Reddit’s Darkest True Crime Confessions

0:00This is Crime House. My son killed his ex-girlfriend. I'm so ashamed of being this person's father and having him will always be my biggest regret in mistake. If you're loving crimes of Reddit, please follow rate and review us wherever you listen. It helps us build this community and we love hearing from you. Get early access and ad-free listening. Subscribe to the Crime House Plus community on Apple podcasts. You can also catch us on YouTube where we include visuals that bring every case to life. Welcome to Crimes of Reddit. Today we've got something insane in store for you. What do we have? I'm going to be walking you through three of the deepest darkest through crime confessions

1:04from Reddit. I've been waiting for this. Honestly. That's the topic. I am also really excited about these because I do think it's going to be an amazing jumping off point for conversations about our own relationships, especially the first story. It's going to be good. Romantic relationships? Yeah. Have you ever felt like you had nowhere or no one to sort of admit something? Two, would you go on Reddit and spell? Here's the thing about me is I word vomit, do a lot of people. So the chances that I didn't have someone to just like disclose intimate details and appropriately intimate details too is pretty slim. But yeah, I think I would. I'm not talking about just a normal thing that you would admit to a friend. Have you ever done something so bad that like literally it's a secret you still have? Or not even bad, weird. Are you harboring any secrets that no one in your life knows? And should I air it out right now? Yeah, here. This is the place in the time. I don't think I...

2:05There's nothing that comes to mind. The first thing that came to mind is like a lie that I told when I was like eight years old that I still kind of have guilt about. I lied that I auditioned for Campbell's soup commercial. What do you lie about that too, friend? Why? I don't know. You know, when we're eight. I mean, you know, it sounds impressive when you're eight. Like I'm embarrassed talking about it. No, you seem embarrassed, but you shouldn't be. I mean, eight-year-olds do strange things. Anyway, I'm coming clean. You know, I'm proud of you. What about you? There are things no one knows about me, but not because it's a crazy secret. It's because like it just didn't come up. And now if I just brought it up out of the blue to someone, they'd be like, okay, weirdo. It's like it's like it's over. And now if I brought it up, it would just be dredging up. That's a strange thing. Yeah. Interesting. I was just going to the grave with me and things I probably forgot I did. Yeah. I feel like I have confessions about other people that I've never told. Well, that's good. That's keeping a secret. Yeah, but like there are things that I would love to air out.

3:08Like I'd love to air out other people's dirty laundry, but without them knowing I was airing out their dirty laundry and without it being able to be traced back to them. And I got it. I would love to do that too. Yeah. You know a lot of the dirty laundry. I, yes, and I wish we could just have a secret notebook that we like leave somewhere. That's what Reddit is. It really is. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start. Thumbtack knows homes so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between Matt, paint, finish and satin or what that clunking sound from your dryer is. With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates and read reviews all on the app. So today, this has never happened before. Five players, 26 cases each, one million dollars on the line for every player. On September 25th, Yamavarizor and Casino at Sandman Well makes history with deal or no

4:08deal live hosted by me, Howie Mandel. Plain September for your chance to take the stage at Yamavar Theatre and answer the ultimate question. Deal or no deal? Details at Yamavar.com must be 21. Please gamble responsibly. Okay, first story. My boyfriend's co-workers joked about killing me in their workshop. That's not a joke. It's not a joke. It's not funny. Okay. So, let's get started. Yeah. My boyfriend and I got into a fight about his job yet again. I noticed he was texting a lot after the fight, so once he went to sleep, I went through his phone. I saw the first few texts of them calling me names and saying I'm self-sabotaging things, but then it turned dark. One co-worker said that he, meaning her boyfriend, should roofie me so I just sleep and leave him alone. The next one said she knows how to place a catheter, a feeding tube, and IV so they could

5:13knock me out and not kill me. What the hell? But then the next text made my heart stop. He said they could just chloroform me, pull all my teeth out and feed me to pigs until nothing was left. The next co-worker said her grandparents do have a pig farm. Now let's start with this. This is a male texting his female co-workers. Okay, yeah. There's a lot wrong with that. Well, okay. It's tough because when you brought this up, because it's a male and a woman relationship, I for sure have joked with friends. If they fuck you over, we'll kill him. I know we're to bury a body, but this is taking it to such an extreme level where it's not like a ha ha. Wish I could care rid of her. No, it's like every single person is one upping and getting more intense and more serious. These things are cruel. I would say context matters. If you're venting about your husband or partner to a friend and you're like, oh my god,

6:15she threw my silk in the laundry and it ruined my clothes. I could kill him. There's context that would make it not serious. But first of all, calling her names, laughing and making fun of your partner with your female co-workers is just like a gleeing for wool. Now you guys are getting into the specifics of how you would harm her. It feels really dark to me. It feels like it's not a joke anymore and they're kind of a little serious. Right. After the one co-worker made a joke about her grandparents having a pig farm, original poster's boyfriend said, L-M-A-O, no, that's great exclamation. And of course, they all immediately said they were all joking. I packed quickly and quietly, grabs my daughter and left. Now my entire life as I knew it is over. I feel like I'm overreacting. I know the police can't actually do anything, so I can't even report it because they never said my name or anything like that.

