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3:00So I don't know where the rod Tucker is coming from. Secondly, I guarantee it'd be more fun to watch a football game with me than to watch soccer with Roger or basketball with Ray. I can't. Reggie was a much better player than I was. I'm sure Roger Bennett is like, I promise. Everybody listening or watching, you would have an amazing time watching a football game with me. Okay, maybe we arrange that. Maybe we have a contest. Watch football with Rod Tucker. Seaton, I guess, labeled you incorrectly? I just had a typo in what I was looking at, and it's for some reason Rod Tucker, instead of Ross, really cracked me up. So I just mentioned it. But it's really nothing deeper than me making a typo. But it was R-O-D-D. So not just R-O-D. Like Todd, it's Rod Tucker. I thought maybe you got a chance to watch a football game with me and Fritzi together.

4:01And it was like, you know, J-Lo, Benefer, or whatever. Where Fritzi and I were a combo package. I've watched a game with Fritzi. That was not fun. Especially if it's the Broncos. I mean, that's the only reason to watch it. Now, you and Cheyenne Irving would be interesting watching a game together. Maybe the Cowboys? I picture Fritzi just being a nervous, nelly, negative, the whole game. That does not sound like it'd be fun at all. It wasn't. I've watched a Super Bowl with him. I've watched regular season games with him. And he's a mess. He's a mess. Yeah. Okay. Were you invited to the Combine after your Lustery's career at Princeton? No, not even close. Not even. I wasn't even on like the Combine snub list.

5:03Which is fine because I stunk at all those drills for the most part anyway. It wouldn't have helped my stock, it would only have hurt me. Although, I might have been able to persuade some of the GM's if I got some of those interviews. That would have been my best part. But you did a pro day. I did. I went to Rutgers. I did a pro day two months after I had had hernia surgery, sports hernia, core muscle, whatever they call it. My numbers wouldn't have been that good. Anyway, Dan, but my agent felt like I needed to prove I was healthy. Here's all you need to know about my numbers at the Rutgers pro day. Before it started, there's like 16 NFL teams there. I introduced myself to the scout from the Eagles. I tell them, hey, I'm from Reading. Outside of Philly, grew up a huge Eagles fan. We'll go to training camp. You know, go to Princeton. And he's like, okay, because it's nice to have a local flavor sometimes with undrafted for agents. So we have a really good conversation. My pro day goes so poorly that afterwards, he won't even make eye contact with me.

6:11And he got out of the Rutgers bubble as fast as he can. And the Eagles, I played for almost every team. The Eagles never had one Iota of interest in me whatsoever. That's how bad my pro day was. The arm length topic that's now superseded the hand size. How important is arm length here? Okay. So this is exciting because you're talking to one of the world's foremost experts in this. And we had breaking news at the combo. For the first time ever, someone my height or taller has shorter arms than me. There we go, breaking news. For the first time at Carson Beck, Dan, I was six, four, and five, eights. And my arm length is 30 and six, eights, right?

7:11Thirty and three quarters. horrendously bad. So I no longer introduce myself as a seven year journeyman offensive lineman. And I'm now one of the 10 best NFL offensive lineman of all time was sub 31 in charms. Carson Beck was six, four, and three quarters. And his arm length was 30 and five, eights of an inch. Carson Beck, the first person, and I didn't realize this like in high school we're going back. If I just had normal arms, Dan, like 33 in charms, I would have been dunking in high school basketball. I would have gotten more girls. It would have been incredible. If I just had normal arms. If a Carson Beck's a quarterback. Exactly, which means it doesn't matter at all. Listen, it's not the be all end all. It definitely helps. Just like your reach helps if you're a boxer. But remember, Mike Tyson still found a way to knock out a lot of guys that had a longer reach than him.

8:18So you have to combat it. So I had super short arms. What would I do? I attacked immediately. I would call it's called jump setting where as soon as the ball is snapped, I would use the initial quickness to try to get on the guy right away. Because if I wait on them, Dan, and you go against like Richard Seymour, and they have the one arm. It's got a long arm that one arm. They put it right in my chest. I had no shot. I was like this. It was very difficult. So it's not a need to have. But it's really nice. And I'm very curious to know what my career would have been like. Just give me 32-inch arms. Even below average would be fine. But it's very hard to play professional football if you're a male version of a T-Rex. Would you rather face Miles Garrett or Aaron Donald?

9:21Aaron Donald. Yeah, I mean Aaron's incredible, but he doesn't have the length element that Miles also has. And if I'm going against Miles, there's a lot of space. Space is not my friend. With Aaron, I can at least try to jump him, try to get on him quickly, and give myself the best chance. I was pretty decent against power. It was more of the movement stuff that really would give me problems. Is Ross Tucker CBS Sports Westwood one analyst and host of the Ross Tucker football podcast? Let's look at the quarterbacking situations here. Where do you want to start? Which team do you think you have a better handle on what they're going to do here in the next couple of weeks or months? I actually want to start with a player. And I think this is fascinating. Because today's Ross Tucker football podcast had Greg Rosenthal. He went over his free agent rankings from the NFL.com.

