Joe Rogan Experience _2299 - Dave Smith

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1:01Joe Rogan, what are you guys checking out? The Joe Rogan Experience Dramed by Dave Joe Rogan Park Gas by Night All day Good to see you, kids, sir. Good to see you, too, man. Good to see you again these times of trouble. Chaos. Wild, wild times. We're leftists or lightened tessels on fire and putting swastikas on them. And that's the commas they've been in years. This is actually for them probably the best. It's so weird how these people are so easy to wind up and get them to do what you want them to do. Just put a narrative out there. You're a good person if you go do this and they just go run out and fucking cause chaos. And it's the most, I mean, look, it's not like as much chaos as say like the Black Lives Matter protest in 2020 or something. But the one about the tess, it's like you're destroying electric cars. Which are mostly owned by liberals. Yeah, but but I thought you've been telling me for so long that this is going to save the world.

2:01Like the importance on going green was that we're all going to die unless we do it. And now you're taking the most successful electric car company and trying to destroy them. Because for the crime of pointing out that maybe the $7 trillion that our federal government spending has a wee bit of corruption in it. You know, like maybe we could cut some of that. So I don't know. It's so on every level. It's just so surreal. It is surreal. It feels fake. It does. It genuinely feels like we're living in some sort of a stupid movie. Yeah. But it makes you wonder. It makes you wonder how controlled the whole thing is. And I don't know. I don't know. But there is a. Do you remember? I think I sent it to you at the time. But there was like four years ago. There was a time magazine piece about the 2020 election. It was like a real long article about it was something like the title was something like how the shadow government like stole it. It wasn't exactly that. But it was like basically went through the real conspiracy of 2020.

3:06And they're writing it from the pro conspiracy point of view. But they're forget anything about like ballots or any of that stuff which I don't. You know, even when you interviewed Trump, you didn't really have a good answer for that. You know, it's like it was stolen. And you know, how do you know it was stolen? It was like it was stolen. You know, that the information. Yeah, but the but what we do know, like the real conspiracy and broad daylight that they just totally like tanked the economy. Yeah, that's it. The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election. And they go deep into like admitting so much about like the censorship on social media. The support of the riots and the protests. And what's amazing about it is it really is incredible their ability to turn on and turn off the protest machine. Well, it's just money. Yeah, yeah, it's just money. There's a lot of people out there that have nothing to do. There are a bunch of we were talking about the other day. I was like if I was 21 years old and someone said, hey, they're going to pay $400 to go to a Kamala Harris rally.

4:10Would you go? What fuck yeah? I go. I hold that sign up. I probably vote for 21. When I was 21, you had me at $400. The conversation was over. It's over. It's over $400. How did you get a thousand to go protest for Tesla? You got to sneak in both of those. Can we do one? Yeah, 1400 in a day. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I was I mean, I was thrilled when I was 25 to make like 75 bucks at the comic strip or something like that. So yeah, but also it's a you know, it's like and that's kind of like the whole CIA deep state game is it's always moving around the margins. You know, like if you if there's because like when I you know on the show, I've talked about a bunch like the made on revolution in Ukraine. And when I when I'd say like this was a US backed coup against a democratically elected president, the response I get from people who disagreed with it would always be like, oh, you're denying the agency of the Ukrainian people because like look at these pictures. There's all these Ukrainian people in the streets and you're like, well, yeah, but the US poured $100 million into that street protest.

5:13Like you think that made a difference a little bit, you know, and so like it's not that there weren't real people there. Sure, but man, you want to keep a protest going through the Ukrainian winter and then all of a sudden you get $100 million and now you got heat lamps and celebrities and concerts and then you keep the whole thing going until the democratically elected president has to flee for his fucking life. And then what are you supposed to look at that? Oh, that was just an organic revolution. Like no fucking wasn't. You know, this is DC overthrowing Putin's neighbor. And you know, they don't like that detail because then it fucks up the whole unprovoked. Yeah, people don't like that detail. They don't like the detail that there's many layers of subterfuge inter exchanging with each other. There's just so much money and so much influence and they're so good at it. They've been doing it for so long that they can get time magazine to write an article saying how it's good. Yeah, it's great. It's good that we saved the 2020 election.

6:14And by the way, I love. I know your your podcast with Mike Benz was phenomenal. That dude's great. He's phenomenal. He's done a few of them now. Yeah, he's great. But I'll tell you I already I knew all that he's right about all that USAID stuff and I'll tell you that was the whole it's Scott Horton's book provoked, which is like the best book that's been written on the history of the build up to the war in Ukraine. And it was it's all in there, dude. It's all footnoted, but it's like, yeah, they're the ones pumping all this money in. And then they make it out like when you when you try to cut it, they're like, I know we're just helping some kids get on a school bus over here and over throwing the democratically elected government in Ukraine. You know, we did we did all of that. Well, that's the beautiful thing about USAID. You know, it's like they had the money to do all the stuff. The money to do essentially whatever they want over the world and the way Mike Benz describes it as the stuff that's too dirty for the CIA. Yeah, well, and so they can have plausible deniability too because like when you talk about an organization. Yeah, there you go. That's yeah, exactly. It's like in the name. They might as well call it though like we're not the CIA. The good guy. We're just George Soros's NGO, not the CIA at all.

7:26Totally removed. But also the thing is that you know, when you look at like the actual money because sometimes they'll they'll kind of point out that. They're like, oh, this is a very small percentage of the budget. And it's like, yeah, this is money. Well, right. It's a small percentage of our budget. But our budget. I mean, the I know the entire GDP of Russia is like $2 trillion. The entire economy. And I don't know what Ukraine is, but smaller than that. And we spend like between six and seven trillion dollars a year, just our government. So when you're talking about flooding in a hundred million dollars, flooding in a few billion, I think like it's like five or six billion dollars since 91 we put into Ukraine. That may not sound like that much money in the context of America, the biggest economy or the second biggest economy in the world. But it's fall in Jeep country. And during the driving to fall sales event, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained like Jeep Wrangler.

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9:36After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand get a great deal during the Jeep driving to fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, Jeep and the Jeep Grill Register Trademarks of FCA US LLC. Politically, in a small country like Ukraine, that moves mountains. That changes the entire landscape when the world empires pumping that type of money in. What do you think the world looks like though if the United States doesn't do that? So if the United States doesn't, this is like the Mike Baker perspective, right? Like if the United States doesn't make friends with these dictators, if the United States doesn't put people or sympathetic to our causes, in power, China does, Russia does, it looks very bad for America all over the world, things get dangerous. It's almost, almost always the war hawks rely on an unfalsifiable counterfactual, you know, so it's like, oh, but if we didn't do this and we ran the counterfactual, it would be this crazy other scenario that somehow even worse than this.

10:41Now the problem with that from my perspective is number one, the factual scenario is like something like four to five million dead civilians over the last 25 years, entire nations destroyed $8 trillion depleted from the US Treasury, tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out. So, you know, if you're relying on this unfalsifiable counterfactual, but it would have been worse if we hadn't fought a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and Somalia and Yemen and all these places over the last years, it okay. I'd say the onus is on you to really have to demonstrate that and not just assert that it would be worse if we hadn't done this, but also like, you know, we're going broke doing it. Like, we're $36 trillion in debt, we can't even afford it. And the idea that if we were to get out of the game of being the world empire, then like China would go, okay, great. Now we get to destroy ourselves and it just seems completely, it seems extremely unlikely that that would be the case.

11:50And also, you know, it's like people act like, okay, if we weren't doing this in Ukraine, then Vladimir Putin could do whatever he wanted to, or if we weren't doing this, then China could do whatever they wanted to, but they've got adversaries all around them too who are richer than them, maybe not in China's case, but certainly in Putin's case, richer than them are opposed to them. There's an all of Western Europe is not just a pushover, not China has Japan and South Korea, and they've got their own, you know, the truth is that there's nobody has the power that the US government has to do this shit. It's only like we're the ones who can do this and it would just be a better world if we just didn't. Like, you just can't convince me that like, if we just hadn't fought the terror wars, which was totally a possibility. We could have, we had the whole war on terrorism could have been over by Christmas of 2001 with the special ops taken out the al Qaeda cells, they could have trapped Osama bin Laden and Toriborah when they had them there, and they let him escape into Pakistan.

12:52Because, you know, if you, what do you think they did that? They already had their eye on Baghdad. And, you know, if Osama bin Laden is caught, you don't get your bonus war. You know what I mean? He's got the whole, the whole war propaganda for invading Afghanistan. It wasn't everyone remembers WMDs, but it wasn't just that claim. It was the claim which Dick Cheney and George W Bush and all the Neocons pushed real hard was that he was in on 9-11. Now, this totally fell apart because it was never true and they knew it wasn't true. But the claim was he's got these weapons and he could hand them off to the terrorists. And then, you know, what was the Condoleezza rice line was like, we don't want the warning to be in the form of a mushroom cloud or something like that. Like the fear was they're going to Newt Kansas or whatever. As soon as Saddam Hussein gives the weapons he doesn't have to the terrorists he's not friends with. But if they caught Osama bin Laden, I think that would have that would have destroyed the whole seven wars in five years.

13:52It's the last of the Clark strategy. You want to hear something else on the Wednesday's Clark thing? This is new. So, Pierce Morgan, say what you will about him. He hosted a debate between, which I love doing the show, not treasuring it, but it's a circus. It is a circus. I think he's very smart. Oh, he's genius. I mean, he's a fucking lot of people lining up. He is he figured out and I you got to give him so much credit because he's probably the only one from like the old guard of corporate media who figured it out. He went, okay, I see where we are. Yes, I see what's going on. And I know what people want to see. Tucker figured out two, but in a different way, Tucker is actually. Yes, Tucker is basically doing this kind of a show. Yes. Yeah, no, I think you do long form podcast. Well, look, but with people who sucked Obama's dick. And other various experts and other really really really amazing people, maybe 10% of the coverage is about who sucked Obama's.

14:53Do you see that physician who is on the other day that was talking about all the cancer rises? Yeah, as you can cancer. I didn't watch the whole thing. I saw a few clips from it. It's very very interesting. Crazy. They're seeing pancreatic cancer and kids, little kids, which is just unheard of. He was saying that in all of his career, he had never seen pancreatic cancer in a child before. Right. And now they're seeing it. Well, they, I mean, they used to call type two diabetes adult onset diabetes because it was like the kids don't get it. It was like unheard of. And now it's like all over the place. Right. I saw that thing. I saw it because you posted it, but the Kaley means. Yes. So crazy. So great. Wasn't it fucking amazing? It's just amazing that they're arguing against this. Well, there's like no argument. And like I'm far from I don't really understand the shit that well. But you go, okay. It's crazy that Bobby Kennedy is overhauling this whole thing and cutting all this. And you're like, okay, okay.

15:53We spend more on health than any other nation in the world by far. And we're the sickest. Yeah. You're telling me there should and your position here. It just like exposes that the entire media. It's like your position here is to get in between the regime and any threat to the regime. It's also radical change and radical change causes controversy and controversies what they sell. Right. Yeah. So the media is going to sell that and they're going to sell it on the angle of this is creating all sorts of problems, all sorts of people who lose in their jobs, budgets are getting cut, people are getting fire. They're out on the street. It's that like that. It's just what they they have to do that. That is what if you're doing television media, newsprint media, subscription media, that's part of your job. Well, but you could also get huge ratings by covering the controversy. That is we spend more money and have the worst outcomes. Can't do it. Can't do it because you get too much money from the pharmaceutical companies. That's right. But that's the point. All right. Callie means point it that out. Right. And I mean, look, if the if the media was just driven by ratings, they'd be doing shows on Jeffrey Epstein every day.

17:02Every day. I mean, because they would you be the number one show in cable. You could go, I'm going to talk about no other topic. Give me the eight PM hour on MSNBC or CNN or Fox News or whatever. And I'll say I'm just going to make my show about Jeffrey Epstein. That's the every single day. That's all we're doing. I guarantee you that I've number one show in cable news. Right. More people would want to watch that. Candace Owens show. It's on you too. Yeah. That's right. And it's doing better numbers than any of the shows on cable news. It's phenomenal. It's like they created a monster with her when they when they fired her from the daily wire, they created a monster. Yeah, they sure did. She can't be stopped. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. There's no stopping. She's hitting all the fucking third rails that no one wants to touch. She's got a six hour presentation on how Bridget McCroon is a man. It's fucking six hours plus long. I don't know if she's even kind of right about that. She's got a lot of shit to say on it. Brow she would be getting sued right now instead of trying to try to briber instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up. Yeah, they would sue her. Yeah.

18:09You're probably right about that. I don't know the arch doing. Have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed some bullshit. I'm sure she's dealing with several. I'm pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I might be wrong. Yeah, I think she's right. The whole thing stinks and with stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent from McCroon just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years. And the front runner, not just the number one opponent, the one who's winning. Winning. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. It's what they try to do to Trump plus. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, they were able to take it further. Yeah. And we'll see if there's the backlash the same way there was when they tried to do that to Trump. And it's just so it's like the. There's some propaganda that's like almost two. It can't be successful propaganda like saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and is in bed with terrorists. That's good propaganda right there.

19:10Right after 9-11, you could totally convince the average American that okay, well, we can't let that stand. You know, in a post 9-11 world, we can't allow some Arab dictator to have nuclear weapons and he's friends with the terrorists and he's in on 9-11. Okay. We got. But to say the propaganda is democracy is on the ballot while you're trying to arrest your opponent because he's winning in the polls. That's just like it's too ridiculous. It's too un-only that you have to say what you're arresting him for. It's fall in Jeep country and during the drive into fall sales event get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained like Jeep Wrangler. Confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever Jeep Grand Cherokee and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and Jeep gladiator. For 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand. Get a great deal during the Jeep drive into fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, even the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCAUS LLC.

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21:27And nobody's ever been tried on this chart. This is a novel like a charge where it would be a misdemeanor, but you've ramped it up to a felony. And there's no victim to and there's no victim involved. The banks themselves are telling you, right? We were happy to do business Donald Trump. And we got paid. Yeah, we got our money back. There's no victims at all. And it's what every real estate agent does. Every real estate salesman, every real estate investor. Yeah, it's just value their properties. And your property is essentially only worth what people are willing to pay for it. Yeah, I mean, it's so obvious that they were just weaponizing the legal systems that go after. But it's so crazy. Like they tried to save Mar-a-Lago was only worth 18 million. Yeah, it's all the same. I would buy it right away. If someone told me you could get Mar-a-Lago for 18 million, I call my accountant right now. I'd go, don't lose this. Jump on this. Dude, we do some powercasts. Why are the money I'm moving to Florida.

22:28It's just bring down Austin. You're good. Everybody. I don't have the call with Jamie. He'd be like, fuck. Yeah, you go. You thought you had some uncomfortable summers here. You already often. A lot of golf in Florida. A lot of golf in Florida. I like some parts of Florida. Florida is fun. Well, I don't think Trump's selling. And I don't think you're getting it for 18 million. I'd like to live around alligators again. It's exciting. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. We all want to do the best for our dogs, but there's a lot of mixed messaging out there, especially around dog food. Take Kibble, for example. You don't have to do a lot of digging to learn that Kibble is actually ultra processed. They put the words like premium on their bag next to pictures of real ingredients, but food doesn't end up as burnt down pellets without extreme processing. For decades, it was the default dog food, but not anymore. The farmer's dog is healthy food made with real meat and vegetables by people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The recipes are developed by board certified nutritionists to be complete and balanced. And their food is made to the same safety standards as human food.

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24:54Now this plan obviously didn't end up happening in five years, but it's literally he names seven countries and there's one to go. And that one, by the way, happens to be the one that Donald Trump is flirting with a war with right now around all the way. Israeli news reported today that a strike on Iran is imminent. Yeah, oh, yeah, no, there's I mean, the word. It's. We're very clearly moving toward this war yet another catastrophic war, but so Wesley Clark gets asked about this in the debate and he goes, oh, it actually goes back much further than that. He goes, I first saw the plans in 1991 and it came from Paul Wolffowitz, okay, so it goes Paul Wolffowitz had these plans in 1991 and he took them to Brent Scowcroft, who was a George H. W. Bush's national security advisor. So he takes them and according to Wesley Clark, again, my source on this is a four star general. He says that Scowcroft went, we'll look at this after the election. 92 is the election year. They lose Bill Clinton comes in and he goes and the plan kind of got killed and then he said it was revived later in a study paid for by the Israelis.

