More Madeleine McCann Mysteries (Feat. JJ Vance)

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1:01Airbnb located in America of yesterday and Southern Indiana were work I could be actively victim just going out on the nature trails You're with my dog that could be victimized by a fucking lion This ain't Africa folks, this is Indiana Anyhow, welcome back to your folks in the Interwebs Once again your host of Operation GCD JJ Vance right there, not the vice president Car time vampire runner though, mark that down And any, any help Welcome back, we'll be your pilot and navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused journey into the mind of here This here particular garbage can do That's a lot of numerology sir, and I think you might be onto something What we're gonna be talking about tonight Got a real barn burner on deck for y'all tonight The Madeline McCann mysteries And I do find it to be a very likely ritual situation So not to be surprised to find out that numerology there, but we got a Real real barn burner for guests on deck here tonight Coming back here for a very first time ever

2:01Cosmic Pete's Julia, welcome back to Operation GCD for your first time You know, I can't tell you how excited I am for my first time I'm fantastic news Yes, I'm really happy birthday man I'm 47 thank you so much But I do appreciate you joining me here. It's been a while since we've last spoke. I had a bit of a high health I ate this but I'm back Yeah, we did David Wilcox Blue Aviantane David Wilcox Yes, the last time I That was a real barn Yeah, no, I got a lot of good comments on the blue avian taint Episode I appreciated the relative to tonight's discussion I would recently cut up on your Madeline McCann mysteries which I appreciated the title because it really is a mystery You know, it's it's not you know, did she get kidnapped that her parents killer did some German guy

3:02They're now claiming did it. It's all these different mysteries around there, right? Was it the Podesta brothers? That's something I've explored here in the past You know, I have also it's very you know Yeah, it's been I say the Podesta brothers like more of an elite sex trafficking ring But I did appreciate your blue avian uh Go ahead her parents could have been involved I kind of compared the case to John Bane because Her because John Bane's parents were involved in some kind of a larger network. So I mean Madeline's parents Could have been involved in a larger network, but there's so many avenues that we need to explore tonight and we can let the listeners make up their mind what they think But there's a lot of I think that's a great idea because I I wanted to try to kind of mask some of your ideas I like we're brand new rules that because You know, a couple things the comparison to John Bane

4:03I think that's an excellent comparison for multiple reasons. I like to jump into some of those details that Jump to my brain hole when I heard you make that comparison and I'll put a link to your your stuff in the show notes and in this show in particular So I do Do appreciate your time again and discussing these matters because it has been a captivating case that is kind of in engrossed the attention of the entire world since Day one may may third 2007, right? Yeah, and I have my notes pulled up here so we can kind of go at it in a timeline if you want Yeah, I got a bbc timeline to go along with that, but that sounds a great idea Yeah, so I actually got interested in the case because Netflix has a doc you series available for you for anyone to watch and It breaks the case down and talks about the parents it talks about the obviously the vacation all the events leading up to it and afterwards and

5:09After I watched the Netflix doc you series. I knew I had to cover it because like all Netflix doc you series They didn't even get close to You they they didn't even dip their toe in the water. They kind of just like farted near the water Of what could have happened like they didn't even come close to Solve in the case or putting The they look at the parents for about two seconds and then they move right on and they're like awesome Creepy weirdo must have just been stocking the family and it was just an outside intruder It's never an outside intruder people just like when a woman dies And it's usually always a husband When a kid dies it's usually always the parents if she even was real I will say that if she was even real Yeah, and you kind of you kind of ventured into some of that it sounded like with your podcast on the topic

6:10And I you know, I've kind of looked at some of those those arguments that she and orbun John Bane are not real I just You know, I'm willing to entertain a lot of very skits. They're like ideas But as long as there's some evidence I just don't think there's a lot of evidence for that They seem to be real people see that's where I'm my JJ because I went up Against a lot of hate on my John Bane series because a lot of people were saying well She wouldn't even real so why even look into any of this There's more evidence that she was real and something really fucking horrible happened Then that she was not real and I think it's dangerous to teeter the line between as a conspiracy theorist calling everything fake They would love you to think it was fake so you didn't know how horrible The truth actually is because if you knew that and you had to comprehend that this stuff happens to kids every day That'd be a lot harder than thinking all this stuff is just fake and we can just move on with our life because it's all just fake

7:14I that's an excellent point ma'am that's an excellent point because I do think there's a certain aspect back to that that it is going on with a lot of these high profile cases The mudding the water so to speak the varying theories and disputes to go on around these theories that are intentionally introduced into these Interwebs forums, right like these web sleuth forums And so on and so forth and really this case Kind of grew along with those forums the birth of those forums on the interwebs. There was a case I went over last week or recapped some of the stuff relative to the more a Murray case you familiar with that one I haven't looked into it as a parents of a young college student in very mysterious fashion in rural new hamster in February of 2004 now there's a lot more details to that but one thing you were commenting on with the jambanae and the the Malamican cases that you know these high profile cases of missing white curls murdered white curls basically right there's there is there is an argument

8:15We made about how you know, so you know, I'm just I'm saying that I'm trying to connect to that at the previous point of They're not real or not so if you take that down the logical kind of line of thinking if they're generating you know So much of this content anyway making all this money off of the median stuff I mean I understand that isn't arguing to be made is are these victims even real I mean I make that argument all the time in the Idaho for case while they kind of the same aspects going on around that same circumstances and reporting and falsehoods right and all these various theories are to turn about to create disputes in these communities And it really was birth with the interwebs if it wasn't for the interwebs in these communities Some of these cases not only are they white curls or you know white folks And again, there is a certain degree of that with the media's perpetration of of of You know Natalie Holloway as you point out Elizabeth smart other cases Elizabeth smart was actually found So then got some interesting studying comparison to how like the parents react because you were talking about the parents in this situation again You know

9:16There's no there's no shortage of forms blaming the parents in this case oh sure. I mean There was even a guy that I found he's a lawyer In all he does on his YouTube channel is statement analysis and basically he just listens to people's interviews and testimonies and he'll analyze their statements and pick out how they're being deceptive and like show you how bizarre their Like verbages and why would they say it like this or why are they Using this word and and he broke down the mccan's Testimony and he was like there's a lot of stuff here That would that would be considered deceptive so but the same thing could be said about jambanese parents Same thing could be you can tell Just based on like when you see a parent in the news and their kid is really been hacked up and slaughtered by some kind of a satanic ring or some shit

10:17They got the tears and the snop mixed together going in the mouth hole They're distraught they're read in the face and they always devour their partner When the kid dies or goes missing they always get divorced The ones that stay together That should be your first red flag the The Ramsey stayed together And the mccan stayed together After the murder or disappearance of their daughter red flag Number one because in a realistic situation something like this happens Think of it if it was you okay. I didn't mind There's nothing wrong with my son and I couldn't stay with his dad So something like this happens you start blaming the other person Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of resentment for sure Absolutely in the way that this whole story will break it down, but it's like you would Have to blame the other person in this situation because they were taking turns and doing weird stuff about who was watching her and

11:25I could I can't I can't unless they're really right or die and they're hiding something together They would have gotten divorced over this Well, I think I think the comparison that you I don't disagree with you ma'am generally speaking I think those are excellent assessments and And generally speaking you do blend the parents, but you know, there are exceptions to the rules So to speak I do think that this one might be such a case where we see the comparison with John Bane right the the grand jury Uh was recommending the indictment the charges uh to indict John uh john and patsy ramsy for the charges of um Child endangerment basically they introduced their child to a situation that led to her Her death Mm-hmm, right because I think they were in some sort of cold, right and the McCans have the McCans the McCans have actually face accusations of being in a sex cold Yes, and that they were being weird swingers with the uh

12:27other couples that they were on vacation with but before we proceed We should both just take a moment and say rip Dolly Parton's tits and taint Although she may have had yes, she definitely had one but she she may have had a dismembered infant in both of her titties And there are tunnels under Dollywood, but rip rip Yeah, I see a lot of uh, I see a lot of shit character campaigns I do think she's a dark individual is probably a lot to be said about that But see a lot of AI imagery of her and from from numerous accounts her and Sammy Davis Jr Sitting around like a panic ram and shit. I'm just like all right. Well, that makes me think she's even darker than I thought if they're gonna go ahead and send out some AI stuff like that Yeah, I mean she was definitely probably into some stuff. They all are they hide behind the wholesome country Uh facade if you will because oh, she was a country singer

13:28It's a sassy little dolly so she couldn't have been into anything but Sometimes they're the worst of the worst of the worst it was a sheet That's what Colby said You're I mean you genuinely can't tell when they have so much work done Right Right And I made the argument I was like yeah, but her voice she's such a soprano and then I caught myself and I was like so is Michael Jackson We all know you know they can alter this stuff they can do this stuff so But anyways, I just want to say RIP dolly's tits and taint Any of the listeners out there dolly fans you can comment joe lince taint in the comments section man's implants survive in perpetuity Yes archaeologists will find deli part and skeleton fossilized remains hundreds of years from now say look look at those hips. That's a man Look at it. Look we found some some of these uh

14:30Bulgey breast things Oh, those are just water sacks that the men used to carry around on their chest You're right. They'll create yeah, some sort of mythology around it without any knowledge right? All right, but anyways, so let's break this down Madeline McKean If I made real quick, ma'am just one point that I want to make before we get it break things down that you kind of already teed up here And in kind of relation to these these parents, you know, maybe they didn't Merk their own children Right, you know be at the Ramses so the McCans maybe they're just like the like the McCans were identified by a grand I'm sorry the Ramses were identified by a grand jury That they had culpability and endangering their daughter and putting that environment I think the McCans may fall in that exact category Oh one hundred even even not as a conspiracy theorist if you're a normy person looking at this case They should have at least went down for child neglect For sure. Yeah, they had some that's a questionable circumstances around how that how them and all their friends at the Portugal resort

15:35The student you know all day all came from the United Kingdom together how how they were all handling their their children Yeah, it was it's actually appalling that all of them all the friends and the McCans didn't go down for child neglect because once we get into that part of the story it's gonna be like To me as a parent it's ridiculous what they were doing ridiculous But so Madeline McCans my sons and adult now, but when he was that of that age, I would never do some stuff I felt bad looking back checking in them like the daycare on a Disney cruise I'm like but I wasn't you know, I wouldn't be doing Baby sitting with that Disney cruise or something like that No, I would leave in a room on on you know, unattended at the age of four and six years old No, and the thing is um So Madeline McCann is the oldest out of the McCann's children Three at the time and she's got twin siblings that are what one. I think they were one Or two one they were one and she was three about to be four

