The Reddit Thread That Became a Horror Story

0:00This is Crime House. His wife is describing sex acts that she would like to perform with him and he is reciprocating right in front of this woman's husband by the way. She, my wife, tells him to check his snapchat and at the same time I get a snapchat from her too. Oh my God. I keep talking, trying to figure out when they can meet up and have sex. So they're scheming right in front of his face behind his back. And she sent it to both of them. Welcome back to Crime's Reddit. I'm Alexis Lingletter. And I'm Sabrina Deanna Roga. Every week we are going down Reddit's deepest rabbit holes to uncover the most disturbing and bizarre stories posted by the people who actually lived them. Yeah. And today I'll be covering a deeply disturbing story that we unearthed from Reddit. We're a tale of adultery spiraled into a real life horror story.

1:01And this case is interesting because it really reveals how something like infidelity, which seems, I mean, not innocuous emotionally, but like... It's common. Common, unfortunately. ...can really devolve into something much more insidious. Okay. I have not heard this story at all. So I have no idea what it's about to come. I know. And I'm so excited for you to hear it. It's so sick how excited we got each week. Well, listen, there are very few surprises in my life. So the idea that like these stories I don't know are dangled in front of me until I get to hear them from you. Yeah. So when that keeps me going in this dark world, I love it. I love... I love this show. We hope you love it too. And if you do, subscribe. And step inside the world of Crime's Reddit. Please follow, rate, and review us wherever you listen. It helps us build this community, which we love. Redheads. We love hearing from you. So to get early access and after you listening, subscribe to the Crime House Plus community on Apple Podcasts. You can also catch us on YouTube where we include visuals that bring all of these insane

2:05stories to life in a completely different way. All right. I'm going to close my computer. I'm going to stare you in the eyes. Yeah. And let you take me on the journey. Are we ready for the subject of the post? Yes. Okay. I, 30, have a hard time coping with my wife, 29 female, have cheated on me with our neighbor, 51 male. Okay. And the way the original poster starts, it's just like, it has been 476 days since I confronted her about it. How do I know? Because every time I catch myself thinking about it, I tell myself it's only been X days. Maybe you won't think about it tomorrow. Wow. Oh, emotional guy. So to go back to the beginning, I had just taken on a new project and new responsibilities at work. I was working a lot of 60 plus hour weeks and was noticeably stressed.

3:05It was in May of 2015 that I noticed she had added a password to her phone. When I confronted her about it, she told me it was because she was planning my father's day present and didn't want to ruin the surprise. About a week later, she came to me and told me that she felt guilty keeping such a big secret from me and told me she was having our neighbor, a contractor, built a home office for me as my present. Okay. See where this is going? Yep, I see where this is going. It struck me as odd. As in our six years together, she's never said she felt guilty about anything and always insists she never regrets anything in her life. To never regret, okay, this is such a tangent, but my mom is just like one of those people who's not the most self-aware. I asked her the other day, I was like, do you ever feel embarrassed? She said no. What a liberating thing. I was embarrassed 20 minutes ago when we took thumbnail photos. I'm embarrassed right now. She must be so free.

4:06I don't know. I think a little bit of self-awareness and embarrassment is good for the human population. But there's a fine line because I'm shackled by those things and I should go with the difference. All I'm saying is that she's never regretted anything in life. I feel like never feeling guilty is crazy. Anyways, time goes on. Her phone, meaning his wife, is still password protected and things don't feel right. I see her using her phone and smiling to herself more and more often. But when I ask her what she's doing, she says nothing and puts her phone away. So one morning, I wait for her to get in the shower and I grab her phone before it requires the password. Smart. Though don't violate people's privacy. No. But sometimes I'm provilating privacy. If your spidey senses are tingling, you just know you're being lied to. I think you can maybe justify it. If they're violating your relationship and the sanctity of your relationship, putting you at risk in any way, he continues. So I go through her messages and find that she's texting the neighbor.

5:08Quote, I am all covered in frosting. You want to lick it off. End quote. There were no other messages to the neighbor. But I found out later it was because she had set up her phone to delete messages after a certain amount of time automatically. I felt uncomfortable with it, but I knew she had a perverted sense of humor and I thought she'd never do anything to hurt me. More time goes by and the neighbor is spending more and more time at her house. But the office is being completed slower and slower. I can't help but worry that something isn't right. So I start checking her location using Google Timeline. It was at this point that I realized that there are large gaps in her GPS history because she was turning off her phone's GPS. Also a red flag. Fast forward to July. And at this point, the paranoia is driving me nuts. So I tell her that I need to install a new antivirus software on her phone. While she hasn't unlocked for me, I install anti theft software so I can remotely turn the GPS back on and set up AT&T message backup and restore so I can read all of her text