26:01And that this was done that Richard Pearl was really the one who brought it back to life and that it was explicitly done because this is what they thought was necessary to protect Israel. And like as I've mentioned to you before, now I don't know exactly what study he's referring to, but he said that's what he said, but I do know as I've mentioned before in this that anybody can go read the clean break. Google it written a clean break a new strategy for securing the realm, which was a letter written by the guy he mentioned Richard Pearl and David Worms are two Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996 was his first year when he came in as prime minister. And the whole thing is basically the clean break is a break from the peace process, the break from Oslo because essentially Bill Clinton had gotten Yitzhak Rabin and Arifat to agree to like start this two state solution process. That should be loosely based around 67 borders. You got to finally give these Palestinians a state you've been occupying them since 1967. You got to finally take your boot off their neck and the clean break strategy was to go listen, we got to get away from this whole idea of a Palestinian state and given them land and basically the thinking the Etaq Rabin old school thinking on this loosely speaking, it's a little more complicated.

27:16But basically they were like, look, we've been occupying the Palestinians for decades and decades now the broader Arab world hates us over our treatment of the Palestinians. And so what you got to do is you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can get along with all these Arab states around you. That was kind of the thinking and the clean break strategy was like, no, no, no, we're going to reverse that instead of making peace with the Palestinians so that we get along with the Arab states surrounding us. What we're going to do is we're going to overthrow all of those states so we never have to make peace with the Palestinians. So we never have to have a two state solution. What we'll just do is we'll go overthrow all of these governments. Of course Israel can't go overthrow all of these governments, but the US can. And so after not they had these plans in according to Wesley Clark in 91 we know about the clean break memo in 96, but after 9-11 that's when by a terrible twist of fate and all the shit the Neocons are in power.

28:18They're in George W. Bush's but there is no Brent Scowcroft. There is no HW. There's nobody with like a little bit of wisdom at the top. It's Dick Cheney at the top and then his sidekick George W. Bush and they go, so now we're going to move to get this. Do you remember when Dick Cheney was in the bunker and W wasn't? Yeah, that's when we knew it was up. Yeah, yeah, that'll tell you something. We were informed that he was in the bunker, which is so crazy like why would you say where the guy everyone's trying to kill is hiding? Yeah, are you that confident in your bunker and where's this bunker? What is it look like? Can I get a fucking MTV cribs to where this bunker? What's going on with the bunker? And look, man, and then just and you could see now where there's like so much. There's such a rise in people being so fed up with with this stuff, but the idea that we're now, I mean look just even with this whole signal gate shit that just happened. It's like the real scandal there isn't even I mean, I do think that Mike Walt should be fired over this. I mean, it's a crazy screw up and it's totally embarrassing.

29:27How do you how do you do that? I mean, I don't understand how you do that. It doesn't make any sense to me. Did you see his interview? But it is a signal chat between high level government officials with classified information that's being discussed about war plants. They would claim it's not classified, but it was information about an eminent attack that's about to take place. How does that have to be? How does that not classify? If that's not classified, somebody else should get fired. Yeah, but at the end of the day, you have, I believe there was 18 people in that chat, is that correct? Yeah, yeah. And enjoy big savings with Red Hot deals at Vons and Albertsons. This week at Vons and Albertsons, baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership where applicable limit 3 racks. And ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns 8 count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless watermelons or canalope are 199 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save.

30:55Enjoy big savings with Red Hot deals at Vons and Albertsons. This week at Vons and Albertsons, baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership where applicable limit 3 racks. And ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns 8 count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless watermelons or canalope are 199 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. No one goes over those things before you start addressing this information. If Jamie and I were talking shit about someone and we decided to do it on signal, like I would make sure that I didn't accidentally include my mom or a fucking reporter I know or the Trump himself who sees your enemy, like the person who hates you the most.

32:01How could you even have that guy in your contact list? Like what's going on? And also like how do you accidentally include someone? And the chat is, I mean, this is, you can't overstate it short of the president of the United States. It's the most senior positions. You have to see I'm going over the list before you go live. It's unbelievable. But I will say that like that and perhaps there's another element. I mean, I don't know, you know, I don't exactly know. I know in Trump's first term, the efforts from his own government to sabotage him were profound. They were claiming him. Yeah, I mean, they were they were framing him for being a Russian spy, his own intelligence agencies. And so when you have a conversation like this, get leaked to the most anti-Trump propagandist at the Atlantic, it does raise some questions like. Was this done intentionally? Was it not? Whoopsies. Yeah, it's and I don't know if you saw, but Waltz was he did Laura Ingram show. Like a couple days after it came out. And I mean his answers were just ridiculous.

33:07What is that? It was like, she was like, so was this a staffer who messed up with someone and it goes, no, no, no, you know, I take full responsibility. But it was, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have a contact with the wrong number saved in the contact or something like that. Yeah, but you don't include that. Yeah, but also every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, oh, wow, look at all the dead people on my phone. Right. I have a lot of dead people on my phone. It's so sad. But I have a lot of friends that I look through my contact list. I'm like, fuck, he's gone. It's, you know, like, and I have to make the decision. Do I delete them from my contact list? Generally, I don't, I like to see in their names. Yeah, I know it's, I have an old message from an old boss of mine. I keep the phone just because it's got the voicemail on it. Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you keep things that you don't need. I have contacts for people that are not just dead, but people that are dead to me. You know what I mean? Like, why do I have them in there? Sure. I don't talk to that guy anymore.

34:08Like, but you don't add them to a fucking chat list. That doesn't make any sense. Well, right. And also, and he was claiming like the idea of which I'm sure has happened to all of us before where like maybe you're taking down someone's number and you enter it wrong. So like, but that wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic journalist guy's number. No, he was, he had to be in contact with that guy. Well, he claims he's never been in contact with him. He's never met him. He's never. By the way, then they found pictures of him together at like different events. So he's already lying. Yeah, he's already lying. It's not, but I will say like that. It's like with a lot of these things. It, you know, there was like a, which we've talked about before on the show, but there's the leaked Victoria Nuel and phone call where she's deciding who the new government in Ukraine will be. Right. Right around the two. Okay. And then at one point, she's furious at the European Union for not like moving in faster. And she goes, at one point, she goes, you know, fuck the European Union. We'll just do it ourselves.

35:08We should play that recording. Sure. Cause it's so crazy. But the point is that the, um, the scandal became that she said, fuck the EU. And you're like, no, no, no, dude, that's not the scandal here. That's not, they're like, isn't this undiplomatic of her saying fuck the European Union. That's the least of what's interesting about this. Isn't it interesting that Congress people swear now? It's very bizarre. Everybody's swearing. Yeah. Everybody's like, fuck this. Call people retards. It's great. Well, it's, it's like they lost. They were trying to play that like Donald Trump's like down here. And we're the digger. And then that didn't work. So they were like, I guess we'll just try to be like him. Fuck Elon Musk. Yeah. Everybody's excited again. It's interesting. They're, they're adopting podcast language is what it is. Yes. But it's, um, I don't think it's going to be successful for them because what they're not adopting is the authenticity of it. And it comes off as kind of like, um, it goes, oh, now you're doing this. Like after all these years of pretending you were all formal and everything was about decorum and how Donald Trump was an embed. He wasn't presidential enough.

36:11And now you're like, oh, so you never really believed any of that shit. It's like, it's like them trying to turn on the woke stuff. It's like it just does. It's too long. Right. You were so married to this for too long. You, you gave up your authenticity for too long. Yeah. And we're not, let's like a Chris Cuomo type deal. It's, it's like, it's like, it's a, it's a, it's a war and drinking the beer. But like not doing it right. You know, putting like a whole mouth over a bottle of beer. I want people to get better. Right. So if you were a propagandist and you like, you know, this is bullshit. But there's examples of those people out there that are legitimate. Yeah. And then there's also people that realize like, oh, well, that job is over. I can't do that anymore. Now I have to be something different. Let me try to be authentic. Yes. But you can, people can read that, man. They can tell. They can tell. They're never going to fully be authentic. You're always going to hold something back. You're always going to, you're going to say things because you want people to think of you a certain way rather than. Okay. This is uncomfortable. But this is how I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Oh, but so, so anyway, just on the signal thing though. Again, like the real scandal here is not that they, whatever, either intentionally or were just so incompetent that they added this journalist to it and it got leaked.

37:24The real scandal is like when you look through the chat and that it's like, what are we? Because what are we doing here? We're bombing another country in the Middle East. We're bombing the poorest country in the Middle East. Yeah. By the way, which has been bombed forever. Oh my god. On behalf of Israel, because they're standing up against this fucking brutal war in Gaza right now. And so we're going to bomb these guys again. And then you have like, I got to say, man, like I was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbards response there. Someone who I've, you know, said a lot of nice things about over the years and who I really supported as being the, the DNI. But like literally only JD Vance is the only one who offers the mild pushback and goes, Hey, guys, this is kind of a mistake. And it's kind of everything against what Donald Trump ran on. And by the way, like it's like such an insignificant amount of our trade that even goes through this area. It's really Europe's problem, not ours. But I'll go along with it if you guys want to. If you guys say, and then they literally say on the thing, they go, we've.

38:24We've tracked the missile guy, as they call them, this is the target. They're trying to take out. They go, we've tracked into his girlfriends apartment building. And so we'll level the apartment building. And then Tulsi Gabbards just like job well done team. Everybody's cheering it on. There's not like nobody. Nobody even has the thought to go like, you know, like any. Is there a way we could do this without like murdering on an entire entire apartment buildings worth of people here? Is there a way man? This is a lot like it's like to none. To none of you guys even kind of believe in God or none of you even scared that maybe God exists in that like Jesus Christ. What are we doing here? There's none of that. There's not a feeling of that. There's not a sense of like we're and you know, and I've talked about this before on the show. But we go the whole history of the war in Yemen going all the way back to Obama's first term. I mean, what we've done to this country, the poorest country in the Middle East. I mean, there it was a goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen. I mean, it was the drone bomb campaign from Obama was bad enough.

39:25But the Saudi invasion and the blockade and the war on the civilian population, you know hundreds of thousands of people died. Hundreds of thousands of cases of like cholera and these other like very easily preventable and treatable diseases that they just babies were just dying of because they had a full blockade around the country. Are not the US Navy fucking enforcing the blockade the US fucking refueling the Saudi fighter jets and backing them the whole war there. And the idea that we think what launch in a couple Tomahawks is going to break the Houthis after they went through all that shit. There's no chance. Like it's not you're just killing people for no strategic benefit. There's the only thing that would actually like we could overthrow the Houthis if we wanted to invade the country with the US military could do that. But like short of that the idea that you have to do that's like a big public thing which is bombing somehow or another especially drone bombing. Sort of like is in the ether. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's almost abstract. Yeah, like you don't like if we sent a this

40:27tier one team to go take this dude out that would be front page notes. That would be like an act of war. That would be a good thing. We're declaring war on this country. We've invaded their land with actual boots on the ground. It's different for some weird reason like you're allowed to use flying robots remote controlled by drone operators who by the way have some of the weirdest fucking PSD. Yeah, PTSD rather. These people are all fucked up for a long time because they watch these folks because they're watching these folks. They know the people around they get to know they watch them for days. They see them hug their kids. And then they get that fucking call and you don't get any of the and I don't know I mean I'm just kind of speculating here I'm not no psychologist. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. Sometimes speed is a huge asset like in the ring or on the field being quicker than your opponent could be the difference between winning and losing. In the world of business it could be the difference between finding or missing out on your next great hire. Luckily you can speed up the hiring process

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42:31But there's something I think where like if you're in the fight if you're in the action, you know you it. It like a lot of different you know primal things are going to kick up like you're you know as all the troops say I've talked to a whole lot of them. It's almost unanimous to a man that they always say the thing you're fighting for once you get there is your brother next to you. Like it's not even it's like forget the mission or whatever. It's like you fuck this is your guy right here. And you guys are going into make sure your buddy doesn't get his leg blown off or whatever. But when you don't you don't have any of that there aren't bullets whizzing at you. There's not your friend next to you. There's not this like sense of like I had to do what I had to do and they said when you're watching it on a monitor from a safe distance. Yeah, I think there's some way that that fucks you up on a whole different level. It's got to it's got to haunt your dreams. It has to. There's no other way. I mean you see a man holding his child and swing around in his arms and then you know you're going to blow that man and that kid to smithereens. Yeah. And you have to because the kids are near the dad and we got a kill that guy. And you got orders you know like that's a whole apartment building like what we're talking like thousands of people.

43:36But what are we talking about to get to this guy? Well, you know there's a mushroom sound boom. Yeah. Look, there's there's a clip that Tim Poole got like a real short interview with Donald Trump during the campaign. Like he I think he was the first one but it wasn't like a long form podcast like it was he was the first podcast. But he did like 20 minutes or something like that. But he did get this one clip at a Donald Trump on that thing where Donald Trump is is a eviscerating Joe Biden. For bombing the hoothies for the same exact reason because they were firing on shipping lands and Donald Trump's like what type of idiot is Joe Biden. I mean these guys their answer for everything is to drop bombs on it. Pick up a phone diplomacy can work here like you don't have to do this and the fact is that. Um there were during the ceasefire which Trump's envoy negotiated which is falling apart now but during the ceasefire. There were no hoothie attacks on the shipping lands like they stopped them and then when the ceasefire fell apart they picked them back up again now feel however you feel about that.

44:43I'm just saying there is a diplomatic solution here right like they they are willing to like if there's a ceasefire they will stop these attacks. But there's not a military solution short of invading the country and having yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East. And it's like so which one of those do you want to pick America first crowd I mean like Donald Trump was Donald Trump was explicitly elected for this reason as a repudiation of the foreign policy of the last 30 years that were like done with this we want to put America first and as you can see even JD Vance and then a little bit Pete Higgs at their only issue. You know it's never the innocent people being killed you know for a bunch of Christians I just kind of weird that that never comes up. But there their issue is oh this is us bailing out Europe because Europe actually relies more on these these shipping lands than the United States does by orders of magnitude. And but even that that is part of the America first thing that Donald Trump totally ran against like why is it that we have to put the bill for everybody else's defense there makes no sense.