10:23His number one ranked free agent then? Malik Willis. Yeah. And I know Chris Sims. I've heard Chris on your show talk about Malik Willis. Here's what's fascinating though. I don't really think people want to trade for Kyler Murray or to a tongue of Iowa. And we know Cousins going to get released. Those guys might get released, but they have a lot of guaranteed money left. What does that mean? That means these teams might be able to get Kyler or to a potentially for the minimum. For the minimum. Two has 54 million guaranteed. You can get him for the minimum. Are you doing that? Or are you paying Malik Willis? Who hasn't played that much football 25 to 30 million dollars a year and committing to him? On some level then, you're going to get a competent starting quarterback, like to a, and maybe Kyler, on the very, very cheap.

11:28As opposed to a guy in Malik Willis who flamed out, who he's going to be a free agent, and there's going to be multiple suitors because he looked good in the three games or every played last year. The financial element of this is really, really fascinating. Okay. So the dolphins are going to be on the hook and Arizona is on the hook for the money that Murray and Tua are going to make or still owed. Well, so what they're going to try to do is get anything in return, whether that's a draft choice and or get another team to pick up some of their contract. So that's what all the negotiating is. But is it like Denver eating the Russell Wilson contract? Well, that could be the case for both Arizona and Miami, or maybe there's so much money there that they have to give up a draft choice to get someone to eat half of it, right? Okay, we'll give Tua 20, you give them 30, and we'll give you a seventh round pick,

12:28or whatever it is. I'm just making this up. But the dolphins might have to give someone money ball it, if you will, then, might have to give someone a draft pick to get them to take some of Tua's financial burden off of the dolphins. They'd rather do that probably than just outright release them. A source was telling me yesterday we were kind of going over the musical chairs with quarterbacks. And he brought up, do you think the jets being on the clock with the second pick overall was enough of a deterrent that Trinidad Shambles goes back to Ole Miss and Dante more stays at Oregon? Do you think that that could have factored in at all for these quarterbacks to say, I could come out, but that's not where I want to go. Well, a lot of people were saying that about the New York Jets. And I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with that being part of the discussion.

13:31You have a chance to be the number two overall pick in the NFL draft. And I know you can say the Jets aren't a great organization or whatever. Ask Drew Aller from Penn State. Ask Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU. Ask some of these guys who are now just hoping to be day two picks who a lot of people were saying maybe last year they would have been first round picks or going into this year they would have been first round picks. So we'll hear all this stuff about Dante more and archmaning and Shambles and listen, they can't all go one or two next year Dan. And people, this notion that you want to avoid the Jets. First of all, it's a little bit disrespectful to their new regime. Secondly, what organization do you think is picking one, two or three next year that you think is so great that you're going to avoid? That is the worst logic. They make plenty of money.

14:31Yeah, you're going to tell me $5 million of NIL is worth turning down $50 million fully guaranteed. If you know you're going to be a top five pick in the NFL draft, you have to go from a business standpoint. If you love college and Oregon, if you think you need more time to develop, we can have that conversation. From a strictly business perspective, I think it's assinine to think that someone would return to school to avoid a certain franchise. Once again, it was just a thought that was brought up. No, no, no. And I believe you Dan, but I've seen many people talking about that over the last few weeks on social media, including people I respect. By the way, you're also then a year further removed from potentially getting $60 million a year after your third year in the NFL if you're a good player.

15:34It just, it doesn't make sense to me at all. I mean, who do you think is going to have the number one pick next year? You think it's going to be the Seahawks or the Eagles? That's not how it works. If Fernando Mendoza came out after his last year at Cal, okay? Yeah. Nobody knows him. Might have done the interviews great, might have been a decent combine. Is he a second day draft pick? I think so. I think he probably ended up being a day too pick. There was enough buzz about him at the end of last year. But even if he stated Cal, this past year not at Indiana, is he the number one pick on the draft? No, definitely not. But definitely not. Okay. He's the number one pick because he played really well, but the team had tremendous success.

16:35He played in a lot of big games against. If he stays at Cal, let's say they have a great year and they're nine and three. He's not the presumptive number one pick. He's probably not even top ten. If you're looking at the most impactful player, let's say, let's just say offensively. It's Jeremiah Love, okay? Agreed. Why would he not go second even though the Jets have Breeze Hall? If I can get another dynamic playmaker, why don't I cater my offense so you have to stop me? He can play wide receiver. I mean, you could Christian McCaffrey him and Breeze Hall, they're probably keeping. Why wouldn't the Jets take the best, the most impactful offensive player? Couple of reasons. I think one of which is the financial. You know, even to franchise tag, a running back is like $12 million.

