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1:00Listen to the Solid Verbal College football show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, everybody. Amy Robock and TJ Holmes here from the Amy and TJ podcast. A lot of times, the story of the day is what we're all talking about and buzzing about. And yes, sometimes it's love island. And sometimes it's Serena Robes. Coming back to the US Open, sometimes it's obsession and Spider-Man making box office history. Hopefully, Rose, people get our point. Listen to Amy and TJ on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Why are you dealing with listening to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. Lot of news is boring. And tedious and depressing. And makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world. I know something about a comedic tone. What? We have a winner?

2:00Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On August 4th, 1962, Marilyn Monroe died. Then the rumors started and she died again. And now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died, the third way. I'm Jake Brennan. And on my podcast, Hollywood Land, I revisits some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history, separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them. Hollywood Land is part of the exactly right network. Listen to new episodes every Monday on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick Shioan Fox Sports Radio. The newest member of Football Night America, former Stealer head coach Mike Tomlin joining us on the program, what's it like to have all this free time now? Oh, man, I am having the time of my life to be quite honest with you.

3:02I've never had an August man since I was like eight years old. You know what I mean? I've always been on a football team and then a camp like setting of some description. And so man, August was great. I can't wait to see what September is like. OK, but your body reacts to certain times of the year. Like, you know, got to get ready for this. This is the middle of the season and to the season. So what's it like when you know you're supposed to be, you know, somewhere in Pennsylvania two days. It's hot, getting ready for the season. Meanwhile, you're sitting at home, whatever you're doing. Hey, my pulse rates a lot lower, you know? Man, it's crazy how quickly you can get used to chilling. You know what I mean? I've enjoyed 20, 26, man. The free time had an opportunity to really just focus on my wellness, man, getting in the shape and things of that nature, man, when you lead a football team

4:04and football organization, sometimes man, you put yourself last. And so it's been good, man, to kind of focus on some things like that and really just have time to be present with my family and friends. I went to a family reunion a couple of weeks ago, man. I hadn't been to a family reunion since 1997. You know, the family reunion is always the third week in July, OK? Where have I been? All of my adult life is third week in July in a football camp. And so like my family was laughing that I was there, you know, it's been a good summer. I haven't seen you this animated before. Thank you for smiling. I mean, I hear I'm pretty pleasant to be around these days. How often did you break camp and know exactly what you had with your team? You know, I always had a pretty good idea. I think that's what camps about. Like, you know, you go there to ready yourself for the team for the season individually and collectively,

5:05but from a coach's perspective and through a coach's lands, I think you want to be able to anticipate what you have in all three phases, how you're built, how you engineer victory and things of that nature. And so always left with a pretty good understanding. But you really don't know until the bullet start flying. That's just a component of it. But I think you certainly understand what neighborhood you in when you leave a camp setting. I wonder if Aaron Rogers would have come back if you were still the head coach. Did you have conversations? You know, Mike comes in, but I wonder, you know, what would have happened? I believe he would have just been in 12 months with Aaron. Man, this guy has a love affair with football and all components of it. The process, you know, meetings, team development. He loved training camp last year. You know what I mean? Not a lot of guys, man. Enjoy training camp settings the way I watched him enjoy it.

6:06And so I just think man, he's built for it. He's healthy. He's certainly capable. And so I think that he would have strongly considered it regardless of circumstance. That's just my gut feeling. Yeah. And he's credited you with helping him fall back in love with football. Are you going to be able to watch the Steelers without saying we? No, you know, like I'm not going to kid myself. Like, you know, I'm going to root for those guys, man, because, you know, that's just who I am. I spent 19 years there. I'm at a hand in selecting most of those guys. And so when you have those intimate relationships, certainly, that's going to be a component of viewing for me. You know, I don't know how much I'll even fight it. Talking to Mike Tomlin, you can see him on football night in America, starting next Wednesday. It'll be the Seahawks and the Patriots. What advice would you give Mike McDonald as the head coach of the defending

7:08Super Bowl champs with that following season? You know, I think the number one thing is, is the journey. I think sometimes when you've been to the destination and particularly when you've been to the destination recently, you want to hurry up and cut to the chase and you absolutely can't. And so he's got to take his team through the process again. A lot of them have been a component of it in the past. Some of them will be new. But I think he's got to do the best that he can. The white slate clean and make sure they appreciate the present and the journey that they're on right now. And I think that, you know, I think there's a lot of outside forces to be quite honest with you that's going to be helpful in that regard. And I think the rams are getting so much positive attention. I think it's going to be an asset to them in terms of getting his group's attention in that regard. Where would you put Aaron Donald all the time? Oh my gosh. He's in that elite group. Is he Reggie White?