7:15I'm just scared and sad. This is awful. I have a lot of questions. I don't think she's ever reacting because that's a really scary thing to see. It's one thing if your partner has one confidant, a friend that they go to. I had a really big fight with her again. It's the same thing over and over. I don't know what to do. But this is a group of people plotting your murder. Even if it's a joke, it's not funny. And making fun of you. Yeah. Like in a cruel, disrespectful way. And I do think there's a difference between venting. I've definitely talked to my friends about my partners. I'm so mad. Here's what happened. I'm so annoyed. Getting into the specifics. But it's not name calling. It's not making fun of them in a cruel way. It's talking about my feelings, about something that's hurt me or bothered me. There's a difference. I'm also curious what job this boyfriend has. Yeah. Our partner has. Let's get into some of the comments. Yeah, because people have feelings. Yeah. So first comment is first.

8:17Good decision. Joking about killing your spouse is beyond messed up. Second, if his coworkers are so invested in getting rid of you and your ex is entertaining this discussion, my guess, in true Reddit long jump Olympics, is that she is more than a coworker. Original poster response, she actually is. They had enough fare about six months ago. And they're still texting. He told me she was no longer working there, but I recognize the number in the group chat. So he's lying too. And now it's giving Chris Watts with his mistress and how everyone thinks that she was involved, not saying she was, but that's what people think. And there was a lot of shit talking going on about his wife to the affair partner. It's not a good look and it's often a coworker, right? So another commenter said, once a cheater, always a cheater, especially since original poster stayed. That showed him there are no consequences to cheating.

9:19That was in response to the affair saying it was over all of that original poster responded to that comment. I fully agree with you. I was dumb and believed I could make it work out, but I was obviously very wrong. Cheating does suck, but I don't. I do believe that you can, relationships can heal post cheating. It depends on the affair and the person. I truly think if it was a one time thing or a couple time thing, it depends on how long you've been together, depends on what's the stake, depends on what the partner who cheated, what else they bring to the table. Really it depends. And are they willing to look at themselves internally? Probably not. Yeah, usually. But the situation, I feel like there's a lot of headlines. Yes. So commenter says this, even if they don't mention you by name, I would go to the police because they are speaking about killing someone. Well, what can they do? Isn't that the same issue of like, unless there's an act to do something, they can't really

10:19do much? Yeah, unless there's like an explicit threat of harm or violence. Especially if in the text they said they were joking after. Yeah. There's an update. Okay. First, I never expected my post to take off and I'm really appreciative of all the advice and support. It really helped. So here's my update. My daughter and I are safe. We left that night and got to our safe spot and haven't looked back. I didn't realize just how bad the mental and emotional abuse was until it was pointed out in a lot of these comments. I really appreciate that. I did report it to the police. I was able to gather enough proof that they were talking about me and they decided to charge them with assault by threat. What? So I was curious about that because I'd never heard that. Yeah. And I googled which states have this. Of course, I don't have a ton of context other than that, but Texas seems to be the biggest one that really has something and writing about this. Then when they said someone has a pig farm, I also technically do with Texas.

11:23So good context, Clue. Yeah, exactly. You're such an investigator. You know, I've got to put my little red string. Sure. A lot of things. But apparently this assault to threat charge is a big enough deal because then the OP says this. So they charge them with assault by threat, which won't keep them in jail for long, but long enough to maybe scare them into leaving me alone. The three of them did lose their jobs. Oh, shit. While it was a locally owned business, I didn't realize it was a franchise. I reported all the messages to the corporate offices as well as some more I had found about other shady things. When I love that, I love that. This is like the best update we've ever read on a really red story. Control of our life and of giving them consequences for sure. I'm into it. So I don't have to worry about them messing with anyone's food after the awful things that they planned for me. Wait. So obviously it's some food franchise. Okay. Because if they're able to mess with someone's food, you know, right.

12:26Which reminds me of the Rajneesh movement is that that's the one that the yellow deli called. Oh, and the yellow. Yeah. The yellow deli is so good. I've never seen one. I'm dying to go. I have the best coffee. Well, I'm going to get excited talking about it. Really? I don't want to advertise it. But it's like the best coffee I've ever had. What's so good about it? It has amaretto in it. Like the plant. Yeah. The actual, not the drink. You know, the drink's great too. But yeah, and it's so good. It's like got like a vanilla E almond E. Yeah, coffee flavor. Very good. I'm going to check that out. I also bought a mug from them. Maybe I'm in the cold. Maybe you are recruiting for the cold. I might be. OK. So original poster continues. After saying, you know, I don't have to worry about them messing with anyone's food. She continues. I'm working on filing for full custody of my daughter. I did meet with an attorney for a consultation and got some sound advice on what to do until I can actually file and get the ball rolling. My ex has been blowing up my phone, rotating between begging me to come back and then attacking

13:30me about ruining his life over a joke and calling me every name under the sun. I love this OP. And I hate that any of this stuff had to happen. But I so appreciate the way that she's like, I'm not looking back. Yeah. And sticking up for herself is prompting her boyfriend to show his true colors, like attacking her and calling her names while you're begging for her back. I mean, good luck. How's that working out for you? You're showing exactly who you are. So OP continues. I did find out the coworker in the chat wasn't the only girl he was sleeping with. My friend went and packed up the rest of my stuff and grabbed one of his old phones by mistake. His Apple ID and most things were still logged in when I powered it on. By mistake? That's a good friend. I'm old for sure, grab my hand. They found multiple dating apps and profiles, thousands of messages between him and different women. He's slept with a lot of them. That's exhausting. That was a good friend to grab the phone. Yeah, great move.

