The Cowboys Shift: Digging In

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1:00presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Cowboys. It's Miller Time. And now your host, Mickey Spagnola, Everton Walls, Heckma Harrison, and Bill Jones. It is a Thursday inside the SWBC podcast studio and this is the Cowboys shift, presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.com. It's Miller Time and there are football players on the football field right now. Oh, it is. And we are set to get you set for a road trip, the longest road trip in Dallas Cowboys history, a 10 hour flight. Mickey, you got your bags packed? Yeah, I do. All right, very good. And we can only have a team charter tonight. We can only have a carry on bag also. Nothing under the plane. Oh, really? What? You heard me carry on bag. Ain't going to party.

2:01So it's got to be in the overhead. If you start complaining, it's a business trip. It's a business trip. But that's right. How many pairs of clothing are you going to have? Two pairs of pants, two shirts. Nothing. You're going to be there. All right, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You need more than two. Three days. Well, you can wear the same shirt twice, right? Can you? Yeah. And you? That's a tough one. I don't see that down there. Oh, I hope not. No, I saw the high was going to be 78. And the low was going to be 71. Wow. That's good. Already consistent. There's a reason why they don't let anybody paint anything under the plane. Yeah, he produced a supreme tell us. Customs. Customs. Because if it goes under the plane, it's called cargo. And we have to wait for cargo. If it's above the plane, you just get pushed right through it. It doesn't mean that you have to carry a smaller bag on. You could just take a big bag. Well, it's got to fit. It's got to fit. You know what we're having over here.

3:02Kind of well. Oh, you don't know. Coach Shottenheimer was talking about these layback seats. We lay down seats. Lay down seats. Yeah. Players all get what kind of seat do you get? That's just like every other time, right? No, you get to lay down with that. No, are you serious? They don't have that many. But all the players get a lay down seat. I think majority of them, huh, Chris? That's what I heard. Yeah, that's all I said. I've been enjoying all of them. I heard majority back when I was to go in the charter. I was already starting 22 maybe. Wow. Kicker punter. That's hilarious. The guys that might get elevated off the practice squad might be sitting next to me. Oh, that's a really. Well, they know they have a separate. They're out front. But I'm sitting there. But they don't mean they get the lay down seat though. Yeah. Very well, I don't think the coaches are getting lay down seats. Just letting you know. Yeah. So, huh, how much is this franchise worth?

4:04I just want to know. Well, the planes, the people on the right. They own a football club, not an airline. Just remember that. So they can't buy their own plane. All right. Here we go. That's why that. Yeah. And I can explain that. Here we go. Can I explain that? Please, please. That's why they have as much money as they do. They're not running an airlines. All right. Let's get right into the schedule for the day. And for the next couple of days for this team, Brian Shottenheimer talked about it a little bit. But they're on the field right now. And I think I heard that this is a Friday practice, even though it sounded that way, because they didn't have pads on. I think some of them maybe they explained what that is. What that is. It's what's happening here. Friday is more of a Jersey shorts helmet type practice. It's a lighter practice. Normally, your Wednesday, Thursday are the heavy days. So I think just to keep their legs as fresh as possible,

5:07they're not going to wear pads today. So it's more of a Friday practice. And then on Friday, they'll get out and do something to get their legs stretched out. But what the itinerary for today for the players is they have this practice going on now. Then they're going to be free to go home this afternoon and then get back up here in time. They're all going to, in contrast to most trips. They're all going to meet here and then bus to the flight. The staff bus leaves at 630 in the players. We don't have to get into the detail. Or seven. And then you wanted to know when we were going. And then a practice tomorrow. And then what they call a walk around, the actual stadium in which they will be playing on Saturday. Right. So they're not going to probably be allowed on the field. But the idea here is to get all the work done before they depart.

6:07Yes, absolutely. And they've installed everything. They're going to keep the guys busy in meetings, team meetings, offense, defense meetings. They'll do the walk around. So they know where the locker room is, know how long it takes to get to the field. They can find the 42nd clock where it's station and the game clock and all that kind of stuff. Which is important for the quarterbacks, by the way. I remember Tony Romo, when I asked him about playing in preseason, he goes, yeah, I'd like to because I got a checklist. When I go on the road and he goes, if I could play in a preseason game, it reminds me everything that's been on my checklist that haven't thought about for six months. And one of the things was where's the 42nd clock and make sure I know where it's at before the game starts. Brandon Aubrey, when we get to an away game, he drops his stuff off in the locker room and then walks the field.

