Joe Rogan Experience _2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk

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1:00It's fall in Jeep country. And during the drive into fall sales event, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained, like Jeep Wrangler. Confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and Jeep gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand. Get a great deal during the Jeep drive into fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, Jeep and the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCAUS LLC. Joe Rogan, what are you guys checking out? The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day Joe Rogan Park, gas by night. All day. Then? I can see you, give it. Last time you were on, we barely scratched the surface of all the things that we wanted to talk about. So immediately, we're like, we gotta do another one quick because you wanted to talk to about this finks. This finks, yes. We were on, we got into the, well, the labyrinth was kind of the big thing. Labyrinth is nuts. I still haven't been able to get over it. The 40 meter metallic shape,

2:01to attack shape thing. Yeah. That's in the ground. Like, what is that? Well, I hope we'll find out. I mean, I don't know. It's the wheels do turn a little slowly, but the point of that was to try and drive some awareness. Maybe we'll get some sort of angel investor in there to go and look at it and solve the problem, do something. Someone needs to talk to Elon. Yeah, I'm not the guy. I talked to him too much as it is. He's too busy, but someone who can avoid problems. Yeah, he's somewhat or maybe Bezos would like to be the first guy to get in there. Someone has to get in there. You have to figure out what that thing is. That's crazy. This might be one of the biggest mysteries in the entire human civilization record. Yeah, who's the guy? Who's the director that went to the bottom of the off camera? Cameron Cameron. I mean, he looks going places that nobody's gone before. They don't go home and get there. Maybe someone should do it. They just, I don't think enough people know for it. A lot of people know that we're listening to this podcast, but not enough people that would do something, that can do something. You know what I mean? It's like we reach a lot of knuckleheads. We reach a wide variety of people,

3:04but the percentage of people that have the resources to... The updates. Something happened. They have to work something out with the Egyptian government, right? So they have to do something with those dams. Yes. Well, you don't have to... No, I don't think it takes the dams. You would have to remediate the water on the site, at least like somehow box it out, right? You got to drain. You'd have to drain this massive area. Or at least if you were targeted enough, you might be able to drain a smaller area to then excavate in that area. Which probably explained to people that didn't listen to the last podcast. Just a real quick synopsis. Real kinopsis. So the labyrinth, it's, we're talking about the great lost labyrinth of ancient Egypt, which was described by figures like Herodotus, deodorosiculus, plenty of the elder. Figures from antiquity, these authors, and they've described it as being greater in magnificence than the pyramids. Like they had these, just mind-bending descriptions of what this site was. Like multiple levels, 3,000 rooms, you would get lost in it. It had giant courtyards with pillars that all made from... I mean, one guy, I think it was Strabo described the roof as being a single piece of stone,

4:04which I don't think it was, but it's describing those perfect joins that you see in the real megalithic work from Egypt. So it's this giant mystery. We know it's there, and it was kind of lost to time until we found it again, basically. It was discovered, it was always known about, because there were clues about its location. It was always theorized to have been at this place called Hawara, which is near the foam in Egypt. And, you know, Petri went there and dug it up. A Flinders Petri in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and he found massive stone slabs, and he thought he was standing on its foundation, like it'd been quarried and taken away. And rather than that, it turns out he was most likely standing on the roof of like the top layer. It was like 10 meters bottom and ground. It's so, he never got nuts. Quite in. But then in the Madahar expedition happened, I think in the mid, like 2017 or 2015, there was an expedition run by a guy named Louis de Courier in partnership with the Egyptian government. They use ground penetrating radar sonic techniques like well-established subsurface techniques, and they found it.

5:04They found these massive cyclopian walls that were meter thick. It was a labyrinthian structure. It's well verified. It's below the water table level of what's on that site now. So you have water table sort of five meters below the surface. The labyrinth starts at nine, 10 meters. And that was, there's some controversy around that report because it was buried. Like so he found it. They never published the report. It was squashed by Zahee Wasis, as according to Louis de Courier, he threatened him and his team with national security sanctions. If they talked about it, it just was put away. He waited a few years. He finally released the report. It's like holy shit, we found the labyrinth. And then this then spurred some other companies to use some of these new space-based scanning techniques. There's been at least two that have been done very different techniques, but they found the same thing. They found that there is, in fact, a massive underground structure at this place called Hohara. It goes much deeper than what you could reach with those ground penetrating radar and those established techniques. 60, 70 meters below the ground.

6:05There's multiple levels, three or four levels. And they correlate. So one scans a statistical model. Another one is a, that uses the high-frequency photography, along with, I think, seismic data. Very similar to the Doppler tomography work that's being done by the Italians at places like the Geese Plateau now. And they both correlate, yes, there's a big structure, but one of the most interesting facts that came out of this scan was it seems like in this massive central atrium that's one big giant open room, 40, 50 meters long, that connects to all of these levels. There seems to be this unidentified metallic object that's free standing in this room. It's about 40 meters long, and it seems to be tick-tax shaped is what this report said. So it's a fucking UFO. It's a UFO in Egypt. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could you... It's tantalizing. Could you imagine... Do you imagine if they get in there and they really do find a recovered spacecraft? Yeah, then what do we do then? Because if this is a public excavation,

7:05that's the question. We have to bring in the seals. We need to lock that place down. Maybe we need to occupy Egypt just to figure out how to fucking get this done. Occupy, Hawaii, let's just... Yeah, just Hawaii. You'd have to occupy the whole country. You'd have to provide them something, give them money. Whatever you gotta do, like if I was a president, they would be like my number one priority. I mean, yeah, it has the... I think there's been a little bit more of this from Egypt. They, I guess the establishment there, seem a little more willing to engage in some of the... The mystery, I genuinely do think that discoveries like these can only help and boost tourists, like it's gonna only help is to bring people in. It will bring way more. Could you imagine if they actually figured out what to drain all the water out of the labyrinth? They give you a tour and show you the spaceship. How much you pay in to see this spaceship. Bro, I'm paying a ton of money to go see that spaceship. That's a special permission. Like that's the way we do. They're very good at that. There's a lot of places you can now go in Egypt that are these special permissions. It's thousands of dollars, but...

8:06They will make sure. Yeah. They could charge like 10 grand. They could charge like a lot of money just to go look at the spaceship. Might, yeah. Might be like Mecca. Like Mecca for UFO dorks. It would be insane. To see depends what... Who knows what the guy did say too. It didn't seem like any metal that he'd seen before. Like he couldn't identify what type of metal it was. Cause it's alien. Right, it's element one for sure. For sure. It's alien. It's made out of same stuff that comments made out of. It's the AI Atlas. Oh yeah, three AI Atlas. The thing that's off-gassing some nickel... Nickel alloy or something. It's a giant nickel the size of Manhattan. It's, yes. It's jetting towards the sun. Although they didn't NASA came... They think they released their images, I think recently. There's some images that came out and said, oh, the comments doing this and doing that. Doing a lot of weird stuff. But it definitely seems to be a comment. Unless you ask Avi Loeb. And he's like, anything can be a spaceship. It's got a point. It's got a point. He does. We don't know what one would look like. We've not seen.

9:07Yeah. I mean, it's a small sample size as it is for interstellar object. Right? Yeah. We have three to compare. But two of them have been really fucking weird. I think the point we're getting at is, and this is the point of all these conversations, is that there's some stuff that is yet to be discovered that has previously been discovered that might be like... It might blow the damn down on all this stuff to the point where we're like, okay. Whatever you think happened here, a lot more happened. And it seems way crazier. If the stuff underneath the Giza Plateau was correct, which is like, what? And if the labyrinth, if they can show you that this not only was Herodidus depicting an actual place, but we can show it to you and it's preserved. It's been under the water for 50 years. Yeah. It would be amazing. And yes, I think some of these things would knock down... Everything. It's a house of cards, right? I think there are... This is Ashley Akinetti from the Almost Amos Podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying, we need to get away, but you never actually

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11:11drive with the most awarded SUV ever, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and Jeep Gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand, get a great deal during the Jeep Drive into fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, even the Jeep Grill or Registered trademarts of FCAUS LLC. Enjoy big savings with Red Hot Deals at Vons and Albertsons. This week at Vons and Albertsons, baby back pork ribs are 2.99 per pound with membership where applicable limit three racks. And ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 2.99 with digital coupon. Plus personal seedless watermelons or cantaloupe are 1.99 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. There are elements of that that are obvious, but people can explore them and it starts to knock down the house of Cases, how people end up with this.

12:12Just looking at the contradictions in Ancient Egypt, but there are other examples of what I would say, like these things like the Matterhara Expedition that have been discovered, but then sort of covered up and kept secret. And a lot of them have to do with, you have the same tie-in with these ancient stories and accounts from history, not just from the Roman and Greek historians, but also the Arab historians like Al Masudi, for example, the Herodotus of the Arabs they called him. He talked about tales of these tunnels and chambers beneath the Sphinx that there were the Rooons beneath the Sphinx that then led out to three different tunnels. You have a number of other Arab historians from his far back as 600 AD that have stories of getting into the pyramids and then getting lost in tunnels and chambers beneath them. Geez. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of these, you hear these stories of the Hall of Records, right? People like Edgar Casey, the American psychic in the 1940s, who, you know, he would,

13:13if you heard of Edgar Casey, he must have. So he would fall into these translike states and he'd have these visions, he'd call like the sleeping prophet, they would call him, or he's like one of the Americans psychic. And he wasn't just about things around Egypt, he did prophesize and talk about locations for three Halls of Records, which were these Atlantean cations of information like a pre-Veluvian civilization. He did call it Atlantis. But he would also have these predictions about the stock market and a lot of people made a lot of money based on his predictions and that led to the... He was really good at it? Yeah, yeah. So apparently he went, I mean, whether he was... I don't know, I mean, I have... Because that's always the question when it comes to like psychic... So if you were a real psychic, why wouldn't you make all the money in the world from the stock market? It did happen. There was a lot of people made a lot of money and he did evidently too as well. And so that led to the formation of something called the Edgar Casey Foundation, the ARE, the Association for Research and Enlightenment is the name of them. They're still going strong today. And they've been looking to try and find his halls of records and they've been trying

14:20to verify the Casey's predictions. One in particular that they've been chasing down is the famous hall of records, which he said was beneath the halls of the Sphinx. So there's not... The stories of this hall of records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like, I mean, just not just the Ares, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the pyramids. But there was some work down that happened in recent times like in the 1990s. Well, it's been... There's been a search going on since the early 70s that the Ares have been involved in. And a lot of this is quite secretive. None of it. A lot of this has never really come to light. But there's some... Until very recently, in fact, there's been some footage that came up that showed that there are, in fact, tunnels beneath the Sphinx that may well have been explored. We're not quite sure. But it's an interesting story. So it does involve Mark Lainer and Zaheeh Was, who are the, you know, authoritative figures involved in Egypt. Are they bottlenecking this as well?

15:22Well, do I have to go give them a hug? Maybe. Come on, guys. Join us. Allegedly. We'll blow you up. We'll make you like so much more popular. We'll help. We'll give you more tourism. That's... And that's... I think the current guys that have been running the department of antiquities are embracing a little bit of that idea, but I do think there's been a little bit of gatekeeping that's happened in this generational thing. I agree. You know, and I think when you are an academic or you are a person that's in a position of power like Zaheeh is, and you've been running things for so long, and this new thing comes along, it's very threatening, you know, and when there's a lot of movement and momentum behind it, it's very threatening. But that thing will just embrace you. If you say, oh my goodness, look what we've learned. We've learned more new, amazing things about, wait for it, Egyptians. Yes. Because the same people, it's just older. It is older versions. Like, this is why it's so dumb. It's like, you're just... You are only allowing part of the narrative to go through about how magnificent this culture

16:24is. It's already the most magnificent culture in human civilization. In terms of history, when we look at it, nothing is anything like Egypt. It's crazy. No, and it would imagine it's bigger and crazier. It would just... It richer in a longer history in this place. It's still... It's the most magical place in the world. Yeah. It is unfortunate. I was just talking about this yesterday, in fact. The nature of establishment being to resist change, right? It's unfortunate that the... And control. Control and to resist change. And it's... A maintained control, not lose control. That was the fear. Right. The fear is, if I am a self-professed expert with an institution behind me with a nice name. And then all of a sudden some fucking asshole with an Australian accent comes along. It comes along with a tech guy who becomes a YouTuber because he watched some assholes podcast when he was younger. Yep, pretty much. That's it. That's true. But it's you and Graham and Jimmy Corsetti and all these other amazing people. And you guys are... You're showing the world that there's another side to a lot of these stories and it's

17:28a legitimate side. It's not just a legitimate... It's an unfathomable side. And you're looking at some of the stuff like ball back, you're looking at those stones. There's unfathomable things that no one is saying they're unfathomable. No one's saying we don't know. Everyone is saying don't worry about it, we got it all figured out. That's crazy. That's... I agree. I think embracing them and I think I've made this point before. But it's the nature of the discourse that's changed that has forced I think a stronger reaction from the establishment. Yeah. The general public views things differently. Well, the general public's involved in the discussion now. If you go back more than 60, 70 years, I mean, general public didn't have access to this information. They were... I mean, these discussions only happened in societies and in universities. But with the rise of... Firstly, alternative authors and then the internet. Now everybody's got a chance to have a platform and a set of ears to hear this information. And it becomes more popular, guys, like you have had a huge impact on the popularity of

18:32these topics. And that's what I think is threatening. Well, I think they've always been popular. The problem is they haven't been legitimized. Right. Like these ideas have always been popular. It's just nobody gets... It's like there's a food that you want that no one's serving. You know what I mean? That's what it's like. It's not like it wasn't popular. Yeah. Like I'm not unique in my interest in ancient Egypt or in ancient civilizations. There's everybody... Look at when they ask men, like what do you think about ancient Rome? Yeah. Guys think about ancient Rome all the time. It's just a normal part of being a person that lives in a current civilization, wondering what it was like in the past. And then when you see something like Egypt, you're like, none of this makes sense. No. There's massive contradictions. And I think... It seems so old. Well, it does. And I think what's made this... Well, there's called it alternative perspective. Much more possible, even plausible is all of the adjacent fields of science and work that is basically providing a plausible context for these ideas that there was an ancient

19:35lost civilization that is responsible for the roots of some of the things we see in these civilizations, responsible for some of the technological enigmas that we find on these sites. And that... This is all stuff that's happened in recent years in adjacent fields of science, things like the extension of the human timeline, the evidence for severe erosion on these sites, our understanding of climate history and... The extension of capitalism. The timeline is huge. That's huge. Because, you know, we were just Jesse Michaels and I were just having a conversation about this. I was like, imagine if you would not lose any cognitive abilities, no decline at all, and modern science figured out a way to let you live a thousand years. Imagine if you're a person who's working on material sciences and you're doing like 3D printing, you get to live a thousand years and you're a researcher and you still show up at work every day for a thousand years or ten thousand years. That sounds nuts, but it doesn't. Because if you can extend life, you can extend life for a very prolonged, especially with gene editing and a lot of the other crazy, who knows if they already figured that out

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22:38different world. And I'm thinking this is exactly what I needed. So just go to resort pass.com, choose your resort, choose your day, luxury resort day passes start at just $1,500. Once you post your daycation, people are going to ask where you are. Go to resort pass.com slash almost famous and use the promo code almost famous to get $20 off when you spend $100. That's code almost famous at resort pass.com slash almost famous. It's fall in Jeep country and during the drive into fall sales event, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained like Jeep Wrangler, confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and freedom that can't be denied, with the open air freedom and Jeep gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand. Get a great deal during the Jeep drive into fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, cheap and the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCAUS LLC. Enjoy big savings with Red Hot Deals at Vons and Albertsons.

