Joe Rogan Experience _2238 - John McPhee

0:00I Joe Rogan experience Yeah, how are you man great great it was nice to meet you at F1 and I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan I fucking love that dude. Thanks man. Yeah, Sean is he's the man. He's awesome. I love Sean I'm so glad there's guys like him doing this that there's this more people like him that are like Finding new ways to like you know media is it's so wide open now Yeah, and it's not you don't have to get hired by a television station anymore You can just start your own shit and Sean shows fucking great. Yeah, he's great. Sean's I love him as a person Yeah, I love him too. He's great. He's an awesome dude And I loved you on that show, but god damn man that show was crazy like your childhood was so nuts dude Yeah hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old Dude, I brother Fuck dude your whole story was so nuts man. I was listening to it in the sauna this morning

1:02And I was like oh my god, so I'm there cooking 95 degrees listen to you Usually 20 minutes, but I kept going I'm like his life was so fucked up I feel like I shouldn't bail right now. I should keep listening. I feel like like I'm but I'm not the only one You know what I mean? I feel like where I was in the army is full of guys just like that. Oh 100% Yeah, 100% yeah, and I think in some well fighters as well, you know a lot of fighters I know like Sean Strickland a lot of guys I know I had fucked up childhoods I think it gives you an extra gear I think when you can get through a childhood like that you got an extra place that you can go to yeah That other dudes can't go to it and in your line of work that comes in very handy Yeah, well, I think it works like this I Never heard it as an extra gear, but here's the way I always equated it You know you're gonna get a beating and it's coming at 5 o'clock You know you know after dinner you they're gonna be hammered and this is another argument in fight and it's a pattern

2:08Right and you know this as a kid right and what happens is you got to take that beating and then like put your church clothes on We're going to church. You know what I mean? Yeah, and the truth is like I'm um I think my my brother more than me, but I think my mom actually had him convinced that we were super bad kids and like you know We were I don't know a couple years ago. I was like, you know like you ever met a actual bad like four or six or eight year old No, it's I raised right and then it was kind of like yeah I think it was an eye opener for him, but like it was always our fault Well, that's a thing you can convince kids of almost anything you can convince them that's their fault Yeah, you can convince them that they're bad kids and then they feel bad for the rest of their fucking life They feel like a piece of shit. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there that didn't do anything wrong They just raised my shit heads and for their whole life they feel like garbage. Yeah, and they don't know why Yeah, I agree It's so hard to snap out of that too and it takes something for you to do that makes you feel

3:09valuable and worth what like you have to kind of like relearn who you are as a person Yeah, some people never do yeah, and then they you know find meth or heroin or something that takes the edge away Yeah, they can just exist. Yeah, well, I'll tell you that was the army for me like the first time I ever felt like Like I fit in or I was with people like me right was when I was you know in Ranger battalion Yeah, I think fighting is the same way a lot of those guys the only time they ever feel normal is when they're in a gym with a bunch of other Savages, yeah, it's like guys who want to do that for a living, you know Generally something fucking terribly wrong happened when you're young. Yeah, put this anger this monster inside of you Well, I tell you that I tell people all the time jujitsu's my sanity. Yeah Jiu-jitsu's meditation man because if you are doing jiu-jitsu you can't be thinking about anything else right so it cleans your mind up You know we were talking about bow hunting. Yeah, I think that's the same thing. I think in a different way

4:12It's just when you're doing that. It's so difficult. You can't think about anything else, right? I love when I'm I don't even care if I get or see an elk today the places I go to get these elk right I could just sit there all day anyway. I know you know I mean the fact that like one of these majestic beasts is gonna walk 20 yards from me fucking bonus You know what I mean like I just you know what I'm saying like and I feel the same about jujitsu, you know like I always like in jujitsu when someone does like what you call high level jujitsu to me as it's happening like Couldn't I don't care if you're smashing my fucking face. That was amazing. Are you kidding me like let's take a moment here It's amazing that someone can do that. Yeah, you know I remember when I was first started jujitsu I was like 30 years old and I thought I was a badass I had kickbox that won a bunch of Taikwondo tournaments I thought I knew how to fight and I remember one day when I was a wipe out this purple belt just

5:13Raped me. I mean he was my size. This was what drove me crazy He wasn't bigger than me and he just destroyed me just destroyed just did whatever he wanted trying old me armed Bard we choked me and I remember walking out of there going I can't first of all what a like Shift of like who you are in the world knowing that someone can just do that to you not a bigger guy like someone your size can just You're helpless and then I remember thinking I got to get good at this like that having that as a skill That's like one of the greatest things you could ever have like because that's what martial arts was supposed to be when we're kids Like that the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique correct When to horse Gracie came along you never really saw that the bigger guys always won right then hoist Gracie all the sudden He's killing people from his back. We're like what is going on? Yeah, yeah, he's losing. He's not losing He's like He's struggling some guy with his legs. We're like what the fuck is this? Yeah, I agree. I agree. I tell you

6:17I met hoist like we you know in the early days we'd bring hoist and Horyon was actually the first Gracie I met before hoist right but we'd bring hoistin and like watching these guys like You know we'd get like 60 guys up on the mat and this is hard to do and this is a lot of guys because it's hoist, you know and he would Run through every dude. Yeah, every dude and it was like not like not like it was a close match It was like whatever dude from the DFO stepped in front of him was the 12-year-old child against the fucking an adult Yeah, you know what I mean like he just fucking handled everybody and I remember one of those times He just fucking I did something and he sent you down on me like a spider and I couldn't fucking move and he goes Yes, I did not think of this this is good move and I was like I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing Like you you know what I mean? I wasn't even a white belt yet It was just he was just fucking me up, you know, but I knew like right then and there I was fucking helpless

7:18Yeah, it's like and like yo unacceptable You know what I mean yeah, right? Unacceptable yeah, like you gotta learn this you got to know some of it, you know what I mean and even back then like we would all tell hoist You know because we were more Moitai. We would train a lot of Moitai boxing right wrestling a lot of wrestling You know before the Jets and like we would tell hoist back then as soon as you learn the punch you are super dangerous Which is I think where it is now this episode is brought to you by the farmers dog dogs are amazing They're loyal they're lovable like just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better I'm sure you love your dog just as much and you want to do your best to help them live longer healthier happier lives And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food just like it does for us There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important So how do you know if your dogs food is as healthy and as safe as it can be well

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10:21That extra I think wrestling is like the foundation That's the one thing because then you can dictate whether the fight goes to the ground or stays up You know, and then once you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler to learn. It's pretty similar It's the same sport. I used to wrestle and it's like the cradle for the pin versus an arm bar Right sure and dars jokes. Yeah, these different things come from similar positions, but then Stand up, you know, you have to have stand up today because every I think you know, I've been talking about this a lot I don't think I think what you have a fight and there's five rounds to say have a fight if a guy's Mounted on top of a guy at the end of the first round I think the second round should start with that guy mounted on top of you I don't think they should start standing up because it doesn't make any sense like you didn't earn that stand up That guy took you down he got on top of you. He's mounted on you You're about to get fucked up and then also you ever reprieve from the governor Yeah, reset round is over. Yeah, and now you're standing up again, and if you're a striker, that's your world

11:21But you didn't earn that position right it's one fight. It's not five fights. It's one fight Right, so why should you have a beginning of every round where you're standing up? Yeah, I agree I agree with that if I could change the rules That's the first rule that I would change I would say you whatever position you were in at the end of the round That's where you start I completely agree with that and I always feel like that it just fucks you up Yeah, you know what I mean? And then you know this doing jujitsu is like seconds matter And this fight could turn around in seconds But those seconds can't happen if we stop this early 100% yeah, I agree with that Well, the early days were wild right because there was no time limit That's when I watched the early days is my hey day like I could not get enough. I was you know Fight dummy for hoist for soccer rob uh who else oh hoist so okay, I'll tell you a quick story about hoist He uh he comes out we're doing just with him and I'm a new guy so I'm like hey you could share my wall locker right and you got a wall locker

12:24And you got like your towel because the showers down the hallway you know what I mean like I have my clothes right and then so hoist Put his family pictures and I didn't notice this but they slowly did this him and my team Retagged everything with like my last name and team numbers with hoist Right so they retagged all my gear is hoist right they uh hoist put his kids pictures up over mine Right it one day. I'm in the I'm in my locker like Is this my locker like what the fuck what the fuck is going on? And I'm like whose kids are these like And then hoist is like you know, yes, you like my kids and I'm like oh those are your kids like Now this cool right like Years later. I'm in Iraq and I'm like I gotta go for like one of these surges in the fluza with another squadron And like their ops are major call me by name and it's like I've been in Iraq like 30 seconds These guys are call me by name like what the fuck you know and then he was like we're getting your stuff

13:25It's on uh, it's on the helicopter. You need to get on this little bird. We're leaving like 20 minutes and literally I got on a little bird They bring my kid over I get my shit on right and they're like yo who shit is a roise is there a roise? Rice You know what I mean and then like my baggers want it's fucking still tagged with hoist's name That's hilarious. That's hilarious So you started training martial arts in when you were in the military in the unit. Yeah in the unit Did they have like was it like technical training? Did they teach you did you did they have like real instructors or How does it work? Yeah, so uh in training when you kind of make it to the unit. There's a hand-to-hand program A lot of the hand-to-hand program is like traditionally like you got a cuff people You know what I mean like which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is a foundation for a lot of shit, right? You know you learn that stuff like how if you have a weapon how to like approach somebody if they grab your weapon what to do so it was all like

14:28weapon focused like More like self-defense But I think back then in my day right in the 90s it was still bro come at me like this You know what I mean and you're like why the fuck would I stand like this ever like what the fuck was I doing that got me here You know what I mean like So it was always some back then there was a lot of hoax focus So we kind of had our own training program and then as my years the training program got better because we started getting hoist We started ground fighting, you know I think the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student was like uh, you know weapons retention Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know two man cuffing procedures Searching and then like how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the ground right which is all stuff you have to know Right, but there wasn't a lot of like just one-on-one no no, it's like, you know You're in that you're in the gym. They roll out the wrestling mat and it's like

15:31Okay, come at the guy like with your rifle You know, yeah, a bunch of fucking white belts basically like out there fucking around basically What did does it was it like there was there a system like a training system? Yeah, yeah, there was a there was a system back then and the system was really um I think kind of four things without uh really Knowing what they did back then I went through the training, but I don't really know what the Hand the hand was back then until Later when I was like in the hand hand program or fighting with guys, you know what I mean I would say this back then I'd say it was wrestling It was uh moi tie right it was a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some Filipino martial arts Colle yeah, we had guys that would do the sticks. I know a little bit of the sticks, you know like first time We got smacked 37 fucking times around the head was another guy There's guy with these sticks who's like what the fuck was that like how do these sticks move so fucking fast, you know

16:35Good with that are very impressive. Yeah super impressed. So I think that was really the foundation like and you know Maybe like some I don't know like dirty boxing. I would kind of imagine, you know what I mean Yeah, clinching punching stuff like that did why did the Filipinos develop that stick fighting like we're Oh, man, like weird weird like one culture is known for their stick fighting. Yeah, yeah kind of odd Yeah, but I I love all that uh that this stick fighting what are they called a pontu-kin? Whatever the dirty boxing they do like All very Make your opponent off balance at the same time you can strike or if they are trying to strike you knock them off balance stuff. I'm just I've always been so fast and how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting like the ties Figured out the best way to fight stand up. Yeah kick the shit out of the legs. Yeah fucking kick his leg Elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch. Yeah plong knees. Yeah the knees to the body knees to the face

17:38They figured out striking in a way that nobody else had is weird that they did it Yeah, and I think it's just because of the competition all the time in the betting Yeah, because like they were fighting so often and they had so much money on the line for fighting that they developed a very Pragmatic way of fight because they were fighting all the time. Yeah as opposed to like karate or any of these other things I don't think they were really fighting as much well We don't I mean think about America like prior to Mike Tyson boxing was kind of like Americans if they would have seen like Hicks and Gracie You know Hicks and Gracie would have been popular in like the 70s or 60s people have been like Well, that's not civilized fighting. You know what I mean like right get your dukes up This has got to be fair. You know what I mean Americans have a a very fair sense of what fighting should be like Americans hate like dirty fighting and but you know all the all moist eye and and Colley and all that they that was all seen

18:38You know those guys would come from Asia fight around the states here if I can kick everyone's ass and people still wearing attracted to it Did you ever see there's one fight that's like one of the most important fights in kickboxing or Rick Rufus Who is like the king of American style kickboxing like above the ways kickboxing Thought this tie guy. I forget I can't pronounce the guy's name correctly So I don't want to butcher it But this and Rick Rufus was fucking him up in the beginning. He dropped him He had him in real trouble Rick Rufus was really good. Well, this dude just kept chopping at the legs chopping at the legs and by the end of the fight ricks in a heap on the ground and his own brother Duke Rufus Who became a world-moyed tight champion himself later and became one of the best trainers in MMA? This is so this is the fight what happened? Oh I'll show you the name. Oh That's how is his name good luck saying that yeah But oh this is not this is a different this is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting that's not This is it the fight that changed

19:39Kickboxing so this this fight well this isn't it. This is a bunch of other shit go go into the fight itself That's fucking no just go for the forest. I've seen chuck in there. Chuck was legit chuck was really so this is the fight So in the beginning Rick Rufus who's like this above the way kick see drop some of the left hand Rick was really fucking good And he was really good, but they just didn't know anything about the leg kicks and after the fight like his brother Duke was like Well, I don't think there's any skill involved in kicking the legs and he was saying that look he drops him again So he dropped him two times look like Rick is fucking him up But this tie guy just keeps probably had 200 fights. Yeah, he just keeps kicking at the legs And after a while Rick's legs are just dead. I mean the tie guys getting lit up But Rick became an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this but no one knew they just they just didn't know So as the fight goes on and this is like a huge like challenge match He like he drops him with this leg kick

20:41After a while Rick just can't move anymore and this dude He ain't even running away well. No, his legs are dead right now And he's just getting every time this ties kick and I'm he can barely walk and at the end of the fight He wants up in a heap Because he just doesn't know you know, he doesn't know yet and he's getting dumped to like look at this fucking low kicks Devastating low kicks and at the end of the fight He's just in a heap on the ground. Yeah His kick had no power there, but the thing is like Rick was really fucking good back in the day So when you that that didn't show the end of the fight But at the end of the fight he just he brutalized him with just low kicks The ties had figured something out the nobody had figured out and it's kind of shocking That this one area of the world like this one small island that they figured it out. Yeah kind of crazy. I love it Yeah, I love it too. It's just and then Brazilian jujitsu, right? Yeah, yeah until you know my eta comes to Brazil In like the 1930s or some shit whatever that whenever that was and then they go the Brazilians like, huh?

