, think any of us know that, and mom just didn't seem scared by it, she, I guess she did back then and she was just kind of matter of fact and everyone knew my mother for like being straight up, not lying, if you wanted a bright truthful answer, you went to Pam and she was gonna serve it to you straight and give what she really thought, and like, look, my, like, you're not interested in this stuff, but she, I don't think she would have took me to see, you know, all the spots and go visit that farm that, you know, hadn't been true, and then what the farmer said, clicked in my brain months later and it all made sense, I'm like, dude, there's been, there was a problem here at one time and I think all those woods in Rhode Island lead up to mass, they lead up to New Hampshire, Maine, and just connected, and they go pretty far out to New York and stuff, so I think the government did step in and they got rid of them a long time

26:39ago and heard of them elsewhere, because if you're driving through southern Rhode Island, there's, you'll notice there's, there's old roads that just go on from miles one, you could take the highway, you could take some of the old roads, those old roads are kind of interesting, because on the right side of that long road, 15 miles long, remember the name of it, but I'll get it back to you, there's fence all the way down, why is it fenced all the way down that road just on the right side, because that's the deep woods area where these things are contained and less likely to pop out in the road, and you know what I mean, I don't know, it's just a lot of things don't add up, I'm sure they're gonna, and the government had anything to say about it, they'd give you the, you know, the most logical whatever answer just to get you off of that back, but I don't think they can, you know, but nobody's

27:40getting real proof either, we just know what we know, you know what I mean, us people that know dogmen, we know that that happened, so I always thought, well that can never happen here, you know, Rhode Island, this nobody, you know, that's never anything gonna get me, and then I find out, you know, 40 years later than, wait, man, you saw a werewolf, that's what you're talking about, the right eyes, and so yeah, I can hit home, and then coming out here, yeah, well I'm just, I am, I'm super excited to see what the people from that area who get, you know, who get to hear this, what they have to say, because I really do think we're gonna get some other people that are from that area that come forward, so, then they'll probably know me, you know, because it's a small community, it's a small world, you know, well, hey, that would be, hey, look, and then it would probably, then you can hang out to drive, like,

28:46because I'm here to say, like, I totally, I totally believe dogmen will real, and to know way later down the line that these things were in Rhode Island, and I believe they still wanted to float around, but I really don't think, I really think the government has a hold on that they would have to, because in a place like that, small community, everyone knows everyone, this big population, war, I think the population back in like 19, we looked it up in the encyclopedia in science class, what the population of warwick was back in 1982, science teachers just as well, the population is 100,000 people, city of warwick, well, that tells you, there's still a lot of woods there and stuff like that, but it's densely populated with people, and they all talk, and they all know one another,

29:48you know, that's, you get the talking with somebody there, you're like, hey, you know, Jim, yeah, yeah, I know him, and I know Eric Soetho, and everyone knows each other, you know, everyone knows someone who knows something, and somehow related to, you know, a lot of the time, but I really think that was, it's got quite a past, you know, it beaver tail, a lot of people don't know that we shot a German submarine right off the corner of beaver tail, we had like an underground bunker there, too, and we used to look out for the German new boats coming through, and the stubs, and I think they, I never heard that, you never heard that, yeah, my cousin took me there once, and we went in this deep water tank, man, had these like little metal plank thingies, you could go down, we're just yelling, hello, hello, this is a big huge water tank, I'm like, what is this? Well,

30:48they used to use this to store water back in the, you know, we're award two days, and stuff like that, so that's what island has like a lot of interesting history, so I think before the pilgrims got there, and everyone like rowing the place, it was just all Indians at one time, the funny thing is, you can go to any state in the US, and there's plenty of Indians everywhere, but Rhode Island is not one, they just, because they killed them all, you know, it's just overloaded with Europeans, now, way back, it really is, that's some of some of our Indians still exist, but very few. Okay, so you have another, you have another like paranormal experience that you want to share, and did it just take place in Rhode Island as well? Yes, okay, so when I heard that story back in

31:53like the 80s from my mom, and again, found out it was a dog man five, 10 years ago, anyway, yeah, I was always interested in paranormal stuff, supernatural witchcraft, you know, it wasn't into witchcraft, but I was interested in it, is it real, can you really do spells, can you do things like that? Yeah, basically, you just want to know about it, you know, it is it real, don't want to do it, don't want to worship, but nothing like that. So anyway, it's the summer 1987, schools out, I think it was in the 9th, the 10th grade, and my best friend had moved in with his dad, and did not situate it, and he was way out in the boom dog, you know, you got to take like five bosses to get there from war, so he's like, hey, come down for the weekend, you know, be great, and pick up my girlfriend on the way, you know, when you take in the boss, pick her up and cast and come over here, sure, you know, be great and get out of war with. So we go, you know, get there, we do the typical stuff, you know, we are there, pizza, listening to music, play a couple

