Sinister Guys with Mormon Wives: Monday, September 14th, 2026

0:00Good morning, girl, is it's the tall. It's Jackson Claude and where your house. It's your favorite show. The fast five things you need to know will start your day off. Swirly, it's the toast. It's on amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Monday. Hope everybody had a wonderful weekend, whether you were celebrating the holiday or not. Whether you were hanging out with Alex Earl or not, like not being deal. Yeah, I did both of those things. Hey, Jack, how you doing? I'm doing good coming off the holiday weekend, which was fulfilling by ex-housing. Let me tell you how sting. I have so much pfft share. This has been the busiest weekend of my life. Like, and it started right after the toast. Like, I would have had so much to say about my day on Friday. And then we had the holiday. I watched the secret lives of Mormon wise. Of course, I hung out with Alex Earl at a star-studded wedding last night. Like, I have so much to share. I think we should just go

1:00chronologically. Okay. What happened on Friday? So I told you guys I was going down to the World Trade Center on 9-11. I actually went across the street. It was not like in. I thought I went to the wrong building, but ever. I don't know if you know about this thing called charity day for you know, can't if it's Gerald. I know can't if it's Gerald. And I know their story on 9-11. Yeah, they were like, I think one of the companies that lost the most employees. Like a couple hundred. And what they ended up doing was rebuilding their whole company and like, I think it was a huge fund for the families. Like, still to this day. Like anyone of their employees, family members are covered by their insurance and they got like millions of dollars. It was like an amazing. And they do this thing called charity day every year where it's I don't know what they do for it. Like it's like a financial services form like day traders and stuff. Like I thought it was a law firm. I don't know. It's like it was like Wolf of Wall Street like day trading. And every 9-11 they give back to like a million organizations. All these organizations can sign up to have like celebrity ambassadors come and do like day trades at the office and like a portion of the proceeds. And it's turned out to be a like, obviously amazing millions of dollars donated every year. But also like star-steaded affair.

2:00I think a lot of celebrities like want to be a part of it. And I was asked to be a part of it for big vision, which is like a New York City based organization started by my friend Beatrice, which just like a bunch of work in the sober community in New York city. And so we went to like raise money and okay, like obviously I was there for charity and it was like an amazing 9-11. But like my head was on a swivel. I was being I like I was technically like one of this celebrities. So I was like, I was technically like one of this celebrities. But I wasn't like I was like literally being like a rat like running around looking for everyone. It was like true a list. Alex was there, but I did miss her. It was fine because we hung out on Sunday. I caught up later in the weekend. Correct. Correct. Carlinthony Towns. Ben was with me. He was freaking. Oji Ananobe was there. All the nicks were there except I don't think I don't know if Jalen Bronson was there. All these athletes, a couple of people like who I had no idea who they were. But like everyone was freaking shack was there. Biola Davis was there. Like it was sick. And I like was day trading. And there was by the way, like every there were so many swirlies like the finance swirlies they found me. So how do you date trade? It's a good question.

3:00So basically how I understood it to be was that you stand in front of this huge monitor like this huge monitor and you trade like you have phones and they're not like phone phones. You call them in. You call them. Yes, it was kind of like old school. So you'll talk to a broker. So when they had a trade they would like call a celebrity over. It's like I took this trade oh my this guy. I don't know. I assumed like a lot of the guys I was speaking to like I had no idea who I was. Sometimes they were hoping to get like you know Tiger Woods and they got turny-loo. And the same but different. This guy picked up the phone and he was selling like two million shares of like Nike or whatever. I was like okay. He was like what do you think? Heli Glassman would think of that. I was like now you bring out my app. I was like who is that? I was like how do you know that? It was seriously so funny. Have the people like I had no idea who I was but like the swirlies. I got a female day trader like think of it. She was so like normal and excited in 23. It was really fun. Honestly like I kind of got the bug. I was like okay let's day trade. Yeah I get a big screen to computers. A lot of them were using like standing desks though.

4:00And I do draw the line in a standing desk. Oh no. Yeah. And then I got to like some of the government subsidies one and that one was like so boring and I had no idea what they were saying. And I was like actually afraid I was going to mess it up. So I was just like I was trying to like bring personality because it was like a fun but for that one I was just like being like yes okay three shares have a good days are. Yes. Three shares. I really don't even know what like what this is. I still don't really understand like at a baseline level what they do every day. Yeah. But I know they make a lot of money for their clients. Oh and I was asking questions. I understand buying and selling stocks. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I was doing. But it's called day trading. Yeah. Because they look we were trading Nike and Starbucks. I heard of some of the companies. Yes. When the market was open. But then like when I got to the government one we were selling like bonds and that's genuinely what it cost me like okay. And he was like it's V three bonds or should we get V two I'm like sir I have no idea where you're talking about. What are T bills? I think it there. Mr. Wonderful says you should buy T bills. Did he?

5:00I saw it in a video. I saw it in a real. How old was the real like is it current financial advice or are you giving like it sounded like eternal financial it sounded like it's the point of it is it's not that it's like the buzzy new thing it's like that's not the same thing. It's like the same thing. It's like the same thing. It's like the same thing. It's like the same thing. It's not that it's like the buzzy new thing. It's like that's what you should do. Oh, I feel like that's a treasury. Treasury. Like T because I always say like treasuries and don't take this as official like Jim Kramer advice. Even though this is Jim Kramer advice because it's bad. And like he's known for being like historically wrong about everything financial. But they do say that like treasury bonds are like safe like forever. But seriously don't don't listen to me. Next thing you know, headline news treasury bonds tank. Yeah. So sure. So sure. I had a really good time. Like I hope to be invited again next year. It's apparently like an honor to even be accepted as one of the celebrities. Like in case anybody was questioning whether or not I was a celebrity because I do question that all the time. I am like officially confirmed I got to go to Canada for child. Like it was a really big deal. Yeah. And there wasn't like a million influencers.

6:00Like I feel like I was representing the digital space like me and Alex. And I saw a book senator. She's a model. Jason Tartick too. I'm a model. I'm a model. Jason Tartick too. I'm a model. Jason Tartick too. Like we were the digital crew. Okay. Well, he's like a finance guy. Okay. So yeah, we like sort of held it down for the digital community. That's so that's so great. And like such a nice event. And a great conversation. It really was. And I liked being like downtown. I felt I obviously got there a little early. So I got to say pizza. And I was like at this random pizza place like in the middle of the financial district. You grabbed a slice. Was Ben there to see it? He wasn't because he was parking and he was like, did you get me a slice? And I was like, no. I'm. This pizza place like it was so OG. I wouldn't have been surprised if it was there on 9-11. Like it was so OG and there was like a bunch of cops. Cuz it was also the memorials. There was like fire, policemen, everyone was in there like, you know, official suits. They were walking around. They were going, and they were like talking to each other. Oh, where were you? And the pizza place. And I was like, I feel like this pizza place saw stuff on it. I should have asked.

7:00But like, I don't know. I just like really liked being like a part of like. I was really. And I was there. You know, and all the guys where they were talking to each of the guys. I had stories, but I wasn't going to ask them to tell me their stories. So you just even stopped. And eight pizza. And they gave me a free garlic knot. Like seriously, so sweet. New York. New York. New York. New York. That's so sweet. You know how I go help down like historical workables. And like become hyper fixated on like certain historical events. Like of course, the Titanic, the Russian royal family, the Romanovs, Chernobyl, Queen Victoria, Medici. I feel myself going down to 9-11-1. That's like such a hard one. Because it's so recent. I know. I think when you learn about major tragedies, like some of the sadness is like pulled from it because it was so long ago. You know, those people are dead. But like they would have died anyway. Like it's hard. There are people walking around who's like dads. Like it's a little so fresh to go down a rabbit hole. I know. I know. I'm trying to stop it. But like I can. And I feel like I'm about to read the only plane in the sky, which is like what everybody's telling me to read. It's like an oral history of

8:00the day. Like a minute back. I think. I think I might be able to read it. Yeah. I think I might be able to read it. Yeah. Well actually, I had Kenneth Sherald. I got a book. Howard. Ludnic. Ludnic. His sister, Evie wrote a book about the families. I have a copy. Maybe I'll give it to you if you want. Oh, yeah. No. His story is crazy and so sad. So sad. And I just feel like with these like wormholes, like the only way out is through, you know? I know. I can't just keep watching like reels and little clips. I think I should just like read the history. And I do. I think I can't stop with that with like a war on terror. Warm homes. That's a, that's a extremely dark road to go down. So go at your own uh, risk. I know. I know. But you just say, can't, can't help your curiosities. I do feel like 9 and 11 was kind of a, I think a nice entry into celebrating rush. Ooh, Chuish. The new year. I went to synagogue. I prayed hard and we ate so much. And I did. I went to dinner. I prayed hard to do that.