23:40This week at Vons and Albertsons, baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership where applicable limit three racks and ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless watermelons or cantaloupe are 199 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. I mean, there seems to be some evidence that they might have because I mean- What about the Sumerian Kings list? Well, this is a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, not just them, but almost every civilization that talks about even the Bible. It talks about pre-deluvian or pre-flood civilizations often talks about people living for hundreds of years. If not longer than that, thousands of years. You have an Egyptian's Kings list that does the same thing, but even in the Bible, you know it was 600, 600, right? So you have, yeah, I think something like that. You have many examples of these what they would describe as pre-categorism or pre-flood

24:42civilizations that where people live for a long time. But you just, I mean, not just, there's an extension of individual human timeline, but we also know that there's an extension of the human, like how long humans have been here. Right. Right? Because that's going back further and further all the time. We have skulls and fossil record evidence now where it's just slightly more than 300,000 years genetic and studies into teeth morphology make the possibility open to whatever, 7,800,000 years there was a skull found. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that was more, I think that's more of a homo sapient clay to skull. So it's like it may not be homo sapient exactly us. It might be a variety, but that's a whole other aspect on this too is that where the last humans left, right? There were other types of humans that we know live for in some cases a couple million years that had similar, like even bigger brain sizes than we did. We don't really know what their capabilities were. We only can work with ourselves. And then you combine that lengthening of time of like, okay, you have an intelligent social

25:46species that has the ability to build on knowledge of your, you know, your ancestors. So one guy spends his life making the spear. The next guy spends his life perfecting how to throw it. Then it's just, we have this unique ability to stand on this knowledge that's passed down from our direct ancestors and therefore build up our capability and inevitably leads towards civilization. And if you stress that way back in time and now you look at things like the climate history and the history of cataclysm on this planet, this possibility that this may, these civilizations may have arisen and then been completely destroyed at some point over the last several hundred thousand years, you can't just dismiss that. There's a strong possibility that it's just, it's possible. And in fact, there seems to be a lot of other contextual evidence to support it in origin tales, in stories, in the echoes of sacred geometry and advanced mathematics and knowledge of the cosmos and also planetary dimensions and geodetic data, all this stuff that's encoded

26:52into these monuments and into these stories and tales that we can't explain how these so-called primitive civilizations like the Egyptians or the Samarians knew this information yet it's there and it's encoded in their monuments and in their data. But we can't explain, even the Greeks, you can't explain the precision of some of the aspects of things like the pyramids. But yeah, I mean, you just, and again, with the cataclysm that we know have happened, the young address just being the most recent. But if you go back several hundred thousand years, you have these massive, you know, interglacial periods and glacial maximum periods, right, that these cycles that we go through, where you have this big glaciation build up and then you have just, you know, these, what must have been catastrophic floods and then interglacial periods. In fact, there was a, a period called the Eolean period, it was about a hundred and twenty thousand years ago, that was very much like the holocene that we're in today. In fact, it lasted longer than the holocene has currently lasted. We've been in the holocene maybe ten thousand years, ten eleven thousand years.

27:56I think the Eolean period was more than fifteen to twenty thousand years where it was stable weather. Sea levels were like three, four meters higher than where they are today, but it wasn't like this, it wasn't like the Pleistus, it wasn't like the height of, you know, a glacial maximum where it's a difficult place to live. It was a calm period. I mean, the only reason our civilization is here today is because of the nice weather of the holocene, right? We have warm weather. We haven't had like massive catastrophes that have been like, you know, extinction level events kind of thing to get in our way and knock us back to the stone age. There was a similar period like that that lasted longer than we've been in this nice period, about a hundred and twenty thousand years ago. And if you consider after that the cycles of glaciation and flooding, then particularly the younger drys, they'd be just almost nothing left. It's just this, the stone in places that survived what happened afterwards. So I do, like my range of possibilities for, okay, when did these artifacts originate?

28:57Like when did some of this architecture originally be built? It's not to me just 15,000 years ago. It could be a hundred, 200,000 years or even more. And again, more contextual evidence to support that is things like the erosion that we can see on some of these sites. One of the my favorite topics in the last couple of years has been looking at the erosion on the Giza Plateau. Yeah, I wanted to bring that up. And of some of the big monuments, in particular, like the whole middle pyramid complex on the Giza Plateau. Let's show some of the images that you used in some of your videos because it's pretty, it's pretty fascinating when you look at it. It's kind of undeniable. It is. And what's fun about this is, too, is that we don't have to guess, right? We know how long it takes. We studies have been done about like limestone erosion. There's almost an endless number of conveniently dated limestone slabs all around the world. They're tombstones in cemeteries, right? So you can, they get dated, they get cut, they get inscribed with the date when it was put up.

29:58And then so you can measure it and you can come back over whatever decades and measure erosion. And so how long does it take for this face of this limestone erosion to, to recede? This is the nutty stuff. Yeah. And because we're assuming that unless something happened to the outside of that, this was at one point in time flat and smooth. 100% because there are still blocks that are protected. So a lot of this has been rebuilt. This is tricky to see. So see, you can actually see that the less eroded sections are actually modern restorations because this is so eroded that it's falling apart. Right. And this isn't even the exterior of this structure. This is the interior core machinery. All of this was also, for God knows how many thousands of years encased in granite. It also points to a trend, points to a pattern that when human beings find ancient things, they do renovations try to keep them up. Yeah. Which is one of the things that's been, you know, over and over and over again. We've talked about that. Yeah. There's so many structures that seem like there's multiple timelines working on the same exact ground.

31:00It is 100% of human tendency to renovate and restore all of these, to reuse these sites. Even on the gross way, like what they do with the spinks, like the pause, that's gross. It is. But it's, we're renovating it and restoring it to use it as a tourist attraction. Like the Romans renovated and restored it to use as a ceremonial center. But it's a very shitty version of the original. I agree. Yeah, I agree. And there's a lot of assumptions. You're assuming you knew the form of it. You're making your own form over the feet. I have a problem. Yes, that was one of my problems with they, they were talking about restoring the middle pyramid, like the third pyramid, like the Mankara pyramid, the small one. Yeah. But it has these granite casing stones right in the lights of the top four or five courses are still there. But it was at least 15, 16 courses of granite. And there's all this granite and this massive granite blocks and rubble. And the staff of Wasira here was at the time the head of the department of antiquities was talking about, we're going to rebuild it. We're going to put it back together. And I know this and I'm like, please no, because what an asshole.

32:01Well, he did something cool, which was he excavated in front of it. He did show that the courses keep going down. But then he's like, we're going to restore it. I'm like, dude, that would use concrete. It would be a facsimile of what it wants. Is he still around? No, he actually, because he said that there was a lot of international outcry for that very reason. And then in fact, the government formed a tribunal to figure out what to do. The tribunal was headed by a he was and he lost his job. So he's not in that. Yeah, that's not happening. It's not happening. That's crazy. It wants to see the restored pyramid. I'm not seeing what's left. Yes. Well, we can use our imaginations to they are restoring a lot of that. I don't necessarily agree with this either. Things that are actively falling apart short, you need to buttress on like a lot of this wall. So this is part of the middle pyramid complex at Giza. And there's a lot of blocks like this. There are limestone blocks that are 11, 12 meters long, like four meters wide, you know, two, 300 tons that were stacked up on top of each other. And they eroded so greatly on the inside that they've actually fallen over at some point

33:06in antiquity, they've fallen off. And so they are trying to buttress and support things that are going to fall. I'm off for that. But I mean, there's a lot, they're just the amount of erosion that it takes for that to happen to blocks like this of this new, um, new, malitic limestone, which is a very hard form of limestone full of fossils. And it's, it's, you're talking like two, three feet in some places of erosion of limestone. And if you look at the studies that have been done into like limestone erosion rates and there's been several, they've studied them in coastal wave action environments where it's like getting battered by ways. They put in rivers, you know, they put limestone cubes on the top of one of a governmental buildings in DC and left there and studied it over decades and they're like, okay, it's tiny amounts. But in a normal weathering environment, right, this is assuming a lot more rainfall than what happens in Egypt, which gets very little rainfall, by the way. The place like Washington DC or, uh, somewhere where you get like 40, 40 inches of rainy

34:07years, something like that, it would take just normal weathering erosion to do two feet of a, two feet of, of erosion like this more than a hundred thousand years. And so, and that's, I think you can extend that because if, if, well, the thing is maybe there was more rainfall here at some point, we know there was, after, since about 4,000 DC, the African humid period was, was, was in place. That's another big, I think, tell, uh, for, for what happened, particularly on the Giza Plateau and, and the sites in Egypt, uh, in that, you know, but one of the things that was mystified me about the, the sphinx is like, this is actually like, you know, from the almost famous podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying, we need to get away, but you never actually plan anything. That was us until we did something fun and spontaneous. We went to resort pass.com. There are hundreds of hotel resorts, pools and spots and private beaches that you can enjoy. You can spend the day at a luxury resort, pool, spa, massage without booking an overnight

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37:12Caffer. That's right. And then it wasn't there in inscription that were coffers said that if he could uncover this thing, he would be the Pharaoh. This is right. It's actually thought most as the fourth. That's called a there's a still in front of the in the chest in there in this thing. So it's the fourth about thousand years later. But so he was one that was right if he uncovered. So we knew it was buried in sand during the domestic edges. That was what I was going to get to. So that's so that during that time no erosion. Well, this is a whole yes. So there's a whole other. So it's protected. Right. So this is another big issue with the wind and sand erosion. When you talk specifically about this finks enclosure, I mean, this is this is one of the big controversial. I mean, where is the big one? The face is in a road. Exactly. And if it's wind and sand, that's the only thing that's exposed. And that's not as a road. It's been one of my major points for a long time. It is to be fair, it is the yard angle that the sedimentary layers of limestone, it is a slightly harder form of limestone. But still you'll talk in thousands and thousands of years where that the only thing above the

38:17sand level was basically the face. And it's then and they explain all of this deep erosion on the body of the sphinx and the sphinx enclosure to wind and sand. I know obviously Robert Shock is a different interpretation. But yes, you would see erosion on that. You just don't. I think the most plausible explanation for that sphinx is that yes, the face was re-carved in the dynastic period. Probably could have been by Kaffra. Well, actually, may well have been before that as well because there's other evidence that suggests that this finks was already buried in sand at his time. Wow. The attribution to Kaffra comes from two main sources. One is its position. So where this finks is, you have the middle pyramid. You have the cause way that runs down and you have the middle pyramid. You have the pyramid temple, the complex where we were seeing that erosion. You have this massive cause way that runs down to then the valley temple, which is this very famous massive megalithic structure. And right next to the valley temple is the sphinx. And in front of that is the sphinx temple. So they sort of attribute it and make it well.

39:19It's part of the middle pyramid complex. The other attribution comes from what's been written on that dream stelae between the legs of the sphinx at its chest. It does say Kaffra on there, but there's a lot of, it's a controversial statement to say that that means Kaffra built it. There were several Egyptologists who had different, and this is back in the early 1900s. They had different interpretations for what that said. What they believe it said was Kaffra was trying to do what his ancestors had done before and all that Thutmosis was trying to do what his ancestors had done before. And Kaffra is mentioned there, in terms of dig it out of the sand and become king. Like excavate it from the sand. That's the move that everybody goes through. Well, it's also, I think it's proper. It could be a great explanation for that dream stelae. It could also just be like governmental propaganda, right? So he could be, you could put that in there and say, see, I'm divinely ordained to be king because I dug this out of the sand. It could be just the interest. Yeah, just the interest of keeping this standalone.

40:21Please explain to people the whole deal with Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University and the water erosion. Yes. I know. And if you've heard this before, I'm sorry, I just want it for people that are like, what? The water erosion that appears to be thousands of years of rain. Yeah, it's actually good background context because it does apply to not only this thing, so it's the most famous example, I think, and well known example of a, of again, an adjacent field of science coming in and challenging some of the doctrine that's been around Egyptology. But it was actually swallowed a little bit. Originally, I think proposed that his work was followed up by John Anthony West who then brought Dr. Robert Schock, who's a professor of geology at Boston University to the Sphinx. This was, I believe the late 80s, early 90s. And he went and looked at the erosional path. So this thing sits inside an enclosure. It's carved from bedrock. So it was originally what you'd call a yardang, which is like a limestone outcropping. And they, so they cut, they cut down in this big enclosure and they cut the floor and then they sort of shaped the Sphinx from this natural outcropping of bedrock.

41:25So you had, and we know this because the destruction next to the Sphinx, or in front of it, called the Sphinx Temple, is actually, you can line up the sedimentary layers of the blocks that are in there from the Sphinx enclosures. So we know that the blocks taken from here. So this is all predictably sort of cut walls and the Sphinx would have been nicely finished when it was. And he looked at these patterns. If you go there today, I think I have pictures of the walls of the Sphinx enclosure in there. And it's just these deeply eroded vertical channels. And the Sphinx bodies harder to tell because it's been restored so many times. The ancient Egyptians restored it. The Romans restored it. We restored it a couple different times. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. But the nice thing is the walls of the enclosure really haven't been touched. So you can see the natural erosive patterns. And he looked at that and went, that's rainfall erosion. But not just some rainfall erosion, literally the result of thousands of years. It's the only way you would get these patterns in the stone is thousands of years of rainfall erosion. Obviously, gears are really, really dry.

42:25I mean, Egypt's a really dry place these days. You have to go back to time periods pre-4,000 BC when the Sahara was a savannah. It was grasslands with lake basins and river systems. And it had a lot more rain. You didn't have this annual flood cycle that you have now. It was like a lot more rainfall. It was much more verdant and green. The geese plateau would have been green. Which makes sense. That's why they would settle there in the first place. Exactly. Yeah, when they didn't build in a desert, I mean, you wouldn't because it would fill up a sand. It also makes sense why they would flourish because they had so much resources because it was like so green and fertile. Right. Probably had plenty of plants, plenty of animals. There's a really other good point associated with that that I wanted to bring up. But first, just to finish on the Sphinx erosion. When Shock came out and said this, he really thought he was moving the story forward. He took it to an archaeological conference and they literally laughed him out of the room. They said, this is ridiculous.

43:27Where are the potshards? I think Mark Lanners comment saying, where's the evidence that something's at least 12,000 years old. Marking them. He got a good taste of the, I guess, the old boy network of the archaeologists on that day. But he's being very conservative in that dating also of saying, well, 12,000 years, it could well be tens of thousands of years. In fact, it seems more likely to me based on the erosional evidence that we see not only in the Sphinx enclosure, but elsewhere on the Giza Plateau. There's many places where you see just a huge amount of erosion that you can't really explain within the timelines and the climate of Dynastic Egypt as we know it from roughly 3000 BC till even now, because it's still eroding, right? But yeah, it could be vastly more ancient. I actually think there's something else that came out. Was it the earlier this year? I think it was much earlier this year or maybe late last year, but there was a study done

44:28that showed that during the African humid period, so this period of time before the dessert certification of Egypt, the Sahara becoming a desert, when it was green and there was more consistent rainfall, there was a lot more water in the Nile as we call it and it had different channels. One of the things they discovered was that there was a branch of the river Nile, and it's called the Aramat branch. And it was in places up to a kilometer, most of it mile wide, so it was quite a extensive branch, but it turns out that all of these valley temples on all of these pyramid sites, Dasha, or it's the Sahara, Abyssa, Abigrab, Geezah, all of those valley temples were built on the shores of this extinct branch of the Nile. So it's like pyramid, you know, pyramids, when you look at a pyramid, it's not just a pyramid, there's a whole complex associated with it, there's a temple, there's a structure at the pyramid, there's a causeway, there's what they call valley temples down. And it's like, these were all built on the shorelines of this branch of the Nile that

45:32went basically disappeared 4,000 somewhere between 4,000 and 3,500 BC, but it was in place for thousands and thousands of years before that. And today, if you go there and they say, well, you know, the valley temple, yep, they would ship the stones from Asswan and it'd be like three months of the year, it would flood enough where you can get a boat in them in, I've seen pictures, there are pictures of when that flood happened before they built the dam and stopped that process. And it's, in some years, it's a puddle, like it's, there's not, I mean, you're talking about boats that were carrying hundreds of tons of granite. And only in a three month period of year, can you get them in there? There's many, there were been many years where there's not even remotely enough water to get it anywhere near the valley temple. I don't think they even use boats. Oh, no, I don't either. I mean, it sounds crazy to say, but I think they had a technology that we haven't even begun to mess with yet. This is Ashley Akinetti from the almost famous podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying, we need to get away, but you never actually plan anything. That was us until we did something fun and spontaneous.

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48:41There's a statue. I mean, there's several of these thousand plus ton statues. Half a dozen of them, they get remnants of them. But there was one that was moved 1000 kilometers. Like 1000 kilometers and it would have been, it was a single piece granite statue, easily a 1000 tons. Show that image, Jamie, if you would please. I think it's giant objects in there or something. And this is Tannis in the Delta, asked one down here at the quarry. I mean, downstream on the, no, there's another example of the one at Karnak that's the whole shoulder and arm of a composite quartzite. Again, giant. It's size of the Statue of Liberty basically, like single piece granite solid statue. I mean, there's all these pieces. That's a small one. Which is insane. That's that. Yeah, look at the people in the background and say that's a small one. Yeah, it's only 200 tons. I mean, it's 250 maybe. It's not. You have 10 times almost. That's the size. The crazy thing is also how beautiful it is.

49:41Oh, how symmetrical it is. The workmanship on these is astonishing. And you can still feel like this is one of the signs, I think, when you get to the finishing on some of these statues, that's a, yeah, that's a joint kneecap. There's one with an arm and a shoulder sort of poking out that's a really good example. And that's bellback. Yeah. The point is when you, when you talk about how beautiful that like how that one that's lying down, Jamie, there's a one, the back one, a couple that one. Yeah. The finishing on that. That's how incredible you see as nipple. You see all the, you know what I mean? Thousands of years later, you see the detail on the head dress. You see, oh, and then you have to realize like this was done with people that didn't have steel. Yeah. And you could supposedly, right? Right. I mean, they, yeah, later periods, like in the new kingdom, they had some more iron, not necessarily steel. But you know, you know something else here, like see that cartouche. See how poor that is relative to the finishing of the face and the chest.