45:47We're broke our country is in bad shape we need those resources here. What is the justification for these bombings what is the public justification that the Houthis have attacked a few US cargo ships and that there's you know that they're international trade they don't have a right to disrupt international trade in this way which is like okay it's it's true I mean the thing that I've seen the most is like that people will go well we can't just turn a blind eye to this aggression by the way. The Houthis but I also do think and I don't even blame people for this because it's nobody you know in the corporate media or it ever talked about any of this stuff or very rarely talked about it never really told the story that it's like yeah if you're just coming into the story now I could see where you might think the Houthis are the aggressors enjoy big savings with red hot deals at Vonson Albertsons this week at Vonson Albertsons baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership wear applicable limit three racks and ballpark hot dogs are hammering

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47:53But if you're winding the tape from this there is just no debate about it. I mean there's no question that we we literally started you know it wasn't 2009 when Obama started up with the drone bombing the then secret drone bombing campaign and Yemen was one of the major theaters you know this was where if you remember because they were it was like the biggest scandal of the Obama administration also not talked about much in the media but was talked about on a lot of podcasts was the on war a locky and his like 14 or 15 year old son is 2 American citizens were both killed by drone bombs in Yemen and this was caused a bit of an outrage among some people because you were like hey you know you really can't murder American citizens who have never been charged of a crime you can't just say. I just you know forget that whole billerites thing they're on my list and by the way the kid was not al Qaeda affiliated or anything and they claimed that that was an intentional but it sure seemed like it was but so Obama had a drone you know he was fighting at the time al Qaeda in the Arabian

49:00peninsula had like a presence in Yemen so he's drone bombing these these al Qaeda sites there I think the estimates were something like 95 to 96% of the people who died were not the targets so just killing a whole bunch of innocent people and then as always happens in these situations al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula just grew stronger and stronger and stronger because this is you know it's insurgent math like General McChrystal said you know you kill a bunch of innocent people and then you know you kill one little girl and she had three brothers and a father and two uncles and they all join up al Qaeda now because like fuck you they're gonna get you back for that shit everyone's radical yes so so we're doing this drone bomb campaign over there it's completely failing and al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula is just getting stronger and stronger at the same time Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of Yemen at the time this guy saw her and he was like listen if you let us do our fucking drone bombing campaigns in here we'll give you a whole bunch of weapons and and money and so it took the deal and then he used those weapons to go attack this group the Houthis and then he

50:06also started losing to them like even with the US weapons the Houthis were fucking him up and then little by little the Houthis like kind of took over the whole country and then in a now the Houthis are also enemies with al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula like these are radical Sunni's al Qaeda vs radical Shiites the Houthis and so their fucking enemies and they're fighting a civil war while all this is going on and then Saudi Arabia decided to invade in in early 2015 and it in 2015 and you can you could look this up if you google Obama to placate the Saudis these are literally what the Obama officials told told the New York Times I believe it was the New York Times they told them that literally this is why so Obama stabbed the Houthis in the back took Saudi Arabia side took al Qaeda side started fighting on the started using the fighting in a civil war against the Houthis which is you know in effect taking al Qaeda side in that war and so the Saudis invade the country now Obama

51:10said essentially that because the Saudis are like an important trading partner and they were pissed off at us at the time they were very upset about the war in Iraq the Saudis were the ones in the region who were against at the whole time because they knew they were like you're just going to give Baghdad to Iran basically and this and that's their big enemy is Iran and then they were also really pissed off because Obama did the one decent thing he did in his administration was he worked out that deal with Iran same goddamn thing that Trump tore up and is now demanding they get back into some type of nuclear deal but so in order to placate the Saudis Obama goes okay well back your your war here and like I said faux blockade around the country refueling their military jets quiet support for Saudis in tangles us in Yemen this is uh yep here it is Obama in an awkward twist becomes Saudi Arabia's defender wow and it is uh it is hard to overstate how brutal the Saudis

52:12were in this war I mean like you know just think of Gaza something not too unsimilar to that but you're talking like a faux blockade around the cut this was the poorest country in the Middle East before any of this faux blockade around the country the Saudis were bombing they were bombing their agriculture they were bombing their like wheat silos they were bombing their irrigation ditches they're just like a total war on the civilian population all the way from 2015 into 2021 when it essentially ended in like an Afghanistan style I guess we give up like it was just eventually the saddest I think the Houthis you know one of the things that's really interesting that happened this whole time like you were talking about the drone wars so back in 2009 first of all it was secret the drone program wasn't everyone knew it there had been good reporting on it but the way they got the good reporting was like people found the drones in Yemen you know and they take like little you know grainy cell phone pictures and be like look this is a US drone so there's

53:12clearly but actually the um uh Obama's press secretary it's not god damn it not Jay Karni his first press secretary um I'm blanking on his name but he admitted this on NBC news it's like a really amazing but he it like uh was talking about the how the drone program this is years later like 2012 he's at NBC news now and he was talking about how when he used to get questions about the drone program he wasn't allowed to he wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that it was real so he would just sit there yeah Robert Gibbs I apologize I should have remembered that I was told not to even acknowledge a drone program there's video of this when I went through the process of becoming press secretary one of the first things they told me was you're not even to acknowledge the drone program you're not even to discuss that it exists said former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on up with Chris Hayes Sunday so now think about okay by the way there is video of this it wasn't you know I don't know if it's in this article or not but I mean that was essentially the point but the

54:15thing in the video it's so funny is they they all are laughing about it like they're talking about like what kind of what a funny thing it is like imagine being in the position where you can't admit that a real thing's real and journalists are asking you questions and he said because it is kind of funny in a weird way but that's like you think a newsman would that wouldn't be the number one thing oh here yeah yeah this is it I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret but let me give you an example here Chris when I went through the process of becoming press secretary one of the things one of the first things they told me was you're not even to acknowledge the drone program you're not even to discuss that it exists and so I would get a question like that and literally I couldn't tell you what major asked because once I figured out it was about the drone program I realized I'm not supposed to talk about and but here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition you're being asked a question

55:17based on reporting of a program that exists right so you're the official government spokesman acting as if entire program pay no attention to the man behind the curtain it's I think in many ways and I think what the president has seen and I have not talked to him about this I want to be careful this is my opinion yeah but I think what the president has seen is our denial of the existence of the program when it's obviously happening under mines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes that's really that's the major problem with murdering people in the poorest country in the middle east you know it might undermine people's trust in you and therefore your ability to murder more people in the poorest country in the middle east so just like by the way whenever you see anyone over the last like say eight years on MSNBC or CNN tell you about a threat to democracy and the free press and all this shut the fuck up you hired that guy the guy who's sitting there telling you like when it comes to the it forget whether you're

56:20for the war or against the war it's a secret war you're not forget democracy the people aren't even allowed to have an opinion on us even as the White House press secretary you're not even allowed to acknowledge it and and like why not they I mean it's just it's not as if they were like well if al-Qaeda knows that we're coming for them then something is compromised it's just like oh yeah Obama ran as the peace candidate he collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything and he didn't particularly want to tell people that he had just started this new campaign of just murdering whoever he wanted to for whatever reason he wanted to and you know one of the things that's interesting about the technology of it and I remember people much smarter than me predicting this at the time um I guess I never really appreciated like exactly the the timetable of all of it but it went in 2009 which he's talking about 2009 a few years later there it went from like oh the US has this new technology where we can use drones and war to all the sudden now in 2025 you're

57:22sitting around in everybody like this is just part of war now you know literally the even the hoothies I mean they don't have the capabilities we have but they have drone bombs and that's part of how they were able to get the Saudis to finally back out is like they could hit some of their oil fields with their drone bombs and it was enough of a pain in the ass for the Saudis to be like all right like call it quits and raise and so they ended that war in in 21 but now these hoothies have been in charge of Yemen the whole time since you know in the same way that it was like we fought this whole war to get the Taliban out of Afghanistan we just lost like they just still run the whole place and so these guys are still there they have gone through the what was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world from 2015 to 2021 um they survived all of that and they're still there and now they see the same goddamn thing happening in Gaza then they're the one again I'm not like this is their stated thing I'm not saying like they're all great people or something but they're going like no fuck that we're standing up for the people in Gaza and so they were like as long as all of you guys

58:24are supporting Israel just slaughtering all these people then we are going to start you know like trying to shut down these shipping lines which they don't really have the capacity to do but they can hit some cargo ships and hit some military ships how does this ever settle how does this ever relax like when you look at what happened in Gaza and you think about the tensions that existed before October 7th and then this happens and then got that then the the Israeli attack happens like how does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point well it looks really bad at the moment right now you know and like what I always like to say which I you know is like 50% just me telling myself something to feel better about the situation but then 50% like it is kind of you know like you look you could go around the world right now and like England is right next to is right next to Ireland and everybody's just cool there right now and that would have seemed like impossible you know and like France and Germany and you know what I mean like all these countries were like there was a

59:27time where it just seemed impossible and you know that was Egypt and Israel the Egypt and Israel went to war four times in the first 20 something years of the existence of the state of Israel they just kept going a war and war and war against each other and then in the late 70s they made a deal and it was like a land for peace swap but isn't it part of the problem the Palestine is not a state like yeah that's like the whole problem the whole thing is like you you can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge the exist yeah that well they've had so Israel Israel took control of what what are known as the occupied territories they took control of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967 and it's one thing I'm not like saying it's ever justified but like it's one thing to like occupy an area for a few months after a war as you're going through the process of turning it over to you know like to themselves or it may be even a few years but like we're going into like 60 years

1:00:30of complete Israeli control over these people and and under Israeli control they have zero rights zero rights whatsoever I mean like they don't have the freedom of movement they don't have freedom to trade with the outside world they don't have voting rights they don't have the right of due process I think they get they get if literally to this day like in the West Bank where there's like all these big Israeli settlements because the Israelis are just constantly slowly stealing more of the Palestinians land they if like an Israeli settler in the West Bank in the same jurisdiction gets in a dispute with a Palestinian there the Israeli citizen he's a citizen of Israel he has rights he goes to a trial the fucking the Palestinian goes in front of a military trial if he's lucky enough to get that they have something like a 99% conviction rate you're just totally fucked like and this and and then look a lot of people will point to like look like there's there's been terrorism on the Arab side toward the Israelis going back many years but like I think you're

1:01:35essentially right you can't expect a group of people who have to just be subjugated for eternity and not that nobody's going to try to violently fight back and of course when they non violently try to fight back that gets squashed too that gets met with violence and then the wildest thing Trump comes along it says we're gonna take it yeah we're gonna take it we're gonna turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East enjoy big savings with Red Hot deals at Vons and Albertsons this week at Vons and Albertsons baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership where applicable limit three racks and ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless watermelons or canelope are 199 each with digital coupon enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal hurry in these deals won't last visit vons or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save this summer don't squeeze in spread out find homes big enough for your whole guest list on verbo from family reunions to trips with friends

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1:03:41that came out of him winning this election I don't Trump landed a devastating blow on the Republican establishment in 2016 when he won the primary and he landed a devastating blow against the democratic establishment by winning the presidency this year and he like destroyed the corporate media like in a way that nobody else could have done and all of those things are like incredible achievements you know but there is this like kind of tragedy with Donald Trump too where it's like he's the one guy who was able to do all of this and I will say there were just there were hopes that it was like hey he maybe this time around man he's got Bobby Kennedy there he's got Tulsi Gabbard there he's got like all okay this is like a whole different thing I'm gonna stop that one one day yes right he's good he's here to end the wars also like he had been burned by the system now you know hold it's not just that they called them a Russian traitor or whatever it's like they tried to throw him in jail they tried to murder him okay this is a maybe oh no yeah no no I'm sure that was totally totally have to phone a lot of times as we all

1:04:44know professionally it's got department yes that happens all the time Joe many times presidential candidates the front runner to be president once again former presidents a sniper gets a clean shot 130 yards away from them that's a very common thing a guy who was in a black rock commercial just a couple of years and a lot of those guys were in black lot rock commercials once Joe these are normal things that happen to normal people it's part of everyday politics but hey but so a lot of this made people think like oh maybe that but I will say already into Trump's presidency it's just a lot is it's like oh shit no I guess I got to be happy with the things that he did but the idea that he's really figured this out or he's really on to something he's learned a lot or he's got the guy is out there he's saying we should primary Thomas Massey and throwing his support behind Lindsey Graham I mean come on what is Tom master president doesn't listen him off now he didn't vote for the freaking spending bill he he voted against the CR because it increased spending and was increasing the debt and it was refunding all of the programs that Doge had recommended be cut so he was like no I'm not voting for this and Trump was like well I'm going to

1:05:47need you to vote for it and it was like no and that's it that's his crime the same thing same reason Trump hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't vote for the the two trillion dollar COVID spending bell because he was like wait you're telling me because the country's locked down that means we have to bail out every giant corporation around the country like no I'm not supporting this and then Trump sent all his people to go you know he's betraying America first or whatever and there's one trump gets in that he just wants like you know the next win um but you know the the real problem here is like the I look the idea that we are going to go and and ethnically cleanse like finish the job of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza on behalf of Israel it's like what first of all what do you think what do you think the reaction to that's going to be what do you think what do you think that's going to do to our country here you know it's like I feel um it's like I see a lot of people who uh get very upset about what they they call the rise of anti-Semitism um which

1:06:50certainly you know according to my Twitter feed is is real it's real there's a lot of people do you think it's well is it a rise or is it the ability to express it now been unlocked or is it both I don't know maybe both you know I have a tough time kind of figuring out exactly what it is it's also there's there's a troll aspect to it you know there's there's when you make one thing the thing that you're not allowed to say and the thing that's going to get a rise out of everybody there's this has been true and it's been building for for many years um kind of the alt right back in the day was kind of the first you know version of this but where you could be some guy just act on your computer you could be a 15 year old on on your phone or whatever and you could get you know the New York Times senior editor to be like oh look at this out right you know and just the ability to provoke that reaction out of somebody is that's fun shit first yes that's fun and for you're

1:07:53handing this person has no power like some real kind of power right I also think that um young for young men today particularly like young straight white men I think it's kind of hard like for me and you to even understand the world they grew up in there's very different than the world we grew up like they grew up in this woke error and okay now it's kind of like that's receded and woke is has been defeated but they grew up in a time where racialism was accepted by every powerful institution just against them right you know like it was totally fine to demonize straight white men at your high school at your college in your movies in your TV shows it your politicians celebrities everybody was just and that does like it unlocks a certain thing that we kind of all had a gentleman's agreement to not unlock like which is not really going to do that you know we don't want to be like racialists and so that's I think that's a component to it too

1:08:55but there's also no question that it's you know it's exploded since Israel's launched this war on Gaza yeah and it's exploded on the left which you never heard anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces before you really never saw that on campuses you know if Israel did something you may see a protest but it was generally it was organic these don't seem organic they seem very funded and they're very disruptive and you know some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened and doxed you know it's it's different it's it's a different level of it than I think we've ever seen before and it's kind of it's it's created a giant divide on the left right because on the left you have a lot of people that are their whole life they've been in support of Israel right and now all of a sudden there's these free Palestine people that are also on the left so you let's divide on the left yeah and and there was that divide goes back a like

1:10:02there were leftist divides over the Israel Palestine question going back really to like 1967 where most of the the kind of like the the black power movement people like the black panthers the nation of Islam those guys they all started with the Palestinians because they all saw it as like an extension of like yeah that's the whole you know we're against this kind of like racist colonizing you know like force and then of course there were a lot of influential Jewish people on the left who were like no not in this case we're okay with it but you you guys sure are right about all that civil right stuff but like that's not like it let's not look over there um but so a lot of that is kind of reemerged now I do also you know I don't know um like I've talked to uh I talked to one kid who was like a grad student in at Columbia which was really like the center of so many of these protests and he's Jewish and I was like uh I was like so what's it like that he was like yeah they're

1:11:02annoying and they're lad and like some of their their their their chance are like real kind of weird yeah I don't really know what they mean by it and I was like uh well do you ever feel like threatened or it's like no no it's not like it's fine they'll just chant as you walk by and then I do know also that they um they had at least one time they had like a satire service which because they got like Jewish people in those protest movements too um and so they overlast pass over it was a year ago they had like a satire service with the Jews like in there too so I also don't I don't know like what percentage of them are like just against the war and seeing pictures of dead babies and stuff like that what percentage of them are actually you know like harbor resentment toward Jewish people like it's it's kind of hard to to measure but I would just say that like it almost in a very similar way to like what I was talking about with uh the drone war against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula it just made them stronger you know it's like hey if you want to see less al-Qaeda maybe stop having the American military kill innocent civilians in their land because that seems to be fueling

1:12:06them and at the same time for the people who are so concerned about the rise of anti-semitism you're like okay well it has exploded since Israel's been doing this to Gaza right so like maybe the US shouldn't be funding and arming the whole goddamn conflict because that does seem to like at least give those people a giant talking point to latch on to maybe we shouldn't have a system where like our political class is not allowed to criticize a foreign government and a foreign government that's gotten us into like seven wars at least played a large role in getting us into those wars explicitly I'm not like alleging some secret conspiracy I'm saying like Benjamin Netanyahu is John McCain right like he's there he's he's been telling us Iran hasn't nuke he's been telling us they're five years away from a nuke since I was seven literally he's been saying Iran is five years away from a nuke the entire time and he he came over here he testified before Congress in 2002 that we as a regional expert that if we were to overthrow Saddam Hussein democracy would sweep