6:13messages from that point on on my computer. See if it were me. I would just, I'm the type of person where if I see something on a partner's phone or if I have any inclination, it eats me alive. I have to have right away confront it and be like, are you cheating on me? These people who can hold it in and like plan and scheme like Gone Girl vibes. I wonder what that's like because I'm the same way. I'm like hard on my sleeve. I'll like burst into tears. I wouldn't be able to sleep. Yeah. 100% like I could never hold it in and simmer quietly. It would just be too much for me. Anyways, the next day, this is after he installs the anti theft software. My mother asked to spend time with my two kids. So my wife drops them off with her and has the day to herself. I watch my wife's activity from work as she spends the day trying to meet up with the neighbor, but is unsuccessful because he's busy with another job site. That night we got the kids back from my mom's house and we went out to dinner with the neighbor,

7:13his girlfriend and his son. I could never do that knowing there's something. That's the thing like I understand that she's appears to be having this affair, but his interest in getting everyone in the same room is interesting. I respect it. I don't know if it's a good idea. I don't think any of these things were a good idea. Okay. Agreed. But I respect it because I could never do it. From like a storytelling, listening to the story, perspective, I respect it. He's curious. He's a curious man. I guess that's fascinating. So anyways, we went out to dinner with the neighbor, his girlfriend and his son. My wife and his girlfriend are having a good time drinking, laughing and just joking around. So the wife saw butted up with the neighbor's girlfriend. This girlfriend mentions that she would like to see Magic Mike XXL. Now if you don't know what that is, Magic Mike, and I think they're referring to the movie, Magic Mike is a movie about male strippers.

8:13Channing Tatum is generally the protagonist. And it mirrors sort of his real life ascension to celebrity because he began his career as a stripper. So there's the context there. And have you been to those in Vegas? Yes. I went to Thunder Down Under. I've been to them all for like bachelor at parties. It's hot. Eh. It's not for me. I mean, the guys are like, adonis is right. They're like perfectly sculpted, but that's never been my thing. I'm not a really into that. Right. Because I just look at a guy like that and they look like no fun. Well, I wouldn't want to date a guy like that. They're too pretty. Well, like I want to go drink a margarita. I want a quesadilla. You can do both at Magic Mike. No, sure. But the guys are eating that. I want to go for gelato after dinner. And they're like, no, no, sorry. I have to meet my macros or whatever. No, thank you. Anyways, so original poster says it's a good idea. I'll watch the kids. So my wife and the girlfriend of the neighbor can go see Magic Mike XXL.

9:17So they go and the neighbor and I, meaning the person he suspects is having an affair with his wife. They go back to original poster's house. So their kids can play video games together. He continues, the kids are back in my sons' room playing games and the neighbor is sitting across from me on the other couch. Is at this point that my wife starts texting him. And he's following this on this anti theft software in real time. So his wife is describing sex acts that she would like to perform with him and he is reciprocating right in front of this woman's husband, by the way. She, my wife, tells him to check his snapchat. And at the same time, I get a snapchat from her too. Oh my God. And it's her fingering herself in a bathroom stall. They keep talking, trying to figure out when they can meet up and have sex. So they're scheming right in front of his face behind his back. And she sent it to both of them. Yeah. And original poster continues.

10:18They decide on Monday morning after I go to work. So in my head, I had already planned a pretend to leave and circle back to catch them. But then they tell each other that they love each other. Oh no. And it is all like, oh this is so sad. I know. But like, you shouldn't have to see this. It's why like, oh, I would, I want a seat. I would go insane. If people were scheming, like making a fool out of me in front of my face behind my back. No. I don't let people play in my face. Fair. I would confront it. But I would want a seat. Yeah, I would go nuclear. But anyways, original poster continues. But I contain myself and continue reading the conversation unfolding in front of me. Then he, the neighbor tells her, you're my girl now. To what she replies, always have been. Ending with him writing and always will be corny. And he's a good one. Yeah, and she's 29. Ew. So original poster continues. My wife and the neighbor's girlfriend returned from the Magic Mike movie. And I asked them politely to sit down.

11:19I then asked the kids to stay in my son's room and shut the door. I returned to the living room and confront my wife in the neighbor. I appreciate that. Yeah. So I say this. So you two love each other, huh? My wife goes into full blown denial mode. And the neighbor's girlfriend starts smacking him. I asked my wife if she has been texting him. She says, no. So I show her the messages. Then she admits to it, but says it was the first time it had gone that far. You're saying I love you? Yeah. And then like you're my girl and corny shit like that. Yeah. No, not the first time. I asked my wife if she has sent him pictures. She says no. So I show her the picture. She admits it, but says it was the first time. I asked her if she is having sex with him. And she says no. Because I didn't wait to catch them having sex together. I didn't have evidence to prove her wrong. So that one stayed unresolved. It's resolved. We know the answer. You don't need to catch them to know. But when you're dealing with someone manipulative, yes, you do. Sure. Because there's just no way these types of people

12:19are so masterful with the way they lie and with their denials that truly sometimes like you need the evidence and even then, they'll still deny it. So here he's like, I didn't have it to catch her. He has enough evidence to know what's going on. Yeah. So original poster says this, I tell her that I am leaving her. She tells me that she will make sure I never see my kids again if I do. She planned on using the fact that I had attempted suicide in high school to prove me unfit to have the children. This is so messed up. She continues to say that it was my fault for being so busy with work and stressed out that she just wanted someone she could talk to. Do I believe partially that's true? Yes, but to like throw it, because I do think, some people cheat just to cheat, but then I do think that there's like cheating because there's issues in a relationship and like that's someone's way out. But like to throw it all on him and then be vindictive and be like, I'm going to take your children away from you, just proves the type of person that she is.