50:43So this is the other thing that happened. This is why no one sort of like you don't get archaeologists saying, well, there's statues. We don't know who made it. We know who made it because they put their name on this. That is literally Ramsey's the second cartouche right there. I'll recognize it anyway. But that's awesome that you recognize that. If you come to Egypt, you'll recognize it too. It's so cool. He was, he was, he called Ramsey's the second, the great usurper. Because he put his name on everything. And he counted in deep like this. So he would have it be him and his father said he the first and his son, Marron Petard, they were all, they were all in that business of re-batching the sum of this stuff. So they would find all things and they would put their name on it. They would claim it for themselves. I think it's the nature of, I mean, during that period in the new kingdom, in the 19th dynasty, you know, it's all I did this on me. Yeah. Quite of dynastic Egyptians, Egypt's power and wealth. So they had all of this, I think, hubris and arrogance to make themselves one of the gods.

51:47And it's one of the, I think, there's, these statues, there's a lot to unpack in these. Because I also happen to think that when you look at these massive statues, you can't really explain with the capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians. I think it also explains their iconography. Because if they inherited these giant statues, like it's those other gods, like you're looking at this, imagine the statue, the size of the statue of Liberty standing out in the desert and it's just sitting there looking at you with this, this, this face. And the craftsmanship on these are amazing. Kind of see it here. See how the eyeballs are like tilted down almost? And it looks like a smile on the face from yet. But when you, it's perspective, when, when you stand beneath them and you look up at them, they're looking at you. And it's not so much, it's not a smile. It's just like a straight line. It looks straight. They've built, they've shaped these faces for perspective as if you're viewing them from the ground. They're absolutely incredible. And there's also been studies done on some of these to show the faces are pretty much perfectly symmetrical. Again, that's crazy.

52:47Not something that you can achieve or not something that's done in modern artwork, the perfect symmetry. That's not a, it's not even a characteristic of a human face. Like we, aren't like that. Our nostrils are different sizes and whatever. But because we're hybrids. We could be. We're imperfect, we're imperfect beings, Joe. I think they made us, I think they made us. I think something came here from somewhere else or something was already here. And intervention theory did something with lower hominids. Have you read Lloyd Pies' work? I've heard of it, but I haven't read any of this. Everything you're thinking now is wrong. One lecture, I hit Rest in Peace, Lloyd. He was in there some interesting genetic evidence that I think suggests that as a possibility. Our chromosomal difference between us and other mammals of our type. Almost like we've had the tellurides have been attached. We've been genetically engineered. We've had breeding talks about that. Yeah, we have some real strange characteristics for being on this planet. Like we dive exposure at 80 degrees in the shade.

53:51We can't look at the sun. They've seen dogs, they've got a dog stare at the sun like this. You're like, what are you doing? I'm fine. Why can't you do that? I can't even see it. No, we don't have no benefit of the knowledge vision. Yeah, it's interesting also when they look at all these other versions of humans that they find, almost all of them were more durable. Oh, broomsticks to ax handles, durable. Like it's multiple gaps of... But isn't that kind of in the Bible? Doesn't the Bible say the meek shell and hair? Well, where the meek comes to like... I think where the meek. Yeah, we're just the meekest maybe. We're the meenest. We're the meenest and the trickiest because we had to be, which is like all animals. When you have to... You're small. Like hyenas are fucking ruthless. The reason why they're ruthless is because lions are bigger. They had to figure it out. You know, they had to just be fucking mean and nasty. And I think we probably wiped out or interbred with everything that wasn't us. Yeah, that's a wrap. Sorry. Sorry, your big bones don't work on arrows. Yes. But he didn't figure out catapults yet.

54:52Real attacks. Yeah. Real attacks, technology. I mean, I think that's also probably one of the reasons why we're so obsessed with making better stuff, including weapons. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there is... I don't rule out the... I mean, personally, in my opinion, I think there's a... Either via pancermia or... This is Ashley Akinati from the almost famous podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying, we need to get away. You never actually plan anything. That was us until we did something fun and spontaneous. We went to resortpass.com. There are hundreds of hotel resorts, pools and spots and private beaches that you can enjoy. You can spend the day at a luxury resort, pool, spa, massage, without booking an overnight stay. And listen, I may have only been like 15 minutes from home, but it felt like it was a whole different world. And I'm thinking, this is exactly what I needed. So just go to resortpass.com, choose your resort, choose your day, luxury, resort, day passes,

55:57start at just $25. Once you post your daycation, people are going to ask where you are. Go to resortpass.com, slash almost famous and use the promo code almost famous to get $20 off when you spend $100. That's code almost famous at resortpass.com slash almost famous. It's fall in Jeep country and during the driving to fall sales event, get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained, like Jeep Wrangler, confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and freedom that can't be denied, with the open air freedom and Jeep Gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand, get a great deal during the Jeep driving to fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand, cheap in the Jeep Grill or Registered Trademarks of FCAUS LLC. Enjoy big savings with Red Hot Deals at Vons and Albertsons! Next week at Vons and Albertsons, Baby Back Pork Ribs are 2.99 per pound with membership where applicable limit three racks. And ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 2.99 with digital coupon.

56:59Plus personal seedless watermelons or cantaloupe are 1.99 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. There's a huge mystery as to both our species and how life itself kicked off. Even pan sperms are kicking the can down the road. How does DNA happen? Because it's one of the most interesting things to me is DNA as a technology has never changed. So from single-cell organisms right down through to us, the way life is expressed as a technology to DNA and how it expresses life has changed, but DNA I don't think has changed. It's like this one way that life expresses itself and how it forms is the actual origins of life. It's DOS. It's DOS. It's in a hospital, human operating system. Life-loss life operating system.

58:00What is your take on those Tridactol mummy? I don't know. I think there's... I would suggest you Michael's episode on it. I've seen some of it. I've seen some of it. Yes. I've seen the scans. I've seen all the information. I don't want to get tricked. But Jesse said that seeing them in person, I just talked to him about it. He said it was otherworldly. He said it was incredibly strange. Very surreal seeing them in person because it really does feel like it's a different species. Like you're looking at some different species. My take on that stuff is honestly, it's like sure. It's eye to me. The whole alien... Other life in the universe was said all the... I mean, it's a mathematical certainty. I just... The Kepler mission showed it. It's a mathematical certainty that life has to exist in other places on the planet. It's up to you. In some form. But then you multiply that out across the span of space and time.

59:04Is it possible that we're being... Is there something to these phenomena? Yes. I think so. It doesn't... I'm skeptical that we'll ever really... I hope maybe my lifetime will know. But I'm... Would it change what I'm doing if we had that realization? Not particularly, I don't think. It's just like... Well, it'll be part of the Galactic Federation. I'd be like, oh, that's cool. I think it'll give additional perspective. Like let's just... Let's go way out there and put that fucking tinfoil hat on tight. If they open up the labyrinth. They figure out a way to drain the water. And they do find out that that 40 meter long metallic thing is something from another place. In a big dimensional form. Something from another place. Or maybe break up civilization. There's a lot of people that think that there were... Like there's us and then there's Neanderthals. And then there's... Okay. They all coexist at one point in time. What if this thing coexisted with us as well? And this is a different version of what we will eventually be. It's like, let's imagine human beings we maintain a presence on this earth for the next

1:00:1030 million years. Let's just imagine that. Could be crazy. But it's happened before with crocodiles. If we did, what would chimpanzees be like 30 million years from now? Evolution wouldn't stop. Right. It's not going to stop. They're already using tools. There's speculation. I mean, there's various scientists that believe that you can make an argument that many primates are in the Stone Age. Yeah. That they've entered into the Stone Age. So let's assume that this keeps moving in that general direction without our intervention, which I'm assuming some foreign countries probably would engage in that. And one of them might be America. Yeah. It does secretly. Like if we're doing this gain of function research on viruses that wind up killing a million people, you don't think that we're going to... But there's some sort of... Like, there was talk during the... I believe it was World War II where Russia was... There was talk of some sort of a hybrid between a human being and a chimpanzee trying to

1:01:11devise that for soldiers. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Real. Right? That's real. Yeah. There's some very strange and interesting experiments that happen in here. So what if those little fuckers... Keep going. Those little fuckers are like the OGs. Like they're us like a million years from now and what we... You know, the chimps are a million years later. Right. That's what we are right now currently. They are what we're going to be. Yeah. And then they went and fuck it. We're going in the ocean. Right. Well, fuck. Right. Yes. That's a possibility. In fact, to break away civilization concepts, not a new one. No. Like there are a lot of ancient cultures looked at places like even the Moon. Because as a refuge, they would call it a refuge. Like that's a whole other theory. Like what's going on with the Moon? Is there something happening up there? Was there something that happened with it in the past? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's to me, the whole... It's all of these things are completely plausible.

1:02:11Like I just... I don't... I tried to act all of the... Yeah. I mean, the UFO phenomena. I mean, this could have been going on for a long, long time. I wouldn't... I mean, I certainly would include some sort of otherworldly craft as potentially one of the explanations for what that thing is beneath the ground at the labyrinth. Well, even if it's not anotherworldly craft, whatever the fuck was going on where someone could make a 40-meter-long metallic thing, thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, 40 meters is a half of a damn football field. Yeah, it's big. That's big. And stick it underground for some reason, right? In a corridor or in a huge atrium? Okay. Yeah. Like, what all bets are off? What those Italian scientists are saying is underneath the Giza Plateau? All bets are off. You're looking at something that is like as kooky as the pyramids are, that's the tip of the iceberg. True. Yeah, and that's why I wanted to... The labyrinth was so interesting because, you know, that... That...

1:03:11That announcements around what they... You know, 800-meter shafts and massive cubes, kilometers deep under the plateau is... It kind of came out of nowhere, but there are these accounts for these other places like the labyrinth where there's some, like, historical legitimacy to them, like there's been accounts of them. Although, you know, over time, what they're talking about beneath the Giza Plateau, maybe not to the full extent of what they're saying, I'm still having trouble with that, but there's certainly a lot more... We know there's a lot more down there, right? We, at least the public, has never discovered. We know that there are... So, underneath the bottom of the Asara shaft, for example, we know that there are further tunnels that go off from there that go underneath it, the Asara shaft. For people who don't know, it's one of the... It's like a... There's three passage, like three rooms and it goes down a little over 100 feet or so. Beneath the ground, beneath the causeway on the middle pyramid complex, you go down this big ladder, you go into one room, you go down another ladder, there's a bigger room

1:04:12with boxes in it, and you go down a further ladder to the bottom room, which also has boxes in it. Today, it's the water tables way up high, but we know in the past, this is one of the things that has recently come to light, is that that down there in the bottom, in the 1990s, that was scanned with ground penetrating radar at the bottom level, and they found yep, there are actually like four meter long, eight feet high tunnels with dome ceilings below that, even further that nobody was as far as we know, have ever explored. There are also tunnels leading off from that bottom level that head off towards the sphinx and head off towards the pyramid, and in fact, they fork because there was a little known exploration done by a team of Japanese scientists in the early 2000s that got like a camera on a long pole, they shoved it down through the mud and they stuffed it about 20 meters into one of these tunnels, and they found these man-made structures like tunnels and it forks, and it actually forks off, and one seems to head towards the great pyramid

1:05:13and one keeps going up towards Kuffra. So there's tons of stuff below there, and in fact, if you ever go to the Geese Plateau, I'd doubt that causeway, if you're heading up towards the middle pyramid, you've got the erashaft on the left, but on the right, you have, I mean, a 10 of these massive shafts that we don't really know how deep they are, whether or not they've ever been fully excavated, but they just go way down into the ground. So this could be like, you know, it's like the very top layer of things that are being claimed by the Italian scientists and their scans. But there was, we know that these tunnels extend down to beneath the sphinx, for example, like there's long wind rumored that there's a tunnel and entrance at the end, at the back of the sphinx, in fact, if you go there, there's a little box and a little hole. It doesn't go anyway, I've stuck a camera in there and had a look, but this is what happened in the 1990s. So, you know, John Anthony West, I'm sure you've seen the mysteries of the sphinx, right? Super famous document. Yeah, I know he has, but you've seen his work. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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1:09:15grill or register trademarks of FCAUS LLC. Enjoy big savings with Red Hot deals at Vons and Albertsons! This week at Vons and Albertsons, baby back pork ribs are 2.99 per pound with membership where applicable limit three racks. And ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns 8 count are 2.99 with digital coupon. Plus personal seedless watermelons or cantaloupe are 1.99 each with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vonsoralbertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. So he did that research in 1991. In 1991, John Antioff, he actually won an Emmy for Best Documentary, I think, for it was totally warranted. So he is part of that work, had a guy named Tom DeBecky who was a grand penetrating radar expert and he did work around the Sphinx and he found the existence of large regular chambers beneath the Sphinx. And then when that documentary came out, allegedly Zahi was insensed by it because it talked

1:10:19about Atlantis and it made the suggestion that there might be a hall of records that talked about Ege Casey. And he then denied after that John Antioff West and Robert Schock, any permits to do any further work. But what's weird is that Zahi and Mark Lain are have this longstanding connection with the Ege Casey Foundation. Which is like a, it's this weird dichotomy. It's like on the public facing, they decry anything Atlantis based, but then on the private side, they seem to be enabling explorations by the ARE. And in fact, they've been enabling the ARE to do drilling experiments and other things at the Sphinx since the late 1970s. And there was an expedition, notorious one that no one ever knew what happened. It was called the Shore Expedition. Dr. Joseph Shaw, Joseph Jehoto and then a guy named Boris Saeed were running this Shore Expedition and Boris Saeed was a friend of John Antioff West. He was the executive producer for mysteries of the Sphinx. And this happened in like 95 through about 97, 1997.

1:11:20And they partnered up with Zahi gave them a five year unlimited permit to do whatever they wanted up at the, on the Gees of Plateau. And one of the stories that came out of that was a story. So Boris Saeed who unfortunately has also passed away since, but he talked about filming Zahi. Well we got to the back of the Sphinx and he said, we want to make another documentary like the mysteries of the Sphinx. And he said, well, what if we open up a tunnel that no one's ever opened up before? And he's like, that'd be great. What sort of tunnel he said, well, a tunnel under the Sphinx. And Boris Saeed said that'd be fantastic. So I actually filmed him going into the rump of the Sphinx, standing down in there and saying, the quote is something like even Indiana Jones wouldn't believe that he was here. We're standing inside the body of the Sphinx. And he knows where this tunnel goes, but we're going to open it for the first time. And he's down in this space with it, with basically a blocked up tunnel beneath the Sphinx. And this, he filmed all of this, but then this footage will disappear. So during the expedition, it was kind of shut down.

1:12:21And then they got into a legal dispute like like Boris Saeed and Joseph Shaw got into this battle. The footage was never seen, but he went on Art Bell in the late 90s and talked about it and we're like, oh, damn. So this, you know, they also talked about this stuff at the Osirah Shaf. They did that ground penetrating radar work that did sonic experiments in the great pyramid. There's a lot that happened at this shore expedition run by the edge. It was, they're all ARE members like, and they did stated goal. Joseph Shaw was, was always to find the hall of records, right? I mean, this all continued in it to 2002 with, with, with that, that organization, but there was all this tantalizing mystery of this footage like where the, like is this footage? Apparently the department just has had a copy of it because there was this lawsuit that was going on. And nobody knew. So this is, it's kind of out there. And then, and then it was only like earlier this year, it turns out that so what happened? So Boris Saeed was, was sick with liver cancer, but he was trying to raise funds to make this documentary. So he put together this tape with some of this footage from this expedition. And he was selling VHS copies of it as a way to invest in this documentary.

1:13:25And then a couple like a year later, he just, he, that's when he passed away. So there was, there's been a handful of these VHS tapes out there in random homes from the mid to late 90s, just sitting where this tape and then eventually someone this year actually digitized it, put it up on YouTube as an unlisted video. I found out about it. And so all of a sudden now we, we actually have this footage. We have, are he going into the Sphinx at the back saying, we see this work. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, if you, Jamie, if you pull up my, I think it's the latest or the couple latest videos about the rare footage found from the Sphinx, it opens with that, with that footage. I'm so excited to thank God you're out there. I'm so excited to do this. It means so much to me that you do this. It's, I love doing it. It's, I know you do. I know you do. Fastener when you find, like I'm known about this footage for years and years. And, and I'm like, oh my God, somebody found it. Yeah. This is it here. So there's Ahi. Yeah. So he's going into this tunnel. Yeah. So you can still, this still exists, but then this is, yeah, this where he is now doesn't.