32:57iron maiden records, played video games, and when we ran out of stuff to do, you know, we're telling like scary stories and stuff like that, you know, we think we're 15 fun stuff, and we said, what do you want to do now? And I was like, wait a minute, Shannon, his girlfriend, you know, you studied like witchcraft and spell books and stuff, you know, like do something, like make something happen, you know, like make a something appear, I don't know, like do something witchy, you know, she's like, all right, she wants to do something, okay, sure, so she's like, all right, let's sit in a circle, a lot of hold hands as she first she goes and gets this candle, she lights it, she's sitting or holding hands, she's like, you got to think negative thoughts and hum these words and this and that and stare at the candle, so we're all staring at the candle, and you know, sounds like a long time, it's pretty strong. I'm staring at the candle or thinking

33:57these thoughts and doing everything we're supposed to and you know, really meditating or whatever and I'm staring at the candle and you know, a candle always has like a little round glow on it, you know, if you ever look at those old Christmas books, you see a drawing of the old Noel candles, has the yellow little thing around it, and I saw that and I was like, it's pretty cool, that little effervescent glow around the candle, and so I'm looking at it longer and it seems to change as the little, it's a little bit of smoke when the wick burns that kind of travels up and I kept seeing something in it, I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird. So pretty soon I said a little round glow, but I see another one like above it, but it's like green and I'm like, okay, you know, with my eyes are going scrawling from staring at the same thing, and I'm looking at like a little, the same size as the glow, the yellow glow is a green glow above it, and I'm thinking to myself,

34:58is anybody else doing that, dude, but this is five seconds later and I'm still seeing it, and then I hear Ralph go, what's that, and I'm thinking, okay, is he's looking at something else, and I go, what do you mean? He goes, that, and I go, are you seeing what I'm seeing? He goes, yes, and so we see this green orb, and it's just there, like a little bit higher than it was before, before it was just above the other glow, now it's higher. So he jumps up, blows out the canister, and he's like, whoa, now this thing kind of goes like this, and it's up, like, I'm still down here, he's up, now I get up, and he's like, slotting it away with his hand, and this thing's like, it didn't make that noise, but that to give you how it moved, he's slotting that in, and everything he threw at it, this thing had a count in it, and I'm like, oh my god,

36:00like, what, now I'm kind of in shock, so I don't know what to do, but just staring at it, he's like, how do we get rid of this thing? So he goes and gets the broom, like everyone gets a broom when they're, you know, ecstatic, so he's going like this, and again, that thing, it's getting out of the way, like, I don't know if you can harm it or whatever, it seems supernatural, like ghost-like, like it wasn't physical, but yet it was, and so finally, that thing, we both go to the center of the broom, he's like, man, get rid of this thing, and I'm like, I don't know what to do, if I look over at you, and she still stood on the ground, and she's just fine, like, nothing happened, like, this is stuff that happens every day, we're all worrying about this friggin' orb that we conjured, and to finally, I just stopped, calmed down for a second, and this thing seems to just stop, and it felt like it was like looking at me, like, it was kind of studying me for a second, like, you know, which one of you conjured me? What do you want?

37:02And he's gotten away at it, and then again, so, final, I looked at it for another brief second, and when I looked into it, this was like a lime-green kind of color, like, you know, I could see in black and white, well, with this thing, you could see green and black, you know, everything was in green and black, and it looked like, let's just, let me explain it like this, I had like a demon face, and this thing was like see-through, you know, and it went in front of me like this, I could see this like scary mouth gun, you know, like, I could see a mouth inside of this thing, like, it was like on like a face, you know, and it just looks like a monster's mouth, like, so these little things, and these real like monster-y-looking teeth, you know, regular human teeth, but, you know, like, little cracks in them, you know, blackened a little bit, just like, you would see them in a

38:05type of monster movie, and I'm like, whoa, this is something demonic, you know, and this thing, the way it moved, and it would stop, and just kind of hover, but when it hovered, it would kind of do this a little bit, like, it had to be moving to sustain itself, and now all this happened, and like, I'd say a minute, like 60 seconds, but it's such a long time when you stand, and then, finally, I think just after I scared out it, and saw that, and knew something was messed up with that, seeing the damn mouth in there, like, it's like trying to show me it's a demon, I guess, that thing said, kind of, it felt like it was going like this, but you couldn't tell the front or the back, you could just tell that it was looking at you, it had this like personality, like, it's a living thing, that thing just said, it got quick, it just went to, right across to the corner of the room, and then it just kind of started to, like, harkly, like, just dissolve,