16:38Yeah, cuz they didn't they didn't have some complications and this was an IVF where the twins were IVFs Yes, so I think you know this all goes as part of like the tragedy part of it and it It makes me Uh, it makes me wonder why they always include this in the documentaries, but they always start off with uh What's the fuck is the mom's name Kate Kate and Jerry couldn't get pregnant and they tried and tried and tried and they just couldn't get pregnant Then finally they got pregnant with Madeline and she was like the their little princess and then they did IVF after Madeline They got pregnant with twins Sean and Emily McCann and So Madeline was three going on four and the twins were like one years old Maybe almost two I don't know and uh they'll decide to go on this vacation they're gonna get a little R&R They're gonna team up with all their elite doctor

17:42friends all upper-class individuals they're all doctors and physicians whatever And uh they go to pride to lose To this it sounds faint it sounds fan through then it looks Yeah, it certainly does but for and especially for doctors you would have think you know they would have chosen a little bit they say it was um a Uh, what did they call it like like a real popular area to go um Yeah, it was I mean there was some wealthy folks there for example Sigmund Freud's great grandson Matthew Freud and his father Clement Freud had a beach house there near near the resort Like in violent frequented area, I guess you'd say I learned I think there was a certain I think I honestly I don't even think it was a certain class of folks in the UK I think there was a certain element of folks from the UK They were in like weird sexual shit

18:45Well, I actually found a lot of proof to back that up about pride to lose specifically because I wanted to know If I was a dog yeah, you know what the town's about right you want to see what the environment is in the town of what now Yes, because if I'm a doctor and I have pretty much unlimited funds to take my family anywhere Why would I pick this specific Resort right specific pride to lose Portugal. Why why am I picking this and then I go from there and I found a lot of stuff about this This city in particular Um, and in this resort They they had a kids club and they had a babysitting service You're the parents who wanted to go Clap cheeks in the middle of the day and didn't want their kids around They could like just drop them off at this kids club or have like a babysitter come into their Uh, their room and watch the kids while the parents went out whatever, but they turned down both of those things for the kids

19:50Right, they didn't accept the babysitting service they turned that down and they They may have done the kids club one or two days they were there Because there's a story about Madeline falling out of like a A paddle boat or something and they she got washed to shore and they were scared she was gonna drown I don't know maybe it was just foreboding, but They they decided after she fell out of the paddle boat that they weren't gonna do the kids club anymore because they They just felt like they weren't watching the kids very good but They so so they set up this elaborate system with their friends That they weren't gonna use the kids club or the babysitting service what they were gonna do Is leave all of their kids in the room Yeah And they were all gonna go down as a friend group they were gonna go down to the resort restaurant called the tapass

20:51They were all gonna go down to the tapass leave their kids sleeping unattended in the room And they were just gonna go check on them every 20 to 30 minutes And this is where shit gets real weird in this story if you have any comments That is the flager see right there, right Oh go ahead my apologies. I'm cutting out of here No, I just said if you had any thoughts on that because this is where it starts to get weird We'll just leave our kids in the room and just go check on them every 20 minutes That's what I yeah, I think it's super weird. I mean it doesn't mean that they were like Setting someone up to come take their kid away. I mean, yeah, I think the ideas open Right That they were they were trading their daughter into some you know like the end of eyes wide shut where Nicole Kettman and Tom Cruise walk away From the with their daughter or whatever being given taking away by them them dudes, right And it's just think think think of this okay because they went in shifts

21:52They would send like one of the friends to go check on the kids and then They would come back and then 20 minutes later like the dad Jerry would go check on the kids And then he'd come back and then the mom Kate would go check on the kids But for that to happen they left the door unlocked And this wasn't just like a couple feet away from the room. No, they had to leave the resort Hotel area Go down across a courtyard Through the pool area through this entire yeah Thank you. Thank you pulling that up love of visual So the tap pass is over here by the tennis courts The tap pass That's what it was called the tap pass restaurant over here by the tennis courts and the fucking rooms Look at look at look at all you have well you have to walk through to get to the tap pass And they're leaving their kids in the room with the door unlocked And just going to check on them every 20 to 30 minutes and actually

22:57The tap-ass staff said that that timeline ain't actually what happened because they were the tap-ass is this building by the tennis courts between the Yes, the tennis courts in the pool Right the tap-ass is that big one right there and their rooms from the back side of I'm not mistaken this building on the right I believe right The the building on the right if you zoom in it'll be the one that first room keep going over No, the other the other over yep. It's that room right there Right here, so keep going over just a smidge Yes, right there in the court. Yeah, it's got like its own private little So does it stretch both sides because it goes to the backside right here This is the one that's you like yeah, it's the closest to the to the street It was that first room closest to the street so They said they were going every every 30 minutes or so the the staff at the tap-ass restaurant says that they were going every hour or so

23:59Right, and they would trade off couples right so That's allegedly why they were leaving it unlocked right because then the Tanner family would go at one point right The tank one of the trainers would go and the next check be one of the McCann's and the next check would be one of those This man's one of the other couples one of the other couples so they're all down there Throwing back margaritos rubbing thighs together Getting real cozy down at the tap-ass restaurant and their fucking kids are alone In the hotel room with the door unlocked and they're half hazardly going back to check on him And you might be thinking to yourself Well, they only did it that one night, you know, no, they didn't They did it every single night for five days straight Before this thing That's sailing characteristics right there, ma'am of a ma because this became a pattern to be like I'm just saying Let's let's say for example in these instances that you're describing that you're doing excellent job man. I appreciate that Let's assume that perhaps then there's no co-eability these people are just flagrantly not taking care of their children doing or taking care of their children

25:05A very negligent manner flagrantly kind of negligent manner because even all these doors locked in shit You know, maybe that's there's I'm just saying could there could be a member of the staff or something that took note of this behavior by by day five Right, I said that in my I said that in my episode It might have been on the patreon part But I said how come nobody from the fucking tap-ass was interviewed when she went missing Everybody the tap-ass knows they have reservations every night at 830 and they always leave the kids unlocked in the room Everybody at the tap-ass knows and and everyone in the staff will know it after that because everyone in the staff talks Yes, and even if it's his talking shit like can you believe these dumb white British doctors are leaving their kid you know It could be something is something to that remark. Yeah, because When I tell you what's been going on in prior to lose It's gonna make so much more sense how the staff could be connected in what Possibly could have happened because That's kind of what I was thinking too is this is it's a real it's a den of vipers this whole beach town

26:07This entire beach town is full of fucking Child sex trafficking rings and when I break this down you're gonna shit you tank Because the staff Absolutely could have planned this whole shit out because they knew They had they every night they were gonna be for like two weeks five days in a row They had 830 dinner reservations and they knew they left their kids unlocked in those fucking rooms The night in question I'll break this timeline down for you So 830 dinner reservations the first check they say was nine o'clock one of the male friends I think the Tanner guy goes to check on the kids. Yeah, I was about to say that's what this map is the first the first check the tanners Get the tanners go. Yeah, I don't I don't risk work Portuguese. Do you report to use? I do not but I gotta I gotta I gotta break down right here for you They say the map the maps and ports to use I can't report

27:10JJ just the thought of them trying to convince anybody that they were getting up every five minutes to go check on the kids should should Like what were they playing musical chairs? Every time we like You know they're not created right. There's a lot of things that draw into question I question all every aspect of this investigation and whatnot how it was handled from there two date like the way they're handling it two Day but so here's that's a great question there hb So here we got the the pride to lose resort the it's about a half a mile to the beach from there About a mile about a quarter a little over quarter a mile. I'm gonna call it a third of a mile because from here to here is a three quarters of a mile Where the Freudville is that red dot to that red dot three quarters of a mile It's close enough that if you wanted to be gone with or you could be gone with or anyone and that's and we see We see witness statements next to this pub the plow and pay-to club pub I'm sorry By the Smith family this Irish family that was in the beach town that so they had oh we'll get into those

28:13Societies later, but there is there is evidence of sightings from the from the resort towards the beach I'm sure and There's another place that we'll look at in just a minute that's off close to this resort where they were doing some pretty nasty stuff with kids, but all right So That sounds let sounds like some good things It's gonna it's gonna bring it all the way home once you find out, but So 8 30 dinner 9 o'clock 10 or goes five minutes later jerry goes And then they say at 9 30 one of the other Male friends goes to check so Now we've made it to 10 p.m Right, so 8 30 dinner 9 9 o'clock 10 or Five minutes later jerry 9 30 another friend and now we're at 10 o'clock Kate goes to do the checks And she claims she saw light coming through the door

29:16The way I have a I have her savings right here if you want me to play it Oh, sure. Yeah, let's see what she had to say because I just got a quick summary of it here Oh, and it my mom is I didn't didn't want to interrupt you, but I think this is a good clip to see how the parents are still handling themselves As you point out they are still together and you know, and they've always I you know, I again, I've looked at them in the past and been like well, they could be they definitely could be responsible and more culpable than just putting their child in an endangered environment, but You know, they also could just be to stay the shock, but they do they have made weird statements There's no that's what I'm saying. There's no There's no but that doesn't mean they're not trying to hide something else You know, I mean it becomes very very complicated But I do think it's interesting to watch how they still like this was just I think this was from 2020 20 I don't know this it's in recent years. It's in recent years I went through up to our bedroom and when she wasn't there that was when the panic first set in And as I rushed back into the children's bedroom that was the point and I guess it was chance

30:19They just had to be a gust of wind that's suddenly the curtains that were closed over just Blue open and that's when I saw that the shelter had been raised and the window was was pushed right across And that's when you I didn't have any doubt really. I knew that somebody had taken our daughter And you ran back So she says she knew immediately right? Oh Yeah, well see that's this this the problem She's been highly composed from the get fucking go that was it I mean I know they're doctors, but I love them. I mean that's really they're they got to the other composed for sure You know anytime they've ever been interviewed they've been oddly composed And for her so she ran back to the tapass after making this discovery And she just started shouting in the middle of the tapass restaurant. They've taken Maddie they've taken Maddie And I feel like that's a odd verbage to use