9:00and we ate so much. And I spent time with Satchee. I know you got to be with the whole family. Like I got to be with Satchee. Also great. Yeah. And it was sad not to be together. But I do, and I am like very aware, because we explained last week that like the New Jewish New Year just started. The first nine days are like a very special important time. And you're really supposed to be on your best behavior before you know the Lord writes the book of life while you be written in. And so even today I was like about to say something really fucking nasty to Ben and I held my tongue to Ben. Yeah, it's going to be hard. It went too clear. It was about someone else too. It wasn't like mean to Ben. Oh, well, well, well. Yeah, it was actually like a really mean thing. And maybe I would have normally not even thought about it. Well, that's good. Yeah. So it's today's episode is missing a little bit of the zest. Just know like I am working actively on getting written into the book of life. So like judge me not. Yeah, it's true. The holiday has started. The days have commenced. It ends on you. I'm keep on which is next Monday. Yeah. So there won't be a show a week from today. Like it's just so weird. If we would rather be live streaming the toast for 24 hours

10:02than then fasting. You think you're suffering without the toast? We're suffering without food for 25 hours. I know. The only thing I'm worse thing people is like making it longer by talking about it all the time and like thank you. I'm out of it. So we're moving on. I hosted the second night of VersaShana in my new house, like my first feast in the new house. Literally working so hard. But we were literally like screwing in light bulbs. Like as I'm setting the table. Yeah. Because finally like the right ones come with the torch end. So I had to class it up a little bit. Of course, of course, very beauty in the beast. Yes, very beauty in the beast. Lots of lanterns. And it was great. I made the J. Cohen brisket, which I love to make. Is it timeless recipe? It's a timeless recipe. I always doubt it in the middle. Like when I take it out of the fridge, and I say I'm like, what is this dress? It's kind of like a crazy recipe. You have to trust the process. You do. Because like an hour before it looks weird. Yeah. I got a little nervous and I served it whatever carried on. I like forgot to ever taste it until we sat down. I was like, oh, this is really good thing, God. Yeah, you can trust it.

11:02Like we have, and we've made it like wrong. We've made it right. And it always turns out good. I just want to say the best time we ever made it was that time that we vlogged it. Vlogged it. And we didn't know what we were doing. That was the best it ever went. When we talk about like the great vlogs, obviously like the great chili cookoff comes to mind. There are a couple of, we always forget about the great brisket cookoff. And it's one of our best vlogs ever. Yeah, it really is. So it was beautiful. I'll be a host of first night. She did an amazing job. And yeah, I missed it. I had a phone call. We missed you. I also wasn't on my phone. You guys know I've been like keeping my phone off for Shabbat. And I decided to do the whole holiday. So from Friday night to Sunday night, I did not have a phone. Yeah, we missed you on the phone too. I tried to like be on my phone, like not an Instagram just on like text if needed. But yes, it was like a very fulfilling long weekend though, you know, lots of like cooking. Oh my God, I then I like promised a voice French toast. So I'm like, I just, I thought like I was seriously like cooking like three meals each day. Like real meals, right? Giving 1950s housemaids. Not just like whipping something up. I didn't cook one single thing or clean one single dish. I outsourced every meal to my in-laws like shout out to them

12:04because I really was on the mood. And it was lovely. It was lovely just to like go. Yeah, I didn't have that experience. But it was lovely to host. Have everyone on my new table? The rug did not get stained. Thank God for that. Because I gave the children an un-stained food. And then at the end of like what was the longest weekend ever, I also had a wedding. Now, I was actually really excited about this wedding because you guys know I don't like love weddings unless like I love the couple or there's going to be a lot of celebrities there. And last night happened to them both where like I love the couple and I knew there was going to be a lot of famous people there. So Ben's friend, Mario, Carbone of Carbone, fine foods. Married his longtime girlfriend, KPLA, who we talk about here all the time. He's like an OG publicist. She's like an OG New York swirler. Like I've known her forever. And it was just like ever, it was first of all, I knew, I knew I had a couple of ideas of who was going to be there. Right? Of course Alex Earl comes to mind. Of course, mebulousist or was and friend. Of course, I like a New York knicker too comes to mind, of course. There were a couple of surprises, you know, Sylvester Stallone, because I saw this woman. I'm like, oh my god, is that Taylor Swift?

13:06Like seriously, I thought I actually thought it was Taylor Swift. Turns out it's Sylvester Stallone's wife. I didn't even know that she was like over here looking like Taylor Swift. Like she's gorgeous. She's very beautiful. If you want to know what Taylor Swift's going to look like when she's like more of a mature woman, she's going to look exactly like that and she's going to be gorgeous. Like it was insane. I said next time I plan one, so I'll tell you that. Oh no! Hi. Did you think that she looked like Taylor Swift? No, well, you know what? I was when I was flying home with Charlie when he was like two weeks old when we came home from New York like after a certain collage gate. So like I had a two week old, Ami Ann, I was just like sort of focused on myself. Of course, of course, of course. But not enough to not realize that is Sylvester Stallone. You're still you. Was sitting right behind me. So there were like lots of celebrities. Obviously I focused more on like the digital crew and they definitely did congregate in a certain area. And I was grateful to be there and be a part of it. Remi, my mentee was there who I spent like most of the night with. You know what I've realized recently? Like influencers and like digital people, like they really do it for me. Like more so than like traditional celebrities. I agree. I agree. Me too. Like when you're telling me all these people. I'm like, wait, tell me about the influencers.

14:08In a room full of people, I look like I look for Ashley Duprey Earl, you know? And I look for people. I look for Paige Paul. Oh girl, me too. I did not know she was going to be there. Same with Morgan Stewart. Like let me tell you more so than like Jessica Alba. I don't know if she was there. She wasn't. I'm not that I know. That's the sort of person people get excited about. Like an act just whatever. Like no, I care about the influencers. Yeah. And it was like kind of influencer heavy. And I said to Remi, because Remi's like really close with all the girls. I saw her talking to Ashley and TJ. And I was like, you have to introduce me to Ashley. And she was like really? No, no, I was like, you have to introduce me. So I went over and Ashley had like she recognized. I think she had seen what we had said about her. She was very gracious, very lovely. She's very beautiful. I feel that the show does not show what she really looks like. She's tiny. She's gorgeous. She's like a very chiseled face. TJ looks exactly the same. And he didn't say one word. And he was kind of scary me. I was like, either he doesn't know me and it's just ignoring me or he knows me and hates me. Like he was just like giving like scary. I was like, okay. I feel like he didn't know like who you were

15:09and he just saw you were like a fan. I am a fan. But like Ashley, I think knew the context and she was very grateful and she was so beautiful. Like I really. You were taking a minute. Okay, well I actually put something I really proud of. I said, I can be cool. Like I'm a cool person. I do feel that last night I lost my cool at one point. And like I keep, I was telling Jackie I'm a phone. I keep replying into my mind. Like I actually want to die. Like I want to die. You're so authentic that you're going to share this. Really? No, it's like it's just not something. It's something someone would feel but like not saying. Yes, but I feel that I found the perfect analogy for it. And okay, so I saw Alex out there late. And it's crazy. Like wherever she goes, there was like a light following her. She's seriously so famous. She is so gorgeous. Like you've never seen the body, the face, the hair. Like it was insane. Like I didn't even know she was behind me but I could feel her. You know what I mean? And I'm sitting at this table. It doesn't surprise anyone that like me and Ben ate the entire time. It was a very food focused wedding.