8:09Is he Lawrence Taylor? Is he, is he in that mean? I think about those first ballot interior guys, man. That elite group, I think it's about five of them. Probably sat be in the most recent. He's in that elite class. He'll be a first ballot hall of favor. He's one of the legendary guys of the game at his position, regardless of generation. I just think he belongs in that discussion with the elite of the elite. I've talked to Bill Cower about when Ben Rothlessberger was his quarterback and said their time Ben would act like he couldn't hear a play. Where Ben Bill called in something and Ben would, you know, what kind of interviewer, how did you handle your quarterback? You know, more than anything, man, I, it's my job to make sure his talent show up and to, and to bring the game to him. And I think different players digest the game in different ways

9:11and play with different styles. Ben didn't like constraints and so I always wanted to accommodate that when, when, when I was capable. Some guys approached the game like an engineer. You know, he approaches the game like a pickup basketball point guard. You know what I mean? There's a fluidity and organic component to his game. And I just never wanted to stifle that. Did you hate the patriots or the Ravens more? Oh, certainly the Ravens. Okay. And just because of the intimacy of it, it starts in your division before you can dominate the AFC and the NFL. You got to dominate the division. And certainly we've been in close quarters with those guys a lot over the years. But no problems with the patriots. You're, you're okay. You were okay with Belicechek and Brady? Oh yeah, man. Like, you know, I respect certainly what they were able to do and love,

10:11competed against them for sure. Good luck on Wednesday. Man, I need it, man. Thank you. Is anybody giving you advice, though? Man, everyone. Are you asking for advice, though? I am. I am. Like, I'm excited and nervous at the same time about this new challenge and new space I'm in. And so I'm certainly paying respect to it from a prep standpoint and and gleaning information from from my peers, particularly those that I have relationship with, relationships with, and that have done it at a high level. And so I saw a lot of advice. I've gotten a lot of advice. I'm really just excited about doing a good job for the viewing audience. Great to talk to you. Good luck, coach. Thank you. Dan, thank you. That's Mike Tomman. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick Show. Weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I Heart Radio app.

11:13Hey, it's Kavino and Rith from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live, weekdays for 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. We're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yep, that's right. You can now watch Kavino and Rich's live on YouTube every day. All you got to do, search Kavino and Rich FSR on YouTube. Again, go to YouTube, search Kavino and Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon, and comment away. I'm Mungus, you're together, and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time, I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about, and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you, and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, a suppose to his brain.

12:15Here's some hard truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year acceleration. And get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. If you're a bookshelf and you're a four year page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. So obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest

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14:17It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran, or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is A's Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. I actually, can you help me shape this? Yeah. How about we flip it on his head? No. How about we flip this around? Okay. How, what is the surprise one, man? Well, actually, you think as the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird.

15:22Adam Scott, love. This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never let go of that. I have. I would never set expectations for something like that. It sounds like if the universe allows for something like that to happen, I am open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah. It's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you. I was like, smell this. Exactly. I was like, is that what you need? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben stiller, no. I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, it's so stupid. It's a wrap. Everyone's so dumb. I'm excited for you. And fake. Right. Fake and also not interested. Or just like, oh, I've got my pipe. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode.

16:25But he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart. And these are the survivor files. You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't play anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up. Without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed. And I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth Smart

17:26on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. He is the Big Ten Commissioner, Tony Patiti, joining us on the program. What kind of year do you think you had if you were going to sum it up, Tony? The year ahead, I would say, uh, week, week, if you're asking what the year was this past year, that's an interesting question. I mean, on the field, and it couldn't have been any better, winning the football championship and both basketball balls and a total of 13 national championships across everything we play. I think it was probably the most successful year in the history of the Big Ten on the field. I think for our student athletes, it was nothing better. You know, obviously, college athletics deals with all kinds of challenges every day around, you know, legal cases. And, you know, this seems to be a new idea, new challenge coming every time you come to the office. So that part has been difficult. I would say the main thing is, and we're really fortunate in terms of attendance and viewership. Those things are still just remarkably good for us.

18:26And so that's the core of what we do. So thank God that's still going as good as you could possibly hope. Why do you feel so strongly about the rostered NFL players not being able to return to college football? There's a bunch of reasons. I think look, this is supposed to be. The system was always about you, calm, you play your time here, and then you kind of give way to the next group coming up. You know, I think people sort of forget that when kids come back, there are kids that have been practicing since the spring. They're trying to win jobs, trying to be starters, trying to be the first backup. And then that goes on all summer. They're working really hard. I think, no, we don't want to sort of forget about that piece of this. And we talk about kids coming back. So the system is built on that kind of movement. It was meant to be a place where you have your time. You compete. If you can go on and play professionally in any of the sports, we play. That's great. That's part of the journey. But you're going to do other amazing things in your life with all the benefits you've had or being in the Big Ten. So I think that's the core of what this is supposed to be. I think we shouldn't be disrupting that. But Tony, I've been saying for a while now a couple of years

19:27that you have professional players playing in Europe, basketball. And then able to come to the United States. Why do we allow professionals in basketball to be able to come and take roster spots in the United States? I mean, you're raising a really good question about what happens pre-enrollment, right? Football is unique. It doesn't have that pre-enrollment problem, Dan. You're not coming out of high school playing professional football. So there's no pre-enrollment issue. But in college basketball, there is. And I think you get a lot of coaches who agree 100% with what you're talking about. I think we have to get into a sense of we've been in this this kind of waiver environment where some kids get to have that exception based on what you actually did when you're in Europe. And as you know, like not every kid is exactly the same when they play over there. And then when they come here. So I think with your point, it's something that's just an absolute necessity. We just have to get clarity. We have to get into having rules and not having exceptions and waivers that make it really hard. Because then kids are going to think, well, I look like that student athlete who got that. Why is that? Why don't I get the same waiver this kid got? And that's when you end up in court every other day.

