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1:02Hiring now, then this is a job for indeed sponsored jobs. Where would you have your six or stars ranked in the NBA at their respective positions? Well, that's what we're going to talk about today here on the PHY 6 is podcast live. The Xfinity lounge. It is Derek and Devon along with three the president of basketball operations. Kyle has the Friday off. It's also all for Monday. Everybody so it's going to be a three of us. And you we appreciate it as always. We are presented by of course to good people. Rockman North to pedics visit Rockman or throw dot com slash PHY to learn more a little news and notes a little bit later. And season four episodes one through five of Game of Thrones. Rewind the tape later on in this episode of PHY 6 is podcast.

2:06You know, Devon, we spend a lot of time talking about the Bronze Games. Pretty much the last two months have been devoted almost entirely to him. But we've got another king to talk about later on in this episode. So we will do that a little bit later in the show. So for right now, we're going to say it. We're not going to do it until the end of the show. We do have to give the disclaimer. No spoilers until we talk about it. Yes. In the latter part of this show here today. So we'll see you all there. What up reef? What up fill? What's going on? Meekho and again, S.W.A.V. This is going to be a spoiler heavy discussion. So if you haven't caught up through season four, episode five of Game of Thrones, which sadly it breaks my heart to say, includes your own producer, Bree. I'm so sorry. You're going to want to you're going to want to tune out when we start. But that's why we're doing it in the first place because Bree and I haven't seen it. So you know, it is what it is. But how many years later when did it start? When did it end? 2011 started 2019 then.

3:08All right. So that's a good run where people yeah, I feel like if you weren't going to watch it, you probably yeah, you weren't going to watch it. So here we are. We're doing it, of course, because this has become part of our show as our big brothers, big sisters, donations that we were taking, trying to raise money for the fundraiser. And here we are where we are now on season four. Episodes one through five will do episode six through 10 next week. All right. This is what we're going to do today. We said episodes one through five and six through 10 of season four. Well, we got to talk about the top 10 of positional rankings. Thanks to a hoop type. We got a good friend, Mike Skado over there. He did not do these rankings. I saw somebody else on the byline of these rankings. And maybe I need to go in there and just kind of double check and make sure Mike didn't have his hand in some of these. But that said hoop hypes hoop type has done their annual preseason rankings for the NBA's positions point guard shooting guard small forward, power forward and center. And this is where I still do love it there because while there are a lot of people who

4:12dismiss rankings. I mean, positions if you will in the seasons. I still like this part. Sure. Where it's a conversation piece of who's the best shooting guard who's the best small forward. We're not going wings. We're just talking straight up positions. And that's where we are right now for these positions. Now hoop type has only done so far point guards, shooting guards and small forwards. They have not done power forwards or center where we would expect LeBron James and Joellen B to be in those respective positions. So right now, this is where we are right now point guards, shooting guards and small forwards. Do you have any disclaimers that you want to get out of the way before we start things off? And I would say we'll probably start with point guards here. Disclaimers in terms of just the conversations that we're having here of, you know, not jumping ahead or anything of the point guard shooting guards or small forwards. Yeah, I mean, look, I think for the most part, you're probably more pro rankings than I am.

5:14For the most part, I don't really care. I care about getting as much talent as you can and crucially making sure whether or not they fit arguing whether somebody is the 11th best shooting guard or the 12th best shooting guard isn't really in my wheelhouse. But I think it really is, you know, it says something that I guess we'll get a spoiler out of the way. You've got a top 10 player at every position so far. Yeah, you do. And that was surprised that you did. And that is pretty incredible to put a squad like that together, especially with one of those, one of the people, or one of the positions that we'll talk about today being a new edition. And I'm sure one of the players that we'll talk about when the power forwards come out being a new edition as well. It's a pretty incredible turnaround and it's a really exciting time to be a six. All right, so let's jump right into it. If we can, it'd be good to go for the point guards right away. Let's start with the point guards and let's start with your all star, your all NBA point guard and Tyree's maxi. So here's where Hoops hype has the top 10 point guards will maybe give you 1112.

6:18Just, just be conversation piece in general. But Tyree's maxi he jumps in right away Derek as the fifth best point guard in the NBA, according to Hoops hype. Shay Gildes, Alexander number one, Luca Donetson number two, Kate Cunningham, third, Jalen Brunson, the finals MVP number four, sixth is Steph Curry right behind Tyree's maxi, Tyree's Haliburton coming off of the Achilles injury. He is seventh, Jamal Murray, all star for the first time this past season. He ranks eighth James Hardin, nine, Trey Young, who basically missed the entire season and traded to the Washington Wizards. He falls in at number 10 to round out the top 10 point guards in the NBA. So starting off with Tyree's maxi will get to should he be elsewhere, should other players maybe move around, shuffle the deck a little bit for the point guard position. It's Tyree's maxi ranked properly for the point guards courtesy of Hoops hype. It feels about right. It does. You can't, you can't put him ahead of SGA, Luca, Kate or Brunson. Not especially not after the postseason Brunson just had.