17:36So let's just say they franchise tag Breeze Hall. You have a position like that for $12 million. You're not getting, and I'm not saying I agree with this, Dan. I'm just telling you, this is how they look at it. You're not getting the value of Jeremiah Love being a top ten player at that position. If you're paying him what those guys make already as the number two overall pick, he'd be right up there with, you know, towards the top of the running back pay scale. Whereas if you take Arvel Reese, and he's an elite edge rusher, rather than paying Miles Garrett or Micah Parsons $40 million a year, you're only paying Arvel Reese $10 million a year. So you're getting tremendous value. The argument would be that you're not recouping the same amount of value if you have a running back that high as opposed to the other positions where the veterans get paid an exorbitant amount of money.

18:38That's why you went to Princeton. I think so, and I always, I have the jacket to wear. No, no, no, no, no, no. I see it, I see it. What was your grade point at Princeton? 3.4. Good enough to be, I think they cut off for academic all American. It was like 3.3 or 3.35. I was right where I needed to be, Dan. Right, I qualified. You were an academic all American. Yes, junior senior year. Okay. Yeah, cosyda, cosyda district two academic all American, but we don't need to remember cosyda in the district, you know what I mean? I don't see a plaque there behind you with all your helmets and footballs. Oh, that's because I have, my wife made me put my prints in degree up, but it's on the side. I don't, that doesn't need to be featured. It's just on the side wall over here. He's Rod Tucker or Ross Tucker. The Ross Tucker football podcast following him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Thanks, Rod. See you boys.

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23:51Great to have you back. Oh damn Patrick, it's a joy to see you beautiful. How are you? How's morale? I'm alive, Dan, which is better than the other option. But only just is the honest truth in every God. These are the best of times, the worst of times. 100 days out from a World Cup and the world is making it quite complicated. I'm not going to lie. Okay. If you're going to pitch to somebody 30 seconds and you're going to say you've got to watch the World Cup. How would you use those 30 seconds to say you got to watch this event? Oh, tell them to buy my book because it's a magical telling of the power of the men's tournament which have come to realize, Dan, it's like a solar eclipse in Gulf of the entire planet for its duration. Who doesn't want to be part of that? I think that was even less than 30 seconds, sir. You know, time is money, Dan. And you know that when the Boston Red Sox played the Oakland Athletics,

24:54it's a fantastic game of baseball. It's like chess with chewing tobacco. But when two teams take their nation's shirts onto a football field, their nation's history, their nation's politics, their nation's cultures, take the field alongside them. It's a mirror to humanity. It's a mirror to our world. I think Walt Whitman, if he was alive today, he'd be a big football fan. He'd say it contains multitudes. And then the only other thing I'd say before we get into this, in our dark world, a world of chaos, the World Cup, 200 million people watch the Super Bowl max probably at this point, 5 billion people watch the World Cup. And so it's the last thing that completely, electrically, globally connects us in, please go the positive way. And we really need that right now, huh? Yeah, but you don't shy away from the geopolitical portion of the World Cup. And certainly what's going on now, teams that are countries that are going to be in,

25:56like, is Iran not going to be in? And then who do you put in if Iran's not going to be playing in the World Cup? You know, who quite possibly could come in if Iran don't get in, because they're already 36 hours into the weekend's darkness, the head of the Iran Football Federation said, yeah, we may not be able to play in this World Cup in Los Angeles and Seattle. It would be a rack, Dan. Oh, wow. Yeah, to your question, it's why I wrote the book, which starts in 1978, the first World Cup. I remember every four years, it's the spine of my life. Spine of so many Americans life now, this incredible tournament that is so rare. And almost like, you know, Dylan albums for Dylan Efficient Are Days, the World Cup is an alternate way for me of re-examining my biography. And again, millions of people around the world feel the same. I've always felt the joy of football is that it is a miracle to the world that surrounds it in all seriousness.

26:56It's always been very beautiful to me, you know, when the World Cup was in South Africa in 2010, Mandela, South Africa. And we got to see a whole continent rise and seize the world spotlight. It's very, very profound. It's very, very beautiful. We come to realize in modern times that the mirror stays true, even when the world becomes chaotic and ugly. It's kind of where we are right now. And as you say, the geopolitics could not be more complicated. It's fairly unprecedented that this situation, not just the U.S. situation, you know, Mexico, the violence there in Guadalajara, a World Cup city. Let's just say Canada as the third host, looking pretty bloody good right now. You look at the U.S. team and it feels like, in a different generation with landed Donovan and Tim Howard, like, we knew them. This team, I don't know if they're going to be more talented. I don't know if they're better, but it doesn't feel like we know this American team.