21:45I think we can fix this Yeah, and they start like you know because ilio was a small guy and helio is like going Well, what about if we just did it this way? We'll fall with leverage and just instead of using strength we use technique and Changed everything. Yeah, change martial arts forever. Yeah. I love it. I love all of it. Yeah. I'll tell you that leg kick is my go-to and I rack and I've Can't I stand you know what I mean like I get about this far from you This is good distance for me you can't grab my weapons, but what I would do is I'd throw the tie leg kick But I wouldn't aim for the middle of the thigh. I don't care about your pain. I'd hit your knee and either It's going to break your knee or it's going to knock you out of your little fucking slippers And then I just stand on your neck Yeah, it's it's one of the most effective things you could do you take away someone's base Yeah, and you know, it's a crazy thing about MMA is now we're learning that kicking in the calf is actually Even more effective than kicking in the thigh. Yeah, because there's no meat there

22:46Clam a shin into that and then all of a sudden your foot goes floppy It doesn't work anymore your legs useless. It's crazy And we've figured that out over the last five or six years, which is really nuts like Michael Bisping It was a world champion told me when his whole career without ever getting kicked in the calf Well, and that was like you know four or four or five years ago He was a world champion and when his entire career without getting kicked in the calf nuts It's nuts. It's like it's constantly changing and evolving Like people find something that works and they're like, oh, what about this? I love that it's always evolving too Well martial arts have evolved more in the last 30 years and they have in the last 30 thousand years I agree that's a fact. Yeah, that's a fact Yeah, that's kind of shocking you think about how long people have been fighting I don't know you know, I see this you know, I shoot every day. I teach people to shoot all over the country all the time right and It's kind of interesting to me that um I don't think it works like that, you know what I mean like you would you would think people would have been doing this right the whole time

23:50But there's like a lot of myth involved and and it gets watered down over time I think a lot of times even in shooting. Yeah, like what are the myths in shooting? So fucking many man do we got the time I just fucking shred this shit the inner a I go to all I speak at the n-er-a shows like The n-er-a hires me. I speak at all the n-er-a show this year. I actually got roofied in fucking Dallas at the n-er-a show Yeah, no shit. Do you know who did it? So is the fucking this is crazy, right? Okay, I have an assistant right um, I don't know. She's like 30 blonde girl pretty girl Her and her husband are or with me and I'm with like this surefire representative like yo, sorry. We got you roofied by the way And then like some other guys, right and We get done with the show and we just go have a drink or two and we're going into like the hotel restaurant to eat a nice dig dinner you know what I mean? So

24:50We get around to drinks and it was like well old-fashioned is what it was well old-fashioned and my assistants like a sit next She's like I just can't drink anymore You know what I mean like these are horrible Fashions. I just can't like just can't drink these anymore. It was like hey, we'll be a dinner in a minute They got good booze at the good restaurant. Well get anything you want right? So she's like okay So I was like here. I'll take it so I held my cup up and then I kind of held my cup up the surefire guy Her husband and she kind of fills us all up equally And so so somebody was trying to roofie her her Right so yeah, this isn't Dallas right so okay, so We go to dinner. I don't like it this way goo burger. It's fucking delicious. I'm kind of buzzed I'm drinking good whiskey. You know what I mean? We're having a good time right. I love good food right So I'm having a great time her husband's at the end of the table and all of a sudden and now this is like within 45 minutes of that drink which I also didn't know right so

25:54His head hits the table boom and I look at him and I'm like like Like is he okay? And then like You know how like you know them blow up pools where you pull down the side and the water just kind of yeah glides over the top Yo his mouth opens and it was just like whoa across the table You know what I mean? And I was like I pushed away from the table like so it didn't leak on me And I was like we got to go you know what I mean? It's time to leave You know what I mean? I'll get the check by the front door or something. You know what I mean, right? We definitely it's time And you aren't feeling it yet. No, I wasn't I didn't I didn't feel anything yet, right? So Okay, so it was like I never seen this happen to this guy ever right so he this isn't him like So it's kind of weird right so my assistant's like hey, I'll take him up to the room. I was like, okay Well, we're gonna go have a few more drinks at the bar, right? So me and the other guy go to the bar She goes up to her room, right? I don't know any of this is happening But as soon as they get to the room had a securities

26:56Not going on the door so my assistant answers and I guess the guy was like is is there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here? And she's like he's in the bathtub naked right now like and then had a security like hey, we watched the tapes Ton of info comes out Right, so I don't know who did it. I think so but like uh and then did it tell you? No No, no they they talked to my assistant and then her husband right like so I go down to the bar right I put my credit card on the bar and like I fucking party till all hours of the night. You know What did I learn if you roofie me like you're gonna wait six hours to get that booty because once you give me drugs I want a party baby, you know what I mean like So I'm out like I don't know what the fuck that the surefire guy fucking Peters out on me Probably just in the lobby alone like It's fucked up. I don't know the bottom. Do you know what was in it? Fuck no, there's just something it wasn't one necessarily roofie roofing all. Yeah, probably something. I don't know what it was

28:01so The next day we check out right shows over we check out so My assistant's knocking on my door right and I'm a get up early guy. I do my cardio You know, so I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door right so I answer my door And I'm like thinking the fuck is she doing here so early right both of her and her husband And she's like, you know, I'm glad you're okay, and I'm like What you know what I mean, and she's like what what she looks she's looking at me. She's like Not you too, and I'm like me too what you know what I mean. I'm kind of foggy right Uh It was like fucking it was check out his after checkout time I slept to like fucking one in the afternoon the next day. I had the worst fucking hangover ever like if that Would roofies do the hangover? I understand why people don't do them recreationally, you know what I mean like I had the worst fucking hangover so she's like Does anybody get tested to find out what it is? Mm-hmm. No, they had to fly home that afternoon

29:04They got me in my sprinter van. I had to go do a class like somewhere else. I was on the fucking road So like she got me they drove me to breakfast got me something eat kind of sober me up a little bit right and then They went to the airport drop me off and I drove somewhere else in Texas. I was working here um, and then uh, you know the the head of security Talked to her and her husband called him a couple days later check on him make sure they were okay, but Long story short is we had around the drinks that none of us ordered come to our table And they came to our table from the same waitress that we had You know what I mean? So somehow we got around the drinks and we even paid for them and when I got the bill like I don't know we had two drinks and we were getting ready to go and then the a third one came and I just figured Someone one of these someone ordered it, you know what I mean? It'll be fine and then I just paid for it all didn't not even think of it And so did the security know who roofie did uh, I think so I think so I think they told my assistant

30:05I think they and you didn't ask her no, I don't care yeah I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you Oh, you know what I'm saying? I like I don't think I mean All right first and foremost. I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day and age and you got to keep your safe So there's that right, but uh, I also think like uh, I think it was like They know all these people are in for these conventions So they try to drug somebody and just problem just fucking you could have just took my I'd have handed you my wallet It would know there's not a crime you happen to a buddy mine recently. Oh, yeah Yeah, he met this girl and they go back to his place and then he wakes up the next day and he's robbed Stole his Rolex stole 25,000 dollars in cash from him, but he got tested and he had um, I think it was Xanax She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink and he was just out Do you know what the fuck happened came to the club afterwards? We saw it all fucked up came to the comedy club. He's comedian Hans Kim shout out the Hans

31:10Hilarious guy. So he's like something happened. I don't know what happened. We're like, hey man Go to fucking go get tested right now while it's still in your system So he goes and gets his hair tested and they they found that there's roofies in him damn I don't know you can be tested. Yeah, you can be tested. Oh shit But you there's like a time period you they if you test hair It'll like last a little longer and I think he laid waited a day so they had a test hair But within a certain time period they could test you and find out what it is and they said did you take any Xanax? He's like no, like you have a lot of Xanax in your system that apparently that's one of the things that they give people to rob him Dang does it cause a hangover? I'm sure Fuck you if you're gonna drug me it's gonna whack you out of drug me You know if you go rob me like I just want to say this to the world if you're gonna fucking rob me like Give me the non-hangover shit. You're getting my shit anyway. What is the non-hangover shit? Fuck I don't know whatever that shit is you know more about drugs than me I don't think it exists. I don't think it exists. Damn it Joe I think it's prescription stuff or GHB. I know a lot of people give people GHB. I've heard of that

32:13That just get you like you don't know what the fuck's going on. I've heard of people getting roofied that way If I was a woman I'd be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody Fuck dozer I've talked to so many ladies that have had their alcohol drug by someone When we go to bars they keep the fucking handover they drink all the time Even when they're turning around looking away because they just never know some kind just drop something in there real quick Next you know you're going home with them. You don't even know where you are. I had a buddy He doesn't even drink like someone convinced them to have like a grout glass of wine small town north Carolina And like the cops pulled him over like No, you know not far down the road and he was like I don't know what's going on But I can't feel my hands you know what I mean like and he's like he's just a regular guy You know and they brought him back to the station and someone had put I think it was a little bit of fentanyl And in the wine and like he he left and he said he felt fine and he was a drive and he said Like I don't feel right even though like he doesn't really he had one glass of wine like you might he'll even drink

33:16You know, I don't even know why he had a glass of wine someone probably talk him into it You know, I mean he probably didn't even finish it He's like he you know he said he was lucky He felt lucky Fucking non-human people out there. I'm telling you that's one of the things I want to talk about today is like there's fucking real evil in the world and in Iraq We're in Afghanistan you go into these Fucked up places where they've been like I don't know fucking raping beheading people fucking Tribal shit forever forever like there was buildings. I didn't even want to fucking go in like you'd you'd go And you'd be like every fucking hair on my body just be standing up And I mean at the doorway I mean like I don't even want to clear this fucking building You know what I mean? And I don't know fucking why but I know there's fucking old evil in this world. Evil is real. It's fucking real And if you've never experienced you can walk around delusion. Don't think oh come on it's real you can feel it like When I'm around real evil shit Only two places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg And fucking in Iraq

34:16Get it's Afghanistan. Yeah, I felt that like I did Because I felt evil before and it like makes me want to throw up it hurts my stomach like in the area of Gettysburg Yeah, yeah on the battlefield stepfather felt the same thing and he's not woo woo at all He's like a real straight edge guy. Fuck man. And then said it felt so creep. I was almost gonna me and Me and my son were out there ghost hunting right and we were both gonna throw up and I didn't tell him but like I had felt that feeling it's crazy that you said about Gettysburg because My stepdad's never said anything like that before and he said just the feeling it was so sad and creepy And you just wanted to get out of there immediately makes me want to throw up that feeling. I think places have memory I really believe that well I think it's energy and I don't think it can be created or fucking you you've talked to science guys right? Energy don't go away, right? Well, I think you just don't see it and you can't measure it So you assume it's not there, but I think that's one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house they have to tell you about it

35:19Right they have to because like people they they know like there was John Bane Ramsey's house when I lived in Boulder I lived in Boulder for a while we were looking at houses to buy and there was this one house There's like really cheap for the house. I was like this is a nice fucking house They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house Because everybody knew that it was the house that John Bane Ramsey had been killed in oh They couldn't fucking sell the house and we were like yeah, fuck that house We were looking at the house on like Zillow and we're like oh, that's a beautiful house Maybe we should go check out this house and then we found out like oh That's why they can't sell it like oh, man like they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house Fuck that. Yeah, she was just bulldozed it. They should a bulldoze it and then What do you do about the ground that's still there? You still would would you want to live in the place where the bulldoze the house for a little girl getting kept fuck that not Not even not even joking about it. I don't want to live there. No, no one wants to live there I don't even know what it is now. I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it Yeah, I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area

36:21You know what I mean and like some of them houses were creepy for no reason and some weren't you know what I'm saying like yeah Yeah, there's something there's something to that but uh, hey, I was I was in Iraq and I was in one of them like You know, Uden Kusay like fucking rape to people them guys were evil You went to like they're like they're palace. Oh, they're kind of shit. Oh My yeah, I carry the I carry their bodies off an airplane and had a guard them Until they got cleaned up by the Morgan DNA tested But uh Them fucking guys them palaces like they would pick up like fucking 12 year olds off the street. They didn't give them the dog The lions we found them fucking so Oude had lions and the lions were it's not funny, but I mean it's kind of humor. I think it's funny Uh, the lions were like on the The army side the big army side and they were inside this fence right and then

37:21The lions were like just lazy as fuck didn't care about no army guys and in one day I seen a lady and kids walk by and they're just behind chain link and then fucking lions went nuts and I knew like Only that fuck yeah Fuck yeah, they were fucking evil So many horrible stories about those guys that they would find a woman who was getting married and uh They would rape her and then feed her to their dogs. Yeah, or then fucking carp outside the palaces You know them big lakes Full of these giant carps that just while gonna eat bodies like you read about Yeah, but uh, so I was down in one of those one night just cuz like I could be and I have my flat Like always been fascinated by ghost hunting by the way Uh, so I'm down there by myself just exploring you know what I mean and like Fucking doors slammed on me, you know what I mean? I was freaked the fuck out and I'm the only one down there You know what I mean like freaked me the fuck out man

38:22And the energy down in those fucking like rape rooms or whatever. No, I don't know the fuck you call it like they they fucking bad shit there It's just like I don't know like it it Like you ever ride like a roller coaster and it like turns your turns your stomach. Yeah, that's how it feels to me in them rooms I don't know what that is but it makes me also want to throw up and the stronger it is the more I feel like I'm gonna throw up But um Such fucking monsters It's just so crazy that that that story repeats itself over and over again like the sons of kings Yeah, they grow up that yeah, I always was just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the time they're a child Yeah, yeah, I got I got beyond this if I could clone myself And I'd had like a mini me right now. I would abuse them Just to make sure he grows upright. I would raise him right, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't and I when I say abuse him. I mean like for some to work hard. Yeah fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life

39:24I mean like yeah, I had a guy like I had a I don't know what he was I was in the middle east somewhere and one of the guys asked me like our American baby Stupid and I'm like what and he's like our American baby stupid and I'm like why and he's like well in America Like there would be a fence at the edge of the cliff so the baby can't go over in my country like the baby knows don't go by the cliff and I'm like I don't know like fuck up I bet they don't I bet the babies that don't know go off the cliff and there those jeans never propagate again Yeah, yeah, that's the most harsh form of natural selection Darwinism right there the most harsh form of it. Yeah, yeah Yeah, no fucking I mean kids that grow up outside lot key kids like when I was a kid. Yeah, you just Left out of the house. Bye. Yeah, how fun and you figure out who's the child molester? Yeah, yeah You figure out who's a creep who's what's dangerous? Go don't go near the train tracks. Can't hear the train to its delay Stay away from your drums. Yeah, at the liquor store exactly. Yeah, yeah, I did the same thing you learn about danger

40:29Yeah, I tell you my I got my first key. I was six. I fucking lost it like this My mom gelin at me and she's like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself? I was like I still remember it's like one of my oldest memories I was like I'm six and she was just kind of like Yeah I'm six like I had it one fucking day like I never carried a key in my life like of course I'm gonna fuck this up You know and she was like we can't afford all these keys, you know what I mean right But at the same time like I'm fucking six, you know So we ended up having to hide it somewhere and then you know because my brother wasn't good at fucking keys either like you know It's fucked up that I don't want that to happen to my kids like I don't want my I mean my life was nothing like your life But I was definitely like let loose in the world, you know and not really giving any guidance Ton of ton of let loose with no guidance But that's how you make a person like you like a person like you doesn't come from a home That has like, you know your coddled you're taking care of you're always protected

41:33Like the only way you make like a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life And then they come out on the other end hard right because the only way right you don't You know, I've never met like a world champion fighter that came from like the happiest of childhood Yeah, it just doesn't exist. I don't tell a lot of a lot of unit or special forces or range your guys like I used to call it the fatherless, you know what I mean and it works kind of two ways either You had a dad But he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up And when you got home he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works fucking a lot of hours Or you kind of just didn't have a dad, you know what I mean? Those people make special forces soldiers just like you know, dad issues for a checker put her on a pole those same issues And a dude puts them in special forces And I'll take the fatherless all day long Yeah

42:34Well those are the world champions I mean, that's Mike Tyson right yeah, he was 13 years old no family. Yeah gets adopted by a guy as a psychologist Who's all you know a hypnotist? Yeah, and is a great boxing coach and teaches him to become this elite fighter And you kind of think that you don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors right when you're a child well You wouldn't have that kind of focus without that right you wouldn't have that monster inside Like you have to that monster has to grow because it needs to be there right yeah Yeah, I would say like and I don't know what the ratio is but I would say like one out of every fucking hundred or 300 is like the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king very rare Yeah, like very rare. I think I only knew one of those guys Yeah, those guys I bet if you dig into their childhood that dad is probably a little abusive. Yeah, or their mom or his brother. Yeah, something there's other things older brothers It's like you want to find the young brother the young brothers the beast. I'm the little brother

43:39The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life Like so many fighters the best fighters have like like Chris wideman's got a great story like that Well, I mean think about this if you had a fight your bigger brother off your whole life You would be good at jitsu Because you understand leverage you understand patience wait for the move Yeah, take some punishment move later. You know the deal right also a custom to being in battle all the time right with your brother right Yeah, Hickson was a little brother to holes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, same thing Yeah, and Horeon yeah, Hickson is he's a unique guy because he was like the first guy that figured out like that physical strength Yoga all the gymnastica natural stuff that he did flexibility breathing like yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being Super technical. Yeah, so he had like both things. Yeah, he had it all I think way before people way before like

