Packers Offseason Chat w/ Aaron Nagler!!!

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1:03This is the Packer Day Podcast. What's going on Packers fans? Welcome into an on the episode of the Packer Day Podcast. I'm your host, Adi Hermany. You can follow me on Twitter at AdiHermanNFL. You know my guest, he needs no introduction, but I shall do so anyway, because I'm a gracious host. Aaron, she said TV dedicated to Packers fans, not just in Wisconsin, not just nationwide, but worldwide. How are you doing, my friend? I'm doing well. Yeah, that's a great summation. Indeed, worldwide. And I will say with the teetering kind of on the precipice of possibly having another Packer's international game, hearing from a lot of those fans, like hoping it's here or there, but also hearing from a lot of Wisconsinites, who are like, how can you like having international games? How dare you take away a game at LamboFill? Look, that game is getting away from LamboFill. If the NFL says so, it's happening, whether you want it to or not, best to embrace it, I say.

2:03I am right there with you. If it is international, you go on this time, I'm going to try to go this time again. No matter where it is, I'll be there. All right, I'm going to try to do my best I can as well. So maybe we can meet up there. Have a cheeset TV beer and celebrate. But I do want to give a disclaimer to everyone. We are recording this on Monday, February 23rd. Aaron was gracious enough to take some time out of his schedule at the NFL Combine. This is going to air again about a week from today. The following Monday is my guess right now. But Aaron, we can still talk about things at a very high level. I actually want to talk to you quickly about the Combine. Not what's happening because again, a week from now, it's going to be outdated. But you're attending it. You've attended it in the past. What is sort of the buzz, the atmosphere, what kind of information can you gain? What's your sort of enjoyment of going to the Combine? Well, it's great because you have essentially the entire NFL world in a five to six block radius for a week plus, right? And, you know, the on the record stuff, the content that you create is pretty secondary to the networking aspect of it.

3:03It is a giant NFL convention, essentially. And it's not just the personnel people who are here, but it's also some coaching staffs. It used to be every coaching staff. But now there's a lot more that stay home, including the Packers. But there's agents, there's financial folks. There's all sorts of different kind of prongs of things that you probably wouldn't even consider as far as being connected to the NFL. Whether it's a some last year, I met a gentleman who worked for University of Michigan who was simply here to meet with NFL personnel people and general managers to learn about their day to day operations and the way they work as far as forming a personnel group at the college level, which is obviously something that is occurring more and more now with NIL. So it's that kind of thing. Like, if it's even tangentially connected to the NFL, you'll find some aspect of it here this week. I have got to do it at some points. The whole thing of like networking and leaving my basement to have to talk to people

4:03and everything. It sounds terrible. Talking to people. And face to face. This is this is a safer space. Like just. I'm sure it's a great and at some point, I'm going to definitely have to do it. Maybe next year will be the year. You know, do you get a little whispers, rumors, vibes, buzz? Is there a little bit? I've heard people I heard there's a lot of talk. How much of it is real and how do you start between the real and the not so real? Well, it depends on who you're talking to, obviously. But yes, there's a lot of that that occurs late in the evening at the bars in a local area. Very little of that happens either on the record or in the daytime as it were. And it really depends. I mean, sometimes you talk to agents who a couple years ago, I don't remember. I put out that the Packers had approached Jaya Alexander about a contract extension. I got that sitting at a bar talking to an agent. You know, it's like. You do get, you know, morsels, little things like that. But I will say as things have kind of gotten bigger and bigger with the NFL, turning this into such a big event. Like the fan aspect of it now is really started to take off.

5:05The NFL experience opening the workouts, et cetera. You know, there's a little less of that. Like I think people are a little bit more buttoned up because they're not really kind of confident that, you know, you can have conversations with people you trust and the people you know for a very long time. Like that obviously still occurs. But it's not like there used to be some wild nights here at the combine, you know, coaches, agents just hanging out and being very loose-lipped. That has pretty much gone away at this point. Everything gets corporate. Everything gets bigger. Everything gets a little bit tightened up. And you end up with a dream drive instead of just packers on a pile. 100% correct. I am kidding. It's still good. And I'm excited for it. Hopefully you have a great time. And can gain some of that buzz and knowledge and information and of course share with all of us over at She said TV. What I want to do though is I don't. Everyone is obviously heard, you know, some of the things on She said TV of what they think. Or what you think the Packers should do could do, et cetera. I don't care about any of that, Aaron.