14:30But then also, how does he have time? How does anyone, dating is exhausting. And when you're living with someone and like, usually when you're dating someone new, like they want to text all the time. Yeah. I would be so bad at sneaking around. I don't know how people do it. But there are shady people who really are masterful at this. Yeah. OP continues. And this is in the context of he was sleeping with lots of different women. He was using no protection or birth control either, since apparently one of the girls was pregnant but lost the baby about a month ago. Lots of lies from him about being at work when he wasn't and lots of lies about times he worked and things like that. So violating? Disgusting. Really like different kind of violence, you know. It went back to at least November of last year. So who knows how long that's really been going on. So yes, my life is all flipped upside down and I'm obviously heartbroken and angry. But my daughter and I will be okay and I'm okay with that. We aren't ever going back and I'm just ready to move on, get settled again and also get

15:35every STD test available. Yeah. Thank you to everyone who offered support and message me. I really do appreciate all of it. I love her. I love her too. I do feel really bad. The like knowing that your partner or learning that your partner has had sex with so many people unprotected, like that is I would feel so uncomfortable in my own skin. I would also like need to get tested in. Oh, so icky. It's so icky. But in a weird way, you know how we like to have a happy ending of sorts. This is a happy ending. Totally. Getting out right away once you saw the ugly, once you saw the masks slip, she got out and she never looked back and she's going to be fine. Yeah, she is. We've got some comments. Okay. Question. Have you seen Below Deck Med episodes, but I'm not fully caught up. The newest season. There's the chef on the season. Her name is Joy. I am trying to embody her in every way of life. There was a guy who, I'm just going to tell you all this. I'm ready. There's a guy, Luke. Lach. Gross.

16:35Yeah, vomit. He was flirting with two women, Jen and Joy. He ends up sleeping with Jen, but he likes Joy. And when Joy found out that he slept with Jen, she's like, ew, I'm not interested in you anymore. You are disgusting and you are weak. And I don't want a man like you in my life and she fully goes to him. And she's French. Weak is like the best. You know, calling me weak. Classy, dig. Yeah. So I'm embodying her. I love that. And I feel like they give similar energy. Yes. Yeah. Totally. So here are a couple of comments. I'm really happy that you and your little one got away to be honest. It's not too much of a surprise that he was cheating on you with so many women. The shocker, a good one, was that all three were arrested and sacked. Serve them all right though. Don't block him or anyone. Just put their messages on mute and collect them for your lawyer as evidence. Or use against them or get a restraining order. Good advice. Great advice. I'm so glad to hear you and your daughter are safe. It takes incredible strength to make such a significant change, especially when dealing

17:35with so much emotional and mental turmoil. Sounds like you're taking all the right steps to protect yourselves and gain stability, wishing you strength and peace as you move forward. A last one. This is amazing comment. I thought it was so interesting. OP, you need to dump that phone of his immediately. He can track you with it. All he needs to do is go on the Find My app on his phone and he can see where all of his connected devices are located. Screenshot and send what evidence you need off of it and turn it over to the authorities prosecuting him. I didn't even think about that. Or put on airplane mode I guess. Yeah, but it will still show like last known location. And then you can still do like the ping I think. Yeah, but I also, you know, also be careful with taking people's stuff. Someone really litigious could have you arrested for that. Yeah, well, in a iPhone could be more than $1,000. So it could be grand larceny. So if you're dealing with a child custody arrangement, you just need to be careful about that.

18:37People get really petty really fast. And this guy sounds like someone who would be very petty. Yes. Yeah. All right, we're ready for story. I'm ready. Is something is happening in Dawson Creek. A wave of violence has swept over this community of just 13,000 people. It's like the kind of stuff you only hear about on TV. 15 murders in the last five years. Some criminals, I put them into the category of super villains. I'm Timothy Sawa and from CBC's uncover and the fifth estate an investigation into deaths and disappearances in Dawson Creek. and what's behind it all. I'm not saying another word, leave me alone. The Miles E.R. Immers, available now on CBC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. My son killed his ex-girlfriend. It, okay. This is a throwaway account with different details to not expose my family because there are articles of this out. And I want to keep privacy because it includes my entire family who did nothing wrong.

19:40When I hear that, my instinct is to be like, okay, I'll find it. I'll obviously find it. All you need is a couple keywords. Right. You know, but we'll just, we'll honor the posters, wishes. Ops says, it's been five years today and I still can't believe this. I'm so ashamed of being this person's father and having him will always be my biggest regret and mistake. That's so tough. Wow. Six years ago, he got into a relationship with his classmate who was also the daughter of one of my best friends. Her dad and I were childhood best friends. They were both 15 years old. They would be so excited. Probably was in the beginning. And as a mom too, you'd be like, this is the perfect partner. They didn't last a while. Maybe two months. And then they broke up like kids do. The next year around this same time, she went missing. We live in a small village, about 2,500 people. We all went out to look for her all week long with no success. A few kids ended up finding her body on their way to school dumped into a dumpster.