44:40He he knew the winning mindset and how to keep That mental edge with all the other things and the fighting was just something that he grew up to do I think you know, I mean yeah, he had that samurai mind. Yeah, I'm telling you. I think he like I talked to a lot of people I know some legendary guys from the army right When he talks it's like this weird time vortex you ever talked to him like seriously Yeah, I've had a couple podcasts with him. Wow like it's incredible, you know, I went over his house once in like 2000 and him and uh His his son and we were watching coliseum so coliseum was like the last time he fought when he fought Funaki and We're watching all the different fights he had a tape of it. We're watching it and he was breaking down All the things and all these guys were doing wrong. It was such a fascinating education. Yeah, he's like there's too much space

45:42Yeah, start here. There's too much space and he goes he had this good accent If he goes we started a neutral point we started a neutral point if I get to one I'm not going back to zero I'm going one to two to three to checkmate He goes I'm not going backwards. He goes these guys they lose position They go for here go for there all this extra space And he was like breaking it down while we're watching the fights. It was such an education Love that. Oh, it was fucking amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, he's uh, he's a legend Ah man like one of the great legends of martial arts, you know if you let go into the history of martial arts Hicks and Gracie will go down as you know, there's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends Him and hoist right up there. Yeah, I agree with that and hoist tell you like Hicks and he goes my brother was a hundred times better than me Yeah, well when hoist used to come to us he would tell us straight up. I'm not the family fighter Yeah, are are you know and I think what he told us back then was like I don't know Hickson was pride contracts

46:43UFC was different couldn't figure it out. Yeah, that's why hoist even fought right I thought that was kind of the deal back then Well, I think there's a long time I'm worried and there was a bunch of different thoughts on it You know hoist jokes around he goes look how beautiful I am that's why they wanted me But it was also because Hickson was very physically dominant and the idea was like Let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to show jiu jitsu To show the power of jiu jitsu, but if that doesn't work then we bring in Hickson But I don't know that hoist beat everybody and the Hickson went over to do Japan Valley Tuto. Yeah, and like Four I think it was I used to love all those of alley Tuto's pride. I thought that was the best Oh, the great the golden era of martial arts. Just when everybody was learning. Yeah, like holy shit. There's so much out there Yeah, I agree I loved every minute and then Fedor a mellion ain't coke comes on the scene. He's just like Fedor is my favorite one of all time greats. He's another one I mean if there's an greatest heavyweight of all time you have to he's got to be in the conversation

47:46I feel like back in the day we'd be like we'd be talking about fighting and it'd be like Man, I wonder if anyone's ever like done this from like the mount a feed or one like six fights like that And then like I wonder if anyone's ever done like something like this and like well feed or one is last fight just like that You're just like fucking this guy like You know in this prime he was a monster. Yeah, I agree and so stoic like this expression never changed. Yeah He gets head kicked to get super lexed. Yeah, nothing. It's like no one's home in there. You know what I mean? Just didn't register. He was just a machine. Yeah, yeah, I loved him and I like when he I seen an interview one time. Remember his brother Alexander sure He was like Alexander is better than me if he just wouldn't party so much. Yeah, he was an animal And I was just thinking fucking feed or saying his brother is better than him. Yeah, I mean Well his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker His brother was a vicious striker had good kicks. Oh my god. He was fucking good But that was that was the days where you know, everyone was just kind of figuring out what worked and what didn't work

48:49Yeah, yeah, you had a band or lay that Oh, man, I love it. It was also a time where everybody was juicy. Yeah, the whole the whole organization was like I had a friend who was gonna fight over there and he was 170 pounds and they said no We want you to fight at one eighty five go do steroids Like go do steroids Come back to do steroids It when Ensign was on the podcast. He told me in the contract. It said like in capital letters. We do not test for steroids They're like go have fun. Yeah come back yoke top come back juicy. Yeah, everybody was juicy back Because it was the wild days. It was like the wild west right they just wanted the best most exciting fights possible. I think that's what people want now. Oh, yeah I mean like there's a real argument. I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing I don't you know, I don't think look and I think this is for all like the Olympics I get it but the NFL like seriously why you even fucking why what you want to sport the suck like baseball That was the thing when they were doing like mark McGuire and all the shit and Sammy

49:53So why you test these guys is the most exciting thing is to hit a home run These guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs everybody should do that thing Whatever the fuck that is think about how much more money that bring those organizations Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it was cheating But what it really is is science like they figure out there's a way where you recover more you get stronger You get faster like hey do that guys. Oh, by the way Everybody else is doing it too. They're just like hiding it in some sort of a weird way You know there's this masking in and taking weird stuff and there was you know that ballco scandal where they're all It's taking his stuff called the clear So they never heard of that. I had that kind of Victor Conte on the podcast who created the clear and what he what he's a scientist And what he did is he ballco labs they figured out that when they're testing They're testing for very specific metabolites. So they took steroids and then they changed it slight So that it didn't show up in the test and they're giving them the stuff and they would all pass clear And they were all fucking

50:54Just monsters like Barry bonds. Yeah, it was a monster. I met Barry bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called hardball And Barry bonds was you know, who's a still a major league player big time He's a regular guy like you look like a regular athlete and then he started getting juicy and then years later He gained like 60 pounds and was just fucking like smashing whole runs like that would be good like you should keep doing that whatever you're doing I think that's all sports. Yo jump as high as you can take your fucking gear jump high run far Smash each other. Let's go. Well, that's the enhanced games. You know the enhanced games doing that They're developing this whole protocol right now and the enhanced games gonna let people do whatever the fuck they want that works And their ideas we are gonna develop the best athletes in every discipline And then we're gonna give them a lot of money and we're gonna like fuck the Olympics the Olympics is a giant scam Yeah, because the Olympics the athletes don't make any money and NBC and all these broadcast networks and the IOC

52:00They're making billions of dollars off the backs of these athletes hard work And no one is going to see them. They're going to see the athletes right man The athletes aren't even compensated. It's a crazy scam It really is because it's not like no if no one made any money Including the networks including the IOC great great, right? That's not the case Yeah, someone's making a fucking shit ton of money But it's not the people that are putting in the hard work is the people that are pointing cameras at them Yeah, it's the dumbest fucking thing of all time. Yeah, so the enhanced games is like Let's throw out the drug testing. Let's encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works And let's give them a lot of money So like whoever wins whatever they give them a million dollars And then you'll get like the elite athletes will be like well why am I wasting my time competing for free Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career's over and I don't have shit to show for it or I can do steroids and then win and and have money for the rest of my life. Yeah

53:03I want to watch the steroids sports Yeah, I mean the enhanced league or whatever it's called like that sounds to me like the NFL is going away I don't want to see the mountain hit another mountain. You know what I mean like let's go if they just got Did they told the NFL? It's just say everybody get juicy? Fuck those guys are already freaks. They're already doing it like probably you know, I mean I can only imagine I don't know My two senses like you're doing it anyway. Just fucking go with it the way I understand just don't talk about they allow They let them know when testing is happening and so then everyone even waste the fucking money You know what I mean like phone it in let's just phone that in you know I mean like yeah, I took that drug test. Okay, click save some money for everyone the drug test should be multiple choice Yeah, yeah, the drug test should be we're just kind of curious if you had any success And then we want to know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people right But there's a weird thing about you know protecting the athletes health like hey fuck face. They're playing football

54:07If you really cared about their health you would tell them don't play football So there's no way you care about their health. Yeah, there's no fucking way. Yeah, you know, it just doesn't make any sense I mean there's inherent nature is a danger there concussions knees shoulders, right? Everything gets blown out How about vaccines? How about you making them get vaccinated? They're having fucking heart attacks on the field. Does that make any sense? No, you don't care about their health. You're full of shit Those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID. They're elite athletes of the highest order Do you really think that's something that is literally only kills like 0.03 percent of the people who get it and those people or most of them have comorbidities You really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that. Of course they didn't It's all bullshit. You don't care about them. Yeah, let them get juicy. Yeah, fucking juice. Let's go get that gear You know what I mean? Hey, let's take those piss cups and turn them in a fucking drink cups Servant some whiskey in the locker room. Let's get this shit going and I want more fighting in my sports

55:10You know what I mean? Like hockey. Yeah, I love cock the last sport that allows fist fights Normally in the middle of a sport. Yeah, it's the only sport that allows the occasional fist fight. Yeah, what's kind of crazy? I live in North Carolina and there's a there's like a little local hockey team at brack and like Every I go to a lot of hockey games because it's like it's like seven bucks for like a long time You know what I mean? And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day And you know they'll throw like they'll they'll have like a non league team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice Man these like the southern provisional hockey league like I love this. It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist fighting is allowed Yeah, it's kind of crazy because it's grandfathered in yeah, because it's basically baron aqua boxing in the middle of a sport Yeah, which is real weird. Yeah, well then you got soccer where like you know you rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over Yeah, you're like what the fuck you're faking it like yeah, I have children. I know the fakers

56:11Like the fuck like I'm a parent you can't fool me. Well anybody could see it's the dumbest thing like a hand. Yeah Yeah, they fall on the ground and they're fucking holding their side. They're holding their chest. It's so dumb But it's also one of the reasons why it's not really accepted in America. Yeah, watch that flopping We're like come on get up. This is so crazy. Yeah, I totally agree Especially when people watch football you watching guys get fucking way laid. Yeah 300 pounds super athlete you get up and shake it off. Yeah, and then they're back on the field Yeah, the guys like it just has helped me a little bit You know, I mean takes his mouthpiece out you're gonna all right and good fucking move on I just started watching football literally this last year and you know when I see guys collide I fuck I've had so many injuries knee surgeries and shit and Jiu Jitsu injuries. I see guys get hit I just like fucking hold my knees. I hold my back like oh Because it's the most brutal shit of all time a guy who's 290 pounds is running Full blast and colliding with you with a hundred percent of his strength. Yeah

57:13Yeah, it's fucking crazy me. Yeah, I used to when I was 38 as a star major in the army and like I don't know hand to hand Jiu Jitsu kind of got boring for me So like I was looking for other hobbies As at the px and I seen like the Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday as six or something So I just went out there for something to do man And I'm gonna tell you you think fucking Jiu Jitsu fucks people up fucking go play fucking rugby Matter of fact stay the fuck away from rugby like is fucking brutal and like no helmets No nothing man in like When I was a kid, I don't know if I can say this but we played smear the queer all the time Like I don't know what you call that but that's what's just called when we were kids I come home my shirt would be ripped I'd get another beating because like you ripped another shirt these are expensive You know what I mean? But it's like it's my brothers anyway, right? Like not like you bought me a shirt but Man, it was like crazy my first practice like the ball sitting there in one of the coaches like grabbed the ball It brought I just fucking grabbed the ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over and then

58:18Like guys are like man, what college you play in I was like Uh-uh none and I never played a rugby a day in my lean on my first game You know was like fucking in my third practice You know and I mean it's crazy But in in doing Jiu Jitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night like I thought rugby was kind easy The guy's running at me and I just got to take them down fucking double legs and then I started getting more tackles And anyone in my coach, you know, they keep stats and be like you had like 80 tackles a game. How do you do that? And it's like double double double leg take down single leg Maybe a trip. Yeah, you know what I mean, and but And then like one of the times you know one of the coaches was like hey, we teach us how you know How would you how do you normally tackle you get the most tackles and like Double single legs. So you basically teach them wrestling. I just thought wrestling. Why don't they teach them that? That would seem to be like I bet the pro level fuckers are doing that they have to like have to you I mean, because think about this like I know a lot of linemen

59:22Do like Callie for hand speed and stuff like that, you know what I mean right because they got I got to win the hand fight. So I know there's a lot of sports that use a lot of disciplines So I would imagine they would have to be Fucking having you know wrestling practice or take down tackle practice, right? I would imagine they're doing Same shit as everyone else for just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body. Right. Yeah Right. Well, there's no pads So you know, you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle. You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour You know what I mean because you got no pads right you know Well, that's the argument against pads and football is that these guys the only reason why they can play the way they are and call I do the full blast because they have helmets and pads on yeah, which is totally true I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let's go Come on. It would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads I mean, that's what they used to do yeah, I had those little leather Yeah, they had the girl there helmet like you couldn't pay me to wear one of those get the fuck out of here with that

1:00:26I wonder how many guys died playing that. Oh imagine how many concussions. Oh how many head-to-head collisions? Oh running full blast And then you know if you're some Owen you're really good some big giant dude Yeah, you're gonna go head-to-head with guys because you know you're gonna win it. Yeah, fuck every time So you're just fucking headbutt and everybody. Yeah, the army team has a lot of tongans. There's a fort brag Tongans are paratroopers as people. I don't know how that works, but they are man. They all play rugby A buddy of mine was like I was like, you know you how you know when when you start playing rugby He was like I was like three, you know Huge guy like I knew I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby when the tongans were like we'd pick they'd pick teams And all the tongans would be like we want big John You can have the rest and I'd be like yeah me and the tongans against them right? We'll fucking crush the people But like they start playing with like a coconut Jesus imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut like

1:01:27And I'm like why would you play with a coconut? And he was like well There is only one rugby ball on the island and the bigger boys had it Like okay like Yeah, but um yeah, I played rugby for a while and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby, but what I realized is rugby's way more injury prone and dangerous So I kind of went back to jiu jitsu. Oh, yeah one on one is definitely you can control a lot more of what's going on Than a bunch of dudes. Yeah, colliding into each other. Yeah, I agree man So hard fucking sport and rugby's awesome. It is awesome. It's a weird how it never took off in America It's kind of strange, you know because we love violence You would imagine that rugby would be something that we would have adopted I think the only reason it's not popular is because of the time like it's like soccer once it starts It doesn't stop Americans want to go take a piss and get another beer and come back and then they want to Yeah, and like big thing about soccer and the game never stops tough to sell commercials Right, you can't stop the game right where is football you have a fucking yeah

1:02:31We have time bro. We got a whole half hour Well, you ever see the apps that just show you the plays of football a whole game's like 12 minutes of actual work Yeah, I mean time you know what I mean soccer those motherfuckers are wanting the entire minutes Let's go and it doesn't stop, you know you have to be an insane shaped place soccer Your cardio is just nuts you basically sprinting for the entire game. I never played soccer But I don't think I would enjoy it. Well, we went to watch they had the they have a professional league here in Austin And these dudes have these fucking quarter horse legs. Yeah, I feel like thin upper bodies And these fucking gigantic legs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics Yeah, all day sprinting and going side to side left and right and Fucking crazy cardio, but it's never gonna sell in America if you can't have commercials. Yeah, I think that's why Rugby's not popular house. Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Maybe they just change the rules a little bit Right, you know, okay, give us a little break. Well, it's kind of crazy Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without a time

1:03:32That's the same thing we want for you just said for MMA. Oh, yeah Right, that's the problem with MMA too, right? You can't have a no-time limit fight because how you're gonna get the next fight at midnight or 10 o'clock Or dudes would kind of fight to the death Like if you get the best of the best today where they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for four hours five hours Like and then it would probably end your career like at the end of it. You might not ever be the same again Yeah, he'd be spent like you got one of those in you right because there's a lot of guys like there's a fight And you could point to that fight and say he was never the same Yeah, Tony Ferguson Justin Gachi a lot of people point to that fight Justin Gachi better Tony Ferguson so bad he was he was undefeated up into that Or maybe he lost a couple of times, but he was the boogie man Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport and then One bad beating and he was kind of never the same again Because one bad beating just changes everything. Yeah, he's never really recovered. Yeah. Well once you lose the mental edge, right?