1:13:08the region and there'd be all these positive reverberations and then it goes and you also got to overthrow the regime in Iran and you also got to overthrow Moamar Qaddafi and like every single one of these things we're not Iran yet still pushing for that but we went in over through Saddam Hussein we went in over through Moamar Qaddafi and I don't know what swept the region but it wasn't democracy no I remember in the early 2000s when I realized there's two you meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergized it's one of the many new drinks out now who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire try them all only at McDonald's McDonald's is putting value back on the menu whether you're craving a big mac McNuggets or sausage egg and cheese McGrittle's make it a meal and save your favorite is now your wallet's favorite too extra value meals are back get a big something extra with a big mac or 10 piece McNuggets fries and a medium coke all for just nine dollars limited time only promotion

1:14:12pricing may be lower than meal pricing meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergized it's one of the many new drinks out now who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire try them all only at McDonald's fighting factions of Islam was like what yeah and that's Saddam Hussein it actually kept that from boiling over yeah because he was in control yeah no it's I remember learning it too right around the same time you're waiting it you're telling me there are shirts and skins over there they fight against each other like what are they do you know the difference between Sunni and Shia I mean I know that they're different sex of Islam but like in terms of like the religion is like the Catholics versus the Prophets yeah I think something something like that like it's always the people with the like most minor interpretations of their holy book differences who like go to war the most aggressively right you know what I mean like it's like yeah Catholics and the Protestants are you know like you agree on 95% of this religion but like whatever if you didn't know about that

1:15:18conflict you would never believe it's real like Christians going to war with other Christians like different sex like brutal horrible wars especially when you could like read about Jesus and you'd be like this doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all man like who's at the helm of this fucking battleship it's unbelievable to me that any and I'm not claim to be any type of religious expert and I'm not a Christian but it is unbelievable to me that anybody could be a Christian and could then like somehow do the mental gymnastics and rationalization to be like and that's why you got to support every war that's why we got to fight every single one of these wars because you know just like that guy Jesus told us slaughter women and babies you're like seems like the opposite of his message from my humble understanding of it so the argument of that if you want to take the argument would be like you have to do that to protect everyone here yeah I mean that's the argument right like we have to go to war with the ran a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an Air Force capable of delivering them here and it's so convenient that they're evil so convenient that

1:16:22they torture students and they they execute Olympic gold medalists and wrestling because they protested against the government it's so convenient well it's also like you know there's evil shit going on all over the world oh yeah it's terrible that there is but isn't it interesting how like the next war you know like I was I was in I did a debate at Princeton University a few months back against Josh Hammer who's a is a editor at Newsweek and we did like an Oxford style debate on whether the US should support Israel and you know one of the things he said to me so I was talking about like all this stuff like the clean break strategy in the seven countries in five years and he was like oh the war in Libya that was a totally separate thing like that was that was like a liberal interventionist war and I was like well sure is a coincidence that it was one of the seven countries you know what I mean like what a wild coincidence that we the the government we decided to overthrow

1:17:22was the exact government that four star general Wesley Clark told me we were planning on over throwing way before any of these claims about how good I'll feed what they mean all these one is wild yeah the Libby of one's wild when you see how good of a leader he was obviously an evil dictator no questions in eccentric fellow yeah definitely a piece of shit however for the people that live there they got no interest loans they they had incredible infrastructure their economies doing well they were at peace and there's one of the richest countries in Africa which is you know grading on a curve but then a few years later after we invade it's or we helped people we we assisted it becomes a failed state and they have slave auctions on YouTube yeah that's right now have heard it's recovered somewhat yeah people reach out from Libya and tell me the triplets actually not bad it's doing better than it was but also and the other part of this is that this was a huge contributing factor to the migrant crisis in Europe you know like all these things do have like

1:18:26these domino effects where it is so then Gaddafi also was kind of like not allowing that to happen and then you had these huge numbers of refugees pouring into Europe but not just the rise of but it seems like they're they're wanting them to pour in yeah it's see I mean this is where it gets really strange you know I had a conversation with someone about this it didn't understand it and we were we were going over civil unrest and how what the use of civil unrest one of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties yeah it's a really good strategy so if you want to take away people's guns take away right to protest take one of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your city your city with violence and crime the more violence and crime you have the more people will be freaked out the more people will be freaked out the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control that's exactly right yeah exactly and you can do that worldwide you can watch it but also let's talk about Europe okay in particular let's

1:19:32talk about Germany let's just talk about the UK what have they been doing besides letting in immense numbers of migrants one thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts they're arresting people for stepping out of line so they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism and if you look at the numbers of people you know that have been arrested for just face one of them was someone just got arrested pulled out of his house two o'clock in the morning for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag I mean this is wild stuff it's wild stuff and thousands of arrests not just everything Constantine Kissin talking to someone about this and it was explaining yeah he's explaining like Russia in prison 400 people for posts on social media that's crazy right how many think the UK did and he's like oh yeah it's like 4,000 he's like what yeah thousands of people are getting arrested in the UK and you you only seeing some of them you're

1:20:32seeing the people that are filming it at the time who have the wherewithal to grab a cell phone there's a lot of people they just been by themselves they just got scooped up what is it is I think it was 60 minutes did a piece where they had like three lawyers they were sitting there and like kind of like asking them like so would this post be okay would this be okay could I say something and they're like well posting it is actually much worse than just saying it and I mean like it is really creepy it's really creepy that but you're so right you're so spot on about this kind of like this this like one two punch of like destabilization and then government coming in with the solution yeah it's a Harry Brown who was he's deceased now but he's a brilliant guy meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer it's one of the many new drinks out now who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire try them all only at McDonald's day or night verbal care is here 24

1:21:38seven to help make every part of your stay seamless if anything comes up or you simply need a little guidance support is ready whenever you reach out from the moment you book to the moment you had home we're here to help things run smoothly because a great trip starts with the right support and hey a good playlist doesn't hurt either me meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer it's one of the many new drinks out now who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire try them all only at McDonald's he was like he ran for president on the libertarian party in 96 and 2000 but he used to he used to say the the government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch and then like they convince you to be thankful for the crutch and you're like man of this government wasn't here I would never crutch I'd be walking around on broken legs but you see it where like look even if you just watch I remember like during 2020

1:22:45in when the George Floyd thing first happened and the and forget like whatever the autopsy there was the one autopsy that said it was fettin all that killed him like leaving those that all of that aside just when the video of that uh Derek Chauvin kneeling on this guy's neck who's on the ground and crying in pain and he's kind of smiling and said and then the guy dies everybody I know I mean it was so unified I knew hardcore right wingers you know yeah my fox news watching father-in-law I remember the I was at his house the day it happened and he goes every one of those cops should be put in handcuffs on national television and goes they should all be charged with murder like there was you know that was like you cannot do this and then after the riots started in the summer all those same people were like send in the military you know it like like you just see how like someone could so quickly go from like you know we really need some police reform here like there is too much state power of policing to then then after you see some riots what are you asking for well who's gonna stop that martial law yeah the all we need the government to come in and crack down

1:23:48more police power than ever before so you could see like and that's just like a little scale but you could see how much that that demand and by the and sometimes very understandably so like in that example very understandably so because you're like well I don't know like I'm totally against like the over militarization of the police but when you have these huge riots it cross every major city in the country you're like well I guess that's this is the one time we have a reason to have that and then by the way of course they don't do anything to stop it yeah just let it go it's all it's the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup it was just an organic moment where someone was filming some guy who had a guy lead now was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder because I keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder maybe maybe that might be right the thing is on the neck you're really gonna go out you're gonna go to sleep you know if if the guy's really pressing your neck like that you're gonna like anybody thinks

1:24:50that's not a big deal get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee leaning your neck okay he's right on the neck no question at all okay that will put you to sleep for the most part and that will definitely constrict your breathing depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is now imagine this guy's already fucked up he already has an enlarged heart he's on fentanyl he's already fucked up but would he have died without this happening well from what I understand there were two autosys people want to say it was an overdose well may you know it's certainly he had poor health because of drug abuse and it's certainly must have contributed to it but are you saying that if that that wouldn't have a giant effect on someone in poor health like if you did that to an old man with emphysema if you had some guys been smoking cigarettes for 50 years and you got on his neck he could fucking die right there was whereas if he didn't if you didn't get on his neck you probably live a long time right and you can't say it was the smoking that killed him if you if it was that right a new eric guarder was

1:25:55another one yeah eric guarder people were saying you know he died because he's fat and he had a heart attack I was like no dude that guy's choking him yeah and if you don't think that guy's choking him let me grab your neck like that you don't think that's a choke yeah because it's one arm I'll put you to sleep with one arm yeah that's oh yeah you can put some of the sleep I like you have see fighters get put to sleep professional fighters get put to sleep all that's professional world champion Sean Brady choked out Leon Edwards for the most part with a one-armed guillotine and Luke Rock old got a Mike Mike miss one arm guillotine yeah he's got somebody with that the one-armed guillotine is legit that's any body who's like if anybody who like knows what they're doing yeah it was grappling anyone who doesn't know what they're doing right they could all one arm choke you out yeah they're saying oh he just restrained him like no no no no no no no when you restrained someone you get their arms behind their back you pin their weight down you can just restrain the guy with if you were good you just who practitioner with your body weight if you have a good you're on top he's face down you put your hooks in he's not going anywhere yeah

1:26:59you flatten them out you under hook them you pull his arms out someone coughs him you don't choke him you have to choke him the guy wasn't resisting at all so that was another one right but these are real moments these are organic moments is they're not setups but boy are they good at capitalizing on those fucking things and then when you see public officials going with this swarm of narrative the swarm of narrative was defund the police like are you guys out of your fucking mind in the middle of these riots you're going to go against the police instead of going against the rioters or you got one bad cop that bad cop should be prosecuted or something should happen he should be you know if the guy died of an overdose at the very least what he's doing seems to be brutal yeah and unnecessary yeah unnecessary and brutal the guy's not resisting you put you put your weight on his back it's hard enough it's so hard to get up if someone has their fucking knee on your back it's so hard to get especially if you're out of shape and you have an enlarged heart and you're on fentanyl now there's also seven cops around him and he wasn't I

1:28:01mean I've watched the whole body cam footage he was a he was clearly fucked up and he was clearly having like a massive panic attack yeah but he wasn't like being like violent with the cops like he wasn't like he wasn't a threat for that many cops cops get so desensitized and you have so many experiences as one individual this guy had a long criminal record the people that work that area probably all knew him didn't Derek Chauvin and him work together somewhere yeah remember I remember hearing that security yeah they were like they were doing some security together I think so but yeah so it's probably some get back involved in that knee on the neck it's right quite possibly it's also one of those things where like it is look most of the time someone won't die if you do that you know what it means a lot yeah exactly but there is most of the time someone's not filming yes that's so big also true and if the if the the body cam footage comes out it's usually

1:29:03much later so it's not kind of like as a media but I think also usually every single media outlet in the entire United States of America in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play the video on repeat all day every single day because it's that there was no reason the thing about George Floyd that was crazy is that there was no reason for it to be a national story and there was no reason for it to be a racial story like there wasn't really when you why don't you think there would be no reason for it to be a national story when a cop kills oh well I just mean for a false $20 bill no no I shit when I say that okay I'm not saying it there's no like story there I'm saying there wasn't where a country of 330 million people there are a number of these incidents that happen every year not like a crazy high number but like there's there's a few hundred of these every year this one kind of seemed to get picked as like we're all gonna run with this right now because we got the full video yeah that's a Rodney King it's the same thing yeah I guess okay that is a fair point the Rodney King one was a bit different I mean number one the video element then was way

1:30:08crazier because it was nobody had ever seen a video no one as it there's a guy with a giant thing who happens to be on his balcony at the right time right and also they beat the ever loving shit out of it like it was yeah I mean they were just after he was down and take it they just kept going right kept going but the other thing that I always thought was like you kind of the George Floyd thing it's not like there was like any element in there where like they were calling them the n-word or there was some type of like racial like thing like it it didn't ever seem to me that there was any reason to believe that like had he been a giant white dude tweaking out on drugs doing the exact same thing it wouldn't have gone the exact same way right but he wasn't the thing is there's a what is post Rodney King it is a white guy on the neck of a black guy but there was also a Asian cop and a black cop and yeah but they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got a cross that's a fair point that is a fair point didn't they get prosecuted I he he got convicted of murder I

1:31:08do not remember Asian cop got prosecuted as well see see what other cops got prosecuted I think it's one of those things where you're you're supposed to step in and say you know I think that's totally reasonable I mean yeah that's you know to be like hey listen he is totally the thing is like I want to know it was on his neck the whole time because I had heard that he was also who was on his shoulder and then but that is on his neck it's like yeah I have to go watch that horrible video over again and I don't I don't want to do that I was yeah it's dark today I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza this guy carrying around a headless baby showing what happened to his child it's just so fucked another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand dude it's it is so so level the level of evil that this shit is I mean you see I know you've seen the you see the drone videos like the aerial footage yeah guys like I was gone it's gone they fucking destroyed the whole goddamn place I saw one it's hard to believe I saw I saw one estimate said that it was

1:32:10a 90% of the population has been what's the word I'm looking for that they've been displaced yeah that they have 90% of them are at no end percent yeah I know I know I know I'm good find that guy and train them that's your rainbow but it is what is this Jamie three of the cops for fun guilty of violating his rights and one other one got pled guilty to aiding in a betting second degree mermer man water yeah that was the Asian guy you got three and a half years Jesus all right a betting yeah yeah yeah I think you kind of have your cop you kind of have a responsibility yeah and then there's also the level of fentanyl we've discussed discuss this right because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose but I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose for the you know you know what how LD 50 weight rates work you know that works now I lethal dose for 50% of the population that's how they determine whether okay so the problem is you know you get a hundred people give them all

1:33:13the same amount of stuff 50 of them are going to die 50 of them are going to live so that's how you find what the LD 50 of a drug is so when you have something like fentanyl this is a guy's a like a inveterate fentanyl user you know he probably has a very high tolerance to opiates you know and I don't and he's huge he's a big dude he's a big dude yeah but he was obviously dying from drug abuse he had an in large heart he is fucked up you know and the the levels though when they were like at the threshold not the official autopsy but this is the doctor that did one of them I think and he said here I don't know if you can read that but yeah a nanogram a fentanyl 11 nanogram cell dust leader this is the this is higher than chronic pain patient if he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes this could be accepted uh call on overdose deaths have been certified I don't know what that says level of three so level of three he was at 11 so deaths have

1:34:18been certified at a level of three um nanograms per desolate or he was at 11 nanograms per desolate uh I am not saying this killed him fentanyl metabolite for a m p p think this is non commercial meta meth meth 19 oh he had meth too 19 nanograms per desolate or this is relatively low relatively low but meth's bad for your heart from video of seeing it appears like his knee is on the side of the neck not where the could be so fire try the more only at my dose kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile matters that's why trade pros

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1:36:19is gonna work look when you're when you have a big neck you can die from your tongue you know that people die of sleep apnea like football players like they swallow their tongue no their tongue closes over the back of their mouth because they're they have so much neck tissue right that their ear hold gets smaller right now want you to imagine someone compressing that neck tissue with 210 pounds of body weight all positioned on their knee yeah yeah bro you could put someone to sleep that way yeah like they'll die if you hold on to it they'll die it's indefensible and it's crazy and the the and I think the country had kind of like the appropriate reaction to it but then they they're trying to say that cops can't use choke holds anymore well that's crazy too because you should be able to if you're a cop you got to be able to choke people like if you get some wild messed up fucking dude and he's attacking cops and he's got his shirt off and fucking swastik is on his chest and you want to strangle that guy put him away put him asleep then you can cough him you