13:20Yeah, I mean, it's insane. And it's her fault for cheating, but she cheated because of a reason that's fine. And you guys can talk through that. I also don't think being busy and feeling lonely is a good excuse to cheat. Agreed. Like you're supposed to communicate through that. I get though if you express your needs over and over and it's ignored, people do impulsive, bizarre stuff, and they act out of character or so. But she's not showing any remorse. No, she's blaming him. So then she gives me and also made him to decide what I'm going to do or she will decide for me. Remember, the neighbor and his girlfriend are also there for this. So the neighbor's girlfriend starts defending the two of them saying that it couldn't have been serious if they weren't having sex and that my wife and I are too perfect together to let this break us up. The neighbors then go home and my wife and I argue for the rest of the night about what we are going to do. The girlfriend sounds like an idiot. She's also probably 21. And being manipulated. So we go to bed separately, having not resolved anything. We kept going back and forth on the subject all weekend

14:22and finally decided we were going to separate temporarily while we figure out what we want. I was going to stay in the house and she was going to take the kids and go to her mom's house. That Monday I went to work and I got a text from her in the middle of a meeting with my bosses stating that she had explained things to our kids, but that they were upset and I needed to explain it to them also. What did she explain to the kids? What did she say? Who did she blame? How badly are you traumatizing them to get what you want? Is it not have him leave you? Especially if you don't know what you're going to do yet, don't dump that information on children. You children should not come in the middle of marital problems. I've heard horror stories about people sending their children to like catch the other partner in the act. And it's like you are traumatizing the shit that these children and you're setting the stage for a lifetime of dysfunctional relationships. You were what, six when your parents? Seven when your parents had divorce. Did you feel like you were put in the middle? No, but I definitely had a lot of

15:23bucked up relationships my entire life until I married a very healthy handsome man. There's hope for us yet. But even then am I messing that up? I hope not. I hope not. But I don't know, I don't trust myself because those sorts of things really are blueprint and 50% of marriages and end of divorce. I think even more now like parents need to handle this better so that kids can heal. Yeah, my mom was like showing me emails. That is wrong. From my mom or from my dad. You were a child. I was like 11 years old. So don't recommend that. No, no. So when original poster got home from work because remember the wife texted him saying you have to come home and explain this to the kids. He gets home from work to find the kids crying. How do we know how old the kids are? Not yet. Okay. She's 29. So they can't be more than like elementary school. Sure. Well, it's possible, but unlikely. She told them that mommy had to move out because dad was mad at her. When my son wanted to stay with me,

16:24she told him that he can't. My son put it together that if mommy has to move out because I'm mad at her, and he has to move out too, then I must have been mad at him too. Oh my God, that's so horrible. My daughter was crying because my son was. I don't think she was old enough to understand what was happening. Dark. I feel so bad for these children. I know. Like obviously the cheating is awful, but like the worst victims here are the kids. And I also want to bring it back to Reddit. The original poster is like really pouring is heart out. Like this is a long post. Well, this is why I love Reddit. Yeah. People do feel safe to just like share very intimate details. What I love about this, this was before chat GPT. All of these are. And these people are excellent. I'm like English majors, something. Yeah, I mean, this is good. Yeah. So in reference to the daughter crying too, because my son was crying, I didn't think she was old enough. Original poster says it was in that moment I realized she was going to drag the kids through hell if I left her.

17:26So I swallowed my feelings and begged her to stay. That's so interesting, because then it's like she has the power again. She has the power this whole time. Because people like this marry empaths. Yeah. And then they completely control them. Like, so you're leaving me, so you devastated, you ruined our kids' lives. Yeah. So then suddenly he's begging her not to leave him when he's done nothing wrong. It's honestly impressive, but terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. So, begged her to stay. She, my wife agreed and insisted that I apologize to our neighbor. What? My wife insisted I apologize to our neighbor since we were still going to need to hang out with them. Because our sons are good friends. Move. I would move. Yeah. I would be out. I'd be out. I'd like to think I would, but maybe I can be minute, I don't know. Oh, I can be a minute-related. I've done weird shit because the partner is, yeah. So I've stayed through really weird stuff.