20:45Also, I just want to say no shade to the original poster. I hate when they call when they say dumped women's bodies. I know. We're not trash. But I think it hit the body, put the body. I don't like when they say that. Yes. But that's kind of what it's like discarded. I know. But like when they're murdered like that, it is like the act that the perpetrator admitted. It is dumping. It's like that disrespect. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I just hate the land around it. I agree. So when the victim was found, she was naked with multiple stab wounds all over her. She was covered in blood. They found the knife dumped with her. And my son's fingerprints were all over it. I had absolutely no idea about any of it. Because he came home at around 9 p.m. and cleaned clothes and he even helped search for her. Well, that's so thickening. He confessed to everything as soon as he was faced with the evidence. And they prosecuted him as an adult. And he got 25 years in prison. And I don't feel bad for him at all.

21:46I never visited him after that. The last time I saw him was when he was sentenced to prison at the courthouse, which happened just two months later. Because he immediately confessed everything. Ever since then, our entire community has shunned us. My friend, and I can only imagine they mean the best friend whose daughter this was. My friend spit in my face. In front of the entire village. And he'd have killed me if people didn't intervene. And I didn't and couldn't even blame him for it. Because I have two daughters of my own and I get it completely. I publicly disowned him, meaning his son. And so did our entire family. But the guilt and shame was just too much. I lost all my friends and I didn't have the heart to show my face in that village anymore. So a couple of months later, we sold our house and we moved to a completely different country and continent where we didn't know anyone. I would probably do the same. There was either some information missing because spitting in his face

22:46and being so angry at him just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. When he's disowned the son and not supporting. It's just anger. It's just anger, but why do you deal with people deal with grief? I know. Have you seen that movie? We need to talk about Kevin. I think that's what it's called. Maybe. It's about a couple whose child ends up being a school shooter. And it's fiction. But I don't know. I think there's a lot of stories similar to this. And it's a really interesting look at the aftermath and how everyone in the town just even though they have been like trying to get their kid help, then like they also have such regret the way that everyone else turns on them. Because they have to like their anger is like displaced, but they have to put it somewhere. Yeah. That's fair. It's a good contrasting perspective. I appreciate that. Because I can't even imagine losing your child. And then also I can't imagine being in this position where you like the person you raised and you wanted to have a good life turns into a murderer.

23:48There's a lot of nuance here where it's like I think completely disowning your child is probably the hardest thing ever saying you regret having him. Complicated emotions there. Yeah. And then obviously just all the anger being taken out on the pants left behind. That's heavy stuff. I do appreciate. Because I feel like more often than not, you see stories where parents like defend their child to the end. And it's like I understand there's so much nuance and complex dynamics there. But if you're child murder someone, that is wrong. Yes, but they were all so 16. Like, yeah, it's not I'm not making excuses. I've actually not seen a parent really completely disown a child. Maybe a teenager. Yeah. We may have committed murder. Yeah. Move to a different country. I mean, it was a strong reaction. But maybe those are the kind of reactions we need to be having. So much violence against women is perpetuated. Like maybe maybe that's what should be happening.

24:50Yeah. You know, this is the original poster talking about like the experience of moving to get their continent, right? They continue. I lived in that village my entire life. All my family and friends were there. I was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. But it was for the good of my family. I hate my son for what he did to that poor little girl. And I hate him for destroying our family's entire life. And I hate him for making one of my very best friends. Go through the worst pain a father could ever experience. Every single year on this day, I feel it all over again. Like it just happened. And I feel like absolute shit. He deserves every single minute he gets in that prison. And if we're up to me, they'd never let him out. He deserves to rot in there. Big feelings. Clearly someone who needs to like go and process feelings. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So should we get into some of the comments? Yeah. One says, wow, that was so sad to read. I am so sorry. Did he have any remorse or did he show no empathy or emotion?

25:53The good question. Well, original poster replies and says, he was crying but because of the sentence. Yeah. But also if they've never talked to their kid again, like you don't really know. Good point. The age doesn't matter, but like this killer's brain is not fully developed. Yeah. Long-term consequences may not have sunk in at all. Like truly, I remember being a teenager and doing the most insane shit because you truly can't conceptualize like a decade later. Right. And what that means and the ripple effects. So it's possible that later they'll feel remorse, but like honestly, I feel like when you, in this might be a controversial take, I feel like if you go into prison that young, you learn more fucked-up shit in prison. Yeah. And you kind of have to become hardened and even more emotionless to get through it and survive prison. I'm sure they just got worse. We are thinking about it with like the US judicial system in mind, where there are other countries that have better, better rehabilitation.