7:08And he's looking for specific places, like what's the grass like when you got to kick the extra point. If I'm kicking from 40 some yards, what is it there with logos and everything? And he walks the whole thing and kind of looks at it and actually pantomines a kick. So he knows what he's looking at. Because some stadiums have that big video board up there. And some of them turn it off, but they only turn it off when their guys kick. So it could be distracting if you see yourself getting ready to kick. So making you need to use your Twitter on this trip and explain all that stuff. And give us some videos like when they were doing the walk around at the stadium on Saturday. Walk around. At the corner of the walk around. Walk around, walk around, gotta walk through. Yeah. I bet you give us some video. Have all that. We want it from you, Mick. Yeah. We talked about this yesterday, man.

8:09Content, man. All right. The content creator. And so this story you tell it up, Brandon Aubrey, you need to bring it to life for us on Saturday and get us some video of him looking for the bad spots on the field. All right. Sunday. We want the bad spots on the field. Yeah. That's your job. Actually, I just got some intel. And we're going to share it. The field for a soccer match was OK. Yeah. There was some worry that if you put 250 pound guys on the field, that it might not be a sturdy. Yeah, that's a lot of fun. Right? Well, everything. Yeah, wait. It's going to be quick. Yeah. So seven stud plates will be being utilized. We got 10F field up. 209. Yeah. We got to be mud-wrestling at the end of the night. See, I didn't understand when they were talking about molded cleats. So the cleats are basically molded to the bottom of the shoe.

9:10There's like a soccer shoe. That's what we were. That's what they were spraying in Nashville, because they got so hot. Yeah, that was a great shoe. Yeah. And players love those. Yes, we do. But they're going to have to go with the probably seven cleats. So I had no idea. The players love those for ideal fields. Right. An ideal field. Yeah, we love it for that. Because your feet slide. Oh, right. But now with these, there's five cleats in the front, two in the back, and they're kind of the longer deals that they screw into the bottom of their other shoes. Are they like the right way? Right. Are they like the others? We had one. My plants are hurts right now. Just going to save right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. Trust me. The last year I want to see. They'll, and, and, and, um, I was talking to people back there. And when they go to away games, like a normal away game, they tell the players, okay, check

10:11out the tea, the other team, when they're warming up, the guys at your position, what are they wearing? Right. Because they know. They should do probably what they're doing. Because they play here on grass, if it's a grass field. Yeah. Can't do that this time. No. Because Baltimore will just be, um, you know, in the dark as you are. What about security? How, how is, how, you know, you always hear about Brazil? Tell me about it. What's going on? Well, the, I, from what I read from what we got, the, the sounded like at every step, there's security. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, at the hotel. At the practice. It's as dangerous as they say. Man, Memphis in New Orleans is, that's what I'm, yeah. They're by a keyboard. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, I told depending on where you're at in downtown. Yeah. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're in downtown, downtown, Rio sections where you, you, I'm told you don't want to be. Yeah. Probably leave your, your swag at home, the jewelry, you know, our, uh, CBS crew,

11:16Brioldridge and Brett Kelly, headed down there. I guess they're here there now. I haven't checked, but, um, but they have, uh, we have to be with them. Oh, they hired it or they're there to, what's that? They're kidding, I'm making it. We have Mickey. That'll be a big deal, right? We have, check it out. Check it out. We have Mickey. We have. We have about two months and see how I'm doing. Okay. We're not going to start a war. Yeah. We have your beat right there. They asked me there. I said, they said, well, make sure you walk on the field. Well, I'll check it out. They go, would of security comes after you. I said, they can't catch me. Oh, yeah. It's MCL PCL. It's coming. Mickey running. But anyway, the CBS hired security for our reporter, Brioldridge and photographer,

