Reddit’s Creepiest Crime Stories

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1:04Welcome back to Crime's of Reddit. Hello. This week we've each pulled stories from Reddit. The most incredible ones you can find. We did it. The theme for this week's episode. They're just the creeps. People who give us the creeps. We also have a story pulled from you guys on our sub-reddit at the very end. Honestly, I'm impressed with how active our sub-reddit has been. I'm a little afraid to tell everyone that I have joined. I think we should tell people we've joined because then they'll be less mean because they know we're participating and seeing all of the comments. I have to say, I had my husband read it first. I was like, can you read it to make sure there's nothing that's going to send me into a spiral right now? If you want to be mean about us, create a different sub-reddit and do it there where we're not reading it. Yeah, call it. We hate crimes of Reddit. Pod. Don't worry, maybe just be nice to people. If you don't like listening, go listen to something else. I don't know. This is Reddit. It's not like. No, but this right here is a beautiful community of butterflies and ponies and raspberries

2:07and now I'm thinking of raspberries and cream. I can take the criticism, make the sub-reddit. I read everything I have to. You do? Yeah, I can't help it. I'm sick in the head. The sickness is a sickness. But we are really excited about how engaged you all are in the comments of our YouTube videos on social media and also on the sub-reddit. So please keep sharing stories and confessing things to us. Yeah, because really it's working because we are sharing one of your stories today. Yeah. We also, we were just talking during our lunch break today about how we want to do like a theme of an episode where it's like crazy interactions with celebrities. So blind items. Yeah. What's the line from Mean Girls? The limit is not exist. The limit does not exist. Wow. All right. Good thing you're starting first because I think I need a minute for my brain to catch up to my mouth. No, we did just a little rest.

3:08And I haven't heard the stories that Alexis has for today. And Alexis has not heard the stories or read the stories that I have for today. So we're going to be reacting blind to one another and asking all the questions that maybe you're asking while listening at home or while you're driving wherever you're driving to. Hell yeah. Can we do it? Let's do it. Before we get into the first story, we do want to give a content warning. There are mentions of sexual harassment, possible stalking and obsessive behavior. So be advised. Let's get into our first story. You ready? Yeah. What do you have? We're talking about creeps. Yes. People in our lives walking among us. The weirdos. They're way more than I would like there to be. I know. So we're talking about some big ones today. So would I be the asshole for telling my sister about her husband's creepy as fuck novel about me? What? Yeah. Okay. Original poster says this. I made a new throwaway account to post this because I'm wildly conflicted.

4:11So you know what's going to be good when they had to make a sock puppet read it just a secret secret read it again. Right. Yeah. Back story. My sister, four years younger than me and her husband have been married for about two years together for five. My now brother-in-law and I dated during high school and it ended under circumstances that were not ideal. Wait, that's already a weird situation. Those two gals with sisters. Yeah. With this ever happening. Literally never. Literally never. Never. I wouldn't even date someone my sister like winked at. Right. But in this situation, the original poster dated the man first. And to say that things didn't end well makes me feel like the sister should not have dated this guy. No. If things didn't end well. Wait, this just brought up my, well, my very first boyfriend, his name is Guido. That's right. Yeah. And the way he asked me out, this is not the story I wanted to tell, but it just, my,

5:13the way he asked me out was he sent a friend to come ask if I was Italian. And if, because I said yes, then he was like, okay, do you want to date Guido? Anyway, that's you Italian. I am Italian, but not a lot. Well, my mom would like to say I'm 50% because she's 100%, but I'm like 32%. Okay. But the story I was going to say is my first like real boyfriend in sixth grade Dylan. I made a Dylan. Dylan. Literally over her like so out of like a movie, over her to him at his locker, our locker's a renex to each other. My locker door was open so he didn't know I was there. Her to him telling his friends he was literally only dating me to get to my sister. Yeah. Cruel. Yeah. And I haven't had a healthy relationship since, you know, those formative years. Yeah. But my sister never dated him and would never have dated him. No. Yeah. Delusional Dylan. Anyways, brother and law and I have not gotten along since he and my sister got together. My sister essentially believes I'm jealous of her for marrying my quote one who got away.

6:17parentheses. He is not that. So our relationship, meaning original poster and sisters has also suffered as a result. Well, it sounds like they already had a strained relationship. You'd have to do something like this. Yeah. Yeah. This whole situation is already fucked up. And yes, I'm pretty sure it's putting my therapist's kid through college, but that's not the problem right now. Recently, brother and law has begun reaching out to me more frequently. I've been very cautious, but after talking it over with people in my own life, chose to be more friendly toward him as part of an attempt at repairing certain aspects of my relationship with the entire family. Okay. So if I'm reading between the lines here, it sounds like this rift with the brother and law and sister has caused a wider rift in the broader family, which sucks. It does suck. Last week, brother and law asked if I would read a book he'd written with the underlying implication that I would help him career wise with his aspirations as a writer out of politeness and curiosity. I said sure, thinking I would perhaps get a good laugh out of it and a story to tell