16:09This is a man who invented carbon. Like he is a world renowned chef. The food was insane. Like me and Ben just kept making plates. Like we were eating and we were sitting at this little table with like a random guy. Like he was eating too. He was super nice actually. And of course Ben got his friend number and they're going to do this together. But it was kind of a random crew. And Alex are all like walked by and we like locked eyes for a second. I wasn't gonna bother her. Like I've met her a couple of times. We're certainly like not friends. But we follow each other on Instagram and like I'm her number one fan obviously. I wasn't gonna bother her. And then she like we locked eyes and she kept walking and then she turned around and came over and said hello. And she was like hi, she was seriously so nice that like the analogy I keep saying is because she was just first of all she was standing there like a statue. Like literally like a marble Italian statue. And I'm like sitting eating obviously. And it just felt like a scene in like a 90s like high school set like mean girls literally. But she's not a mean girl. We're like Regina George, the coolest girl,

17:10the head cheerleader comes over to like sit at the loser table. Like you know what I mean? Cause she was like hi. And I was like, oh my god, she's actually talking to me. And I was just I feel like the face that I made I was like, hi, like I just felt like such a loser. Like and she didn't mean to, it's like I'm a projecting. Cause like I am a loser. She was couldn't have been nicer. And I think she did. No, it was just like I don't, something about her. Like I became like a loser. And I think that I'm actually inherently like not a loser. I'm not. She couldn't have been nicer. I was like, I've been loving your guys' takes. And I was like, and I was asking her all about the show. And she was just like seriously, regal, queenie, like exactly what you would want your fame to be. I like she is. Wow. Prior to that Sally had come over. She was like, first of all, I grabbed my phone when I saw Sally. She came over and she was like, oh my god, you guys are always talking about me. And I was like, yes, we have to call Jackie. She was like, call her right now. Jackie didn't pick up. I literally called back.

18:10Just what had gone downstairs to take the lid off my loaf and the oven. And I come back up and I missed a call. And I sent her like a screenshot of her missed face. I'm like, you sent a voice. A voice. A video voicemail. Yeah. A video voicemail, which Sally wants to chat. Which no one could ever find, but like it is there somewhere. And it was Sally in page Paul. And then like we all went to get drinks. And like it was just like not like you were no longer a priority. But then you call me back. And so I, I, we did get to telecommunicate. To chat with me, girl. Sally, she, they're just like the cool girls that crew. Like you could just feel their energy. Ashton was there with London Barker. I don't know if I'm like not supposed to say that. But like they were very much eating. They're dating. Yeah. But like the girls and the surrounding planets, like they have seen our takes. They have seen the Earl Meets World recap on the toes. And I feel good about that, you know? And I don't do it for that reason, but it is always nice when someone saw like the nice things you said about them. Todd was there. And Alyssa.

19:11Cute. Yeah, like the whole crew. Alyssa's very gorgeous. They're all. Yeah, it sounds like it was full of gorgeous people. Oh, the whole wedding was full of beautiful people. Like it was actually overwhelming to be in the presence. Oh, it's all in Michelle. Literally she was like walking in one room. I was walking out. And like obviously like I know her. I love her. And she did come on the podcast. Like she does a lot of stuff. And she was like, oh my God. Hi, how's your sister? And I was like, oh, and then she made some interesting side differences, like ladies. Like, what's this, one more example of, how's myアイienne happy that she's definitely honored to be here. And it's going to be unbelievable. LikeUp. It's really yummy. Yeah. So she was like walking around her house and I was just like, oh my gosh, I know this guy actually ate. And doing some things every time. I got a lot of unique crazy. I think he was mosting away with the direct voice over which he said which is almost not man it must have been nicely without me at this wedding, Benson Boone. My Fave. Your Fave, great wedding performer. Yeah, for sure.

20:11Perfect choice. People young old, they know him. Yeah, and his music is sort of music you want a boogie to. It was boogie, boogie-esque. Did he sing the out-sale song? No. And then she did a lyrical dance, a solo performance. I would have loved that with Mark Vouch-Rakowski. Yeah, time of my life. Love that. Maybe. What else can I share before I wrap? Because I just sort of at this really important gala that everyone's talking about. It was beautiful. Bride looked insane. Body T. Do you make any new friends? That's a good question. I actually knew a lot of people there, which was nice to see. My girl castamate Joe. Love her. Love her. Her friend of the toast. A friend of the, did I make any new friends? I hung out with Remi Bader's mom a lot. Like she's an extreme real one. You know? Did I make any new friends? Like no. I get anyone's numbers making a plan. Oh, except the guy that we were eating with, you know, at the table. He works like, he's like a real business associate

21:12of Mr. Carbone. He does a lot of like the restaurant infrastructure and the construction for working up. So if you see Ben, interesting. And he's very successful. He's been opening a restaurant soon. It's just because he met the right people at the wedding. You'll know where that comes from. Yeah, Ben was like chit-chatting it up. Like he became best around to cast me Joe's husband. They're like texting. That's so cute. I like that for them. Yeah, just like a couple of like influencer like couples. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing. Thanks for the invite. I was like genuinely honored to make the list. And I hope I didn't say anything like out of touch or out of turn. But like it was amazing. Like I only have positive things to say. I'm sorry for blowing up your spot. But like you invited me. Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing. Oh, and it was just a beautiful venue. It was a beautiful New York City night. Oh. And they had got married already previously. And like a very small ceremony in Italy. So this was really just like a party reception. There was not like a speeches. Like it wasn't like it wasn't formal wedding structure.

22:12Which was I don't like when people switch it up, you know? Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, we just got to like eat. The food was so good. I don't know if I've said that three times ready. We just got to like eat, drink, sit, and chat. Like it was nice. Yeah, I'm you're making me hungry. I'm always hungry. So I did something like so. You're gonna hate this. What? I just felt like so adult when I do this now. Like it's a new thing where I'm able to eat cottage cheese plane. Oh, I could never, never happen to like cottage cheese. I'm like, I like it on noodles and like in my Zesty eggs. I was like with your hypertensine bunch of other stuff. I've never just like sat down with a bowl of cottage cheese and like that's what I did this morning. Like gun to my head I could, but I would never choose. I know. I just feel like it's a sign of maturity. Yeah, there's no like pineapple. People like to do fruit, can't alone. I really feel like I'm grown. No vessel. The cottage cheese was the best. Shut it. She stands alone.

23:13Did you watch full? See your lies and my lies. Of course I did. And it got down to the wire a little bit. Friday night I was like, I don't want to watch it because then I won't have anything to watch Sunday night. And then of course I was in a rush. But yeah, I finished at 11 p.m. last night. And that is our first story. It's great. I've so many thoughts. So many thoughts. It's going to be hard to give them during the 10 days. But what I want to say is I'm not nasty. You know? No, me neither. Although I do feel that now there are more people on the show that I dislike than I like. And that's annoying. And also like the plates are shifting a little bit because I would say like two seasons ago, Michaela was my least favorite when she was like, just taking Whitney to task. And just being so miss. And like the stuff with Whitney when she couldn't let it go. And I would say after this many season, she's number one or two. Yeah, I think that this show, what I kind of like about it, but what also makes it a little bit inconsistent is that from season to season, I feel so differently about everyone. Like no one I've like except maybe Jessie, because she's kind of neutral. There's no one I've been like hardcore riding

24:15for consistently or hating consistently. Like everybody just has like a lobotomy between seasons and becomes crazy or normal. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot going on, but I think that's just like, the pace of their world, their age, the environment they're in, where it really is, they have like every three months, they change the label. The lobotomy. The lobotomy. So let's just have them because I have so many thoughts. Okay, without further adjudity to do, it is time for the fast-fived stories that you do need to know. And the fast-fived stories that you need to know are brought to you by honest. Let's talk to the moms for a second or anyone who's ever had to shop for the babies. I swear the baby is one of the most overwhelming places on earth. There are a thousand options for everything, wipes, diapers, bath products, lotions. It is decision fatigue before you've even made it out of the checkout line. So when you find a brand that you trust, it's just one less thing to worry about. And as a mom, we totally get it before having a baby. I thought you just bought whatever was on the shelf, but then you realize you're making decisions about every single product that you bring into your home. So you want products that you can trust without having to spend an hour reading labels.