26:53Yeah. Yeah. You're up. You hope that maybe there's a chance for rehabilitation, but yeah. The other side of that is that like, their sentences are too short. Yeah. You know, in Canada, in various European countries, like I hear about these horrible murders that happen, and then they get like 10 years. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, good thing you're not letting them out here. Yeah. Would you never talk to them again if you were in this position? I don't think as a non-parent, I could. Possibly imagine the complexities of deciding something like that. I also, when someone wrongs me, probably to my own detriment, and maybe not the best way, but like, I want to like talk it out. I want to understand every reason why. And just for my own brain. Yeah. I like would need to pour over the closure a lot. And I would need to understand where things went wrong. And like, where I went wrong is the pain. Where I, that's probably another part of this that like is a layer that they're not even there yet,

27:56like the self blame. Absolutely. Yeah. So in response to the OP saying that their son was crying because the sentence, a comment are responded, that softly means he only does care for himself. I'm sorry for you all. By the restraining order for all of you guys, so that way, when he does get released, he can't get in touch. And OP says, I'm living in a different continent altogether, and he doesn't know where I am. I'm planning to keep it that way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Comment your response. Hey, OP, I unfortunately experienced something similar, not to the same extent as you, as it was my stepbrother. But I see the toll it takes on my stepmom every single day. Almost six years ago, he snapped, went on a week long spree of killing, kidnaps, and home invasions. He admitted to everything in a serving 30 years. He never showed any signs of being violent before this and had a loving and supportive family. You are a victim of your son's crimes. He ruined your life too. And I'm so incredibly sorry, it's not your fault.

28:56Reddit is a beautiful place. It is. That is so stupid. Or that I never thought we'd say. I know. But like, that is, these are very compassionate responses. And it's a place obviously like, where you don't want to broadcast this to maybe your co-workers that like, hey, I have a stepbrother who did this. But these are people commiserating over like the darkest corners of humanity. Whereas like in the public world, it's hard to find a resource like that. It's hard to find a group. Like there's no like, my son's a murderer group that's on Facebook, you know? You're not meeting every week like, hey, hey. But yeah, that's tough. I mean, we were having this conversation earlier today, where I'm like, I would love to be a parent in the future. But I'm terrified of having a boy. Because it just feels like such a big responsibility, especially in like today's day and age and like our society, of like making sure the responsibility of raising a son to be respectful, to be like a good human just feels so scary and daunting.

30:01I agree that I feel like we're commingling with like maybe the last few generations of men who are like, we're raised without these terrifying internet influences. And like without the red pill influences. The manosphere? Without in-sell influence, without the deep dark threads on discord. Really poisoning the psyches and like poisoning young boys against women. My husband, his eight, you know, it's like he didn't have any of that. That could suck him in. But then there was like the but society in general also just has like these like unwritten rules that are taught. And you can't control every aspect of a child's life. Like you can't control the influences that are coming into life from other places. Once they end up, once they're in school, once they're at their friends' houses. Yeah, it's a scary world out there. And there's scary stuff for girls too. It's like, okay, so, yeah, girls are mean. I mean, girls are mean and girls, you know, become victims. Yeah. So to boys, you know, there's a lot of boys who are victimized by adult men,

31:05you know, like these things happen. So by being a parent is such a huge responsibility. Yes. And you're really signing up for like, yeah, and a lot of people don't really think that through. They don't. But the ones who do are the best parents. Agreed. I don't know them. I mean, sometimes the ones who are so nice. They're all good parents. Actually, my sister is one of them. They're the best parents. Yeah. You're great parents. We're not whatever. Anyway, but this is, I like this story. It brought up like a lot of good conversations to be had. 100%. Are we ready for the next one? Yeah. This is probably my favorite one just because I think it's going to give us the best conversational. Great. Hi, ghouls and goblins. I'm Vanessa Richardson. It's officially our favorite time of year at Crime House. Spooky season. Every Sunday this month we're dropping a bonus episode on Crime House 247 where true crime becomes paranormal. A ghost hunt that ends with an innocent man dead in the street. A skeleton sealed inside a hollow tree,

32:06nameless for 80 years. A ghost testimony that puts a killer in prison and a murder defense built on demonic possession. Listen every Sunday on Crime House 247 or join Crime House Plus for all four right now, add free. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or at CrimeHousePlus.com. I know it's terrible and not what my wife deserves, but we were the real thing. Him and the affair partner, Amy. Okay. Two weeks ago she had an allergic reaction when we were getting food after work, but she used her Epi pen and seemed mostly okay afterwards. She usually gets checked at the hospital after a reaction. She was a very good person. She was a very good person. She was a very good person.

33:06She was a very good person. She was a very good person. She was a very good person. She was a very good person. At the hospital after a reaction. But I asked if I could take her home and if she could get her friend to drive her because my wife was expecting me back home. All I know is that she had a secondary reaction that evening and died. This is only the tip of the iceberg with this one. So buckle up. OP continues. I didn't even find out about it until the following Monday through a work email. Right, I'm sorry. You didn't check it. You didn't try to check it on her. You'll see how much did you love her? They continue. It has been eating me up ever since and I'll never forgive myself for not sacrificing an hour of my time to possibly save her. I sent some childish messages to Amy when I didn't hear from her over the weekend because I thought she was angry that I didn't take her to the hospital. But she should have been if she was alive. I had a right to be. Yeah, I'm thankful she never saw them

34:07in a shame that I assumed the worst. Our relationship was great and the highs far outweighed the lows. But I have always hated being ignored and I lose my cool when that happens. It is not a regular. There's so many red flags here. Oh, it gets so crazy. It gets so crazy. It's not a regular occurrence and I would have had more than made it up to her. She's dead, man. It gets so good. But here, like so we're clear. Yeah. He didn't take her. Then he sent crazy messages to her when she didn't respond to him when she was dead. And he doesn't really seem remorseful even though the like start of this whole post it was like it's my fault. I feel bad. I don't really think you do. Okay, ready? Yeah. No, but yeah. Yeah. Yesterday at work, H.R. and Legal were in this CEO's office all day and my manager ended up canceling our project meeting because he was in with them all afternoon. I was on edge. But an affair isn't exactly a corporate crisis.