7:21my publishing friends the book. Okay. That makes it seem like he, okay, because I was like, why would he ask her? But if she has publishing friends, I could see why it doesn't feel weird. Yeah. That he's asking her to read a book. Yeah. The book is about us, meaning original poster and brother and law. I don't know how else to put it. It's a quote domestic thriller. So think gone girl, you, etc. About a man who realizes he is married the wrong sister, air quotes and becomes obsessed with his sister and law. It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. It doesn't exactly read like a manifesto, more like something you'd see on the subreddit, men writing women. But aspects of the story were deeply unsettling to me personally, touching on things that happened to me in high school and later. And I don't understand why he would give this to me to read. Unless he wanted to either creep me out or as in the story, he intends to leave my sister and wanted to see if this would ellipses Jesus.

8:21It's too weird to say. Open a door with me. Question mark. I know. Insidious, really. Yeah, this is messy. I, why not just have your sister read the book, right? Be like, hey, sis, can I see what your husband's writing? Is that an update? Well, she talks through that possibility. Okay. She says this, here's how I'm conflicted. People have always used art as a form of cathartic healing. If a stranger hinted me this book, I'd just say not my taste and move on. That said, this is my sister's husband. And I found certain elements so skin crawlingly uncomfortable that I almost didn't finish it. I can't believe she even fucking wrote it. I really can't. I really can't. Kira also kills the cat. I'm the cat. I guess. I just don't have the attention span for something like that. I also think part of me would be like, I can't read to read how terribly this is. If you hated someone, it would be fun to read something that I felt bad it is. Yeah.

9:21But also said, this is my sister's husband and I'm afraid based on the past that if I tell her about this, she will flip out on me and not him. And or if she confronts him, will he just lie about this whole thing? And on the off chance that it's more than just tasteless catharsis, I don't want my sister to get turned into a skin suit. Meaning like, she's worried that this could potentially, like she's worried something bigger is that play here? That there's like a real disturbance with this guy because I'm like, that's a leap. Because it would be one thing if he wrote this book and it is like a catharsis or just an expression of, oh, I thought, a thought exercise of like, what if? And then he never shared it with anyone. But the fact that he asked original poster to read it feels very, very intentional and hey, nudge nudge, hint, hint, I like you. I want to be with you. Right. Right. So original poster went to dinner and came back and made a post and said, wow, I came

10:27back to a lot more replies than when I left. I'm figuring out a way to move forward right now. Thanks to everyone who's commented, I've read them all. So let's go through some of these comments because people bring up some interesting points. Okay. One commenter says, I don't have a judgment here, but have you thought about asking him if your sister's read it or asking her? Yeah. If she reads it and doesn't feel weird about it, or if he isn't bothered by the idea of you and her talking about it, then I would feel a little more confident that you're reading too far into these coincidences. This girl is not reading into these coincidences. I agree. But I do think that the commenter has makes a good point because if he is singling her out and she's the only one who has read it, it does feel more purposeful, whereas like he's hiding it. He has had his wife, her sister read it. It feels like he's not really hiding it. 100%. I just like, people, especially adults are always saying like they didn't mean it like that or you're reading too into it.

11:28People are not stupid. People know exactly. Some people are stupid. Even stupid people in a situation like this would know exactly what they're doing. If they did it in high school and he has personal knowledge of her, traumatic things that happen her and he's put that in this book, it's to provoke her in some way. It's to do something. I just don't believe anything like that's innocent. Now, one, Redditor had a very interesting idea for how to cover her ass if she wanted to talk to the sister about it and if they tried to flip it on her. Which I thought was just interesting. So the user wrote, write her a letter and date it, but don't give it to her. Also save this Reddit post. If in the future she does find out and decides to go ape shit on you and thinks your reason for defending yourself staying quiet isn't believable. Show her this post, give her the letter. This covers your ass and shows that you've been feeling the exact way since the moment he handed you the book. Yeah, but I understand that. But I feel like if the sister were to get pissed off, she's just going to be pissed off. Your sister doesn't like you.

12:28She married your ex who it didn't end well. There's drama there that we don't know about. Yeah. So another suggestion from a commenter was why not ask them to dinner and talk to them both about the book then. That way he can't twist things when your sister confronts him. That's assuming that things are in a good enough place that she'd go to dinner with you. As a outsider, I love the idea of an awkward dinner for other people. So I like this idea. I wouldn't do it. But I hate awkward situations. I personally would not do it. I hate confrontation. Yeah. I know. But that's why I'm saying as an outsider, like I would love to be sitting at the table next to them, listening in. Yeah, absolutely. Now here's another one. As weird and tough as this whole situation is, your sister probably deserves to know that her husband is probably planning on leaving her or at least no longer really in love with her. And regardless of how strange your relationship with her is, I want to believe she'll be on your side. If you make it clear how uncomfortable, disgusted you are. And even if she didn't understand, the relationship's already strained.