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30:20Yeah, I think that, oh, oh, I think we'll get a season five A and B, like before the production pause and after. And when I realized what they were doing at first, I was like, oh, before the production pause, this is going to feel old. But I think that it was really necessary contacts for everything. Yes. I have so many leading thoughts. My first thought, I was like, seriously, thank fucking God that ABC canceled the Bachelorette. If I wasted my goddamn time watching, that she's so unserious. And I can't tell if they're setting up this with these five episodes to make Taylor look bad or good because she looked so bad up until the last minute. Up until the last minute. Seriously, bad decision maker, bad reality star, bad friend, bad everything. And it's like, you know what? It's like, you remember what Demi was saying. It's like, how much, like you're going through a lot for sure, like how much rope can we give you? Like it's like enough already. And I was so there with Michaela and Macy, it's like seriously enough. You're fucking Dakota the night you get back, you're engaged

31:22and you're making light of it. So it's like, oh, you could joke about it, but then nobody else could joke about it. You are seriously making some of the worst decisions a human being could possibly make. And we're all just still supposed to be like, championing you and not, and you know, Michaela, me, see all right, she's a terrible friend to everyone. She's not, they are her friend. She is not their friend. Of course, she doesn't have the time, the energy, the thought to even check in on it. She doesn't have her text anyone. How are you? Because she's so, I said, I'm sending her crumble, like they're always sending her food and gift cards. Like, yeah, like little thoughtful things like that. And it just goes so unnoticed. Yeah. And they're all just supposed to be grateful because like, she invented this like mom talk scandal and got the show, but like at one point, well, what point does your gratitude run out? Yeah. And I think some of the girls are like that where they're like, they don't challenge her and they're a good enough friend to her because it pays well to be her friends. But someone like Macy, like deeply cares about her, I would say Jesse, too, where it's like, it's hurtful to see your friend going through this and it's hurtful to have a friend that you love who doesn't care for you in the same way.

32:22So like, it's not just business, it's not just show. Like it is also real friendships, which I think makes it so complex. And I agree, like when they, when they said, it was like five weeks to the production point, I'm like, oh my God, we've been through so much since then. Like I can't believe. Jesse's talking about how she's trying to work it out with Jordan. I'm like, what? I can't believe we're going all the way back, but yeah, we never found out why they really had the pause and how they got there. And there is so much interesting stuff. It was the CPS thing. It was the CPS thing. And there is all the, it's coming off the heels of like this really bad fight between the girls. Then they find out that she's like been called, they called CPS on her. And I think the girls are like, of course they want a support tailor, but on the off chance that the CPS allegation was true, they didn't want to come down on the wrong side of it. Oh, and if it on the off chance it was false, they also didn't want to come down on the wrong side of it. No, and it's like at a certain point, like we need to wash our hands in this. Like I do think that the CPS allegation was probably made by like a bad faith actor and like that it wasn't 100% factual, but it's like at what point do we not want to be a part of this anymore?

33:23And that's why McKale is like, I'm team kids, everybody's like, well, he did this. It's like, cool. Seriously, I don't care anymore. And it's like, they are both victims of each other. So it's like, I couldn't tell if the season was trying to set it up like the tailor's going to come back and they're like trying to give her a platform to like rebound with the audience. But like for me at this point, like I'm so over it. And like I did feel bad for her when she broke down. Like at some point as a woman of a certain age, as a mother, like you have got to pick yourself the fuck off. And just like it's five years already. Like it's just she's very, very hard to root for. Yes, I didn't feel bad. I was mad at her the whole time. And I've been very gracious with her like through everything with the bachelor head and everything. So I feel like good about how much grace I'm giving her. And I did not feel bad for her at all this season. I didn't feel bad for her when she was crying after the fight after she was so nasty to her friends. Like literally like treating them the way she was to co-denified the way she was like barking at them. And so it is respectful nasty. That badly, right. But that's obviously like how she gets when she feels attacked.

34:24She just like talks back, doesn't listen, nasty, nasty, nasty. And then when she started crying after like, I still didn't feel bad for her because like you are making choices. You choose the same thing over and over again. Watching, it's so weird that she actually had like a really nice, almost perfect guy for her. So we can see how she adds. Yeah, we can see. It's not even like, oh, she can't find a good guy. There's no good guys out there. We can see how she treats someone who is good. And it's wrong. No, in fact, it wasn't until it wasn't until she called Macy and said, I'm not filming because to code in this friend of called CBS on me that I felt bad for her. Because it's like, wait, maybe this whole time it wasn't that she couldn't lead to go to because she loves him. Maybe she's scared of him. Right. Like, scared not even the physical abuse sense in the black male sensing. You know what? She should have been because between CBS and the video. Maybe that's why she was never like fully cut him off because she was scared of what he would do more than what he usually does.

35:25So maybe, maybe that that's the case. I have not felt that that was the reason why she couldn't quit him. Her behavior this season aside from like every argument she was in, she couldn't have been more wrong, right? She is taking her anger out on the wrong people. And it's weird that like they all know what like that Dakota abuses her. And they're like inviting him to the Housewarming Party. It's like there's literally an abuser in our house. Like, call the fucking police. Yeah. Well, I think for them, and nobody says abuse on the show and and toxic cycle. Toxic cycle. But I think also they probably thought they beat each other up, you know, that they just like do that. And it's like if Taylor is going to go and have sex with Dakota after this party, why can't we invite them to the party? No, I know. It's just like strange that there's a, like they, this, they know this and he's like still there. There are a lot of like legitimately like really bad people on this show. I think Chase is one of them too. He, I actually, and we said this last time, the men of this show have ruined it. So in such a real way, I can't watch certain scenes like Chase

36:27is a very, very sinister bad guy. Yeah. And you just know the fact that he's an alcoholic co-head. Like we just sort of like threw that onto the bus driver. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, he just like loved driving Taylor away from her friends and like venting about the girls. Yeah. He is, he's obsessed with the women in a way that's so scary. Yeah. I agree. And this season was focused way less on dad talk. Also, I think they got, they understood the backlash. But also there was so much like big storylines going on between like Whitney and Taylor and everything else that like we didn't need dad talk. And the men come off so much better. Like even Jordan had a good season. A thousand percent. Jordan had a good season because we didn't see him. He had one scene in the closet. And he was saying normal things. But he's best friends with Dakota. Like, I also think that Jordan is a deeply deeply. But he wasn't invited to Dakota's birthday party. So they were like going travel imperatives. But they like, they like text all the time and he comes over to their house. He's also a scary guy for sure. But I'm just saying, let me just Dakota.

37:28When they're like legitimately three bad, like bad guys on this show, they, they scare me. Oh, we didn't see Jace. I don't have a problem with Jace this season. No, I know. Actually, I saw him making some funny TikToks. I love Jace. Like, yeah, it's just funny. Like not only is it the editing, but I do think that these people are like growing up in a very weird fast way. They're also when they first came on the show. We're all very stunted. I think that happens sometimes in Mormon culture when you get married really young and you're not exposed to a lot. So like the people they are now, like they change so much so quickly that I'm like, yeah, Jace, that's my mother fucking king right there. Yeah. And I want to say, I don't know if this is like a hot take and I haven't really seen other people's opinions, but like, Zach Affleck. Okay, I'm so done with the Zach Affleck. Hey, agreed. He had a bad first two seasons, but I think that like they were all sort of blending the world that they grew up in, which was like very sheltered with this new world. And it took a minute. Okay, so he was bad for sure. When she's so fucking crazy with her dreams and the fact that like her dreams don't pan out

38:28and like she didn't get the role and she blames her husband for not being supportive. And it's like, you know what, I actually respect him saying, like if you're gonna act and like make out with someone in a scene, I'm not comfortable with that because we always talk about how fucking normal that is. Especially he's like very traditional. He's working through his like traditional values. It's like, oh my god, give them a break. He's literally been doing everything for the last two years. Well, you chased these random dreams. Now you want to be a singer, but you want it to be a dancer and you also have dreams to be a model. And now an actress is like, girl, what are you talking about? Well, she is so off her rocker to the point that I almost feel bad talking about her because something is very wrong there. Something is something is not normal for her right now. Her confessional is the way she's talking to the girls. The way she's just speaking in general, it's giving a bit medicated. Seen between her and Miranda in the studio was some of the weirdest thing I ever saw in my life. And my pink back, when she started playing for her self tape in the bathing suit, it was so, Claudia was so strange.