31:22If right Dave right is everything like me taking that's what I'm saying that is odd right Not Maddie's gone Yeah, not where I can't find Maddie right I can't find Maddie Maddie's missing She doesn't say any of that she says they've taken Maddie they've taken Maddie they've taken Maddie Like what if we like why would that the first thing if you're not involved or don't know anything the fuck that's going on The first thing that pop out of your mouth is they've taken Maddie I think they know a lot more than they've led on publicly and what they said to investigators is You never know because I think I think I think the person that got closest to this investigation Was was the private private detective hired by the family Well, if you get too close ship pops up to make it to where you can't figure out what really happened And I think that's the story of Kevin Halligan. Well we can get into that when we get into some of the theories here But I want to get you too far off because we do see she goes back to the tapass and then suddenly

32:27uh they they They can be in a search, but it's it's a very lackluster search right Very lackluster search, but what they do and now let's let's just think about this here for a second JJ if if the door was unlocked Why use the window at all Okay, if the door is wide the fuck open why would an abductor come through the window and Yeah, right if the door is unlocked right wouldn't they go back out the same way they came in right It looks less suspicious and then in that same regard we get we get the Tanner statement later from the tap the tapass Seven and she's making statements like she saw some guy carrying a young blonde girl I'm like, I've always thought well shouldn't she know whether or not she saw a Madeline She's one of the family's friends She's checking on Madeline. Yeah, she's probably spent enough time with Madeline It's like a family member or something you would know immediately if that child was Madeline or not

33:31Right, right, and it was the at nine days before or fourth birthday. She was almost four years Now the only prince they ever found on the window belonged to Kate McCann And if you look at the case of John Beney, what did they do? They blamed the fucking basement Window and it's been found a thousand times over that that was completely staged There was no tracks in the snow leading to or from the fucking basement window that window had been broken for years There was it wasn't freshly broken nobody came in through the window to get John Beney and what did they do with Madeline in this Somebody came in through the window, but the only prince on the window Belongs to Kate in the fucking door was open. So if somebody was gonna kidnap by the fuck would they do all the extra hoopla of getting in and out of a window And why did they only take one of the three children inside the apartment? That's what I'm saying JJ that why if you are a child molester would you go for the older of the three

34:33And not the boy by the way because the boys are always coveted It's a it's a blonde hair blue-eyed one-year-old boy Sleeping right next to Madeline and you going for the older kid My ass and if you would say literally the same room literally the same room They were sleeping like two feet apart from each other and you get right here Right, so what I'm saying is if you in one of these weird rings or whatever that takes kids You didn't even go for the one-year-old girl which would have been way more valuable than if almost four-year-old girl And you didn't go for the one-year-old boy Which is highly coveted in these rings and Aryan have blonde hair blue-eyed boy sleeping right there You passed him up and the end the other little girl you went for the three-year-old. I don't think so JJ I know that's dark and it's hard to talk about that kind of stuff But they wouldn't have taken Madeline. They would have taken the twins That's what I'm saying

35:34It's far as maybe the parents were in some sort of weird sex cold business to selling their daughter Maybe because They had a fondness for the twins more than Madeline. I don't really know, but I got all thoughts on it um Yeah, because they're still with the they still are raising you know They raised the twins since then so the twins are adults now right they they might have had you know It's like an honor when you're in one of these rings to sacrifice That's when I'm getting that they may have got status from it right that the status for sure For sure, they immediately whether or not they got status from that or not I think I think it shouldn't be ignored that they immediately began associating and staying at the house of one climate Freud an ardent kid deadler bbc star celebrity chef in head of the liberal party for the UK parliament Jesus Christ see I didn't even know that I thought they were at a fucking Airbnb No, they were standing climate Freud's house. He came and he's like hey, I'll save the day you guys can stay at my oh

36:37My god, oh That's his house right here the Freud villa and it's three quarter of a mile is the road flies from from the resort Oh my god But that's where they stayed at until until the Portuguese authorities charged them right because they eventually do get charged or They're identified as suspects at least publicly and that's when they beat beat feed out of Portugal right Yeah, the second the the Portugal Police started coming for them They got the fuck out of there and they were like we'll never leave until we find Maddie and they were like actually We kind of think your suspects and they're like bye bitches exactly and they got on a plane and got high-tailed at the fuck out of there Yeah, Clement Freud's connected to the sub-ville. He's connected to all the all the dark muppet deadlers in the UK That's disgusting and you know it really so there was no sign of a forced entry No, there was no sign of a struggle the bedsheets were delicately pulled back as if she was lifted out of the bed by someone she knew

37:40There wasn't like a tassel um Her favorite blanket that she supposedly slept with was folded And placed on the bed as if it weren't in use at all and The cuddle cat that she always slept with and wouldn't go anywhere without was also left in the bed so Tell me your thoughts on this I mean I generally think that The there's individuals within the the staff of the resort that were involved in this abduction And I don't and again, I'm not saying that the parents were completely absolved of any liability because I do think they were involved in a lot of weird shit man In fact sold their daughter in this and this some sort of sex slavery and I think the fact that Kate After Madeline's disappearance would carry that fucking cuddle cat everywhere And it was it was it's almost like it was hidden in plain sight that the cuddle cat actually has more to do in this story than

38:41Then what meets the eye Be and and we can talk about that Yeah, I heard you mention that I'd like to hear more about that for sure But are you familiar with this case disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley? I am not so it she disappeared on a royal Caribbean cruise ship literally from the ship uh wall out at sea And uh nowhere to be seen and identified early on and the investigation was employees on the royal Caribbean cruise staff In her disappearance Would they do grind her up and put her in the spaghetti bolognese? Yeah, there's implication and at least it was implied that maybe they they knew ways through cargo elevators and stuff to get things Zoning off the ship without without you know being witness So she was sold in this ex-legally too. Okay Wow But royal Caribbean has obviously been mums of word. They don't want to you know obviously implicate themselves in it Even if it was one of their employees, right? So you know, I think I think the way I look at this search

39:45So went on that night and prior to lose is the and and honestly the naming the the parents of suspects later Is they they didn't want any heat on them? You know it takes all the heat off of Portugal generally speaking and and the resort the resorts like well We don't look for your your daughter then we're never gonna find your daughter, right? That's very true And they also they bring in a slew of quote-unquote suspects that are totally random bizarre and they're ridiculous to this day they do The German fellow's ridiculous The German fellow was ridiculous. There was a guy with one little tiny eye on one side that was like half blind and he was just trying to help uh What do they call it and interpret What the police were saying to the mccans because they didn't speak Spanish or whatever Yeah, they had a translator come in this all i'm gonna be a dancer that's what i'm saying We see this weird network that comes around the mccan family in the immediate aftermath of Madeline's disappearance on May

40:492007 and that is this interpreter who's like oh, I'm but just a I'm just gonna I'm mr I'm gonna help you out and and I think that guy was playing your role in which then he could later say well These folks are lying to me and then they could push the blame on the parents when it became the right time because I do think That there was you know obviously taking this girl regardless of the parents were involved in or not in her abduction Well, that's obviously they create headlines. I'm not sure it was expected to create the headlines as it did And still does but uh, I don't know um, I don't I do I also think that they they had an intense to at some point in time push the blame on the parents They They did I think the parents do know stuff the mccans do have handlers and that's an interesting point because the mccan's handlers go right back to the Freud family Now there was is the is the millionaire guy that was helping the mccans out as he connected to this Freud stuff He's not connected to Freud, but

41:51We uh, we see the roundabout way that the investigation conducted by the investigators at heart So the millionaire this millionaire benefactor like I'm going to hire these investigators this oakley international which is all former CIA FBI MI6 and MI5 so it's basically the five eyes program essentially right And and it's one of those investigators and a former MI6 undercover guy under cover kind of special agent dude Kevin Halligan He actually did some I would declare some honest investigation objective investigation in this matters He's been he's been uh lambasted with all sorts of claims fraud charges by the department of justice and then he died under a mistake Unfortunate mistake of falling down the stairs while drunk Sad after you have to see what I'm saying if you get too close, you know They make sure You know But the the PR guy that runs around for the mccan family is literally

42:52Uh Works for Matt the Matthew Freud communications PR firm See that just makes us so much more sense to me now that you saying that because they have constant representation throughout this whole thing I thought it was because they were so emotionally retarded During these interviews that people were starting to catch wind like why aren't these people more emotional about their kid being missing So they put pushed these like frontman out there to talk for them because they were making themselves look horrible Never crying never looked upset Never really showed a lot of emotion and then all the sudden they got these people that started talking for them So I was like this is all just part of the the cover up Yes, so the guy who owned that beach house the Freud beach house was actually Matthew Freud his father Clement was living there But Matthew ended on paper now Matthew Freud PR communications they now they did their everywhere in the UK they do music in movie movie star, you know agent management as well, right like semester solones to be a client

43:57The fine young cannibals you remember that one hit wonder from the 90s. I love him That's that they were managed by Matthew Freud Matthew Freud's married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter So their children are the I believe the only grandchildren of Rupert Murdoch That's so crazy. Did you know did you know Jeffrey Dahmer's favorite band was the fine young cannibals I just made that up but it's all it's all it's all connected and there's an even bigger It's kind of like like how The Wonderland raids exposed the lot of the you know, what I mean it's it's this this Wonderland raids The Wonderland raids John Bane's family was caught up in the Wonderland raids people were finding photos of John Bane on people's computer Um Yes, see right here Wonderland raids Operation Cathedral

44:57Yeah The Wonderland Club it was active in prior to lose as well So now you've got 13 countries Yes, you've got John Bane and Madeline McKinne because because this um Wonderland Club it was throughout Colorado where the John Bane stuff occurred it was running through prior to lose and um What are the coincidences that Something like that would happen to John Bane and something like this would happen to Madeline McKinne in the same Wonderland Club is running in both Colorado and prior to lose And none of this shit is making sense none of this shit made sense with John Bane And the parents are are oddly the parents are what just like the Ramses upper class elite Uh high profile the physicians and you know The you just have to wonder like could it be