13:28So why not just be open and be like, Hey, this happened. I might be reading into it, but I feel like I need to express how I'm feeling about it to you because you have a right to know. And if your sister gets pissed off at you, at least she then has the information. Yeah. And at one point, the original poster does like explain the book and it is really dark. It is really, really dark. Like what happens? I think she's really downplaying the idea that he just like brought up some personal things from high school. So in the story, the brother-in-law character attempts to leave my sister for me in a fit of rage sister either accidentally kills or purposely murders me. It wasn't really clear. And so we begin trying to arrange the same very specific traumatic incident I went through as a teenager to happen to the sister in hopes that it will make her psychologically become me, the sister he really wants. So basically, whoa, the sister being left murders the sister the husband really wants. And the husband's like, Okay, I only have this sister left.

14:30So I'm going to traumatize her the same way that the one I wanted was so that she becomes like the one I wanted. Is it bad that I would totally read that book? It's kind of creative. It's fucked up. But it's like, it's really dark. It's really dark. And it's like, in a weird way, the subtext is like, I want her to be like you. She continues and says, it's psychological torture porn, basically. It's fucking creepy, not least because it's written from a completely uncredical POV without much room for interpretation. The psycho is the hero. In the end, he succeeds. It's pretty dark and was unbelievably unsettling to read. Do I think this is something he'd do in real life? I mean, unlikely, the whole plot is preposterous. It's lifetime movie quality. If the lifetime movie were written and directed by Ramsay Bolton. It honestly crossed my mind that the whole thing might have been an elaborate troll attempt to freak me out because it literally uses my personal source of trauma as a plot device. But 150,000 words is a massive amount of effort to troll someone. I mean, either way, it is invasive for sure using what actually did happen to her that

15:34he knows is traumatic and then forcing her to read it is mean-spirited. Yeah. And as a result, because people, I think she really undersold how weird it was in her original post. And the comments really reflect that. One commenter says, holy shit, give her the book, tell your media circle, tell your parents, get security cameras. That's really strange. And also stop communicating with him at all. I totally disagree with everyone telling you to give him feedback or ask him about it. People are saying, yikes, yikes, I just physically backed away from my monitor. The fact that he asked you to read it suggests that he's wanting to creep you out or at least get some sort of reaction from you. Yeah, I don't like him. It's really weird because it's like it's weaponizing intimate information he had from when they were in a relationship. It's secretive behind his wife's back. It's driving the wedge between these two siblings in a rift already, deeper. It's all very insidious. And being framed as something like, I want feedback on my book, it's a lot darker than

16:38that. Is there any update as to where, like, do we have a current update? Do we know where they are? Everybody asked, please update us, please update us, please update us. But let's see. No, yeah, no updates after that. Damn. Which isn't good. And people were begging, begging for updates. That's what I didn't say. She did say this was a throw away. Reddit account because she didn't want anyone in a real circle like seeing this. And honestly, it's like she could have just backed away from this. Like, it's a traumatic situation. Yeah. Or maybe she's lurking on the responses from her real Reddit account. Fair. Yeah. That's the hard thing with Reddit is that we sometimes are just left with cliffhangers. Yeah. And it's like, that was like our friend and now we're never going to talk to him again. Maybe she'll listen to this episode and create a new burner account and give us an update on our subreddit. Yeah. And I just think it's just incredibly sad. And it's like, I like to think that no matter what happened to my sister, I'd know how to fix the relationship.

17:40Yeah. But I remember that not everyone, you know, is like me or like you with their siblings. Like, I would never let it get that bad. Right. But yeah, there's definitely stuff that predates this post that we don't know about in their relationship. And honestly, original poster, it's like she might not have had the choice. Like her sister might have done this in betrayter and that's that. And it sounds like, you know, in these families, it sounds like the family might have taken the married sister's side. And often the healthy person is considered the black sheep. Because like people and dysfunctional families don't want it called out. They want to just live in their dysfunction. Yes, they don't want to deal. Bummer. Well, that is a creepy story. Yeah. All right. Are you ready for the next story? Yes. Creep me out, baby. Great. You know what I did recently? I went through my closet and I was getting rid of things. And I realized all of the staples that I'm keeping are from quince. Yeah, I mean, I have completely made a capsule wardrobe because all of the basics, like

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19:43That's quince q-u-i-n-c-e.com slash crimes of. This creep also hides behind like innocent messages. I'm at the asshole for exposing my cousin's creepy husband to my entire family and this was originally posted in 2022. I, 22 female, met my cousin's husband. So cousin is 24, female husband is 26 male. Last July for their wedding. They live several states away so in addition to meeting him for the first time, it was also the first time I had seen my cousin in a few years. I instantly got a bad vibe from him and he made several comments that rubbed me the wrong way. He told me I seemed like a wild child and said he would bet I'm a bad girl at my college. Creepy bad girl. Oh, I can like hear the way that a creepy man says it too. Ooh, so when I hear creepy man, I think older man and I know that's not accurate but

20:43I'm trying to picture like a 27 year old creepy man. Yeah. And did original poster share her age? She's 22. Oh, 26. Not a big age difference. I just can imagine someone close to my age being like, are you a bad girl at my college? Also, it's your cousin's husband. It's someone who you should be on a amicable friend basis who is crossing a line and being flirtatious and that's what makes it creepy. Yeah. It's crossing a line. Since meeting him, he has followed me on Instagram and sporadically sends me reels which I don't open. He comments odd things on my posts like, looking good cousin thumbs up emoji. He even DM'd me once saying, hey, I'll be in your state this weekend on business, LOL, which I never opened or responded to either. All of this definitely creeped me out but I didn't feel like I could say anything about it because my cousin and I aren't close and I've always felt like she looks down on me because she's a devout Christian and I am not. So already.