12:16right, Kelly down there and they're sticking as close to the hotel as possible. Yes. And which isn't any different than when I went out to San Francisco to cover them, have Rick's in Golden State in the Western Conference Finals. We were doing live shots in downtown San Francisco while they hired. That's because you're in Oakland. That's what I can do. No, no, no, no. We went over to Oakland because we did a story on Jason Kidd's high school there. They hired two off-duty police officers. Just a bit with us all the time. This was in 2023, whatever year that was at the Madrigues place. So it's to answer your question, it's no different than what we would do in a major city in the US. Just this last Super Bowl, I was down there for American Diabetes Association. Me and my business partner were San Francisco. Yes. Me and my business partner were going to the car. I don't know why the heck he parked over there. I mean, San Francisco ain't no joke now. They're trying to catch up with Oakland. I mean, come on, man, I went by there doing over there with no clothes on yelling at us

13:21and walking this way. I hope that was a dog that did that, but if it was just, I don't know. Let's get into the injury report now. We kept on moving. We talked about the injury report yesterday. What was the biggest thing on the story, bro? We had to cut you off on the story, bro. We had to cut you off. The difference between a dog. We were friends. What was the biggest thing you saw on the injury report yesterday? What's up? DNP's for Kaleas Campbell, Zayflowers, Trey Hendrixson, and Ronnie Stanley. What's the biggest thing you saw? Okay, what about... Did you see that, Heckman? I saw that too, but the biggest thing was Numbd-Madabeeke wasn't going in. It's so... A small participant. Exactly. That's who they won't be kidnapped. I'd be madabeeke out on the Kenny North High School. Yes, sir. A&M, who played two games last year, had a neck injury, hadn't played in over a year. And for the first time since his injury, he was a full participant.

14:24And so they are making plans it looks like for Madabeeke to be back for the Ravens. And by the way, Teddy Buchanan, linebacker 2, at his first full practice of the year, too. So... Very interesting. Flowers has that explosive breakout game. I won't call it a breakout game, but explosive game first of the season, I think 150 receiving yards and then hamstring injury. And I wonder, you know, I know DMP doesn't mean that a guy won't play. So I'm interested to see game day. That's exactly what it means. Well, it did not practice. It didn't practice yesterday. Oh, practice, yeah. Yeah, didn't, didn't participate. And that basically, he was probably on the side doing something. The main thing was not in the team. And Campbell, they just rested. It's not a injury. Yeah. And the flowers, considering the field conditions, you know, and listening to people in Baltimore, of course, we said the same thing about Malik neighbors. Start listening to media talk about it and they have no idea what they're talking about. Malik neighbors wound up playing. It's a lot against the Cowboys.

15:24But that's six receptions, right? And Hendrickson, it says finger. A finger's not keeping him out of the game. I'm guaranteeing. What do you think about him as a player? If you had an opportunity to watch Hendrickson, I know everybody was high up on this guy when it was free agency. When we needed a defensive end, we were definitely talking about him. But you know, for Baltimore here, well, no, right? But I'm saying, you know, he was the rumor. If you were not able to get someone else from another Las Vegas team, all right. But I'm just saying, like, I think when I watch him, you know, all the fuss about Hendrickson's coming from Cincinnati, he hadn't been as impactful as you would have thought that he would be for Baltimore. So that's an interesting matchup if he does play. Probably that's why Cincinnati didn't go over board to keep him. True. He's listed as an outside linebacker. But they play it. He's an edge, an edge, right? Yeah. So. But how do you feel about Hendrickson?

16:26I just think he's one of those players that maybe, you know, a lot of people overestimated him. If I'm just, because right now I feel like the running game is going to be so pivotal in this matchup. And guys like him and Zion Young, I anticipate the Cowboys trying to get out on the edges and run a guy's like that. You know, I think they're very stout inside. And if Mattabique is coming back, that's another one of those challenges that you'll have with Kalea's Campbell and the guys that they already have. But I like our chance. I like our guys matched up against them. What would you compare Mattabique to? Who would you compare Mattabique to? You know, he had a 13-sack season in 23. Yeah. And he came back in 24 with like six or seven sacks. And then only played two games last year. But that's the most. Two straight, pro-bull season. I look at him more as a Quentin Williams. And as far as his size and so forth. Okay. More of a three technique. Yeah, that likes to get up field.