18:26Okay. Anyways, it can happen to the best of us. So, wife says we're still going to need to hang out with the neighbor, the sons are good friends. Original poster says I hate it, but I do it anyway. So, we still hang out with them from time to time and they come to our very spurt day and holiday parties. You can also be neighbors with someone and not invite them to things. You can also hate your neighbors. I see people on TikTok doing it all the time, calling the cops on their neighbors, hating their neighbors, putting up signs about hating, like, hate your neighbor. The fact that he's still coming to things makes me think that their relationship is not over. Well, that's that intuition of your Sabrina. You're probably spot out. I always know when a partner's cheating. 100%. So, original poster says I do anything for my kids and I behave civilly every time. He says things die down for a while. I still think about it constantly. I worry how can I keep from making her so unhappy that she cheats on me again. Then almost a year later, after the original incident around Father's Day again, she sent him pictures again,

19:29the neighbor. Oh, so he still has the antithect. They on his phone? He knows somehow. But wouldn't you keep it on the phone? For sure. So, she, the wife claims it was an accident and that she meant to send them to me instead. Whoops. I don't fully believe her, but I move on anyway. Poor guy. Things have been quiet on that front for about four months now, but I still think about it constantly. This is going to sound so stupid, but I feel like I have a part of my brain that can't shut off. That is always thinking. I used to use that to solve programming problems, and it made me very good at my job. But ever since this incident, the only thing it thinks about is her and him. And if I did the right thing, you didn't. Sorry, you didn't. Yeah. But also, he is an impossible, because this is the decision. We were just talking about our childhoods. People who are narcissistic, who are willing to do this to their partners, zero in on people,

20:30who they can pull the strings. Yeah. Who usually have formative childhood experiences, like divorce parents, and then they guilt-trip them about, like, you're going to break up our family, you saw what it did to you. They are so good at manipulating people. But they're also really good at getting you to a place where you've built a relationship and a life that the idea of losing that is almost more devastating than the alternative. The mistakes couldn't be higher. Like, your life in ploting when you have children, like, it's everyone's worst nightmare. No one gets married thinking they're going to get divorced. So actually, I have a friend who's like, I'm going to get divorced three times. I'm like, well, that's a weird thing. She must have done it. She must have done it. She must have done it. Okay, we'll see. I'd like to meet her. We'll circle that. I'm interested. I love quirky personalities. So anyways, original poster continues. My job performance has suffered, and I feel like I haven't gotten sleep in months. I'm afraid that after this much time,

21:31and the fact that I begged for her back to say that I want a divorce now would only make her more vindictive towards my children and I. This is scary because he's scared of her. Totally, and that's why he's staying. He's not staying because he loves her. He's staying because he's scared. So, original poster continues. I just feel like I've put myself so deep in a hole that I can never get back out. I haven't really talked to anyone about this. I don't want to talk to my mom about it because I felt she would treat my wife differently and I didn't need the tooth fighting any more than they already do. I tried talking to one friend about it, but his advice was to put my trust in God, but that was not much solace for me as I am an atheist. You'd think the friend would know that about the different. Okay. It's like if someone was like, yes, go do six-hell marries, Sabrina. Yep. To think on that. Yeah. No shade, but you'd only say that to your friend if you knew they were religious. Yeah. That's not great advice to someone who's like, an atheist.

22:31Help. Yeah. Yeah. Original poster continues. So, I have no clue what to do with my feelings or how to move on from this. Okay. So, you can imagine that was the entire original post. Okay. So, just imagine what the Reddit community did. So, obviously, where are you at with this? What is the most egregious thing the original poster has had to do with it? The wife does not care. No. I believe is still continuing this relationship. And again, I go back to like, I think, I feel bad for the OP, of course. But the children, I just feel so bad that they're in a position where their mother is going to make their lives miserable if the OP does something that's right for him. Yeah. So, here are a couple of comments. Yeah. You're trying to navigate this alone and you should see Council ASAP. I'm surprised they didn't go there. You should have done this months ago. This person is talking about a lawyer. Like, you need to protect yourself, your assets. And the counter continues. Your wife's threats should hold no weight until you can get a professional legal opinion

23:34on your exposure in a divorce. Another poster says this, oh dear God, if I went through this shit, there would be a dead neighbor buried in my backyard. All jokes aside, I feel for you, bro. And I can't fathom how you must have felt over the past 476 days. It seems your wife didn't even feel all that remorseful. She just guilt tripped you into keeping her. Fuck dude, I don't know if I'm in any position to give any advice, but dump that bitch man. Oh, I just, yeah, it's terrible. I also hate that this is a story that makes me, because most of the time, I feel like in true crime and also in relationship, things, it's the man doing something terrible to a woman. Yeah. And the great story is that makes me sympathize with men. But I also do know that that, like this stuff happens and it's terrible. The messed up part is that there are good men out there and they end up with really mean women sometimes.