21:46This is saying this is someone trying to cross the line. I'm trying to understand like the cousin looking down on original poster but not on her husband for saying things like bad, gallant college. I feel like she doesn't know. Okay. Fast forward to this week. One of those fake accounts on Instagram popped up with some of my pictures and this fake account was asking money for x-rated pictures. It was like a bot or someone stealing her photos trying to scam people for money. The bio was in broken English. The pictures were poorly cropped screenshots of my two most recent posts and the cash app was a random string of numbers and letters. The account just looked very fake and many of my friends send it to me and reported the account. Of course, the one person who apparently fell for this scam was my cousin's husband. I then got a very long nasty DM from my cousin telling me she had been very tolerant of my sinful lifestyle, whatever that means, but that this time I had gone too far.

22:50She said she didn't care that we were family and so long as I was posing a threat to her marriage, I was no longer welcome in their lives. I calmly and politely responded that this account was not me that I had reported the account to Instagram to be taken down and I apologized for the apparent disruption to her day. She responded that she didn't believe me and said that she pities me for having such low self esteem and would keep me in her prayers. I'd be like, I'm good, keep me out of the prayers. Yeah. I lost it at this point. I called her stupid for falling for an account that was so obviously fake and said that her husband was clearly a creep and it's embarrassing she even married him. I then sent screenshots of the months of DMs from him that I never responded to and concluded by saying, if your marriage is so easily threatened, get a divorce, don't take your insecurities out on me. Shortly after that, I got angry phone calls from my mom and my grandma saying my cousin made an honest mistake and that my response to her was cruel and unjustified because apparently my cousin showed everyone our messages and is humiliated by what I said, which if you're

23:54humiliated by it, stop showing the messages to people. You started it? Yeah. My sinful lifestyle. My mom is worried our relationship with that side of the family is now permanently damaged and that now I may not be welcome at future family gatherings because my grandma doesn't want the drama. I really don't feel like my response was that out of line but since no one else agrees with me, I'm not so sure. So am I the asshole? No, not at all. Literally not at all and I feel really bad that you have family members like this. In the fact that anyone would not see this for what it is. Like a creepy dude stirring the pot. Why are these two women bickering when it's this guy's fault? That's my biggest thing is why is this husband not being reprimanded for the fact that he was actively trying to buy naked photos of his wife's cousin? Yeah. Yeah. And the wife is embarrassed and you know, it's like you just got married. You're this like pious religious person.

24:55No shade to religious people at all but this isn't how you communicate with people and it's like I can understand how you would be embarrassed being like I'm supposed to know better. I'm supposed to be with like a great guy because I'm so religious and not sinful and it's very it's very frustrating that the people are taking her cousin's side because to email her for message her first and insult her. It's like how her slept basically be like I can't believe you're selling for a liar. Yeah. It's like and then when she's pushed to the point where she reacts she was provoked. Yeah. Correct. Then it's her fault. Tell Graham on the truth that that other cousin won't be going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like this is one of the situations where sometimes a person who's the loudest ends up being empathized with the most when it it's because they're so loud and because they're making such a stir about it. Whereas the original poster seems to be like reacting and not making everyone not getting

25:55everyone else involved in it. Yeah. But so the comments are kind of agreeing with what we said. No one saying anything about how the husband tried to get pictures of you or tried to hit you up. You were not the asshole. Good red ends. Original poster said I had a feeling he only told my cousin because he tried to cash app the account and got nothing. Could be wrong though. And so this is that was a question I had and I don't think the original poster has an answer necessarily but why would the husband of the cousin confess that or did the cousin find it? I was wondering that too because I was going to be like how do you know that he was the only person who felt for the scam. And less like what if he hit up? What if he hit up because and he has a crush on and was like where's my pictures? Right. Like I sent you money. Where's my pictures? Yeah. And then she's like what the hell? Yeah. I'm just wondering and we don't have this answer but I'm not sure. I'm not sure the husband and the cousin like share a bank account and there's like 20 charges cash app expenses are like ridiculously expensive and she's like what the heck is

26:59this. And then he's pissed and tells like your cousin scamming me. I don't know. I don't know. You have to be so stupid to admit it. Okay. And then I did like this comment because I do agree. This user said that you're not the asshole. You and your cousin are the victims here. So really neither of you should be blamed for this drama. Your cousin fell for a scam account believing it was yours though she could have listened a little bit more closely when you explained and you didn't ask for all that attention from her husband but they all feel sorry for her because she just found out that she doesn't have a quality man for a husband. I'm really at a loss for why you're being blamed for your honesty here. And if your cousin was so humiliated by what you said, why is she showing the conversation to everyone? I also agree with that. Yeah. She's making it worse. Like yeah. More people now know that your husband's a creep. Yes. So for some reason you're defending him and blaming it all on the cousin who did nothing wrong. Well, you know, it's like they're newlyweds. It's like I could understand being extremely defensive.