17:28And so in fact, and I went back and looked at, he's at the combine. He was 6'3", 293, something like that, which is about what Quentin was. Both ran a 4'8", 3", at the combine. And so that same sort of athleticism. What? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. What'd you run, Everson? Oh, you didn't have. Wow. I'm scared to tell you. That was a bad feeling. I'm scared to tell you. You better than that, Bill. No, he's no one with that. I'm sorry. That's what I was thinking when I was like, damn, what did I run? You ran better than a boy. I did, but damn. You know, but it's so rare. 100 pounds. I mean, let's do this guy, man. You're in Aaron Donnelly class. So, if you can, as an interior pass rusher, 13 sacks in one season, that's, yeah, that's getting it. That's one step. I mean, yeah. So. You know, yesterday, you were talking, but yesterday when you were talking about the flex,

18:30I went and did some research on one, Everson walls, Randy White. You know, and I realized, you know, players make plays and you are a guy that was known for not always sticking to the structure of that defense. I heard old Tom called you out a lot. He did. I got the news and notes on you. I was thinking about the coaches, especially established coaches. Even Coach Roberson had an issue with, you know, what my technique was. Even though it works, coaches are always looking for it not to work. They always look for when it doesn't work. So, you know, that's just the way it is when they have a system in place and they want you to adhere to that system. Most guys that you bring in, they're going to be running four, five, four, fours. I'm four seven. Sorry, dude. I'm four seven. I can't do the same technique that you want. And the other thing was you had all these four, four guys, four, five guys getting toasted

19:33out on the corners. They could run fast in the 40, but they can't cover nobody. So I knew I could cover and I did have to come out of my bag to make certain plays because the defense, as I talked about, we are the sacrificial lambs in the secondary. And I was not going to be a sacrificial lamb. So I won't make it like I did some deep dive research. Nate from Frisco told me those legendary. Those legendary. They remember. Yeah, they're going to let you know. It's you forgot. Nate, what were my? He said those legendary long meetings that y'all would have with Tom Landry. And just saying that Randy White, you know, he would make an outstanding play in the flex and then Tom was still get on them about not taking the right steps and what he was supposed to do. But always coaching his guys and maybe that's the challenge that Christian Parker has right now. He told me once he said, stop trying to make any sessions all the time. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about? That's the look. That was the look. That was the look. Right there. That was it.

20:33What's Johnson. What are you thinking about? What's Johnson told me this story about Tom would send him in with the play at times. Of course. He'd go in, give Roger the play. And Roger would like ignore him. And I forgot it was a big game or whatever. And Roger changed the play and threw a touchdown pass to Drew, right? Everybody celebrating. Butch is coming off the field and Tom tears him a new one. What did you call? Did you not call the right play? And he goes Roger just goes right by. Well, just so you know, Tom didn't really trust Roger. Yeah, I'm sure really did not trust Roger. Well, he entrust Danny took a long time for him to make him the starting court. Right. You know, I was always fussing about how I just thought of till the fifth game. They were alternating play. I'm not sure. They were alternating plays against the Bears in 1970.

21:35That's older coaches or more established coaches. Man, they want you to do it their way. Yeah. Just the way it is, man. All right, we continue with more of the Cowboys shift in a moment. Every player in the league has a scouting report. Strengths, weaknesses, history, tendencies. But what if somebody built a scouting report on you? Data brokers collect your personal stats, your name, address, phone number, family details, and other private information. Then they package it up and legally sell it to anyone willing to pay. Then what? The person buying your information may not be looking to draft you. They may be looking to scam you, steal your identity, or start using your name like it belongs to them. That's where life lock comes in. Life locks automatic data broker removal tool helps find your exposed personal information and remove it from those data brokers. If you fall victim to identity theft, life locks restoration specialists will block and tackle for you, which means they'll handle your case from start to finish and restore your identity guaranteed.

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26:41There's also on the All-22s, you can't tell that the team was in no huddle. Remember the other day when we were talking about the play, the touchdown to digs. Oh, I got an explanation on it. He was right. Of course he was right. He's ever seen a wall. When downs went in motion. You got to go in front of the linebacker, not behind him, like he did, but he says there are other times that you go in motion and the safety drops down and picks up the motion guy and then you end up with the safety's responsibility at the edge of the front. That's a preplay call. Right. That could be the assignment because you can't get out there. If you're going and he's going and you're tied, he's going to beat you on what was at a three, four yard pass. Yeah. You can't get there in time.