20:28So I totally agree with you. We've got to have more bright lines, you know, more simple rules and make a decision about, you know, what we want post-enrollment and what we are willing to allow pre-enrollment and be consistent. Why can't we have a commissioner for college? Let's say college football, a commissioner for college basketball. I mean, it's been a lot of talk about that. And I think when you see some other things about that happen half. And look, the tradition has always been this way. The conference system is the way this has been built. You know, as you know, you know, for many years, the NCA really controlled the way football was operated in this country back into the 80s. And then it became a conference system, you know, in the 90s. And that's what's really survived. And over the last 30 years when I was at ABC Sports, you know, we sort of went from having like the CFA College for Pulse Association, that broker part. And that gave rise to this whole structure of, you know, conference media deals. So, look, I think the CFP is a good place for us to start to do more of what you're suggesting, which is to come together and use the structure of the college football play of to come together, to use that to make rules, how we manage the game competition committees,

21:29and at least start with empowering that organization because all of the, you know, we all compete for the championship in that organization to use that to do more. I think it would be a great start. He's the Big Ten commissioner, Tony Petiti. How is Big Ten football different from SEC football? You know, I think our, I don't really usually try to compare what we're doing, Big Ten SEC. I think what we've got is great programs. You have really good coaching across everything. We're trying to great student athletes to play. I'm really excited about, you know, the returning quarterback play we have this year. I think 10 of our 18 are returning. They're starting quarterback this season. So, we have great depth. I think the way I look at it is that we're blessed to have this rivalry. I think anything you want in sports is you want competition. You want your fans to deeply care about something. So, not only do we have rivalries inside the league, but this is sort of competition with the SEC. I think it's a great thing for college footballs in all the other sports we play. So, we kind of lead into that. But at the same time, like every season's different, every week tends to be a little bit different. But I would just say we have great depth and strength.

22:30You know, we've been super successful the last three years. We know that we've played in 14 of the 22 CFP games the last two seasons. The 2014 playoff feels like the SEC might be warming to this. You would know better than me. I'm only going by a source saying that, you know, the SEC is, you got to convince them. So, what role can you play in convincing Greg Sanky and the SEC to warm up to 24 teams? Yeah, when we work together on this, you know, not on every day basis, but very frequently about the future of the playoff and what the format should be. The way it's structured is the two leagues have control of any of the changes to the formats. We've got to come together. I think there's been an evolution across these ideas. I think there's a lot more momentum for 24. It's definitely, there's definitely, you know, people warming up. I think a lot of coaches and ADs across all conferences really support the idea of 24. I think, look, we got more than 100 teams playing trying to compete. It's not a high percentage. You know, I typically go to practices in camps in the summer.

23:32I'll go see five or six schools every summer. And you want all those teams to be playing for something meaningful. And once you want to a 12 team playoff, you basically said this is it, right? This is where you need to be successful. And we just got to increase the opportunities for student athletes, for our programs and the other piece of it, at the investments that are being made, you know, that justifies having more access. Access is really key. I think, I don't think Greg disputes any of that. I think his league feels the same way. We just got to work through the details of how we actually would do it. But I feel good about the evolution over the last six months about how people are sort of directly realizing the benefits. I actually think it would drastically change regular season schedule. How close do you think we're to a model like the Premier League? Or maybe the NFL, where you know, you have divisions, conferences, the same thing. And maybe you got 35, 40 teams, maybe less than that. How far off is that model in your opinion? I mean, we don't talk about that. We're happy with the 18 members that we have.

24:32We feel the structure that we have to compete and schedule works well. I think what we're focused on is I think there's a lot on the table that we can still do inside college football. I think in the big 10, we can really improve our schedule. I think fans want us to, we can play more of these games. I think we've got to solve the postseason access issue. Once we do that, you know, we can sort of solve the other issue, which is to have more, you know, impactful matchups in the beginning of the season. I think everybody's pointed to that. There's a lot being written about, you know, this year and what's scheduled next year. We can make that better. It's right in front of us. And we don't need to change our structure to do that. We just got to, we got to solve the access to the postseason. It coach is comfortable that an early season loss isn't going to wreck your season. I love the rival over you, though, with the SCC. I like when, when you jab, you know, a little bit, Greg Sankey's got a sense of humor. Will you have a sense of humor if he's jabbing you back if the SCC wins the national title? I mean, look, that's that's part of it. We have some fun, you know, our social media teams like to lean into it and fix some fights and have our fans pick up on it. There's lots of memes that get sent to me every day.

25:33I'm sure he gets them as well. Like, that's the beauty of it. You couldn't write a better storyline. If you're trying to script this, you would want this, right? You'd want this rivalry between the leagues about who's better and when and, you know, who's deeper and who's better at the top. Like, yeah, go ahead and have that. Let's go play on the field. And I think that's why we should play more in the regular season. Like, if we did that, it would just inspire more of it. It's just, like I said, it's an easy thing to accomplish. We know it works. You know, we look, Texas and Ohio State in just a couple of weeks. Like, we know the impact that game's going to have. We saw it last year. That'll just be a great event for college football. You just need to do more of that. You got to Oklahoma going to Michigan. So there's some opportunities there. And we know when we play those games, we get tremendous audiences, lots of buzz. And it makes the whole game in the sport better. Could you do a week where it's the SEC Big 10, like we have in basketball? I know there's more games. But could you do that based off last year's record or, you know, this team is going to play this team and, you know, all the way down to, you know, I don't want Rutgers, you know, playing LSU.