45:59As conspiracy theorists and we've been around the block a few times could we not use our Investigative skills to put some pieces together that this is not this this is probably connected I think it is and I think that's what i'm getting at as far as you know When anyone who's done a legitimate investigation and this gets completely persecuted and in just completely lambasted for being a piece of shit So like they say this kevin howling so The the official so after that when I say the lack we go back to that lackluster investigation on ground by the resort They basically didn't want none to do with it Weeks would go by before the Portuguese authorities really wanted to stir up an actual you know Large scale situation and again, I think a lot of that stuff was all controlled as well I think so many aspects of this case have been very Intrigually controlled because it connects the networks like that wonderland operation Yes, and what are your thoughts then

46:59This is where I think the parents have to kind of sort of be involved because they bring in these blood sniffer dogs To the hotel where Madeline disappeared The Blood sniffer dog they brought in a blood sniffer dog and a cadaver sniffer dog and both of the dogs Independently of each other alerted in the same areas of the hotel room Right, they were they were brought to the McCann's rental car and they both Independently alerted to the trunk of the McCann's car for Dead body smell and blood So and Jerry the father was like well, we had some dirty diapers back there in the trunk of the car So maybe the Jerry these are highly specialized trained dead body sniffing ass dogs They not picking up on a dirty fucking diaper and so there was obviously dead body smell and blood smell in the hotel room

48:08And dead body smell and blood smell in the trunk of the McCann's rental car which they got weeks after she disappeared So it's like what did you what did they do like keep her body fucking somewhere and then Transport it in the back of the car they also alerted At the Frosville for dead body smell and blood smell specifically the cuddle cat Kate He'd the cuddle cat at the Freud villa she hit it in a cabinet and put a bunch of books in front of it and they still smelled it The police opened the cabinet removed all the books the dogs were alerting that there was something in there And they pulled out the fucking cuddle cat and the dogs sparked their heads off so From the hotel room to the rental car to the Freud's villa The dogs are alerting that there's dead body smell and blood smell so I can only surmise if the dogs are accurate in three different locations

49:13That they may have put her body in a suitcase and and was driving around with it And dispose of it I think it's possible um Which dogs were these remind me refresh my brain hole man where these was just because they didn't like the lack the initial lackluster investigation involved never locking down the crime scene never really you know like as we say never never Taking witness reports from the staff and anything like that. I never happened But they did bring allegedly bring some search dogs on scene within about six or eight hours, right? No, it wasn't those search dogs because those dogs would be like if you if you held metal and shirt up to the dog Right, you know, fine metal This was months later this guy his name is Martin grime He worked with these dogs for over 35 years not these specific dogs But he's worked with various dogs for 35 years and he was like I trust these dogs these dogs are highly trained Let me help with the investigation and so they were like let's bring this guy in with his dogs and this was months later

50:20And the dogs alerted at the at the trunk of the mccans rental car at Freud's villa and in the in the hotel room that there was a dead body and blood smell what I surmise surmise is maybe While they were down at the tap ass for an hour because the staff said they took about an hour Mm-hmm They could have they could have been down there drinking margaritos eating fish sticks rubbing thighs together for an hour hour and a half While any number of Individuals could have been up in that hotel room raping and running through Madeline and then Kate goes back to the hotel room. She stashes Madeline's body in a suitcase Which later gets packed in the trunk of the car taken to the Freud's villa and they dispose of the car kiss at a later date Yeah, I mean if that's legitimate um Those are legitimate dog detections and I do me legitimate because like I don't know there's I think there's a couple There's I've seen various ways where you can kind of uh, you know

51:24Cause those dogs to detect right like I used to be a patrolman years ago and you want to search a car You know, we I worked with some canine guys that like you know Like hey man my dog didn't smell nothing. Do you want to search that car? I'll make them you know I'll make them detect something make them sit on you know on something right they sit when they detect And I might know I don't want to do that But I appreciate the you know the offer to violate some folks rights, you know what I mean You know you could be absolutely right and the dogs could have just been a red herring to make it further look like the parents Right that might have been the decision point where they within the porch to use the authorities because again They were real slow to they never secured the crime scene never did any questioning they had a role We have to do we really have to do this and then you know By the time they actually did things and an investigation, you know, it was really too little too late And they were just like the parents did it right I think there were similar You know machinations there that help support of the translator got on that side of that right Because the British authorities didn't investigate from like what two more years right like operation great yes

52:25Right, I was gonna say because this case is so convoluted We have to be broad-minded in looking at all the evidence because so many different things could have happened You know we could take into consideration. Maybe the dogs were accurate. Maybe they weren't But the fact is they never fucking found the fuck the body So today two day there's no clock cameras no axon cameras no facial recognition of any kind Not detected by them but can't how about all the talk about the thousands of like missing cases And there's a lot of hundreds of these hundreds they get covered on true crime podcasts as a missing and murdered folks I'm starting missing folks. There's a strange experiences, what not None of these people ever being detected by facial recognition software for more being told You know what I mean? So like and to just what all this technology advancements and whatnot There's it's not closer to locating Madeline the canner bodies. They've been discovered. She's never been seen Despite the the volume of A parent I witnessed a you know apparent sightings throughout the years right? They say that they say always saw Madeline

53:27In Morocco we saw Madeline. It's always like a really exotic places that they this is my This is my theory and maybe I'm a jerk off here But it's always like really exotic places that they're seeing Madeline and it just gives them a cans and excuse to go visit Morocco for a week and stay at the ritz Like what the fuck were you doing in Morocco find a mad where you go and door to door in Morocco to find Madeline They always go to these really exotic places where they say they've seen Madeline They state posted up in a real nice hotel for the week and like, you know what I mean? It's just JJ it's ridiculous. It's tough. It's real talk as you can go on their website and see their parents will take donations or selling stuff there right They had it they have the equivalent of a go fund me, you know, right and you know, which you know Is I guess so it's certain degree I get it but at the same time, you know, it's one of it's again It's one of those aspects of this case that can be looked at from either side and either side can be just as equally as fucking rooted in their belief

54:29I've gone to like years ago. I've been following this case for I've been interested in since it occurs You know grass by everyone's attention, but I've been actively involved in commentary in this case for at least I'd say about the 10 year of operation gcd here. So 10 years and I remember folks on Reddit were real adamant that the parents did it and stuff. So I mean again, there's but there's evidence to support those claims again The activities of the parents their statements they've made to accept or accept or so I get it but at the same time Ajacently involved right and yeah, like this Yeah, like to direct evidence. That's not the only reason they would lie right they might be lying for other reasons Right because we got it. Let's just take this into consideration and you're also a parent. So you'll get this If there was a tussle that broke loose in that room somebody pry and open a window and and and the curtains blowing open and this intruder coming in the room and The twins never woke up

55:30Not even when the investigators got there and all the police dogs and all the officers and the detectives and the mccans were crying and Where's Madeline? The twins never woke up and that's equally and that's like the to me that's the big factor in this case That is the is equally as mysterious as the ransom note and the murder case of jambanay ramsie Suddenly there's a dead girl in her in a basement of her home dead body with a ransom note next to it for as if it were a kidnapping Right, so you know, there's these there's these specific incidents and factors in both cases We're just makes no sense right? It's just such a it's a mysterious chaos factor why again The twins don't wake up the twins are still in there right and If you create such a mystery it's it's really hard to determine what is really going on there Well, this is the thing is because I have a one-year-old I'm I believe the twins were roughly around one year's old I have a one-year-old If I fucking fart too loud he will wake up screaming

56:33If a door creaks if somebody I have neighbors whose dogs won't bark or whose dogs bark all the time And if he's sleeping and one of those dogs is barking at a neighbor or whatever He will wake up So you are telling me that those twins Roughly around one year's old they were so sleep-trained that they would sleep through Police officers coming in and out of the out of the hotel room dog sparking The parents crying lights being turned on searching going on and the twins are fast asleep I don't fucking think so and there's a story that brings this into Play The night before Madeline went missing Not only did Madeline wake up and start crying because she couldn't find her parents because she was alone in the hotel room The twins woke up crying and we're alone in the dark-ass room By themselves with no parents and so

57:36Jerry and Kate are known To medicate their kids to sleep in situations like this so they don't wake up in the middle of the night While they're at the tap-ass restaurant and they don't want to be interrupted having a good time. So they are known To medicate and their physician so they probably brought that shit along with them The night before Madeline went missing they all three of them had woke up while they were at the restaurant They were all hysterical and shit because they couldn't find their parents So the next night the night in question when Madeline disappeared and the twins never woke up and even with dogs and lights and police officers Coming in and out of the hotel room. They still didn't wake up It's because Kate probably dose them before they went down to the tap-ass all right Which could have been for two reasons easier secure collection of Madeline if she's passed the fuck out. There won't be any screams or crying or fighting

58:40They'll whoever is going to come get her will have an easier time with her And the twins won't wake up when this goes down. So they're all medicated right Right that that's another thing that's gonna come into play here With our how involved are the parents in this because clearly they were given at least some type of a sleeping medication sure sure So we see the last time she's physically seen is what 905 right with Jerry Mm-hmm Because the other ones don't they don't see they don't conclusively look in those kids better than that this report Nothing seemed out of the ordinary when they walked in the apartment. They didn't hear anything right Matthew old field reports at 930 he didn't hear anything So to your point to your point of the disruption of the other children and he knows what's whoever we we know that it wasn't any immediate Between 905 and 930 will be the time you know, you know 20 to 25 minutes paying. There's no disruption

59:41So then Kate discovers her missing at 10 so presumably she goes missing between 930 and 10 This is again if we take this At face value because nobody can confirm this other than the other fucks that were at the restaurant with them the top of seven right Because they don't want to be held accountable for it right so that yeah, that's it's fair to say I think Right because the staff at the restaurant says that the the actual timeline completely is contradictory to what the the whole Uh friend group and the McCanns are saying about this 905 915 930 10 pm the staff at the restaurant are saying they went once a fuck an hour To go check on So we Right this whole timeline situation she went missing between this time and that time we'd first have to we'd first have to say we're taking The timeline at face value because they're