39:28Something is not right over there. And she keeps trying to test her husband. Yes, she wants to enter marriage, but she doesn't want to be the one to do it. So she thinks that if she pushes him in. But then she's also pregnant right now, is what we know now. She's so confusing to me. But Claudia, she keeps trying to test him and he keeps passing every test and almost makes her mad. So she levels up and she's like, I want to do sports illustrated and he doesn't like that. And then she's like, well, now I want you to become the priesthood. How is he going to go to the bishop and be like, my wife's willing to do sports illustrated? It's so contradictory. I feel like he's like navigating her twists and turns as best as a human could. I seriously think like gold star for Zach Affleck. I agree. Literally put to side everything that he planned to do with his life in service of her hopes and her dreams. I think he said they moved like nine times in four years. That's not for him. It's true. And he's just always like with the kids when she's dancing with the stars. Now she wants to act and sing and build a studio in the house and it's like, oh my God, how can you keep up? Oh, and I want you to become a priest. Very manic energy.

40:30Yeah. And then in her confessional, she seems like so zoned out. Resigned. So not there. And almost like she's phoning it in, but not in a way where she doesn't want to work, but just she's not capable at the moment of giving more. And anytime she argues with someone, whether it's her husband or Whitney, or when she got involved in that Macy Miquela, she's legitimately like just very consistent in making bad points. Like she's never once said something that I agree with. Like with Whitney, I do think Whitney's a difficult person to argue with. She reminds me actually a lot of you, where I think she's very direct. She's good with language. She remembers stuff. So even if she's wrong, which I don't think that she is wrong, she comes off as a winner because she's a good fighter with words. She's very calm. Yeah, but I think I get like so emotional in all of these arguments. There's not really like a right or a wrong person. It's just like that's convey how we feel. I disagree. Some of them, but most of the time it's just like perception. Let's convey how we feel. Let's apologize and let's move forward. It's not like someone was so clearly right and someone so clearly wrong.

41:32It's just like the way you said something and hurt me that way, but you didn't mean it that way, whatever. But Jen just can't move on from things that Whitney has apologized for. There's nothing there except for jealousy. And even if it wasn't just about dancing with the stars, the way that Jen is moving now with like their hopes and the dreams and the acting and the singing, which is like what Whitney's doing. It's giving so jealous. I know. And I think of the issue with like set with Jen is she can't just be happy in mom talk. And I actually think a lot of the girls who are happiest in the situation that they're in. It's just being happy like being in mom talk, like just being an influencer with the reality show like Macy and Michaela. I think that like they're working on their marriages, their kids, their family life while also being like working women, but not needing to go chase things in LA or New York. I think it actually is best for a lot of the women, especially someone you could tell who's up. They're different tears, right? We've got like Miranda and Lacey. Sorry. Miranda and Lela down here. And it's like, I'm sorry, some of their scenes are just genuinely. And you can tell they want more. I mean Miranda is singing and Lela's modeling.

42:34They want the crazy thing is that Miranda released a song before gendered. Yeah. So there's like, I think tier two wives, which Miranda and Lela are unfortunately a part of. Then there's sort of like the mid tier where it's like Jesse. Michaela. Actually Jen is bottom tier two. Michaela Macy. And I think they all like sort of like are happy with their Utah lives. So it's mid tier women. Those women, that's where you want to be by the way. Yes. Because it's that's how you are. You're in joy and have shallow mind. We're on a cloud nine right now. I don't think like it's perfect. I think that right now it's good. But those sort of situations can lead to like issues at home. So I think like if more of the women were just happy where they were. Taylor and Whitney here and that's where Jen wants to be. Wants to be and she's not. No, and every time it fails, I think she blames her husband. And the thing is that is the best guy on the show. I'm sorry. And I think his biggest crime like in recent memory is going to talk to Whitney. Yes. But the more I think about it, it's like that's him being a good husband. That's what his wife wanted in a vulnerable spot.

43:36He went. I'm sorry, I would say Ben to the end of the earth and he would go even if I was wrong. And so the fact that he went and actually think isn't even bigger check in his column for being a supportive husband. And all he does is get accused of not being supportive. And I'm so glad he shut down that conversation at that sponsor event at the soda place where he was like, I've been trying to have this conversation with you like for weeks and I want to have it on camera with me holding our baby like seriously, I cannot stand Jen. I feel bad. But he's like very lost. Yeah. And I don't know what she's doing. It's not like reading as copacetic over there. Like it was it was concerning to watch. And then when she was arguing with Macy McEylin and they were like, you said we were the most supportive and she goes, I said that in the hopes that you would become supportive. I said that because I wanted it to be true. If she had it, that's like the worst argument I've ever heard. That's the thing she had a history of saying things in the hopes and the hopes to be true. Maybe we could establish a pattern. But that was crazy. And also like her going to like support the weakest link Taylor right now like, oh, no,

44:37I'm sorry, when Taylor pulled up Jen into her corner, I said, oh, you've officially lost the plot. We're not seriously and she spent the whole conversation trying to find that one tick talk from three years ago. Yeah. And like Jen is just like, she's not in the group. She's just like, she's going on the trip. Like she's not there. She shouldn't even be on the trip. I'm sorry. Her going on the trip. I saw Zach Affleck like defending her in his comments once again, being a good husband, being like, we don't, a part of production. Like you have to go. Like it wasn't a question. So it's like, yes, she looked weird. But like this is a group trip. But like a better thing for her to say, I mean, she would have to feel this way. But like if I was in her position, how I would feel is like Whitney, I think you and I are going to be friends again one day because I like value our friendship and like we will figure out our issues and we will get there. And I don't want to have missed this moment for you. Right. Right. That conversation was genuine. And then she's making the tick talk by herself. When she made the tick talk by herself. When she made the tick talk by herself. When she made the tick talk by herself. Clutch. She's just like desperate to be a victim. She is. And that's what the girls are saying about her. In her marriage, in her work life, in her friends life. And in the past few seasons, she really was the victim. I think when she was like having mental health issues. Yes. And then she got pregnant again.

45:38And her marriage, like was not suffered. Like in her husband was not. And the women were so mean to her. She was the victim. And so I was like stopping me into her. But right now she's not. She got dancing with the stars. Two. Yes. She is in like a beautiful house with her beautiful family. She just had a baby. Like everything is good right now. My girl. You're not the victim today. No. And I think the sheer fact that Jen doesn't let Whitney get away with anything after Whitney was there for her in such a real way. Like not in the camera. I think in like a real life way with her prenatal depression and all the women were like, seriously so mean. It's like the way that Taylor gets a free pass for everything because she has like a toxic relationship. She should have been what Jen got for having prenatal depression. And they were just still so hard on her. Whitney was there for her in such a real way. The fact that Jen just kept whatever her small issues are with Whitney. Like you said this to me to get over it. Like seriously, this is the person who you have to touch a kindness to you. And you're like insisting on remembering her by her worst moment. Like that's why I would never want to be friends with her.

46:39Yeah. It's because she's constantly seeking victimhood. Yeah, I kind of be friends with someone like that. The conversation on the stairs was even more upsetting when I remembered that ever was there. Yeah, that he was in the house somewhere. And like I would you would hope that and it's Dakota's day clearly. So that's why like he entered with Dakota and probably left with Dakota. But like that's bonus time that you get and like your mom is acting crazy upstairs. Like that's where I was like with Michaela. Like I actually no longer concerned in getting down to the bottom of like who's the abuser and and who's because they're both terrible parents quite frankly. And like that's all I really care about. Yeah. No, that was like so odd. Why would see there? They knew it was like going to be the big explosive thing. Like, you know, when you're going into a party, whether it's going to be like, I don't know. I just if I were Taylor, I would just be like so excited to get some extra hours like with him because Dakota brought him to a thing that I'm going to be at. Yeah, even though I think she has majority custody.