26:36I want somebody who maybe is kind of commensurate to their talent level. But can we do that for a week? Yeah, you're raising a really interesting scheduling thing. Not only for the way you schedule, like non-conference, but actually schedule. The NFL does a really good job. The reason why, you know, you saw the Brady Patriots and the Manning Coles play so often. It's because they were playing because of where they finished in their division standings. Right? And there's something to learn from that. You know, I think it would take time to get there. But you could do what you're talking about is exactly the conversations we have here. We model all those things out. We have to have, you know, we have to come together to do that. But I think all of those things are in play. Like you don't necessarily have to schedule home and home. So like you can say, one year you're playing in this SEC team. And the next year you're on the road, but you're going someplace different. Those are all great ideas that I think fans will lead into. You know, and there's also something like we have some really historic stadiums in both of our conferences, especially on the big 10. And having fans have an opportunity to travel and see those, you know, see those stadiums go play at some of these places would be great. I think they would inspire a lot of road trips in both directions. No matter how many teams, if you add new schools to the big 10,

27:38it's always going to be the big 10. We're not going to actually have the exact number. That'll never happen. Not the big 18. I don't think so. I think everybody sort of likes the big 10. And we've got a logo that sort of, you know, allows us to sort of not like highlight the one like right behind my head here. What's the B1G? I give Jim Delaney credit for that. Thanks for joining us, Tony. Have fun this year, this season. Thanks so much, Dan. That's Tony Petiti, big 10 commissioner. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at FoxSportsRadio.com. And within the IHART Radio app, search F-S-R to listen live. I'm Mungeshia Teghler and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about. And what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you.

28:41And then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, a supposed to his brain. Here are some hard truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year acceleration. And get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the IHART Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the big money players network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week we talk to someone in show business, aka the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. I actually, can you help me, can you help me shape this?

29:43How about we flip it on his head? No, no. How about we flip this grab? Okay. How, what is the surprise one, man? Well, actually, you think it's the straight man. It's actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott, love. This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never let go of that. I have, you would never set expectations for something like that. It sounds like if the universe allows for something like that to happen. I am open to it. I'm always going to accept, you know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you. I was like, is that what you need? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Yeah, Ben stiller, no. I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, girl, I go work to save it. Everyone's so dumb. Ben, fake. Right, fake and also not interested.

30:45Or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show. And he wants to be a guest on every episode. But he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart. And these are the survivor files. You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed. And I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.

31:48But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Beniero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself.

32:51So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're a bookshelf and you're for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm gonna have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is the Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much,

33:54you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. From other people, any doubts, any conversations with the wife at night of uh-oh? The doubts were, hey, we're still going to be married at the end of this, right? Because you're on the phone talking to sources all of the time that you say are very important and we're at the beach with our daughter on your quote-unquote vacation. That was the doubt. But in truth, like those sources were right the whole time. Dan, the thing that was interesting yesterday, and many things were interesting yesterday, was just what the NBA would do about it.

34:57And that's what we found out is what does the internal politics of league governance look like when you have a scope that leads to a rabbit hole that has four separate companies in it, manufactured paper trails, fake jobs, not just for co-yliners, but for the companies, like fake consulting jobs for the companies that funneled money to co-yliners through the clippers as well as those companies. And you have now, as of yesterday, an SEC Securities and Exchange Commission, not South Houston Conference, SEC investigation into the scoreboard company that, according to the NBA, got the deal to build the halo board into it, though, because they were willing to funnel money to co-yliners. That's what the NBA could not deny. What did you make of the punishments? I thought that it could have been more. And I think that it is two things. The biggest punishment for an owner that we've ever seen in American sports, I think, when you account for

36:01the fact that it is Steve Balmer banned from the building for a year, his head of business banned from the building for a year, his head of basketball banned from the building for six months because Lawrence Frank, that basketball ops president, participated and provided contemporaneous notes to the NBA, by the way, a whole other rabbit hole of why was Lawrence Frank taking notes during the Capsurc convention meetings in which he is quoting, thanks to the NBA's investigators, Steve Balmer talking about how he's going to service Dennis Roberts in a co-yliners to circumvent the cap. Why was that there? Interesting. 30 million dollars is changed to a guy with 145 billion, depending on Microsoft stock. But the thing about the scope and the vastness of it, the five first rounders, I mean, I just, I think it was unprecedented in that regard, but also because it was narrow in scope. There are names in this report that we have been talking about for a year that did not

37:02show up. There is a line that walked out lifting the law firm put in. Their investigation is ongoing. They are still receiving tips as recently as just weeks ago. They are still investigating. It's only the beginning somehow, which is kind of the through line of the whole thing. Okay. Can you give me best guess of what you think could be next involving the Clippers? Well, let's just take Steve Balmer at his work. He has written a letter via his very expensive attorneys to Adam Silver blaming this podcaster for getting the NBA to do a prejudiced investigation. And at first, after the ruling came out, he threatened arbitration. But this is something that's very interesting that I don't know if people appreciate about what the NBA did. When the NBA tried to settle with Steve Balmer and they said, Hey, we have a narrow scope. We have undidiable evidence. We want to just make sure that you have the opportunity to take your punishment, admit wrong doing, and let us all move on. Steve Balmer, according to everything that we've seen now play out in public