1:04:35Like there's a little bit of that, but there's also like a bad beating to the brain like he got just he got hit so many times in his head A bad beating to the brain after a certain I mean No matter who you are if you're sparring and if you're fighting you're getting hit in the head Period and so over the course of your career You're already accumulating a certain amount of abuse and there's one fight that could break the camel's back Yeah, again boxing. I always point to Melderick Taylor Julio says or Shavez like Melderick Taylor was the fucking man When the gold medal in the Olympics and Shavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight like literally two seconds to go rich steel stops to fight and From then on he was never the same Just he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again. Yeah, I think that happens with soldiers too I've seen a lot of guys were like We got mortared a rocket it and then next deployment guy Guadalatine yeah, I think there's a there's a time where everybody says enough's enough right like yeah

1:05:39Whether you want to or not and then once you reach that point like coming back from that point right Become that mental champion again. It's a fucking long road Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way? Is there anything that you would do to try to bring him back or is there nothing that can be done? That's a great question Define bring him back define what's wrong with him right? I guess a confidence thing or just being Terrified so like new fear being introduced you know a lot of guys think they're Indestructible. Yeah until they're not and then also now this is a new factor. Yeah I used to teach a tandem jumping and bundle jumping in the military and I don't know if you ever seen my social media But like I'm in the sky flying and there's that huge barrel under me I used to teach that and what would happen is if you had a bad jump of you know bundle jump

1:06:42You would have to cut away and we called it the nightmare right and you got to end the nightmare And this thing starts spinning you out of control It'll be so many g's that like you'll pass out the parachute will open later right you'll be fine but We used to tell guys right like fucking end that nightmare make sense now You're the captain of the ship so a guy would have to end this nightmare However he ended the nightmare right And then what would happen is afterwards we'd review the video and I'd have to show a guy right And then We'd leave him in the classroom for a minute and we tell him hey gather your emotions Whatever you need to do and then get on the next plane Get right back on the horse get fucking back on that next plane You know what I mean and Guys would do that you know what I mean a lot more seals needed that time then like unit guys because unit guys like Yo, I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass. We ain't gonna have no problems the day son You know what I mean? I'm a fuck um

1:07:43I don't know. I think the difference is it Look the unit is always more mature than seals. It's an older culture. It's older guys More experienced guys more methodical guys more planned out um So like in a lot of times like you know younger guys normally the seals though have their jump numbers but they're like their core their What makes you you confidence? Dexterity strength fucking health It ain't there yet and they kind of freak out once in a while younger guys. It's a maturity thing I think normally happens of the seals most unit guys are pretty mature Then have been through so much shit by the time they get to the unit that like you're probably unshakeable by then but um You see that in fights too like young undefeated guys who fight like a world champion who's like in their 30s and that got break some down And then you see like they don't know what to do when things are going sideways

1:08:47And then mentally they fall apart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right That's when the bad decisions will start, you know You know and the reality is you got to snap your fucking self out of that You got to fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane I had plenty of those jumps. I've cut away more. If I got a cutaway training for d-day last year if I can put my cutaway You can see all fucking low. I am and everything you know what I mean Uh, and I have procedures. I have another parachute like we're all gonna die Am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing like let's fucking move on you know what I mean But how did you develop that mentality just over time? I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person And I think this what the army is really good at is developing this core right in this core In this core right how do I develop your confidence? Well, I don't fucking know I couldn't even define fucking confidence because I went there Chicago Public Fucking School system But I could tell you this if I taught you to rally race car drive and you got pretty fucking good at it

1:09:51If I taught you Jiu Jitsu eventually you're pretty fucking good at it I show you skydiving eventually you're pretty fucking good at it right why is because every one of these things I showed you world class level and we brought world champions in to show you right eventually You're gonna gain confidence. It's the taking your daughter to karate or your little kids the Jiu Jitsu They have confidence that other kids don't have right That's what you got to build so it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that Fucking unshakable core you know what I'm saying yeah Yeah, and it's It's a matter of when do you introduce them to like extreme adversity do you build them up slowly? Right and it has to be built slowly right be and then we used to say this like um Uh Aircraft training right let's say you got a breach in airplane right and you got to climb a fucking 20 foot ladder

1:10:54Because these motherfuckers ain't low to the ground right and you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking 280 pounds in your shit, but you're on these fucking lanners with fucking six other guys who all weigh the same as you or more You got to crack the door get the fuck in this airplane right now Let's just say this is your first time and you crack that door the first time and as an instructor I know you're cracking the door and as soon as you crack that door I fucking shoot you in the face You know what I mean? Yeah, and with a training round right how fucking embarrassing right and then the reality is is Yo, you just move ruined this motherfucker forever. How do you breach an airplane? What's the what's a successful protocol for breaching an airplane mechanical or explosive? What do you mean? Sometimes we open doors sometimes we blow doors it depends so which one you want to know about okay? Let's go with mechanical yeah, most most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated and most doors

1:11:57There's a certain way they open right my team. I was always kind of like a primary door guy And then there's a certain way doors open. There's latches so all airplane doors open from the outside So but once you breach it though you're in a tube you're in a tube and everybody knows where the door is It's a very vulnerable position. Yes It's so what's the protocol for breaching a door when you're in a tube like that so What you have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible as quick as possible And everyone goes the positions right you got cover guys you got runners you got searchers It's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft same with a fucking big cruise liner, right? so Everybody's gonna once the door is open everyone's gonna flood in and kind of like go to their places You know what I'm saying mm-hmm right So you Planet out you know where you're gonna be yeah, and then you're still dealing with the chaos of you're in a tube

1:13:00Yeah, there's only one way in yeah, and things are coming at you no matter what yeah, yeah, yeah So there's no clean way to do that not even once Not even once I mean What a crazy fucking task. I know but the back to the point is if a guy cracks that door any door Let's say it's your first time. I'm showing you like all right Joe. I'm gonna show you some You know close quarter bad all I'm gonna show you how a clear a door and then just joking around like you're about to go through a door And I shot you in the fucking forehead You wouldn't mentally never want to go through that door again, right? So I have to build you up to where well the first time you come through the door Why just let you come through the door? Right, and then it builds from there and then there's a point where it's like Well, this motherfucker shooting through the crack of the airplane wait for them in this fucking bitch I got two pistols on me this motherfucker's going down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah so as you're

1:14:01As your confidence your core that core of a human being like that core of an operator, right as that like becomes Fucking concrete a guy's just unshakeable like let's go. I don't give a fuck what this position I don't care like I don't care if I fucking die. Let's do this, you know, and it's consistent training over and over and over and over And oh do you think that this is what's missing in the police force? Oh, man. Are you kidding me? First of all, I work in a lot of police departments. I love police. I support police all the time It's a fucking thankless job. I'll say that yeah But I would say like think about this Joe if you trained police better right I work at a lot of police academies. I've helped a lot of police academies. They don't fail people anymore I show them what I do. I train them to do what I do They have great success with it. I would say this in a police academy. Let's say it's six months long. Whatever they do I don't fucking know Probably about four months of that is fucking paperwork

1:15:01And then you know you get a little hand-to-hand you get a little driving you get a little shooting and Then you learn what yeah, but I'm gonna tell you this as a cop you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork And when you're in training right as soon as you like get your first arrest your training officer is gonna be like don't write it that way Hold on. Let me see your paperwork like this Uh-huh the paperwork could be OJT and they could spend them time right training these guys and if now I'd also say this is If police were trained better and truly Uniform officers are probably the only guys like Stopping crime as it happens if we train those guys better. Why would we need SWAT teams? Right you have we SWAT teams through the whole thing Everyone could be SWAT and if we got ten and ten of us come together Yeah, we're our own SWAT team. Yeah, and then we can operate independently. We could operate one or two and like

1:16:05I think police don't do the force multiplier thing like each guy is his own fucking bastion of The law, you know what I mean like I just think they kind of share Injuries they don't do hand-to-hand right shooting could be dangerous, right and then most shooting is You know the instructor is god and you are fucking stupid That's how most training is it's like basic training and I like no one learns well like that either you know what I mean right Yeah, I I'm always shocked when I see fat cops Like really fat cops and I was like how Your whole life is your body like your whole life is you have to be able to physically defend yourself You have weapons you have you know the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest and all but you're your physical body It's almost useless. Yeah, I was at a football game the other day and there's this like obese cop like enormous belly I'm like this is disgusting. It's ridiculous. Yeah, you've let yourself get to this point where I know you can't even run

1:17:09You can you can't you can't last 30 seconds. All someone have to do is grab a hold your arm That you would use to take your gun and control that arm get you to the ground and you're fucked Shit, I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar their shirt or the fuck you going That's crazy. Yeah, look Okay, first off I think also police should have different jobs like the army so Okay, if you were 400 pounds, maybe you're the computer guy at the police force or a best guy or You know what I mean? Right, right. I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever However, if you're on patrol get the young six foot kids in there, man You know, I mean they can handle themselves. They're young. They're bigger than normal right? This is why a lot of troopers state troopers used to have like a six foot six one six two height requirement Because a six foot two man can generally handle most people right, you know what I mean? Especially a fit one. Yeah, yeah

1:18:11So I think the fit guys need to be on the force. I think I think there's room for everybody But I think with police is your police officer or your detective and then that's it But really you're always a cop versus like well the army right? Okay, there's drone pilots. There's all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door Right Why don't police kind of organize like that and that way like the guys are going to run people down can run That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horse shit Like are you fucking crazy? You should be funding them more fucking crime is real. Yeah, it's real evil's real Evil's fucking real Yeah, yeah to pretend it's not well that just means you haven't experienced it Yeah, you're living with blinders on yeah, yeah, I say I agree Yeah, it's just bizarre that we Expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long their whole lives like 25 30 years And you know you don't you don't train them probably you don't fund them probably and then they get disrespected by the public

1:19:17Oh That's the worst what the worst I think the worst is when like the mayor or the police fucking chief Is like not supportive of all or the fucking guys and it's like you you think the guys have bad intent You know, I mean I get it. There might be bad apples or whatever Everyone's got 10% say what you want but like well, how about Kamala Harris when she was running for president She was involved about defund the police I don't know how that sells with anybody in the country I mean it's fucking crazy. It's a crazy thing to say it really is a crazy thing to say yeah, yeah, I mean If we defunded the police we'd be Mexico quicker than we thought yeah, right right because the cartels would just drive over the border. Yeah That's real yeah, yeah What do you think about this idea of using special forces guys to fight the cartels? This is first and foremost like if you were like yo We're gonna wipe out a cartel tonight I'd have been like I'll load my frags extra careful like let's go right but the reality is is like

1:20:22Uh, I know all my buddies are like yeah, we'll fuck them up in a night. We'll fucking yo yo Fucking let's back up a fucking second here The cartels Have fucking men they own the ground they have fucking technicals they have machine guns they have fucking everything an army has Right and they've had decades to train waiting for this Number two and number three our governments fucking compromise So if you think they ain't gonna know you're coming You know what I mean? I think you're fucking hot. He's Christ. That's a terrible terrible thought so so So compromised the cartels gonna get the word out before well how are we gonna? Look we're not gonna be in fucking sneaky. We're not the Israelis doing that fucking page or shit You know, I'm saying you know, that needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future What you think about the Israelis what's going on in Gaza that pays her shit was why which tells me America should go back to making its own

1:21:23Fucking cell phones and it's own we shouldn't have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way shape or form At my opinion no, I've been saying that forever. We should have our own cell phones Fuck and the fact that we're buying so much shit from China Fuck especially after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised and they're having third party input and be able to spy on people Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Well, this is why we got to go back to making America like it used to be we made our own shit We use our own shit. We wouldn't have to worry about none of this Yeah, it's um, it's a very strange thing what's happening in this country where China's allowed to buy land That's near military bases. They supply cell phone towers They put all these different they sell us all these different shit and we don't really know I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers fucking zero I bet fucking zero Mike Baker was on here and he was telling me about how around military bases like China has installed their equipment

1:22:24And all these military bases like at Formula One where we were My buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes they had attached to the Wi-Fi So they were just scooping up everybody's data They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it In Race Track a race track book, but they knew everybody was gonna be using this public Wi-Fi Probably no VPNs probably no security and these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up Fuck they're so sophisticated in how they've infiltrated. It's fucking crazy And we just allowed to happen. It's very strange because you can't buy shit in China If you think you're an American company going to go over China and operate with autonomy You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, you can't buy shit. Yeah, they'll they'll never let an American never No, they don't want a Chinese would never buy communication devices from America. No, and they certainly never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases They like fuck you. Yeah, we're like true. We'll sell it to you. Are you gonna pay more? Oh boy

1:23:29We'll take your money fucking it's weird. It's weird how goofy we are I know and then like well, I think it's this Joe I think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how like people are like plotting against us and It's fucking real out there the world is a crazy place. I say this like you don't know how fucking safe You got it here and how fucking great we got it here. You know what I mean like people don't know that because they don't never leave here So they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of like their own grind or whatever the fuck they do And like look, I'm telling you the world is fucking evil people will fucking rape you kill you. No one gives a fuck like Protect yourself all the time Well, you've been departs the world. Well, you've seen this firsthand And I think it's one of those things where if you don't see it you don't believe it. Yeah, I'll tell you one of the I think the biggest thing I saw in Iraq I think in maybe 2009 ish

1:24:33There was like the most fucking US soldiers Ever been in Iraq right like whatever the numbers around fucking know right but When Iraq had the most fucking soldiers that has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest Think about it You know what I mean? Oh, we had to do was flood put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass in every fucking neighborhood There's a machine gun and fucking 50 cal hom v right like who's fucking around they're everywhere And that's the safest Iraq ever was I'm telling you we have that here and people don't understand that in general So if you wanted to fund the police back man, we're fucked. You know what I mean? Yeah, like it's it's a crazy, but You know um do you know Evan Evan Hayfer? Yes. Yeah, Evan was We were in elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan It just how he's like afghanistan is so fucked that you can't even comprehend it until you're there

1:25:34Yeah, he goes once you're there and you see it and you understand it you you become so cynical You're almost like this culture's like Unfixible and he's like most people just don't know that a place like that exists That's so just down to its core so fucked and we was talking about how These guys have these boys that they have is that their harem the number nine boy What's that? It's with the Egyptian special forces called him the number nine boy. He's the boy that gets fucked Why number nine? I don't know This is what the Egyptian special forces call but every afghanistan village had a fucking they what do they call it the chogi boy Yeah, some point yeah, but basically the 12 year old to get raped He was saying these guys have harems and they would parade him down the street to show they have the most boys Yeah, this was this happened to me on my So I did a solo mission afghanistan the book killed bin Laden ever hear of it. Yeah, uh, I brought a hard back for you I'll sign it for if you want But it's hard to get a hard back. It's like it's like it's got library shit in it

1:26:37I had to buy it because like people always ask me to sign it. I didn't write the book. I'm just in it um, and People always ask me for a signature on it right? So I bought like I don't know a family or friend someone one I bought a like a lot from a library. They didn't use them no more because they don't sell the hard backs no more but I went out on a mission alone in afghanistan. I was going 10 days first. I think first successful mission of the war uh My opinion. I don't know. I don't know if there's other missions or more successful than mine, but um, so uh, I went out alone and then I do the recon. I have the footage. I need I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid We I'm alone we stop. I'm in a fucking jingly truck, right? Like I fucking just I'm in this truck I hitchhiked basically from jolabad into the tour boramounds I'm in a jingly truck with this fucking driver. What's it? What's a jingly truck? You know where they like it's like a fucking like a Six wheel like dump truck, but like they hang the chains and bells and they paint it like

1:27:4317 different bright colors and they They've never seen a jing yeah fucking jingly truck Because it what is it fucking jingles man? Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck is that? Yeah, so I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker Right he's like a logger. He's he runs the valley. He's always in the area um But like I don't know any of this fucking I can't even talk to the guy. I don't fucking speak shit. You know what I mean Um, and then like it's fucking dangerous. I had to go through checkpoints. I had to act like a retard To get through a fucking checkpoint Man, I was at a fucking checkpoint and the dude was like There's this fucking the checkpoints in Afghanistan. They're fucking sketch You know, they got like one piece of yarn across the road You better fucking stop or you'll be shot. They don't give a fuck about you and like So the car in front of us. I think the fucking like this dude like stole bread from a little kid You know what I mean little kid was eating a piece of bread

1:28:43I just snatched it out of the fucking car yelled at the people I thought he was gonna shwack him because it didn't have anything to give him that he wanted So I'm in this jingly truck comes next fucking a K and a chest la la la Fuck, I don't know the fuck he's saying right but I know if I speak english, I'm dead So not an option So uh, he's like yelling at me right and then finally I just figured I'm gonna do like volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face, right? So I just get super close to his face which he didn't like and I'm like No, no, no And the guys like one the book and then like backed up and then motion like The motion like get the fuck through here with a K wow Yeah, so what you just on the spot yeah, another one I had a I picked up like a dirty towel or blanket off the floor And they took that right but what I learned being out alone one of the things I learned is you know