24:35Yeah. And it's like, obviously, like most of the domestic violence, it's male to female, right? But it's not all like that. And this is abuse. One hundred percent abuse what she's doing. And to see how broken up about it, he is about the kids. She's not agonizing over whether this is going to hurt the kids. She doesn't give a single fuck. She does not care. No, she's scary. And like, here's the thing, like men are fucked up when a woman has that like evil, evil like seed, they're terrifying. I do agree with that. Here's another commenter. I don't know what to say that other people haven't consulted a divorce lawyer. Maybe seek therapy for you and your wife, if she'll agree to it, you sound like a great dad who does not deserve to be shackled to such a manipulative woman. I can't believe she'd put the children in the middle when everything was her fault. Of course, she doesn't think it's her fault. Or she knows it is and is not willing to admit it. At least the blame on him instead. Exactly. Okay. So that's the original post. Yep. Then the original poster comes back with an update.

25:38Okay. Obviously, this post, as you can imagine, gained a ton of traction. Like this was a hugely followed reddit saga. So the update was welcomed. People were like kind of waiting on baited breath about this. So here's what the original poster said. I'm taking your advice. Instead of trying to fix something, she doesn't want to fix. She has refused counseling several times in the past before this even happened. I'm going to get myself and my kids out. It will meet with an attorney next week. Thank you to everyone for helping me see how far I had my head up my ass. I understand why the OP did, though. Everyone wants the same. Like most people want to save their family if they can. And also it's so easy when you're not in the situation yourself to have an opinion or be like, just leave and run away. But when you're in it, it's harder to really see it from a aerial view. 100 percent. I think what a lot of people don't realize, too, is that like our brains, like they won't let it, like it's, it's like love addiction to survival technique.

26:41Yeah. And it's like their defense mechanisms built into like protect ourselves from pain. Yeah. And a lot of people, depending on like whatever weird trauma is shaped you as a person, you're going to want to avoid a painful divorce. So you justify and you're in denial and it takes a long time to process this kind of stuff. Okay. So that's update one. Okay. Are you ready for update two? Because this is really where everything goes. I don't even know where this is going to go. So yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's what you think. I don't even know what I think. So what do you think? I don't know. Like if you were in this situation, like what would you expect the next steps to be? Okay. Well, I have multiple minds here. I can go the like creative writing, dramatic turn. Is this going to be even more true crimey path or the psychological, more straightforward path? Is it going to go more true crimey? Hmm. I, this, it seems like this woman is going to take things to the next level.

27:45Well. And maybe with the neighbor. There's that Sabrina intuition again. Yeah. Oh, my brain goes worse case scenario for like every situation in the world. So I mean, yeah. Okay. Well, it's the horror's persisto. That's why we take it to that level, right? So update two. Yeah. Original poster starts with this. Thank you. I would like to give a heartfelt and sincere thank you for the advice and support. I've received here. No one could have foreseen the tragedy that resulted from me filing for divorce. You guys perform a wonderful service to those in need. And I hope you continue to do so in the future. Is it the wife now? Well, what I want to say is like he, what he says there is like the basis for the show. Like Reddit is like a community town square where you can throw up an issue you're having Yeah. And have a million people weigh in and see what sort of response is resonate with you. And it might like, you know, resonate in a way that you're actually going to respond in a way you wouldn't have before.

28:46Sure. Right. So that's what he's saying here. Thank you. I did it. So after he says that, he posts a link to a news article. The headline is this mother charged with two counts of murder and deaths of her daughter and son. I know. And here I'm sorry. I need a minute. What? Yeah. So here are some excerpts from the article. A mother was charged Friday with two counts of murder after police say she admitted to killing her two young children. According to the probable cause, affidavit, redacted, told the police that her husband was divorcing her and quote, I did not want him taking them. So I stabbed them. The three year old and seven year old were killed by their mother in their bedrooms according to a confession from the woman. This is like the Chris Watts case. I mean, yeah, it's horrible. Have you covered Chris Watts on two girls one guy? Yeah. Cause there's some paranormal aspects too. Oh, I know. Yeah. That was shenan. Yeah. In the TV. You think the shenan in the TV?

29:47Yeah. Or something. Cause there were also like voices of the little girls and like the lights flicker like the room. Yeah. But this is horrible. Yeah. And my annihilators are like next level disturbed and like the most insidious evil perpetrators are. I mean, truly, like anyone who can kill a child is the most monstrous being in the world. Yeah. And I mean, she was willing to drag her children and manipulate her children to try to control her husband. So she didn't really care about them or love them because that's not what loving parents do. Oh, this breaks my heart. I know. It's devastating. The court documents also stated that the seven year old and the three year old had deep lacerations to their necks. And the mother said, I just wanted to die with them. She told the 9-1-1 operator. I just stabbed myself and killed my two children. She also admitted to killing them to a sheriff's deputy who arrived on the scene. So she did try to take her own life too.