6:05I want to know, I want you to put your Brian Guterkin stat on. I want you to play to him here for a moment. I want you to say what you would like to do. What you would be doing if you had the keys to the car. So I want to start with some potential cuts. We're Sean Gary, Elton Jenkins, Aaron Banks, Nate Hobbs. You've got the knife, my friend. What kind of cutting are we doing? Nate Hobbs, I keep around. This is just going with that because I was the last one you listed. But I mean, I thought Bill Huber nailed it in his piece when he was talking about the cuts. The potential cuts coming up. And he said, I think he rode in a sentence. Nate Hobbs was injured at the start of the season in the middle of the season and also injured at the end of the season. It's like we don't even know what Nate Hobbs can be in this defense. For any defense, obviously, the defense is switching. We don't know what kind of player he might end up being for the Green Bay Packers. I still think relatively decent possibility that he turns out to be a good investment. I have no problem keeping him around. I think Aaron Banks is a little trickier. I know people have kind of ruminated on the idea of cutting bait

7:08there after a year. I think the Packers invested it in a younger player, as we talk about all the time with Brian, wanting to get guys in for the agency who are kind of hitting that kind of the meat of their career in the NFL, you know, entering their prime, so to speak. Really unfortunate that he got hurt literally the first day the pads came out in training camp. And I don't think he was right for most of the season after that. But again, I think you keep him around. There were certainly some kind of green shoots, if you will, towards the end of the season. Still the play overall, not nearly good enough. But I'm fine bringing him back. The Rashon Gary question is interesting, because I can make a case for wanting to approach Rashon about a restructure, right? And or a straight-out pay cut. I don't know if he's going to be amiable to that. I like the idea of being able to get him back at a more team-friendly number, simply because last year, so much has talked about the lack of sacks, the way it just completely fell off as far as that production.

8:08But you can't look at that tape and see, and deny the fact that that's the best he's played the run, his entire NFL career. Correct. But you don't pay guys the way they're paying him to stop the run, right? Also correct. So I approach him about a pay cut. The one trepidation I have there, I wonder about the effort. And the idea that it's all over the tape and it was really hard to miss. And Rashon has always been a guy who has been insanely high effort, who has been snapped to whistle. Like without question, one of the more high-end motor guys on the team for the entirety of his time in Green Bay until magically suddenly or alarmingly this year where I don't know, that's hard. That for me becomes difficult to double down on that, to bring that kind of effort back. And I mean only Michael Parsons knows for sure, but sure felt like Michael was kind of pointedly, you know, referencing Rashon Gary when he talked about effort to the quarterback

9:08and raised me to the quarterback at his end of year locker speech. So yeah, I don't know, the Rashon one is tricky. I think it makes sense in a completely dispassionate way to say, oh yeah, he's got to take a pay cut or he's gone. But do I even want that kind of element on a team? I don't know, man, that's a coin flip for me. I suspect they'll probably try to get him to take a pay cut. But if it's me, you give me the keys here, I probably just cut bait. Yeah, me and me both. It is interesting. I made a whole discussion a week ago as people are listening to this last night as I recorded this with Jacob Westendorf and Grant Bills of Lake. There is a bizarre world in which, you know, if even takes a little bit of a pay cut, not only that, but if you actually just do a full restructure, you pay him less in 2026 for him to be on the team than if you just cut him, which you get more money. You take, right? Yes, it's not the best way to look at it because you want to look at it long-term as well. But it is sort of interesting. If I were to do the pay cut thing because, as you're mentioning, if you didn't have great effort this last year, and now you go to him and say,

10:09we're paying you less, I can't imagine that's going to motivate him. I think there has to be some sort of performance and sense of... So it's to get back to what you were. Whatever it might be, it's like, hey, we need this if you want this. And again, I doubt he and his, you know, you know, agency probably are a fan of that. And it just feels like a divorce is imminent, but I do think it's a career. That's the other part, right? Like, they have to think whatever's behind door number two is probably more lucrative because they'll probably make a decent amount on the open market if he does get cut, especially since he wouldn't count against team's compensatory formula in that way. And he is a guy who, you know, yes, the sack numbers have been disappointing, but he's put up a lot of decent production in this league and certainly shown that he can play at a high level for a very long time. But yeah, the, again, the effort part of it last season is concerning. The other thing on Micah really quick, you mentioned, you know, maybe the veiled comments. Maybe I just missed it. There's a lot of things that are said throughout the course of the year, but I heard him go on and on