7:22No, there are a lot of people in the regular season last year making that argument. But you can't after what happened in the playoffs, you just can't make that argument right now. Maybe in two or three years as maxi continues to develop. But right now you would have to go. Brunson and likewise, Steph, first of all, Steph is still being sixth. Like we talk a lot about Lebron at 41. Steph is 38 years old and he is still ranked sixth. And by the way, he should be ranked six because he average 26.6 points, five assists and was an incredibly efficient player. Just bar none. But when you add in a that he was 37 and is now 38. And B, they have so little talent around him and he is still at his age in offense, completely unto himself. It is absolutely wild. But would you have Steph Curry, Tyrese, maybe switch positions there's switch spots five six or this is fine. I think it's fine. That's it. Play all Scott to the second round. He did his part. Steph Curry did not do that for his team. This is where they are. I think it's fine. But I think you can make the argument.

8:24Especially if you were projecting forward, you would say, all right, old Tyrese is obviously way younger. You expect his productivity even in the face of they add a lot of talent, even still his ability to produce. You don't expect to decline. Maybe his production will decline, but his ability to produce. You don't expect to decline. And Steph, look, he's 38. At some point, Father time does catch up to everyone. Except it's amazing that he and Lebron have been able to push that back as well as they have. You know, like I said, I think you can make a case for either one. I would probably go maxi ahead at this point. I think that's fair. Okay. So just a few of the comments that we already have here in the chat, just looking at it right away. We do see that top five love Tyrese and he might improve more this season, but top five point guard is a little rich for me. That's from Slim Reaper. No, no, says robbed. You have central independence as maxi

9:24at five seems fair right now. So like I figured who was out. And he also says, LOL, I might put Steph five. No, Steph, I think there's a real argument there. I think there's a real debate. Like I said, just fact that one is 38 and there's a risk of decline is probably why I would probably argue maxi five, but based on what happened last year, I would not push back on Steph being five at all. But beyond that, like there was somebody I forget who was arguing he should be lower. Like who? Seven is Halberton coming off of a major knee injury that you don't know how he's going to react. Murray just had a dreadful playoffs and starting to look like his athletic limitations might be catching up. Harden is older and slowing down. Trey is a gosh darn disaster on defense. Who are you putting out of max outside of Steph? No, there's I don't think there's any real argument. No, I think that it's either five or six. So if you go six and you put Trey's maxi there, again, what's the argument? It's be the only argument is because as you said, Steph Curry is still just that good. It's insane. But maxi was just that good last year. He was he was that good a season ago where

10:31if he's five, I'm not arguing because we're respecting the top four enough where we say he's not over SGA Luca, Cunningham or Brunson five is right. But if you want to if you want to, you know, get a little picky and say Steph Curry should be five instead of six. Then all right, I get it. But that's how good Trey's maxi is. And that just gets to the point to Derek where we've seen Trey's maxi in a lot of different roles in his career where he's played off ball next to James Harden. He's come off the bench. He's played both roles off the bench in his rookie season. And he's also been the point guard for these last couple of years where we've talked about his assists numbers and where he's gotten it in terms of a playmaker for this basketball team. The heavy burden that he has had to carry when Paul George last two seasons and Joel and Beat, of course, since the time that Trey's maxi has elevated into that all star conversation has had to really shoulder the load as the scoring guard and as the point guard to set things up to see him though in the top five conversation. And even in the conversation where we're still

11:32talking about Steph Curry, where he is at this point of his career. That's just the testament to the work that Trey's maxi has been able to put in over the course of these first six years going into year number seven to be in conversation. Number one is an all NBA player for the first time 13. What we were discussing should have been top two and for majority of the year, we were also looking at him as a first team all NBA guard because of how good he was. He fell into the third. That's no knock on him. That's just simply how good the point guard position is. And the fact that he is now in that conversation with these all high level guards. This stage of his career going into year number seven. So that's no knock on Trey's maxi. That's just uplifting him because of how good he has been. Yeah, and that really is like when we start looking at some of these positions, the point guard spot is there's so much top end. Like so much you start looking at the shooting guard after you get past the first two or three names, they start getting flawed. Good, but flawed. The point guards and small forwards to a small forward, small forward, small forward, which we'll get to soon