47:39So like she's not lost for time with him. Yeah, but still like, it's not just childhood time is like it was I actually commend me. Michaela. They handled that crazy bitch and that whole conversation. They were so calm. It's actually crazy to watch her miss understand them in real time. How did Chennai attack you? You just said to me, should I did nothing wrong? Actually, that's quite literally verbatim not what she said. Yeah. Like it was crazy to watch a crazy person. And it's the craziest is like what Chennai did was wrong, but what Dakota did was more wrong and he's in your bed. So why can't I move on from Chennai? That's the exact thing. It's like we're so mad at Chennai. We're mad at Miranda because her friend did something, which by the way, what the fuck does Chennai O Taylor? Like seriously, she's just having sex with some random guy. But Dakota is standing there in the clear. Yeah. It was insane. Also, I thought this last season, I can't remember if I said it. And I feel like it's kind of like a crazy thing to say. And obviously, this is like, I have no proof just like based on vibes. It does feel like there's an element of like drug use in this show somewhere because

48:44like the very manic mood swings, the violent behavior, her like drinking from the bathtub. Like that just gives like sort of, and also I think her relationship with Dakota sometimes feels like, you know, like a toxic sort of like, I don't want to like make allegations. But like, like sort of like an enabler like somebody who provides like, yeah, and past seasons when she's like locked herself in a room for days at a time, like, I don't know why, I don't know why I just feel like, am I the only one who thinks that? I didn't think that. But then I saw like a tweet last night of someone like suggesting that there might be drug use and that would explain like, I don't know, some sweat stains or whatever. But also her having breath smoke on her netball, like the entire fight was like, it was an interesting look, but it was like a stain and it was just distracting. It was funny. It was just affecting. So yes, that could be like a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, I just feel like it might explain a little bit of it. It's only searching for an explanation because it's very hard to watch someone who's in

49:48her 30s like consistently put her family at risk, put herself at risk, but everyone is a person. And when you guys are not even a hot one. And when you guys were together, you weren't happy anyway. And then also it's like, if it is about, do you forget he fucked your mom's friend? He literally fucked your aunt. Like what are we talking about? He's about like love and being, you know, can't quit him and robloblon. He has ever walked. Why not just be together? Like because the thing is, he keeps hurting her because they're not together. So he goes and does this other stuff. And then she's like, well now I can never forget. Like, what if they were just together? And he obviously were past that now. But when I'm watching this, I'm like, you only want to be with each other. You heard everyone else around you because you're hurting each other. And if you just want to be together and you can't quit him and you can't quit, you just be together. And like if you want a crazy life, which is what she wants. Now she says she doesn't want to get married. She doesn't want to be in a monogamous relationship. She doesn't want to be with Ben who would give her like that. But like, if you want a crazy life, just go be with crazy and stop hurting everybody

50:48else. Yeah. And then I don't think that benefits her ever. No. And then in the final scene, I'm like, well, maybe it wasn't just like love, love, love, like maybe it was also real fear. I want to quickly talk about Jessie's face. Yes, I would like to talk about plastic surgery as well. Yeah, it really broke my heart. I feel like what everyone's like coming for Jessie. And it's like, well, obviously she made the wrong choice. She should have sat messing with her face. But it's like, I feel like that's exactly what happens when you just like, you know, keep, I can only imagine the type of like comments, DMs that they get at this like level that they're at from like all these crazy fucking female fans. Like, I think that it breaks my heart because if she weren't on this show, like maybe she was someone who was like into plastic surgery before, like in a normal way. But it obviously got to a place where she's unhealthy and that her boob is hemorrhaging. Like it was really heartbreaking. She looked bad this season. Yeah, she was still swollen. I do think she's like a little bit back to normal, but she still looks like pretty different than the girl that we know. No, and like it actually really upset me.

51:50Yeah, it also, I can even blame her. Like it also sets me that these girls have had multiple boob jobs in their 20s. Every episode in the beginning, it was like, oh, she just did her boobs. Like, and it's people who have done their boobs and everyone's talking about like layless boobs in her confessionals because they're like at folded in half. And you can literally see the silicone implant. I guess it was like very fresh and they've since like settled, I guess. But that wasn't her first boob job. Last season Taylor just got her boobs redone before the, like, that's major surgery. Jesse had a bruise. I was in a month before Michaela just said she took her implants out at the, in the beginning of this season. She was like, I feel so skinny and she looks great. But literally Michaela is my queen. She recently died her hair darker. And I think she's like really figured out how to manage her chronic illness. When it comes to her skin, I was watching her take talks. Last night she went to Paris with Macy, like she looks insane. Yeah. And then I started to like feel bad. I guess not about the J. I didn't really feel bad. I just know she hates us. So that's why I felt bad.

52:51Who hates us Michaela? Oh shit. She does because we made fun of J's last year. Yeah. And then we made fun of her statement about the cream. Oh, was that her cream? When she, I just want to say, yeah, I remember when she said like, she compared to co like Taylor going back to Dakota to like her using cream. That makes her sick. But I'm woman enough to admit I stand by everything that I said last year. And I stand by everything I say this year. That's what I mean when I say it feels like people get lobotomies between seasons. She was my queen this year. She's the only one with a backbone. And she's still not backing down. She's been making tick tucks. Like she's not forgiving Taylor grays. Her rope is up with Taylor. And I actually really appreciate that. It's like, you know what? Demi tried to do it. She was a couple of seasons too early. But I think Michaela should stick to her guns. And yeah, I stand by what I said last season. Yeah. No, so do I. I was just like, I feel bad. Oh, because she hates us. Um, but you had a great season. Keep going. I don't know about like the Taylor fans who just like blindly stand her. And I'm just going to hate any girls who are against her. I did really appreciate that they brought that up because that has always been an element as to why Taylor gets graced from the group.

53:51It's not that they all genuinely feel bad for. I'm sure a lot of them are at home rolling their eyes. Me like, girl, make better decisions. The element of her being the most famous one, the most popular one amongst their true fans and the ones who the fans side with. I respected Jesse being like, I also just don't want to take that. Yeah. And it's also like, well, I wish you all had more of a backbone. I respect you, even in just admitting like the reason why you're always up her out. But it's also production favors her, which is just so crazy. Even they gave her that penthouse suite. I doubt all the girls had that. Now you could say, because they knew that was coming. So they like, are we going to film in there a lot? And they need it all the space. But she definitely gets favoritism for production. I would say this season, the way it's being edited and the way they're putting in all those clips of like talking heads and TikToks and stuff, it is not super anti-tailor. Oh, I didn't think it, I thought it was the first time they were ever a little bit anti-tailor. Was it, I guess we haven't gotten to like, barstool gate. Also hurt ordering all that dessert and then leaving. People also said maybe like some, that's just something like a true crazy

54:53person. Yeah. Like, yeah, that was also one of the clues as to perhaps prithential. And like, Macy and Michaela getting like shit on for Taylor from Taylor, being like, you guys think you're also perfect. I just feel like they've recently decided. It feels like in the last like two years, the both of them have like decided to just embrace being a mom tech. They're not going for all the other things that the girls are going for, they're not like wanting to travel the world and be on Broadway. And they're working through that because they've basically had a couple of things with their husband too, but they've quietly shut that down. They're working on their homes and their marriages and just like being happy with where they're at. And I feel like that kills Taylor. Like, because that's what they all should be doing. Yeah. And that's really what Taylor should be doing. But Taylor doesn't even like pursue those opportunities. Really, the only thing she was ever going to do that was bigger than the show was Bachelorette. The Bachelorette. She didn't even take it seriously. She could care less. She didn't need to do anything outside of the show. Like she just was bigger than everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious what also any rumors that like they're airing this season of the bachelor in December. No, seriously don't. They're not. They could never do that.