1:14:27Um, what happened? Well, that story gets more, more intriguing. So yeah, this is the him saying the line saying we've never opened this tunnel before. We're in the body of the Sphinx and we're going to figure out where it goes. So yeah. So after that, so Boris, they filmed that. That this is the early days. So yeah, I'm walking around the back here. I think I poked my camera in there, but I talk about it later on. It's, it's, so Boris Said who had filmed this with Zahi goes, he talks to them about, let's make a contract. Let's, let's have Zahi open the tunnel. Like we'll make the documentary about him opening this tunnel. We're going to shout to the world, you know, and they talked about it. He went back to New York and he never heard from them again. They never mentioned this contract. Nothing. He never had any further contact with Zahi about it. And then funny thing happens in Egypt about, I don't know, eight, nine months later. And this is as reported by Robert Bavarian Graham Hancock in their book, um, Heaven's Mirror. And also I found it in, uh, the Arabic publications, but about eight, I think it was six to eight months later. Zahi makes an announcement in L.A. Ram and these Egyptian publications in Arabic that says,

1:15:33I've made this incredible discovery. I've discovered tunnels and chambers beneath the Giza Plateau that's going to change everything we know about the ancient Egyptians and the pyramids. And he talked about finding three tunnels. One that was like on the north, one on the south, and then one that was yet to be determined where it went. And he made this announcement and then never said another word about it ever again. In the, and this is just in the Arabic papers. And his, his the funny thing is, is, is, but it couldn't be because there's nothing there. I suspect something else. I suspect that that if that, even if there was nothing there, you'd still stick, he would have stuck a camera down and looked at it. I suspect, I think it's more likely that, yeah, they found something that, that might have upset the apple cart and it doesn't, it doesn't. Imagine if they are sitting on information. Oh, I think you think that I, yes, I, yeah, I do. I think there's been plenty of excavations and discoveries that I think are,

1:16:35were inconvenient for one reason or the other that have probably never seen the light of day. That's a crime against humanity. A little bit. I think so. I mean, it's, you know, the funny thing that he's, what he said too, when he's, when I read that comment he makes about three tunnels, that's, that's, that's what Aladresi and, Almasati said as well, like these, these Herodotus of the Ares like six to eight hundred AD, when they went, they described the same damn, the three tunnels, like chambers and rooms. It's, it's, it's like lining up with these sisters, same as the labyrinth, like it's lining up with these historical accounts. And then it's just you don't hear another word about it. And when you go to the sphinx today and you, you finally, you pop that little box off its butt. It, the whole thing's been backfilled like the whole, it's where, where you see that camera of where, where's he was standing that still beam still there, but where his head level is, where he's standing, hey, this tunnel goes, it's like the dirt levels here now. Like it's, it's all been backfilled. That's so crazy. Yeah. That's so, why would you do that if there wasn't something in there?

1:17:35You would only do it if there's something in there. And where's it cave, Dan? Yeah. To be honest, it's, it's my concern also with the great pyramid and the chamber there. It is that, first of all, I have my suspicions that they may well have already taken a peak with an endoscopic camera into that hidden void. So this is, you know, the scan mirror and the space on it based on anything in particular. No, no, I just, no, just, just, just my experience with how they do things. Yes. So it's, so it's always, I mean, I just, there's very little transparency when it comes to a lot of these digs and stuff. And this isn't just the, this is, I think, I mean, it's not a criticism. It's maybe more characteristic of archaeological digs everywhere. Sometimes the way this works is, is you might have to wait 20 or 30 years for, for, or decade for information to come out because then it has to get perfectly. Someone has to publish a paper, you know, they sit on that information until that point. Or maybe it never sees the light of day. I mean, because it's inconvenient. Well, I do, I do think that, I mean, anything that's going to like,

1:18:38seriously upset the Apple card, like if you came out and, and found something that was, damn, we found the whole of records, you know, we found this, this, this evidence that is, is incontrovertible that suggests that there was a pre-dissessor culture and a pre-dissessor civilization to the ancient Egyptians. I think there would be some long and hard thinking about whether or not we actually release that because it's going to make everybody look back, you know what I mean? Like it's, it upsets the eye. Crazy though that it is. It is. Make everybody look bad would be the motivation to keep one of the most important discoveries ever. Yes. From from the human race. I agree. Yes. I'm talking nuts. It is. We're even thinking about this. And I love your approach. I think you're absolutely right, too. Is it even if these figures, all they have to do is embrace it. All they'd have to say is look at what we learned. And everyone would be like, that's amazing. And if you still achieve, what is it's just, it's Egyptians that go back 30,000 years or whatever it is. Yeah. More more. That's so crazy. But also, wouldn't that, excite more people to be more interested with that increase the economy,

1:19:41wouldn't that increase the tourism, it would increase everything. Yes, it would. It would make everybody more excited about archaeology. I think you got to embrace the mystery. There was a trend towards squishing it for us. There's no way you could know everything. It's not possible, especially when you're finding these new things. It's clear you don't know everything. Yeah. If they're finding new things, you don't know everything. If there's a 40 meter long metallic object and a labyrinth, it's in a giant e-tium that's under the fucking ground. You don't know everything. Yeah, I think it's worth taking a look. Like, like, geez, you think? Yeah. I mean, let's at least take a look. I was still like a halt. Like, figure out, we know where from the scan, kind of where it is. We were taking a ball hold down. We were talking before you were saying that there might be a possibility of digging a tunnel under the water through the bottom, because the actual area where it is is not in the water. That's so the scan seemed to indicate it is likely free of water, is the terminology I heard from the scan interpretations. It's true to say that the issue with the water at Hohara and the labyrinth is the ground water.

1:20:43So it's this seepage that's coming in from the north. And it's, so presumably at some point, you do get to a former bedrock that may will be impermeable. And if it's sealed and you're cut into that structure, then yeah, you may well be free of water. Or it might be, you know, it seems like the ground water. It's probably the ground water. Fuck up and let the water through the hole. Try to dig a tunnel. Well, it's flood that too. For sure, some of it's in the water. Like the upper levels of the labyrinth. So from the ground penetrating radar scans at the Madahar expedition, I mean, you have these granite blocks that are like three, four meters wide and this huge labyrinthine structure. That's sitting in, I mean, I'm sure it's full of sediment too. Like it's not like there may be some cavities and open. Everyone's like, can we dive on them? Like it's full of, it's luri mud and sediment. A lot of it. And if that's sitting in this sort of salty, brackish ground water that I suspect is not going to do great things to that granite if it's left for another 50, 100 years or more. So it's, there is a pressure to remediate this problem and I think to save what's down there. The deeper layers, however, seem like there's a possibility

1:21:45that they're free of water. I mean, is there been, has there been any proposal to do that? Is there any proposal to figure out a way to reroute the water? They've, so they've, this is what I talked about in the video. There were some studies that started to happen to try and do that. And then the guy who was running the study got thrown in jail for talking about it. And then nothing since that. Nothing since, as far as I know, tell Zahi can come on again if he does it. I'll have him back. I'll mention it. I would love to, I would, I would, I mean, I think it's a solvable problem, though, that's the thing. I think we get Zahi to do mushrooms. That's what we have to do. Yeah. We have to get him to just drop it all. It'll be interesting. Cut the bullshit. Become the sun god. Yeah, no, I don't know. Yeah, just let everybody love you for doing that. Because they would. If we just change, turn, turn the new page, just say, all right, let's just, let's go crazy. I think yes. Yeah, he's, yeah, he wants to be loved. He wants to be respected. He does. Everybody does. So open it up, baby. Let's go. Give me a hug. Open it up. Start digging. Yeah, let's go. Let's, let's think some bullholes and get some pumps in there

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1:25:49Right. And today it's like it is a symptom of the climate that we only really look at the Nile Valley. Because the dynastic Egyptian settled in the Nile Valley because when they started, it was a desert. That was the habitable part. But if you open up the possibility that there's a precursor civilization that was existing in the millennia prior to that, now you've got the Sahara. Figure out where the river systems, the lake basins were. There's very little of the Sahara that's fully, but we're not looking under the sand there. We're developing new scanning techniques. Let's start looking there. Because I think there's the Assyrian's crazy place at the back of Temple of Seti I, in Abedos. And it's sitting on top of this aquifer. It's like this big subterranean granite structure. And I'm like, I bet this is this was, I think, clearly some sort of functional thing. And I bet there's a bunch more of these but we just don't know where they are because they're under the ground. We just found this one. Well, Seti found it when he built his temple and he's like, holy shit, we found this giant granite subterranean structure.

1:26:53Let's turn the temple this way. But I think there's a strong possibility as well that there's a lot more of that stuff. And even to the archaeologists suggest the same. They did the scoping scale of what is under the sand in Egypt. I mean, I think even most mainstream archaeologists will tell you, like 70% of it's still as yet undiscovered, at least. That is so crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you look at what has been discovered. That's nothing quite like it. I mean, Luxor, what do they say? The stats around Luxor is like one third of the world's antiquities in this one area. Just at Luxor. And it's not even the Giza Plateau. That's just that's upper Egypt down at Luxor with the West Bank and the Valley of the Kings and Karnak Temple. It's astonishing. And they're still digging stuff up. The Temple of Amanhotep, the second or third is Nick. Like, Klaus I've memnon, these giant six, seven hundred ton statues are like the front door to it. And they're slowly excavating this monstrous temple behind it. And they keep finding these remnants of these colossal statues. I've had rumors, just rumors.

1:27:54I'm going to Egypt like next week. Hopefully we can, I want to get a look at this. I've heard rumors that they found like a hand from a statue that's even bigger than the biggest ones we've found so far. So they might have found a segment of a statue that was one of the largest ever, which would be astonishing because who knows. I mean, there's some evidence that they made stuff like that. I mean, we talk about a thousand tons and that's mind boggling enough. But there's actually a quarry in Egypt called Minia. It's like the unfinished obelisk, right? It's like the unfinished obelisk still attached. They never pulled it out and it's 1,200 tons. But that Minia, there's these, it's like limestone and they've cut these blocks out. They're still attached. They made these blocks and there's even an inscription, like a rough inscription of a seated, like a seated figure on a throne. Like a zirron on that. As if that were going for. But if you take the density of the limestone in the Minia region and you calculate its volume, it's in the realm of 5,000 tons. Oh my god.

1:28:55Yeah, it's, it's, who knows what they, what was there originally. I mean, I just, I think it's, it's baffling enough that we have this, you know, these logistical achievements in that, in that anything above really 300, 400 tons across, above 100 tons over any distance is, is, is a massive challenge for, for anyone. I mean, us to move that sort of a load over the roads and things we have now. I mean, shit, even in Peru, you find similar logistical achievements. I was just, I spent, just came back from five weeks in Peru. I want to talk about that. I don't have to be so bad. Okay. So let's pause real quick and we're back. Sorry. Sorry about that. Folks, and we're back. Have you speculated like why they want to thing so big? Like, or was it just that they had the ability all of a sudden at one point in time and their development? I mean, it's, I would, you can't make, to me, any argument that these giant statues are functional. They're clearly symbolic. Yeah. It's, it's, it's almost like a challenge to history.

1:29:55It's, it's a, it's a monument through history. I mean, there's some indication that things like the pyramid, the great pyramid are markers and, you know, they're, they're demonstrations of their knowledge and capability. We can talk about that in a minute, but there's, with the statues, it's, no, it's, to me, it's just like, look at us, look how mighty we are. Like it's, it's, it's a, like the same reason we, I mean, why do we make Mount Rushmore? Or we make some big mon, it's like to leave a monument or it's some sort of marker behind. I mean, the Sphinx, for example, could be a marker in time when you look at it in terms of the great cycle and the fact that it was likely a lion and, you know, it's facing juiced so that it could well be a marker for a particular moment during the processional cycle. Which could be either like 10,500 BC or 35,000 BC. Right. Or plus 25,920 years. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's cycle of that. So this is the, the thing. I mean, the Sphinx. I mean, it was, it's been talked about even like again, hope we go back to deodoros,

1:30:56sycophilus and Strabo and Herodosis. They talked about the Sphinx being vastly older. They're hearing things about it being older, Gaston Maspero and, and a lot of the archaeologists, the early explorers for that region also mentioned it being 12 plus thousand years older, being this ancient monument and as strong evidence to support that in that, I mean, you have statues of Sphinxes that predate Kuffra, for example. So when he apparently built it like there's already, we see statues and imitations of Sphinx. There's also lions. Before that time, you have the, what's called the inventory stelae or the stelae of Kufu's daughter, which was a statue that Kufu being Kuffra's father. It's a Kufu great pyramid, Kuffra, middle pyramid. This, this, this is rarely acknowledged, but it tells the story of that, that Kufu was trying to repair this Sphinx and dig it out of the sand. He's Kufu's father, so it's Kupu older, but also the name, like the oldest name for this Sphinx

1:31:57is Ruti and it's the two lions. It's a segment and what's the name of the other lion? I can't, I have it here. I can't remember the name of the other lion god, but it literally means to two lions and gate, so it's like this lion's gate. It's guarding a gate, but this is one of the oldest names for it. So if it was indeed a lion and it's facing juiced, and we know that the things like procession of the, processional cycles, processional numerology is deeply embedded in many, many cultures all around the world. This is one of the other key bits of context that seems to point to a consolidated origin point for knowledge and data of the cosmos and of geodetic data, but knowledge of the procession of the equinoxes is one of those, which is the, you know, basically you mark this by what constellation is behind the rising sun on the vernal equinox facing east.

1:32:58So as we look east today, it's somewhere between the constellation of Pisces and Aquarius. And it's a cycle that denotes or is due to the earth's wobble. All right, so we have, we have at least three motions of the planet. We have the, you know, like the rotation of the earth, so 24 hour cycle. We have the orbit of the earth around the sun, 365 and a quarter days. And then you have the processional wobble. There's a couple more actually, and that is, and that is basically the earth, as it spins, does this, it describes this little, like it's, it's, it's axis. It describes a circle in space, which changes the constellation. It's a cycle that takes around 26,000 years, 25,920 years, the typical description for it. And what that means is the backdrop of stars, as we're looking, at any time, is slowly changing. It changes only one degree every 72 years. So if you're looking at the horizon, like the width of your thumb over 72 years,

1:34:02basically the relative to the sun, the constellations behind the sun shift. So today it's Pisces, and we're moving into the age of Aquarius. And before Pisces, it was the age of Aries. And for Aries, it was the age of Taurus. And you go back for another, get to Leo, the lion, which is another, I mean, this, the symbology, and certainly the tenacity, Egyptians, as well as many others, had had very similar constellations and names for all these constellations that we do. So I think there's a good indication that this thinks could be essentially a processional marker talking about a specific time, which in our current cycle would have been, I think, yeah, around, around 10,000 something BC, but you could potentially add a whole cycle onto that to go back another nearly 26,000 years. Which is an interesting possibility. It's interesting, but it's also nuts. It's very nuts. It's comparative to our conventional timeline. What is the conventional timeline for the acceptance of astrological signs?

1:35:05That means constellations. This is, I mean, there's no doubt about the, I mean, the processional cycle is an observable thing. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, but naming them like cancer Leo. So I don't, I don't actually know. It goes back to, it's, it's, it's very common across multiple cultures, one of the craziest things actually depicted on the, the ceiling of the temple of Dendero in ancient Egypt, the same constellations that we have. Pisces, the fish, areas, the ram, you know, let's have a line. Like, what do you think is the oldest accepted? Like, if we put it into perplexity, what do you think is the oldest accepted? I would suspect it's either, it's either the Egyptians or the Samarians, because that's about as far back as, as written knowledge goes. I mean, it was the Samarians followed by the Egyptians. I don't know what they're, if the Samarians had as the doycle, acknowledgement, but certainly the Dynastic Egyptians did. And that seems to have progressed from there down every, everyone. And, and the interesting thing, we have a sponsor perplexity. Yeah. AI sponsor. So Clay Tabits from Mesopotamia, Samarian, later Babylonian, and the late second millennial,

1:36:08BC give the oldest, secure, written constellation names, including the figures like the lion, the bull, and the scorpion. These early Star lists, such as Babylonian three stars each catalogs, and later the MUL dot API N tablets, what is that? You know what that is? No. Systematically record stars and constellations, and we're compiled roughly between 1200 and 1000 BCE, drawing on an even old, on even older tradition. So it's at least 1000 BCE. Yeah, that says here that the iconography of Star, animal similar to these constellations appear on Priestark Seals, Vases, and Gaming Boards from Mesopotamia, may go back as far as 4000 BC. I think if you go to like go backly Tepe, and Martin Sweatman's theories that a lot of the animal depictions on there may be just maybe showing constellations. I don't believe there the typical, the diacol constellations, but it's, I mean, what's interesting is let's see, are they found go backly Tepe? Let's see what perplexity thinks.