27:58As much as we did that team, you know, from a few years ago. Isn't that crazy? Because football has never been more popular in the United States. And it is now the economist a couple of weeks ago, revealed that soccer is America's third favorite sport. Just pushed out baseball. Ten percent of Americans say soccer is their favorite sport. It's a choice baseball at nine percent. I was laughing. I went on a rod show and he kept asking me variations of the same question, which was like, when's soccer going to take off in the United States? I was like, a rod. It's just edged out your baseball, baby. I felt like I was saying the world is round a rod and you are a flat earth. So the sport's never been more popular. We have a young audience that's grown world cup to world cup across this nation. And the crazy thing that's happened is, in the olden days, we used to cheer the US team just by default, because it was like what you had. But now this young audience, they cheer for Liverpool.

28:58They cheer for Arsenal. They cheer for Paris Saint-Germain. They cheer for Barcelona Real Madrid. They are watching 24-7. And you're right, it does feel like the US team has almost gone into a bubble. I do hope as one of the storylines, because we've never had more talented male players individually than we currently have right now playing on bigger teams and bigger games and bigger tournaments. Our women kick ass and take names and actually win things. But the men's team need to make some noise at this tournament to make our nation really cat. Does Christian Policic want to be the face? Does he want to be bigger? Because you have to put yourself out there to want to be the face of US soccer. You will have to get Christian Policic to answer that question himself. He is a... We've tried. He doesn't do much. Who doesn't say yes to deepening this game? I agree. Get Fritzy on the case, man. I mean, I'll say, I first interviewed Christian when he was 16.

30:00He is the most talented, the most accomplished young male footballer. Our nation's ever produced in terms of playing in the biggest games for the biggest teams consistently scoring. Clint Dempsey is the most remarkable in terms of his thriving in Europe. What Christian has done is without a doubt what he can do with a football. He's without a doubt peerless. He's also incredibly quiet. He's also incredibly introverted. But he's also the gentleman. He was cursed early by a reality TV show at a porn store. Whether we're trying to explain how much a Christian Policic sign jersey should be. And that the porn shop owner goes, Oh, dude's like the LeBron James of soccer. So that's kind of cursed him. And he is the commercial face. You'll see him in every ad. The ones that David Beckham is going to be all over our World Cup.

31:02But given the choice, does he want to do it? The honest truth is he's made it very clear. He doesn't. He loves playing football. It's where he's speaking. You know athletes like this in the NBA and the NFL. They like to do their talking on the court. That's who Christian Policic is in his heart. And so. Policic reminds me of Mike Trout from the Angels. Mike Trout, you know, it's like we're waiting for him to show his personality. He's not going to. Hey, you got to be the face of the sport. It's not happening here. It's like, you know, western McKinney might be the guy that people focus on. You're all right. That guy, you know, he wants to be maybe a little bit more. Yeah. I mean, Chris Richards who plays for Crystal Palace in the Premier League, this child of Birmingham, Alabama, who has made it to the Premier League. I've been driving a donation. You have not really acknowledged. I bloody blown away. Damn it. In your eye. Can I just say? I tell a story in the book about how I started a do morning jail in 2010,

32:06way ahead of football really taking off here. Joe Scott would just love the Premier League would have me on. It was crazy. Like they'd be doing like stagflation that the recession in the economy with Mike Bloomberg. And then they'd be like, and here's Roger Bennett. And I'd be like, yeah. So I drop in. And the second third, second time I was on Tom Brookes, stop me and goes, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. And I said, what Tom? And he goes, why are we talking about soccer on money when we have baseball and young Americans love baseball. And we should be talking about baseball. And he went off on me for five minutes. I didn't get a word in. But in my own head, I was like, I can't interrupt Tom Brookes. It's like the Queen. You don't interrupt the game. And he just, he danced on my graves. You know, spat me out. And I walked off set without getting a word in. I felt like that big. And they said, come on next week, Roger. I was like, really want me on after that man. There's just a masculinity to me. And every time for two years, every time he was on set, I'd be like, get Brookes off. They wheeled Brookes off. They wheeled him off. I like it.

33:06You know, off you go, Grandpa. And then two years on, they had him on. And I was like, get Brookes off. You're going to go on. Going live. Three, two, one. And I started. I was like, you know, Manchester and Brookes. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, what Brookes? What do you want, man? And Brookes goes, I used to hate soccer. I was like, I know you scarred me for several years, Tom. And he goes, and now every Christmas, I go with my son-in-laws to England to watch four or five Premier League games. And we fly coach. And I realize, when we've got Tom Brookes in our football camp, tomorrow night in Houston, we're doing a live show with J.J. What, you know, that child that Wisconsin, who grew up playing hockey and gridiron football. When we've got Brookes, and we've got J.J. What, and we've got Dan Patrick dropping names. I think we've kind of made it. Is this the moment football makes it in America? I think so. Roger Bennett, the founder, CEO of Men and Blazers Media Network, and his book, Released Today. We are the World Cup, a personal history of the world's

34:08greatest sporting event. But you bring up an interesting point of, you're building a brand in a country, soccer, men's soccer, trying to build a brand in the same country here. And the challenges of being able to do that, it feels like you've been more successful than maybe the U.S. men's team has in building that brand. Yeah. It's the story of my lifetime is coming over here, 1994. The last time the men's World Cup was here, going into the World Cup, there was a study release. That's how this story in the book, where they said, soccer is the 67th most popular sport in America. Track to pulling is 66. Again, everyone taking a dump on soccer. They were like doom saying, like, this is going to be a disaster. No one's going to go to the games. I went to the game in Chicago. I didn't have any money for a ticket. Just to mill around in case no one turned up to try and look like a third cousin at a wedding. Just like to meet the background in the photos, kind of feel a little over. It was mobbed. Americans love a circus.