27:59And when you are in barris and you're like trying to downplay so that people don't think your husband's in the wrong. Like, you're feeling scared. Can't get hijacked. It's like I don't want to judge her because she's very likely being manipulated by the same husband or gas lit in a very extreme way. So it's hard to judge her. I totally agree that the women are the victims. But, you know, if someone told me that my husband did something, I would never punish them. No. I would never blame them or call them a liar or hold it against them ever. It would be hard because you'd be like hurt and jealous and not jealous, but you'd feel a way, right? Like, oh shit, my husband's attracted. If he, you know, if the person who he hit on came to me, that would hurt. Yeah. And it's not their fault. No. And like they're trying to do the right thing. Also, I'm sorry, but if this man is trying to buy naked photos of your cousin, he is for sure subscribing to so many people's only fans and looking at nude photos all the

29:00freaking time. A hundred percent. Yeah. Like, look at this man's search history. It's not clean. No. Because there was a lot of free shit out there. That's also true. But if he's willing to pay for his cousin, right? Who is he paying for? Unfortunately, we don't have an update really on this story. There was just a lot of comments all agreeing that this husband is the one who's in the wrong. And then I did find, because I, of course, clicked on the user and searched other things. Nine months ago, the same user is dealing with a relationship issue where they posted in relationship advice. Is it normal that my boyfriend wants me to block everyone I have a history with after two weeks of talking? And I don't think that's normal. No. You do sound very beautiful though. It sounds like you've arrived men crazy. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. But how? I hope she figures it out. Me too. Because it's not your fault. You're so, it's a perfect. You're so perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

30:04This is a good one. Great. I mean, they're all good. This is a weird one. Oh, fun. I'm a 28 female. My husband, 28 male, took me to a creepy party. His friend, another 28 male, hosted. And now I feel uncomfortable around his friends, like a swing or party. Maybe worse. What is the creepy party? My husband has this group of friends who he's very close to. They all grew up together and still see each other regularly. They've always been nothing but nice to me. For the entire three years, I've known them. And before this, had never made me feel uncomfortable in any way. On Saturday. It was his friend's birthday. So he invited us to his party. At the party, there was a table full of gross things, like you'd see on a survival show. And these men were paying some girls to eat these things. And they were filming it and laughing at them. This is like torture porn. It gets more interesting. My husband intentionally kept me away from that side of the party. But at one point, I needed to use the restroom and couldn't find him.

31:06So I ended up there, meaning on this weird side of the party. I'm so uncomfortable. When I was there, this random guy came up to me and tried to get me to eat one of the nasty things. He was pretty aggressive about it. One of my husband's friends saw me and told the guy, not her. And they asked me where my husband was and made a joke about how we shouldn't have let me out of his sight. Ew. Why, this is giving like Epstein. It's really weird. Then stuck to me like glue until we found my husband again, at which point he whispered something to my husband and left. I feel so repulsed and creeped out by the whole thing. I literally had a nightmare about the party. It doesn't help that I spoke to one of the girls. And she said she had no idea this was going to happen before she got there. The dilemma I have is that we see them often. We're supposed to see them in like two weeks. But I feel so uncomfortable just at the thought of having to be around them, especially the host. And also, I'm sorry, but if this is the company he's keeping, that says a lot about him as

32:06well. Yeah. And the idea that she sidebarred with one of these women and said that like they didn't know this is going to be happening in fur is that like they were hired and also misled about the context of like what they were being hired for or even just like the first time being invited to a party by these people. We'll see. There's more. Okay. Also, what are they eating? Do we find out? Um, she said this though, I feel like I'm doing a horrible job at explaining it, but the whole thing was extremely creepy. I don't know how to tell my husband that she doesn't want to be around them anymore. Yeah. Those friends are like family to him and I feel like refusing to go will cause tension between us and make him feel like I'm forcing him to choose between me and his friends. And he and she should. Yes. So then after being asked for specifics about what was on the table, original poster says this there were a lot of things, but I noticed live insects, eyeballs, bull testicles, bull testicles smoothies and a pig's uterus.

33:08Where do you purchase that items from different places? I think and why do you know? Well, I think because you can go to a butcher shop and be like, oh, but I really don't know. I mean, I'm assuming you can purchase those things at a butcher shop. I think you can get whatever, but I really don't know. I feel like there should be some restrictions there. Live insects, you can get those at like pet shops because like people feed them to lizards and stuff. Eyeballs, I don't know. I really don't know. So she said this. She's very considerate. I know there are probably places or cultures that eat this. I'm not trying to insult anyone. I'm just saying the thing smelled really badly. I feel like they intentionally made it look as disgusting as possible. I didn't eat any of it. So maybe it tasted better than it looked. I don't think so. It's the circumstances of which this is being presented. It is a bunch of guys paying women and filming them to do it because they're getting a kick out of it. Yeah. It's not because it's part of their culture and it's something they do. Right. And also people were like, well, how do you know what it was?