39:08so it kind of went from, like, I guess you could say, I thought it was ghost-like, but it, like, if it had any physical form, it was getting harder to see, like, it was disappearing, and then I just saw this kind of juice go, me, like, this ectoplasm thing, and disappeared, and that was it, and I'm like, what, like, you kind of had the sense that it was over now, whatever it was, I think we conjured up a demon, and it wanted to know, like, what do you guys want, wasn't mind-evolent, but they never are, they don't want to scare you, they want you to invite it back so they can, like, inhabit you, or, you know, do whatever it is, their goals are, you know, to do something bad, I would assume, and staying that mouth, that demon mouth, I mean, like, there's nothing good happening with these things, or fast-forward, you know, I was 87, 2013, lived in Alabama. When I just watched TV,

40:14and I was a tattoo artist for 20 years, not at that time, I was probably like, 15 or something, I was, I like to watch a show called A Haunt in Uncable, and it, you know, supernatural, ghost, and house, how do we get rid of it, that type of thing. So I watched that show, and part of the show was one guy had a problem with ghosts in his house, and so he made what they call an open house, which is, you know, come one, come all, come to my house and try to help me figure out what the hell this is, you know, all you spiritualists, witches, whatever, tell me what I got going on here, I guess, who's having some haunting issues. So when he went to check on everybody, there was a couple people in the basement, they were doing some sort of ritual down there, and using this, like, little vial of blood they had or whatever, and I guess I, you can get everybody out, and now the, the spirit problem was worse, but when they was showing the reenactment in that

41:14jail, the guy who was doing the ritual, you know, in the basement, was camping something, and so I was like, wow, it's a real spooky chant, you know, I know it's just a reenactment, but man, I don't like the way that thing sounds, it was hungry, you call on something evil. Anyway, that night I'd go to sleep, and I think I'd been asleep for like an hour, but you know, you have that sleep, you sort of consciously, you're certain, you're subconscious and conscious, a little bit, like you could wake up at any time or keep sleeping, you could decide, felt like that. And finally, I started to get to sleep, what I felt pretty good, I didn't feel on something whizzed by my face, you know, like, you feel like a fly's going by, like, you could tell. So, um, something just told me, open my eyes, because I could feel like a little wind in front of my nose, something, so I opened my eyes, and there's this brown orb, like, right here, and it felt like,

42:17again, the way that thing moved, I couldn't see any eyes or any face, it was just a round ball, but that thing was going like this, like it was looking me up and down, like this, like close to my face, starting now, I was like, I went, whoa, like, because I kind of popped up and then I went, whoa, back like this, and that thing said, boom, like it backed up too, like we, it's like we scared each other. And that thing just hovered for a minute, and then again, it went, you know, it made a b-line into the bathroom, which was to the right, and I heard it hit the mirror, and it went think, like someone flicked, like that, excuse me. So I was like, wow, that thing bounced off the mirror, I wonder where the hell it went, like, why is that here? This time it was brown, so I'm like, whoa, so I'm like, my wife's asleep right next to me, I just kind of look around and

43:19I'm like, okay, I feel safe, but this thing's studying me well, I'm asleep, like what brought this here? I went to work the next day, and that was his girl, she was a piercer, her name was Soul Pan with that, I think that was like from made up spiritual name or whatever, but she, again, it was into witchcraft and stuff, so I asked her, she goes, oh, wow, she goes, yeah, I'm into witchcraft, I used to bells and all that, but that stuff, you should talk to my brother, the wizard, I think his real name was James or something, he was sort of a local celebrity of thought, he used to hang down at Auburn College, and everyone knew him, he would wear this big long leather coat, like a trench coat, and he had this big, it was like a brown leather coat, like they

44:20wore on the 70s, and he had this big wizard hat, like it looked like a big witch's hat, but it was brown leather, just like the jacket, he must have had it made, but he was into all kinds of stuff, like crystals and spiritual rocks and all sorts of arcane things, dungeons and dragons, new stuff leagie boards, witchcraft, anything dark, and he said, tell him the story, he showed up that day, she called him, he came down to the shops, that on the couch, he called him everything, and he says, okay, it sounds, whenever you see a brown orb, it's usually associated with some sort of negative energy, that's what brings these things forth, they can sense negative energy, what were you doing before this sighting? I said, while I was watching a show, he was like, what type of show was it? You know, this guy knew it to us, I said, what was called a haunting, he's like, oh really, Bob goes to, yeah, was there any sort of spells being spoken, or he can't, I'm like, oh, now that