35:09They love an excuse to day-time drink. Still the best attended World Cup ever. It will be broken. Please God, this summer. And it was meant to make America a football-loving nation, 94, like space to Captain Kirk. The final frontier was what the U.S. was. But it didn't happen overnight. Instead, it's happened organically, authentically. Instead of it, soccer becoming like a yo-yo or a hula hoop, like an overnight sensation of fad. The roots have really deeply, beautifully. It's been a story of my life damn-watching young Americans. Our audience, you know, 18 to 24. Fall in love with soccer, men's soccer, women's soccer. You know, there's an enormous Hispanic audience in the United States. And Americans love the best. You're drawn to the best, the NFL best in the world. Sorry, Canadian football league. The NBA best in the world. And the complicated thing for soccer, Dan, is that the best in the world is played in England, the Premier League. And ultimately, that's where the audience has really been captivated

36:11with the rise of streaming, the rise of cable. Being able to see games live every week. Follow along via the internet. That changed everything allowed young Americans to connect to these teams from Los Angeles as if they were in Liverpool. And that's what's kind of driven the connection. What's amazing is that, you know, young Americans have now fallen in love. Like young Americans like Tom Broca. I've fallen in love with the sport. What's amazing is, and it's not discussed enough. The Premier League is now owned majority by Americans. The most, you know, over half the teams have American owners. Not just the Red Sox, Tom Werner, John Henry, running Liverpool, the Dodgers, Todd Burley, and his group running Chelsea. Manchester United, the Buck and Ares group, the Glazers, for good or for bad, and so on and so on. It's incredible. Like, you know, America. We are, essentially, after this World Cup, going to be taking football again. It's complicated, for good and for bad, into the American age, which is crazy. Give me the best case scenario for this United States team.

37:15Oh, Dan. I mean, football, if it's not about optimism and hope and delusion, then I don't know what it is. And I do a dream of these boys, you know, Tyler Adams. This young guy from Wappen just falls New York, who drove six hours every day for five days a week, for seven years to train in New York City. I mean, they sacrifice the dreams, the hunger. I dream for them. I really do. I mean, the bottom line is, it's crazy. Oh, women, kick ass and take names. Oh, men, in this nation, where we put a man on the moon, we invented the Krona amongst other things. We've won one bloody knockout game in the... You know, going back to George Washington in the World Cup, that's crazy. Morocco got into the semi-final with joy and worth and audacity. We've won one knockout game in our nation's history. That's all I need to know. What is the best case scenario here?

38:15What am I going to say? We're going to win it all. It's a dream of every night. That's the best case scenario here. I think that's it. That could happen. I will take that bet on the, from you, Dan, if you believe that. I hope it happens once in my lifetime, Dan. I don't ask for much, man. I don't ask for much. What if England won? Oh, that'd be a bearable, won't I? That'd be a bearable. That'd be a bearable. That'd be a bearable. What if England win? America get ready for the sight of growing men bending over. And... Well, I can say, firing fireworks out of cavities, you did not know it was possible to fire a fire girl. It's crazy, man. You've just asked me the equivalent of, what if Charlie Brown can kick a field girl with Lucy holding? I mean, England loses. England self-sabotages. England creates trauma. That's what England does. England wins. Is anybody better at losing than England? Oh, yes.

39:15Why did the Chicago White Sox just pop into my head and you caused me pain? No. No, I mean, above my head, I have a book, which is a biography of English World Cup campaign. You also had the Tracy Chapman album over your shoulder. Oh, Tracy, come on my show. You're the one guest we've never had. She was a soccer player at Tufts, three goals, two assists. Just come on. Come with me. No, you know what? I have that on there. It's because when my team, I support Everton, we're very bad at football. When we lose, which is often, I put Tracy Chapman fast car on, and I realize the agony I'm feeling is nothing compared to the pain that Tracy knows. In the epigraph of my book, I used a line from the Uruguayan poet, Eduardo Galliano, who said football is a pleasure that hurts. And so England, they hurt the nation. They raise their hopes. They shatter them. The book I have above my head is called 40 Years of Shite. Am I allowed to say that on the other day? I was just kind of captures up where they are.