1:37:13No clear universally accepted constellation names have been identified, I go backly Tepe, but some carvings appear to depict animals in positions that may correspond to parts of later constellations such as Scorpius, Sagittarius, or Sigonus. Sigonus? Sigonus? This is Ashley Akinetti from the Almost Amos Podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away, but you never actually plan anything. That was us until we did something fun and spontaneous. We went to resortpas.com. There are hundreds of hotel resorts, pools and spots and private beaches that you can enjoy. You can spend the day at a luxury resort, pool, spa, massage without booking an overnight stay. And listen, I may have only been like 15 minutes from home, but it felt like it was a whole different world. And I'm thinking this is exactly what I needed. So just go to resortpas.com, choose your resort, choose your day, luxury resort day passes start at just $25. Once you post your daycation, people are going to ask where you are.

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1:39:20Hurry in. These deals won't last. Visit vans or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. Signus. Signus. According to a minority of researchers, most archaeologists remain cautious. Yeah, and minority being mountain sweatmen probably. Seeing these are powerful symbolic animal figures like a scorpion, vulture and other birds of prey and arguing that firm links to a true zodiac or named constellation, they're speculative. But interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's remarkable. More so even just than those markers is one of the, I mean, for me, the it's sacred geometry and the processional numerology that's encoded. I mean, this is Hamlet's mill. What's in the book, Hamlet's mill that essentially shows you that this, a lot of the sacred geometry, which is it's like a numeral system or these sacred numbers that are repeated through geometry, time, distance, even cosmic cycles as we measure them. And then they appear again and

1:40:22again through ancient cultures and in their origin stories. And even in their architecture, I mean, you know, the great pyramids probably the best example of being the, I mean, I'm sure we've heard that it's like a scale model of the northern hemisphere at a ratio of 43,200 to one. It's absolutely insane. And it encodes so much more knowledge when you consider it from that perspective, knowledge that we can't explain through the dynastic Egyptians or by any capabilities that they had. It encodes geodetic data. It's in terms of the very specific shape of the earth. It being an oblate spheroid like it encodes that information in it. How so? Well, so, so 43,200 is an interesting number to start with just because the number of seconds in a day is 86,400. So in 12 hours of the day in like a, it's the amount of sun like they're basically

1:41:23the amount of time on a hemisphere or in half of a day in exactly 12 hours is 43,200. It's just, it's 432 is one of those numbers that shows up again and again and again and again. So the great pyramid at a ratio of 43,200 to one is essentially a scale model of the northern hemisphere. If you take the height of the great pyramid and this includes the sockle that it sits on, but you take that height you multiply it by 43,200, you get the pole radius of the earth. So from the center of the earth to the north pole almost exactly within a couple hundred feet and even more impressive is when you take the, the perimeter length of the great pyramid and you multiply that by 45,200, you get the equatorial circumference of the earth within about 300 feet which is super interesting because it's flexible. It changes. So as we've always known, there's been multiple surveys since the only hundreds of the great pyramid and it's, once it's base was cleared off and we got its perimeter length and then we've also had surveys looking at, you know, the how big is the earth? Aristotle is in

1:42:29like 5600 AD in Greece. He was the first one to give it a go by measuring sort of the angle of, you know, the shadow in two different places over a few years and he got the circumference of the earth to in about 500 miles. That was as close as we got until, you know, the 1800s and then the advent of modern satellite surveys in the 1970s and 1980s and the funny thing is is that the more advanced we got as we step closer and closer and right up to the modern satellite surveys, the closer the number came to what the great pyramid represents at this ratio of 45,200. Right up to the point where it's like the most modern, I think the surveys done in the 80s are still the ones we use looking at the, you know, the actual circumference of the earth is within about 300 feet of the measure of the great pyramid which makes, I mean, that's within the margin of error, it's within the variability of the margin of the earth because of the circumference of the earth because you have like the moon and the sun on one side, it literally, you measure it every day, it's going to change

1:43:31about two or three hundred feet just because gravitational forces are pushing on the earth. So that also means that what interesting is if in two seconds of time, if you were standing on the equator, then the earth rotates precisely the length of the perimeter of the great pyramid. So in two seconds, it goes basically the earth turns the same length as the perimeter length of the great pyramid. What's even crazier? And so you have this measure expressed in distance and in time given that it's this significant number that measures the amount of seconds in 12 hours, it also encodes geodetic data so the earth isn't a perfect sphere, right? We deviate from being a perfect sphere because, and this is dank Christ because it's like that rotation that the o-blade sphere-eyed nature of the earth, the what's it called the spin, the, shit, I wouldn't die. The spin motion of the earth essentially, like the, like a dryer,

1:44:36some reason I can't think of the word, it's flattening out tops a little bit and we bulge a little bit at the center around the equator, right? So it's like that that that that that that spin force is making us bulge a bit. So what it means is that if you measure the earth this way, like north to south around and then east to west, it's going to be slightly longer east to west. How's that? I think it's something like 70 or 80, 40 miles, I think, the difference, something like that. Maybe that's the radius difference, but it's I think it, yeah, radius or diameter might be 30 or 40 miles difference. It's just as it is this slight equatorial bulge. And what it means is that when you draw latitude and longitude lines on the planning and that latitude being north south and longeritude being east west, if you get down to the equator, no, obviously they, you know, the shapes of them change as you go up towards the poles, but the the latitude lines are straight. So I'll just rest on my own, I don't know how accurate it is. It says it's accurate. That's earth without water. That's nuts. Yeah.

1:45:41Rocky little ball in it. Bro, that's crazy. Yeah, some of those oceans are deep. Where that yeah, you think that's cool. That's bananas. That's not much. Looks exaggerated to me. That a little bit. Wow. The most accurate model of earth shape, accounting, not only for its rotation, but also for the distribution of the masses inside the planet. Yeah. The surface slightly uneven and deviating from a perfect sphere. Unlike a school glow, which depicts earth as an ideal ball, the geoid resembles a slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator potato with the height variations of to 100 meters due to the gravitational anomalies. This shape arises from the centrifugeal that's the way it looks looking for. There it is. Of course, the earth's rotation, which inflates the equator by an additional 21 kilometers compared to the polar diameter. Interesting, interestingly, the geoid is used in GPS navigation and geodicee, geodesy. Geodesy. Geodesy. Geodesy to precisely measure elevations above sea levels as oceans

1:46:45follow this uneven surface. Imagine if you shrank the earth this size of a basketball, the geodesy irregularities would be smaller than the roughness of the orange skin. Wow. Of an orange skin, yet still impact our daily lives. Wow. Yeah. So it must be a little exaggerated because I think that's clearly rougher than an orange than the roughness of an orange skin. But yes, that's an example. It gives us an example. We're a little bulgey around the middle, a little flatter on top. So when you get down to latitude and longitude, that's the equator. At the equator, what if you draw that cube one degree of latitude, one degree of longitude, it's not a perfect cube. So it's a little bit further east to west than it is north to south. So if you cut that down into like 60 seconds of latitude and longitude, it's a smaller little square, but same proportions. You have the same ratio. And if you actually take the

1:47:50the great pyramid, so there's the thing to understand about the great pyramid is that there's, it sits on a sockle. I don't know if I've talked about this before, but so we know because we have casing stones, we have that 51 degrees, 51 minutes angle of these casing stones. So we were able to really ac- and we have a few of those still around the base from where they fell off. So from that, we can determine the height and we also have this perimeter length using the casing stones. Pretty very accurately, the survey. And now those casing stones, it doesn't sit direct on the bedrock. The pyramid actually sits on top of a 55 centimeter sockle. So it's this little platform that sticks, it sticks out about this much and it's 55 centimeters high and it's like sticks out. So you have the casing stones, you have this little sockle that it sits on. So you have these two methods of measuring the pyramid. You can measure the perimeter length around the casing stones or you can measure the perimeter length around the sockle. Sockle is slightly larger. And if you have funny thing is, is if you get down to one quarter of one second of latitude and

1:48:54longitude at the equator, the longitude is exactly within, in short two, the perimeter length of the sockle and the latitude, the north-south is the perimeter length of the pyramid. So it's encoding the geodetic shape of the earth, the ratio of latitude to longitude is encoded incredibly accurately in these perimeter lengths on the pyramid. And it's just that's just it's just kind of an incline bug. Well, so this this would be this would be the skeptic reduction is a answer to this stuff is the right. You say, well, you're just playing with numbers. It's like will that it's it's the numbers are there. None of those things none of you can anyone can check that data for themselves. Like the 45,200 to one ratio of the pyramid. The fact that that's the number of seconds in 12 hours of the day, there's so many. I mean this this by the way 45, 432 turns up all over the place. The Carly Yugra said to be 43,200 years old. The radius of the

1:50:00sun is 432,000 miles. The King's List from the Samarians is a total of 43,200, oh no, 432,000 years with one King raining for 43,200 years. So this 432 is one of those one of those sacred geometry numbers that keeps turning up again and again. But what's always been fascinating to me in in the geodetic information encode in the great pyramid is is like you have to understand the shape and size of the earth to get that ratio so accurately embedded in that in that monument. And we weren't able to do that. Basically until really recently we satellite servers, but we certainly weren't able to measure longitude even until like the turn of the 18th century like James Cook's second voyage of discovery. We couldn't measure. We couldn't accurately figure out where we were on those on those east to west traverses like accurately reflecting longitude in the pyramid is a it's astonishing. It's one of those things that also relates to ancient maps having accurate coastlines

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1:53:31Have you ever had a debate with anybody that thinks this is all coincidence and that you could take these numbers and just kind of monkey around with them and make any kind of equation you want. If you just draw arbitrary distances between certain things. No, not because some people do believe that right? Yeah, I mean, so I think there's a difference between when you talk about numbers versus ratios. It does, once you get to ratios, then it doesn't matter how you measure them. Like it's like the ratio, it doesn't matter you measure them in mosquito dicks or inches or whatever, right? It's all right. So ratios are one thing. There is a lot of mean, the whole system of measurement, how we measure time, the imperial system of measurement where the mile comes from, all of that stuff does have these deep roots in sacred geometry and basically cosmic. Then that's again, I think all pointing towards a common system or a common set of knowledge that came from. But I've not debated somebody about

1:54:32this. I don't know that you, I mean, you can't really question the numbers, but there's some incredible just, I guess, coincidences that are in this whole system that do point towards, like, I mean, they get really crazy. So here's another one, which I just, this one just pickles my noodle. It's, so, you know, we know that I've said this before. I think that the sun is, you know, the moon's 400 times smaller than the sun and it's the sun's 400 times further away. So you get this, that's how we get total solar clips is actually nice. But there's also another sacred number encoded in their ratios relative to their diameters in the distance from earth. That's the same between the moon and the sun. And that's a hundred and eight. So if you take the diameter of the moon, at whatever it is, 2160 miles, by the way, 2160 is also the length of a great month in the processional cycle. That's one 12th of 25,920. But 2160 miles times a hundred and eight, that gives you the more or less the distance between of the moon to the earth. So moons, yeah, so it's a, no,

1:55:38moons diameter times a hundred and eight gives you the distance to the earth. The sun's diameter, which is 86,400 miles, which is the number of seconds in a 24-hour period, times that by a hundred and eight. And you get the, that's the distance of the sun from the earth. So it's like that relationship between their diameter and their distance from the earth is exactly the same between the sun and the moon. And it's a hundred and eight. That that ratio, so it's the lunar, lunar diameter over lunar distance equals solar diameter over solar distance. And I mean, what a coincidence. What a coincidence. Yeah, and it's a hundred and eight. And by the way, there are temples and places like Cambodia that have a hundred and eight pillars, like a hundred and eights and other one of these sacred numbers that have been encoded into the way we measure stuff, the way we count for time. So this is a huge, there's a huge sort of rabbit hole of sacred geometry that and and processional numerology that seems to point to some point in the past, someone having

1:56:39all of this understanding to create these systems and to measure things and to do so accurately, to the point where the more accurate we get now measurements, the closer we get to these the ratios and data reflected in these ancient structures. It's just and you can't attribute that to these the cultures that were on those, like the ancient Egyptians or the Greeks. It's like where did this information come from and how come it's represented in cultures from you know, the Norse mythology through, you know, South American, Native Indian myths to, you know, this number sharp again and again as as was shown by by Hamlet's mill this book that basically this poem that put that information together and say, well, this all of it seems to point to this, you know, this this origin point of someone with this information. And it's just it's one more of these contextual points when you combine it with the human timeline and climate and cataclysm and the all the endless other other contradictions in the megalithic architecture on these sites and stuff like that that makes this concept that we've been advanced,

1:57:41significantly advanced, us or someone has and they've we've they've left all these signs and signals and breadcrumbs for us to try and follow to figure out. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, the pyramid is cool. It is just whoa. It is my favorite subject of all time. Yeah. The the lost civilization subject I think is my favorite subject because it ties all of them together. You know, it in the mystery of the human origins. Yeah, all of it. Yeah, it's just I think it's I think it's plausible. I think it's probably even that that we've risen and have been wiped out. I mean, I was just saying I just spent five weeks in Peru again. I just came back like 10 days ago and I mean, that place more than anywhere else is is both more mysterious and more obvious that there was something else going on long time ago. More obvious. Yeah, more of in in the the delta between these technological levels like so in Egypt, you know, it didn't I don't you never want to underestimate with the

1:58:46Dynastic Egyptians were capable of. They had this long civilization of 300 or sorry, 3000 years and they did some incredible work. So, you know, they're they're really good stonework. It gets the lines can get a little blurred. I mean, you still see the difference, but in Peru, it's different, particularly in the Sacred Valley places like Tijuana, Kuan Bolivia, but there you have these very distinct lines like in terms of technology in the stonework that the and the layering of the stonework in that place. To I mean, typically, mostly all attributed to the Inca, but the Inca were really only around for like maybe 300 years maximum that their the Inca Empire was barely 100 years before the Spanish wiped them out and 1533. And so it's relatively young, right? So 1200 AD roughly to 1533 and they attribute most everything to the Inca and it's just not you just look at and go this is not remotely possible. It's there's a huge difference. You see these these three different layers of architecture. There's a a guy in Peru that has been researching this stuff for

1:59:4950 plus years him and his father, Jesus Gamara, who has this classification system for the the architecture in Peru. So you have he calls them Han and Pacha, Oran Pacha, Eekun Pacha, the three levels. This has these words have many meanings in Ketua, but it starts with like the oldest stuff seems to be this monolithic carved really bizarrely carved mountains like rock bedrock. It's not they're not blocks. It seems vastly ancient. There's all these channels and massive structures and shapes carved into the living rock of the mountain. It's just like the lowest level usually shows the most erosion. Then you have the mega lithic stuff like you know, Saxe Iwaman, you've seen pictures of that, you know, Saxe Iwaman, and the core of Muchu Picchu, or Yante Tamba, these giant, no the streets of Cusco, these huge megalithic blocks that are all got these perfect joins between them. You can't fit a razor blade in between them. They're flowing, they're their mortals as walls. They're they're they're incredible.