1:00:42Giving this to us and we have no way of confirming that's really what happened because the staff at the restaurant Which why would they have any reason to lie said that they weren't doing any of this every 30 minute stuff Yeah, but then back but back that's a great point ma'am. That's a great point but to the same notion that um There may be staff involved in in this disappearance But then they would then maybe members of the staff would be inclined to produce a fake timeline We're and then falsely inaccurate timeline They book they both see that's the thing is the staff at the restaurant and the McCanns and their friends all have a reason to lie Right, that's yeah, what happened. I know that's what makes it such a mystery And so now I kind of want to Get into this operation cathedral thing and Bring up what else was going on in this area of pride to lose because I think it's gonna Bring it all the way home Like a year or two before Madeline

1:01:43Disappeared there was an 11-year-old boy His name was Rui Pedro you can type this in Maybe there's a picture of him. It's are you I? It's the first name Rui Pedro went missing in pride to lose he was riding his bike home Pete will come Pete Yeah, he was riding his bike home and he disappeared Where we Pedro right here pride to lose so This was just like I think a year or two before Madeline disappeared and there was no Say almost almost 10 years to the dot about nine oh 10 years really Nine years okay, it says March 4th 1998. She's she's May 3rd 2007 right so okay, okay almost 11 years So I'm gonna love you so I can't do math too well. I apologize, man I think I need to give visit my local science store once you hold that off one, please

1:02:43I Let's take a if you need to take a quick. I need to get a beverage take it and maybe get a pretzel breaking me here Uh take thank you. Thank you all folks the N West for joining us here tonight to get a GCD and Cosmic Pete's Julia. Thank you, ma'am as well and Take a break take a five if you need to and I'll be right back with you I Tell And I can't believe she was a chill at the grocery store

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1:05:59F F F F F Welcome back folks and in your webs and happy birthday Julia. 57 today. You made 10 years in this show today. It's speaking up 10 years though. It's hungry as I am. I should quit making a half times out of crab legs songs. I love crab legs by the way. I love crab legs. I love crab legs. I love crab legs. That's a cover band. They do nothing but crab crab related songs are called crab smack. I hope there's a crab ring in. Oh, I love crab ring in. There's like, there's a there's a fellow I watch. His social media. His name is Molet review. It's got sweet molet. I'm I'm actually kind of molding. Yeah, I've been thinking about, you know, growing out my own molet. I encourage it highly. I think you've got the face and the charm to pull off the molet.

1:07:01So I appreciate that. I mean, it's kind of like the extended mohawk, if you will. I do like it. Yes. Yes. But speaking of 10 years, I was wrong. It wasn't two years. It was 10 years for we paid row. Went missing. Impried to lose on his bike cycle. I mean, I think it's a lot of. I think it's a lot of. I think it's a lot of. And so you think this is. You suspect between the. The wonderland stuff in this. In this case, there's this is a lot of. Kid Dittlery going on around there, right? Well, here's the thing. I'm just going to read you what I got from my notes because it's going to be very important. There was no major coverage. Of. Rui Pedro's disappearance. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not that. The reason that he did it was the first time to take to the media. There were again, there wasn't a lot of people trying to help out. Find in this kid. Not anything like what they did for Madeline.

1:08:01And so after he went missing the wonderland parade swept through Portugal. Code name operation cathedral. As we were stating earlier. And the wonderland club. Yes, it operated this basically it was like a highly secretive invite only it had an internet club with its own chairman and Treasurer and they found 750,000 images of pedophilia in this raid. They confiscated and this is led by the British National Crime Squad, huh? So they confiscated CDs, tapes. So was the bridge despite it being a 13 nation, go ahead, go ahead, man. Oh, no, yeah, I mean, bust in anytime you got something. Oh, no, I was just wanted to point out that was a salient characteristic besides me chewing on chips, you're I apologize. Be a kid. The British National Crime Squad, so it's a 13 nation and joint investigation, but the

1:09:06British are in charge of it. So they're familiar with these Portuguese activities. Oh, they definitely are, which I think has something to do with like all this Madeline McKinne's stuff and why they might have chosen pride to lose, but during Operation Cathedral, when they found all these tapes and CDs or whatever, they wanted to try to identify some of these children. Uh, you know, they, they basically in hopes of identification, they went through all these images and videos and they took still shots of the children's faces. And they would just like cut the body off and take the face and they comprised this catalog of all the faces of all the children from these tapes and etc, etc. And they were predominantly male children, which is why I don't understand why they didn't take the little boy that was sleeping right there.

1:10:08But anyway, so they comprised this catalog of all the faces of all these children and all these videos. They invite, or we, Pedro's mother to go look at these images to see if maybe she could identify her son. Mind you, the image that she was probably looking at the face of her son mid-rape. You know, so she went, she checked out the catalog, she identified him as one of the children. That was uncovered in the Wonderland raid. And imagine what that most felt like, JJ for a second. Okay. That's what I, yeah, that's immediately what I was thinking. I was like, you mean to tell me they couldn't warn the mother, they couldn't give her like spoiler alert. You know what I'm saying? Like imagine having to identify the face of your child knowing what happened to him. And hundreds of children were identified, but no bodies were ever recovered. What did this inaccurate statement here that only 17 of the 1200 children had been identified?

1:11:12That's what I'm saying, JJ, where are the bodies of these 1260 three children? Where are the bodies? Were they, give me a name. Yeah. If I may compare to a case out of Northern California, San Jose to be specific back in round the same, round the same time, 1997, I believe. The case of David, as a moth, which I'm interested to understand now that I'm looking at this in your explain in these details because it's been a while since I looked at this aspect of it. We see this, this confluence of activity here in Northern California, the accused Ronald Riva of Greenfield, California was in a pedophile gang called the Orchid Club. Now he's apparently one of the founders of this, this opera of this wonderland situation, right? So at the very same time, David, as a moth, the son of Isaac Asimov, the infamous, you know, science guy, Isaac Asimov, the science guy, his son got caught with the largest child porn

1:12:15stash of images in American history up to that date. And the San Jose police said it said they identified some of the victims. They were local victims to the area, but I feel like every time these instances go on, they're like, yeah, we don't need us to identify the victims, right, buddy? You know what I mean? Like somebody internally to the authorities or the investigation. I mean, it's just in the fact that the John Bonaise stuff is wrapped up in this wonderland club. The fact that, and it's like, where we have John Bonaise body, but it's like, where do the bodies go of all of these children? It's like, we don't want, we're going to identify some of them and the rest of them's, you know, even if we identify them, we're never going to find their bodies. We'll let you tell you what happened to the bodies. That's evidence. That's paperwork. Right. But so it doesn't stop there, JJ, because I want you to type something else up into this bitch. Yeah, but the the pride of the sex chain don't stop there.

1:13:16Maybe it's got a huge tentacle like fucking network of others shit going on. You're going to type in the Casapilla sex abuse scandal. How can you spell that? Yeah, it's Casa C-A-S-A-P-I-A sex abuse scandal. Can you use it in a sentence? Yes. Although I thought this was the spelling bee for second-mile apologies. I don't know this one. This is the new one for me. Coming out of Pradilu's portrait. Why don't you read it for the listeners for us? Just that little top paragraph there. Yeah, we got this is so this was in long going when it says night duration 1960s to the 2000s. Told you. The justice in 2002 was a Casapilla.

1:14:19I'll take a I'll take a pie and probably not the same kind of pie here. I like a pizza pie. I don't know why I'm just stupid. I'm a great big fat person. I'm stupid hungry. It shouldn't I should eat dinner before I do a show. Anyway, was the case of child sexual abuses, involving a number of children and employees that Casapilla. A Portuguese state-run institution for the education and support of poor children. An orphanage. Ten orphanages carrying 4,600 children only. That's a lot of victims. The scandal involved prominent men and TV presenter Carlos Cruz. What's he do? Talk show. Some type of talk show that Jorge Rito was some kind of an ambassador guy. Yeah, to UNESCO, right? Yeah, there we go, United Nations.

1:15:20And so the former governor of Casapilla, Manuel Abbrantes. So they would have 32 victims. 32 victims. Well, it says it was involving 100 boys this scandal was involving 100 boys. They were being raped. People were so it was kind of like the Jeffrey Epstein thing. They would fly in to Pride to lose. These elite class gum bags would fly in political people, etc. They'd fly in to Pride to lose. You know, it reminds me of Boystown. This is that's that's immediately what I was thinking as this is an orphanage. It sounds like a very crazy. And this is this is the Portuguese Boystown. Yeah, because you got the governor involved in it right? So you got your top cover. You got your international UNESCO operations. You got your local celebrities, right? You got your local Bob Hoops or Jimmy Subil, right?

1:16:21And so if you if you look up, top it says ran a male prostitution network involving 100 boys. You know, and this was all that so the trial ended in the early 2000s right before the abduction of Maddie. So we have not one but two. We have this Casapilla child sex abuse scandal. And we have the Wonderland raid. All going down in Pride to lose in other parts of Portugal. And then Maddie's disappearance. Now I've heard some talk that. Some doctors involved in that huh? Oh, it was huge. It was huge. And I've heard some talk that two composite sketches of people that were seeing looming around the McCann's hotel room look a lot like the Podesta brothers. They do absolutely. I use that as their muppet imagery tonight.

1:17:23Yes, so it's interesting because we do see I think we do see this elite sex trafficking kind of resort right. So if you think about you know, you got a resort essentially a sex resort for for dealers, you know, this town. But did the parents knowingly choose this location and complicitly hand over their child to this ring? I'm not I'm not going to defend the McCann's. I never have tried. You know, I do think they're very much into some weird shit. So let's let me paint this picture for you. If they are sex cultists and they're going around like lower level, you know, they're doctors. They're of an upper upper middle class, you know, level of society there in the UK. Let's just say that you're there with their upper middle class, other doctor friends and whatnot as they did what right. But those people may not be, you know, they may not be in the know of a compartmentalized child sex

1:18:25trafficking operation that that operates in and around their sex cult, right. So I'm just saying like even if they didn't sell their kid in the child sex slavery, perhaps they were set up by members within their sex cult that they were unfamiliar with, right. You know, that they were going to be victimized to that degree. Like so ultimately speaking, they're guilty of putting their endangering their child and putting them in an environment just no different than the Ramses of John and these parents. We'll see that's the thing is even if they weren't complicit in this whole abduction scene, they were at least negligent on several levels. And I do think they drugged the kids. Evidence by the fact that the twins never woke up with all this, right. And in our dogs barking lights turning on and off. And if you were to take the mccans with the amount of information we have to court, I think that they'd probably be found guilty of something if nothing else child neglect.