11:09about how he loved LVN as a player and everything. Oh, yeah. And Devante White too. I'm amazing. Devante White is, I never saw. And again, maybe I just missed it. Maybe it was there somewhere. I never saw a similar sort of, you know, you know, poem about Roshan Nareen, how amazing he was playing. So. Mr. Iliad to Roshan Nareen. I know. No, I don't think you're wrong there, man. And, you know, you try not to get two in the weeds with that kind of thing. Like, who knows what's happening behind closed doors. Maybe that just happens to be what was on his mind when reporters asked him or when he was talking about or two whoever. But yeah, it's hard to ignore. You know, it's hard not to note it. Now, I wouldn't make too much of it, but. Certainly. Yeah, it's certainly noticeable. Although I was one of my favorite moments in that aspect was during the playoff game, Lucas Van Ness had made a play. And. And I think I can't remember the exact wording, but I think Mike tweeted out something because he was up there in the press bar, the sky box, whatever. You know, Luke Van Ness put respect on his name. Well, his name is Lucas.

12:09They're. Mark. That's just what you're doing. That's very funny. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Luke Van Ness. Absolutely. Perfect. All right. Let's go to free agency or resigning players, I should say. You're not allowed to resign the league. Well, it's he's gone. So he gone gone. How about Walker Walker, Dobbs, Ryan and Eggbury? Anybody that you're prioritizing or are you just. Say, love you. I think most of them are gone. I think the Packers have done a decent job of making sure the pipeline is full, so to speak. I mean, they're never going to be one for ones, but I think as far as if you are watching Rashid Walker walk out the door, obviously, you drafted Jordan Morgan. He steps in to be your left tackle. That's the idea, right? I think one of the big question marks is, okay, if you do, and I think they will allow Quay Walker to hit the market and he is gone. Are they ready to give Tyron Hopper the keys there in the middle? I, I would have said yes coming off the summer. Hard to watch that final game against the Vikings and get real excited about the idea. But I will say it, but then it's funny because then he comes

13:11in in relief of Cooper when Cooper gets hurt in the playoff game and he actually played pretty well. Okay. So it's only they know, right? If they feel confident, that's another example of a guy in the pipeline. You know, there's, I know the Sean Ryan question is one that I think will probably be kind of batting around right up until the start of free agency. I'm going to be surprised if they reassign them unless they can get him to come back on a very team friendly deal. And look, that's certainly happened before the Packers have kind of been known for this kind of thing. But man, I don't know. I love the fact that he did come in and stabilize the offensive line. So to speak when Elton Jenkins went down. But it's not, let's not get it, you know, twisted here. It's not like he played extremely good football. Correct. He was, it was just as hard to watch at times as Elton was at center. So I think, you know, there's a conversation there simply because what's the alternative? What's your answer? Again, maybe Jacob Monk is the pipeline answer here, though,

14:12that takes a monster leap of faith, at least from the outside looking in. Or maybe there's someone in the draft that they absolutely love, right? I mean, look, they, they drafted Cory Linsley. He started week one had a long career in Green Bay. They drafted Josh Myers. He was their week one starter. Now, he only lasted four years. Certainly wasn't a long term answer in that regard. But that was their plan then. That could be their plan this year. So obviously a lot to play out there. But he's the one where I think him and Enig Bari. I think of the two where there are real conversations because Enig Bari, I think is a really good player. You can't pay everybody. He's going to get money on the open market that the Packers probably aren't going to be willing to spend. So I would suspect, yeah, they'll probably let him test the market and say, if you don't find something you love, you're free to come back. But I think he will get paid. Yeah, I think he's going to get paid somewhere elsewhere as well. You mentioned some of those those names. They they also drafted Royce Newman and Will Whitaker and drafted it and played them here. They did indeed.