1:37:21can do that yeah in fact it might be it might be the more safer way to then like tasing someone and then where they stiffen up and just fall over if he just choked George Floyd out and then cuff them yeah that'll be way better for everybody yeah like a real simple five second rear naked choke he goes asleep temporarily you cough him he wakes up none of the trauma to his neck none of that shit none of the none of the four minutes whatever it was seconds no nation wide riots no nation wide riots it's maybe there would have been for a different reason but it's just a jujitsu move and then you cough him and you know but man being a cop is the most fucking thankless psychotic job in this country and every day they pull up the cars and they worry that they're gonna get shot everybody seen videos of cops they pull up the fucking tinted windows and they get blasted I just saw one today there's so many of them it was it was great the one I saw today too was one where like it there was almost no tell like it was they they had to stop and they were just like hey you

1:38:23know but is this your car he's like yeah it's my car he seemed totally cool and they're just like okay license and registration he goes I actually don't have my license on me and he goes you're driving without a license all right so I'm gonna have to ask you to step out and then just comes out boom boom boom boom boom boom shootin at him and shoots one of the cops the other one gets behind the cars they're shooting back it's like yeah no listen I get that's gotta be a crazy thing to you know it's like I remember here in a baseball player say once there he was like a he goes the toughest thing about being like in the outfield is that like every set if you think about the game like every single pitch you got to immediately like be like oh is it coming to me right and then it's just like not not not not not not not is you know like you got to like be ready for that one time where like it is coming to you and I imagine there's something like that with the cops it's like a million every routine traffic stop you got to be a little bit concerned about that on the other hand that is the job and there are expectations when you're you know if your salary is paid by

1:39:24the people's taxes and like you the standard has to be probably the same thing I think the standard for fighting wars should be the standard to just always be do you absolutely have to do this you know like if you don't have to like the air gardener situation yes like you don't have to do this he's selling lose he's okay there's gotta be sucks I understand I'm not to do that right it's and I understand like maybe there's like human beings who get very creative man we could find I understand saying okay there's the guy in store inside the store has to you know sell cigarettes with the tax on them he gets to sell these loose these cigarettes it's hurting this guy's business and maybe he's asked him to leave and he hasn't we're talking about selling loose cigarettes outside of a store you just don't need to bring this level of violence you know to the to for this situation and you know it's one of the things like I know I I thought you were talking about the other day with the Trump deportation stuff where there's like this very it's an interesting moment that we're in right now because you have if you remember in Trump's first term this was one of the biggest

1:40:28kind of like controversies that he he lost a lot of public support over was the kids and cages right and okay now they you know they know they always put kids yes is that they were built under the Obama administration it was kind of bullshit they took some pictures of a kid crying that didn't wasn't even really about the Trump deportations like you know the media lies that's what they do but there is something about you know like in the in the civil rights movement you know Martin Luther King and those guys they picked Birmingham Alabama like they knew what they were doing and they were they knew that they were going to get this reaction and that then it could be on TV and they almost forced the American people to watch these young black men and suits and ties have firehoses and dogs sick done them and even for the 1960s American person who may be harbored like some significant degree of prejudice even for them just seeing that was like oh Jesus

1:41:33like yeah I can't support that you know what I mean and there is something with you know the the US has had just an insane immigration policy really since 1965 but I mean the Biden immigration but it was the just like the most insane policy Joe Biden seems to me like his at least part of his legacy is he moved the country further right on immigration than you could have imagined isn't super majorities of the American people support mass deportations but just like there's a difference between being a little bit racist against black people and being able to watch you know cops on leash German shepherds on black dudes and suits and ties it's one thing to kind of believe I think the people who are here illegally got to go back it's another thing to like watch it unfold and see what type of and I'll just say this like on the theme of what I was saying like earlier about the signal stuff you know there were so many efforts to like sabotage Donald Trump's first presidency in this moment if you really want to see mass deportations which by

1:42:38the way we're not seeing but if you really want to see that as most Americans do you finally won the argument you finally won the day you've now got super majorities of the American people on your side and you've elected a president that this is his signature issue the last thing you would want to do is go round up 234 of them with no due process and send them to the most notorious brutal prison in El Salvador and get some of them wrong like what the fuck are you thinking and get some of them wrong yeah and that that's and the thing is you're saying there haven't been mass deportations what do you what do you mean by that I mean in large numbers like they have been there have been deportations they've already kind of slowed down but we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country right but that's not the what they're looking for what they're looking for is the criminals and here's allegedly right this is what we're hoping but here's a problem that bothers me quotas kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile matters that's why trade

1:43:38pros trust fiber cement party backer board to keep tile firmly in place resist cracking and held block moisture chosen over 40 million kitchens and bathrooms party backer board what the best build on shop now at participating home depot lows and floor into core stores for more information visit James hearty dot com slash hearty backer i had a friend was a cop who would tell me about quotas for speeding tickets back when they weren't supposed to tell people about that they have quotas right and i said so it's basically like being a glorified revenue collector is like pretty much pretty much is if i'm not writing tickets you know it's it's going to come down on me like imagine a day where everybody made a decision like for the next 60 days collectively as a country no one's going to violate any traffic laws everyone's going to stop to a complete halt at every stop sign no one's going to go a mile an hour above the speed limit what happens what do these cops if you have quotas so you're assuming that people will always break the law forever and if they

1:44:45don't do you adjust do you fire the cops do you cut your budget what do you do do you remember when this happened in New York city i was over a decade ago there was a they had this like unofficial official police like slowdown where they were they were upset about so i can't remember the exact story but it was the head of the police union said that he was like we will only be it um enforcing like violent crimes it was over the stop and frisk controversy and they're kind of like oh you guys want to all call his race which already i thought was so hilarious i used to have a joke in my act about this many years ago but where it was just like that was the threat from cops was like we're only going to arrest violent criminals you know that's probably what you should be doing to begin with like what are we and so then like all these and everything was fine by the way there wasn't a rise in in violent crime it was just they just stopped doing it but revenue started collapsing and then they like whipped the cops into getting back to it like they were like threatened their pensions and shit and they were like yo you cannot do this we have that you got to keep

1:45:48policing for profit isn't that crazy policing for profit it's crazy it's crazy that they write tickets like tickets are kind of nuts you know it's like you have to give us money because you went too fast well i've always that's the incentive that everybody there everyone agrees is going to work carcana another ticket yeah i always thought like um would you stop speed nomad get a radar detector yeah well right people find a way i always thought there was something really unfair um that some i've heard some progressives talk about this but it never seemed to like get that much traction but there is something about like giving a ticket that's like um you know what it just seems so regressive in terms of like uh like it's so much more punitive toward poor people and working class people oh yeah then it is toward the well and it's the same number for all of that you know what i mean like there's something about that it's not that i don't know i know this is the way the this the problem is that progressives that will take that and go oh okay so that means up it on the rich

1:46:49people is like no that's not what i'm saying but like you know man you hand out a seventy five dollar ticket to to somebody who's making like four hundred bucks a week and you're like Jesus Christ dude like that is devastating to that person yeah more is like you hand out a seventy five dollar ticket to like a rich person it's kind of like okay yeah you know that's a reasonable punishment for that I mean you know anyway listen i'm not advocating like i'm not a uh i don't care about equity but no that's not a good idea but it is a strange thing that they're our revenue collectors who are also peace officers like it seems like that should be a completely different thing yeah it seems like cops shouldn't be pulling people over because your fucking tail lights out that seems silly that seems like a totally different proposition yep yeah no i can't believe it is they pull people over for doing stupid shit and a large percent of them are carrying drugs a lot of them the fucking bricks in the back of their car that's the craziest thing about guys who are trafficking drugs they're trafficking like fucking thirty pounds of fentanyl and they get pulled over his beans

1:47:53for some speed yeah yeah something like that oh dude they're cooked up and they're fucking driving fast and they got a trunk full of fucking illegal guns and cocaine and meth and why aren't you going so slow and cautious why aren't you using a blinker you should be listening to country music on your radio you got meth to get someone you have a fucking cat diesel hat on you should be nice and calm and slow you're a regular guy just going about your day well by definition these people aren't making the wisest decisions no no so you get to drive your fucking car filled with meth you gotta get a crazy it's not as easy as you think you really got it you can't and you can't just put a craigslist ad up or whatever like i'm sure you got to go through some sketchy channels and out there tom home and guy send everybody across the border you can even get the mexicans to do it Jesus i mean that guy is it is funny where like he's i get where he's kind of like the guy you'd want if you're like we're a hard we got we need a hard ass in here to do this but when you do start getting these concerns about due process i mean his response that was in some interview where

1:48:58they were asking them about due process for the people he's deporting and he's like um um uh what's the girl where was it good due process for Lincoln for Lincoln Riley where was the due process for her and you're like yeah but dude that's not what due process when you got to be sure murder victims don't get due process that's why it's illegal to murder somebody and even by the way in that case her killer got due process and then got convicted of murder you know what I mean like that's the whole point and there's just again like i was saying it seems there's a few moves that the Trump administration has as made so far and i don't know who is in his ear and who is convinced him uh to pursue this policy but like again if you wanted to pursue like mass deportations which i understand i think there's a strong case i mean look he's done a great job of um stopping the flow which was job number one and that was his best line at a state of the union where it was like the democrats kept saying we needed legislation to close the border turns out we just needed a new president which is shockingly true like it is unbelievable how it went from record high border

1:50:02crossings under Biden to record low border crossings over Donald Trump yeah and i do think that so much of that is just that it's a real difficult journey and if people feel like oh Trump's in there obviously we're not going to be allowed in yeah and they just won't go through it i also do think that Donald Trump is fundamentally correct with his idea that like you don't have a nation if you don't have borders like you can't listen to the the the idea at least i'm not saying this is really how it works but the idea is that we're a free country because we have self-government and in other words the american people get to decide how many people we bring in here and how many we don't and that with it's at this point nobody actually knows the number for sure but it is north of 30 million illegal immigrants in the country but my god if you wanted to wait to start deporting people who are legal residents who are not violent criminals because they wrote a pat pro-Palestinian op-ed with you're diving into the most contentious issue and then picking one side of that and then like this just seems like it it's almost as if you're trying to to poison the possibility to ever

1:51:08really have mass deportations it just seems so counterproductive by his own stated goals and with so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person what's really hard to unpack especially for like tried and true blue no matter who democrats is this idea that they were bringing people into this country moving them into swing states getting them on social security giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them eventually to be voters yeah and these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party so in that sense that that's that's the big one that a lot of people that are left-wing people have a really hard time swallowing they don't believe that's true and they'll take you to well what about when Texas sent those people up to New York you know the governor of Texas sent people to New York right but do you know that New York's not a swing state yeah he did that but why did he do that he do that it is a big fuck you to New York for not turning for the government to turning a blind eye to

1:52:08the problem at the border and saying okay you think this isn't a problem I'm gonna send this problem to you yeah it was a sanctuary city yeah yeah yeah you have a sanctuary city oh that's cute I'll send you thousands and thousands of people that you're gonna have to take care of now and they did and then that's even weirder because then they took over fucking luxury hotels and they had a deal with it I think it was a Pakistan owns one of those hotels oh is that yeah but what it who owns the the the big one that was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie where she was a hot made remember that movie made in Manhattan I never saw it but I vaguely remember I'm sure recently my family supposed ridiculous thing she's on 10 she's like this poor little sad made Pakistan international airlines has owned the structure they own the Roosevelt so the Roosevelt's an iconic hotel in New York City and they get paid by the federal government or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigrations immigrants there and they give them food and they give them money they give

1:53:10them and like what are you doing like if you're allowing these people to vote in regional elections okay you've essentially now you've you've bought regional elections and if you want them to eventually become United States citizens and give them a pathway to citizenship which all good people would want Dave Smith okay now you have voters and if you do that in mass which they did they brought people in this they invited people help people the Red Cross was like giving them maps like this is how you do it they had stops along the way we give them water and you walk right through when everybody just gets to be on a bus and you get shipped off to swing states that literally happened and people on the left do not want to address it they want to deny it it was an attempt to take over yeah and look I'll say I just I know this because I'm like you know this is I guess that one of the benefits of like getting older and paying attention to this shit is like I can remember shit from 15 20 years ago like I was paying attention then and I remember all of them admitting this was their plan yeah like literally all of the joy read and Rachel Maddo and all they used to call it the browning of

1:54:13America and they used to openly brag about how the Democrat will have super permanent majorities forever because look like hey you old dying white Republicans like sorry that's it for you because the Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Democrat and we're going to be a majority minority country and then a majority Hispanic country and then the Democrats ruled day for ever so this is just you know Mitt Romney or whoever's running for president right now this is the dying throws of the end of a but then when people started objecting to that policy and they they called it the browning of America and then when people objected to it they would call it the great replacement or whatever and then they go you're allowed to say that that means you're a Nazi and you're like but I just heard you saying it like five years ago I heard you saying use the term replace yeah it was and so there was this weird and then there was also the uh one of the other big tells of this was the way they attempted which really failed but the way they attempted to make voter ID like a toxic racist

1:55:16policy which was so I mean the logic of it just collapses on itself because if it's first of all it seems like some bigotry of low expectations to imply that black people are like just can't figure out how to get ID do you remember Kathy Holtchel saying that they don't know what computers are yeah yeah that's right yeah do you remember that video the crazy you said that guy fucking human being has a computer in their pocket do it was the black dude who made that video is the funniest guy yeah I think you sent it to me but he was like there was like a computer and who comes up like that cigarette and it's like trying to like try to bite it and stuff too it's so goddamn funny where you're like that's literally what you're saying like I don't know and it's like spliced like on the left side of it is hard to explain to black people looking at these black inner city kids they don't know what a computer is well but then I mean like just you know just like using the most basic logic you'd be like okay wait a minute but like so if requiring ID is racist then like we got some other really big problems in this country that we should be looking at like that well not only that but it's in the direct memory the recent

1:56:19memory of everybody needing ID because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine right right right yeah which then and then that was fine somehow that and when that by the way disproportionately affected minorities yeah no one seemed no progressive seemed to care about that no there was overwhelmingly black people wildly disproportionately black people and immigrants who just refuse the vaccine by the way let the record show they were smarter than everybody else who you know what me and you PhDs oh yeah yeah that is an interesting detail is it overwhelming hmm overwhelmingly skeptical about this new vaccine and here me and you got called out by Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden for a fucking being right for being absolutely right it's so wild too that that that was only three years ago or four years ago when you said that you're advised to young people was to just be really healthy and that was like a national controversy yeah that you just like it I mean you just think about how upside down it was also people doing the man's job for the man

1:57:21it was everybody piled on like everybody and especially once you got the shot yourself you're like I did the right thing because you knew it was risky you fucking know on some level to absolutely it's medication anytime you get medication you know it's risky anytime get some pharmaceutical drug in your system not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body into a vaccine or an immunity producing spike protein factory the model by the way which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein so your body's gonna produce it itself what PhDs are like I don't know and it was also way past way way way past the where we had already figured out that like if you weren't very old and very sick this was you yes statistically had almost no chance of like a serious one. importantly we had very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids yeah so there was no

1:58:22justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated and yet we did it in California did it they did it to schools they did it everywhere and the fact that they pulled that off and then a couple years later they're like yeah I mean I did to vote yeah why didn't I do the vote that's racist in California you're not allowed to show ID you're not allowed to show ID so like come on I mean listen obviously this is and like there's a reason for all of this it's not they didn't just pick showing your ID voting and decide to make this the issue that they harped on and tried to pretend you were somehow racist or you were somehow infringing on voting rights by requiring an ID and so look like they're this did a couple things happen number one it totally turned public opinion against this this level of of crazy immigration and number two I mean Donald Trump ended up winning a bigger percentage of the Latino vote then I believe any Republican in my life

1:59:25yeah which is really I mean especially after Tony Angeliff that's pretty wild I think Tony you might have gotten a more votes it's even listen nobody takes the joke better than Puerto Ricans by the way there is something really funny about that where um and this has been a theme for for years in the country but real Tony was a great example of that but we're like kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile matters that's why trade pros trust fiber cement party backer board to keep tile firmly in place resist cracking and held block moisture chosen over 40 million kitchens and bathrooms party backer board what the best build on shop now at participating home depot lows and floor into core stores for more information visit jameshardy.com slashhardybacker you know for all their talk about diversity and anti racism and all of this what they always seem to do is try to impose white lady values on minorities you know what I mean like just imagine