1:29:46You like you watch the movies and like they pull out a water cash and they're like Wink get me across the border there friend Yo, these motherfuckers that just shoot you in a face and take everything you got Don't whip that shit out. You're gonna get murdered. They're just gonna take it all I mean, they'll steal bread from a fucking kid. You think they give a fuck about your life You know what I mean and then just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot like they don't even care about the smell like So like uh, yeah, I had to act like a retard through this one man. They don't give a fuck man I don't just figure that out on the spot on the spot. Yeah, so We get I get in the truck we do the recon. I like had a literally I had a cigarette bag I think it's like Kent or some shit. I don't fucking smoke but like Kent cigarettes I had a plastic bag with my bug and sat phone and um Anyway, how to get a camera out get it under my arm and I kind of film the house right US eyes on um and then how to get the footage back So we get to the end of the valley. It's fucking dark

1:30:48You know, there's no way we can get out of the valley before light So uh, we stop at this house and the drivers like you know motion us in right? It's the Muslim right of they can't turn you away right so we go to this house We're in the room bunch of old fucking grumpy men. They don't fucking like me at all Uh, and the driver and the driver I guess goes there and crashes all the time when he's in the valley right so this is normal for him to be here Uh, and then so in that room they had like this boy and they fucking drug him into another room and you could hear yelling and shit And I was just like what the fuck do you do? I have Everything I need to pull off the first successful mission In Afghanistan for the American government. Okay Do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here And pull this motherfucker off and the reality is I had to look the other way and I like it but So uh, I took my speed, you know, they give you speed. I took my speed

1:31:48Stayed up everyone to bed. They fed me dark opium tea. They tried to put me down. That's why I drank the tea anyway knowing it was spiked And then I took my speed to kind of counteract it and then everyone to bed I laid there just wide away And laid there wide awake like I fucking shut in I these motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because it seems like what they like to do and then Finally the middle of the night I fucking Fucking got my AK. I stuck it in the driver's face. I drug him out to the truck like right before sun up And we fucking left the valley but like You know compromise the mission or save the kid. What do you want? What's it gonna be man? And then like you just see this all over the place So you you were like one of the first guys to do these singleton missions. Yeah, yeah So when when they set you off to do something like that like What's the protocol like how do they how do they even Good luck, you know, I don't know like what do they say? Well back then it was a guy Dalton fury right the guy who wrote killman ladden wasn't my commander and

1:32:58Oh, okay, it's a long story. I wrote I'm writing a book. It's finished Maybe someone would want to publish it, but it's called the singleton and it's about my going out alone but I was like They see I was I was at my base. I was in a sought-a-bad and we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day It's kind of like mortar bait whatever And then We had like fucking zero liquees and chuees no fucking candy No beef jerky no fucking pop tarts. Don't fucking nothing right and we're just sucking it up and like I got to eat fucking these afghan Motherfuckers cook us food and like I'm eating vegetables. I don't even know what the fuck that vegetable was I don't even recognize it as a vegetable. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know that's fucking goat because it tastes horrible But I don't know what the fucking I don't even know what the fuck they cook me, you know what I mean? It's like Anyway, so I go to my boss and I'm like yo, hey I want to fucking go to the main base right and steal poge from the fucking chauho

1:34:01What's pogey? Pogi bait is a term for like beef jerky Snacks candy cookies like any kind of like snack food, right? So And my boss is like yeah, if you you schedule the airplanes you make all the coordination you can go and I was like fucking bet man I fucking scheduled the helicopter like my fuckers. You don't know how resourceful I can be, you know what I mean? So I scheduled everything for the next night and then like I drove my head of red Toyota truck I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook right so tight in there you can't even get out You got to just sit there hoping and got a piss They fly me to the main base fucking land drive in the main base like by this time like the armies like Taken over where like you got to like fucking salute um fucking the army base in Afghanistan like two weeks ago Like a fucking ss guy lost a leg in a landmine, you know, but um So I go to the base and then these the commander sees me and and he's with his sarn major another guy

1:35:04And they're like this is our fucking guy right here. So like hey, what are you doing? And I'm like About to raid the chauho Like the fucks it look like I'm doing you know what I mean like if it's one thing a moments right so uh I was like yeah, I'm getting pokey for the fucking for our base like what's up? And they're like hey, we got a mission for you And I told him hey, I'll do it right, but you just got to tell my ask my boss if it's all right because I didn't work for these guys Um, and they're like okay cool. They're in my squadron, but like not my direct boss, right? So they call my boss my boss says fine and like they sit me in this room and they're like We want you to go out alone and I'm like okay, and they're like explain everything to me We want you to go out alone like do you have any questions? And I was like my only question was And it wasn't a question. I looked the commander in the eye and I said tell me you're gonna cover my ass if something goes wrong and he was like uh Oh, yeah, we'll cover you like yo you could have gave a fucking better and man up with that answer

1:36:06You know what I mean like You know what I mean? It gets it's like we cancer and I'm just thinking well fuck man You know what I mean now. So what were they telling you they wanted you to do go out alone US eyes on get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch right because The generals back then weren't in line with bushes dead or alive and they were I believe the Pentagon was a bigger hindrance in the bigger In a war than they were fucking then they were worth Uh, but um house oh Well The general at the time that was in charge of us our task force right and we're talking about tier one like the guy in charge then Had like two rules Number one you can leave the wire if you get US eyes on a target Okay, okay, and number two no one leaves the wire Well how to fuck are we gonna do number one without if we can't leave Figure it out. So the commander if I was because I was when you say leave the wire

1:37:13Yeah, what do you mean like go out hunting for bad guys leave your base? You know what I'm saying go out and but you can't leave your base but you can leave the base Who but you got to get these eyes on to launch a target so you got to get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance Because we need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets. Okay, we want to launch reconnaissance Yeah, no one leaves the wire That's kind of how it works man, right? So uh the reason they use me is According to the army the army at every level is great at accountability 100% we need to know where everyone is at all times, right? So when I flew to the other base I was in transit Right, so they left me in transit for a week so Instead of saying I left the wire I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get pop tarts

1:38:13Wow, so they lied to everybody left me my stat and I didn't know this at the time I like like this could have mattered less to me. I learned later, you know, but They paperwork nut shell the general and And sent out reconnaissance and that was me Wow, and then they came back with the eyes on and the general agreed to launch the mission And it was a success and no one asked How did fuck that someone leave the wire because no one cared because we were successful, you know what I mean? Wow So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this like what what is going through your hand when you agree to do this? Fuck Figure it to fuck out. I don't fucking know. I'm not trying to have anything in my head right now It's crazy. It's like they just let you figure it out. Yeah, so you have to feel very vulnerable Um, I don't know I wouldn't say vulnerable Joe, but uh, I do think this is like there's guys that like fucking make it happen

1:39:13You probably got guys like this any task you give a guy is just like wait, you're done with that already like Some people can just make shit happen and then I'm one of those guys. That's like my one of my better qualities make it happen. So like Fucking go make it happen motherfucker Go back like a retard when you get pulled over man do what you got to do baby like fucking survival of the fittest So the problem is once you do one of these now you're the guy that can go do these things Yeah, and I did hundreds in Iraq and fucking loved it Christ yeah, you loved it loved it Fuck that you know you okay think about this Joe and and you do jiu jitsu when you fight right you want to depend on yourself Or you want to depend on yourself and people you don't know what the fuck they're made of Who the fuck are you gonna trust? Don't trust yourself right? So I it wasn't really a big stretch for me to be alone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do

1:40:14Very unusual mindset um yeah, maybe I don't know and then my other mindset is like No matter where I am no matter what I do Everyone in a 25 yard radius is gonna fucking die Just so I can make it home and if I had to kill everyone in a whole village god damn right everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me to come home. So Uh, I just figured yo fucking be ready to fight at all times. I learned a hundred to one Lessons learned leadership lessons a hundred to one being alone versus being a pack of 30 from other fuckers Right like y'all let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday You know what I mean and where when I was alone like You got to make better decisions. You're a fucking coyote. You're a ghost. You know you got to make ghost decisions The fucking you know the bravado like we're gonna kill everybody the fuck we are. We're not gonna fire a shot Why because like you you fire one shot is a single tin you better be ready to kill everybody

1:41:17Because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos, you know what I mean? So Are you ready? You know what I mean? And the reality is is like I had to think other shit do other shit Had to act like a retard, you know, and then I had to get along with people. I had a How to do so much shit that is out of like even the commando norm as a single tin, you know I think of no one that can really teach you this fuck. I mean I know like you can teach a guy how to breach an airplane right how the fuck you're gonna teach you gotta act like a retard if you get pulled over How you gonna teach a guy to be a singleton? Right, well we used to tell guys I used to tell my guys all the time And this is a unit thing but like I could train a monkey to shoot. I'm training you to think I don't care about the shooting because if you're thinking right the shooting will be easy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah But yeah, man I'll tell you I thought about riding a leadership, but calling it the singleton and just kind of the lessons I learned

1:42:18You know like so few guys have done that, you know like I see all these like you know, I don't know I don't look at the internet. I don't watch the news I don't do any of that. I don't do social media. I have it. I don't fucking look at it. I don't have it on my phone It's not worth my sanity So I'm like a fucking time capsule for fucking the two thousands, you know what I mean? Yeah, like I never understood some of these other like veteran stories You know, I never I never kind of look at the lone survivor. I never understood the full story because I went out alone all the time That shit didn't happen to me mother fucking seven Taliban on my ass. You want to see seven fucking bodies super quick You know what I'm saying bring them boys up here, you know, so I never really fucking understood some of these other stories Because I had such a different experience. I can't fathom if I was with five, you know The times I was with five guys, you know how many people I mean I was with three guys You know how many people we killed in the battle of Toribura fucking hundreds. I just stopped counting on my first day like

1:43:22So haven't said that like I don't understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had You know what I'm saying? It's a very unusual experience. So how many guys were singletons? Fuck I don't know any You don't know any I mean a couple of my buddies, but like not like me Wow Yeah, and then once I did it it was kind of my lot in life. How many pages is this book that you wrote? Uh, I don't know like fucking 20 chapters. I wrote a big book. It seems like it have to be I wrote a 500 fucking pages. Yeah So I wait to read that book shameless plug if you know Someone needs to buy that book 100% yeah, we'll get that book sold all right. We'll get that book sold 100% so that lead me to read that book right now. I'll give it to you I'll get I'll text it to you. Oh, okay. I'll text it for real. I'll text it to you. I'm done with it Okay, yeah, I think it's as good as I could get it and I'm just a regular man Chicago public school system. Fuck I didn't even take a book home because if the school loses the books They can't teach so it was like half half my class was in the book and the other half was homework

1:44:28And he left the books in class so like I didn't have homework It's probably better because you're gonna get it like yeah from you. Yeah with no gloss. Yeah No bullshit, but which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of solo missions. I was a taxi driver. I had like I don't know fucking 30 50 vehicles and I So once they realize you can do this. Yeah, like oh comic fee. Yeah. Well, no, it's just kind of my thing Like you don't have to call me and just tell me what you need Wow, yeah, I mean my boss is new how to use me like that. So you started enjoying the craziness of it. I love being alone Why did you love it so much? I don't know I hate to say this but like Guys like me are generally fucking assholes Like you've met a few guys like me and they're like Yeah, I was afraid someone would get away like shut the fuck up man. God damn it. You know what I mean like so Not really a fan a lot of like alpha males

1:45:29They can be dicks at times So like uh, yeah kind of set me down my down my path as I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing You know what I mean right so you just had You had your mission and you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you And I didn't have to fuck with no one else. It's on my timeline fucking And I will make this happen like I will make shit happen that other people can't I don't know how I don't know why but I just will That is such a wild experience like your experience of war must be so different than everybody else It's just because of that. Yeah So haven't said that we're talking about Iraq. I brought some show and tell items. What's your brain? I brought something I have never fucking shown before What do you got and I believe it's fucking evil You want to see yeah, I do what is it? I got I got to get it out of my box. No, you got a box. I brought a box I'm kind of scared

1:46:32What's that? Hey, can you google Saddam Hussein Mauser This is his app. Yeah It's the one where he shoots the Mauser in the air at the fucking parade grounds I was given that to bias Taylor Wow Yeah, that one the liner fell out the liners in here look It's uh you can see what kind of had it is the glue fell out of the liner but look Wow That's fucking crazy. I rolled up his tailor And all his butlers Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick I fucking rolled them mother fuckers up Wow Saddam was captured nine days after I left I had a leave for Christmas This is crazy. This was on his head now it's here. Yeah. Yeah

1:47:34Yeah, wow. Yeah But uh, it's a Piccadilly fox fur hat Uh, I also have a sweater. I took a I had always clothes like I mean fuck I had everything that I had uh, but uh Yeah, his tailor. Okay, so Saddam's in her circle, right when when when I was working Saddam We were gonna Saddam peace right some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about like We did the clever shit fucking darn Saddam and I will tell you this is I learned on my fucking singleton mission at gaff canister and the first one We need to be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush these mother fuckers and I'm not talking like we captured two bad guys I'm talking we go in kill everyone needs to be killed capture everyone needs to be captured And fucking would do this right right so um Yeah, with the Saddam peace, right His tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians

1:48:35Hmm Fucking every one of them was a Christian and Saddam believed That Christians if they martyr themselves go to hell Muslims martyr themselves you go to heaven So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians So his tailor his butlers his jawala's all those guys The fucking washington is asked feeding this motherfucker. We're all Christians And it's why Christians flourished in an Iraq which they're you know like I'd like to I'd hope all these guys are still alive But the reality is is like isis probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam's gone, you know Yeah, isis killed so many fucking Christians, you know, no saying yeah, but they were all Christians and uh, so his uh I uh started with um The ex ambassador Excuse me to the US and then uh, I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor and then one day he brought this hat

1:49:36And he brought some clothes and I was like what was this and he was like you know, he told me This is the one where he shot the Mauser and he had some clothes. I grabbed a sweater I wear the sweater on Christmas Eve and then hey when I was when I was fatter It's like it's like a fucking halter top my bellies and my belly fat's hanging out, you know my family's like I don't know anything I'm nuts, but uh, I normally wear that sweater on Christmas I forgot to bring it around a broader but wow Yeah, now that I lost weight, I think I'm actually sedom size, you know those hands spooky, you know I end up being the same so I could have wore all those clothes, you know, and they Wow, but uh, yeah, there were Christians, right and um We rolled up the tailor The tailor gave up a butler like I was me and another guy were at the tailor's house Right and we were gonna snatch this guy right this butler and the butler is the guy who used to wash sedom like he bathed sedom Every fucking day so sedona had someone bathe him. Yeah, he didn't bathe himself. No

1:50:40Crazy, right? Yeah, we're but he had a lot of a lot of but they were all Christians and they were all honestly They were all fucking nice people to be fair like all the Christians were great people Um, anyway Yeah, so I'm in the house with another guy and the guys early So we fucking shoot up on the roof the guy comes I call my guys there they're not really in place yet So uh, he comes He leaves he only stays a minute and he's gone, you know what I mean? And these I think all these inner circle sedom folks know they were valuable to us and And like they realized they were gonna get snatched at some time so he was like he was out right Um, I called my guys, right and then uh Literally my guys were like two blocks away as he was leaving he ran into their humvee He ran into my guys and they're like hey this guy just ran into us and like this vehicle. I'm like that's the dude He got an accident. Yeah, he ran into our guys in a humvee

1:51:44He was trying to drive away and like crashed into like the guys that were gonna snatch him Wow, yeah, I'll tell you another sedom story. This is this is my one of my favorites Uh sedom had like regular pieces of ass And like his favorite piece of ass was this Butterface lady I don't know what she did for him She wasn't a looker, you know what I mean? So like look and feel are different things sedom knew what felt right to him obviously um And she was married And we wanted to get to her. I mean Maybe sedom's favorite sex Partner wouldn't know where he is right? So We have the tailor the tailor knows who he is So we have the tailor kind of invite him to the tailor stop shop this tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad so he comes in the store and uh