30:48But like she says she did. She did. Yeah. They always don't somehow have no problem murdering their children. And they like fumble their own. How convenient. So redacted. The wife was taken to a local hospital to be treated for stab wounds to her neck. Please say she will be formally charged with two counts of murder when she's released. Oh, my God. Quote, I can't imagine the pain and grief that these families are experiencing this morning. One police officer said, please keep these families in your thoughts and prayers. The children's father was sleeping in the basement at the time of the crime. According to court documents, he, the children's father, had filed for divorce on Wednesday, citing an irretrevable breakdown in the marriage as the reason for the divorce. The two had been married since August of 2009. So the original poster, we do know his name, which will reveal now his name's Jason. He had requested custody of the children, visitation, and child support benefits as part of the divorce agreement.

31:50He had also asked that the judge make an equitable division of their property. So he drops us. He says, thank you all for your help. We had no way of knowing how tragically this would end and then post the article in like sort of Reddit goes insane as you can imagine. Yeah. I am at a loss for words. Well, I think it's always like this. You expect things like Reddit and social media to be like a place for gossip and things that could be a lie, maybe not to be taken seriously. And then it's like when it leads into real life, I think it's really stunning for people. Like even you, like you look like you saw ghosts when I told you. No, it's because it's absolute. Like you look like you read the worst case scenario. You look like you're in a cry. No, it's because I'm hard to do. I know. I was picturing maybe attempted to the OP or like something happening to the original poster or I just, I wasn't fathoming about like I just, I personally cannot think about harming children.

32:51So the fact that it ends this way is you don't mean animals. So yeah, like the idea and what's so hard about this is that like the original poster Jason is like pouring his heart out about how to avoid hurting his children. Right. Through this ordeal, but like being afraid of his wife and wanting to get away and then like she know how to get them where it hurt. And that's what's so devastating about this. Like the children were his weak spot, his soft spot. And that's where she got him, which is sick. Truth. So obviously, you know, people who had followed this story from the beginning, they weighed in. One commenter said, I'm thinking of what I can write to you and it all seems a bit pointless. Just another line of texting, sorry, but I don't know what else to do. I'll help in any way I can. Do you need cash? Somewhere to stay. You can get through this. This tragedy didn't quote result from you filing for divorce. This tragedy resulted from a sequence of decisions made by someone else. You had no hand in it and it wouldn't have happened with or without input from you. And you may one day feel yourself lucky that you survived being married to her.

33:56Yeah, I honestly don't know how I would recover from that. Like because it's clear that Jason, the original poster is a very empathetic person. The guilt, even though I think we can all agree, he is at fault 0%. The amount of guilt he will feel for the rest of his life. Well, it'll be it's evident that he will based on the way he expresses it. Exactly. You know, he's obviously like an empathetic person who is putting his children at the forefront, willing to literally live next door to his wife's affair partner and see him at parties to keep his family together for his kids. Here's another one. I remember your original post very well. My heartfelt sympathy on the loss of your two beautiful children. You were doing what you knew was right for the sake of your children. Unfortunately, your effort was thwarted, but don't ever start blaming yourself. Someone else did this, which was an act of cowardice and selfishness. This is actually a great post. I was like, we're getting to like when the good people in Reddit come out.

34:58It's just so raw and real. So listen to this. I remember reading your first post and being tremendously furious at the way you were being treated. I use some tough words that I regret now in hindsight, doubting the legitimacy of your post and hoping to motivate you to get out of a shitty situation. I also ridiculed you for apologizing to her affair partner. I am more sorry than you'll ever know. I didn't mean to kick you while you were down. I had no idea your ex would do what she did. I just want you to know that I'm very, very, very sorry and that you deserve absolutely none of this. None of this is your fault. You deserve so much better. All I can do is apologize for such a horrific loss. Apologize for not being more supportive in your first post. And whatever contribution I can make to your company's GoFundMe page, I will be happy to make and share with others. So obviously like there's some GoFundMe circulating, which I'm sure did pretty well because wouldn't empathetic, sympathetic situation. But what I really like about this is that like it's so easy to make fun of

35:59someone like, especially a man for apologizing to the affair partner, but somewhere in his brain and his subconscious, you know, he knew he was dealing with someone dangerous. And you don't push the buttons of those people unless you absolutely have to. Yeah. So like the commenter who ridicule him, it's super easy to be like, Oh man, like, what are you? A cook? Like you're just going to like let this lady like fuck you over and you're going to like, shake this guy's hand. Like that's really easy. But no one knew the kind of psychopath he was dealing with. And I thought it was really nice that this they apologize. We went out of their way. Yeah. Cause no one knew no one knew that like, it's like, Oh, a fair scandal. No one thinks people are going to die, especially kids. I truly don't know how you continue living your life after that. Like as original poster, like the devastation of something like that. What's crazy that people do all the time and worse? Yeah. Like people lose their children as serial killers. Yeah. People lose everything.