38:05after that East End story two weeks ago, decided to fight, decided to mount his own campaign. And the NBA said, well, in that case, we're going to do something that perhaps cost Steve Balmer by surprise. They found a way to settle with Kawai Leonard and the players union. Why is that important? When Kawai gets a slap on the wrist, that's where the slap on the wrist was then, by the way, $700,000 for Kawai Leonard. Again, historically, that's quite a bit, but in terms of the role he had in the whole story, that the slap on the wrist, he can now go on to Toronto and the, you know, the betting line can adjust based on that. If Toronto wants to go through with this, not knowing what else is in the box, I digress. They got Kawai to settle. And in the NBA, what Adam Silver knows better than Steve Balmer and his lawyers know apparently is that arbitration can only be activated by the union. And so arbitration, because of that settlement, is off the table. Can't go to arbitration. What can Steve Balmer do? He can literally sue the NBA. He can sue Adam

39:09Silver. He can sue me. He can sue Walter Lepton. He can sue you. He can sue everybody. And that opens the door to spoiler alert, more discovery of documents. Could he have mitigated, like how much damage could he have mitigated by just saying to the commissioner, I'm so sorry. I, I fall on my sword. Something that was really interesting in this Wachtel report was how much the NBA leaned on. The interview he did with the S.P.N. and Ramona Shelburn, the day after part one of my story came out. When Steve Balmer went on air, and it is so interesting, if you guys have some free time, if you want to, you know, up the right in your own marriages, go rewatch that game film sometime. Take time out of your day to rewatch what Steve Balmer did, after knowing what he actually did. And you will see that he is lying repeatedly. And once he does that, and he's on the record, lying in public about what happened here, the NBA now has the ability to fact check.

40:13As I did, as I have been doing this whole time. And because he decided to fight from day one, as opposed to what you suggest, which is say, I am horrified by what I try to do. I love basketball too much. I wanted the thing that I know I can't have even though I'm the richest owner in sports. And I am so humiliated by this. And I want to put this behind me and move on. I don't think we're here. I don't have a 15 part series. I may not have a Pulitzer rise. The NBA might not have a 35-page legal report. Steve Balmer may not pay $50 million, as he has now said, for the legal investigation into him, which is what has happened. It's crazy. That was the fork in the road. And he chose, I would say, to not tell the truth. We're talking to Pablo Torrey, the journalist, podcaster, host of public Torrey finds out with metal-locked media. This isn't the first time that this has happened with an owner. It won't be the last. But I'm just surprised it hasn't come

41:16up before. Now, I know that Balmer tried to do this with Deandre Jordan, which doesn't help his case in this situation. But do you think that this is how prevalent do you think this has been? And is there anything that you're interested in that might be going on akin to this of circumventing the salary cap? You got me to do it one time. And I said, what about a certain player who plays in a city where I may be living right now? And I said that and I've been trying to manage the expectations ever since. Stan, I see what you're doing. You're a clever interviewer. You're looking into the Nixon-Jalen Brunson. I am not focusing on the, what do they say when you're the SPN employee and you're trying to break graphics without breaking graphics? You say, I am not currently targeting. I am not currently looking into. I'm not currently circling. Have you? Jalen Brunson in the next. I've had all sorts of calls about so many teams. I've talked to

42:17people on the next about all of this and they're just not the focus because we have other things that are by the way coming very soon that are in the vein of what are billionaires who run sports trying to get away with using your money. And I will leave it there just for now because I think we got to button some stuff up. But that's, there's, let me say this, soon on the show, we will start a new series. And that new series will speak to a lot of the themes and even more, I think, even greater complications for what the everyday person in America should be worried about. And so, what did Bomber do here? What makes this one special? He had the ambition of creating a scheme that is beyond what other owners have attempted. That much, I am very comfortable saying, this is the furthest point in the spectrum of attempted salary cap circumvention. People do it by degree. No one did it by this order of magnitude. And that's why the NBA,

43:20which wanted to make everybody stop talking about this. It's why they had to do the thing we saw yesterday. How does ESPN go with the story with their finest investigative reporters that basically exonerated the clippers in Steve Bomber? I mean, I for 15 parts a year did, of course, the other thing. I found sources whistleblowers, documents who were willing to tell the truth. What was left open, if you think of all this as sports, right? What's left available as territory for us to claim? What ESPN apparently saw was the clipper side of the story. And the NBA immediately within an hour refutes it. Most effortlessly with Mike Bass's name attached to Dan and you know how rare that is. For there to be a byline on a statement that says significant and numerous inaccuracies. And what ESPN had done, according to my reporting, is they were fed a story by the clippers

44:21that the clippers may have known was not true. And why do you do that? Well, perhaps it's because that's the available territory that you have, having been beaten on the other part of this landscape. Perhaps you really believed it because the clippers look you in the eye and for months, for a year said to you, we're telling the truth that annoying cloud chasing podcast or is lying to you. And at a certain point, it's a test. You choose to believe the evidence, the sources, the journalism, or you try to get a win even when the game's already over. Do you care? Have you received an apology from ESPN? You know what's interesting? I submitted. I was told after the story published, hey, if you want to have a comment here because this is effectively refuting your whole deal here, will include a statement from you. And so I submitted a statement and I'll just paraphrase it. It was we stand by our reporting and we look forward to the MBA's ruling.