45:27you mention it, yeah, and he goes, makes a lot of sense, I go, but I wasn't chanting anything, why did this thing show up? I know you said negative energy, but like, you know, if someone's having a fight down the street, it shows up there, and then it bounces along, so I'll check this house out, you know, is that how it goes, and he says, that chanting that was going on, probably called it for, and it showed up, thinking it was you, now just because that chanting's going on on the TV, that thing doesn't care, it just hears the chanting and shows up where it is, probably thought you'd get it, and I said, why did it show up, he wanted to know what it called it for, he goes, you know, those are demonic fears, okay, they're like, you know, demons are like faithful dog, when you call them, they come, and that's the second time one came, I just, this time I didn't call it, but the TV did, and so if you talk about anything, like the Indians, they don't talk about

46:32anything they see, demonic spirits, nothing like that, because they can hear you talking, and they will show up, like, oh, they're talking about us, let's go see what they want, and I think that's what happened with that, and I said, well, why did it bounce off the mirror? He says, well, mirrors are a portal to another dimension, so it's probably came out of the mirror, it was going in to the mirror, I said, because I heard a little tick noise, he goes, well, yeah, for a minute, they're physical, but then they go back into their spiritual being, because they can do both, and go in there, and I'm like, well, what are these things? He's like, well, they're energy, you know, they were once a living being, and no energy ever dies, it just changes form. So I brought this to my mom, and called her four days later and told her everything, you know, she started red eyes, so she was not going to make fun of me. So I said, well, what is this? Just as well,

47:35what I think they are, she said, let's just start with God, there was a war in heaven, the bad angels left, they would cast down to the earth, and you know, given a thousand years of whenever it happened vividly, the bad angels took human women for their wife, and they infregnated women, but when they had babies, they were these huge giants, to now you have a half angel, and you have a half human being. The thing is, they're in abomination, because God didn't want this creation to be created, this is something that the angels did on their own, so they don't have a soul. So when these beings, these giants die, they don't go to heaven, they don't go to hell, they just float around. That's what these orbs are. They're those nephalian beings living within this fear, and I think

48:37they mom said that they use them as like a low-wadded way to travel around, and that's what they live it, because they don't have a body, their disembodied spirit. So basically they're demons, do people get confused on what demons are? People think that the angels that could cast out a heaven are demons. No, they're not demons. They didn't become demons. Like, hey, look, we're all like monster looking now. No, they were beautiful and everything like that. They're just the bad ones who decided, listen, you guys are the Republicans, we're the Democrats, you're bad, we're good, the good angels stayed, bad angels left, and the same beings, they look the same. They didn't just get on, believe, because they were the bad ones, but they had their angels still. Everyone thinks that the angels like a kick-out of heaven are demons. They're not demons. The beings that they created with women are the demons, okay? They're called the Nephilim, the Rafaian were the bad angels, I think, if I'm

49:43quoting my mom correct, okay? Bible scholars don't hack me to pieces. I'm kind of, Hey, listen, I know. There are people that are paying attention and they'll correct stuff. Does this hope they've ignored the Democrat, Republican line? I was just using the pick. I know, I know. We're just these two teams. Yeah, yeah. Somebody's going to take that and be like, out of everything we talked about, they're going to be like, they're going to run with that. Right. That example, guys, it's perfect for something to take my point. It's perfectly fine. And these parts we call anything, it's Ohio State Michigan. It's Ohio State good, Michigan bad. So, and that's in our parts. But, and where you're at now, it should be like Texas good Oklahoma bad. Probably right. Yeah. So Texas is pretty, pretty harsh on a lot of things, man. I mean,

50:49they're like real strict, not harsh, but strict. They want to be, you know, people a good look, and I get it, man, I like Texas. I like to feel the vibe, everything. So, I'd still long, else, hey, I like it better than Rhode Island. Nothing against Rhode Island, but I like it better here. But just to sum it up, I think it just according to my dealings with it, you know, I think that it's easy to conjure up demons when they show up in an orm form. That's pretty physical. I mean, a monster didn't manifest or anything, but I think maybe if I had messed with this thing longer, I think it came to see what do I want. You know, maybe it's like a genie. I tell it my three wishes and wants my soul. I don't know. I never got that long, but I think that could happen. Things are manifesting out of thin air. They're not angelic beings. They're definitely, they would when I was doing something bad, like messing with witchcraft spells, whatever the hell we