1:19:27Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I think that's where I think you can do a lot less and get and get charged for child neglect. And so I mean, I always ask the listeners to like give me their take on this, what their thoughts, their feelings, their opinions are. I have seen the composite sketches that do look like the Pides de Brothers. Go ahead. I was just going to say there's there's so many pieces to this case. It's they've made they've blown it up so huge that it almost feels like it's impossible to get to the bottom of it. I think that's I think that's one indicator. Oh, I think that's one a strong indicator that this is their psychological operations around this and then you have to ask why, right? Is it because this is not even a real not a real victim? It's a fabricated thing from start to finish and you know, I think this case is used to generate money to study the way true crime operates.

1:20:30But those things can be truly can also not be a fake victim. And they got I mean, they got the Pope involved with this. They took the MacKins to the Vatican and they had the Pope come out and like pray over a picture of Maddie. They have all this stuff. See, look at this suspect drawing looks like Elaine Maxwell. And and and that goes right back to this whole idea of this elite sex trafficking stuff in that area. So this individual was a pilot or at a port. I'm sorry looking to be picking, supposedly picking up a young blonde girl. And they did spot her later in Morocco. So maybe they were just running her through. You know, it's just the amount of information in this case is overwhelming. And here we got the Podesta's looking at. So this this this specific drawings are produced by Kevin Halligan. The private detective that was later drugged through the mud sent a prison for fraud.

1:21:34Fraud that he never committed to monster, we never committed, right? We can get into that here right now. That'd be great. But yeah, this is the I think this is a good argument. These are Podesta's now operation. Grange doesn't start for four years after the disappearance. This is the official British investigation. They're the ones who eventually released this. But this was actually produced by Kevin Halligan. And the private detectives hired by the family in 2008. So after everything fell out with the Portuguese authorities and they just stopped and the parents were very open the entire time saying like they're not investigating things. They became suspects. They then hired this private detective agency after this millionaire benefactor who I don't know much about his background. I ain't been able to find much, but it is suspect that some dude pops out of nowhere. So I got millions of dollars. I'm gonna hire you a private detective, right? I said that to you in my show. I was like, where's this fucking millionaire guy coming from at a fucking nowhere? We're told this is two people.

1:22:35Go ahead, man. Well, they said that it could possibly have been two renditions of the same suspect. That's right, man. They were told this is one person, right? Right. They just happened to look. If this is two renditions of the same person, it's awfully fucking like, it's not even similar to two images. Like one's a big fat guy, one's a little skinny guy. Right. You know, it's just another, it's just another way to confuse you on what could possibly be going on because they said, no, it's not of two suspects. It's of one suspect, two different renditions of what he could look like. Well, that's funny because it looks like two different people. Two different people. It happens to look like two people we know pretty well. And the folks were leaving the pub down here south of the of the Portuguese beach resort there with the mechanics were at the Smith family out of Ireland. Now they came immediately in May of 2007 and gave these statements, but the Portuguese authorities

1:23:39did nothing with it. I think that's the telling factor, right? It was until the guys were hired in 2008. We also have to take this into consideration. Now that we know about the Wonderland Club and now that we know about the Casa P, a sexual abuse scandal, which was the Boyce Town of Frieda Luz, could this staff at the tap has be connected to this ring? They knew the McCann's schedule. They knew that they were leaving their kids unattended for long ass stretches of time. They knew what the kids looked like. They knew they'd be highly coveted. Blond hair, blue eyes from the UK. I think that's where we get Tanner man, right? Tanner man was the guy watching the apartment, right? So in my trying to sum all these pieces together, in my trying to think someone from the tap ass could have been involved in this ring. And nobody from the tap ass was ever investigated, mind you.

1:24:42The people who were intimately connected to the McCann's schedule all that week and knew that the kids were left unattended in that room with the door unlocked. Nobody was ever investigated from the tap ass. And that might be by design. Right. Well, even this, like what do you have a compromised employee who owns a drug dealer or the employees of Didler and they're part of some other sort of, you know, situations? And then that they're held in a compromised position, like give us the details of this young blonde girl. And then there's, we see this guy who Jane Tanner, part of the tap ass seven there. She sees this individual. And you know, why the fuck, by the way, if Jane Tanner at approximately 915 saw a scumbag, weirdo guy carrying a child that looked like Madeline McCann, did she not say a fucking peep of a word of a shit of anything to anybody until after the investigation started?

1:25:44That's an excellent question, man. I think it's the same question as why is the McCann's private investigations team hired a year after the fact in 2008, the ones doing all this investigation now. They really, and then we look at how this is released. So then the authorities released this in 2009, right? They don't release these pidesse looking ones until 2013. So why are they sat on this? Yeah, they sat on this until from 2008 to 2013 despite this being the best lead on Madeline McCann. Despite the entire world looking for despite investigation discoveries 48 hours, 60 minutes, two date, all of these things are generating more and more shows on the subject. I got a quick clip for that. The one interesting thing, the one glimmer of hope might be, if that's the case, if that plays out that way, that there might be a chance that the UK might take some direction. The Portuguese, more unlikely, but that there is a way that, and we're yet to understand

1:26:46fully how that would work, but UK legal system will step in at some point. Yeah, yeah. The Madeline McCann fund, they would just give an extra money only in April. Maybe another jurisdiction could step in and try and find something. I don't know, but otherwise, yeah, I think this search really is a race against time to try and find something because people are searching for answers and for the family, you know, the McCanns, you couldn't even imagine what they're going through and the glimmer of hope. I know every time, I mean, every time you can't imagine what they must be going through when their daughter's name hits the headlines it again and another search is called and we hear nothing beyond that. That was a year ago. So we see how these things have still been reported. We see that the German authorities brought a new suspect in the case John Mark Carr style like in the Jambanay situation. But doesn't it, doesn't it ring true as well that they constantly

1:27:51keep bringing Jambanay into the headlines? Even as, as recently as a year or two ago, Netflix dropped another. We think we know who did it to to Jambanay. We got a new fuck you guys. Even better, man, John Ramsey was at CrimeCon. This crime convention. And he did a whole he did a whole special like, you know, discussion, you know, folks pay big money to come in and see touting author and labs. The silicone valley based Elon Musk related Peter to a related DNA lab that is involved in, you know, pinning the Idaho Forest stuff on coburger, or at least they're involved in. They will never let it go. And they will never let Madeleine go because in the these two are connected by the same fucking wonderland ring. And I think that's a great point you make for sure. I think that's an excellent point. They will never, ever, ever.

1:28:52And by the way, that clip, what bothers me a lot is there always like, I can't even imagine what the family's going through. And then it shows a clip of of Kate and Jerry. And they're just like, yeah, we really miss her. And she's probably fucking dead somewhere. But say, love me. I mean, they don't there's never a tear. There's never any huge display of emotion from them. Ever. No, there's not. And that makes me think they have some skeletons in their closet for sure. But what those skeletons may be, I don't think it's the murder of their daughter. But Kevin Halligan is the one that produced all of these images and his investigation. Kevin Halligan would be put in a US prison in 2013 former CEO of one base company sentenced to 41 months in prison. For $2.1 million fraud scheme, the tenant used nearly $1.7 million of proceeds to buy a home in Great Falls, Virginia. That home in Great Falls, Virginia was down

1:29:53this street from Tony Podesta. This guy took all that money, inserted himself into the, but he this UK private detective in 2008 went to Portugal to investigate this girl's murder or disappearance of Malamakan a week afterwards. He's in Great Falls, Virginia just outside of Langley, outside of the CA headquarters. Those muppets with our our channel and whatnot. They can go fuck themselves. But my point is he goes there and he has a he holds a fake wedding. He invites all of Podesta's friends, right? And then and then he later dies and he goes to prison. So how was that fraud? Like he didn't personally benefit from those activities. They were, he was portraying those things in the investigation of what he was hired for Malamakan, but he was later charged for fraud for those activities. He didn't own the house. He created a fake name, a fake background, a fake everything. See, I didn't know this. He had a he didn't have a wedding, he held

1:30:55a reception and invited all of Podesta's friends. So he produces, I didn't know this JJ and it's making this even more mysterious. Preepy, right? Yeah, for sure. And the other guy you said, they pushed him down some stairs when he got this guy. Yeah, he got a prison. He dies mysteriously, right? Oh no, oh, JJ. Oh, God. Oh, they locked me out of BBC here. No, you just have to pay $49.99. Right, right. Actually, I have a quick, I have a quick clip on it, though, if you hold that thought, man. In this episode of American Greed, Kevin Richard Halligan, is he a top notch spy or just a dirty crook? Most people that I spoke with believe that he was like a secret agent or frankly that he was almost like James Bond. When a major corporation needs help freeing their imprisoned executives from an African prison, Halligan comes to their

1:31:57rescue. He claimed that he worked with Homeland Security for the CIA or the military. And, using inside connections, he takes in close to a million dollars meant to help find a missing child. Please, if you have Madeline, late heart come home to her mummy, daddy, brother and sister. But the only person he's really helping is himself. It's not my loving. This is the Google map. Just print it off. That was the so-and-steadest competition in the case. So who is Kevin Halligan? The whole thing was a charade. And I got weirder and weirder. And what is he really up to? There's no justification. We have to money. We're spending money on ourselves. We know it's a little bit of a sin. It's a sin. The mysterious voice you heard the besmirching Mr. Kevin Halligan and his death was Henry Xten, the X undercover operations chief for MI5.