34:09And she says that they were labeled with different prices listed next to it, meaning like bull testicle, one price. You get this much if you eat it. Pig uterus, you get this much. So this is like a very organized thing. But what really unnerves me about it, all of it does, but filming it is really disgusting because like what are you doing with it? And clearly, this is not original posters like partners first time going to a party like this. This is not, oh, this is the first time we're trying something like this out. They do this on a regular basis. Right. And I think the commenters, a lot of them are really insightful things. So one said, what the hell did I just read? So your husband's close friends dehumanize and humiliate women. They take advantage of women needing money who have less wealth or status than themselves to lure them into this situation. They accidentally mistook you for a woman they were going to demean and bully. And now you're having nightmares.

35:09That, okay, that's such a good point because I've had this conversation with someone I was in a relationship in the past where I was like, the way you treat other women indicates to me that you have no respect for women. And if you feel that way about them, you absolutely cannot actually respect me as a woman. Right. Like, we're all the same. Yeah. Or the fact that you are able to dehumanize or objectify women because you think they're less than, by some superficial standard or like, right. Yeah. That says a lot about how then he views you. Yeah. So another commenter wrote, they're financially abusing and humiliating women and your husband either partakes, enjoys or excuses it. So that's the truth, too. Yeah. So that woman who said she had no idea what she signed up for again, they're being, they're lying. And one user says, so they hired women to be at a party under false pretenses. That's so disgusting. I wouldn't even know how to respond. Oh. Another says sounds like a low-run, eyes wide, shut situation.

36:09And a commenter replied to that, but worse, these guys are specifically abacumiliation and degradation. Yeah. And they want to hurt the women. They also filmed so they can control them later. Right. Like, what is the escalation of this? Control them later or post those to various like porn websites and make money off of them. Right. You know, because like, you can do that. Yeah. And like, then you get paid for the views and all those things. Yeah. So we're ready for the update. Yes and no. But yes. I posted a few months ago about the creepy party my husband's friends hosted. I was supposed to see them two weeks after my original post, but I got out of it. My anxiety was sky high and it made me physically sick. So I had a legitimate reason for skipping the event. It took me a long time before I actually gathered the courage to say anything to my husband about what happened that day, even though he had been asking me multiple times before if I was okay. When I first told him he was super understanding and promised nothing like that would ever happen again. Why do I also feel like the husband was like soft launching this as a let's see how she

37:12reacts because maybe there's even more that he's doing with the group of friends that he wants her to be a part of or red flags everywhere. Yes. Yes. And like, these are lifelong friends. Like, there's no version of this husband, not at least knowing that this is something his friends get into the original poster says while he was upset when I told him I didn't want to be around his friends, he told me understood and he wouldn't force me. Also he already knew what happened with the guy who approached me and asked me to eat a disgusting thing because his friend told him all he would say was that he had handled it and it wouldn't happen again. He continued hanging out with his friends separately and eventually they asked him why I was never around anymore. And also separately meaning is he going to more of these parties now without original poster? Maybe. He told the truth to the friends about why the original poster didn't want to be around them anymore. They did reach out to apologize and justify the party but I never responded to any of

38:12them. Also this is like she spells apologize like she's in Australia or England, the UK. Okay. How do you with an S? With an S. Okay. So I thought that was interesting. I'm like, Australia, it's probably really disgusting things with all the bugs they have there. Things were starting to get better until recently. My in-laws hosted a birthday dinner for my husband. I asked my husband if his friends would be there and he told me, no, it's just going to be family. When we got there, his friends were all there. Ew. I ended up leaving the dinner without telling anyone because I couldn't handle being around them when they were all just trying to act like nothing had happened. I did text my husband when I was in the Uber but he was pissed at me when he got home for leaving the way I did. We had a huge fight and I ended up locking him out of our bedroom because he wouldn't drop it. He's still angry at me over what happened, but I'm pissed at him too. During the fight, he said, I needed to get over what happened and that his friends wouldn't hurt me. He kept telling me I had not hurt that distinction.

39:13Well, actually, one of them would. One of them tried. Tried, you know? And also turning it on to her. Also red flag. This is all that. Yeah, very bad. He kept telling me I had nothing to be worried about because he was right there and he wouldn't let anything bad happen to me. I got really angry at him and asked him, if I had nothing to worry about, like I had nothing to worry about at the party because I was married to him. I asked him, would he still say that if we weren't married or if I would have been fair game to his friends then? Right. He implied I had misunderstood what was happening at the party that I had worked myself up over nothing in that I was being ridiculous. Okay, gaslighting her. Yeah. One commenter gave really great advice that I'm like going to start saying to people who tell me fucked up stuff their partners do. What is it? Let's say your husband took you to this party three years ago when you're first dating. Would you have continued to date him after that? Nope. Nope. And granted, it's harder to get out of a marriage. It's not a, it's not a stuff all you took vows or whatever, but this is a really great point.