2:00:50It's one of the best the most amazing parts of the Sacred Valley is the proliferation of this sort of megalithic work. But then on top of that, you have the Inca work, the Eekun Pacha. It's literally cobblestones that are put together with mud mortars like a local rock and they've stuck it together. And so you have this you have this very distinct layers. I've pictures of this stuff, Jamie and the South America directory on there. But it's it's super clear. Like there's no blending. Like it's like boom, okay, here's here's the oldest layer, here's the next layer, here's the Inca layer. And it's always in that order. Like it's always like hunt and push on the bottom, then the megalithic stuff on top and then the Inca work on top of that because they were repairing stuff. So even the Inca never talked about them making sites like Saxe Iwaman, they have all these other stories for it like the you know, the giant's built it is one of the explanations you work. Yeah, there's a great example. So it's this is the interpunk of the sungate. So you see the difference, you see that clear distinction in the architecture. You have the megalithic stuff and then you have the repair work on top, the cobblestone work. And there's just this is all I want you to see this,

2:01:54you can't really unsee it as you go all over the Sacred Valley. And some of these some of these, this is small compared to the type of stuff you see in Saxe Iwaman where some of the blocks get up towards 200 tons, 150 plus tons. And all of the same type of stone. Yeah, this is T1 Arcoo. And it's so you know, there's this long history of unknown in so in Egypt you have this connection, a cultural connection, they you know, they have their Kings list, they have, they talk about Zeptepi, they clearly have this connection to whatever build a culture was there. They talk about it. And I mean it's part of their origin stories. But in South America, you have something else happen, like there's a big gap, like you don't have the Inca, don't have that that precursor culture. They came from the south, they talk of their origin story, comes from Lake Titicaca up into the Sacred Valley and then they took over. There are a couple of precursor cultures to the Inca, but there's this huge unknown, it's like we just don't know what happened. You know, there are, there are other sites in Peru and Graham Hancock's been out there recently. I was out there

2:02:56just recently too. There are pyramid sites in Peru that are 5,000 years old, places like Carole, there are, they're not sophisticated, it's incredible work in terms of the amount of stone that's been used, but it's not you know, it's not megalithic or or or precise, but there are pyramid cultures that stretch back at least 5,000 years. But in terms of the real megalithic precision work in South America, we have no clue who did that. In fact, there's probably the strangest site, one of the, my favorites is Tijuana, Pumapuncu, Tijuanaquia, you heard of this place in Bolivia. Sure. It's tough to get to, it's amazing. It's up in the up on the high Altaplano, like 12 and a half thousand feet above sea level. It's like nothing else on the planet. The stonework there is massive, it's precise, it's playful, there are just endless 90 degree turns, perfectly polished surfaces like saw marks, cut marks, it's, it's some images of this. Yeah, I have a Tijuanaquia

2:03:58directory there, Jamie. And then, and it's, it's quite well preserved because it was buried in mud, it's been, it's slowly been excavated. And it's, there's, there is a lot of evidence that suggests this place is at least 10 to 12,000 years old again using, yeah, endless like this sort of andesite work, see, that's the left turn arrow for some reason, but, but it's this playful nature if you like the H blocks are famous at this place, but they just have these endless little inserts and don't, like stuff like this, like this is one of my favorite blocks to show people, that is a, you're looking down on top, so the ground's down, so I'm looking down this, this thin channel that's been cut into this block and it has all of these little drill holes in it, little, and these are like tiny little drill holes and this channels about this wide, and it's cut into this block, you have several blocks with features like this, like it's clearly something's been attached to this, like it's how, how, how, how do you cut this in stone, and this is, you know, thousands of years old, but it's, it's a remarkable sight, full of these

2:05:01sort of examples, and it's, you know, attributed in general to a culture that lived there around 1100 ADs, you still, they're still digging stuff out of the, out of the ground, it was, it was destroyed in a cataclysm, or, or it could just some sort of massive mud flood, I think, was the end of this civilization, however, that's me and Graeme. And this is at 12,000 feet or 12 and a half year, so what would be the reason for establishing a civilization at 12,000 feet? It gets strange, because there's, so the modern, first, the modern dating for it comes from a handful of carbon dates, right? They found some carbon dates and they go, okay, 1100 AD, but they've, they've also found carbon dates that go back to 1500 BC and they just dismiss them as being unreliable. I literally think the only, these carbon dates could literally be the last person, some of the little campfire there, or was buried there. There's a guy named Arthur Posnansky who's a Polish professor that lived, he spent 50 years on this site, Diaden Lapaz published his works in 1945, I have a copy of his books,

2:06:06The Cradle of American Man, it's called. He spent 50 years investigating this site, he dated it at 15,000 BC, based on a whole range of others, like geological data, astroarcheological dating, which is, it has these alignment properties we can talk about. You know, he found the skull of a toxidon there, with toxidon is an extinct Pleistocene erromammal that went out with the young, in the younger dryest 13,000 BC. There seems to be depictions of saber-toothed tigers and smaller dons in some of the artwork there. So you have some poom, they also, they say they're all poomers, but some of them have small canine, some of them have really big canines. I mean, why is there a difference here? He dates it culturally in terms of it being the origin point for not only other cultures in South America, but also Central and North America through the symbology that Chicanas, the Inc and Cross, there's all these other fits. So he used it, a whole raft of scientific techniques to date that site and to support his conclusion that it was

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2:09:19You wouldn't. You just wouldn't. It's too hard. It's above the treeline. There's no natural treason. This is where it gets wacky because today, Tim and I was a port. They admit this even the archaeologists they talk about Puma Punku. It's like a port. There was something industrial happening there. The stone. If you look at posnansky's original images with the there's all sorts of interlocking bits of stone and sluice gates and hydrodynamic features on this place. There's a giant step pyramid that had this reservoir in the center. It's crazy. But they tell you it's a port and it was a port on on Lake Titicaca, which today is about 10 miles away. The shoreline is about 10 miles away. HS Bellamy in the 1800s discovered a strand line that runs basically through where Tiwanaakua was. So, strand line is basically the shoreline of an ancient water body of water. It can be formed through just gentle wave action over a long period of time. It can be formed from a high intensity period of waves, something hammering a shoreline.

2:10:23But he measured this. He found this shoreline that runs about 400 miles. It's across the Altaplano from Silostani in the north way down south towards La Paz. He documented this strand line. What's really weird and at that strand line, Tiwanaakua would have been at the shores of Lake Titicaca. It would have been a small island or a peninsula. The lake level would have been right there. And it would that fits it being a port however. The strand line is today. It's tilted. The strand line's tilted. So obviously water when it makes a body of water when it makes a strand line, it's flat. It finds its level. But only geological processes. And I assume over a fair amount of time can give it this tilt of a couple degrees. Which is what they measured. There's no doubt there is a strand line, but it's tilted. So I question whether in the period that they say Tiwanaakua was built 1100 AD, less than a thousand years between then and now that there's been enough geological upheaval

2:11:24in the Andes to tilt this strand line a couple of degrees. I don't think it can happen anything like that fast. I think the strand line and the evidence that it was a port shows us that this city was in fact vastly more ancient than that. And that it was destroyed by cataclysm, by flooding from the melting of the glaciers in the Andes. There's been the strong evidence there that it's seen, we may have seen multiple cycles of glaciers. And the climate would have been during this period, like the climate changed to make it this arid sort of inhospitable place that it is today. Like where it's just tough to exist at 12500 feet above the tree line, where hardly anything except like fruit varieties of potato grow, they must have had better climate or I don't know lower altitude, but a better climate at least. Lower altitude is possible. I don't think so. I mean, how much does that change? You're talking millions of years for that. Oh, poor. Because Lake Titicaca, I mean that was seal, like it is seawater. It's not today. It has like unique species in it that there's a native seahorse. It's the only, but it's

2:12:28brackish water. So it was originally part of the ocean that was uplifted. And it's been uplifted 12,500 feet, but this is millions of millions of years. And it's today fed by these glaciers. So it's slightly it's it's brackish. It's like it's it's a combination of salt and and fresh water. But it has these species that can only have come from the ocean. But this is like long geological process. So I think it's more likely that there was just a different like like sub climate or like a mini a climate zone in that area that must have supported that life because the place is massive. It's it's it's the site where you go is is only a the barest fraction of what is actually there under the ground. They've done scans. They've found entire buried step pyramids at this site. The farmers in all the fields around it are a con they ran into you know these big blocks occasionally and like I'm in the ruin the tractor and it's a big and decide block from two and I can. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. So it's and it's it's a super mystery and it's that's also the place for those trade act of pyramid those trade act of mummies are right. So Nazca right a lot a lot of that

2:13:32country from South America. That's right. And there's that gets real weird. It does take all those things into consideration. Yeah. Things get real weird. Well, you know there's also this evidence for technology and alignments there. I mean this is one of the things posnansky based is dating on was this was this structure there called the callus a sire there's a there's a big step pyramid there called the acuparna then there's this callus a sire which is big rectangular mass they're called it the stonehenge of the Americas were originally because it was just these giant stones that formed this big rectangular structure. Today's been reaped they've left the big stones there but they've kind of filled in the gaps and they've built the walls and stuff again. And what posnansky found was that it is a extremely accurate solar observatory kind of like a mean similar to stonehenge in some ways but if you stood in the center of the the west wall and you looked eat so this big rectangle do we have an image of this second look at yeah if you go to tywinarcha it's kind of like an overlook if you bring them all up I can show you or you can type in tywinarcha

2:14:36pre-find pictures of it callus a sire it's k a l a s a y s a something like that but it's it's it's like it's imagine a big rectangular huge rectangular that's yeah there so that's it there so you actually it's like there's an inner structure there but this is so see all those standing stones those are the original stones so it actually goes all the way around and all that fast side so it has an internal structure as well interesting so the the larger stones the original okay and then they built the smaller wall later that's all modern modern as far as the last 50 years oh yeah they reconstructed if you go back to posnansky's original excavations from the early 1900s all you see is the big standing stones it's been quarried like this is another one of those places where literally like the core of lapaz is made from stones from tywinarcha like it's the whole town that's here there's a massive church that's

2:15:38been built there's they made they made mines and sewer systems they just it was just like the most convenient source of stone and in tywinarcha in particular like they're very square like it's really linear beautiful blocks of and it's the perfect building material why wouldn't you just take it and build a city's so they they were right up until the 30s they were just wagon loads and wagon loads and wanglaugh stoned every day every day so there's places been used as a quarry for you have to similar to a lot of places in Egypt for hundreds if not thousands of years and but it's so so what you're looking at is you got to use your imagination to look at the older pictures to even any than it's a barely a fraction I think of what's actually there under the ground but what's interesting is posnansky figure out that if you stand in the middle of that of the west wall like so looking this way and if you looked at the corner pillars on the east wall it showed you the sun on the on the solstices would rise exactly on the outside corners of these pillars now this this is if you it looks like that to the eye but if you measure it with precision instruments you

2:16:42find it's about 18 minutes off now and so when it was aligned so it's it's similar to that the sphinx and like when was it lined up with Leo so when when was this structure lined up exactly on the solstices and so the the motion of the earth that would affect that is called the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic it's another one of the malenka bit cycle so you have we talked about procession of the equinoxes which is the wobble so then you also have this tilt that is changing the tilt of the earth so the actual tilt goes back and forth I think between 22 and 25 degrees something like that but it's a 41,000 year cycle and it's basically the change in the axis of the earth relative to the equator of the sun or the ecliptic plane so this you know if you project out the the equator of of the sun where are the planets are orbiting it's it's the change in the earth's tilt relative to that plane change the obliquity of the ecliptic and so on that cycle it's a 41,000 year cycle turns out that he dated it using the star charts of the time at around

2:17:4615,000 BC now his work was was validated in the early 2000s by the Bolivian this is a funny story Bolivian head of archaeology in Bolivia and these astronomers that went there and said let's check Poznansky's work using the astronomical almanac more up to date information and they said yes indeed he's he was correct like if if you assume this was an aligned that can alignment thing this would have lined up right on basically 12,000 years ago 13,000 years ago 10,000 BC or plus 41,000 years I guess for the cycle so and the guy Gustava forgotten his name damn it but the guy who was in charge of the Bolivian Department of Archaeology at the time once he made that announcement lost his job and I don't think it's ever been talked of since like he's yes the official dates for Tionaku haven't changed however these guys also figured out that if you spun

2:18:47it around and you looked from it's also aligned to the sunsets on those solstices so if you go on the west wall and oh sorry you go on the east wall and look west it also perfectly lines with the sun sets you also get the solstices in the center so you know solstices being so equinoxes in the center solstices being the shortest and longest day of the year where the suns furthest north and further south and then equinoxes in the middle so it's perfectly aligned with that but just off kilter a little bit because of that motion of the earth the the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic so it's it's it's it's not an accident put it that way it's not it's not just coincidence that it's that it's aligned this way it was it was set up that way to be a solar observatory and if you look at it with an open mind it's an insane date yeah it is i mean it's 10 even even within this cycle of 10,000 BC i mean that's the young a dross period like this is you know this is and this is actually like you know from the almost famous podcast you ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away but you never actually plan anything that was us until we

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2:20:50most awarded SUV ever jeep grand Cherokee and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and jeep gladiator after 85 years it's no surprise that jeep became America's SUV brand get a great deal during the jeep drive into fall sales event jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand jeep and the jeep grill register trademarts of fca uslc enjoy big savings with red hot deals at vans and albertons this week at vans and albertons baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership wear applicable limit three racks and ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless water melons or canelope are 199 each with digital coupon enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal hurry in these deals won't last visit vans or albertons.com for more deals and ways to save it's a significant mark of fo south america because i can tell you the young drice had a tremendous impact on south america something like 75% of the mega four-neil species in

2:21:51south america when extinct although you are up in their andes they may have been more protected from the the full extent who knows though fires and smoke they would have had the you know the the blackening of the skies and all the rest of it that would have happened during that young drice extinction event but yeah something happened i mean they they again there's been i think there's been a cycle of glaciation and deglaciation in the andes that's affected the lake and and a lot of the stuff up there in particular just because we know that there are structures get this there are structures beneath the waters of lake titticarka today made from red sandstone that match kind of the oldest layers at t1aqu so they might have been made beneath the water so the like level wants to be lower and then the like and then something happened where there a lot of water got added and then temple found on titticarka and this is a two thousand stone anchor what is that word add in add an ammonal six hundred sixty foot long and animal and animal

2:22:56and animal oh stone anchor and animal bones were found amongst our artifact scientists when's the others when's they said it's connected to when's they said they had found beneath south america's lake titticaca in what there's something wrong with this translation look at all these words or jam together even when says titticaca then science is no space i five year old website yeah but it seems weird like it's like recoded or something right after 18 days of diving below the clear waters of titticaca scientists said Tuesday they have discovered a sixty six six hundred sixty foot long one hundred and sixty foot wide temple a terrorist for crops pre-enken road in a two thousand six hundred foot containing wall holy shit yeah i strongly support the hypothesis that was found by the what does that word atah atahalupa atah atah something like that it's a clearly a peruvian word atahalupa two thousand expedition yeah are the ruins of a submerged

2:23:59pre-columbian temple said atwardo pariah uh Bolivian scientists who as among those explored the site around 90 miles northeast of the Bolivian capital of la paas yeah so there's stuff underneath the water says it's filmed yeah film that we see what that looks like i tried to find it yeah i was i just thought this was easier couldn't find a good video oh it's got to be yeah i'm sure it exists somewhere but i have to right yeah oh my god so i said it's made up a 200 dives in a water 65 to a hundred feet deep i'd love to know exactly how deep this is how deep it was because i mean that's a significant change in the level of the lake um so yeah lectitticaca is 12,464 feet above the level is that it's bananas we went and stayed out on an island on the lake with no electricity the sky at night was absolutely phenomenal if you were a gambler how old do you think that is uh i yeah i would put it at least it i'd say at least in that 12 to 15,000 years if not significantly older

2:25:01i think i don't know that there were periods of time in that lake where that level was that low it's that what what's crazy is that there's been a variance like there's there structures beneath the current lake level so the water was lower and then we know from the strand line that the water was just god what is it i think 40 meters almost higher uh then what it is now when it would have been at the shores of tiwanaku so yes and the tilted strand line so if you were talking about tiwan archivism as a gambler i would put it at tens of thousands of years i don't think i don't even i my as in getting this speculation i don't think it fits even within the 10 to 12,000 years site i think it's got to be tens like multiple tens of thousands of years for that to be to be um where it is and in fact when i was there literally like two weeks ago we made some observations that i hadn't made there but i'd spent a bunch of time at tiwanaku um over the years but we figured out that those big pillars of that calisocyte we thought they were endless i think granite the ones on

2:26:04one side they're actually granite and they're very heavily eroded like like again you have that big scoop out of it you can see at the bottom where they were buried um but there's this huge amount of erosion and i just and granite erodes way more slowly than things like limestone so it's just i think the erosional data there needs to be studied because i don't know how long it would take even in that environment which gets more rainfall than place like it is it can rain quite a bit you get these storms but i i i think it takes a long time to erode granite that far and um the stuff that's been exposed and above you know the mud and when there was there was clearly some sort of big mud flood that came in that knocked this stuff down uh the stuff that was been faced down or buried in the mud has been quite well preserved and protected but oh is this the film is it there's like one minute of under one inch that's ink uh whatever that is it looks ink uh uh yeah but the titty kaka underwater archaeology yeah gold incan figurine well the the ink are definitely there in the lake there's the island of the sun island of the moon that's ink uh

2:27:05this was big old dick well you should see that makes reminds me of like the you should have see some of the pottery they make right like they was uh we were make i was making photoshop some of my friends with it there's it's literally like dick and balls and like all these pottery it's they had this whole erotic section of um the lacco museum and it's it's it's always good for a little giggle but so is it seem to see that last exploration has been done at this site yes for sure it's still being slowly excavated but yeah this isn't i mean it's the wheels are grinding slowly they're slowly trying to renovate they're trying to encourage tourism but there's not there's so much of that site that needs to be dug up it's not it hasn't had anything like the attention Egypt has it same sort of pushback against dating for sure but it's the same everywhere yeah yeah so it's like a human characteristic of glitter and control of a narrow well it's tough to explain there's just that they don't want to deal with this possibility of a culture down there that's that old i think it upsets too many other apple carts so to i feel like it's been it's been it's it's kind of been