36:59And like what's so fascinating about humans and what's so interesting about being in true crime is like seeing how resilient. How fragile and how resilient. Yeah. I do agree with that. It can be. I just hate that people have to experience that and then go through the rest of their life with that pain. I know. So there's another article here. I'll pull some excerpts from the headline is mum jailed after it's probably daily male article mum jailed after chilling nine and one call over fatally stabbing two children. One has been filed for divorce. And she was given 120 years as a sentence. So the article kind of goes over some of the details, which we were not previously told. So during the call, the woman, the killer, the murderer told the nine and one operator that her children quote are in my daughter's room on the floor. And she is lying down living room, meaning the murderer.

38:00Yeah. She says she left the knife in the bedroom. So she's like so conscious after doing this. Yes. She called nine and one because she was dying. Yeah. She didn't want to die. Yeah. Presumably. I mean, I don't know that for sure, but the way she was trying for help. So the woman, the killer said that her spouse, Jason, the original poster, was asleep downstairs. And when the operator asked her what her husband's condition was, she replied, I don't know. I haven't talked to him. The operator asks what the killer is feeling. She says, I'm tired. I took a lot of anti-histamine benedral. I'm so unwell with this story. I know. Oh, well, she also said here that she called her mother before calling nine and one and the mother told her to call nine and one. Emergency services when they arrived found her children dead at the family home. And this is Darlington, 40 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Did you imagine this taking place in any one area?

39:04There were a couple of things that were said early in the story that made me think like it was not a major city. But I know I wasn't. Well, the small town is of it like my neighbor move. If you're going to be right. Yeah. But maybe in a small town nearby city, like you can ignore your neighbor, you know, like I literally I've been a building and we walk past each other on the stairs. We I'm not sure it just came out my past. But we just don't make eye contact. No, I'm sorry though. Like if I was choosing to save my marriage after I uncovered an affair. If I was to choose to do that, I would not be like ignoring the affair partner on the stairs. That's also really hard to do. Because that would be tormenting me. Yeah. Like every time I'm out of town, like I'd be like, what if they ran into each other at the mailbox? Like, but also like moving to be on it. If they move in the same town, if someone's going to have an affair, they're going to have enough air. Yes. But that kind of temptation right under your nose. You could literally have a fight about like you picking up the wrong thing from the grocery store,

40:07be mad at your partner and run into that you're an old affair partner at the mailbox. Yeah. It's just a recipe for disaster. Yeah. Anyways. The mother of two, you mean the murderer of two gave no statement at the sentencing. And her lawyer said there was no explanation for what you did. Yes, there is. She's a vengeful evil psychopath. That's the explanation. Yeah. But in terms of like explanation and that like makes sense because you can't make sense of something so vile. But just that you're evil and you don't love your children and hurting your husband in revenge was more important to you than their lives. That is the explanation. And that is what her, that is who she is. Like that is her. Yeah. She's evil. Believe it or not, there's another update on my gosh. What? Update number three. I am doing better and I continue to get better every day. I would like that. So good. Yeah. And also it like makes me feel good because like pain is coming at life. Like that's the one sure thing.

41:08And if you can get through this. So let's see what he says. The first thing you may notice is this is being posted from a different account. I deleted my original account as a knee jerk reaction to seeing my Reddit posts in the news. So this whole thing blew up as you can imagine. Because these Reddit posts were the precursor to the horror that you see the trail. Yeah. Yeah. He continues. I guess the first question to answer is how am I doing? And to that I would say I am doing well. I have bad days, but I would think that is to be expected. It is just important that I or anyone going through something continue to use the support of friends and family as well as good coping skills. Not let myself be completely defeated on those bad days. This is someone in therapy. Yes. Very clearly. And hopefully Medicaid. I mean, all the things that you deserve to be doing and should be doing, should you experience a trauma, this horrific? Yeah. He continues. I won't lie.

42:08I struggled to get back to where I am for some time. I refused to sleep because of a combination of fear of what I would wake up to and nightmares about that night. Oh, also like the guilt of being in the basement while it's happening. I can't even fathom. Just the guilt of doing this for your children because you're afraid for their well-being. And then her doing this to take them from you is just like unthinkable. They continue original poster for a time I used alcohol to sleep, but my family loved me enough to take it from me before it became a damaging and permanent habit. Love that. I'm like so happy to hear they have a good support system. I was hospitalized because I did have thoughts of self harm because I missed my children so much. From that I learned that you should never be ashamed of your mental health and not seeking treatment will only make it worse, not better. I agree with that. Yeah. We have all heard it. But if you or a loved one is struggling to seek immediate assistance, your life is too important to throw away in a moment of weakness.

43:10It's not weakness though. It's despair. Yeah. You know, you're not weak. If you struggle with mental help, you're not weak. If you struggle with self harm, you're into spare and it's a chemical disease. Okay. By putting off treatment, I only caused everything else in my life to suffer. I lost my job and I became reclusive to the house. But don't worry, I have been back to work since December and I have nearly regained my former position in salary. So am good and require no assistance because this is people offering like to donate and to help him. And you say, no, I think I'm good, which is like amazing. And the second question that he says he was getting would be, how do I feel about the sentencing of his former wife, right? That is something that is harder to answer because no matter what the sentence, nothing will bring back my beloved children. Do I think she should have gotten the death penalty, which Indiana has? No, I do not. She wanted to die. And after nine years of giving her what she wanted when she wanted it, I was not going to give her another thing.