35:08And I thought something would have already happened if anyone knew. I am now 99% certain that meeting was about me. A few hours ago, I received a message from Amy's phone which said, this is Amy's brother, Tom. I want you to know it was me. What? Who like reported it? Okay. Yeah, Tom revenge for his sister. Tom is a brother. Yeah. I would for sure do that too. Because Tom obviously got the phone after Amy's death and saw the messages, the angry abusive messages that were sent. And obviously he probably outed himself like, I'm sorry to take you to the hospital, you bitch. Stuff like that. And Tom's seeing this like, oh my god, she could have survived. So, O.P. continues with this. I tried to call, but it went straight to voicemail. And none of my messages have been delivered, which means Tom blocked. Yeah. I tried to call my manager more times than I should have. And he sent me a message saying this,

36:09please don't contact me until Monday morning. Yeah. I can't discuss anything with you right now. Yeah, this guy is by rolling. So, it looks like my universe is going to collapse. As it should. I'm going to be fired. In my wife will find out, they'll definitely find out why I'm being fired. As she should. All I can do is hope that Amy's brother only showed them the messages from that weekend and they were bad enough. It's a delusion. This guy's a dick. I can't. Right? Like, you're worried about being fired. Amy's dead. And yeah, you're worried about your wife finding out about an affair. Amy's dead. Yeah. Let's, let's remember. Tom lost his sister. Yeah. I have no family except my wife and daughter and nowhere to go. All of my friends are either people I've met through my wife or my colleagues who make some good friends in prison. Literally, if your wife was the center of your whole world, why did you cheat on her? Like, if all your friends were through your wife,

37:10she sounds pretty great. Yeah. On Monday, everything I've spent over a decade working towards disappears. I can't stop it. I can't talk to anyone about it. So, here I am. I know cheaters are the devil, so I'm not expecting sympathy, but this is making my chest hurt. It's a way you're like, straight up looking, Presimathy. Or something. Like, yeah. This is making my chest hurt, and I need to get it out there. This reminds me of the most recent season of White Lotus and the dad who like, the whole season was going to kill his family. He was going to kill his whole family because he was going to get arrested for White collar crime. Because it's a big minute. Because it's a big minute. The thought of like, the real disgrace. And they're just talking about how much they love being rich. And he's like, oh my god, I'm not going to be. I'm going to poison everyone. This is a great comment. Tom has real Olenna Tyrell energy, true kingship. You don't know who she is? No. She poisoned Jaffrey in game of thrills. Oh, okay. Then, yeah. Yeah. And then she sort of mocked Cersei. And it was like, I want them to know it was me right before she was going to die.

38:10But still, it's like, she took things in her own hands because Jaffrey was evil and torturous and murderous. So, the comment continues realistically. I can't blame him, meaning Tom Amy's brother. His sister is dead because of Cheety McCheter face over here. And he had other things to do. He can't have him arrested, but he can't otherwise ruin his life. OP, the absolute worst thing here isn't losing your wife, family, job or support system. It's living with your guilt. Best of luck. Yeah, the worst thing is that Amy is dead because you did not help her. And the Reddit community, they really don't hold back. Another comment says, wow, you hate being ignored but are totally cool with ditching your wife and child. Are you really this self-centered? You probably have been ignoring your wife and child for ages. Over a lady, you couldn't stand to not respond due to her medical emergency. She had a reaction in front of you and you got mad. Instead of maybe possibly thinking she was dealing with, I don't know, anaphylaxis, everything that's about to happen to you is your karma.

39:11100%. Can you imagine your beautiful sweet daughter, marrying a man who she thought loved her? He made vows to her and had a child with her. Only he found a young impressionable little thing at work who he decided was 1% better than her and therefore was worth neglecting her and their child. Cheating on her for, risking his job by getting her promotions, she wasn't qualified for and was planning to leave her for. This person was only 1% better, your daughter. Cheated on by a piece of shit who only thought with his dick. What would you say about that? Now this OP respond? Not to this. But this added a, you know, a kernel of context that we haven't introduced yet. Which is that OP and Amy, Amy was younger, OP was in the position of power at work and gave her promotions she didn't deserve. Necessarily because of his favoritism stemming from the affair, right? So there's an update.