2:00:34you know who's a great way to put it it's always white lady values it's always you know who's really offended by a joke well as as we both know Joe as professional comedians for many years you know black people just get very offended by jokes no they fucking don't that's white women that's white women's shit that's not Latinos or African Americans they are they're the ones who take a joke the best especially a good joke oh yeah yeah but also like the the more offensive the better like they love that shit I'm the buying large like there's exceptions well there's exceptions for sure but Puerto Ricans are known like if you grew up around Puerto Ricans they're fun and they talk a lot of shit yes it's part of the culture yep and so it's like you're trying to you know there's something about it that was always like it's always the liberal push for diversity is always like we want different shades of people in our culture right you know what I mean like it was never like there was never a thing where it's like oh we're gonna go into the hood and we're gonna adopt

2:01:34your culture like that's not what we're talking about which is why the hate black Republicans yep that's a big a big part of it that's a problem they they go after black Republicans so hard even harder I think than they go after a lot of white Republicans oh in some cases much more vicious yeah I mean and I think by you know we talked about can't us oh and before that's part of what her freaking you know boot camp before pissing off all the Israeli supporters was that she's already been through the fire yeah she's been an outspoken black female conservative and that's like they really hate that because they do kind of view you as like which is fucked up in a way but it really is kind of like your they decided that they're the champion of women and black people and therefore if you're a black woman it's your responsibility to support these liberal white women and she used to that's the thing right she went right she went from she went from being a very young she was liberal and then she was also a hard-core Zionist at one point like very big supporter of

2:02:36Israel and then changed her mind on that but it is you know there there is a viciousness which with which those people get attacked I do think and I still I think I said this the last time we were on the last time I was on but I still do think that in many ways that's the best part of Donald Trump winning again is just the cultural phenomenon of it where it does seem like there's been a big rejection of all of that shit you know I um I had a I had dinner with with Darrell last night with Darrell Cooper and with Darrell Cooper and Scott Horton and we're talking a little bit about this but like what happened first of all I left the record show for both good and bad I was promoting Darrell Cooper before everybody else was I was the first guy not even out the first but I was like this guy's podcast is amazing and it really really is but there was something so interesting about like his Tucker appearance the backlash against it the fact that it did absolutely nothing to harm him and his podcast just shot up on all the charts and now more people

2:03:40than ever are listening to his stuff like there there is like and I do I've seen a lot of this and I've gotten into some arguments with some like Constantine Cassin I've argued with him about this I respect him very much I like him a lot I think it's very smart but there are like there are these woke tactics now that are being used by many people who have been opposing wokeism for a very long time and I think it's interesting how much people have woken up to that no pun intended but how much people like kind of recognize that now and that stuff has just been rejected and even like on the most basic level the thing first of all the fact that there was such an outrage for what Darryl Cooper said on Tucker Carlson's podcast already proves the point it already proves the point that you're like yeah this is insane this is insane that this like you're not even you can't even like have a conversation about these things without this massive pile on this very bad these pejoratives that get yes is stuck on him that got stuck on me for platforming him yeah I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier well or skeptic I think they said

2:04:50Holocaust skeptic I forget what what term they use but none of those things are true and none of them I mean he's got this big I'm very excited for it but he's he's putting together this big peace on world war two and like none of them are going to come back and go oh yeah I got it wrong I apologize no no no no they're not doing that at all they're worthy would have listened to fear and loathing in the new Jerusalem well I said this do I said this to constant and when we were arguing about it on Twitter and I go listen dude I go listen just take I called it my non woke challenge I go take my non woke challenge okay all it takes is an hour of your time listen to the first 30 minutes of fear and loathing in the new Jerusalem and then listen to the 30 minutes in the like he he put out another piece after it I forget the title of it but it took from the history where fear and loathing left off up to like the 80s and there was a it started like around or maybe it was part of fear and loathing but anyway he had a half hour chunk that was on the Jews suffering in world war two and I was like so listen to these two half hours and you tell me if it is conceivably possible that a Jew hating Nazi sympathizer could have ever put this out because it's

2:05:54impossible like it can't and he goes I have listened to it and I was like oh well then we can't talk anymore Matt I mean not in general but I was like we can't talk about this anymore kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile matters that's why trade pros trust fiber cement party backer board to keep tile firmly in place resist cracking and help block moisture chosen in over 40 million kitchens and bathrooms party backer board what the best build on shop now at participating home depot lows and floor into core stores for more information visit jameshardy.com slashhardy backer I think there's something almost more simple that was like look if you listen to what Darrell said on Tucker's podcast he essentially goes he goes you know I say this sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy yeah it was like an anglos accent and I'm kind of being hyperbolic when I say it but I kind of say it to prod but in some ways I think Churchill was the real villain of the war now he didn't commit the most atrocities I'm not saying he was the

2:06:56worst person there but I think he's primarily responsible for this not being maybe like a little conflict in Poland and turning into like the big bloodbath that it did okay say whatever you will about that there's a fair argument to be there I tend to think Darrell's right but maybe maybe he's not but every single person who repeated that would go he said Churchill was the was the real villain and you're like you know what dude we're not doing that anymore like we're just we're not very fine people on both sides and this whole thing like come on dude no that's not what he fucking said and you could take out all that other condo but any honest person looking at that just goes like no that's not what he said and you know in and I was on Pierce Morgan show one more shout out to Pierce but but even when he played the clip he cut out all that context and just played the part where he says the real villain or was was Churchill and you're like I think people have after so many years of this being the constant tactic to like like it's like Pete there's a there's a giant rejection of that and I think that's really good I think a lot of that has to do with Trump winning

2:08:02again I mean there's other factors involved too but I do just think it's like these woke tactics of like where you call everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or this is just not like we're not playing that game anymore or at least it seems like most people aren't playing that game anymore yeah it's not gonna work anymore and the people that are that have their minds made up that have just knee jerk reaction are gonna decide someone's a Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist they're not looking into it at all anyway they they have this cursory examination of the headline good enough I want to run with it and I want to argue with it there's always going to be people like that but the majority of people are like what is this all about what did he actually say well let me listen to a show and then the show shoots up to number one yeah you know when it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast the same kind of thing it's like it's a fucking great show it's a great show and it's not just great about Israel it's not just great about world war two his fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane so good it's so good it's so insane and he does that with

2:09:03everything and he has empathy and compassion and a general like a general desire to empathize and see how someone could join this cult how Jim Jones could turn from this guy who was a civil rights leader yeah he was a civil rights leader in the 1950s I mean this guy was living in a time where he had adopted a black child and was persecuted all throughout town because of it it was genuinely like a real Christian then he's hopped up on meth he's out of his fucking mind now he's in karyana and he's got a whole group of people with him he talks about to kill themselves and the ones who don't they he kills them and yeah it's a crazy tragedy but what Darryl Cooper does is long form editorial like you have to look at it from an editorial aspect because it's it it's opinion but it's also information that he's citing his sources and he's like put yourself

2:10:06in these people shoes which is what he does which is essentially his only like demand yeah it's through all of his work his only demand is like listen you have to if you're gonna listen to my what you have to do your absolute best to put yourself in these person shoes and then put yourself in the other side here and loathing a new Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted imagine these people are your neighbors and he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some of the people there and you don't it's it's cool the way I mean I don't let spoil or alert or whatever it's just the beginning but it's so good but like you almost don't know what he's talking about it first like is this a Palestinian getting fucked over is this like because the story's about you know going in this is going to be about the creation of the state of Israel or whatever but then you realize like oh no this is a Jew in Eastern Europe going through a pogrom and I will say this right as somebody who is fairly well read on the subject compared to like the layman not compared to Darrell Cooper there's levels to this shit it's like I used to think

2:11:07rich Franklin was the best striker in the world and then Anderson Silva thought him and you're like okay he is not but it's Franklin was great but Anderson Silva was amazing but listening to that series it made me much more sympathetic to the Israelis if I'm being honest and I know I heard that from other people too but it does because Darrell insists on doing that like look it's real it's easy now I'm not saying I'm not saying this is an excuse for anything like the the Nakba in 1947 1948 is horrible it's a giant ethnic cleansing campaign you know okay but if you do put this into context you know like the years 1947 okay first of all just think about like even the attitudes of 1947 that you know of like you know just in terms of racism and things like that like very different attitudes in 1947 also you're two years removed from the end of world war two where the quote good guys in the story are the winners in the story are like like Truman who just

2:12:14fire bomb Tokyo dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the bombing of Dresden the bombing of Berlin Joseph Stalin is in the process as this is happening as this is happening of ethnically cleansing millions of of ethnic Germans all throughout Eastern Europe stop this is only a couple years after Stalin's army raped their way through Europe you know what I mean and then of course there's the atrocities of the Nazis and you're the Jewish people who just went through this holocaust and all of this is in the background and you're gonna say you tell me we can't move a few hundred thousand people off their land to create our new state like who's gonna fucking morally lecture us about doing this little thing here you know I'm not saying any of that excuses it and it wasn't the Palestinians fault that any of that happened and so like you but like it is worthwhile like that's what doing history should be right it should be like understanding that these were real human beings these aren't cartoon monsters there was a written down they may have done monstrous shit but like there was something you know going on there and there was kind of like you know it's I think it's just

2:13:16beneficial to understand all of that stuff and you know Monachem Began who is like the worst I mean like was a straight up terrorist I mean and in that series if you remember he talks a lot about like how the evil shit that Monachem Began and the Ergon and the Starn Gang and the Hagenar all that they did they were just straight up terrorists that's what they were doing terrorism in order to drive out and occupying force you can't make this shit up is what led to the creation of Israel and now they're like you know that universally regarded as terrorist groups oh you just self-admitted yeah terrorist groups like we're committing acts of terrorists there were debates about whether we should embrace terrorism or not and the side saying we should embrace terrorism one the day this is how Hime Whitesman he was supposed to be the David Ben Gorean he was the number one ranked Zionist at the time and he stood up and was like yeah we can't do this we can't embrace terrorism like his thing was like we can't achieve a Jewish state by un-Jewish means and which he considered

2:14:18terrorism to be like this violates our religion we can't do this um but even him there was this one point which I had never heard before but I learned it from Darrell Cooper series so I think it was probably the one of the things that stuck with me the most was that um if you remember it's right toward the end uh it's when they're they're doing it you know they're doing the King David hotel bombing and they're doing all this terrorism to try to drive the drive the British out and at one point the British like caught a few of the I can't remember if it was uh um from the Ergon or the Lehigh but it was from one of those two militias and they caught a few of their guys and they like publicly flagged them or something like that and then Minakim Began and his terrorist boys they got a few um of like the the British soldiers and they fucking flagged the shit out of them and then killed them and then booby trapped the bodies so that it fucking blew up more people when they came to try to get it back and then now he's a wanted man at this time Minakim Began so he's like living underground and so he then he did like a radio address and in his radio address he was like

2:15:19he said something like he was like hey just so you know Jews don't get flagged anymore we do the flagging now and look this guy was a bad guy he was a fucking terrorist but there is something so bad ask about that that there is a party that's just like whoo like you you can kind of understand a people going through this fucking collective struggle and then getting to a point where they're like we will be the ones inflicting struggle from now on not the ones receiving it right and I you know look I still come out on the side that I think Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is horrible and inexcusable and I favor a two-state solution I think America should stop funding Israel but I think it's nothing but beneficial to kind of like understand that perspective a little bit more and even though I kind of grew up on the pro-Israel propaganda and then ultimately rejected it that was Darrell's effect on me was being like you know there is like I'm seeing the humanity in the Israeli side a little bit more yeah so give me a fucking break about these people saying like he's some fucking neo-Nazi drumming up Jew hatred it's not true yeah they just they just have

2:16:23established boundaries of what you're allowed to talk about yeah that's exactly right yeah and there's there's you know there's narratives that can't be breached you have to you have to follow it to a tee and that's it that's it and anything else your anti-Samite and he know he's labeled all over the place I'm sure his Wikipedia calls him that I'm sure I mean it's just it there's so many people that have really irresponsibly done that and defamed him and it's fucked up but ultimately it doesn't work it just makes him bigger I 100% agree and then I also think that it's it's almost like it's very obvious I think if you're looking at it with clear eyes that it's like look like okay look look I'm Jewish and I don't wish to see a rise in people hating Jewish people like that obviously I'd be opposed to that but you're gonna you're if you're gonna say that anybody who criticizes the government of Israel or anybody who criticizes the Israeli lobby and the um

2:17:25unbelievable influence that that has over the our our government and you're gonna label all of them as anti-Semites like all right I would think that it would be wiser to at least be thankful that there are people who are not Jew haters who are pointing this out rather than just leaving it to all the Jew haters to be the only ones who are pointing this out like you know it's like you think Darryl Cooper is like okay like what's your goal here to shut him down who do you think's gonna replace him you better hope that there are gonna be as thoughtful and responsible as he is right and they probably won't be they're not too many people are but that's how it always is right I mean this is this is the the problem with suppression the problem with I mean it's it's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists you attack because you think you're gonna stop the terrorism you just create more terrorism you know you think you're gonna stop the people from expanding the narrative and and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established

2:18:25or how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics no you're not you're not gonna do that you're just gonna make people realize that there's a third rail and they don't understand why there's a third rail then they start looking into it and they go oh how much influence does this real have on our country and then they start asking those kind of questions and and this gives way to the rise of anti-semitism I think suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza suppression of that is a cause of anti-semitism because people start start thinking like is there some sort of grand plan to control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day it seems like a big issue yeah well there's also um you know like to the thing literally this is my origin story of being the guy that I am now being obsessed with all this stuff um was seeing Ron Paul first Rudy Rudy Giuliani in 2007 at the Republican primary debate and Rudy Giuliani is arguing about how the terrorists hate us for our freedom and then

2:19:30Ron Paul who I'd never heard of just like this country doctor from Texas with an R next to his name starts going like you know they don't hate us for our freedom they hate us because we're over there like how would we feel if somebody else was doing to us what we were doing to them and then Rudy Giuliani is like yeah that's a pretty absurd explanation that the reason they did 9-11 is because we were bombing a rack and he goes I've heard a lot of absurd explanations for 9-11 and I've never heard anything that ridiculous which by the way was you know Samabed and Ludden's declaration of war on America so like to be like I've never heard of this is not quite the brag or flex that you think it is then Ron Paul just fucking schooled him and was like you know he was like you know who came up with the term blowback the CIA because it's a real thing there is blowback and if we think we can go around the world and do whatever we want to people and that's not going to incite hatred we do that at our own peril like let's be out but for whatever reason for me it was always kind of just easy to connect that like I remember you remember there was the scene in goodwill hunting

2:20:38where like at the end when he breaks him and he's like it's not your fault it's not your fault he starts crying but they finally get some to start talking about the abuse he went through in his childhood and Matt Damon's character is is talking about it and he's like he's like oh he used to lay like a stick a belt and a wrench on the table and tell me to pick and and Robin Williams was like I'd have to go with the stick on that one and he goes I used to pick the wrench and he was like why would you pick the wrench and he goes fuck him that's why I like okay there's something about that that I was always very easy for me to understand like you just get to a point where it's like yeah because fuck you it's like why would why would some Palestinian who's let's say there's in Israeli who kicks him out of his house that his grandfather built that his family's been living in for a hundred years and now that Israeli guy is living in his house and you're watching from like a refugee camp this guy live in your house and as Darrell says in the series he goes now you have no means by which to give that house back to your grandmother but you could burn that house to the