1:52:46I told my guys if he doesn't come out quick to I had a couple um, I don't know what they're called now mo hawks I think is what they call the Iraqi counter terror guys Oh before they were even established like the guys were with us, you know, so we had a couple of those guys um and uh I have them start fighting in front of the store, right? So literally Everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting right like everyone piles out of all the shops stores And everyone's watching these two guys fight Literally the guy we're looking for like walks up to see the fight and his back Is to the vandor the guys that are gonna snatch him Wow, so I'm calling them like yo, you see that tall guy that's our guy fucking snatch him and no shit vandor vandor fucking open Nobody even knew where the fucking guy went the tailor later was like where did he go? Did you take who took him where did this guy go? Where does this man at, you know what I mean like No one even seen him get snatched right that's such a clever idea. Yeah have two guys fight

1:53:50Yeah, so what is gonna come later my boss was like who those guys fighting? I was like a star boy, and he was like wait, did you do that? And I was like what didn't want to be there for like six hours like you know what I mean like how do we speed this up? We got shit to do today like you know what I mean? That's my efficiency is my thing like That's genius. Yeah, that's one of the and we did so much. Hey, all right. I'll tell you another one my first sedom hit I worked A lot of intel side for sedom me and a couple other guys So we worked somewhere or not with our squadron and we worked with another government agency make sense So we get to call the squadrons doing a hit. There's a sedom siding right so this is like the beginning like 2003 Iraq we were fucking Ken block in it with fucking maps like hit the third traffic circle go out on the nine o'clock like Literally I get us to fucking Ken block and fucking navigate and through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map

1:54:54I get us to the fucking target right? Humvees are already there the rest of the guys are already there rangers got the blocking positions all set up So we get there we raid the house right we get all these guys and I'm finally There was like no fucking shit. Yo, there was like I don't know 15 mother fuckers It was like a sedom look alike fucking contest. They all had the mustache. There's like short fats of doms There's like tall skinny sedoms So it's like body doubles Well, I don't know if it was body doubles, but it just all looked like yeah because like the sedom look was popular the Moustache and I mean not that they all look the same but they kind of all look the same you know from my perspective at the time Right, so like it was like well no wonder someone called this in it's fucking like they all look like sedom You know what I mean? And then on the outside like Fuck man the ranger shot up these vehicles at the blocking position I have my squad my my son major was like hey go fucking clean up the bodies and I'm like

1:55:55Why the fuck am I on brains detail? I didn't fucking shoot no body today And he's like you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies And I'm like fucker already thought it through this is why this guy's the boss, you know what I mean? Like and then uh I lesson learned that day is you know like in Iraq you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck Man, we were loading bodies in there's fucking 100 water bottles in the back of the bed someone just come by the bed of the truck and thrown empty water bottle in like at the house or whatever Right and like I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of my truck and there's like bloody water bottles squirting everywhere It's a fucking mess man. So I learned that day like my vehicles are always clean Always fucking clean From that day on but like is a fucking mess and then Man, they shot up this fucking this old man this old lady like they ran the checkpoint They were about they're about to

1:56:57Hit the humvee with the ranger so the kids shot at the driver, but like the kids didn't the rangers back then didn't know as much as rangers No now, you know what I'm saying? And the kid like shot the warning shots at the driver But he hit the brakes And the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes if I don't know if you know that but uh and if I can hit the humvee I like fucking 40 miles an hour broke the transmission and I had to clean up the bodies Uh had a set up in HLZ take them later to the HLZ, you know what I mean? And then it was like my Is my first sedom raid in Iraq and it was my first Uh experience in Iraq with the rangers and like that day I was fucking fed up with them, you know Like there's some young fucking 18 year old kid medic in the back of the truck And like I'm like, hey fucking give these people morphine He's like, I'm not supposed to give the enemy morphine sergeant, you know what I mean? I'm like Yo, is anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here?

1:57:59Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck Then there is no fucking enemies here, but fucking give these people some drugs So like release we ain't got a fucking hear him mown and shit, you know what I mean? And like the kid like I had to force him to like fucking be humane, you know what I mean? Because he was just trying to follow orders later later would they be so much better right but Uh beginning of the war like my first that was my first sedom hit, you know what I mean? And I was just thinking Fucking this is gonna be awesome and a kid was shooting down the street with the 50 cow like Imagine just a fucking city street in Austin, right? And you're parked in the middle of the road and you just shoot with a 50 cow off the top of a humvee You know like eight feet off the ground through those tracer rounds would skip down the road It was breaking glass fucking going through cars fucking, you know 500 yards down the road like People scattered like Is amazing, you know, 50 cows amazing You know what I mean? And then that had a fucking pickup guts, but Well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like you you went through all this chaos

1:59:04You're uniquely qualified for chaos for some strange trees love chaos in my jam man as soon as this gets confusing Yo, I got this, you know what I mean? But why is that? I don't fucking know Seems to be what I do best. Yeah, I think so does that something that like You accumulated this mindset over time. I think you just always have it I think it was beating to me really yeah, like think about it when I was a kid the house was chaotic Yeah, you know, I mean you learn you learn the chaos Right, and then it's just Your design for that Brain glass and get your war. Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell me I'm not Yeah, I mean I understand you I understand you It's not normal, but I understand you. Yeah, I mean like look I just feel like okay We're all gonna die. I'm not gonna let it ruin my day. I've been through bad shit. I'm not the fucking victim

2:00:04I've done bad shit. I'm not the fucking bad guy. You know what I'm saying like Uh, and then haven't said that it's like I don't know man. I think it affects everybody differently, but I Think you know before I retired I was burned out. I didn't know I was burned out. I was an asshole every day. Fuck and I was you know you'd I mean I just fucking guys that come in my office. What do you want? Yeah, too slow get the fuck out when you know what you want come back You gotta be like okay, sorry, sure Well, you were operating at 10 you always yeah, and then I learned man like I was having a lot I fucking hated my life. I was miserable. I hated being a sergeant. I hated being an army management Is what I called it. I'm not a leader. I'm not a follower. I'm not a soldier. I'm fucking army management And that shit is fucking dry fucking toast, you know what I'm saying yeah And I just got out of fucking bag dad in oh six fucking killing people like oh six was a great year, you know Um, and then I got to sit on the fucking staff and do this shit like

2:01:06I just fucking killing me Joe and then So like I wasn't a very good star major. So I realized one day like man, I think I used to be funny Like you know like when I was a kid like I'd catch that beating if I could say that one fucking smart-ass comment to you I might get beat more But I fucking said my piece, you know, I mean even as a little kid I'll take the beating the fucking call you and asshole Right So like I kind of um maybe had that mindset going into it or something you know what I mean like um, but Oh, yeah, man, I just think like I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to Manage the chaos one minute. We're fighting the next minute, you know someone's at the front door like go answer The crazy thing about it is like if you are You're running them You're running any branch in the military and you're asking a lot of people To find someone like you that you can find someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it

2:02:07That's like try Recreating that in a lab. Fuck You know how do you how do you make that you can't oh? No, I've only seen like I don't know in my experience of all the guys I know and all the combat I've seen I'd say there's like just I mean You know we're not we're not the common guys I mean maybe a dozen in my life you guys on a group chat. Fuck no fuck now. You'll talk to nobody You know what I mean? You'll never know who they are. They fucking talking to you me fucking nobody You know me and some you know of the you know I maybe know what does another guys eight probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men wherever that is Uh and the other guys are like raising families and don't want you fucking with them. Right You know what I mean? They don't do shit like this. Yeah guys like me don't do shit like but the thing about it is if you didn't Talk about it people wouldn't know right like I think it's great that you talk about it

2:03:07I think it's important. I think people need to I mean people need to you know We're trying to like fill in an understanding of the world And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way in a way that No one else has you don't know that that's a thing right like the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing for everybody Thank you because people we will see like okay Like this is this is super complicated like this the whole thing super complicated and To have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing and to actually thrive in it It's very strange Thank you. I still think I'm normal Joe. I think I'm a regular guy. He definitely not normal But I like I said I understand you the things I get it but yeah man and look I got some more items You want to see something else I've never shown off so yeah

2:04:07I talk about stories and some of my videos about being a taxi driver I also had another vehicle That was an Ude Kuse secret police vehicle so when I drive this vehicle downtown like the fucking sea would part the road could be packed And then driving my vehicle people just move what kind of vehicle isn't It was like a maxima a Nissan Maxima, but it's what the Ude secret police drove You know what I'm saying and then they carried these and I'll show you Well So the the lion is the Babylon lion and that's the symbol of the Republican guard But I used to carry that as a taxi driver and when I get out of the taxi people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away Wow And that's a Republican that's what the Republican guard rock those silver guns I say it's a pearl handle, but it's like plastic

2:05:11Yeah, there's nothing fancy about it But specific to them. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I had a guy make it for me Uh elk ribble tool handle. Yeah, bozman on talent. There's only so many guys that all do AKs Yeah, I'm like, you know what I mean you you want a you want like a silver a K What are you the cartel? No, get the fuck out of here. You're not serious about guns. You know how many fucking nose I had to collect up to like Anyway, but uh, that's my Republican guard. That's my taxi driver So you had that made specifically because you knew that they carried that no I captured that on The battlefield and carried it in Iraq so that is what but why does it say bozman on talent? Oh, cuz well cuz okay, so if you bring one home you get fired But what I did what I did is I took the handguard in the pistol grip And then I had a guy make a copy of what I had

2:06:13Yeah, yeah, okay, so it's it's I mean it's legal and everything So the handguard in the pistol grip is from the original guy right, but that's exactly what the original gun look like Cuz I didn't want look when you're in the DFO like you want to get fired for bringing back an AK, right? fucking you know what I mean like Dom like you know what I mean like it's not worth the risk, right? But like it's like hey, can I bring this handguard back like the fuck you want that garbage for That's a yes, you know, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then it took me a while to get but yeah that guy built it for me Just got it kind of matches the hat everybody I know likes to take a picture with that handguard So it's kind of popular, but uh Yeah, the hats been in Texas here for a very long time Ben stored in Texas Got it documented about as much as possible as I can some fucking nightmares. I don't know. Hey, you know anybody that would might want it Will you sell it? Yeah, I bet someone want that. I don't I don't want it. Yeah

2:07:16If someone No, fuck no, Joe. Why do you think I keep it in a black fucking box? Yeah, and like yeah, I don't want it But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me like I mean I crammed it in a box Yeah, well and the guy that stored it for me put it in glass You know what I mean like he kind of knew what he was doing Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag. You know what that would be good for? Zach Begins haunted museum Hmm No, I hear that place is fucking creepy. It's my brother said it was fucking creepy And my brother likes creepy shit and he was freaked out. Oh, he's got everything in the place It's got a Kavorki and van and we killed old people and he's got the Camaro from fucking the wake go. What's Koresh? Does he and like the cereal I thought he bought no Camaro from correction you were gonna like Wasn't the cereal number like I am God or something wasn't that the cereal number? It's a 68 Camaro and it was for sale and I came that close to pulling the trigger on it

2:08:17But I was like I don't want that fucking bad juju in my life. That's it 68 Camaro from deadly siege Zach Begins. Oh, he does that so he bought it I'm not bought it. Yeah, that's the one selling it. I think oh he's selling it now. So he got it It was for sale 23. This was from a year. No, this it was for sale quite a while ago And I was gonna buy it. I found somebody Somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars And they said Koresh his Camaro for sale. I was like, oh, and I went like this. Let me buy it And I was like no The fuck am I gonna do with this? Yeah, yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history. Yeah, I have a 69 Yeah, I love them. I love old muscle cars. So I was thinking about it But I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't want that in your life. You know what that I had a 67 Camaro and I was a kid Look at the title David Koresh, Waco, Texas. What's this? Is this serial number say I am God or something? No, it seems normal. Look at the bed numbers normal. It's no Fucking crazy asshole. Yeah, that guy

2:09:20I When you know you went to the mothership last night. Yeah, I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult And they moved out here. It was called I forget what the What's the name the Bodhi tree? Is that what it's called? Anyway, there's a documentary around it's called Holy Hell. So this guy this guy He was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood and he was a gay porn star in a hypnotist. So this fucking guy He got a lot of ass. So what is the Bodhi field? That's it. Thank you. So Waco goes off, right? And then the cult awareness network starts investigating him And he's running this cult in West Hollywood. So he escapes in the middle of the night and drives out to Texas Moves to Austin tells everybody come here and they all move out to Austin And then he has them build this place. It's called the one-world theater And all the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody

2:10:20One guy sends out a mass email So hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and but fucking me for the last 10 years and everybody's like me too So then they'll find out that he's fucking everybody this guy So they all leave the cult falls apart The buildings for sale so I swoop in When I move here the buildings for sale Ron White tells me about the building being for sale He's like this building fucking awesome. I'm there you should get you should buy it So Ron white's my hero. So I'm like oh I had fuck it. Yeah, you know, I need a club We're gonna open up a comedy club. Let's open it up in this place Also, it's problems with the building code this that lot of environmental lot of shit So I get out of it, but I bought the building before I watched the documentary So I watched the documentary and I'm like oh no Same thing it's like these fucking people though all the lives lost they lived 20 years These poor people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole and he's got this building But the reason why I bought the building was because of Waco So Waco when Waco pops off they they were like oh geez these cults are fucking dangerous

2:11:25So the cult awareness networks starts going after everybody. So this guy moves here and changes his name So goes like back then you could kind of change you know internet you could do that You could kind of change your name and know it. Oh, it's a different guy And so he builds he has his whole all his followers build him this theater So for a brief period of time I was on the contract for that theater. Do you go in that building? Oh, yeah Was it creepy in there? It was a little weird this guy would like he had this theater It's beautiful theater he had it built so he could dance in front of his followers So he could perform in front of his followers Who's a weird cap? He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger But then as he got older so I get in plastic surgery and go look real weird And he would like be thinking about getting something done So he'd force one of his followers to go get it done And so they'd get it done they'd come back or the fucking cheek so he's like hmm I kind of like that and then he would go and get the the surgery done at the end of it Then to the documentary he looks really fucking weird because he's got Tox and she can all weird shit to his face

2:12:27Yeah, but the feeling in the building was just like like a loss That's what it felt like loss Just oh no Yeah, like like you don't want to buy a house from some people that they went bankrupt and they lost everything in their family Fell apart then you're in the house like oh This house feels like sadness. Yeah, that's a family. We go burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days We'll clean it up get some good energy. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that that didn't happen Yeah, why even go through that? Yeah, well, it was kind of funny at first. I thought it was funny until I You know cult on did oh, this is funny and then my buddy Adam called me up because hey you watch a documentary on that cult I was like oh no Documentary never good. Yeah, they don't like dog make documentaries about the good cults No, and it was a fucking it was horrible the end of the documentary like you're tearing up You're like oh these poor fucking people because he's so many people some people are just gullible and they they're not bad people They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life. Yeah, that's all of it They need something. Yeah, they need something they need something they're missing something whatever it is something went wrong

2:13:33And they're willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit and then 20 years later they realize they wasted their life people do a lot of weird shit color religion Exactly. Yeah, yeah, and that was this place. Yeah, but That was because of Waco that this this guy built this thing. Yeah Damn the Waco things fucked you ever watched the the raid I know yeah, I mean the raid kind of like we got the briefings back in the day like you know the raid was a couple years old Yeah You know about the raid it was very fucked. I mean they just cooked those people. Yeah, they burned it down. Oh, yeah There's a bunch of see the tanks like shooting fire into the buildings. I don't know what happened caught fire Yeah, I think it was back in the 90s when you could kind of get away with something like that and people didn't really know Yeah, yeah, like well, we didn't know it would burn well. It is made of wood like yeah, but I mean we shot fire at it Yeah, I don't know what happened. Yeah, yeah Crazy All right, you ready. I got some other stuff. What else you got what else you got?