27:41But if the safety drops down, then the safety can pick him up because he's already out there. But they have to gain play. But you got to, that's got to be the call. Can't be caught off guard. Right. Kayla was first running across the field to go guard his man and then as soon as he got there, there went digs to the other one. It would have been nice, like you said, if he could have just gotten the attention, was it to rant? To rant. If he could have just gotten his attention, they ate push. Yeah. And that's the stuff that you were talking about that comes time on task and guys playing to get if you could free, free lands, they're free style like that in the moment. Yeah. It's only veteran secondary. Exactly. Exactly. Because if I'm the corner and I got B, I turn around and go, what? What? He's a young guy. He's like, I'm not taking my eye off the guy. He's like, really? You're like, relax, man. Just calm down. But now it's, but he's already tuned in. Yeah. All right. The Ravens on defense. Who do you think is the guy on the Ravens defense? And it is a star studded cast of characters on the Baltimore defense.

28:46Who is it that Brian Shottonheimer is most concerned with? Hmm. He's looking at that. Look at that depth chart. Say a guy like Kyle Hamilton. Yes. I mean, you got it. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I mean, that's Kyle Hamilton to me is what we want for Caleb Downs to be a guy that could play all over the field. But he's obviously 6'4", 200 pounds. He's very rangel. He does a lot of things at the line of the scrims. Just seeing him, you know, these last couple games and just counting these guys, man, he's special, right? And for those reasons, the reason why they paid him. You know, and his position is listed as Nickelback. Actually, it just says DB. Okay. Well, that's what I actually think. The way he's being used the first two games this year, he's playing. It seems more like a linebacker than he is at DB. They're using him off the edge, some. Thank you. And part of that may be because of the injury that Teddy Buchanan and other linebackers.

29:51And so they're in big nickel and he's clearly a safety, right? He came in, the league has a safety, but you don't see him playing back at a free safety much at all. He's 6'4", 220. Right. That's exactly. Yeah. Right. And then they're dying. He's playing linebacker in the dime package. And so, but you'll see him. He lined up as an edge rusher a lot last week. Really? It's New Orleans, basically. It stand up outside line. He's almost like a Sam linebacker in many ways. Okay. So he is not playing deep anymore. He hasn't been at least. Not from my evaluation. Last week against the Saints, he wasn't playing deep any. That's all he made. And then I issue with their safeties last week late. I don't know that. Yeah. It's for safety. He might be dumb to say. I read something about their defense that they were in dime a lot. And they weren't. Which makes sense because then he was, but he's on the field as a linebacker and then

30:53you're right in a slot. And they weren't doing very well in the dime. They were having problems. Well, I mean, look, we know coming into this game, you're going to have to be able to run the ball. Everybody's stated that on every show. The Saints only had like 2.4 yards per carry, which is not good. 68 yards, I believe. And I'm just freestyleing in this right now. But they didn't have 100 yards. And it was because of that Baltimore defense. And they made sure that they kept a lot of it in front of them. The running game, we're going to have to stay balanced against Baltimore. If we become one dimensional, I believe that's where they can pretty much use a guy like Kyle Hamilton to hunt down Dac. So it's a lot of people, I'm very confident in our passing game. I just feel like when you get into a contest with a team like Baltimore, as we saw versus the Giants, when they feel position ball control, you to death, then that limits your offensive opportunities. And that's where the rubber meets the road.

31:55That's where you're going to be tested. I like how we still stuck with the running game against the commanders. It allowed us to be very productive on one of our crucial drives at the close to the end of the game. We're going to have to do the same thing this time. You have to both teams. They're going to have to keep the ball on the ground and just to keep the opposing defenses honest. So we'll see how well we can keep that going. I would imagine. And I believe shot it in this way. We love that. We love CD. We've got to get pickings on the road. But when it comes down to it, if you can run the ball against somebody successfully, man, we can put the passing game in the back pocket. I mean, we really can't. Just use it as a compliment to our running game. That would be so amazing for us, not just this game, but the entire season. So the running game, I think for us, is very important. Where's your confidence with that?