12:36had some really good depth. But man, the point guard spot is just stuck. We're still talking elite when you're top six. Yeah, no, I know there's an even seven when Halliburton before he got hurt. Just let's see the finals. Yeah, right. That is only only dropped because of injury concerns. So yeah, ranking fifth, I think, is a great ranking. Like I said, I care way less about who would you take maxi or Steph? It doesn't really matter because the Warriors are like neither team is making that switch trade. Quite frankly, like these players don't get traded for each other. I'm happy that you have someone. I'm happy you have someone who is that impactful of a player. And like we mentioned earlier, I'm happy that you have someone who is that adaptable and flexible and malleable that you can go out there and you know, some nights when maybe LeBron or in Bedar out, you can go out there and carry your offense. Some nights, he might be taking more of an off ball roll because you have other guys who have matchups they can exploit. He can succeed in both those roles. And that is he really is one of the more adaptable players in the NBA. He really

13:38is. And if as you talk about changing, if let's say just for fun, say conversation wise, that we say golden state and Philadelphia swap players and they went there. Steph Curry is still going to be elite here in this role. And Tyree's maxi will still be an all star level point guard that we were talking about out west. Yep. For the golden state Warriors. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Not even close. Not even close. So as we look at the rest of the top 10, breathe. You don't mind one more just throwing that graphic up for maybe people just jumping in. There was a question a little bit earlier. Isn't Tyree's Halliburton a point guard. It was just that on the screen. It was covered that they didn't see Halliburton at seven. So once again, the top 10 with maxi at five SGA, don't you. Cunningham, Brunson, those are the top four with maxi at five. Curry, Halliburton, Murray, Harden, young, rounding out the top 10 questions about. Trey young in the top 10 in the chat. Do you have any problems with as we said, top six elite, you can even include Halliburton. Yes, he's coming off the

14:43coming off the injury, but he was so good. And it starts to fall off a little bit that you could see where he still is top seven. What about the rest of the top 10? Because you can even look at it at 11. Yeah, a rookie at 11. Yeah. And Dylan Harper, who was ranked 11th ahead of Fox. Well, you have Peterson at 13 too. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, look, I think the, especially the back half of this group could change pretty much. And Trey, I think if Trey doesn't get his stuff together, not over time yet, I think you could see him fall. Like Lamello, if he stays healthy, I think you could see him move up. Obviously Peterson and Harper, you could see move up. Harper is still in a weird spot. He might not start, but he's ranked ahead of, he's in his list. He's ranked ahead of his teammate and Max contract guy in Fox. So yeah, I think you could see a lot of these change pretty quickly. Yeah. The Trey young thing really for me, I was a little surprised. I thought James Harden would be in the top 10. And he should have been. Team got to the Eastern Conference finals. He was a big part of that, especially switching conferences, switching teams. And he's still just a

15:47seamless fit there with the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Trey young piece because of leaving Atlanta and Atlanta being so good even after he left and then going to Washington where he didn't play, we just don't know what Trey young looks like right now. Personally. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you did see him play like it wasn't his defense. And even look, it's honestly despicable. What's his mind even in it? Was he really into the Atlanta? No, I'm not. You know, that might be one of those things where you just kind of, yeah, defense. All right. He's already not good defensively. So I'm still going to just let these cats go right by me. They're just going to get by me on defense and then offensively. He just wasn't all that good. Think you can kind of see the writing on the wall there already where the conversation and his extension. That was a big talking point with the Atlanta Hawks. Are they going to do it? Are they not going to do it? He did ultimately get it with the Washington Wizards. But I was surprised to see him at number 10 because quite frankly, we did not see him during the season. And then Harper, I was a little surprised by that of 1113 for Peterson to your point. Little surprise to see him there. But that rounds out

16:52top 13 for Hoops Hipes ranking of the top 10. And in this case, top 13 for the point guards in the NBA. So again, if you just join us, this list is courtesy of Hoops Hipes and their preseason rankings at the positions point guard here. First, we're going to get to shooting guard. You want to do shooting guard or you want to do small forward next? Well, let's go right down the list. All right, we go shooting guard. Next VJ edge comb is a shooting guard on the other side. Where does your now second year shooting guard rank? According to Hoops Hipes? Where is he? Is he top 10? Is he out of the top 10? I think we kind of told you in the headline that he is top 10, but I just spoil it a little bit. Should he be in the top 10 after one season in the NBA? Hit the like button, like and subscribe. Let us know by leaving a comment what you think of these lists that Hoops Hipes has put together for the positional rankings in the point guard. In this segment on the other side, we'll get to the shooting guard with VJ edge comb. Do you, Matt? Do you maybe have two in the shooting guard category? Little spoiler there. Maybe