2:21:41fucking ground and like it's easy to look there and go but why would you do that that's irrational and it's like no not really it's really not because it's picking the wrench what's going because fuck you you know what I mean and they're like all of these things it there's always like reactionary movements and like so again like this it's say okay yes you're gonna sit here and for fucking 15 years tell young white men that they're toxic and they're the problem and their masculinity is inherently wrong what do you think's gonna come out of that and then like the same people are like where did this angiotape guy pop up from and you're like you made him you made him if you wanted to make him you couldn't have done a better job look that's the whole fucking story of the Nazis to begin with that we impose the treaty of Versailles and insisted on internationally humiliating these people and crushing them and then fuck you're where these Nazis come from has a reaction to that obviously yeah and we never learn that's what's fucked do you think we're gonna learn more now I mean you have to realize if you're thinking about history this is the first time where people have

2:22:45this kind of access to all the different layers that are in operation all over the world and if you're paying attention and most people aren't but if you're paying attention you have a much broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before and how these things could be avoided and I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying I can stop that war in one day I can we can make deals there's deals that can be made you know we can we could stop all the killing stuff everybody's like yeah finally someone is not gonna do it the way we've done it before I think there's I'm I'm incredibly like optimistic on a long like time period I think that like exactly what you just said I mean it's the the propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed like it's just not you know there's and there's been this I really do think a massive awakening there's there's several factors to

2:23:49this I think COVID is the biggest single one you know I think that there's there was something about imposing such draconian measures on the domestic population like look we start a lot of wars over bullshit but the truth is for most Americans that's kind of over there somewhere and we're living our lives and you know like you might be against it but it's a different thing than like instituting totalitarianism in the United States America which lockdowns were objectively and they did it not only it's not just that they got it all wrong it's that it was you know they were fucking like you mother fuckers made the thing and you knew you did and then you covered it up like there is even now this is like everywhere it's like the shit that we used to talk about a few years ago that was like the controversial you know conversations everyone's talking about them now is just bill mar the other day brought up that like I did you know how crazy is it that we figured out that British intelligence in March of 2020 said that I forget what it was but they said with 85

2:24:49percent certainty this came from the lab you know and then so they did all of this and they got it completely wrong and they were so full of shit that that's kind of that spells been broken people see this now I do think you're right that there was like a tremendous look you know as Ron Paul used to always say the peace candidate always wins I mean like if you in the year 2000 George W. Bush he he campaigned on a humble foreign policy no nation building no using our police not being the policeman of the world with our military it's that people remember that's what he ran and won on barely one but still he won on that and then in 2004 you know John Kerry refused to run against the war and that's why he wasn't able to win and then in 2008 Barack Obama ran on a peace campaign you know destroyed Hillary Clinton in the primary who had all the institutional money all the big support behind her but she had voted for the war in Iraq and Obama said hey that was a big mistake she can't give her the presidency when she made such a big mistake people you know

2:25:49that's right you know and even though he wasn't in the Senate yet when the war in Iraq was going on he hadn't he didn't vote for the thing and he said some beautiful things about closing getmo and ending torture and not fighting stupid wars and and he won like a dominant victory and then in 2016 Donald Trump ran in one on we're gonna stop fighting these stupid and then in 2024 again he wins on this like the American people have spoken now that's a very different thing than the regime machinery itself so that's a different you know battle but the public the battle of public opinion on that has been won and then I do think even though Jamie told us before the show started that there's now they're saying Elon Musk is going to be stepping away from Doge soon and and yes it's true that Doge didn't actually get any drastic cuts through but it is amazing what they have done in terms of like bringing to the cultural forefront the issue of how corrupt government is and so anyway my long term thing is that I think got I think corrupt regimes which unfortunately

2:26:55we live under one I think they are completely dependent on propaganda and that propaganda just broke you know like it we're just getting out of that now and I think there's there's like amazing possibilities dude I I mean three years ago four years ago I couldn't have imagined we'd be here now like I just couldn't imagine that like the COVID restrictions have been completely defeated woke is seems to have been like pretty much defeated you know like this is already just incredible yeah it's incredible it's interesting and there's a lot of possibilities it could go a bunch of different ways and there's also examples of it going sideways like what's happening in the UK and what's happening in other parts of Europe where the totalitarian totalitarian measures are ramping up and they didn't win the war on woke in fact they lost that war that's true that's true they lost that war and I think that's a shining example of the difference true what we tolerated America having the first amendment having that freedom of speech and then also having the second amendment the ability to back that up the you mean people are all you're going to use your I mean

2:27:58I remember even Biden was talking about that you're gonna you're gonna fight off of a fucking jet with your your rifles like that's ridiculous like no but guess what you can't just do what they did in Australia and ship people off the camps in America yeah try that shit and George it's so stupid too because number one um the Taliban just did that to you sir like literally you just pulled out in disgrace of a war that you couldn't win against a bunch of illiterate goat herders with rifles so don't we that we left behind billions of dollars of weapons they got a lot more rifles now and they go on parades with them yeah where they're driving tanks down the street and flying over fucking black hawks but the but of course the point is that well yes if if the US military decided to nuke its own you know population yes you're right our guns wouldn't do any good but the points that that's not what they're trying to do they're trying to rule us and like yeah of course having guns like I look I don't know by the way let's say like the Jews and in Nazi Germany had had been

2:29:02well armed would that have been enough to stop the Holocaust or like if the Ukrainians had been well armed would that have been enough to stop the genocide that Stalin inflicted on them or whatever but I'd be better they are than not like I don't know like yeah it might at least give them a second ago like well we can't go you know and the truth is like if you were to just think the state that we're in right now it's like what let's say they were just like tomorrow some leader was like we're rounding up all the guns in Texas like no you're fucking not could the luck yeah you'll have a civil war on your hands maybe these people are not giving up their guns voluntarily and the thing about people who won't give up their guns voluntarily is if you try to force them to it they have guns especially if they think you're gonna shoot them yeah yeah if you're coming with guns they have guns now you have a fight yeah that's right and that's terrifying and then you're also you're paying someone to go do that's a regular person like this is the thing about people in the army or in the police these are just regular folks who tend to lean right wing and tend to light

2:30:03guns and the second amendment yeah who may not be so keen on you know taking away the second amendment well they'll understand that this is a totalitarian measure and then what's gonna happen is it's gonna be the collapse of what we understand of as America we just America is we think of America in terms of our ability to express ourselves first and our ability to defend ourselves yeah that's why it's number one and number two and it's not to say that this is the entire reason because obviously things like there's many different variables and factors in there it's a complicated history but the a huge part of the reason why America is the most prosperous most successful country and and has largely been the freest country in the history of the world is because of that because the first thing we enshrined in our bill of rights was like listen man the government is and that's and it's not you know it's it's not what the people are allowed to do is what the government is not allowed to do to the people congress all right no law period you know like this is like um it's the fact that this is the only country in the history of

2:31:04the world that was started on that premise yeah and then has gone on to be the most dominantly successful country in the history of the world is not a coincidence no it's not this this is freedom's last battleground yeah yeah and we're in the middle of it right now we're in the middle of it in a weird transitionary time where things are being exposed at a level that have never been exposed before and people have an understanding of how corrupt this system is uh out of way they've never been able to fully comprehend before you you you have an uncle that tells you know what they do is a CIA sends people uncles crazy that guy's out of his fucking mind then Mike Benz explains it to you and shows you charts and graphs and brings up articles and has classified documents that have been released and he's showing you those like yeah yeah yeah well I mean his stuff and I mean look like the the Jeffrey Epstein stuff I mean it's just like again in every in every category that you could imagine just what's happening with the American Heart

2:32:05Association trying to get people to be able to buy sugary drinks and and crap food with food stamps and then you realize oh wait look these companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually donated to the American Heart Association yeah yeah and evidently some uh some Twitter influencers too oh yeah bunch of them yeah yeah well uh um take it in that big Pepsi money and then they're going it is in a sultan liberty to tell people they cannot buy Pepsi so many people that have prominent ex accounts and prominent I'm sure other social media platforms as well they all said the same thing and they're probably being paid because a bunch of people are being paid to sport Kamala Harris and there was a bunch of people that exposed that they showed that the emails that they got we were invited to do this and you get paid like a considerable amount of money to make some sort of a statement saying that you would vote for that person and I guess they said well if you have 500,000 followers here

2:33:06and a million followers there and you add all those up and you give this guy 25 grand this guy 50 grand you get 11 million yeah bro by way I hear constantly people uh when they attack me on Twitter that I'm getting Russian money or Katari money I've never got a god damn check from any of them like guys give me the money I'm already saying the thing I think so like hey why not at this I'm just kidding I don't like your buddy why I get it all the time people think that someone's guiding this show and then I have someone who tells me what to talk about like I would have never had Kurt Metzger on yet that's when you know no one's guiding anything which Kurt Metzger who I love dearly everybody he was screaming about Elon he was screaming about everybody I love Kurt Metzger dearly I've known for over 20 years he's one of the most brilliant comedic minds in the world but let's be real nobody if anyone was guiding anyone with a show they would never allow Kurt Metzger to be on that show he has any time he appears on a show that is proof that there is no big money behind this show well the scary thing for people is that there's not a guide and that

2:34:06it really is the Wild West out here and that's that's real like this like this show is a great example that because this is the number one show in the world and this show is literally me and my phone it's very interesting for me from from my perspective and I'm sure much more for you but like from my perspective is just that like somebody who's like a regular and a good friend of yours and has been on the show many times I mean I get you know constantly people always come up to me as what's Joe Rogan really like which is always an interesting question to me because it's like and I always say my answer is always I go but you already know like you already know what Joe Rogan's like if you watch the show you already know what row it's more of that like I don't know it's that or it's you know like I'm not saying like there's not like any element of like something you might tell a close friend that you wouldn't say publicly but like generally speaking and this is true by the way almost with all of my favorite comedians you know people be like what was Patrice O'Neil like you're like Patrice O'Neil like exactly the guy you saw he was that a lot more of that same goes exactly like that it's just always the case but it was really interesting at

2:35:06least I don't know it was just so entertaining for me after this last election when it was almost they finally had to admit the power that you have you know because like for all those years and we would always make fun of it over the years but like Brian Stelter would be on CNN and he'd be like the fringe Joe Rogan is over here he's very controversial you'd be like controversial it's like there's like 15 million people listening to his show and you're struggling to break 200,000 how do you get to say he's fringe you know like but it's almost like they had to admit after this last election they're like oh and then the way they start going oh we need our own Joe Rogan or we need our own this and it's just I don't know it's very interesting where it's like man talk about like you guys just don't get it well my favorite one was there was a guy on CNN saying that there's a well-funded network of right-wing influencers that are organized and they were trying to make this argument at who are the people like Theo and you Jen Socky was trying to make this argument with John Stewart oh yeah I saw you and she called her out and he was like yeah no that's

2:36:09not right no it's she she was like well it's all a right-wing movement she's like it's more of a comedian libertarian movement yeah yeah that's what I think is more like you know I mean I think I mean I think generally speaking like you know as you've always said you're kind of a mix of like some kind of more sympathetic to left-wing ideas some more sympathetic to right-wing ideas some sympathetic to libertarian ideas but it's just so especially like if you just know the people involved like to describe you and Theo Vaughan as a right-wing network or it's the most disorganized thing in the history of the world organized and well-funded I'm not organized and I guess I'm well-funded but it's not for that no one has been the audience but it's also it's like no one tells me anything like I can have on UFO people I can have on comedians no there's no feedback I have no feedback there's no exchange between me and Spotify in terms of who you got this week what's the month look like tell us the big names we they started at the beginning of the deal they said okay

2:37:16who's gonna be the people the first week and my manager's like hey hey hey it's the same show you bought the number one show in the country he's not doing anything different and they're like well we were like to get some big names out of the gate like yeah yeah yeah like that's not what we do here you know I'm not gonna change it's the same show but the thing it's such a funny thing because it is almost like it's like a you know it's like somebody in a marriage you know like the corporate media I'd say they're like in a marriage and they're just lying through their teeth to their spouse they're constantly cheating on them they're getting caught left and right then they're saying no no no it wasn't that it was you and you're the bad person and all this and they're just like the worst most dishonest fucking obvious liars and then they're like looking over it like someone in a healthy marriage and they're like so what's that guy's trick like how does he do it and you're like it's like he just doesn't lie to her he's nice to her and like I don't know like it's just like the thing is the big secret is that you're authentic and just say what you mean and invite the people on who you're interested in talking to and that that was like the antidote

2:38:19to your insane tyrannical bullshit it's also that I started it not for money I started it for fun and it didn't make money for years and I was independently wealthy like I had money from fear factor right and I had money from stand-up comedy else like I didn't have like a crazy lifestyle I was like I can just I'm fine like this is fun to do I'm just gonna do this and then it just got big and it was so new and I never changed it I just kept doing it this I made it better got better cameras yeah that was it no it's funny sometimes you'll look back at those old episodes and you're like holy shit that's great I don't remember it being that grainy but it was compared to it was was terrible back then and we we just use regular web cams you go to fries electronics and buy we just like regular fucking USB microphone in the beginning plug it into a MacBook the whole thing was so janky it was like and now you know they think somehow another because it's big well some it's been infiltrated it's not that I haven't been offered the people have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money and I'm like yeah yeah yeah that's the I'm glad you

2:39:24didn't make that decision once you have fuck you money you better say fuck you because if you don't you're not you're ruining the one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person to never be beholden to money anymore just be able to like be yourself to do what you like to do I talk or Carlson said about me ones and I thought it was like one of the best compliments I've ever gotten and it really meant a lot to talk or someone I really admire a lot but he was it was a I think Patrick that David if I'm remembering remembering correctly he was on his and it was before like the debate with Cuomo had been announced but it was before it happened and Patrick was like it's like how do you think that's gonna go and Tucker was like luck man he's like the thing about Dave is he is just totally unencumbered by any restraints you know like there's no I mean I think what he meant was just like there's no one who's like cut in his check there's no one who's like there's nothing that holds him back like I get to do the biggest show in the world a lot because you like what I have to say and so then that's it it's not like there's no I feel no like man I wish

2:40:29I could say this but I really can't say that and there's something about that that is like that's the new thing and I'll say I think you and look this is what's really crazy right like the impact of what you did during this election going forward is gonna be and I know you don't like when I like suck your dick too much but I'm just saying uh there's the fact that Trump did the show got such a great response from it Kamala Harris refused and then tried to get you to change what the show was and then obviously in hindsight like oh you know the conventional wisdom as you really should have done that the new normal now going forward for presidential elections is gonna be that the expectation is that you can and not just your show I'm not saying like you're you have to have the candidates on every single four years although I think you should but that's your choice obviously but the new expectation the expectation used to be that two or three times a presidential candidate is gonna have to go do one of these CNN debates where they will be asked these like very narrow

2:41:34questions they'll have 90 seconds to respond you know it'll be Obama you know how do you feel we do this in the war on terrorism be like well first of all thank you and thank you for coming out and we appreciate that's pretty good fluff and bullshit blah blah blah and then and hopefully change that's water saying yeah exactly like there but nothing just emptiness nothing happens and now the expectation is that you got to go have an organic unscripted three hour conversation and probably do it a few different times with a few of the big shows right and you get you know like you get to kind of see that person in a whole different way than we've ever gotten to see presidential candidates before and the truth is that a candidate like Kamala Harris will never be a major party nominee again a candidate who is on this uh what was her running mates wall skittin wall these guys are not because they're not built for that the future is gonna be guys like JD Vance guys like the vaque rama swami guys like Bobby Kennedy tolcy Gabbert and by the way maybe the Democrats will find somebody in there you know we you wouldn't have predicted Donald trump in 2012 Gabin new

2:42:36sim is trying to do that that's why he wants it to be him so bad yeah that's why he's doing his podcast and he's doing a podcast where I'm inviting everybody on well he's at least right for doing that everybody come on in whoever y'all I'm inviting him all hey Gavin invite me on well have a nice well have a nice chat he probably would I'll do he had Steve bannon on Gavin uh mr. Newsom governor Newsom I would uh I would love I would be honored to be on your show we can have a nice civil conversation about the issues you'll probably have you on right now we'll probably hear that and reach out to you look I will give him credit for this he is at least smart enough that like that is the move is to go do a podcast and start interacting and try to figure out I think the issue that Gavin Newsom has is he is he is a very talented old school politician yeah and I think that that um archetype has been rejected yeah and that's going to be very tough I think that going forward like you know you saw um I don't know if you saw recently a few weeks ago uh Bernie Sanders and AOC had like