15:12Sometimes it goes well. Sometimes it doesn't go quite as well. Although I will say for Royce Newman's illustrious career, the rookie year wasn't actually terrible. You actually played in 2020. It's a dominant offensive line. He was a starter. The majority was part of it. And that's one of the best offenses. The best offense Matt LaFlor has had in Green Bay. Yep. So Royce Newman's a starter. It's just it's a word ending story of like your rosters never perfect. You always have something. The sea hocks rosters not perfect to this past year. They want a Super Bowl. You got to find a way to overcome. They were unbelievable on offense. And Royce Newman was a starting guard the majority of the years. Backers want a Super Bowl with Darren College playing left guard. Let's go. Charlie Pepp Rudd safety. For example, a badge like there. There were some. Sambo. Sambo dot com. For example, dot com. Check it. What what is your one A priority? You there's obviously defense attacker corner offensive line. If again, you're you've got the GM hat. What's the one that you're saying? This is not negotiable. We're fixing this. A number one personal wise is offensive line. Whatever needs to be done. Whatever plans you need to make.

16:12And it's interesting. I had a good chat with Ryan Wood over on GZ TV about kind of the project. Right. That Brian seemingly had last off season trying to make the offensive line go. And. Man pretty much every decision they made along the offensive line was either questionable or a downright dud. Right. From the moment they decided, okay, we're letting Josh Myers walk and we're moving out in Jenkins. We're signing air and banks. Those three decisions right there set kind of the die. The cast, you know, the die was cast and they never really got out from under that. That kind of trickle down of decisions. And. To me, a big part of it comes back to their approach on offense. Now, this is where the conversations and the off season with Matt LaFlure are going to come into play. Because they very clearly changed how they wanted to run the ball when Josh Jacobs got behind center. Right. When he became their lead tail back and they let Aaron Jones go. They went away from a lot of the zone stuff that Jones excelled in and their offensive line excelled in.

17:12And they've gotten to much more kind of power angle trap and things that Jacobs is supposed to be able to do well. Now he's really banged up this year. You guys know that it was hard to watch at times and it was pretty intermittent as far as. Even making anything work in front of him, let alone having places to run, you know, run the daylight. There's no daylight in front of this Packer's offensive line configuration. So to me, so much of what ailed them this past year and probably what could ailed them next year is going to come down to. Well, do you have a functioning offensive line in a way that makes you able to operate on offense the way you want to? Because when you saw this year, Matt LaFour is going to run the ball whether he can or not. Like that is going to happen. So you have got to figure it out and it makes it all the more frustrating when you see a team like the Bears with Packers lost to in the playoffs who had a pretty bad offensive line one year. And then went on a pretty decent sized shopping spree in the off season and essentially fixed their offensive line in one off season.

18:17Well, okay, you've got this off season, you had last off season, you got this off season as well. But man, you cannot operate on offense the way the Packers want to with what they had last season. And certainly as it stands right now, what they're probably going to put out there in 2026. You know, notwithstanding would whatever they might do in the draft. I just, to me, it's hard to see some fixes that makes sense with the way the Packers have traditionally operated. I suspect if they, if they're going to fix their offensive line, they might have to get outside their comfort zone a little bit. Now, do I suspect, do I expect that to happen? No, but that's to me, because look, if you have an offensive line, then you're obviously able to control the line of scrimmage a lot more, you're protecting Jordan love, you can run the ball, you can do a lot more things on offense that you want to do. You're going to score more points, you're going to put this team ahead and you're going to let Micah Parsons and company get out for the quarterback with lead in a way that this team is clearly designed to do.

19:17So to me, like yes, defensive tackle as a need, cornerback is a need. There is no question those are things that they need to address this off season. But to me, if they can get the offensive line right, it may be not fixes or masks, but it takes care of a lot of other problems because you're going to be able to control the game with your offense. Something that to me, that was the entire story of the 2025 season talking about situational ball, whether it's four minutes trying to close out a game. How many games do they have like multi score leads in the second half and they pissed it away because they couldn't operate a four minute offense or end of end of half attempts trying to make something happen and some disaster strikes, what have you. It's to me, it's all about fixing the situational stuff, red zone, being able to actually run the ball in the red zone the way they did. Short years ago, short yardage, like there were so many situational aspects of this team that again, could be maybe not completely fixed, but certainly make it a hell of a lot of easier to operate if their offensive line is fixed.