1:32:57Right. Well, they did a whole hit piece on this guy. Yeah, MI5 did a whole hit piece on CNBC. Oh, remind me. 23 right right after dude died. Just a humiliation ritual. You know, like this one, who was Kevin Halligan and how did he scam the Madeline McCann's family? I don't think he did scam the family. I think he was spot on. I don't think he did at all. Yeah, he tied into whether or not the Podesta's were directly involved in the actual kidnapping and fit the actual guys on ground. Yeah, it remains to be seen. They certainly look a lot like those guys, but I think Halligan cute into the elite sex trafficking operations that were there were a foot here. Wow, and they did a whole hit piece on him calling him a fraudster and a scammer and a low life degenerate piece of shit. Yep, and then he gets out of he goes to fraud for gets trumped up on gets put to prison in the US and trumped up fraud charges over this investigation, right? Because it was the money he spent on the investigation

1:33:58for Oakley International was the company, right? He worked there. Right. That guy, the guy the MI5 guy was ahead of it, right? And and you know, he can't defend himself. He's dead, right? I mean, again, he fell down some stairs in his house when he was drunk after he got out of prison. Over fraud charges, right? Supposedly. Yeah, he was he was an Irishman who had been largely mass creating as an investigator, they claim, right? He had made friends with the Washington elite was living the high life on the back of what seemed to be the money for the search for Madeline. Yeah, he inserted himself into the protest the social circle held a fake. He didn't have a wedding. He had a he had a reception and there's pictures of him and his fake wife there at the reception, like the whole thing where he he he didn't profit off of the money, right? You know what I'm saying? Like they they charge them the fraud as if he personally profit and stole this money. The one point certainly 2.1 million dollars. That's not what happened. He was conducting an investigation. Right. And then he can and he found himself in the CIA

1:35:01backyard with the Podesta brothers. He was the most powerful NDC at the time. Well, I was just going to say he got too close and he was about to really bust some shit wide open. I think so. This is so oh my god. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I think that town was just like as again, climate Freud lived there, right? I mean the Freud so when we we were talking about the PR company or the PR representation for the for the McCann family and how it leads right back to the same the Freud family, right? The Freud in the sun Matthew Freud. You got that here somewhere. The guy's name was something Mitchell Clarence Mitchell, I think. Yeah. So Clarence Mitchell in 2008, September. He was the longtime official PR spokesman for Kate and Jerry McCann since then. And he signed a contract. And so she disappears and you know, she's already represented. He's representing them, right? And then gets a job as a lucrative contract with Freud communications. Oh my god. So there's there's Freud communications. He's literally controlling the narrative.

1:36:08So so all of this to say this. I mean, there's too many working parts to this at this. I agree, man. I agree, especially when you see Podesta's right hand man, a woman by the name of Sarah Latham. She's been Podesta's PR right hand person since the 90s. She was Hilary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign PR. She was in charge of PR for the campaign where Podesta was in charge of the campaign. She came back from the from Britain for that event for the 2016 because she was the VP of Freud communications. Oh, JJ. Yeah. So they've literally been controlling this narrative the entire time. This this PR firm. And that's my opinion. I mean, they got the family and we see this with other high profile event. Seth Rich's family, for example, John Podesta's left hand. This little beta bitch guy named Brad Bauman. He I met the guy one time. He's a real bitch. He's a like a

1:37:10lobbyist dude and PR crisis rep dude in DC. But he's like Podesta's left hand. He's actually the PR rep for the Seth Rich family always has been still as to to to date. So we see these these machinations of these large PR crisis management folks that are deeply connected to this sex trafficking operations that are running running a point on the the discussion, right? The the public discourse on these topics. Where did the McCanns fit into it? How much do they know? Here. Well, the relative to Clement Freud. If you're not familiar with Clement Freud, let me give you a quick rundown of old Clement. He died and and just like Jimmy Saville on the wake of his death. They're like, Oh, he died. Yeah, he's an ardent kid didler. Sorry. So he died in April of 2009. I think I think they actually out of them in 2016. Yeah. June of 2016, seven years after his death, he out of him and his wife is being ardent kid diddlers. Now he was elected to parliament in 73 left in 87. He left as the head of the liberal party, right? He's the grand

1:38:15son of Sigmund Freud and was a celebrity chef at one point in time on the BBC. Now he, he also now again, it's his son is Matthew Freud. He was knighted. But he most certainly has connections in the same politics as the Podesta's right. So we see that these folks may operate within numerous like shared characteristics and commonalities. The same policy. Yeah, they have it almost starts yeah, it almost starts looking like an organized crime outfit for sure. They like to call politics, right? And they stayed at this guy's house. Yeah, and the wake. And so and everyone asks so in June of 2016, the UK media like the daily mail and stuff, they were like, they were rampant with asking his wife and actress, I believe she was an American actress, I believe. Lady Freud is what they call her Jill fluid. Oh no, she's

1:39:19British. Okay. Yeah, they started. She's dead now. She died in 2025. But she, she was apparently the inspiration for Lucy and the Chronicles of Narnia from CS Lewis, another kid did another. I was just gonna. Another one. That's oh my god. That's surrounded by kiddettlers. So the fuck. She was asked, Hey, why did your husband befriend the McCann family and the wake of their daughters as the parents? She goes, Oh, we just had a beach house and we just thought it'd be nice to help out. So she's the equivalent of Alice in Alice in Wonderland. Essentially, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And CS Lewis and Charles Dodson, the K.A. What's Charles, what's the guy from Alice in Wonderland? Who wrote that? Lewis Carroll. Lewis Carroll. His real name was Charles Dodson. Yeah, he was friends with CS Lewis. No, he was not shat. Yeah,

1:40:19they were good friends. Oh my god. JJ Slap. Slap. It's a real health game out there. Oh my god, they're all going to hell. We need to get right with the Lord. They need to for sure. I'm good, ma'am. I didn't. I'm innocent. I'm just sick to my fucking stomach. And you know, they push, they push the Alice in Wonderland stuff. And when I was in school, we had to, we had to watch all the Narnia movies and read all the Narnia books and all the fucking. Wow. It's almost like we're required to read Kiddeling books, huh? Yes, I was just going to say that it's like it's like a required curriculum to walk, to read all the Narnia books. And then we, it was like, we'd have a pizza party and watch the Chronicles of Narnia. Is that like, I did that. I remember those days, yeah, sure. But you know, when I say we had a pizza party and then we watched the Chronicles of Narnia. Yeah. No, I know. It's real dark, right? You know, I mean, maybe

1:41:22they were just trying to like, I'm not saying every single elementary school teacher is involved in this. A lot of them are Hello, McMartin, but right. You know, have a pizza party and watch Narnia. You know, it just makes you wonder like, this is, this is some real dark shit here. Super dark shit. Oh my god. Well, I mean, look, let's look at the number one of the number one national pizza chains in America, Domino's. Don't tell me something about Domino's. Well, the name Domino's is used in the pedophilia terminologies. You're kidding me. No, that's the S&M stuff on the children of the family. They use that code name Domino's. Oh my god. Yeah. Do they really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a real hellscape out there. Let me just tangent for just a second because I just discovered this peto guy. Do you mind if I tangent for just a second? Go ahead, ma'am. Go ahead.

1:42:24So I discovered this peto guy. He was on a Christian kids TV show. It was called Joy Junction. And he had like a little marionette puppet and they would they would talk about Jesus and read the Bible to kids and like have all these little life lessons and whatever. He was on some online chat forum where they were talking about cannibalizing children, baking them in the oven, eating their flesh. One of the people in the chat group had a had a torture chamber in his basement. Yes. So they're there. There's some with three dog nights. Joy to the world. Oh, no shit. All right. Wow. Okay. So the guy his name. Oh, I'm sure it'll show it on here. Don McAllister. No, that was the guy who came up with the show.

1:43:26For his padley, he sounds like a dizzler. He's Ronald William Brown. You can type his fucking ass and Ronald William Brown. He was so after this Christian kids TV show, he went on to open a puppet store and he would do puppet shows at all the local churches. And he had pizza parties at his house every Friday. And all the boys from the neighborhood were going to his house. And I mean, Jay, Jay, this is he was he was in charge of running the church bus. And he would go pick up all the kids and the church bus and bring them to the church. And he did this. And now all this stuff they found and said it's an huh? Oh, yeah. And all these pizza parties he was throwing. It's like, is this tongue in cheek? Because these motherfuckers sick like this. They were talking about eating children

1:44:31in this group. They had they had found castration kits. They found torture chambers. They found child coffins, children's clothing. He had he was on this website called cutiedeadguy.net or some shit like that. And he was talking about I love seeing them displayed in their caskets while they're still fresh. And he had all these pictures of dead kids. And there was a little boy that went to his church that ended up dying. And he was with him through the whole he would go visit him at the hospital and take pictures of him. And then he went to his funeral and took pictures of him in the casket. And then he would like upload these images into the chat group like they have obsessions with sick and dying children children and caskets eating children and he's working on a Christian kids TV show. That's fucked up man. I'd not have heard of that one.

1:45:31JJ, I mean, when you really start diving into this stuff and he's having the pizza parties, he's having them over and he where the fuck are the parents when this stuff is going on? Maybe they're the tap ass restaurant. That's what I'm saying. It's like it's just it's just like just surrender your children over to the wolves. Don't have any type of intuition. Don't feel the person out that your kids just suddenly spending all this time with don't investigate them. Don't do Oh, you going over to Ron's house with the puppets and the yeah for the pizza park. Do you know if my son came to me and said that shit? I'd say, yeah, never fucking talking and fucking Ronald again with this fucking puppet in his pizza party. If it's Ronald McDonnell that clowns on the bitch don't trust him. Now, I mean, I think I think it's a good point you're making because it seems to implicate the parents at least being at least complicit in some similar style activities where they can at least have their children introduce to such environments. It's negligence.