55:54They never do that. Not only do they gave it away, they let everyone know. Like if you watch us, you're wasting your time. She chooses the worst guy and she cheats on him. Then I check on they could have like bleeped out his name. They didn't nothing. They spoiled the whole season. Like they don't care. It's over. Yeah. Thankfully. And also at some points, it was like you tell her was dreading the bachelor like so much anxiety because she would have to like answer for her crimes after the fact we were talking about how like the villain of her season probably was so glad that the the season was canceled. She might have been a little glad the season was canceled. Yeah, because she couldn't have been serious about it. But even any bachelor nation backlash would never what would not have been as bad as what happened. What happened? Yeah. So I don't know what comes for the next. I am I am expecting five posts production pause episodes. And I would like that. But who knows? And I they need to decide I think like definitively if they're going to like let Taylor back on the show like Dakota is not a cast member. He doesn't make money. He doesn't get to film. I think that like continuing to involve him even more like enable Tim and

56:57empowered him and they also gave him money that he didn't have before. If she's going to be back on the show, like he sort of has to be off of it completely. Yeah. Well, I think they also have like restraining orders against each other at this point. Right. And while they're firing him get rid of Jordan and Chase too. I never want to see them again. I do think that the show whenever the next half comes out and then the season after will rehabilitate Taylor. Me too. Also, I know you have like high hopes about Marciana and like you're trusting your faith, but I have to say I've never just liked someone more. I think that they are like really cute. What is crazy to me is the fact that like even after these episodes, Jesse still makes out with chase. It's a date. No chase. She does. Yeah. Like in the timeline before she starts dating Marciano, she makes out with chase at a party. So by the and she hasn't gone on call her daddy yet. Right. And she's still working on her marriage. Even though she said that morning, they're going to get divorced. Yeah. And like what's like why they move houses like I don't know because they had just moved houses and then they had that Halloween party in their new house. They were so excited.

57:57Right. So it looks part of G though. Yeah. I said, I love the secret lives of Mormon wives. It has gotten dark. And I'm like, I'm still enjoying it. Of course, like it's not fun. Like it used to be fun. This is like seriously dark. It was it was good television. Yeah. That conversation on the street was insane. The street fight as they're calling it. Yeah. It was. No, but it was really it was good reality TV, which isn't usually a tourist with like healthy behavior. Agreed. But the entertainment box was checked. Yeah. So that's your secret lives. Mormon wives recap. But they're not filming our next story is so disturbing that it actually. It's not about KJB. It is about KJB. Or man and it actually gave me a stomachache. So I've been following this case quite closely. Videos of KJB. We shared last week KJB men was under arrest for allegedly satanizing a female classmate in a sauna.

58:59And now the prosecutor is saying that videos of KJB. Men who is 15 having sex with an underage family member. Those videos were found on his phone. So KJB. Men has been accused of having sex with an underage relative in a bomb. She'll never before known revelation from court. The 15 year old who is the son of Kim Zolciac and retired NFL star. Corey beer men appeared in Georgia's Fulton County Superior Court on Friday. During the hearing, the deputy district attorney shockingly revealed that investigators previously found videos on KJ cell phone that allegedly depicting him having penetrative sex with a family member under the age of 12. The district attorney said there were multiple encounters on video that were discovered on the device and that they allegedly showed KJ using predatory derogatory language toward the victim. Quote this would now mark the second time he has been charged with an offensive asexual nature of a very serious kind, which involves female victims. The DA noted adding that KJ was previously charged with sexual

59:59battery of a victim under the age of 16, which had not been publicly reported until now in 2023. Per the DA, he had been under court supervision since October, 2025 following the alleged incident with the family member, which she said was reported in April 2023. After the hearing, his KJ's attorney told Page Six in a statement, characterizations made in court regarding the prior juvenile matter involving KJ beer man grossly misrepresent both the facts and the ultimate resolution of that case. The matter arose from inappropriate crude behavior involving two middle schoolers. It did not result in an adjudication for statutory rape, sexual intercourse or any comparable offense. He argued that any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and creates material misleading impression of how the juvenile matter was ultimately resolved. Yes, so I guess like with evidence that they found just now, it brought up this 2023 case that people did not know about. No, obviously, this would also explain why they did not let him out, because we were saying last week that they must have a lot of evidence. If they're keeping this 16 year old behind bars until it's tried.

1:01:01Yeah, and like they must have a lot of evidence of that crime, because usually someone of his age would be like released home to his family out on bond, but it's not his first offense of this nature. And obviously like the internet is freaking out about this. And I don't want to like give it. I don't want to assume, but like I think some context that people are bringing up is that when they discuss a family member in the house who's under the age of 15 or whatever, like there is a sibling in the house at that age. So they didn't say in the house that you said a relative, a female relative. And they also just a piece of context that people are bringing up is that this sibling, Kaya, was sent away with her grandparents a little while ago. I don't know how people know that. And so I think that that fact just came to mind when people heard this. It feels really.

1:02:01Obviously people are jumping to conclusions, but it feels like a relevant part detail. Every time I learned something about this case, I am, oh, and then I'm sure you saw the podcast clip of real beer men talking about how KJ is like fast and yeah, like I don't know if this was like a year or two. A couple of she went on podcasts, like just catching up without her family. Everybody knew before this everybody knew their family. Like obviously they're crazy, but they knew all the kids and from the TV show they were all on TV for like almost a decade. And she was talking about how KJ so grown up and that like, you know, he's trouble. He's obsessed with women and he goes out and he sticks out of the house and he calls her late at night asking to send him a lift and selling me $200 and it was just like perhaps in the moment, like a cutesy story about like a rebellious teen, but now in hindsight, it's like extremely dark. Yeah. Yeah. It sort of speaking to the character of this kid at the time. Yeah, but like when she said it really like not a red flag like he's just like, you know, a TV boy will be boys to go and live and stay out late and kiss girls.

1:03:02You would think right now. In the context of this, of course. This is so deeply troubling on so many levels. I feel genuinely sick to my stomach hearing all about this. I actually don't have words like I don't have a recap. I don't want to take like a fall. Like I want to vomit. I want to vomit. It gives me a stomach ache. I think it goes without saying like done with these people. Beyond. So fucking done. Never been so done. Never been to like it's seriously not funny. And like I don't know if you saw I've ever heard a stemming from a reality TV person, personality family. And must be how fans of the doggers felt. I want to say. Oh, yeah. I guess I wasn't a part of that. But like we never watched a show and it didn't find those cases, but this is the worst thing I've ever heard. I'm sure you saw Kim and Brielle like a pap walked from court to their car.

1:04:05Yeah. They didn't say anything. And then like I don't know why I just found the video offensive like them being so glam with their hair. Like they didn't say anything. I just like I hated it. No, and like let him rot. Let him rot. A thousand percent. I wouldn't like show up for him. No, fucking crazy story. And where's Kroian all this? I don't know. Because like it goes without saying like this is 1000%. You know what? This is everyone's fault. Yeah. No, but it's literally everyone. It speaks to really bad. A moral rot in the home. Yeah. Yeah. And a rotten individual, of course, of course, bad seed. Yeah. So that's the latest. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Our next story, some happy news. 10 God. Lady Gaga welcomes her first baby with the on St. Michael Plancki. I'm so glad in last week's track episode that I included that bit from Lady Gaga's friends because like we were able to have a little bit of a St. Literally, and God,

1:05:06pops were later to become a mother. And here we go. Lady Gaga and her fiance Michael Plancki have recently welcomed their first child together. Page six can confirm additional details. Any details actually are not known at this time. However, the family of three was spotted out and about together for the first time in Northern California. She was going for a walk with her man's and an unidentified brunette and wearing the baby in a baby carrier. Oh my God. So cute. Wait. So was it not confirmed that she was a surrogate? Well, I think it's fair to say that she did not carry this child just based on the because she has fibromyalgia. And because she's snatched. Well, you know, some people do snatch when she's like wearing a crop top and a newborn on your, I think it's safe to say I won't jump to conclusions. But no, of course, I think it's safe to say she didn't carry the child. I think also her history of chronic illnesses led people to believe that she didn't carry. But irregardless, not only to be like spookily call this, which like we literally were just saying whether it no, we didn't call it at all because that her friends like gave a quote saying they

1:06:09think that she's going to become a mom soon. That's why we were talking about it. I just feel glad that we chose that nonsensical story last week. Yeah. Oh, I thought we predicted it in my bad. Obsessed beyond like for real. I'm so ready for the album. Like get to work. I know you're busy going on walks and that's beautiful to sit down at the piano. You could still wear the baby. Yeah. She could wear the baby. Like she could really write an album in the next three months while that baby's just sleeping all day. Oh my God. You get so much jump in you've a newborn. Having a newborn is like low key easy. And you know, she obviously probably has help. Like, yeah, nanny's housekeepers, chefs, things of that nature. So it's like, girl, get to work. Yeah, give us an album. Give us an album called mama. This is really sweet. What's the baby's day? What's the baby's gender? We know nothing. Yeah. All in due time. The way we're kind of carrier. It's a it's a sling like a wrap. Oh, like a scarf type of. Yeah, it's a wrap. It is not like a buckle. Got it. I love like when your baby is really little and you could do like the stretchy scarf. Like that's the best. Yeah.