51:52were doing and chanting. So, this is what happens. If you mess with anything that's a Ouija board, tarot cards, you know, steers, all that type of stuff, you're going to get stumped because they say, you know, some spiritualists say that you're born with this aura about you and it's sort of like a protective force field. And once you start messing with Ouija boards and things, you're drawing your energy to draw something out. You're reaching out to demons. And demons are just, you know, they're demons pretending to be dead people. That's who speak into you through the Ouija board and you can conjure these things up and they can manifest. It takes quite a bit of energy. I don't know how you can't hold that energy to them or what type of energy it is, but I know it would take a lot of it to like, deep this thing firsthand, you know, I don't know some demon look at being with big horns or something, but they're real. The spirit world is real and they can mess with

52:59you. I mean, if it orbs showed up in my house, what was it going to do next? Had I gone further with it? What if I relapsed and asked this thing stuff? Would it show up every day? Would I, could you talk to? I don't know, but some bad stuff showed up. I'm not looking to see it again. So I don't mess with any of that stuff. No Ouija boards, no nothing because something messed up always happened. And that's interesting though that you got conjured because of something on television. And so, man, it really makes you think that when you're watching one of the shows and it may think it's innocent, you know, or they're trying to be authentic in the television show because people will call them out. It's not an authentic chant or whatever, but here's the byproduct of that is scodering or summoning something up. Wow. That's kind of good.

54:01Have a lot of how and they say that, you know, that's why they call it like a spelling bee. You notice the word spell is in there. The spell is when, you know, you're speaking something. So it is like, oh, I'm going to cast the spell or I'm going to spell something. It's the words you're using. They have a lot of power and you can call forth bad things or good things. Whatever you say is very important. My mom told me that once too because she became a Bible scholar later, almost a pastor and she passed a test to something to be one. And she said, you know, don't go talking about evil stuff because they're going to say, ooh, they're talking about us. Let's go up. And, you know, I look back on what happened and she was right. My mother was always right about everything. No, no, not later. Don't let her know that. That's that might be the biggest spell of all to tell her that she was she was right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, man. Well, Jamie, listen, man, you, you've brought it

55:11tonight. I know, it's all you got to say this, all right. The first, the first story I is great. Like I said, it's the one that it's probably one of the earliest dog man stories that I've heard. And I'm going to be super curious to see if people from that area will come forward. All takes is one more person to come forward. Yeah. And that won't really hammer hammered home. I mean, it would be it would be so cool. And then this whole these orb experiences. And I think a lot of people experience these orbs and just don't know what they are. And even if they're, and I don't know that the stuff that people are seeing out in the woods, it's the same thing. I mean, a haunting doesn't have to take place just in your bedroom. It could take place out in the woods. So I think people should be super careful around any of those lights that they don't know what they are. So, but, but I appreciate you. I appreciate number one, your knowledge on the subject, your passion

56:14about all these subjects. And that you got to hold on me and you want to share these because I, these are, these were great. These were great. Yeah. Thanks. I just wanted to warn people that, hey, what you're seeing, everyone, I've heard people talk about the orbs thing. I, you know, try to find out as much as I could about it. Like what did I state? What did we state? And that's what I come up with. They're demons, man. So when you see them, not friendly little things that are showing up to be happy because you did a witch, a good witch felt they're demons, man. And they're looking to do something bad. Be with you or get inside of you or affect your life. Not one last thing. Demons were, and bad angels were meant to roam the earth or however long God said. So that's what they do. They go out in the woods. They come back. What did, you know, what did Jesus say about the spirit? If you cast one out, it'll go out into the wilderness and can't see shelter. So it'll come back to your house with seven more demons more stronger than it's hell. So I'm sure

57:19when I conjured one up, not willingly, it probably went and got more and came back. I just didn't see him. You know, they can either see, see them or not see them. I guess it depends if you conjure them. But yeah, we'll let it go with that. Well, I appreciate it. And just be careful. Don't be conjured either sleep deeper or don't don't be, don't be conjured stuff. I don't watch any scary movies, you know, like they start chatting some stuff. I got to worry about what I'm going to wake up to. Well, I, again, I appreciate you reaching out and coming on and sharing this. This is, this is great. Oh, thanks for having them. Fun times. Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of The From the Shadows Podcast. Until next time, never shy away from the darkness or what may be lurking in the shadows. We are out.

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