1:46:37Again, that these children are so easily accessible. By the way, I think it speaks to the parents proclivities if you will as well, but it's definitely negligence for sure. But it's interesting what you're pointing out. We see this thing out of popping out of Philadelphia, the horse house of horse. Now this guy used to work for Wacken Hut. He used to make a bunch of sick pornography. He used to have a gas company in New Zealand. Real interesting snuff film director out of there, but him and his son recently just got found out. That's not the only thing that made a second. I think I, I, is this name Eugene? Eugene Horsen is father of Raymond Horses. Yeah. I just found out about this guy. What is that? Wacken Hut, that private military operation that's involved in the octopus with Danny Castler. Oh, Jesus Christ. I knew it. I knew it. JJ, I shared a clip when they, when they found out about this guy that had pulled him over on a traffic stop or something and they investigated his house. And he was doing some dom or type stuff. They found like drums

1:47:42of acid. And he was probably dissolving the corpses and stuff. Which by the way, we know Jeff was programmed to kill. His dad was probably helping him. But anyways, that's I digress. That's the same with this guy. You know, the same with this guy Raymond Horses. Who's his daddy? What did Eugene Horses? Who's his daddy? What did he do? That's Raymond Horses. It's literally Jeff 2.0 except he wasn't doing dudes. He was doing chicks. Well, we might even have a Jeff 3.0 because yesterday just out of Wisconsin, the Jeffery Dodgers told stomping grounds, if you will, in around that region, we get this case. Skulls, bones and a shrine to serial killers all found in a final act County home according to prosecutors. That shrine praising Wisconsin serial killer at Yen. The homeowner is already facing criminal charges in a stalking case. The investigation actually led to this discovery 12 News Nick Bore has a story. As Madison police investigated a thonda like County town of Cheetah Man accused of stalking his

1:48:43long ago girlfriend, their attention turned to what they found in his basement. According to the Dane County criminal complaint against 47 year old Benjamin Larson, police found a padlocked plywood room with a bed and quote, multiple framed images of nude females, skulls and skeletons covering the walls. My question to you. Is he grave robin or is he murdering bitches? That's a great question. I'm not sure the local authorities up there give a shit. So just like the the Horses house of horrors in Philadelphia, law enforcement has been intimately familiar with that property by all records going back four decades with the horse family owning at the entire time. There's no there's no question about its document. I assume I haven't gotten to the record yet, but I assume out of this case, they're entry-clean from mayor with this Larson fellow's house. Because as we'll see in this news report, this just popped off yesterday. They're not really

1:49:44doing a lot to investigate it. Continues quote on higher shelves in the bedroom were five human skulls and one partial skull along with two large bones in the shape of a cross. The finds had found a lack county detectives here quickly asking a judge for a search warrant of their own to investigate crimes that could reach far beyond stalking. According to that search warrant obtained by 12 news found a lack county detectives collected the human remains to determine quote exactly what they are, what time period they are from and whether they were acquired through illegal means. It continues quote, it is of concern that Benjamin Larson had these human remains on display amongst naked photos of unidentified women and with binders of women he had been stalking, especially since no clear explanation of how he came to be in possession of each of them was provided. He's out on bond, $15,000 bond. I see more people get a higher bond for DUI.

1:50:48This is the this is the program to kill. Exactly because how many times did the did people call and tip the police off on Jeff? His apartment is victim victim victim back. They found a naked trying them in with the skull with a hole in his skull bleeding and blood coming out of his anus. Jeff you lost your sex victim here Jeff we'll bring back to you. His dad was definitely helping him and so was so this Eugene guy's dad was definitely helping him. This is all fits the narrative. This stalker guy is like a Gian, Gray, Rob and Necrophyliac, stalking weirdo. He's got a binder. Wait, man, he's got photos of unidentified naked women. He's got skulls. We're not sure if it says women's skulls or not yet, right? The room with the the cross and the in the in the ritualistic aspect sounds just like dombers. Sounds just like Dahmer, but the thing is they said we need to see if he procured these

1:51:50linkily. Well how the fuck else do you procure skeleton? Right right well yeah it's not really legal. It's a procura skeleton. It don't hit me with the oh he could have went to it could have been a it's a Halloween proper. He went to the lab storing got bought a skeleton in this fuck you guys. Right. Do you remember? Do you know anything about her baumeister? Yeah they just never some reports on him. I just read it today too. He's back in the news. Back in the news. They found a fuck skeleton with the skull and his son brought it up to the house with a skull on his stake and showed his mom. Nobody did anything. This is the program to kill stuff. I'm to I'm always talking about and he heard baumeister. It was the local owner of grocery stores. Right? He had a number of grocery stores. He had a lot. Yeah that's a great no that's a grocery store around here.

1:52:53It's like a thrifty grocery store. I've been I've been to I've been to a save a lot grocery store. He he ripped the name off actually. He did like a goodwill situation and he would go to auctions and like a a a state sells and he would like pick up odds and ends and he would sell. Lots of things are like a big thing. Right. And he would call it save a lot. He ripped the name off. It wasn't a grocery store. It was thrift stores but I did not realize I got to revisit that case because that's that one. No one really wants to look at right like that's always like little two parter on an old her bow myster because he's connected actually with a ring of fox that was up and down in Ohio Indiana. JJ it's vast and it's deep and it's disgusting but anyway skeletons all over the place they found 50,000 bone fragments all over the dam farm and again I don't want to tangent too much but when does it become a question when a man who owns

1:53:55thrift stores owns a horse farm with no horses and they find him bodies all over the place and it's like herb why don't you own a horse farm and you don't have any horses and you got fucking skeletons all over your backyard like this nobody asked themselves like what like JJ why would you buy a horse farm and you ain't got a fucking horse. Right. Well there's definitely again it's like the horse family or probably this Larson guy's house right in the horse house of horse and filly there's obviously a history that goes on with local authorities in these places they're well known places they're they're being utilized for probably various purposes I'm sure this horse farm kind of falls in the same category right Indiana's serial killers 18 acre properties littered with 10,000 human remains still hide secrets on it like they just don't care do that. They don't and he was working in a ring don't you forget it baby they they were finding bodies all up and down this

1:54:55ravine in Ohio when herb procured the horse farm the bodies stopped showing up and then they find all these bodies at herbs farm it was a dump site okay they were all working together they helped herb was unemployed for a considerable period of time before he bought this multi-million dollar horse farm who helped them get it and why these should be questions on everyone's fucking mind right yeah there wasn't on a closure it's like he got he got investigated randacan and then committed suicide is the story right he he didn't commit suicide he's either still alive or they killed him because there's no way he committed suicide he was making snuff films they found a box of tapes and then the tapes disappeared and nobody can find the tapes um you know his dad kept admitting him in the mental facilities one right after the other he was only he and this group

1:55:59was only stocking gay men and he was very close nearby the area where Jeff was on the prow all at the same time period so you got Jeff and her going after gay men well don't forget John Wayne Gacy well Gacy I think was before this I'm talking 90s so this would have been Jeff oh you're right you're right working in the same uh modus arandaya I guess they would meet gay guys at the bar take them back to their place and dismember them but they're well then again that is that is domes him yeah right that is domes him and gacy doing certain degree I do know this one of the victims from the gacy victims and one of the domer victims came from the same gay club and Milwaukee one of the victims of herb and one of the victims of Jeff came from the same bar get the fuck out of here we're gonna have to talk we have to come back here again man we'll have to die more into that herb balmy's absolutely I'm happy to to pontificate for days on her balmyster

1:57:02because he's coming back up in the news and it's for today yeah they even have some new shit on them yeah mm-hmm mm-hmm and yeah this story JJ so it's it's it's it's wow I can't even begin to tell you how convoluted this story is and there's a character there's a character in this whole story his name is smart good year and he recently did an interview I think in like 2023 or 2024 and his ass is definitely involved he all but told on himself during the interview oh yeah it's it's ridiculous what's up with the new owner of that property he seems suspect I'm ever looking into him of the balmyster property yeah you and baby daddy have similar suspicions that he's somehow connected to all

1:58:04the suspect so cobe I like yeah I like the way his brain homework I'll tell him I'll tell him you guys are on the same link because he he told me he said if you're gonna cover this you need to talk about the guy who owns the property now because there's something up with him and I was like yeah something right something right maybe for sure but we we can definitely revisit that in an upcoming episode it's it'll be a little episode so just prepare yourself sounds like a real barren burn man but tonight's been a real barren burn I appreciate your time and thoughts and thoughts on these matters and as we can see this was the big news in 2016 the summer when Clement Freud died they're suddenly over in the UK asking the public asking the question well why is he all connected why do you get all friendly with the McCanns so you know these things are never seem to get resolved though do they this herb balmyster thing the McCann thing I think part of that seems to be to be able to produce future content which to make advertising dollars on etc right it's an operation and it it re-traumatizes and it let's just say let's just say and then I got to

1:59:12probably to ski down a lot of here because I gotta go do mom stuff but let's just say these victims are murdered in a very ritualistic way to bring about a certain result and every time the case gets recharged and images and photos of these people get repopularized and sensationalized year after year documentary after documentary it's not because it's like all some random loony if I can kill his wife in a fit of rage because she was a button pushing cut no it's always these cases where it's very ritualistic and it's very significant and these are the cases that get repopularized or we're an over again or they're the cold cases that are will never be solved to like John Bane and Madeline McCann it's never just some weird crackhead who stabbed his friend in the side of the neck while he was high on dope no it's always these cases

2:00:16right right the ones to get pushed to the forefront right mm-hmm it's like you're I think you get down to the one thing I ask about all these cases is why is this like why is this remain unsolved why do they continue to make endless documentaries podcast newspaper accounts tv shows and nothing gets resolved and again it's it's like it's the ritual every time it gets back up thank you man that's exactly there you my brain hole that's exactly how it's going it re it recharges the ritual right every time it gets brought up so that's why I say it's never just like rant like because people can randomly murder that's fine I watch for ins and files people randomly murder all the time but those cases are just I guess she was murdered so what life moves on it's all these very specific ritualistic cases and you know in the herb-bound meister they never found any of the skulls so really 10,000 bone fragments but not one skull JJ not I didn't know there was no skulls in

2:01:19that that's even more bizarre so as I said before they repopularized the ritualistic cases where the fucking heads and what did they do with them we may never know but every time this case gets brought up it recharges the ritual I think that's a great point ma'am in a great way in the show I thank you for joining me here tonight to get old GCD and I want to thank you folks at the interwebs I look forward to talking more about my stuff you're already hitting with some new details definitely skulls are used for the temples or they're at this fucking douche bag and bondelac was got you and these some skulls and now a guy in fondelac you'll get you a skull he's out on bond right now 15,000 other bond and he's got all the herb skulls thank you so much for having me JJ it was a blast yes ma'am always I appreciate it and on your way out I have to warn you and everyone else of the interwebs out there there's been a watch out out there watch your six stay vigilant there's been some upticks and cookie monster violence out there

2:02:25oh oh catch you folks next week and catch you next time ma'am I appreciate it and look forward to the future conversation thank you well that's it that's the show here folks so the next time you're out on the town visiting your local watering holes or perhaps just manoring around and you hear the unmistakable sounds of metal clanking and you spot signs of a disturbance but check your six look in that garbage can because you never can tell the GCDs maybe a little

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