45:25Our investigation continues. For whatever reason, ESPN did not include it. And so I don't expect an apology, I don't expect anything. Nor do I think I even need or deserve one, right? Like I'm a big boy, as they say. I just wonder why it happened like this because in this story, a story of no alternate rational explanations, it sure seems to me based on my reporting that they got fed a story by the people who were lying to everybody this whole time. And I got implicated as a result of the how much money did Kauai Leonard make off the books in your opinion? So I'll tell you factually what I know and what I don't. So aspiration is a total value of 48 million dollars. Now let's bring in the other companies, right? Boyingo wireless. Of course, which is just funny because of course, the wireless provider of the Intuitoam is given Kauai Leonard payments off the books. Of course,

46:28Dectronics, the Swarbert operator is of course, locked in insurance. The insurance company on the construction of the dome is doing the same thing, Dan. Those three companies, according to the MBA's investigation, through 2021, guaranteed $18 million to Kauai Leonard. So doing the math at $66 million only through, let's call it 2022. She resides with the Clippers. As I said before, on my show, in January of 24 for a discount, a discount less than the max. Why and what happened there? And so you're at $66 million plus. I've told the story at the beginning of it around the Rhode Island football club, starting at LLC, in which she got secret undisclosed equity the week before he signed the extension. And I ask, as always, what else was there? And I have a feeling, as always, that there is more. Congrats. There's been a long process there. And

47:32at least to get a trophy. You get something the Clippers don't have. You get a trophy. I wasn't going to make the joke, but I'm glad you did. Thank you, Pablo. Pablo Toreng. You want to pull it surprise? I think it's a trophy. I don't know. I haven't even seen a Pulitzer. Is it a statue? Is it a plaque? Maybe some of my best people could get on that right now. A ribbon? Wait, Pablo. Okay. What I hope, I don't, I don't, admittedly, I've become known now for my investigations. I don't know what this looks like either with all crafts and barracks. But my hope is that it's a karate trophy. I want a big karate trophy with a karate man on the top because I only was a white belt and I've been chasing that higher of sets. So, that'd be nice. You might need that white belt. You're going to need a brown belt. You know what? The more questions

48:32you ask about Jalen Brunson, the more martial arts you're going to need in New York City, Dan. You brought up Jalen Brunson again. You pesky journalist. Yeah. All right. I'm not winning a Pulitzer. All right. That's Pablo Toreng. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick Show. Weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I Heart Radio app. Hey, it's Kavino and Riff from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live, weekdays for 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. We're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yep. That's right. You can now watch Kavino and Rich's live on YouTube every day. All you got to do is search Kavino and Rich FSR on YouTube. Again, go to YouTube, search Kavino and Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that thumbs-up icon and comment away. I'm Mungus, you're together and I'm back for the new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys,

49:36blue zones and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about. And what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, a surplus to his brain. Here are some hard truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a 4 to 5 year acceleration. And get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is A's Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners.

50:36Each week we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip this grab? What is the surprise one then? Actually, you think the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott. This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come visit the show. I would never let go of that. I have never set expectations for something like that. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I am open to it. I'm always going to accept. Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you. I was like, is that what you need? No, it's fragile masculinity.

51:41Ben stiller. No. I think there's a lot of times out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, girl, go work to stay. Everyone's so dumb. And fake. Right. Fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode. But he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood handbook on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're a bookshelf and you're for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed.

52:44From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is the Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. When I was 14 years old I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. I just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up, don't say anything. Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up,

53:46without a doubt he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced, but these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive, listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast Solita we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Piñero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone I kept meeting people and they were like you smile good that's not a lot of people smile around here.

54:49It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, PN Senior NBA writer Brian Wynnehorst joining us. Wendy great to talk to you. Is there any way the clippers can mitigate any of this damage moving forward? Absolutely. Number one, they can drop their chance of, you know, threats of legal action because I don't think it's going to be successful. And you know, they really need this co-I Leonard trade to go through that they negotiated with the Raptors as constituted because they're going to get two first round picks for them.

55:51And you know, in the case of the Minnesota Timberwolves situation and I think it's really reasonable to point that out because obviously it's the one comparable incidents in this in the history. They were docked five first round draft picks just like the clippers. And when the Timberwolves kept their noses clean and stayed on the straight and narrow, David Stern ended up giving them back two of the two of the picks. And that happened over a five year span. They were hit with the picks immediately over the following five years. In this case, the picks are starting the penalties start in 29. They go out to 34. Who's to say that by 2031 or 2032 if the clippers keep their nose clean, they won't be able to get some of that, you know, one or two of them back. That's something that you can talk about off the record right now. And so in the case of the Timberwolves, Joe Smith's contract was vacated, it was avoided. He was a free agent. In this case, the clippers are permitted to keep the player with no significant

56:52penalty. They can trade him and get assets back for him. Not only that, but the length of the investigation the clippers used in their favor, they were able to make moves that landed them the number five pick in this year's draft and the ability to negotiate this co-I trade without a suspension hanging over his head. So they are in a lot better position to absorb this than they would have been if this was handled differently. And while I understand that hellhathno fury like angry billionaire with a hundred billion dollars, he probably should listen to a little bit of reason because the league said or at least the report said that this investigation isn't over. They left open the possibility there could be more. So yeah, I think obviously there's a shock in the announcement and there's a shock when you read all the details. When you get past it, I think the clippers can mitigate this in a way that can I see people referencing a death penalty.