32:55We want you to just hit it. Where's your confidence with the offensive line? And then, of course, when he says that, that's the question. I don't know what Baltimore's defensive line looks like. I have not studied it. So I can't really honestly answer that. But I don't care. Who's offensive line here? You got everyone on the ball. You still have to try to run the ball. You won't be able to abandon it the way you did against the commanders. Because I think this defense, I believe they are a little bit better. Travis Jones, they gave a lot of money to. He got a $40.5 million contract this off season. He's a 6'4", 3'41 pounder. That's all. So forget the 2'15, we look at the 3'15. And then you got Rohquan Smith, the middle of that defense. Shotinheimer is talking about him. He was at Georgia. Shotinheimer had a cup of coffee as he puts it at Georgia. And Rohquan was being recruited. He had committed to Georgia.

33:56So he was around him a little bit there and he was impressed with just his, how much he loves football and studies it. He's a film junkie. You can tell it. He linebacker in this league. You got to be a film junkie if you're going to be successful. He's the mainstay in the middle as far as their run defense goes. I was definitely looking at New Orleans offensive line. Just right now at this point in time and season, I would think that they're just a smidge better than our offensive line. And they had some problems. I mean, because of how those Travis Jones are big old men, I mean, Walmart, Parking Pole. It's a big old guy. Hard to move. And he's got a bunch of guys when we talk about Kalea's Campbell. But I love what Tyler Booker said, man. Tyler Booker was like, look, we got to move people. We got to move people. We got to move people. I'm no choice. And that is the test that our offensive line is going to have to pass this week.

34:58I mean, two weeks of that sample size, you've got to pass the test of. I believe that's going to be the theme of the entire season. We're going to have to have a good running game. We already know what we can do is for us. Pass protection is concerned. I'm not worried about that. But we have to be consistent in our running game. We just have to be. So did they run last year? Yeah, they're all over all the entire season. Brand very well. The same offensive. No, Tyler Smith's not there. I get it. But it's the same five guys. You got it, man. I'm ready for it. I believe in it. 1200 yards washer last year. Yeah. So that's team is still here. That running back is still here. We don't have Malik, but you know, we still have who are the new guys on their defensive front? Hendrixson. Hendrixson and well, Kaleas Campbell from, because he was with the Cardinals. Right.

35:59And then they're, you get Matt a BK back. He wasn't playing with him last year. Okay. So yeah, those are the guys up front anyway. You know, I'm not going to let a guy beat me on reputation. You got what me. That's the way in the trenches. That's the way it should always be. You got to show me. I mean, we're the biggest horses on the team. So I'm not going to be afraid of somebody just because he's big. He better, he better, he's got to beat me. I'm hoping that's their attitude. Well, I'm garing to you as bookers attitude. So everybody else got to follow along. And the biggest change for Baltimore defensively is the coaching change. Right. With Jessie Menner as the head coach and Anthony Weaver as the defensive coordinator. So I can say that even if we don't blow them off the line, we're going to be in the way. We just need to keep them honest. And then we can pass the ball. Just keep them honest. We're not, I'm not looking for breaking anywhere, but if we can consistently get three or four,

37:00then come on, man, we got two of the best on the outside. They can get us four yards on third down. They can get us eight yards on third down. Is there anything in a game like this when you come for me first down as always? I'm looking at first down. What you do on first down, if you can, if it's, if you can make it second and sixth, you know, obviously you're getting towards a manageable third down. What are your keys when you look at coming into games like this versus a defense that you know you're going to have to continue to try and pound it? You said first down, first down rushing the Giants game. I mean, that's kind of how we were struggling so much because first down, we were horrible in the Giants game. This is the same way in this game. We still overcame it by being able to drive and make some plays, but that was only because we didn't hardly have the ball at all because our defense wasn't doing anything. So we're going to need our defense to participate. If they can participate, that will put pressure on Baltimore's defense as well. Let's put pressure on their defense for them to stop us.

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42:10Celebrate responsible in 2026 Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Cowboys shift person by Miller light. The only beer the Dallas Cowboys continues. It's Mickey's last segment here in studio this week before he gets on that big charter flight down to Rio. Comfy seats. And the Cowboys taking on a Ravens team. This is the second straight week that Christian Parker, the Cowboys defensive coordinator, is a good three years older than the offensive coordinator for the other team. Yes. 34 year old Christian Parker. We're making such a big deal about all of such a young defensive coordinator that the Cowboys have hired. Well, Declan Doyle, the offensive coordinator for the Ravens, I think he just turned 30. Wow. Yeah. What?