40:13But that's why I feel like this is even more manipulated. Like he knows that these parties and what is happening there is wrong, which is why he hid it from her for so long, right? And they continue. If you knew your new boyfriend attended disturbing parties when you first met, would you have kept dating him and eventually married him? Or would you get the fuck out of there as fast as you could and never speak to his friends again or him? One person posted another thing and it relates to sort of what you said about the Epstein thing. Yeah. They said, this is rich people sport, by the way. Like gross. Rich people. And that's the feeling I get to. It's like rich people are so bored by the things that normal people think are great and get them excited. Like they're so bored by everything. And that's why they start having to like humiliate people to get amusement. And not all rich people are like that, but there's enough evidence of it. Yeah. Or it's like even with adrenaline junkies and not to the same extent, but like once you reach this high, you kind of are chasing it and so you keep pushing the boundaries to see what

41:15else you can do because you want that feeling again. Yeah. And I think just the filming of it too, it's like putting any of that on the record is really fucked up for the victims in the situation. So like, what's that movie about the woman who wants to get revenge on the guys who assaulted her and so she puts them in the same situation? Well, there's a TV show about it right now called Furious. Have you seen it? I haven't seen it. Yeah, with Amy Rossum. We're literally into girl who was trafficked when she was little. And one of her friends died like through the trafficking and abuse and she's basically hunting down everyone who is at these like Epstein level parties and murdering them. So she's like a serial killer. It's really interesting and Amy Rossum is playing. Love Amy Rossum. The an FBI agent like working on the case. It also reminds me of the scene in the Odyssey when Cersei is turning the men from pigs back into human form and she's like back to your disguises now because the man form is actually

42:18the disguise. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Damn. Damn. And there's no update as to like, are they together? Did this work out? But honestly, these are young couples, some of these and I'm like, you're 28 and you're already having these problems. It doesn't look good. No, that makes me really sad. It makes me sad too. And I feel like I don't know like legal drug and I don't also, we don't know for sure where this is. But like, I feel like what's happening at these parties has a legal element, especially in places like other countries are a lot more strict than we are with this kind of abusive like content. So yeah, tell us please. It's creating a sting. Sting operation. That's right. We'll Chris Hansen it. Yeah. Are you ready for our last story? Because this is submitted by someone who listens to the show on our subreddit crimes of pod. I'm so excited because this is aspirational. We wanted to tell listener stories. And it's happening already.

43:18And we already have, we have so many stories people are posting on there and don't worry, we will be reading more of them in future episodes. But yeah, brace yourself. I can't wait. This one's wild. It is called my professor tried to kill a student. My pharmacology professor in nursing school tried to kill a former student he had a crush on during my semester. It was crazy. We were a class of mostly naive female nursing students who looked up to this man. We would go up to him and ask questions about our patients during breaks. And one week he was lecturing to us. And the next his picture was on the front page of our local paper. Elliott Kwak somehow wasn't tried for attempted murder. Something lesser. He went to prison, but he's out now and not only does his wife at the time still believe he's innocent, but he's working as a pharmacist in California. It blows my mind. I blame him for having the money and connections to pay good lawyers. This happened in 1996, but fortunately there is still at least one link to the story.

44:22So we found a news article link because that was the post on our separate it. We have the news article link. I also found the appeal, which gave so much detail into the initial crime, but I'll read the news article and then we'll go into like some of the stuff on the appeal. I'm on the edge of my seat. That's crazy. Details are crazy. Yeah. And the fact that he was able to go back and work and live a normal life. And he's still alive. I looked him up. He lives in California. I think he's 74. Okay. So this is the news article. The chief of pharmacology at Kaiser Oakland was described as a lonely man who was obsessed with a walnut creek nurse and tried to murder her after breaking into her house according to grand jury transcripts unsealed yesterday. Elliott Quack 43 had wooed Desley Lawrence for months, giving her presents, driving by her home, asking her for photos, despite her saying she was not interested in a romantic relationship. Lawrence testified during the secret hearing earlier this month. Lawrence said I felt very sorry for Elliott because he seemed shy and lonely.