44:13I do agree with that take prison is way worse than death. Death is peaceful. And then now she has to spend every single day facing what she has done. And also like prison is not kind child killers, whether you're a woman or a man. I agree. So now you're a child killer in prison for life. Yeah. People don't like you. Yeah. Original poster continues. Do I think the life sentence will have any appreciable effect on her? This guy is a great vocabulary. It really does. Appreciable. Yeah. I don't know. A pathetic. Yeah. Yeah. Probably an English major or something. He says, I don't know. One thing she always stressed for the entire time that I knew her was that she lived her life without any regrets. Yeah. Going back to that, which I fascinated by in the beginning. Yeah. Amazing bookend. Even after I caught her cheating on me, she continued to say, I have no regrets. As for the X in-laws, they continue to be a problem to this day. What? Brace yourself. Oh, no. I forgot about this. Oh.

45:14I don't know if I have any more bracing left inside of me. You'll honestly see where she came from. OK. As for the X in-laws, they continue to be a problem to this day. Shortly after everything happened, they changed the locks on the home. I was renting from them with my property still inside. After trying to civilly negotiate, they returned to my property. It was required that it involved law enforcement. It's an ongoing legal battle, but that's not even the bad part. They continue to make visiting my children's grave difficult. What? During the one-year anniversary, they sat in their truck and just watched me the whole time while I was visiting the grave. Because of that, I don't visit the grave as often as I would like to. Why do people like this exist? I don't, I hate it so much. Well, and it's like chicken or egg. Like, are the parents the reason why she's the way she is? Or is she manipulating them from behind bars to blame him for everything that happened? So they're trying to fulfill her wishes of like tormenting him. I don't know.

46:14True, but he continues. If I can't impart on you something I've learned through all this, it is that you should always take the time to be with the ones you love. Doesn't matter if they're asking you to read the Pokey little puppy for the millions time or asking you to play Smash Brothers, even when you both know, they will wipe the floor with you every time. Just do it because you never know what time will be the last time. Always make sure they know how much you love them. And he leaves us with this. I had the fortune that the last thing my children ever heard me say was, I love you and good night. I will see you in the morning. I wish I had a happier ending here, but the happy ending is is after grief and trauma that is so unthinkable that like you think you can't go on. He is. And that is the best revenge that he can impart on his ex who is in jail. She wanted him to suffer. And the appropriate thing is that he's not.

47:17Yeah. In grief over the definition of his. Because grief is lifelong, right? The could of what a shed of the imagining how they would have turned out. Like that is horrible. But that doesn't need to be his whole life. And it's not. Yeah. And not letting it break him is what she and prison deserves. Because you know that drives her crazy. Totally. That is the sentence she deserves. Yeah. There's like a party. Me that just is so curious what the neighbors perspective on all this is. If they're decent people, they live not that they should. Yeah. Because adultery, depending on your school of thought, like, infidelity adultery, like, it is what it is. Yeah. It's like the moral sort of like spectrum with that depends on the person. Right. I mean, I don't really believe in like good or evil based. Those are religious words. Those aren't words for like moral certainty.

48:17Yeah. And like they shouldn't feel guilty for the deaths of the children. You know, they should feel guilty for the adultery. For sure. Because it put a wedge in this family. But yeah, I have a feeling. Had anything gone awry in this marriage. This she would have gone down that path. She was on nuclear. I mean, it almost it felt like also the neighbor was like convenient. Like he was 51. She was 29 and he was also the neighbor, right? So like it could have been any neighbor. And it probably would have happened. She was unhappy. Any guy. Yeah. I have no words. I'm really truly that's so devastated. I know. It's insane. But like this was probably historically one of the most like mainstream crimes that ever really appeared on Reddit. And you can see why. I mean, it takes you on an emotional roller coaster. And like his resilience, I think, especially is why he didn't let the bad guys win. Yeah, which is the good. Good moral. It's somewhat uplifting ending to the story where there is no happiness.

49:18Well, there's life on the other side of pain. You know, they're just beautiful sentiment. Yeah, there is. Yeah. And this is, I mean, we're only an episode four, which is shocking because I feel like we've been doing this for like 10 years. I know. Yeah. But like I'm so excited for next week. Oh, next week's next week does not have any murders. So yay for that. But there are some truly disturbing stories that I'm so excited to get your opinion on. I don't know. There was slug murder last last week. And you said there was no murder. So I promise there are no slug murder or human murder is next week. Amazing. Yeah. So with that, we'll be next week. And thank you so much for joining us for crimes of reddits, a crime house original here at crime house. We want to thank each and every one of you for your support. If you like what you heard today, reach out on all social media at crime house. And don't forget to rate review and follow crimes of reddit wherever you get your

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