43:10Did he play? And then last week. No. And last week, he was David Blaul. He had just turned 31. So they're getting younger every week. Declan Doyle was with Ben Johnson with Chicago. But prior to that, he was with Sean Peyton. Okay. But is Miller running the defense? For ball. Yeah. We're talking about the offensive coordinator here. Yeah. I know. Oh. Okay. Okay. I was comparing defensive coordinates. Yeah. Right. But anyway, Declan Doyle was with Sean Peyton prior to that. And so anyway, these fast risers probably good in Matt Holland plays over there. They call this office. I love it. Now you got guys like that for for Christian Parker. They were asked about Von Miller. I think Von Miller, he's older than Christian Parker at Kalea's Campbell. He's got still active play older than Christian Parker. So yeah.

44:11Yeah. He's not getting a lot of snaps yet. He had. I wasn't expecting to this early in the season. I want to say he had 20 snaps. Older guys, they take a while to warm up for the season. You get them past eight. I don't think he's warmed up. Yeah. Yeah. So are we going to get a prediction from Nick before he gets out of here? 21 snaps score prediction. Are we getting any of that? I'll send it to you. Now you got to get your keys to the game. Come on, Mickey. Now give me your confidence in this deep. I only have five minutes to think about it. Come on now. You've been right to seeing that no pad right there. How does this defense stop Henry and Jackson? That's where I was going with Declan Doyle. And he's learned his lesson second half of the game against the Saints. He didn't run Derek Henry like he should have. And he's hearing about it this week. And so game plan is pretty simple. I'm curious. All of us could call plays for the Ravens. Give it to big number 22.

45:12Well, he got 16 carries. I think you only got four or five in the second half. Were they playing catch up? No, they were. They were ahead. They were ahead, right? They should have been giving it two or more. I mean, the penalties made that much of a difference to where they couldn't run him. Because if I would call, that was a third and one situation. Yeah, that was the one that they were third and one. They go deep. What did they do? OK. But they didn't give it 10. They didn't give it 10. That's the mistake. And that's what he's getting. So you'd rather Lamar Jackson throw the ball 31 times. No, I would not. I'm not talking much about Lamar today. Why? Why? Why? My friend. Why? We were long with being the last. Come on. We're good. We've made amends. All right. It's all good. But I think that cliche for Lamar Jackson, put it on Lamar's arm. That doesn't work anymore. I mean, Lamar has started off hot this season. So I mean, his average of 10 yards per 10. I've always thought his passing game, I like it

46:13when they depend on his passing game. So this is, I mean, look. You like it to happen that way? For Baltimore. If I'm a Baltimore fan, this would say. If I'm a Lamar Jackson fan, I like it when they put it on his arm. Because I've seen him take a game over with his arm. So if he doesn't have flowers, obviously, they're going to depend a lot on their tight ends. They win a lot of 12 against New Orleans. And that's what makes me nervous. Because of how we handle 12 personnel against New York. So look, it's going to three, what, three hundred and 47 yards giving up on the ground so far. You talk about the offensive coordinator kind of wetting the bed, not running Henry in that second half. I expect for them to give you a full dose. What defense do you expect this to be in? I mean, base. I think you know what you're saying. We changed. So this week in last week, last week we were in Nickel, Baltimore. That's a nice question. Yeah. Yeah. I would think that you'll have, you'll see more Tito on the field, Abonia. Or Bill or Bull. Yeah. You got to have it.

47:14You know, your young guys have to produce for you. And I'm with Jason, you know, Jason Barham is just showing me at middle linebacker. I don't know when, when guys come back from injury, I don't know how you replace him. I mean, he is, he is so solid. And especially in that second game, you could just see, you know, his IQ for the game. Think about, think about him a little bit with Lamar on the other side. Where did, where did Jason Barham grow up? Baltimore. Think Francis Academy in Baltimore. And so he's, I think he's torn. No, no. No, no. I mean, think about these. I think he's smarter than that. He's the greatest first two years of college in Maryland. And the last two years in Michigan, I mean, these guys are so young. And now what Lamar has been in the league since what 2017? Yeah, he's a Lamar fan. And so yeah. And so as a high schooler, Lamar Jackson was the guy he, he thought the same thing, probably to get a heck of a thing about Lamar Jackson. That aura, you know, now and now they're a canary.