40:11I've been consistently harassed for an update since posting, so please take it. Glow it because you're such wonderful people in comparison. Then stop following me around. I read it. Everyone is probably who's commenting is a better person than OP. I also think it's fascinating that OP would continue indulging this. You know? And like, they're obsessed with themselves. Yeah. So they said this, I am suffering in the wake of my infidelity and unprofessional behavior as I knew I would. I understand that it is an appropriate outcome and I'm taking full accountability. I was suspended from work on Monday and I'll probably be fired sooner than I thought. I'd hoped to be able to save money as HR built their case. But it looks like Amy's brother basically performed the entire investigation for them. After an excruciating three hour run through everything they had, I spoke to the founder of their company and he recommended the solicitor I'm now using. I believe they're in England based on this language. Yeah. The issue is that the company has to come down hard

41:12on me to protect themselves because even though Amy's family doesn't have much chance of acclaim, any suggestion of a cover-up could cause damage regardless. So things are not good with my wife. I'm still committed to making this as easy as possible for her, but I had to draw a line when it came to my daughter. When I got home from being unceremoniously escorted out of my office, she already had a bag packed for me. She wouldn't let me wait in the house until my daughter was back. She wouldn't let me check to make sure I had everything I needed. She wouldn't let me take the car and she didn't care that I had nowhere to go. Nor would I. I don't care at all. I spent two nights in a hotel then went back when she refused to let me see my little girl. She tried to stop me, but we owned the house jointly and it was my only option. My wife has family. She could stay with, but she won't leave our daughter and, oh my gosh, so sorry you're being inconvenienced. Me and my wife were at a stalemate right now in regards to the custody. I'm keeping out of her way as best I can,

42:13which I appreciate is the least I can do. The Amy situation is quite difficult to talk about and a lot hasn't sunk and yet. It turns out that she didn't love me as much as I loved her, if at all. Her brother sent me images of her, talking to her friends about me, and it's hard to believe they came from the person I loved, but they are real. Zara to those who were heavily invested in me being a predatory abuser, but she and her friends had a good laugh about her manipulating me for money and a promotion. Browl came with a big pay raise, and it looks like her plan was to treat it as free cash, then go work with one of her friends when it fell through. She knew I'd come under scrutiny whenever she messed up, and assumed I'd keep stepping in to save her. She was right. Obviously I am completely humiliated. I was planning to give up everything to build a life with her, and she was treating me like a joke the whole time. My feelings are complicated, so please don't feel entitled to any expansion on this, but I no longer feel guilt over her death.

43:15Shot up. Reddit acted like, can you believe this? And this is a joke. This isn't even the last twist. There's more, but it continues. Reddit acted like I kept her hostage, whilst she begged for help. What actually happened was that I asked if she could ask her friend to take her to the hospital, because I had to go home. She said that was fine, because she needed to get some clothes back from her anyway, and I dropped her off as normal. Ultimately, she wasn't a adult, who had better understandings of her medical needs than I did. I still don't know what happened between us and goodbye and her death, but whatever it was, it had nothing to do with me. I'm sorry for her family's loss, but I bear no responsibility for her passing. I have to take a sip of water. What a... There's no curse word or bad name that suits this man. I think it's complicated, though. Like, I do agree it's complicated, but like the lack of accountability and remorse just makes him a total dickwad.

44:17Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's interesting compartmentalized thinking. Yeah. So, after Amy's messages to her friends were passed around, a few people, meaning I guess co-workers, quietly reached out with words of support. I assumed everyone would write me off like Reddit did, as an abuser and predator. Now it's clear that Amy was using me. They see me as a fool who had then lost it all. It's beyond humiliating, but I have learned I'd rather be pettied than despised. And it improves my legal position with work. Oh, I hate this man so much. They are small mercies, but I'll take what I can get. I remain filled with regret, and I will have learned many lessons by the time I get through this. I may have been deceived, but I am a grown man who made my choices, and I take full responsibility for them. So, this is where it gets so interesting, and I can't wait to get your take on me. First two comments. OP still doesn't seem, at all, remorseful for Amy's death. Agreed. Now he just seems but hurt that she didn't actually love him back.

45:18Yep. Another. So sad that he has a daughter that has to be tangled up in all of this. He doesn't seem to care about his daughter's well-being at all either. OP is a real POS. Agreed. Ready? I don't know. A new post. I'm a co-worker of someone who's Reddit's story about work went viral. I'm feeling chatty, so AMA, I guess. So this is a co-worker of OP and AMA. Love, okay. I'm in the comments because I worked at the same company as this guy, and in the same department as his affair partner, who died under very sad circumstances. Obviously, you can read all about it from his perspective conveniently. I only joined Reddit quite recently, but I was aware of the post a few weeks after it was made, because it was passed around the office, and gave us all a ton of information, which made a lot of things suddenly make sense. You were all extremely invested at the time. And weirdly, the story you all saw set up a series of events, which basically led to an entire division of the company quitting.