2:14:33So check this out I got I got a swag bag for you. Okay, I got a bunch of stuff. Uh, I make that I do right So I just kind of want to I like to do this right look. I got you the Sob hat. This is the best hat Yeah, we sell right here. It's the one I wear this on the range every day. Okay. I got your same t shirt as me team Sob shirt Right well, welcome to the team Joe. Thank you. We're glad to have you One of my second favorite shirt of all times is this and I wear this every day when I all count Do you really oh wait? Oh, no, it's the wrong one. I got a shirt. I'd I tell you shirts are called slaughter things And it's all I wear now. Can you know But look we got your shut up hippie shirt. I sell a ton of these like I wear these other knives bullets Got your shut up hippie shirt. I when I go to California teach California classes I wear a shut up. Hibishe shirt all the time

2:15:35And then tons of guys buy him. I had a guy. He comes to my classes. He's a younger kid. He's tall Got a young family, right? They go to I think asheville, North Carolina and they're eating it like some destination Like you got to go eat here and it's a bus So he's a big guy, right? And he's in this like school bus And it's where you got orders in his old school bus So he said like my shoulders almost touch in the ceiling and he had to put his head down And he had his shut up hippie shirt on behind him and some a some hippie behind him was like Better be careful wearing that shirt. You'll get your ass kicked around here, right? Hey any any says he looks back And he pulled up his shirt and he said better mega to gunfight and they shot the fuck up. Oh, that's hilarious Yeah, well North Carolina is gonna get your ass kicked. Yeah, that's so funny by hippies That's so funny. Okay, it's the most gentle ass kicking of all time Yeah, thank you for that. You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. I got to condom holster. I make these 365 it's your EDC you um you make these out of leather right? Yeah

2:16:36They're made out of leather. I saw this on Sean show. Yeah nice. Yeah, it's it's all I use. It's all I wear It is the most comfortable holster Here and that's all the stuff for you. I'll give you the bag too also Oh, I got a bag. Okay, so check us out here's another thing. I use all the time the cooling schmog So basically I saw this too. You know what the you know the schmogs right? Yeah, yeah, basically I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog Okay, so like when I'm on the range literally I just dump a bottle of water in my neck the fucking thing absorbs it What's it made out of? It's the cooling material. You know like the cooling towel material right? The the problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough So it's like one layer on your neck and it dries in like two minutes this right this you could kind of get double it up Poor water on it. It'll stay cool because I've seen people they're making gear and close out of like this cooling material What is it? I don't know. I think it's like if the way it's woven to where when the water drains out of it It cools quicker, right? And it's materials that cool clicker or feel cool to the touch

2:17:40Yeah, kind of deal without knowing what it is I've heard like people talk about clothes that they make out of this they like it's really legit For whatever reason it like keeps you cooler. I would wear t-shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day amount Yeah, yeah Especially in the heat, you know what I mean? Okay, so check it out. I got you a couple slings. I don't know if you have rifles But okay 100% made in America Everything on the sling is made. There's a cutie on there. I make Traditionally QDs in their gun world if somebody wants to buy any this stuff where do they get it online? Sheriff a bag dad joke. Sheriff a bag dad dot com. That's right. That's right. Okay. Here's another thing I got you a punchers punch daggers. Okay, so it's g10 I got I got a few of them here. Okay, so this doesn't even go through a metal detector That's right. There's a there's no metal in the sheath. It's all plastic screws a Clean's up easy. It won't No DNA you could clean it in diesel fuel. It'll wash all the DNA off these a few

2:18:41You want to know anything alcohol. Yeah, I think so just go to the gas station Yeah, yeah, you could you could do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate the plastic. It'll come clean And I sharpen them with um I sharpen them normally with like 400 grit sandpaper Did you really it is really sharp? But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like you I was always wearing my body armor right and I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center That way if something happened I could get it right bum and just start fucking punch I mean the whole problem with knives is you got to learn how to use a knife But with a punch dagger if you could throw a punch Right You could bury that thing in someone's neck, you know what I mean? Which what I would tell anyone James been looking for one of those for a while. How about you Jamie? One car gets out of line Hey It'll clean the DNA off sand it down a little alcohol. Okay another thing I made and this is super important

2:19:41I call these combat bands It's a high temperature silicone, but it's a rubber band the so what here is When like when I carry this rifle I'd put a sling on it, but if I'm in in and out of vehicles the sling is always just hanging somewhere So I'd put the rubber band on the gun and then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band So if this such as the barrel doesn't melt right right and then back in the day I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes And if I can last a day like in the heat in Texas a rubber band will last one day in a car Well, well, that's only one day I might I got to go to out every day in my car right so when I retired It's one of the things I wanted the most so I made them the Guys use them like put suppressor covers hold them on there bearing you know on the suppressor you have great videos online Like instructional videos like how to fight out of your car. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, they're really like informative Like like things I didn't think I was interested in learning

2:20:41Then I started watching this like this guy's fucking thought this shit through. It's all I did Joe like and I'm look I'm a simple guy Let me just show you how I did this Right, maybe you come up with a better way. I don't know right and but I think this is like This is the difference between the army and the unit in the army. They're like here's a gun kid go use it in the unit They're like let me show you to the degree how to use that rifle So when something happens guess what you know what I'm saying? So it's the difference between showing someone something and teaching someone something and I think those are different And I think I think that's what the unit was good at Here's some of my favorite things the boot kits Solomon boots made for the military. I've been wearing Solomon boots You'll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture I hunt them within this year. Yeah. Yeah, it's all I wear are Solomon's right well if you got the quests You know how the laces kind of come yep, so like the running shoes. Yeah. Yeah So I turn them into like the running shoes nice. Yeah, we sell a ton of those

2:21:45Okay, and what do you do with the extra lace cut it off? I cut it off I loose in the boot where I get my foot out and I cut the excess off and put the end on So so I don't have like three feet of laces. I only have like eight or ten inches. Right? Six or whatever it is. Okay These are these are some of my best things This is a I would call it a scribe tool Right in the fact set that it's a carpenter pencil make sense You know carpenter pencil, but the middle is g10 same thing as the punch knife So it's for stabbing a lot of guys carry them Go through metal detectors a lot of guys carry them airports like these things I get pictures of these things have Rewear I made it fist size so you could punch with it or kind of get a good stab with it If you wanted you know, I mean something I always wanted smart. Yeah, I have a pencil like that. Yeah, someone gave me

2:22:46Yep, yep. Okay, so check this out you here's a bunch of stickers. We make Some of the things that happen on the range blind guys always tell them they can't see shit You know how like when you shoot and guys like really push their butt backwards. I called out the prison wallet You know what I mean? I mean showing me your prison wallet, you know what I mean? So there's a lot of stickers are like funny shit I tell guys all the time like a guy we shoot and good all day long the end of the day you'll fuck something up And I'll just come up all I got to do is whisper to a guy be like sucks the sock don't it? And I got to be like show the fuck up. You know what I mean? So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range right and then look This is the premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier is I made a little card um The gun world is sketchy information at best Generally speaking of where your bullets go and why like it's fucking magic Is about eye dominance now one side's eye dominance the other one is how to fix yourself where the bullets go and why

2:23:49Hmm make sense yeah, so look this edge well how you yeah, so like this edge Tension on the left hand. Yep, and then like You use this edge. So if your group is generally tall Right you got stance issues and then as you see your group whatever angle it's on The arrows point to it and tell you how to fix it and just say now backside eye dominance This is where the gun world fucks up And I'll tell you this the gun world talks about two things for eyes primary hand primary eye right handed right? I don't they talk about being cross-eyed dominant right handed left eye dominant right right okay Here's how division I think really works okay um Being primary hand primary eye is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting you should open your eyes you should do this right He makes all the rules, but the reality is is his vision is his right eye on a scale the one to ten

2:24:50He'll tell you borderline 11 because it's that fucking good, you know I mean borderline 11 in the good eye Ask him the vision in his other eye and he's gonna tell you hard eight. It's not really so good Mm-hmm. This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open Makes sense. Yeah, okay now These are the same thing it whether your primary hand primary eye or cross-eyed dominant It's the same thing you have a strong eye and a weak guy and the strong eye takes over Doesn't fucking matter strong eye takes over right fucking easy for you. Okay This is one out of ten The other nine or what I call eye neutral right? They don't have a dominant eye and either I could take over at any time because either I on a pistol can see the sights at any time And this is where people get fucked up that makes sense with archery too 100% it's the same don't like to keep both eyes open I tried it. Yeah, well, that's because you're what I would call eye neutral Mm-hmm

2:25:50Say what I'm saying and then I would I would also say this if you have a gray hair on your head You're closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant any fucking thing because of life Right and and the reason I would tell you that is because The part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears It's the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms right they work All these things on your subconscious. I think work better together and are stronger together What do I mean by that? You know, you know when it comes to leg days dudes are like dude man bro on a squat 500 on leg day Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg? No, you can't probably right because the legs are stronger together than they are independently And this is a function of the the deep part of your brain the fast part of your brain right So having said that you can't choose an ear can you right the only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid Which has nothing to do with vision or dominance? See what I'm saying that makes sense Like I've never heard anybody say that before but now that you're saying it. Yeah, like okay

2:26:54Yeah, so if you look at the card Right if you're like right handed right eye dominant You should be hitting in the middle of the circle there right But if your left eye takes over look where the rounds will come And it'll always be look it'll always be eye distance apart on your target So people that have eye issues they don't shoot one group They shoot two groups one for each eye and the gun goes left eye right I left eye right eye Evan was telling me that he Learned to practice left handed a lot. Yeah, he practices things even those right hand dominant He's like help it helped the right side to practice with the left side. Yeah. Do you subscribe to that? Yes, I do and I'll tell you why before I retired from the army I tore my bicep. I'm out of my out of my left arm. I'm left handed So I went and turned in on my left handed holsters and got right handed holsters And I was like I'm gonna train myself to be right handed from here forward Because the VA said I'd never use my left hand again

2:27:54So I was like okay, fuck you guys. I'll be right. You can't slow me down You know what I mean? Uh, and then I started training as a righty Took me about two weeks as fucked up is tough You know what I mean? I had to stick with it fucking a lot of frustrating days And after about two weeks my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand Hmm, and I just fucking rocked it from then on out I mean since because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side You just have to well think about this if if you actually knew perfect practice You could switch out to the other hand right, but if you never knew perfect practice the other hand would get the same garbage Right that makes sense. Yeah So I think completely makes sense and I've never heard anybody say it before everybody says you should keep both eyes open Well, you should but the guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye and he can do that right where you Your brain when I say someone is eye neutral your brain treats your eyes is equal What does that mean your vision could be shit? It could be great But the brain says I got two windows. I look out of this one. Yeah, let me look out of that one

2:28:58And you're going back and forth you do you'll see the gun move you'll see the head move and there and then most of the time It just like it's no good. You just not seeing it good Makes sense it does are you one of those guys that resist red dots or do you I don't get a shit You know, they're made but did you bring that shit at all or do you so because iron sights never fail you Yeah, yeah, no batteries. I am not a red dot guy. I'm an iron sight guy However, let me explain myself the internet knows me as a red dot hater But you know, I'm taking that video and I'm gonna draw one line through that red dot back to your face And if it don't point exactly to your eye you're shooting and not seeing shit And every time I show this to somebody like so you're against red dots No You're never going to catch the red dot unless you get better technique You know, I'm not a technique with iron sights Well, no, you can have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you But no one shows it to you right the next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for

2:30:01Guys who don't see well because what happens is the red dot it becomes in between you your eye and the target Makes sense essentially right so you'll be able to see that But what no one tells you is it's harder to learn harder to master Hmm, so you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing it. Why is it hard to learn? Few reasons um You know the if you look at pro shooters High level pro shooters guys that are like fucking insanely fast winning you know, it national ipsich champs rob Rob latheum Dave syvigni you look at these guys Well, what you'll see is like There's so much more efficient than anyone else right and they'll use a way bigger site like I think the winning is Site of all time and like gun games is uh, it's like this see more STS But it's like more of the size of a bear can then Then it is the little tactical site right so now when you shrink that thing down to a postage stamp

2:31:05They put a coating on it so it doesn't fucking reflect or whatever But you can't see through it well and they curve the glass which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fish eyes A fucking real thing right But this red dot has all these things going on and it's supposed to be better for a guy who don't see shit Hmm, that's interesting and it just becomes harder to do and then once you show them how to get it right like They'll never have problems again But it's all about showing them how to get it right right and then no one talks about that because they're stuck on You can't use the right eye or they never get past that how important is it to teach people to right way the first time so they don't have to unlearn shit man Everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do Whether you've shot before or not and I'm gonna have to unfuck that No matter what no matter what so it's like you know, it's like kind of like in the dojo where it's like okay I want you to do like 20 good 20 shitty arm bars And then we'll we'll get the hips better on the next 20. We'll tweak the hand on the next 20

2:32:09We'll do you know what I mean like get some of them bulk movements down first And then we keep fine tuning right fine tuning. Yeah, so It doesn't matter if I mean look even if even if you learned how to punch from John Jones on your first day You wouldn't go out and win a match that night, right? You know what I mean? So I think it's like I always I tell people this all the time 1% better a day Just 1% that's what I'm looking for today if I can be 1% better today than I was yesterday Well, that's 365% by the end of the year and I didn't do much every day You know what I mean? So I always tell people like Shooting or a skill like this is a marathon not a sprint right so it's better. That's with everything right? Yeah, I think so yeah, you know And I tell you like you know if you if you think you're gonna have to pull a gun and save your family one day You should be practicing a few times a week Yeah, you know, and it doesn't have to be much, but you should be practicing a little bit Yeah, getting this gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the time comes because it's not gonna come to you then right

2:33:13Yeah, that's a great advice. Yeah. Do you enjoy teaching? I fucking love teaching. I love helping people Uh now that I'm doing jits again a lot of people want me to show them like Fucking cars or guns and jits and guns and I don't know if I'm ready to take my sanity past time and turn it into work You know what I'm saying? So I play with guns now and a lot of guys have told me I need to be like you know You like the car bailouts like all this shit like I do uh I'm afraid to ruin jiu jitsu is work So I've been reluctant and I always tell people I'll never teach jiu jitsu, but like I fucking teach anyone everything I mean if we can get better today, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. I think it makes you better at jiu jitsu I think it's selfish. I think it's like a good thing for you. Well, okay, you know this you're a black belt, right Every day you went to a dojo you were trying to hand that black belt his ass And then you get your black belt and now everyone every day the rest of your life is trying to hand

2:34:18You your ass, you know, I mean it's a fucking thankless job. Yeah No, I love that you were no one's trying to hand you ass fuck yeah, let's go. That's the beautiful thing about your jitsu too I know you don't really yeah, you don't catch any breaks you might get it one day where there's like oh it's only blue belts here I love it when someone forces me into like real survival mode Now I'm not talking about like, you know, you got a triangle and I'm just gonna ride this I'm talking like someone like I'm like fucking I gotta do something now. I fucking love that man How are you how are you avoiding injuries? Okay, so First and foremost I started out. I don't even take motrin. I try to take no drugs after I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active And you know, I try not to take any medicines at all. I went to master worlds and mother fuckers are yoked up Fucking add the gear is out, you know what I mean like these motherfuckers are working out since last year Just a fucking stroke of motherfucker today, right? So like

2:35:21As a little unprepared this year for worlds in that aspect, but I'm all for the peptides I'm all for the T yard. I'm not against any of it per se Uh, and and I think that's a I did the peptides. I just I'm not I don't I don't like shots like right and I won't give myself a shot I you were talking about that on ryan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like your skin. Yeah, like I don't like that I don't know what I know guys been through everything that you've been through like needles sketch me out I mean just give it it doesn't hurt like I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like peptides are so easy I know well I took the pills I took the I took the pill one C157 yeah, and and I'll tell you like super legit Was it Gary Brecco that guy yeah, he talks about red-headed people. I'm a red-headed people. I got pale skin You know red-headed people have better pain tolerance Yeah, I well I take drugs different. I think there's a thing about that though You see Google that red-headed people have better pain tolerance

2:36:23Hey my whole life I've taken drugs differently like I don't get percussed Delotted So I think like you got roofied I else conked out. Yeah, I'm just an over party mode like you're also talking about on Sean's show that you take you have the thing that Jamie has where you could take a lot of Edibles and you don't feel it. Oh, yeah, the the really gummies are Some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies have found the opposite. Oh, okay So it's all fucked up. Yeah, I know Inclusive yeah, but um, yeah depends on the individual so but I will tell you this it healed my stomach and my healing went from like a Week or two to like Four days bbc157's very legit. Yeah, and yeah, so anyway, I want to do more in the future I'd like to I kind of want to do it all like I mean, I'm fucking I'm 54 man That's why I was asking you Do and to avoid injuries. Okay, so besides that I do cardio a couple years ago my first elk hunt my first elk bow hunt