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22:23All right, that you now have the best quarterback in football when you protect. Awesome. Josh Jacobs is in assassin when he gets any sort of daylight. He doesn't even even need a ton. Just a little bit. And he's unbelievable. All right, awesome. Now you have that. And you already have the weapons. You have Tucker Kraft, Christian White. We know the names. Matthew Golden is going to get. Now all of them are supercharged as well because Jordan is protected. And you have a running game to go along with it. Imagine what the passing game can do if the running game is going. And then you mentioned all the short yardage. People talk about like, why is the red zone fallen off since 2020? Well, 2020, you had Corey Linsley, David Bakhtiari, an unbelievable offensively outside of Royce Newman. But you had unbelievable offensive line. And then you know, isn't he still playing? He had some practice squad time last year. I think he made it into a game or something though, because I remember at the end of this past season, I think I was watching some game and also his name got mentioned. And I was like, what? I couldn't believe it. Maybe I'm Mr. You're back checking as we speak. I've just because I just, I just remember it. And everyone like on Twitter was like, you know, Packard's legend.

23:24He played three snaps in 2024. He did not get in and maybe a couple of years ago. Yeah, I just remember his name. And everybody was like, Royce Newman. He's still in the league. Yeah, he did have some practice squad spots last year, though, that he was still popping around for. So good for him. Yeah, we're in the same thing. The finishing up for the agency. If you were to do the, hey, well, we'll grab an offensive lineman. You know, maybe we take a flyer and a released corner. Maybe we draft a corner and draft it. Like you could maybe do these little, would you rather do the sort of, you know, fix a piece here, fix a piece here, fix a piece here, fix a piece here. Or would you rather do one like, we are fixing this legitimately. Obviously offensive line would be your choice. Would you rather maybe go a little bit more all in on one spot? I'd go in all in on offensive line, but that's just me, right? I doubt they would. And look, the other issue, of course, is like, you got to hit on those selections, whether it is a draft. Sure. You know, or whether it is free agency, which up until last year, I would have been really confident.

24:25The Packers were going to hit in free agency because mostly that's what they've done. And they kind of whiffed on both of the signings of the, you know, predominant signings from last season. But yeah, you got to be, I mean, look no further than wrong wolf, you know, getting torched by Randy Moss. And then his response was drafting three secondary players, you know, one, two, three. That next season only one of them turned out to be worth anything. Yep. As far as Packers concerned. Although one did get traded for I'm on green. For I'm on green. That's right. Yeah. Trade chip. But yeah, so it's like that you've got to hit on whatever you're trying to do. If you do go with that approach, right? That's why I think the Packers kind of always, always, but almost always there on the side of we're just going to, you know, take the quote best player available at a position of need, but the best player available, regardless of, you know, we have maybe a deficit of talent in a room, but we're not going to kind of trying to over correct at that area. Just because there are so many kind of levels to it and aspects to it that, you know, are out of your control when you're signing a guy,

25:29whether you're drafting a guy, et cetera. Yeah. I would be surprised if, you know, multiple assets were used at like premium. Like if you're talking about big money free agents early in the process or drafting in the second and third round with your premium picks, such as they are this year because you don't have a first round pick. I wouldn't be surprised on say like day three if Brian does one of his patented. Okay, we're going to take three corners, you know, he's done the running backs, wide receivers, whatever. Obviously, offensive linemen are always kind of in the mix. So that kind of thing wouldn't surprise me, but it would surprise me if they use like premium assets to try and do it. Makes a ton of sense. I before I get you out of here one last thing had a great conversation with Pete Dirty, which will air a few days before this one. I believe he's amazing. We talked about the mediocrity, the same old packers, the know account of that seems to be sort of one of the buzz topics of the off season so far. Goody's back, Matt is back. Everyone's just complacent. They're good with, you know, just one, you know, an entry into the playoffs to seven seed and then an immediate elimination.

26:34Just your overarching thoughts on the general conversation. I mean, that's entitled town writ large. That's all that is, but I understand it. You know, I say this all the time on my daily chats. It's like I understand that my perspective or someone's perspective who is much younger than myself are going to be very different. But you only live in the now, right? So if all you know is Breffar, Aaron Rogers and now Jordan Love, you're pretty damn spoiled, but you live in this environment where teams are going to the Super Bowl after one or two years with a new coach. And you see that, especially you watch your division rival turn around pretty quickly under a first year head coach. Well, yeah, you get a little impatient. So I understand it. And God knows where we live now as far as a relationship to content, the internet, what have you. It's inundating us, right? Every day, anyone who does work online or consumes content online, you see this stuff over and over and over again all throughout the day, 365 days a year. It does kind of burrow into your consciousness like all the Packers are complacent, but you and I know they're not.