57:53It's not a death penalty, Dan. They didn't give a playoff ban. They're still going to have cap space this summer. They're still going to have, Dan, they have a first round pick in the 2027 draft. They didn't take it. It's a swapped pick. They're going to swap it. I think with Denver Oklahoma City, it's probably not going to be a good pick. They have a draft pick in 2027. So this is it's bad. It's a blow. You know, you're losing a limb, but this is not a death penalty. Billionaires usually don't get told what to do. So I'm sure that Steve Bomers surrounded by people who telling what he wants to hear. But at some point, you have to, I mean, they, Lawrence Frank was taking notes in the meeting about circumventing the salary cap. I get what point do you say, hey, I'm an impenetrable or the commissioner needs me or I'm so like, I don't know if there's arrogance involved in this, that letting down this path. Well, I don't have, you know, I'm

58:57nipotent understanding of everybody's feelings on this. But what it looks to me like based on this array of statements yesterday and the clippers put out a public statement and then released a two page angry letter to Adam Silver. There's a lot of copy generated yesterday. It looks to me like what they are focusing on is a legal ease situation about how the arrangements were made. Like, no, no, we didn't facilitate the deals. We just acted as middleman. And that seems to be their like legal argument and where they're ready to go to battle on. But Dan, here's the thing. He didn't do any work for these companies. He didn't do the endorsements. He didn't do it ads. He didn't do any of it. It's, you don't have to have like next level understanding of all this stuff to understand that it reeks of quid pro quo. And what we didn't understand until yesterday was that this was four companies, four of them. And Dan, I don't know one of the companies,

1:00:01two of the companies openly cooperated, aspiration and dectronics. Now aspiration and even the report says that the guy who's in the federal penitentiary is not credible. And I agree. I don't find him credible. So they're kind of even, I mean, they put it in there, but they're kind of been ignoring him. But they had dectronics. Dectronics copped to it. They openly said what happened. And I get why they're saying it because their CEO yesterday had an earnings call and said that the SEC is on their backside. Like, this is not to be messed around with plus they want to do, you know, they sell scoreboards. Do you want to be in business with it with the NBA if you sell scoreboards? I think you do. So they cooperated. But here's the thing, Dan. This investigators had the data and the money for all four companies. How'd they get it if two of the companies didn't cooperate? They had internal whistleblowers participating. They had the dollars, Dan. They knew exactly how much was paid. So these companies didn't do any ads with Kauai. He didn't act as an endorser. So

1:01:07this is a thing like Steve Balmer or another owner could look at you square in the face with their hand on the Bible and say, we have the agents for our superstar players on our backside all the time about getting them deals, getting them endorsements. Absolutely, that happens. And absolutely, there's teams out there that have acted as middlemen. In fact, there may have been teams out there that have acted as more than middlemen. But those players to our knowledge, at least, are doing the endorsement contracts. Like when you see a, you know, the star player doing a deal with the team sponsor, he's at least out there with his face on it. The reason this is so repugnant is that it just is very cleanly obvious that it was a kickback because in this case, they weren't, when in 2019, they didn't just sign Kauai Leonard. They were also building the arena. And so that meant there was a whole bunch of vendors and companies that they were doing hundreds of millions of dollars in business with that they don't normally do. You don't build the arena

1:02:07every year. You don't buy a hundred million dollar scoreboard every year. But this year, they were building the hundred million dollar scoreboard in Pablo Torre and Hunter Brook Media when and dug into the Dak Trionics was struggling at the top. I don't need to go into all the details. This report, if you were on a jury and you didn't know anything about basketball, you didn't know whether the clippers played in Los Angeles or London. If you got this report and you read it, you would vote to convict. I don't think it's even really close. How did Kauai kind of skirt? I know it's $700,000, but I thought he was going to get suspended or they avoid his contract. What about you? Well, I think there was two reasons. Well, there's I would say this. There's probably some unknown reasons that we don't know. I'll just leave it at that. The second thing is when you have a disciplinary action with a player, you have to there's an arbitration process spelled out in the collective

1:03:08bargaining agreement. The arbiters are already picked. The process is set out and you're going to have to present evidence and potentially do interviews and stuff like that. You have to go to court. And I'm not sure that the investigators had the documentation where they could win an arbitration against Kauai Leonard. I do think they felt like they had the documentation to go against Gillian Zucker and Steve Balmer. Basically, the burden of proof of Kauai was much higher. But I'm not going to say more than that. You know more than that. I don't know. I speculate. I'm not going to get into that. I always find this tricky. Whenever I have a source, you always have to wonder if the source has an agenda. I don't know how you navigate this. Now, first 10 years at ESPN, it was a pretty powerful place even then. I never question as much as I should have. What is somebody's agenda here?