46:19Whoa. A few people in the comments of the post I saw earlier today seemed interested, so because the company didn't think to get me to sign any additional confidentiality agreements, when I left, an equally dramatic but also closely related story, I figured I'd spend a Friday night drinking wine and spilling tea. Wow. I mean, this is the most intense work drama. We could do that for another episode of Work Drama. Yes. I love that. I love that. So one thing I do need to mention is that the original poster, the OP, has a brain injury he didn't disclose in his posts. I can't speculate too much on that. And I'm not saying it makes his actions forgivable, but it would be crazy to pretend it's not a factor here. Okay. It may elaborate. Okay. They say this. He lives independently, but from what I'm aware, his brother helps him a lot. Now, a commenter says this. It's so interesting how the fact that he had a brain injury changes this story and makes it make a different sort of sense. Like how on the other hand, you and your co-workers reading the Reddit post

47:23did the same, but in a different way. A worker says this. Oh, for sure. We were absolutely horrified by some of the things people were saying to him when it started getting passed around. And we were really worried about how he'd take it all. There was talk of creating an account to explain, but because it was looking like it might end up in court, no one wanted to risk it. He can't blame them, really, but it's definitely mad how much that fact changes things. Yeah. It's like a big piece that we're missing. Well, and it's like the co-workers on the OP side. Right. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. So another commenter says this. Did it end up going to court? Co-worker. No. Because all the higher ups at the company basically like abused their expense accounts. So all of them had skeletons that they were trying to hide. So they didn't want the case basically going to court. Of course. They'd be digging up everything. Yeah. Like everything would appear in discovery. So they didn't want to out themselves. Right. So another commenter says this. I know you shared that he has a traumatic brain injury that influenced his thinking.

48:25Was it as wildly apparent and handicapping to his professional life as it was his personal? He seems easily manipulated if you fed his ego the most minimal scraps. Here's where the co-worker shines the biggest light on all of this. And it'll help us look through the entire thing like with a completely different man's. Yeah. Poe worker. It was really weird. And I can't think of a better way to put it than really fucking weird. I'm an engineer by trade. And he could ask a million extremely complex questions about the technology I was working on. And pose reasonable follow-up questions based on my answers, which required a ton of domain knowledge. Not immediately after the accident, but certainly within a year. He could also within minutes of making a super insightful point, which totally changed the direction of my week. Fall apart because a sandwich had too much mayo on it. I don't know if you've ever seen the expressions of a child superimposed on an adult's face, but it's unsettling in a way that sticks with you.

49:27I personally couldn't in good conscience treat him like an adult full-time. Interesting. He was fine maybe 80% of the time, but when he slipped, it was like interacting with an eight-year-old in an adult's body. He wouldn't say much when he got confused, but his face would totally change. I don't know him well, but I'm not convinced he could properly consent to a sexual relationship. Ah, there's so much going on here. Between the wife, the daughter, he's already married with a child in a family. He's obviously got a high demand job. Like he's an engineer or something like that. Well, it sounds like the accident was like a year ago or something like that. So it's recent and then that would make me have an impact. So the implication here per the coworker is that Amy took advantage of him, that he couldn't possibly consent to a sexual relationship. That possibly I'm further gleaning from what you're saying, that perhaps he couldn't understand

50:28the severity of the allergic reaction. I mean, it does make sense that in his original post about how he's so blase about so many things. Yeah. It's fascinating. What are your takeaways? Like, I know that was a lot of talking through the coworker's. And a little bit of whiplash, because I wanted to hate him so bad. No. Yeah. I mean, big picture. Yes, Amy was an adult and she's had these issues and allergies before. We're after you get an heavy pen, you have to go to the hospital. Like, heavy pen just helps you in the moment, but you need to go to the hospital to just make sure you're okay. They should have just called 911 and she got an ambulance. Yeah. That's on both of them. I don't think yes, there's negligence, but I don't think he intentionally left her to die. I think it's nuanced. Yeah. I think it's complicated because like if he has sort of this brain injury, what if she passive aggressively was like, yeah, I guess I'll just have my friend do it. And he took it as, okay, she said yes.

51:28Yeah. You know, because like some people are very literal. Yeah. Like, and anything could have happened here. So it's just more complicated than the original thought. I really wanted to hate him. And now I'm just confused about him. Yeah. Yeah. If we didn't get the context, I would still hate him. Yeah. But now I'm like, I don't know. Now I feel like I can't weigh in. Now I feel like I don't. It doesn't make you question the things that you read on Reddit where you're like, am I getting the full picture? Can I trust this original poster's perspective on everything? Context matters. Context matters. And people conveniently leave certain information out based on their like defense mechanisms and wanting a Reddit community to maybe validate them. Right. But like he was brutally honest in his posts. And people hated him for it. Yeah, they did. Yeah. Including me. Yeah. Wow. I know. That's, you took me on a roller coaster. No, I took my self-proper- We went to our first amusement park together. I know. When it was fun. Yeah. I didn't throw up. I got nauseous. And then you had a good time.

52:29Then you had a dopamine rush. And now I'm having a come down. Yeah. Yeah. Sat it's over. I'm just sat it's over too. I'm gonna get on the next red. We gotta go back. So if you have any confessions, because this is my, I, these were a twist that like I wasn't expecting this type of confession. I was expecting people to be like, I did this. Yeah. Or I have a confession. I mean, I guess the last one was a little bit. But if you have confessions of your own, please share them with us on our Reddit. It's our backslash crimes of pod. And we'll potentially share it on a future episode. And if you have any other stories that you want us to cover on upcoming episodes, you can leave them in the comments too. So thanks for joining us for Crimes of Reddit, a Crime House original. You're at Crime House. We want to thank each and every one of you for your support. If you like what you heard here today, reach out on all social media channels at Crime House. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow Crimes of Reddit, wherever you get your podcasts, and your feedback really truly does make a difference. We'll be back next Tuesday, and next week I will be sharing the stories

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