2:43:38a few big rallies and they're drawn like you know tens of thousands of people to these right now I don't think either of them are going to be the nominate I don't think they're really drawn those people that also might be that also is probably true do you know they got the cell phone data yes yes no I know and it's though I've seen that and they are probably pretty artificial but still there is no way like no one's reading Chuck Schumer's new book no one cares about Nancy Pelosi like the establishment wing is not going to be what the future is it's going to have to be some populist it's going to be Jasmine Crockett I'm not sure she's the one Margie Taylor Green and Jasmine Crockett in a cage fight let's do that's your uh that's your old bit from uh talking monkeys in space you're just like we could go down right yeah you're getting it down so this is the level now you're fucking it yeah maybe you really protected the future yeah I definitely did that was about George Bush getting us into Iraq he got we want he won again how do you want to and then someone in the back of the room going I think we can go down right he's right he was

2:44:40100% right with Tim Walls I mean yeah that guy was almost the vice president of the United States you I'm sure you've seen that thing where it shows Obama saying I need a vice president that's done more than me yeah yeah yeah yeah I think I was saying that I need a vice president done with the man it's so per compliment I need a vice president done with the man it's walls that this way men have tampons yeah you gotta you gotta lose because we got to break this cycle we're getting way too dumb you know regroup it wasn't just that we were getting dumb we were getting scary close to people justifying totalitarian measures you know what Tim Walls in the campaign trail was literally saying free speech does it include hate speech and misinformation oh hey man fuck you yeah how about fuck you because everything that we called misinformation just a few years ago is now being fucking on it's on the front page of the New York Times now that we're allied to I mean the New York Times just printed a thing what turns out we were lied to yeah you lied to us you were a part of it yep you you spit out all of their propaganda without doing what you're actually supposed to do

2:45:46which is be a journalist yep no the only way you can be a journalist today is if you're independent a real journalist you have to be a grand Glenn Greenwald you have to be a Shellenberger you have to be a Matt Taibi you have to be someone is independent as the only way you could do real journalism today it's just too many fucking guard words Glenn Greenwald who is a debatably the greatest journalist of the 21st century and I maybe I'd give it to Julian Assange but he's he's up there um he had to leave the publication that he was a founder of you know the intercept yeah right he had to leave them because they were going the route of propaganda and not letting him tell the truth about Joe Biden and and it's it's a testament to Glenn Greenwald that he was just like okay cool bye and I'll go be just as big without you guys and that's that's another thing that's really interesting about like this which is very recent though right that there was a time like where like cancel culture was so effective I remember thinking this was something that really kind of scared me like a few years ago

2:46:49because it was like you know you'd have these people like some of the people who kind of started getting like big like before me I mean I was I was doing what I do but I I had a slower like progression but like some of these people who shot up to the top you know Milo or like people like that got totally removed from the conversation yeah it was like they were just he's the best example yeah wait this guy was gonna be the guy and then Bill Marshall yeah and and did great on the large compared it in a hitches yeah yeah I remember yeah like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that and and and now it just seems all over the place there's lots of examples of it where it's like they tried a they've tried I mean they they you went through I think the biggest cancellation attempt where they were just like you could see it was like I remember in those few weeks or is like a decision had been made we're going after Joe Rogan and they just emptied every bullet they had and it all just bounced off you and then you see this with like a lot of other people like you know Alex Jones and you take you know however you feel about these guys I'm not

2:47:54even making a comment on you just with them bigger I'm just saying that them getting kicked off every platform has not worked at all and that doesn't work anymore and that's great and and Darrell's another example of that too where they tried to go after a minute just was like not happened just made him bigger yeah it's fascinating so they're gonna have to adjust or go away adjust or perish and I I assume they're gonna perish I don't see them adjusting the only thing that could change is the people that own them like Jeff Bezos is kind of put the clamp down on the Washington Post and said look I don't want any of these fucking crazy left wing opinion pieces anymore I want you to report about lifestyle health news objective news like let's become a fucking newspaper again which is what is that's the only way you have value with everybody otherwise you're alienating literally 50% of the country and the 50% that buy it they have to be retarded because you've been lying so openly about so many different things everything has to be gone through

2:48:54a filter everything so yeah it's and so like it's not even just that they're lying but that they're lying in such a brazen such a 180 degree from reality you know like the the way they've tried to make this threat of doge you know like that where they're just kind of like you know what right does he have to go through all these bureaucratics email bureaucrats emails and what and you when you zoom out it reminds me a lot there's this weird parallel between like what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert with the maha movement where you had this thing where we had like what they'd call a national health crisis you know a pandemic like the all of our focus has to be on this health issue and then Bobby Kennedy just kind of came along and was like can I point out that like there's a real health crisis that we have yeah that's not the one you're talking about it like you're claiming to care about health so much and it's like okay look at autism and and diabetes and obesity and where that like we lead the world in chronic ill-mart disease like all these things like that's kind of

2:49:55and then it was just the the doge thing it was like okay so we have the the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world we spend more than any other government in the history of the world has ever spent we are so far in debt now that the interest on the debt is now I believe last year it was 1.2 trillion dollars and it's going up yeah and the interest on the debt is now overtaking the entire budget like I remember when trillion dollar deficits were crazy you get if we balanced our budget tomorrow we still run a trillion dollar deficit every year just because we owe it on the interest on the debt this is so obviously a crisis and then they're trying to convince you that the real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few of his genius nerd buddies want to open the books like how the fuck can you convince anyone of that well the democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it yeah yeah they're really good at it

2:50:57and that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage they're using the same sentences and you see them all throughout they look whenever it comes to certain issues they're really good at like get staying united and getting out this one message yeah which does which does work to kind of shockingly well but again it is like you can watch it like it's like this thing that's getting diminishing returns and diminishing returns and it's like oh it's not the same old thing isn't working anymore we're also in this big Manhattan project style race to create sentient AI and that's another issue that's going to completely transform society if you think the internet and podcast transform society just wait till you have super intelligent godlike computers that are telling us what we should do yeah and there's um you know look there's some pretty spooky implications of all of that i mean i you know i've read a decent amount about the way like uh the IDF was using artificial intelligence to like track you know like

2:51:59like suspects and stuff like this you know like oh like the the military using AI is kind of creepy but then at the same time you know what what might that do to like people's ability to keep secrets and keep corruption going and you know it's kind of like who gets in charge of that right is going to be a vet that's going to be like the fate of mankind well i think they're prepping for that that's where they're jailing politicians like there's a lot of that going on right now they're they're in a hot panic because you're not going to be able to hide anything anymore it's gonna we're we have just it's gonna come in waves and it's gonna be i mean i'm just guessing what its impact is gonna be but i think the world's unrecognizable in 20 years yeah i think you're probably right and it probably right about that and it's uh you know it's gonna be very it's gonna be very interesting i remember you said like a long time ago i think it was like at that very beginning of the podcast but you had said one thing where like you were like it's gonna be harder and harder to lie that's just gonna be the future where it's just harder and harder to lie and you're talking about

2:53:03just like even how much right now like you know you know like i was i was born in 1983 so i grew up in like the 80s and the 90s and like you could lie back then you could just tell well you can make up stories you make up whatever i used to do this i was the head of this i worked at this company you have to say that just say there was just totally like and you were just like i don't know i mean he says it there's no way to really check that and now it's like you just say like oh i used to do this it's like no you didn't you know what i mean like that's a crazy shift that you know what happens slow enough that you don't run but the more that that goes on and on and the more technology there is and the more with like singularity type shit or the more like wait it's gonna it's gonna become increasingly more and more difficult to deceive people at least with that would be my guess there's gonna be an app in our lifetime that's a lie detector and it's gonna be a hundred percent it's gonna read your retinas it's gonna look at your eyeballs and you're you're gonna use it just the same way use FaceTime and you're gonna have to talk to your boss through that thing and it's gonna be able to tell you what did you do what did you actually do

2:54:07where's the money why is money missing i imagine that just like on politicians though oh boy it's gonna be great get that bitch on Nancy Pelosi yeah just happened to be really good at picking stocks and to change the dead would you like to stick him in front of that though he's still alive isn't it dick chanie i thought he died now that you changed the life is he yeah no somebody i think somebody else i don't know the thing of who you who's the guy who died one of the big ones died uh-huh yeah yeah no someone real evil did die but that guys what's that yeah he still lives another dude's heart so i'm a good dude's heart isn't it crazy all these people died from covid and that fucking guys just still kicking yeah well the thing thing about making it the deal with the devil is you know you get you get paid off at one point in time he had no pulse he had something that was just circulating blood through his body yeah that's gotta be on the bible yeah yeah no there's definitely something to the guy responsible for a million innocent people dying who doesn't have a pulse it and can you imagine it's just crazy like and i don't know like i don't know how much he

2:55:10was acting on his own no like no oh McCain's dead John McCain is dead he's been gone for a while um what i think the chain is dead i feel like there's somebody else who i and but maybe not but you know what's crazy did rump's halt just die i'm not sure there was a fake report earlier this year that dick chanie died oh that's it they got me there's the guy with a scam they got me to face um but isn't it crazy that which but you know like there's a million examples of this um but just like how tone deaf the Kamala Harris campaign was that they now i don't know how much dick chanie they like but Liz chanie they start bringing on his jail chanie endorsed he came out to endorse it and say that Donald Trump is the most dangerous threat to america and then she started campaigning with Liz chanie like as if i mean it's just just forget even like the fact that obviously like i'm the anti war guy and i think all these people are bloodsoaked monsters who should burn in hell for eternity but leave all that aside just the politics of it

2:56:11Liz chanie lost her congressional race by like 50 points what market is that like what margin on the edges did they think like i know i know what i'll move this okay we're down but we're not out bringing the chanies and then we're gonna tell them about how much we love fucking the war in a rack or something like that and it was i think it was just a signal to like military contractors to be like hey we're cool you know like send us some more money internally apparently they're new they were losing yeah they said the from which makes the spending even weirder yeah well evidently the the internal polling there's a few really interesting questions about this because so the it's been reported that the internal polling of Biden before he dropped out was like a crazy landslide way way more than what trump ended up winning by like they had him winning like 500 electric i forget what it was but it was like a crazy fucking blowout and then similarly when come on Harris to go over like they knew but then there's also something interesting where it's like hey so like

2:57:13pollsters could could we ever get the real polls how come like they can figure out the real polls right but then you because there was something like there's only been a few elections in my life that i remember where like it was um it was just obvious who was who was going to win like obama in 2008 right it was obvious right you you could not have convinced anyone like looks like john mccain's the front runner know what fucking does not like this black Jesus is drawn 80,000 people and then john mccain's over here like i think we can do you know it's like clearly this guy's losing and this guy's going to win but the polls reflected that it was like oh yeah bomb is up big in the polls but this year everything you could see taste touch like it was just oh obviously Donald Trump everywhere Donald Trump went he's getting like a king's greeting he's like with all all the culture is totally shifted to his direction if they had an astroturf those conventions for calmer Harris imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up how many people would be there they'd have an arena they it like it would have been imagine like right it wasn't people coming to see

2:58:15Beyonce and they just had to come see Kamala Harris and you know it's it was uh this campaign was the the Kamala Harris and this is part of the reason why even though i am uh really upset with Donald Trump and i'm set with a lot of the cabinet people too i mean i look bobby i will say does seem to at least be doing some real structural like he's he's talking about really you know changing some things at the health department i think it maybe he could take a break from tweeting about the virus of anti-semitism um but whatever uh Tulsi i'm really upset with over you know her like cheering on these these strikes i you know i thought she was supposed to be the one who was gonna stand up in that signal group and say something and not just leave it to JD um and i think Donald Trump's messing up in a lot of ways but i really at least at this point like if he invades around and we have another war there then i i will apologize for voting for him then i think i made a mistake and i shouldn't have done that but short of that i do think it was the right thing to do and part of it was like that that had to be exposed because this Kamala Harris

2:59:19ticket it was the most astroturfed ticket ever you know like it's one thing look Obama had a lot of institutional support it wasn't as organic as they made it out to be you know like but there was a lot of real support like he did have real grassroots support she was just she never won up she didn't win a primary she didn't win a delegate when she ran for president she didn't even make it to Iowa it was all fake it was all phony and it was like that had to be exposed it's dangerous that's dangerous yes yes if they can get that through with her even if you like her anything she would have done a great job at scary that you're giving that kind of power and the same people that were auto-pending all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge for another four years if not forever yeah that's right and the and and look even you know you could say whatever that Joe Biden just feared that Donald Trump would abuse the justice department which is you know a little ironic to accuse him of the thing you're actually guilty of doing but to go out and to pardon your family and forget the family even because that's a little less relevant but to pardon Fauci

3:00:23yeah and go back to 2014 yeah well why did you pick that year yeah you know Joe I mean obviously Joe Biden didn't pick anything but what who's the person who picked that we got to go back and give this guy blanket immunity going all the way back like come on dude yeah what the fuck it's crazy that's I mean too much it's crazy and who who really signed that that's the other thing the thing about using auto-pand for riding all those pardons does that count is there a legal battle about that well also if you can't remember if Mike Johnson testifies that he brought up the the natural gas deal and he's like why did you yeah why'd you go and he's like I didn't yeah he's like no you did and then he asks to be alone with Mike Johnson so he always has handlers with him and then when he's alone with them then Biden tells him I didn't sign that yeah well it's and then you realize it's the same signature well when you're the level of senile that Joe Biden was it's like it leads to the question we're like so how easy was it for everybody to manipulate you

3:01:27also because you could just tell him he did or didn't do something and he may not you know like he is remember like we don't know you know like I'm there was this one thing look like one of the things on October 7th and I try I try almost to avoid this topic sometimes because I don't want it to come off like I'm downplaying the horrors of of October 7th like I'm asked in invaded Israel they did some really fucked up shit they indiscriminately killed a bunch of civilians and they had grenades and rifles and they did it was horrible they took a bunch of hostages and it's you know everyone else really anything however there were some claims that were made that turned out not to be true the 40 beheaded babies and some of the like claims of mass rapes and stuff like that just turned out not to be true they were said in the fog of this thing whatever I'll give the benefit of the doubt of like you know maybe it was you know I think they were kind of abused by some politicians in order to get you to turn your brain off and be very emotional and not pay attention to what this response is going to be but Joe Biden claimed that he had seen the videos of the beheaded babies and then

3:02:28it turned out to just like that never happened and then you're almost wondering you're like was he lying does he not remember did someone just tell him that you've seen that and because he's a senile man you know a liar like his whole life that's all that's right it's so it's it's like impossible to know because he's also been a liar his whole life he's also the guy who's like I was first in my class graduated with multiple degrees that blah blah blah you're like none of this is even kind of true none of it's even kind of true yeah and it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents but yet you're fine giving out pardons yeah like how do you look at me with a mental disease give out pardons that seems like that's the guy to manipulate it if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office yeah how's that that seems like that seems like those shouldn't be legit well look on on its own of course not but on its own uh that and and there were things that come above that to me like covid and the

3:03:30Warren Ukraine and you know a whole bunch other shit but that alone is like Kamala Harris and the corporate media and the damn they had to lose yeah you can't do that you can't emperor's new clothes the entire American public and like fuck it just lie through your teeth pretending this guy's not a vegetable wild times Dave Smith we gotta wrap this up all right bitch home thank you sir thank you death you're also appreciate you very much tell everybody how they watch your show oh part of the problem is my podcast where I talk about all this political news stuff and then Legion of Skanks is where I'm a degenerate uh with my comedian friends uh check both of those out um skank fest is in New Orleans this year if anyone wants to go that's gonna be a lot of fun I believe it's September nice of uh this year and then uh you know commentate Smith dot com if you want to come see me on the road beautiful all right bye everybody