1:04:11And I don't know how do you navigate if somebody gives you the information of, okay, do I trust them? Can I go with this? You know, like Pablo Torre. He's one guy going against very powerful person here and didn't back down. But you also have to wonder about that source or sources. What's their agenda? Yeah, it's an absolute, the complex web that we operate in in the modern era. This is absolutely a factor. And you try to do your best is either you try to do your best. You don't. That's the basic way you can say it. I mean, even a moment ago, I praised Hunter Brook Media. Hunter Brook Media has done a bunch of investigations. I don't know if you're familiar with them. No. There are new media company. And Pablo has partnered with them. Hunter Brook Media is a hedge fund backed media source. They do investigations. And then oftentimes, short the companies that they do the investigation against, which they disclose.

1:05:11Okay. And I'm just telling you that they had done, did great work here. But they have an inherent conflict of interest. So yeah, it's a hard thing to figure out, which is why a lot of people end up stepping in quagmires. And caution doesn't always win the day. Sometimes people who are cautious get rolled over. This particular situation is extremely thorny. And this is an imperfect response. The NBA is not going to be able to get up because it's so nuanced. That's why I think the clippers are so mad because I think the clippers feel like they were dancing within the rules here. And they feel like they can more to the point. They feel like they can prove that they we can dance within the rules. And the league is basically saying we don't think you can. I think the last one of the public statements that the clippers made was so telling during this process, they said, we didn't, we are not guilty of what we are accused of.

1:06:17It's a loaded sentence. So you get into situations like that. And it's it's, look, I have spent a lot of hours in the last couple of weeks reading legal documents, Dan, while covering the NBA with the whole bus family. And now the clippers, this is the error that we're in is that I've got to read all these legal documents to cover the NBA. Talking to Brian Wynnehorse to the mother ship, what happens with the Lakers with the bus family? Well, the gigantic difference between a year ago when the, when the Lakers sold and then this time, and I mean, this is elementary, but it needs to be pointed out is that a year ago, the buses had majority control. And now they do not. And when you are a minority shareholder, you are exactly that you don't get to have say. Now, GD bus standing is a little bit different as she is the governor, but she, as the governor, you serve at the, you know, the pleasure of the controlling owner. And so the Lakers controlling

1:07:18ownership is going to change hands, whether the bus family can get their act together or not. And whether Genie has a title of governor or not, the controlling owner, which is going to be Josh Kushner assuming that he completes it. And I think Bob Iger is going to be the managing partner. They're going to have control over the Lakers because they don't need the 17%. The bus family drama is amazing. There has been two television shows in the last five years about the bus family one directly, the HBO show, the second one running point, the Netflix show, which Genie made was really about her. It wasn't, it was based on her life. And neither of those shows will be anywhere near as good as the true story of what's happening within that family drama. It is incredible. Oh, palace intrigue, but they no longer have control over the Lakers. And so what will remain palace intrigue won't affect the decisions with the basketball team. 12 and a half billion dollars. What do you make of that price tag?

1:08:18I make the Genie bus sold low so that you could get a sweetheart deal for herself because I think 10 billion was low. And I'll tell you this, I can't predict the future. I wouldn't sit here and try to guess the socio, the macro economic future of the country. But my guess is that the 12 billion dollar purchase will not end up being a bad one. And here's something else. Bob Eiger and Josh Kushner were trying to buy the team in Vegas. And the thought process was that that was going to cost maybe eight or nine billion dollars. Okay, and maybe more, maybe one to be more. I don't know the answer, but that was about what they people thought was going to cost. So they were trying to raise eight or nine billion. This is what you have to understand. When you hear that the lake yourself are 12 billion, they're not actually selling for 12 billion. They're buying about 73% of it at the 12 billion valuation, which means that they're going to be paying about eight or nine billion. Okay, so yeah, they only have 73%. But they're controlling it.

1:09:23So what would you rather have Dan? Would you rather spend the same amount of money to own the Vegas, this name goes here or the Los Angeles Lakers? Is LeBron still in the hunt for the expansion team? Is he allowed to be, have his name involved in this? So he has openly said that he is no longer pursuing that. Okay, two things happened. I think number one, the, you know, LeBron was never going to be able to be the controlling owner of a team. He has done fabulously well. His net worth is north of a billion dollars, but a billion dollars, even if he sold everything, doesn't get it done, you know, and even two or three years ago, when he was really looking at this, it was still going to take in the, so you needed a partnership where you would partner with somebody who had a giant piece of money that would be your partner. His partners with Jerry Cardinal and the Fenway Sports Group, those were the groups he was, he was in business with, they have backed away from NBA ownership. In fact, Fenway is divesting.

1:10:26They just sold a big portion of Liverpool. They're selling. Jerry Cardinal has gone on the record on numerous occasions saying he thinks prices for NBA teams are too high. So his preferred partners were not looking like they were going to bid on Vegas. So that was one of the things that happened. I mean, he could have found other partners, but that's one thing that happened. The second thing is he's still playing a great basketball player and he's still able to continue to play and he's not retired at age 41. So he's going to keep playing. The expansion teams are probably going to get named, and he's going to miss that window, but I'll tell you this, you think LeBron's done trying to be an owner or trying to have heavy involvement in the NBA. He's not. His life has many decades left in and his influence is going to be on. It's just not going to be with this particular expansion deal. Always great. I know you're busy. Thank you, Wendy. Thanks, Dan. Have a good day. It's Brian Winhorse to the mothership. The entire draft room grows because you just took the guy they wanted. There's no better feeling than crushing your fantasy football league.

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