48:17It's okay. Jason. And it's not just there, Henry, on the running, running plays, but with Lamar, you know, you still have to have a spot with this, for this guy, you know, we had to have one for, well, I thought we would have one for McDaniels or Jayden, but, you know, we need to have one for Lamar because he's a smart runner. So do they have, not as good as Jayden? Do they have one capable of it, but they don't have a healthy one. Yes. If overshadowed, if overshadowed were playing right and overshadowed not on the flight, right? I don't believe they're bringing them. Yeah. I heard the injured guys were going to stay here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There would be no reason. Yeah. And especially a 10 hour flight. Thank you. If you got something, you get another injury and you can, and yeah, so, so, so having said that, who's going to run with him and who's big enough to do something if you catch him?

49:20Would Caleb Downs be, would that disrupt the, what is it? Yeah. That would be the biggest problem. Yeah. Because if he's in the, if he's in the slot. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be hard to. So the only guy I can think of that might be fast enough, but big enough would be Schemar James. I think he's pretty athletic. And let's let's be serious here. The defensive line can also adjust their past rush. Thank you so long. They should have done that last game. Right. You know, you have to adjust. You can't just open up the middle of the field while you're trying to be the guy or letting the double team keep you at bay. Exactly. You know, so, you know, the defensive mind coaches got to come up with a scheme. I don't know if it stunts or whatever to make sure that Lamar stays in the pocket. Yes. He could, I'd rather he be as with his arm than his, his, his running because boy, the way Daniels, it tore us up. And, and, and my, my opinion on Daniels was make him run the play that they called.

50:26Yeah. Right. That's, no ad living, right? Yeah. Don't let them, you know, it's like, Oh, okay, I'm going to do this. We, we, same thing with him. We should have, we should have known that even before the commander's game. And so that kind of surprised me that it opened up so much predictably. Right. You know, that's, we knew that that's what he was going to do because he's Lamar's baby. That's what he does. Yeah. My pick to click is Quentin Williams. I'm telling you now because you won't be here. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. He's got to have an impact on this game. Yeah. You need this defense to close these exits for Lamar Jackson. Like you said, no improvising for Lamar Jackson. And then you know that he will, but in order for this to work against these guys after giving up three, 47, it's closed the exits. Just don't allow this guy to get out and be a playmate. If I was an offensive guard and someone like Quentin or Kenny, uh, took an outside rush on me, I feel kind of comfortable. Just let him go with it. Just let him keep going by because I know my quarterback is looking right here.

51:26And they'll be a scene. They'll be a scene. That's the way I would do it. So I'm sure Quentin, I'm sure Quentin, seen that before. That that people are going to take advantage of his outside rush. And so that's why I was I was surprised that they didn't make that adjustment in the last game, but they have to do it this game. They have to start off correcting this game. All right. Uh, that does it. Uh, you got any advice for Mickey down in real? Uh, the kickers. Do they have a lay down? Uh, seats. Oh, I'm sure. So you can go see him. He might just have a seat for his leg. So you can sleep with him. Yeah. Right. You can share his, his, your boys. Wow. Just stay at the hotel. Make it. Don't go out. Now go out, me. Go out. Go outside, see me. You guys want a headline? We got me. We got me. That's going to be you know, and if they got me, I ain't got no jewelry. I ain't got no money. That would be the worst decision they ever made.

52:29He's Mickey's back. No. We gave Mickey back. We took the mouth. They took them and said, nah. That's going to talk too much. They took the tape off. Oh, put that in this guy, man. All right. Well, enjoy an idea by the way. Enjoy your trip to Rio, Mickey. And, uh, I will. The rest of us will be here at 11 a.m. Ever said 11 a.m. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A little bit of the competition of the cowboy shift. Go Cowboys. This is been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this Cowboys? Yeah. Scams don't always look like scams anymore. The AI can make a fake ticket offer, look legit, or a sports book text sound official.

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