40:17I support America now anyway, baby. So I honestly don't care. He's Roger Bennett, founder, CEO of Men and Blazers, media network, and the book released today, where 100 days out, we are the World Cup, a personal history of the world's greatest supporting event. Pleasure to talk to you again. Good luck with the book. Danny, thanks for having us. I love you. I love your team. It's really a joy to be with you again. Thank you. Thank you, bud. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk line up in the nation. Catch all of our shows at FoxSportsRadio.com. And within the IHART radio app, search F-S-R to listen live. Pay around the corner and around the globe. Apple Pay is accepted at millions of places worldwide. Wherever you see the contract list symbol in stores, or the Apple Pay button online and in apps, whether you're checking out on iPhone or Apple Watch, just double-click, pay, and be on your way. Add your debit or credit card to wallet, and you're good to go. Pay the Apple Way. Terms apply.

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44:24which wasn't the case. We were flexing in because it was a better game between two Red Hot Easter Conference teams. The other game was, I believe, Dallas versus Atlanta, even though Atlanta is playing a little bit better. Dallas is kind of going the other way. So that's why we flexed into the game. It wasn't that we had inside knowledge that Tatum will be back. To answer your question. And you and I have kind of talked about this. When he should be back, I'm hearing as early as Friday that he's thinking about coming back. I believe they do play Dallas at home. I'm from the thinking I would like to see him come back in the playoffs when people are like, well, he needs games under his belt. This will be a decision that he has to make. I think it's a foregone conclusion that he is coming back this year. I'm a little surprised. But I think he's been doing this working so hard. For his mental. And I think he's ahead of schedule. I don't know if you've watched any of that five part documentary

45:27of, you know, the quiet part of them following him around. The best thing, if there was knock on the wood, the best thing when he tore his Achilles in game five, I believe, in New York, that the doctor was right there, that they attached it right away. And the thinking was the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience. That's how quickly within 24 hours, they had the surgery on the Achilles. So that's why he is so far ahead of schedule versus the Damien Lillard or Tyree's Hall of Burton is because they had the surgery within 24 hours. But I don't know why you're pushing the Celtics of one eight of 10. They're really getting a lot of contributions from a lot of different players. And I don't know if, you know, maybe you're not rushing him back, but it feels like. Let's clear this up. The Celtics are not rushing Jason Tatum. No one is saying, come back and play. This is all coming from Tatum's camp.

46:28So the Celtics are being very patient. Wait, come back. Tatum can say when he wants to come back. Yeah. At the end of the day, this is going to be Jason Tatum's decision, along with the doctors, they'll get me wrong. I mean, they're going to put them through vigorous workouts and all that. But at the end of the day, Tatum will have the last say, saying, I think or I want to go. Okay. It won't be the doctor saying that. So no one from the Celtic side is trying to curry up the process and get Tatum back on the floor. This is all, the narrative is all coming from the Tatum side as it should be because it's his decision and his decision alone. Let's go back a couple of weeks. You're there with Caitlin Clark. Mm-hmm. And you say to the other guys on the NBC set that her play reminds you of Peyton Pritchard. Mm-hmm. Okay. You see Peyton Pritchard last night. Does he say anything about that comparison to Caitlin Clark?

47:30Well, we have the conversation because when I said that, it was a Sunday night game. It was our first Sunday night game. It was in New York. It just so happened, we had a game Tuesday in Dallas with Boston. And obviously everything blew up after that because they're saying her look like she felt disrespected. This is people saying she felt disrespected. And the question from Maria to me was, who does her game remind you of? It wasn't the question of historically or stature wise who is she compared to. Because of that was the case. Obviously, the W and the WMBA, she has brought so much attention and eyes like a Stefan Curry. So if that was the question, then I probably should have said Stefan Curry. But I was going by game alone. Like, who does her game remind me of? And when I look at Peyton Pritchard and if you've watched Peyton Pritchard, which you've seen a lot, because you live in that area,

48:31they're very similar. Now, he's probably a better score once he gets into the pain. But I was talking about it in terms. She loves to go left and that step back three. Deep three. That's Peyton Pritchard. Throw ahead. Get the ball back. Big quick moves. Assist. To me, that was Peyton Pritchard. I think people got caught up because it wasn't a huge name. You know, people say, you could have said, Damien Lillard, you could have said, Tray Young, you could have said, Stefan Curry. I was comparing the games, guys. Not the stature of Caitlin Curry. Did you see her reaction, though? She was surprised with your react, with what you said. I didn't see her reaction. So everyone was like, did you see her reaction? I was like, I was talking about the game. So, but, if you see, if I let you do it again, right? If you've seen this game recently, everyone, like the game against LA, everyone was like, oh, I guess Reggie was right. Reggie closer to that, then she is to Stefan Curry. Stefan Curry is more off the ball now.