2:28:08oh we found these carbon dates it this fits kind of the timeline of what the ink has said too because the ink could talk about emerging from Lake Titicaca and going north being pushed out by the umara people and if you think they're okay the ink arrived in the sacred valley from the south around 1200 between 1100 and 1200 AD so therefore they might have been at T1Aku at 1100 AD so that's it's kind of fits that timeline but it doesn't mean anything like the ink could have been down that the T1Aku could have been there forever right i think the ink of shawl that's the timeline for that civilization but it has been established everywhere you see people put a civilization on top of an old road oh that's yeah 100 percent the ink of were like very respectful this is the other thing about the architecture in that part of the world the layers are very respect other than this banished they smashed it all up but the ink are very respectful and trying they tried to rebuild even like where they could rebuild mega-lithic structures they would his a great example they and i also think a great example of why why that there's not possible that the ink had did all of this

2:29:12because it's in such a short period of time again their civilization lasted barely a couple hundred years and there's so much of it of this stonework and and it's just completely night and day difference but so in kusko there were like 13 high-inches these these kings of the ink empire like the the high ink of the big big dude and he had his court with his advisors this the courtman panaka and they and and it was a hereditary thing so the sun would inherit and he'd make his own panakia's own people he'd also have his own palace you couldn't live like the sun couldn't live in the house of the father so they would build another spot in kusko in this city this kusko is crazy city it's like megalithic ink colonial spanish modern all piled up on each other it's it's amazing city but if you actually look at where these uh these courts were like starting with maca cupak the first sort of high-inca around 1200 AD you have the the first seven or eight of these high-inca when they would build their structures and their palace they would rebuild like a megalithic courtyard it'd be

2:30:14these big massive stones or they they inhabit and they repair it they'd have these huge big megalithic courtyards but as soon as they as soon as they switch from I think the eight to the ninth or the seventh to the eighth it's all small cobblestones it's just that all of their court yards like their palaces were made from you know small local stones stuck together with mud mortar it's like well hang on you're saying that if you say that the ink that the ink of built all of this stone then all of a sudden you're saying well between one generation of the next you lost all of this capability to do the fancy stuff the big stuff which doesn't make any sense it's much more likely what they did was they found an abandoned ruined megalithic city they rebuilt it and they ran out of megalithic court yards to to renovate for their next king that's what happened like that so the first bunch of these high-incates have these megalithic court yards and then the next right up to the end they're just they're made from small local cobblestone just like would they just not special enough for the big special stonework or it's just it's in you can't imagine within such a small couple hundred

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2:33:28just $9 limited time only promotion pricing maybe lower than meal pricing I mean I had there's so many amazing Iante Tambos one of my favorite sites down there just because it's so obvious there's these giant 80 90 ton granite blocks that make up this structure and it's fallen apart and then in but like they've tried to move these things and in between them they've just stacked all this little local crappy little stones in between if you have any images that I have the Iante Tambo directory tons of pictures and in fact that's a that's a whole other interesting story because that place is another example of what you see a lot of an Egypt which is this phenomenon of just something happened and they went tools down we're not finished we're like we're in a process of doing stuff and just drop work leave whatever happens cataclysm social clubs something happened because we know a lot about our Iante Tambo it's at the top of a mountain in the sacred valley yes this is a great example of the rocks on top of this

2:34:30stuff yeah but up there's a great little drone video actually one of those video one of the videos in there is a drone shot from the top of this it's at the top of the steep mountain they built this structure no go back one that's at the quarry so I'm standing on one of the stones so yeah that's it there and at the top of this are these giant 80 ton granite blocks that make up this central where they call it a sun temple and we know where those come from it's like if you imagine this giant mountain there's a big old valley to the left of it and then another giant and at the top of that other giant mountain is the quarry for this granite it's about for a five six miles as the crow flies but it's probably like 10 or 12 to walk it and I've walked it we've climbed up to that quarry and all the way along this path they've what are called these tired stones which giant blocks of granite that they just they just they dropped they just left them there tired stone they called the tired stones yeah and in fact there's a row if you see in the very bottom left here there's a road that they built and if you look at some of these other images I'm standing

2:35:34on some of these rocks that's actually this one this is one of the examples they had to build the road around it the modern road around it and this block when you pace it out and measure it it's probably not less than 90 tons of granite and I mean we couldn't I mean shit the equipment to try and move this on this would destroy this road to try and lift this but these there's there's doesn't there's like a dozen or more of these things all the way up to the quarry at Oiente Tango but it's just again it's very obvious that the ink of rebuilt this but something happened here where they went tools yeah these are the big 80 ton blocks in the center of it and this is one of the examples I love to show people it's like okay you're telling me the same people did all of this stonework stuff in the middle and like this little filler work in here yeah if we were going to attach to a timeline it would be yeah way more likely the what you're saying is correct especially when you're looking at it like this yeah look at the massive stones in the way they're cut and then what's above them yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it really is the stuff and what happened

2:36:38and the evidence of the mud that's the other thing for sure yeah at T1Aki yes there was there was a huge and something happening like a cataclysm happening look at these blocks these big blocks scattered around something knocked this structure over and these are huge blocks of stone yeah what what had happened to cause that that's a good example of the Hunan Pacha the carved bedrock you see a lot of this crazy stuff in fact there's also tool marks here like in one of the big Hunan Pacha if you look there's like a cross there's like a grid of cuts in one of these pictures here Jamie that one's nuts because go back look at that one's nuts because it was removed right so people often say well this Hunan Pacha is a quarry I'm like really that's not a I usually I like this as many examples like this where this isn't a quarry how do you make the back if you're trying to take a block of stone out right how are you how you make it a back cut you can't you have to it's to it's like a box you have to cut it out right deliberately shaped and that that block is not it's no now I think it was I think we think we were talking a lot about this most likely it was

2:37:43meant to house something either other stone or something else was going on here this is stuff that since been removed and in fact in one of these pictures there's like a semi-circle with all these cut grid lines in them yeah these are more lazy tied stones out in the fields you go marching around in these corn fields and you find them all over the place down here it's it's great that's so strange it's a very this is the thing here we go so if you zoom in on that so this is up the hill and it's these are cut marks it's like a grid pattern that's been cut into the stone I don't know how with what but you actually you can't see this from the ground and we were super lucky and then there was a huge festival going on in the town and all the guards were at the festival so they'd never let you get up here otherwise we climbed up this half way up in this mountain to get a picture of those cut lines which is again not attributable to the very basic tools that the Inca had right barely in the Bronze Age this is nuts yeah so this is that drone footage also because the guards weren't there they would have gone nuts they'd caught

2:38:47us trodding but oh really they don't like you drowning no no you can't do this why why so many restrictions I mean wouldn't this oldest especially from something like you wouldn't all this encouraged tourism I think you'd think so but it's not the case in fact they're getting worse unfortunately in parts of Peru just in terms of the ropes and the restricted areas you can't go to much you pitch you unfortunately you can't get to the hit the famous hitching post of the Sun or the central central megalithic area just looking at this drone footage there's such a clear difference between the original stone that's below yeah and then the stuff that the more modern people built above it there's such a difference in the way the stone is constructed yeah it's not a day so there's a way I like about so once you see it in South America it's very clear because you just you know again in Egypt you just had a longer ancient civilization that were able to develop higher capabilities than say the Inca did in fact the quarry for this stone is way on that other mountain across the valley at the top you can't quite see it but it's

2:39:51it's you know they hold these big blocks are like over very difficult terrain at high it is a still 10,000 feet and what is the the largest of these stones it'd be a hundred tons at least I mean it's sexy warm on you close to the 200 tons I think at T1 Arco the biggest sandstone block I might be rise is something like almost three four hundred something like that 300 maybe and a big red sandstone block those those cross marks is that the etchings the stone is that the only evidence of two marks no we see now there's particularly in T1 Arco I mean this is actually up at the quarry so this is yeah this is up at the up that other mountain we hiked up and it's probably I can't imagine trying to carry a ton of rocks up here this was hard enough but yeah so in T1 Arco you certainly see a lot more evidence for tool marks in South America you have two billed drills you have all sorts of kind of crazy what look like tool marks and functional

2:40:51aspects of stone in particularly places like the quarry cancher which is the big central structure in Kusko it was this today it's a Catholic church but it's it's megalithic and the inside walls have all and then some of the blocks have been put out and are on display and there's a lot of the inside structures that are still there yeah there's there are similar sort of tube drills that have been cut there is a lot of similarities to some of the tools the tools that you see in megalithic Egypt so there's I think it's an offshoot I mean if I was to bet I would say it's either the same or an offshoot of the same civilization that did the megalithic stuff in the other parts of the world for sure like it's just the megalithic work itself it's just like there's skyscrapers in Tokyo that's it yeah yeah it's like you know some the reductionists and the skeptics will say well it's it's they're solving this you know it's like trying a guy that you want to kill an animal you make a flint arrowhead or whatever right and I can I can understand that process where you you are you are solving a problem and maybe and getting out at the same way however when it comes to

2:41:54walls like stone walls I'm very skeptical that two completely separate cultures found the most difficult the most complex the hardest way to make a stone wall and chose that because that's what megalithic walls are like these giant blocks that are perfectly shaped together that's the thing man in kusko and in these streets when you look at some of them have been shaken apart from earthquakes so you can see the complex like the curve not only is not only does the the light it's not straight so the lines curve where they join the face angles change so it's it's changes this way but also the face angle changes and they perfectly match just it's it's mind-boggling to understand how they might have actually put those stones together this is it why it does lead people to the geopolymer ideas or stone softening my buddy kyle brothers of the servant podcast who travels with this he has a great idea that it was it might have been a resonance thing where you're actually resonating and and and grinding stones together slowly where so they once you know you

2:43:00basically they'll match eventually if you're just like grinding their jewelers tools like they do similar things you can cut through you know they do it on real small stones but you can cut through granite with a star shape or whatever with with these jewelers tools that get to the right resonant frequency and they just sort of grind through like an ultrasonic drill or something that cuts and just vibrates its way through if you turn it off while it's in there it's like Excalibur right it's it's stuck in the stone real tight you have to have this but you know obviously you're talking some advanced technological capability to be able to vibrate a 50 ton stone to make it grind into its neighbor but it's about the most plausible thing I've heard because I can't imagine that this was done by we lift it up we measure it we mark the high spots we rub it down we take you know we put it back up and it's just saying this for stones that are 150 tons is this not it's not happening like yeah let's pull up some images of what you're talking about these very bizarre shapes that they're perfectly matched to fit into each other like a jigsaw puzzle I think in the south america director that Jamie there'll be some walls some of the

2:44:03walls in the streets of the speculation is that they did it in these shapes to protect against earthquakes one of them that's the korea cancha keep going there's the wavy lines this yeah this stuff right this stuff this is like the incaroka wall and there's probably some pictures of the broken sections where you can see these inside joins that sexy warm on so it's the same thing just a much bigger scale weird yes some weird bizarre stuff weird stuff go back to the curvy what's the curvy ones back the way yeah that one just one that one yeah so that's nuts man what are the nubs yeah I don't know no one knows right we talked about the nubs endlessly yeah people all sorts of speculation like people have geopolimer explanations for them people have you know there a lot of people try to say they're lifting bosses and I that's not how that this they would flip over they're not in the right place this is actually a good idea from the almost famous podcast you ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away but you never actually plan anything that was

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2:47:11be left with it in a splitting or a wedge and feather approach is a nub like you can imagine you can't imagine these stone faces splitting and leaving these bloody nubs that are on all of these walls right so they're formed they're formed either deliberately formed or their result of some other process we don't know but they're not the result of this sort of primitive quarrying method they they I don't know what they are but they're on everything and that's another it's another that they leave them there as well right they're in Egypt too like they're on the like if you compare that wall to like the third pyramid the men car pyramid it's exactly the same I mean it looks exactly the same the pillowy appearance on the out not like unfinished what's finding an image of that men car pyramid yeah they're granite it's just it's so weird because they're they're not in a uniform position either no and and you know with this you find examples there's been surface wear on a lot of this stone there was there's plenty of examples where it was very finely like reflective and polished originally so there's been spalling on the surface it's

2:48:13it feels rough today but there are sections yeah so this is this is Mankara pyramid looks the same it's same kind of thing yeah nubs but a little larger in some places those are big ones but there's other ones that are smaller very much like that yeah that that Facebook picture there I guess is is a good nub picture but they're even in in Mankara there's some evidence that they were flattening some surfaces of the pyramid whether or not they intended to flatten the whole thing we don't know funnily enough they have actually found that there's probably another hidden entrance to this behind that blank flatten wall there on the the turkey today air filled anomalies under Mankara pyramid yeah so there's a this is on the well that'd be eastern side I guess of the pyramid the yeah the eastern side where the pyramid temple is the entrance is in the north but there's a flatten part of this wall on the eastern side and they've been hitting that with like a ground like a radar thing and they found that there are some anomalies behind there so they might well be an entrance

2:49:15behind this wall yeah that looks a little odd like that wall looks a little different than the surrounding stone well for sure and then there's some evidence that they had a patch like that we one of the hypotheses again I got a credit um call and rust from brothers construction guys so they look at this stuff and they have a great theory about this because on all there's a lot of the decaicing stones are missing on the back but we found blocks that were smooth like that with the angle for the other side so what I think there were probably four patches like that now what you could be one possible explanation for this is like well you you very carefully grind and finish a section on each side because that sets your angle once you set your angle you can use that patch as a reference point to then basically try to finish the whole rest of the pyramid at that exact angle so you've got to start somewhere you you met you very carefully set your angle correctly on that patch and then you can you can use that as a reference to then smooth out the rest of the surface which you say smooth out in places is this much granite you've got to remove

2:50:19like a photo granite's got to come off these stones to get down to that level they're so pillowy pillowy it's granite I mean I just it boggles the mind it's like that was scoop it's like this they were using that scooping tool or whatever to do it are there competing theories as to what the nubs are for other than like using it to lift the stones somehow yeah um you know some people suggest some of them may have been like little mean the what the really preach there are different types of nubs the subtle ones not all workers lifting nubs some people say in the geopolitium world where they say well stones were were formed or cast they'll say well these are like a heat expansion points I've heard good theories from certain people that suggest it had something to do with the mass of the stone like a resonant frit like as you change the mass of a stone it's whatever resonant frequency it has might alter because you also have scoops you have nubs and you have scoops so you seem to have this reduction of mass and then there's more mass in another place

2:51:19so maybe it had something to do these are different theories I've heard I don't have a good explanation for them it's so weird how it never comes up again in human history yeah we don't we don't make stuff with nubs it's weird it is really weird well it's a commonality to one of those other indicators it's like hey this is the same but how come this is the same isn't it in Japan as well huh yeah there's places in Japan I mean there's this is a place I want to I've been there I've just not explored all those sites yes there's some really megalithic stonework in in Japan it actually matches a lot of the stuff in Peru see if you can find some of that jambi please yeah what's that bro looking at different oh wow where's that that looks like turkey turkey yeah turkeys in another one those are more consistent nubs I would say they're more a little more this is actually like nanny from the almost famous podcast you ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away but you never actually plan anything that was us until we did something fun and spontaneous we went to resort pass calm there are hundreds of hotel resorts pools and spots and

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2:54:31some sort of calendar these this is part of the korea cancher uh they're big square ones I don't know what that's for that they're different again um what is your take on that um siege wall in Montana I haven't been there and seen it I've been wanting to weird um I've heard differing opinions on that like it's it's possibly I'd like to see it for myself to be honest uh I've seen some what do you mean China China that looks like Yangtzean yeah that's Yangtzean korea and they're giant that's giant too by the way the Yangtzean korea is thousands of tons like if they'd ever cut that block off it's something like I don't know some astronomical oh yeah I watched a piece on this yeah that's yeah see it there it's monstrous what is the timeline of this stuff uh I believe I don't know off the top of my head maybe Jamie you can find out that's great I mean dynasty right yeah they they say the story on that is like like some ruler said like carve me a dragon they're like sure boss and they started trying to get this block out and then eventually some foreman went yeah

2:55:31maybe we can't deal with this stone anymore and they left it doesn't seem real plausible to me um that's the size of the Yangtzean korea over my god yeah thousands of tons that and nothing what they were doing there I do not know and I do not know when they did it a bit that's the weird things there's so many yeah sites those nubs that would be what they're huge huge nubs yeah they're different but it's like what do they represent well so one another option I mean something else I've heard is that that in some places they could have been mounting points for something that was grabbing them or hanging on to them some tool to finish the wall that was another theory or structure around them yeah a structure from the beast and now the Japan ones Jamie do you find anything do you get a japan magellas maybe a bit I mean India the the baraba caves is another one of these mysteries that fits this box do you ever heard of the baraba caves in India no oh my lord that's a whole other these are in Japan this is Japan yeah this one in