2:37:28You know, we ride up to like 9,000 feet and then like walked up three miles from there Like yo, I was too 80 at one time that was a fucking hell of a walk for a big fat mother fucker up that fucking mountain And then I hunt with these old guys and then the two guys I was with like two of the guys have hearing aids And the other runs right huh from guns. Uh, I don't know. They're older. We're right. Yeah, yeah, they're hunters right So both of them got hearing aids and the front one looks back to the second one both good friends of mine like and was like Turn your hearing aids down so you got to hear him breathe so fucking loud And I'm like I heard you mother fuck you like So uh, I told myself like I was gonna start walking 30 minutes a day and that was fucking hard And then now I do like an hour cardio I could run but I don't um, but I started again. I need to be running a little bit for cardio um I treat strength as two different things I

2:38:29spent about a year Uh, with 15 pound dumbbells just like rehabbing Motion movement joints and it was a lot of fucking pain and then you know now I'm I'm getting stronger every day I've been you know power athlete big john But I kind of look at strength two different ways I try to do strength days where it's like the traditional squats Dead like all the big ones push pulls all of it covered all And then I see it as a conditioning as something separate Right and conditioning would be lighter weight like Crossfit like round right without without knowing how to say it better. Yeah, so But the steps Fucking I'm gonna tell you this I'll tell anybody this you want to fucking start losing weight It starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day get your ass out there start fucking walking Uh, and then the next thing I did is uh, I went to a competition class by shons in Tennessee And uh, I got a diet. I got workouts. I got an app. I tracked my diet. I did uh right before worlds

2:39:33I was at 170 grams of protein 1800 calories a day And I was very strict about it. Yeah, and I shredded weight I cut I cut down I was probably 240 I cut down to 22 As the smallest human being in fucking 22 because everyone's yoked up like fucking madman Well my coaches were like, you know And I can't believe I even listen to this but they're like man It's the 55 bracket like it's guys like you. This is their past time You know what I mean? Today is not the same. Yo, these motherfuckers will cut this is fucking killer season out at this bitch You know what I mean? Like I was unprepared for man. I had this big Mongolian motherfucker You know Edwin Edwin, Nedwin, Jammy, you know Edwin Edwin uh, Gracie Bar Tarzan California, right Edwin's like a jujitsu legend. He's at worlds. Who's your coach? I'm fucking have a coach is me my backpack and a key let's fucking get this fight going bitch And he's like wall coach and I'm like, okay, you know what I mean? I don't got a coach

2:40:36And then like right before we walk out on the mat He's like, yo, Reff, are they the same weight class? And I'm like, yo my man Ed this is my coach right here my man like You know what I mean? But like this dude was fucking huge and he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers. You done this? Oh, I've seen that I couldn't I couldn't get the takedown and then we went down on the ground He hit me with a like a fucking paper cutter pop my head out try to choke me again Fucking got out of it, but as I was getting up. I knew I needed to keep this guy in the ground But guess what man when you get in trouble. Guess what you do you stand the fuck up and this dude stand up And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back And then I was just fucking exhausted like as fucking Jesus ramp up their conditioning. Yeah, fuck yeah, man this year. I'm fucking winning where I'm fucking world champion Joe I'm the toughest old motherfucker. I fucking know You know god damn it. Let's fucking go. I'm gonna figure this shit out But I will tell you I think what I didn't know is you got a train to compete to compete well

2:41:37And I fucking fight and I want to fight and I want to get smashed and I want to fucking I want to almost lose this fight 10 fucking times to finally get that fucking submission on you And that's a great fight to me and like yo You just lost 13 points on that And then if you don't get the submission you just lost 13 points on that You know what I mean like so it's a different animal treating it like the sport versus What you get out of it? Yeah, and I'll tell you this is like I probably could have changed the match if I would have pulled guard around three minutes in I never pulled guard in my fucking life like what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard Well, I figured it out. I'll tell you what kind of asshole when you can't take a bigger mother fucker down Yeah, this is maybe what pulling guards for or in the real world walk the fuck away Yeah, before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here You know what I mean thinking you're something you ain't Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back?

2:42:37A lot of times big guys don't like start there fucking get my neck. Let's go. You can't take I will give you my back just to fucking get out. I don't give a fuck man I always like honestly when I when I'm like when I'm just at the dojo like Girls or smaller people right like I try not to smash them right and I'll tell him like hey if I get on top Just fucking sweep me right stay on top of me the whole time And I just fucking let him go at me. Yeah, which is what you're best shit. Yeah, when I would roll with someone whose week I would pretend I'm weak and like that's I think that's the best way to do it. Yeah, like no strength I'm never gonna use strength. Yeah, I think this it hits and always said the that defense was more important than anything He said yeah, I am always safe No matter where I am I am always safe defense You're fucking hey your Hicks and it's great by the way You see the documentary. I have not seen choke, but I just finished his new book the Dark one dark dark Hicks and came out with a new book. I just I just

2:43:41A book because he's got Parkinson's down. Yeah, but you know, he's got the breathe book But he just came out with a new one. I just listened to it like last week. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you got to watch choke I got to one of the greatest documentaries of all time. I know I've heard for martial artists. I've heard Incredible. It's Hicks and in his prime competing in Japan, Valley, Tudo and you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit Where it's dumb and sucks up inside? I don't even know how to do that. Yeah, he uh when he was testing me Not purple belt. He was like Yes, um yes Yeah, when when I lay on the ground I am flat He's like when you lay on the ground You are not flat you should roll more. I'm like Hey, I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat. You know what I mean? But god damn it roll more Yeah, I should roll. Yeah, and he's he's showing me like rolls from side control get not a stuff because I am more Round than I am flat and it's kind of like you know fat guy should roll more. It's hard to stop, you know right

2:44:45So he had there's some real fucking wisdom in there, you know what I mean? But it's like I always like how like they know enough English to assault you But they'll say it like their way, you know, yes you were just being practical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just real talk And that's what he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy I am the only person so okay. I had to do the paperwork. You know, there's other like Big-time Hicks and black belts out there. They're kind of Police up all everybody. So when you go to worlds or you fight, you know like these guys and they told me they would They'd get me under their paperwork, but literally I did the paperwork with IBJJF and I sent it to Hicks and and he filled out the paperwork But like I didn't know I sent him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms We just sign it with your finger on your phone like super easy I sent it to Hicks and I was like hey coach. We got a form. We got a fine sign and he's not He's not a member any of these organizations anymore. So like I didn't know how this would go and they're like sent me a fucking paper copy and I like have Mr.

2:45:48Gracie sign this signature right? So I texted to Hicks and I'm like hey coach Can you sign my paperwork for worlds real quick and he texted me right back and he's like hey champ I'm looking for a printer now as soon as I find one. I'll sign this and I was just Fuck I don't even know who's got a printer. I don't even have a printer my fucking house Like if Hicks and looking for a printer, I think he just told me no You know what I mean like right right like fuck and then like a couple days later He sent it back to me signed right. I think probably his wife was like oh Hicks and yeah, look Yeah, I mean like I just didn't I think he kind of didn't know But he got back to me and then they sent me I had to do this a few times And then I was the only guy. I'm the only belted guy fighting under Hicks and in Masters right? Yeah, that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, and then Uh, I would say this for jujitsu for me is like I'm so glad it is where it is these days because back in the day I mean think about this back in the day. I travel all the time. I'm in a different dojo fucking weekly

2:46:51You know, I might be here for four days. I try to get three days of jits. I'm in fucking wakego I'm going to fucking places. I've been in 26 different dojos this year like doing jits back in the day That was fucking korean day, you know what I mean fucking monsters and Portuguese right because you don't have no loyalty You don't have no fucking and the reality is like yeah, I'm just never home right I don't want to be unloy all to anybody unloy all to everybody But I just want to get rounds and I'm so glad the dojitsu world It's so fucking welcoming these days meaning yeah like Like I don't have to show up and fight right much more open minded. Yeah, happy to welcome people from other schools The only the only the only person that was like Why are you here was a cyborg at fight sports? Oh really? Yeah, you know cyborg? Yeah sure He's great and you know, you know, Roosevelt you know Roosevelt the tall guy that hangs out with him I don't tallest black belt I ever seen let it tallest brazilian I ever seen right so he's one of the black belts down there with

2:47:52with him with cyborg and I'm out there and then like at the time I was blue belt, you know, I mean and I was probably I don't know 250 I was kind of fat and like fight sports is like old school brazilian jujitsu where we're gonna shrimp across the mat We do fucking all this I don't give a fuck if you lose your jiu jitsu today, but you're gonna be tough right So it's that kind of shit and that's how Carlson graces was yeah Yeah, yeah, you even got to the class you were fucking exhausted Yeah, the class hasn't started yet right so I'm out on the mat. I'm breathing hard I'm just kind of doing my thing and uh rose about the big tall black belt comes over and he was like Man, he's like you are my inspiration. I'm like I am coach. I'm your inspiration. He's like yes He's like you are out here. You are doing this man He was like you are everyone's inspiration and I'm looking around and like everyone's rolling like and And then like everyone stops because like he's talking to me You know what I mean and like I've now everyone's looking at me and I'm like what and the fuck is going on right

2:48:54So he was like you are here you are doing this you were old you are my inspiration And I'm like Thanks coach. I was like and then like I didn't need a break But I was like fuck after that talk. Maybe I do need a break So I was like maybe I do need a break coach, you know, and he was like okay fix your key So I fix my gear time I belt. He's like run laps around the practice until you're ready to practice It was like man, that's fucking worse. I wasn't I didn't even need the fucking break and he gave me the old speech So I agreed and then like and then I had a run lat I thought that was more embarrassing running laps around everybody Right, but like like when he said he wanted to give me a break like the fucking breaks is like screech to a halt everybody was like Did he just say like does that guy? What a fuck does that guy get a break, you know, and I mean your break was a do laps Yeah, and yeah, and then in cyborg came up to me and Um, they didn't I didn't have a key yet. I hadn't bought a key and I hadn't found a key to fit me So I had I just bought a key, but only had a white belt right oh

2:49:57I got the key at Gracie Raleigh my home dojo right and then they only had a white belt So I had a white belt so I was white belt in it, but really I was a blue belt So and when it came to roll him cyborg is like who are you man? I'm like coach and he's like who are you man? Who are you? Why are you like a spy? Yeah, he's like why are you here? And I'm like I just I just well my brother lives here Coach and I called ahead of time and I asked if I could come do jujitsu I'm just trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road He's like man you are no white belt who are you what are you doing here? And I was like well, I'm actually a blue belt coach and he was like why didn't you then they got a wall of like old belt Which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen like I'm 100 just old different all kinds of belts. It's fucking cool. It's fucking my opinion But he was like why didn't you get one off the extra belt and I was like Well, you didn't have one coach and he looked he thinks for a second He was like you are right. There's not one your size on the wall And I was like holy fuck there's a ton of belts there for him to even know that like wow

2:50:59Because I went through all of them and couldn't fit one, you know and he was like okay, you know He was just concerned that you were sandbagging or trying to get him. Yeah, I don't know Yeah, and then but they were great with me like shout out to cyborg and Roosevelt hard dudes. Yeah, they're fucking their hard down there I'm gonna roach all those guys down there, but I've been in 26. I think 26 dojos this year That's wild and then so you're all in I'm all in man. I'm in I mean all the time and then like so one of the things is like I can only go to Hicks and it get promoted because I'm never in one doll dojo long enough Right to like earn a stripe or earn So I think it's like a I don't know. I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am You know what I mean? And then Honestly, the reason I went to Hicks and is because I could Yeah, and I figured if if I need to be tested for a belt Yeah, like who else? Yeah, you know what I mean when you get your black belt you get a black belt from Hicks and it's like There's very few black belts that hold that kind of weight. Yeah, there's like in zoe. Yeah

2:52:01Yeah, John jock Machado. There's a few of those like old school legendary belts. Yeah Yeah, fuck Megaton Diaz. It's like a few of legendary old school belts, you know, yeah, fucking sour Hegan. Yeah, hegan. Yeah, I love hegan. I know. I love I actually was hegan's Corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. I was you were yelling his time out. Yeah, cuz I was there at Eddie Bravo Oh, yeah, that's right, you know, we all trained in the Machado So I know hegan and then he was like my friend do do do the time for me and so like He was like he's kind of out of shape. He's don't fucking people up Yeah, but he wanted to know like give me tell me when there's like a minute to go It's like a really fucking hit the gas like I'm a coast for a little bit Decide when to go. Yeah, I love that I call it like I call it fat guy jujitsu And I think people are shocked when I say that term, but really it's it's like the I don't know the Dan or her ageless stuff. There's there's stuff that bigger guys

2:53:02Letheth lethic right are gonna have to do because they can't do a flying whatever they can't you know what I mean and like I love his smash game and I so I was at I went to the Machado camp. It was him Roger Carlos And John oh John Machado. I love that guy too. You know John sure He carries he carries condom holsters nice. Yeah, he's great man But I went to their summer camp and I was like hey, can I get a picture and like he's sitting on the couch and Carlos is like You know typical bigger brother should get the fuck up. You're lazy kind of dogging up So I was like I was like you don't have to get up coach. So I sat on his lap and he was like what a fuck That's hilarious. Yeah, I went to him a chato camp this year. I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato I love that dude that guy's a fucking legend. Yeah, he is I got invited to Filippa Costa's kind of in a affiliate training with Rafael like Shout out to Rafael. He's a fucking amazing every one of his black belts gave me time like

2:54:08and then Filippa Costa like Just fucking next level and and like it gives me hope as an old guy like I know I'm 55 and I know I want to win the fucking 55 year old bracket But why the fuck do I need to be in the 55 year old bracket? You know what I mean if my two jitsu is good enough I should be able to fight anyone right and that's what gives me hope a fucking carrying on that one day like Because I know all I do is fight these young guys and yeah, sure they beat me right now, but like You know how many times did Helio get crushed right? You know what I'm saying? So like It's the beauty of jujitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation, you know what I mean? So that's kind of where I stand and I'll tell you man anytime someone can fucking put it to me where I'm about to go down I couldn't be fucking happier man. I had this black belt the other day out of nowhere just fucking smash me and like and then the lets me tap he lets me up and then I just got the biggest smile on my face

2:55:10and he was like Looking at me and I was like that was fucking amazing coach I was like you ain't never smash me like that right and he he just kind of looking at me And just fucking tackled him again You know what I mean? Fucking went right back to smashing me, you know what I mean like I just fucking love it man. Yeah, that's the best attitude for learning. Yeah, no better. Well I as a human being I need to learn something every day. I think you're the same way in a lot of ways like I don't care what it is good for you. Yeah, I do too. I think it keeps your brain healthy 100 percent. I think it keeps Alzheimer fucking all that bullshit away. Yeah, I think that's why people get old It's one of the reasons other than your body failing is your mind gets old Yeah, you're not stimulating it. Yeah, for real right John. This is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks I really appreciate it. Yeah, I had a great time. Yeah, thank you, and I can't wait to read your book. So okay I'm gonna get some rounds in the future. Yes, you're healthy. Yes. All right I'd love to get some rounds with you. Yeah, for sure I definitely want to come back look kill Tony last night fucking a man. It's like bucket list

2:56:12You come in the club anytime you want man. I couldn't thank you enough like I know I came here yesterday Not a big deal to me right because like y'all got killed Tony out of this deal like Last night was fucking funny man. This guy told the joke last night the funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life. I don't know if I could say it or not I don't know there was like there was a guy just kind of shorter guy Uh white guy beard and he just read jokes He just said like random jokes always one of the bucket polls. Yeah, oh, okay And then like he said this joke you want to hear sure? Okay This is a fucking funniest thing I heard in a long time Uh, why don't police have turtles as pets Why cuz you can't kneel on their neck I was like oh my fucking god like next level right there Well, listen brother anytime you want to come to club. Thanks. You're welcome

2:57:14Thank you very much being here. Oh man any time it's a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all swag Yeah, hold the evil hat. Yeah. Yeah, well, I got put it back in its box I mean if people want to find you online share for Baghdad.com. Yeah, share for Baghdad SOB tactical either one will get you to me like you just you die You type in share of a Baghdad and a ton of shit of me pops up and someone whoever the public sure is yeah, pop on it Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure that books insane. All right. Yeah, thank you very much brother. Appreciate it All right, bye everybody