49:33Caitlin Clark has the ball, like Peyton Pritchard has the ball all the time. It's just that Peyton Pritchard to the common fan isn't well known, like Stefan Curry. But to the basketball people, people know Peyton, people really love Peyton Pritchard, but it is what it is. If you had to do it over again, and I ask you, who does Caitlin Clark's game remind you? I'm good. I'm going to say Peyton Pritchard, Stefan Curry, I'm going to say, Thomas Magic Johnson, Peyton Curry now, SGA, she's all of them. All right. She's everywhere. Who would have known that you would have thought you'd get embroiled in something like this, but, I was like, really, really, and that's because, I'm comparing her games. See, I know. People don't know Peyton Pritchard game. Exactly. And, you know what?

50:33I am always exchanging these summer league videos with Marvin. It'll be a Sunday morning at 730, and I'll send him a video of Peyton Pritchard playing in a, some kind of summer league game, a pro-AM game, and he is unbelievable. Unblocking, scorching. Yes, scorching. But again, he is not a health, he itself is. She think of Kate Em and round, and you really don't think of Pritchard. But the basketball fierce, we know who Peyton Pritchard is. But again, it wasn't the name. I guess she wasn't looking for, or the people were looking for, but. She were looking for stuff. They were looking for stuff. But that's not her game. That's not her game. The only thing that she hasn't come in with stuff is that they both shoot deep. Steps out the wall now. Yeah. We're talking to Reggie Miller. I read you on the call for the Celtics and Peyton Pritchard against the 76ers.

51:34There's the Magic City game in Atlanta. And I was curious. Are you going? No, I'll be working. Okay. I'll be working. Have you been to Magic City? The Wing Establishment in Atlanta? I'm sure at some point, I am. Have I ever built a Magic City? Maybe. Have you ever been to Magic City? I have not. But I did when we went down to do celebrity family feud. I gave Marvin. You did a show from Magic City? No, no, no. No, no. I did celebrity family feud. And we were down there and it was, we went to dinner and then Marvin says, hey, I'd like to go to Magic City. And I said, I'm not going. I gave him $100. And he said he was going to make it rain. And he went there for how, you made it drizzle. How long did you go for? So I thought I was going to go there for, you know what, 45 made its tops. Three and a half hours later. Whoa, Marvin.

52:37He said, who was there? Lil Bawa. Lil Bawa and T-Pain and a Jermaine Dupree. Okay, it's safe to say to answer your question. I've never made it rain in Magic City. So I can say that. Marvin, you made it sparkle. Marvin, you have won up me. You have won up me. I've never made it rain in Magic City. Have you made it sprinkle? I've never made it rain, sprinkle, drizzle, a little cloud cover and then of that. You, that wasn't back in your generation though. I, I think it was back. Was it, how long has it been around? No, I mean, making it rain. Oh, I know. That's a new thing, making it rain. Yeah, like James Harden is MVP at making it rain. There's probably a jersey in there. Yeah, when you, when they retire, you're jersey in a strip club. That's wrong. There's so many ways we can go with it. Making, making it rain.

53:41Good for him. Okay, I took credit. Now I have to take some blame. I would pester the commissioner of the NBA. To, why don't we establish a number of games you need to play to qualify for first team, second team, third team for MVP. And I kept saying 65. Now, whether he listened to me or not, we're at a point where Joker can't miss more than one more game. SGA, you might have somebody win the MVP who is not really the MVP in people's eyes, but only because they qualify. Would you, what would you do with the 65 game minimum to qualify for postseason honors? No, no, I'd get rid of it. I, that's a hard number in today's game. And I know it sounds so trivial for people to say they can't play 65 games. The amount of running and how the game is played today.

54:42I see where the injuries are coming from. I think 65, that's a, it's a tough number. And in terms of someone winning MVP, I would be okay if a kid cutting him on MVP this year because of the numbers games. His numbers back it up, his team's back it up. I would be okay if Jalen Brown won MVP this season. His numbers back it up, his game backs it up. So it's unfortunate injuries are a part of this game. But I was going back. Didn't A Rob win in baseball. He won an MVP. I believe with the Texas Rangers and they were like in last place or something like that, right? Or second to last something like that. Andre Dawson won an MVP with the Cubs. They finished Lance. I think Cal Ripken might have won an MVP. So I mean, it's unfortunate. I talk about injuries being a part of it.

55:43I don't personally like this 65. You look at the all NBA teams this year. That's a different conversation. Because we can have people that are making the all NBA teams that probably normally wouldn't be first, second, or third team because of this 65 game rule. The awards I can kind of see. But there are going to be some guys on the all NBA team where you're going to be scratching your head a little bit. Jeff Cheeg has the club 520 podcast. And he was asked the following question. Watch and yoke is not like. And y'all think how good y'all could just. How good you think Larry Burr would be right now? Larry Burr. He would be a small four version. You think he would be like one of the best like. Yeah, Larry Burr would do this night and night now. Sometimes I used to watch like older people play. I used to be like, man, I thought they can't this for doing I watch yoke. It's just like, he's walking around.