45:25She said she remained friendly with Quack and had dinner and occasional outings with him. I did enjoy his friendship. But I said, if you want more than that, you need to find somebody else. Lawrence said she thought Quack understood her position, but prosecutors presented witnesses who showed that Quack secretly got a key to Lawrence's house, programmed a garage door opener to get into the garage of her house last winter without her permission. On March 6, Lawrence was awakened at about 3 a.m. by someone strangling her. The assailant was playing a tape recording of someone saying I'm going to kill you. A tape recording. Lawrence said I thought I was dreaming. I thought I'm going to wake up. Lawrence testified saying that her assailant pulled her by her neck onto the floor and straddled her. And then by the time I was on the floor, I thought to myself, my god, this is really happening. Lawrence said she thought the attacker was a drug crazed intruder and she struggled with him, biting his thumb, and then hitting him numerous times with a clock radio and a telephone

46:29before fleeing to a neighbor's house. But instead of a stranger, police discovered Elliott Quack bloody and beaten in Lawrence's bedroom. Quack was admitted to John Muir Medical Center for Treatment and the following day, he told a police guard that he was not trying to hurt Lawrence. Instead, he claimed that he and Lawrence were romantically involved and he had planned a night of kinky sex. I just wanted to have fun. I'm 43 years old and thought it would be fun. Bowers quoted Quack as saying, I said to him, it didn't look like you had too much fun. Quack told Bowers, who's the deputy sheriff, that Lawrence had misunderstood the recording, which he said was from a movie and that it was meant to be funny. I'm going to kill you. He said he planned to tie her up and take photographs of her. And Quack said Lawrence had given him the keys and a garage door opener, but Lawrence denied that. After a two day hearing, grand jurors handed up an indictment charging Quack with attempted murder and burglary.

47:30Quack, who is free on a $2 million property bond, pleaded not guilty Thursday in Contra Costa Superior Court. This is unbelievable. I mean, normally I have thoughts, but I'm just in shock. And so that article says a lot already, but then I found in the appeal because it goes through literally everything about their relationship. So the crime, the attempted murder happened March 6, 1995. He filed for an appeal in 1998, and it shares so much more information. So apparently he brought with him a duffle bag containing a video camera, a polaroid camera, a bottle of whiskey, a piece of wire cut from a coat hanger, a flashlight, a can of topical anesthetic spray, that taped dialogue from Beverly Hills cop two and a condom. Oh, okay. Well, I guess if you're being say like, that's insane, but go on. Also took considerable pains to prevent his identity from being discovered and to ensure that his serratipcious entry would not be detected before he could spring his surprise.

48:33So he wore dark clothing, gloves, and a ski mask and drove a car which Desley had never seen before so that like if she drove past it, she wouldn't be like, oh, that's his car. He parked around the corner from her house, covered the license plate with an old plate he had in his garage. And because Quack knew that Desley had a part time housemate, he also rang the doorbell before entering and breaking into the house to make sure no one was home. After entering the house, he gathered a number of additional items to use in playing out this surprise, including a pillow, which he stuffed in his sweatshirt to make him look fat. He also gathered a large kitchen knife, a martingale, which is a brittle like piece of a question equipment that she kept in her garage. He had a roll of duct tape, a pair of her pantyhose and a pair of her panties. And also, Desley was working until 11 p.m. Sunday night, but unexpectedly ended up working much later. So when he broke into the house and she didn't arrive by 11 p.m., he fell asleep in a spare

49:37bedroom and did not wake up until after 3 a.m. by that time, Desley was home and asleep. So she went home, not knowing that he had a really broken in and was asleep in a spare bedroom. So he was initially charged with attempted murder for the March 6, 1995 attack, first degree burglary for entering the house during the March incident, and first degree burglary for secretly entering the house on February 24 prior to the incident to obtain the key. So his whole appeal was basically, I entered the house temporarily, removed the lock back in February, had a key made, returned that lock back to the house, and then broke in and marched, but he said he didn't permanently steal the lock so there's no theft. The jury did acquit him of attempted murder, but convicted him of the lesser offence of assault by means of force likely to produce great bodily injury. The appeal was denied, but yeah, I looked him up.

50:37He's 74 now, still living in California, and according to our original poster on Reddit, still working as a pharmacist in California. That's insane. It's insane because I would assume even the lesser charge is a felony, so pharmacists can be convicted felons, like that surprises me. No, it's crazy to me. There's so many things you can't do if you're a felon, but apparently you can't even go to Canada. Yeah. Right. But you can mix my medications. Also, I think about how many people he's interacting with, like young people who are going to pick up their prescriptions. He knows all of their information. He knows what medication they're on, their address, like really family members. Yeah. Yeah, it's really disturbing. It just sounds like the kind of crime you don't do once. It really is very similar to like Golden State Killer type shit, what he did with his assaults and his rapes. Had she not been able to bite him and hit him over the head and like physically beat him,

51:42she would have been dead. Well, it's funny. It's like in his head because you know, people are delusional and he's like, if I can get away with this without her knowing who I am, then I don't have to kill her, you know, and I'll have this video of her and I'll have this experience and this fantasy. It's like probably the thinking with the pillow in his shirt to make him look at that. But yeah, had she identified him? At some point, then you would have had to. Right. You know, because she didn't know it was him until the police found him in her bedroom. Just so traumatic. It's unbelievable. Horrible. And like, okay, this, you can't even be nice to somebody without them thinking that like, they're going to do this. Like, have some, like I wanted to be friends, but then she set a boundary so many times and thought he understood unbelievable. That is shocking story yet. Yeah. I think I hear shook. Oh my God. For shook the shells. Thanks for shaking us, Fred, the posters. Wow. That is a story. Yeah. Posted by one of our listeners.

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