2:56:34particular the whoa look on that one that you just had your curse on that's I think that's AI is it that thing looks like the one the one the one trans kitchen it's on the left just next to it the the medium one that's definitely that's that's then below it actually is a better picture the asuka megaliths yeah so this matches a lot of the stuff in perutomy and even the imperial palace um the cornerstones and corner blocks of the imperial palace there the wall is a very megalithic whoa and in fact it's funny they've they've actually been digging up the foundations my wife was there recently and then they they've gone underground and they've found like original foundations and big walls and they've just they've just opened some of that up to the public um yeah some of this is some of this is very I mean this is totally peru Hunanpacha if this is legit wow yeah it matches right it's the same yeah the same kind of stuff yeah and that's what's weird it's like is this a traveling civilization is civilization uniform all around the world a certain

2:57:40point in time he was global yeah I think it was global we're looking at the remnants of it either look at that oh my god offshoots of it too um it's a bit of an LA potentially just that James the giant boulder in LA at the museum you know it's like sitting over the tunnel you know I'm talking about that like oh no I don't remember it I try to block lack my own look oh wow kind of what is this like a well LA sculpture museum of modern art it's you go there it's like this is a plexiglass box it's amazing yeah it's with a banana peel in it right kind of shit yeah yeah I'm not a fan I'm not you know it's for dorks looks similar yeah kind of you're right yeah it's but not it's cool it's a yeah that one's cooler and obviously wave fucking older it's just so weird how these megalithic structures are so consistent whoa look at that one that's nuts there's that there's something like looks like Cambodia potentially Thailand well that was the other thing that we pulled up

2:58:44yeah the other day the temple in India the one that's cut entirely yeah the mountain okay starts with a cave yeah yeah that's one yeah that there's there's a lot in India it's another place but that's there's made from granite like that it's cut out of granite what if you look up bar bar caves that's also in India these are put my friend Patrice Poyade who runs a filmmaking company in France has done an amazing documentary on barra bar and they've scanned them and these these are caves cut into big granite outcroppings that are just massive perfect on the inside like it's mirror finished granite within like a thousandth of an inch flatness on the insides and they have these crazy shapes to some of them have these circles but then have a whole other room in the back that's circular and he that's an unfinished one that's that's like a doorway please dreamy like upper left yeah right there like that's nuts man that's a lot of that

2:59:44the decoration there is added that's probably later again it's the writing came later the original doorways probably that one so the elephants yeah over the top that's leader yeah for sure there's a natural attribution of these is to there was supposedly owned by a particular king who gave them to like a religious cult to get out of the rain but it's he doesn't say anything about about him making them they just oh wow if you go to the ins the insides is what's impressive in here it's the finishing of the granite they're mirror finished and it turns out with the scans what they found is that are also like almost perfectly symmetrical like the they're not straight they they they tilt in it like a degree and a half exactly on both sides there it's some of the most precision precise like work in granite in single piece against one of those things where you can't make a single mistake and I mean this this is not this is an imitation like this is a later attempt to replicate it yeah look at that the cow patty hammer whatever the one the two in the middle

3:00:47there yeah so this is and you literally it's it's reflects I mean the acoustics in there are incredible but this is granite and it's been polished to this mirror finish and then it's also been measured for flatness and geometry and it's it's insanely accurate they've been a whole a whole series of documentaries done you can see they're mirror finishing it and nobody knows there's nothing else quite like this anywhere it's it's like giant stone boxes look at the size of that one the carved into a mountain carved into a granite outcropping amount exactly yeah there's seven or eight of them all in the same area really hard to get to it's like you got a ruffet and camp and stuff to get out there but it's and it's on my list like what's the conventional explanation how they did this they don't mean it's lit there are literally other examples of people hammering on them with like trying to make replicas with the tools of the time they and then it just jumps to this and it's just there's no explanation for it other than they will they they did it in order to let this religious sect out of the rain that's and because it's literally

3:01:49some of the some of the really poorly inscribed the right you know select Egyptian stuff it's like somebody hammered this text right Sanskrit or whatever it is and it says oh you know this was this king gave this to these guys to get out of them on soon it's the ancient version of kill Roy was here yeah exactly yeah oh kill Roy built this yeah yeah yeah wild little Timmy on this guy's great I've never seen that before that's that's baraba yeah I have completely insane I Patrice actually have his full documentary on my channel with people wanted to go with the giant statue outside is the Oya quarry in Japan in Japan whoa so the band and quarry whoa oh this is like I saw we were in a quarry like this in Turkey it was absolutely incredible oh look at the in relationship to the sides of the people that were walking this is assault quarry or is it limestone I can't tell a lot of them assault cabins but we were inside so you have big cabin you have big quarries like this underground quarries in China we were in Turkey and this

3:02:54I have this amazing footage from this massive underground quarry caves that were carved in in Turkey when we were there in the look at this title scientists discover this structure in Japan they claim humans could never have built medium how's that how could humans have never built a quarry yeah clicks oh yeah just getting clicks you sons of bitches that's the game someone did it no one saying that's not humans just saying something was going on back then where they were way more advanced than we want to give them credit for yeah and when you take into account the younger dry sandpack theory and the natural catastrophes that undoubtedly have fallen many a civilization in the past yeah it all kind of makes sense it's just it's weird how many people resist it this is actually a kinetic from the almost famous podcast you ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away but you never actually plan anything that was us until we did something fun and spontaneous we went to resort past calm there are hundreds of hotel resorts pools and spots and

3:03:58private beaches that you can enjoy you can spend the day at a luxury resort pool spa massage without booking an overnight stay and listen I may have only been like 15 minutes from home but it felt like it was a whole different world and I'm thinking this is exactly what I needed so just go to resort past calm choose your resort choose your day luxury resort day passes start at just $25 once you post your daycation people are gonna ask where you are good resort past calm slash almost famous and use the promo code almost famous to get $20 off when you spend $100 that's code almost famous at resort past calm slash almost famous enjoy big savings with red hot deals at vans and Albertsons this week at vans and Albertsons baby back pork ribs are 299 per pound with membership wear applicable limit three racks and ballpark hot dogs or hamburger buns eight count are 299 with digital coupon plus personal seedless watermelons or cantaloupe are 199 each with

3:05:00digital coupon enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal hurry in these deals won't last visit vans or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save McDonald's is putting value back on the menu whether you're craving a big Mac McNuggets or sausage egg and cheese McGrittle's make it a meal and save your favorite is now your wallet's favorite two extra value meals are back get a big something extra with a big Mac or 10 piece McNuggets fries and a medium coke all for just $9 limited time only promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing that's the weird part it's like they they want to cling so tightly to their preconceived notions of the history of the human race it's it's a weird thing isn't it like the history of civilization is one of those things that hasn't changed a whole lot in about a hundred years like the idea that civilization started with the Samarins the Mesopotamians 6,000 years ago and now we're here that that idea has

3:06:02been around for a long time and it's just everything else around it has has shifted such that mean my I hope I really do hope that it's just that there's that the context that the next generation of academics can take some of this context into account I think I think a lot of them are growing up listening to stuff like your show I think I think that's going to help because there's a lot of people that are getting into archaeology now a lot of young people that are a little bit more open-minded and then they also encounter some of these very arrogant professors and people that have these ridiculous ideas and think that they should be the absolute gatekeeper of information which is so crazy because universities are a fairly new concept the idea that these people that are running these universities they should be in charge of something this is a new thing they should be in charge they're the only ones that could figure it out they're they have the paper that's written their name is written it's framed on the wall you shut the fuck up you got the letters that that is literally insane because you're dealing with something that it is not possible

3:07:05for everyone to know and you're not as into it as they are the thing is about like they are not as into these ideas as you are you know what I'm saying like you are chasing this shit down there's not a lot you are in Soz Jimi Corsetti and Soz Graham Hancock and so are many many other people in Randall Carlson and and John Anthony West of Reston Peace when he was alive he was awesome those people chasing down these ideas are way more into it than the people that are gatekeeping the information and they don't want to accept anything other than what they've been teaching and what they've been writing about yeah it's you're right there's there's a lot of I mean that it's it's amazing that the the medium has shifted to give people a voice I guess that that are in it and you know my friend George Howard has a great way of explaining this in terms of a potential like talent pool if you consider like okay so you current academics at least the ones that are the old guard now are kind of been selected from the people that chose to go to universe that got into universities and you have this pool but now with the kind of the internet

3:08:09and it's like you're exposing these ideas to such a wider variety of people that you can then there's gonna be people out there that think about these things a certain way assess polymaths assess polymaths that are gonna be able to come forward and give those ideas and you know it's I think you know the vast majority of significant breakthroughs and pretty much any scientific field have usually come from somewhere that's it's not within the box think it's it's usually anti-establish or it's outside the box thinking not always but a lot of those ideas came from like this has come complete from left field like germ theory all that sort of stuff it's like what are you crazy because there's dumb idea and then turns out you know 30 40 years later it's like that was the right idea and we go from there I mean that I I'm hopeful as well that yeah the next generation of academics will be able to embrace a lot of these the context for some of these and then try to explore them because I think ultimately that's what's needed is is some take some of these ideas seriously and and bend some of our resources to try and

3:09:12explore them on the ground and in full because there's any you know ultimately it's the people that have the control and are able to do the real on the ground research are the ones that will be able to confirm or you know change it but it takes real science in a lot of cases and also we're currently obsessed with our impact on the environment which is not a bad thing it's a good thing to be conscious and aware of our pollution and our emissions and all that good stuff but if we were absolutely certain that civilization has been utterly destroyed by something that is outside of our capacity to control probably a good idea to know that that's happened yes 100% and to deny the possibility of even exploring that concept because people are gonna get their feelings hurt because you know they were because they're so bitchy to each other that's the craziest thing you find out about these academics they are so bitchy to each other when anybody has any sort of an idea it's had a redox any sort of an idea that's outside of the narrative that they've been teaching

3:10:14forever they attack each other's reputation yeah they're a little sociopath it is vicious it's well that's the version of the fight I guess it's their the mean letters and the yeah it's you know what I mean that's weird it is kind of weird it's but they're also in today's day and age of these shows where like your show and all these other ones that we mentioned it's there's there's there's a much more attractive approach to these ideas you know where people are not like bitchy authoritarians but they're rather people that are absolutely fascinated by something that is undeniable size these stones the similarity to them all over the world all these different mysteries the fact that many of them are covered in mud the fact that enormous stones look they've been knocked off by some immense force yeah stuff those left just left there in the middle of construction nobody ever picked it up nobody ever finished it like what happened yeah and it's it's really only not that long since we've had the ability to apply some of these disciplines to

3:11:14these problems like engineering you know it's it's since the industrial revolution that we've even had the enough background knowledge to kind of understand these problems because we have to solve them ourselves or like think about how Christopher Don approach is the idea of the great pyramid itself like no one would have ever been able to do that 200 years ago that's what I'm saying yeah like he did 100 percent that's that's it's it's these other disciplines that have a whole different take on it then it's again not a criticism of archaeologists to say they're not engineers they're not engineers it's just yeah it's fact they don't you don't it's like I'm not a dentist like no much you know what I mean I can't solve those problems exactly no one can solve all problems yeah but hey dentist might have some input on some of these you know what I mean like sure you could you can I think a lot of these problems are multi-disciplinary as well I'm saying like there's right there's a lot of different approaches and angles to them that lead to submit pretty interesting places funny because my dentist is obsessed with UFOs oh really super smart guy obsessed with UFOs trying to talk about it every time he's like doing what do you think what do you think that

3:12:15is it's fun it's fun it's fun to talk to him I'll bet yeah yeah what else you gonna think about while you it is filling on someone but it is a subject that is so important for us I mean I mean I'm watching the Ken Burns documentary right now in the Revolutionary War and it's really great awesome amazing fascinating to look back at this very recent history relatively speaking to terms of the timeline of the earth and then just realize like that ain't shit it yes and that's one of the reasons I did chose me to is why it's I think that's a big factor in why this is important is is it I it's altruistic but I do believe that having if we could change that that pillar of humanity from like well we were Stone Age and now we're a space age to this cyclical nature of we've been here we've not been knocked down yeah be aware of the dangers like solve the longer term I do genuinely think that a whole generation that's exposed to that that has that inbuilt as they're like hey backer knowledge of what it means to be human then maybe we we would solve those problems

3:13:16yeah maybe that's a constant test every 12,000 plus years we seems like it yeah it does seem like and it seems like no one's really solved it yet you know and we probably get a little smarter every time we do it but it tastes forever and it probably sucks for a long time well it seems like it's not every 12,000 years or so is like there's definitely been events that that are orders of magnitude greater than anything we've experienced in our last several millennia yeah you know like a you know a thousand katrinas or whatever it is kind of thing like evidence of like things like the tungusco event where like something a little bit more a little more than we've experienced before happens but nothing compared to what has experienced we've experienced or the earth has experienced in the past no for sure we've not we've yeah we've had we've had nothing but it does that if you go back the last several a couple hundred thousand years it is has this periodic odyssey it seems like it does for some reason align with some of those those 12,000 years and 26,000

3:14:18years kind of cycles it's weird how that happens it's including the depictions of Atlantis and the fall of Atlantis well yeah I mean it's all that exactly lines on with the time lines up with the timelines it does dude your show is fucking awesome I love it I look forward to it every time you put a new episode out I really love it and I love every time you come in here and let's make this a regular thing I love that it's my favorite show I love this like I fucking love this subject so much it's so engaging it's so exciting you know for whatever reason there's just part of the the human fascination with the past that gets ignited in me and it's it's so I think the audience feels the same way it's like it's so intriguing and I think you're right and I think Jimmy Corsetti's right and Graham handcuffs right I think all these people are right I think there's more to this story than we're being spooned fat thank you very much sir I like pleasure brother uncharted X it's on YouTube subscribe like and subscribe it's fucking amazing and then you what is your Instagram it's uncharted X1 on Twitter and uncharted X7 on Instagram okay I should probably fix

3:15:24that but it is what it is okay yeah long as it's not 6 7 that's the new thing with the kids these days oh no yeah I'm done about all that yeah I've heard about it yeah thank you appreciate you very much thank you bye everybody thank you bro yeah oh shamea yeah yeah we can throw back in yeah actually about a real quick yeah yeah you want to talk about the shamea I can 100% unend it sorry folks we unended it we unended it because Jamie had sent me this earlier today Solomon Shameer yeah the shamea so you are familiar with it I am okay yeah so this is an ancient idea that there was a worm or a substance that had the power to cut through and disintegrate stone iron and diamond and Solomon is said to have used it in the building of the first temple in Jerusalem in place of cutting tools for the construction of Solomon's temple which promoted peace it was inappropriate to use tools that could also cause war and bloodshed yep there's also I found since we've been since I sent that to you there is a actual thing called a Lithuania or something what that different

3:16:31the Philippines that does yeah it's some sort of rock eating worm yeah yeah the shamea is like Solomon's lot saber like to call it yeah it's it's it is described that the shameer is is is described as a stone cutting whoa that thing ate through that the just so that the guy found it said he'd never heard of the shameer huh and some scientists don't know if they're even the same thing but they do they're described very similarly what a creepy looking mother fucker that thing is a rock eating little worm like grinding stone that's crazy it's there are a number of different depictions and descriptions for the shameer and and one of the re one of the problems with it being like this this thing that slowly grinds through uh yeah see this is the weird part shameer has been wrapped in more and stored in a container made of lead oh I the other container would burst and disintegrate so it's like under the shameer's ginsers so we describing

3:17:36how we describing radiation like what are we describing well it gets into the it gets into the realm of the ark of the covenant and everything else too right and stored in lead that's not and then it lost its potency yes right after which I don't the dripping of the honeycomb I don't know what that by the time of the destruction the first temple during the siege of Jerusalem and 500 BC yes but again it still exists they found it today like 2019 I think because well they found a worm that does something similar very similar worm that he was evolutional maybe they had a giant one that is just like fucking maybe they could have trained them like some of the trained pigeons he had to do it fine ants we one of the things too he was they had to build that temple soulman quickly so that he was like we need this we can't use the regular methods but we also need to be able to cut stone quickly so one of the things that shameer was described as doing is being able to cut these sort of hard stones like I think it described like diamond even yeah as the blood of the shameer was used for diamonds but this also said he was not he didn't

3:18:37find it it was given given to him a bird found it a bird a bird someone noticed a bird was using it to make nests and rock and they're like let's take let's let's get the hold of that so yeah there's some people also speculated that there is a bird that vomits this thing or poops this thing that look at this which can melt rock the angel of the sea had then given the shameer to a bird yes identified by the Talmud as a hoopy yeah but it's the it's the oldest but isn't this I believe this is like the we had to go to several birds which were also these like spirits he talked to but and I think you have to get to the very late very last one so lightsaber they go from aliens it's a world from a bird it's a lightsaber from alien radioactive alien lightsaber all right and this is actually like natty from the almost famous podcast you ever notice you and your spouse

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