27:39We know that no one is more disappointed and more upset and more frustrated than the people in that building themselves trying to get there, right? Trying to get that Super Bowl championship for the Green Bay Packers. It's just when you don't see some of the activity on the outside. People get upset, people get frustrated, but you know, I, again, I try not to, I've tried to push all that aside and like let people have their little tantrums and that's fine, but I have no issue with the way the Packers operate. And I think they are, they being the Packers are mostly on the right track, you know, like this year, especially is not the year you want to over react to with the way they were coming off that victory against the Bears in Lambo. Leading the AFC's number one seed at their joint and then every injury imaginable striking at the same time. I'm sorry, I just, I don't think that's something you over react to. That's a team that was on a good path. So come back, put it back together, try and, you know, plug a few holes and get right back on the horse and try and go win a championship. That's where I'm at.

28:47It is interesting to think about if you're 25 or under in a Packers fan, the Packers Super Bowl was when you were 10 or under, which you probably don't remember didn't care about at the time or you couldn't really conceptualize it the way that you can when you're all there. You parents were having like a lot of fun and you were like kind of along for the ride. Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, and if you became a fan and you know, anytime since then in the last 15 years, you've experienced a crap ton of playoff heartbreak. And, and no Super Bowl win. So I, if that's your world view is like 2011 through 2025 is if that's your life, man, that's not ideal. It's not great. So you and I have both had two Super Bowls that we've got to, well, three that they've been to two that they've won that we've got to enjoy. If you have not had those or if you were too young to, you know, enjoy it. It's been like a man of Braves fan from back in the day, right? Like just completely every year, postseason, postseason, postseason, but never kind of seal in the deal, right? Or a Bill's fan. Bill's fan you said. It's tough. I saw that's what I mean when I say I get it. I understand the frustration.

29:51But I can only offer my own perspective, which is I remember the 70s and 80s. So I'm more than happy with how they're operating right now. I get it. I understand it's frustrating. But man, I've seen the other side and I prefer where we live right now. I before were, you know, being accused of being goody booty boys is there is there you have to be mad about something. So what is one something that you are legitimately upset about and would like to see the Packers change? I don't they're they're media operations. I mean, come on. Like the Chicago Bears table is over here and it is filled. I wish I could show you filled with people activity tons of cameras lights. They're like here. They're ready to go. The Packers table is over here literally right across from me and there is nobody here. No, there is absolutely no activity. Nothing like they don't care anything about and this is this actually kind of lines back into what we were just talking about because you know as your fan base grows and I know they literally just put out something today about making sure

30:52the the seats the tickets remain in the families and the people who are actually going to the games etc. Well, you know, these kids coming up now the ones you're just talking about. You got to keep them interested. You got to keep them engaged in social media media in general. That's how you're going to do it, especially if you keep breaking their hearts year after year. You better be committed. You better be in the conversations that they're having because otherwise I tell you what. You know, these chunky soup sponsored ads on Packers dot com that ain't going to get it done. You know, I'm saying the invisible line tweets aren't going to hook the youth if you know what I'm saying. So you talk about what I'm mad about. I'm like pissed that they're still like operating as though the Internet is in 2003. That's that's the one thing that kind of drives me nuts. I love it. I appreciate it. I'm with you as well. They've been a little bit better on social media. Social media. It's still has to go through like a laborious process for them just to send out a tweet. And I know I've talked to people who have been in the building and who have worked with that crew and that team.

31:54And the way they operate is it's unbelievably ridiculous. So that needs to change. But yes, social has gotten a little better. Love it. Aaron, I've taken enough of your time. Go enjoy the combine. Tell us all about cheese said TV and anything you want to plug on the way out. Just, you know, talking Packers each and every day to 365 Packers daily on the cheese said TV YouTube channel on live each and every day. Monday through Friday, all year long. It's a lot of fun. Come join us Packers fans worldwide. So what we're all about. They do it the absolute best. Follow them on cheese said TV cannot wait. I know it's going to probably be a bit for the next Packers transplants with you and Corey. We have to start getting, you know, you and Corey in the fan of the year competitions. We got to start getting some petitions going. Nobody needs that. Nobody needs that. I could say I could imagine the eye rolls if we ever got something even close to that. No one, no one needs that in their life. Maybe true, but it would also be deserved. Aaron, I cannot thank you enough. Enjoy the combine. Follow him on social media at Aaron Negler. Of course cheese said TV.com. You can find me at Andy Herman NFL. That's going to do it for us today.

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