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1:12:17right. And then they just put this like very low production quality video in front of me and I'm supposed to not say anything. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah. What do you think the point of the video was? The point of the video, I think, though it could have been achieved like in other ways. This was just like, Pargy UK living. I'm a lifestyle influencer, mother of two. And here's some Pargy Cont, Pargy Mindless content, because that is a content strategy. Questions that I have about that. Like what? It looks like shit. Like, it's not a Pargy video, you know? It's awful. Too bad. When she started doing that in tandem with like, as ever and with love, it's like, yes, you are becoming my service of something. In service of becoming like the next Martha Stewart. Like now it's like, why are you doing all that? You know? Also, like, what is this films on? Are those the kids' feet?

1:13:20I'm not sure. By the fire. I couldn't tell. It looks like adult. I think it looks like adult and they're ring jeans. Is she wearing jeans? Okay. A jitterbug, yeah. And like, seriously, why is the forest so blurry? There's one scene where she's filming the lake and I don't know what she's filming, because it's like someone sent it to her and then she sent it back and then they sent it to her again and she sent it back. So Megan was on Dumwaw this weekend. They said she was spotted at the Seville Farmhouse. So is that, I've never been to Seville Farmhouse, but like, I feel like that's it. It's like a huge property. We, we on hikes and boats and fish and stuff. Yeah, but I think also apparently they're like looking to settle in the cops' walls. Like these are the vibes every day. So whether or not they were at the farmhouse, like this is just what their life is going to be. I just, what's the point? Do you remember when she, when she launched a shot, my? Yeah. And that was crazy. You were sad. I was sad. But she never like updated it. You do, like when she was doing this in her garden, it was like for as ever with love,

1:14:20we're going to be lifestyle, we're going to be influenced. So we're doing all of that. TV show, product. Yeah, she's obviously loved all that behind because it's not worked out and she's gone to the UK. And like why are you showing us this? Like this, it's like, it doesn't accomplish anything. It's also such superfluous content. Like for somebody who wants to be private, like these are actually like kind of intimate moments with your family. Like genuinely, like not only to be not enjoying this because it's low production value, but you have claimed to want privacy. And like this is the type of thing you would want to keep private. Right. Why are you showing it to us? And now if it's, and I think when she like exploited her personal life, like for her show with love, like, a little bit of your personal life to explain like the business. Why? You got the garden. Why you got the. So maybe she's launching another business, sort of like, Cotswolds with love. Maybe she's going to be like, with love, Cotswolds, a lifestyle influencer in the UK. Which is a niche, like it is a genre. I'm there's a couple of, um, that girl Lydia from TikTok, like there is a sort of like very British kind of like, tradwifey type of sect of the internet.

1:15:25So maybe she's trying to do that next. She's got to get a new phone. She's got to get a social media editor. Yeah. I mean, I do think that budget is tight, like currently, just because maybe they're still working on swindling, like people in Britain to give them jobs. But I think the American money like did run out. And it's kind of expensive to have like a full time hire just for your Instagram when you actually post like once every three months. Yeah. But if she wants to do this, like, and also it's like you can be a public figure on Instagram and not have to have a social media editor or you're just posted photo. Like if you're making reels, yeah. And you can't outsource. And she should have done that. What? Jitterbug. She should have done that in Montecito, like when she was making that Britney Steeler Sky, I was far from when she was the Britney Spears of the heart and like an actual teenager. Yeah. That was not well thought out. So we're still doing this really. Jitterbug. Like why did her bug? I don't know. I was actually throwing her Instagram and like her music choices on her Instagram. And her posts are very, um, okay.

1:16:27I'll be right back. I want to say bold. Like look at her wedding. Do you think that Glinda emboldened her? Okay. Jitterbug, Dali Parton just because I'm a woman. No music cliff, Richard and the shadows. That's cute. And another one. Yeah, summer holiday. That's for with love, Megan. No music, no music, no music. Paula, I'm too old for her wedding. Always remember. I'm forever. Those are her wedding kind of as good as like chaps wedding. Also, I like this one. You could feel like they're dancing. It's a slideshow of them dancing at their wedding set to that song. Cute. Thank you for being here this summer. I'm original audio. Lovely day, lovely day. This is a good one. She's kind of good. She really. She's such a grandma. Yeah. She really never posts because I just for three seconds.

1:17:29Jitterbug is in line with that music. Absolutely. genre, like on point. Yeah, she is who she is. It's like that genre of a British because she's now in the cotswolds. Yeah, oh, is that what? And maybe they saw a bug. Maybe they found like maybe they found a jitterbug on there. I don't know what a jitterbug is, but maybe they found one on their cotswolds walk. Yeah, so continuing to be confused. Watch Doug podcast will continue to keep you guys updated on all things. Meg's with confusion. Megan. I love that. Are you ready for our final story? Great news for some people. The family stone sequel has been set at searchlight with Claire Danes, Rachel McAdams, Sarah Giswick Parker, and many more mostly everyone except for, of course, Diane Keaton. Returning. Now, if you've ever seen the movie, I'm going to spoil something. I have never seen this movie. I would actually love your take and I could just see you loving Sarah Giswick Parker. I just saw a synopsis of it.

1:18:30It's like Dermit Mill Roney's like, he brings home just the power for Christmas. Girlfriend comes home to his like Bohemian New England family. Yes, they're very like free spirit. I watched the movie like later in life. I only saw a couple of years ago and I know it's like this. People are obsessed with it. It's like their favorite holiday movie. And I didn't love it, but like I understood why it's like why people like it. It's also like it was actually good. It was just like the craziest movie. Like when you see the poster and like the family stone, like he's like coming to get the family ring. It's just not at all what you think it's going to be. Okay. And then like it ends really sad. I saw a spoiler about civil, which did work out. What can I say what it is? The cheap passes. Diane Keaton dies in the movie. So that actually kind of works out like for the sequel because she couldn't be in it anyway. I don't know that this is a film that like needs a sequel, but I guess like they do leave you with like kind of a like what happened.

1:19:32Like, you know, what will this family be like in ten years? Oh, do you want to know the synopsis? Well, because in the movie they like end up wife swapping like. I'm gonna watch it. Don't tell me anymore, okay? Okay, okay. But this movie will pick up 20 years after the death of the matriarchsible stone. Something that was depicted in the original film is the stone family again reunites for Christmas. Only to face the season's biggest surprise. Their father Nelson has unexpectedly invited the woman he's fallen in love with to meet the family. So like that would be like the Sarah Jessica Parker of. Right, but it's like who's replacing Diane Keaton. They're gonna hate her. No, I don't like that. We know who plays. No, it didn't say. Well, since everybody's on board, I'm sure like this random movie that they did, which was not even popular at the time. I'm sure there's shock that it has such a cult following all these years later. So yeah, like let's take advantage of it. Yeah, and now I do want to watch it. Like I feel like I missed out. Yeah, you kind of did. And like I just I know everyone's gonna I know you're gonna have an unpopular take on it.

1:20:32Like really? Because like the whole point is like that Sarah Jessica Parker is the worst. She just comes and she just doesn't fit into this family and she just doesn't even try. And she's just like not like I'm she's like a miserable person. But at some point like they are like a little mean to her. And so I could just see you being like a defending SJP. Let's see, you can put me in a box. And then there's like this kind of like polarizing conversation at the dinner table. Okay. Like kind of like a political not political, but like controversial. Okay, don't spoil it. I'll watch it. Maybe I'll watch it tonight because I don't think there's anything to watch tonight. Dancing with the star starts this week. I'm actually sad. Yeah. To start today or tomorrow. Do you like Tuesday? Tomorrow. Hopefully Tuesday. So I watched family. Yeah, you should. I would love to hear your thoughts. That's my homework. And that's our show. Nice long one. But we had a lot to discuss. I hope you enjoyed. Thank you so much for listening to the show. I'm going to show you the festers. You need to have a minute. Friday. I'm going to send you to please feed us. Subscribe to the speed of thumbs up. Also, we're all spotting on the spot. Bye.

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