56:43He just make it look so stuff. I'm like Larry Burr play right now. Like Luke Gunn y'all could just be walking around. Larry Burr could play at any error generation and dominate. Same with magic. Those guys, Michael, it just doesn't matter. You could plug them in the 60s and you could plug them in today's game and they would be just as dominant. People say, Shaq wouldn't be as dominant in today's game where there's so much space and they're switching. Everyone plays five out zero in and they're like, Shaq would not be as dominant. You guys are out of your day of mind. Shaq would dominate probably even more so because he would be fouling out all these, he would be fouling out and be in the jokers. It would be ridiculous. Larry Burr would dominate in today's games and he gets the shoot 15 to 23s.

57:45Are you kidding me? Why is it, and Seaton brought this up earlier, if Larry was that greatest shooter, why did he, he never averaged more than three, three pointers again? The game was played different because the game was played with your back to the basket. It was more physical and there was no zones. When did it change? I would say early 2000s is when the game started to drift to be more space, pace, open it up, more running. I would say right as dollars retiring, 2004, 2005, that's when, because we want it scoring up, and how do you get more scoring? You got to make more threes. So team started to take and make more threes. So early 2000 is when it shifted. But is this golden state changing the game or is it before golden state?

58:47Well, if you remember, run TMC with Dom Nelson and Chris Mullin, Mitch Richman, Tim Hardaway, they were ahead of their time. But I don't think they were shooting threes with regularity. I think that they were running. They were like they are today, but think about it started with March accent and then Steve Kerr just took it to a different level in terms of head coach. You had two of the greatest shooters ever on one team and Stefan and Clay Thompson. So why not utilize that? And yeah, but I was trying to think was there another player team coach who said, you're going to have to play our style at the other end of the floor. And we're as a reason that's how the subjects and how the subjects won their championship. And they've been in contention over the last five, six years. Joe Mizzou and them, they want to take 43s. And I think last year they average 18.

59:48This year they're averaging 15 made three. So if that's, you know, without Tatum, without Tatum, he makes up those three or four three. So that's how Boston plays. That's how they're successful. But people don't get it twisted. Another reason why Golden State was so good at winning championships. Their defense was elite Boston. Their defense is elite as well. I think we talked about this. I had Robert Aureo on. And Reggie's a whole famer. And I'm going to say this because it's just like Dremon Green, you're part of an ensemble. Robert Aureo, when your nickname is Big Shot Bob, you played for the Lakers. You played for the Rockets. You played for the Spurs. You have seven NBA titles. And you played big in big minutes. This is no different than Michael Cooper with his contributions to the Lakers and being part of an ensemble. So now I'm on this kick to get Robert Aureo into the whole of fame. And I know he was a good college player.

1:00:50Wasn't he said he probably didn't have any play designed for him in his career. Right. But he was playing with unbelievably talented players who kind of overshadowed anything that he did. It was Tim Duncan Spurs. You know, it was a Keem's Rockets. It was Jack and Kobe's Lakers. But Robert Aureo has seven titles. And it is part of winning those titles. Not only seven titles, but if you go back to each one of those runs for him, there was a moment in each of those series in the finals where the nickname became true. And I'm with you on that. People love to focus in on the numbers. I believe it doesn't even have over 11,000 career points. That's not the point you and I are talking about. Is what difference did you make on those championship runs? And whether it's the tip back to him

1:01:52at the three versus Sacramento, the huge shots that he made on those back-to-back title runs in Houston or with the Spurs, the little hip-check too was Steve Nash to extend. There's moments that we know about Robert Aureo and I agree with you. And Shack and I, we've had this conversation before that Big Shot Bob should be a Hall of Famer. Eventually, I think he'll get in. Everyone does, but yeah, I think he should be a Hall of Famer as well. Yeah, man. And plus, he was a guy who would give you 100 blocks. Yes. People forgot how good defensively he was. Yeah, we, I ask him, I said, better defender, Mike or Scotty goes, oh, Scotty. Like, he didn't even has it. Yeah, I would say, yeah, Scotty was guarding one through five. And as good as Mike was, and I say that because Mike had to guard me.

1:02:54I mean, I had some of my best games against Jordan. So, but when they put Scotty on me, it was a little different. Well, I always go back to when Scotty picked up Mark Jackson full car. And I felt bad for Mark, because Mark's not going to be. We didn't know that it was coming because that's what he did to John Stockton. Completely took him out. When he picked him up floor, and we, we should have known that. But we did. Thank you. Regis always would talk to you next week. Well, for you, I met him sitting on the magic setting, Mark making it sprinkle, Regi Allowicious Miller Jr. the third. Imagine never having to buy gas again. It's true. It's real. And it's here right now. EVs are as easy the charge as your phone and they're perfect for everyday life. You can drive daily with confidence everywhere you go. And most Americans drive about 40 miles a day. And most EVs are equipped with 200 to 400 miles of range.

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