17:58you have two there. So if Anthony Simons ranked in the top 10, we are cooking to their cooking with gas. We'll let you know on the other side. No, if I line in the point guard position there in the top 10. So not yet, not yet. Not yet. So hang tight. Hit the like button, like and subscribe. Don't go anywhere. It's the PHL Y six is podcast hanging out with you on the Friday. Football is back y'all and you could win big money with splash sports and all cities $500,000 survivor contest. You heard me right. That's life changing money. $500,000. You all know, you can do different things with that and survive with that $500,000. We all know survivor contest work, right? You pick a straight up winner each week and you can't use the same team twice. Make the right picks throughout the season to avoid being eliminated. This contest has a guaranteed $500,000 payout. Let's say at one more time, a guaranteed $500,000 payout sign up today. So you're ready for a week one. Just go to all PHL Y dot com slash survivor $500,000 up for grabs.

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21:04and the first team offense first team defense on Sunday you want to watch the big game in Xfinity on Xfinity and I have no problems in 4k visit xfinity.com to learn more all right let's get to the shooting guard position and VJ edge comb where does he fall y'all he's a shooting guard and he is in the top 10 Derek and he's not by himself in the rankings and he's Simon's at 27th just wanted to make sure we put that in there that you have the top two of the top 30 shooting guards in the NBA but edge comb falls at number eight here's the top 10 if you're just listening on the podcast you can't watch us Anthony Edwards is one down of the Mitchell number two Devin Booker third a men Thompson is fourth he's sliding right into his natural position with Fred van Blee coming back he's a shooting guard at four Austin Reeves five undrafted Austin Reeves five stepcastle six con conical seven VJ edge comb eight Derek white nine tiley hero 10

22:12Anthony Simon's 27 yeah all right get thoughts I mean this is really a list where like after the top three it really becomes I have the beholder because there's so many people who are incredible on one side of the ball and then have some really big deficiencies on the other um look I think VJ coming in at eight is probably a close to right maybe you can make an argument that for next year only it might be a little bit high I think this is probably the one where I was surprised like clearly you knew that Maxi and Jalen were going to be in top 10 there was no doubt about that if either of them or in top five you had been really really surprised VJ was the one where you were uncertain and part of that's because you're just a rookie last year obviously although the guy right in front of him con was also just a rookie last year but part of it's also that like he's just not going to be in a spot where he's going to I have a feeling if some people are going to look at this list at the end of the year they might wonder why VJ's rank

23:14so highly because I don't think he's going to be in a spot where he's going to make that massive jump that a second year player typically does through no fault of his own just because you have four Hall of Famers on your roster around his oh Tyrie smacksy Hall of Famer potential certainly is on a trajectory the other three are yes other three are definitely yeah so he might not put up monster numbers and because of that I thought people might bump him down and look players like Derek white and Derek white had an awful shooting year last year and certainly in the playoffs was awful I think Derek white in terms of of winning is an incredible basketball player still like I think he's very valuable on the court I think a lot of people would certainly make that case to put him ahead heroes going to put up points bans going to put up points there's some people around him that are very strong but it really does speak to how well regarded VJ is that even though he's on the fifth option on his team and fifth option probably by a comfortable part people still think he's a well enough rounded player that he deserves we top 10 at his position and I think

24:15that's a huge testament to how much work he's put in to the fact that you know he's a player who's obviously incredible athleticism athleticism alone doesn't get you top 10 on this list without an incredible amount of work and skill development and like I said it's a huge testament to what he's done and what you think he's going to become I just do wonder if he's going to have the opportunity to showcase that this year that he is yes a no doubt about it top 10 shooting guard in league because you know he's just not going to have that money opportunities I was shocked that he was in the top 10 as we went through the list first glance I was shocked I'm not going to say make a headline and put shocked in capital letters but I was shocked because of the other players that were around him specifically when you go and look at Derek white tally hero you mentioned Desmond Bain was at number 11 and as good as the season that VJ edge comb had and a good postseason that VJ edge comb had I didn't think that they would have him over three all star level players in Derek white

25:17tally hero and Desmond Bain I was done I was a little shot that he was there now Derek white last time we saw him you could say that VJ edge comb if not had a better series against the Boston Celtics in their head to head matchups that they were at least neck and neck because Derek white shot the ball terribly in the first few games he later on found the shooting touch didn't matter VJ edge comb in the 76ers they won that series and they moved on Desmond Bain all star conversation I also made it to the postseason had an okay run when they played the Cavaliers I think they took them seven games and that's in that series so you could still say that maybe he should have been and he's a two a player he's not as good a defender as he was a Memphis but he's still looked at to be a two a player with his scoring ability and what he does defensively tally heroes just he just buckets it's just buckets but he's an all star bucket yeah and that's it so I was a little shot but as some people have said I saw Theo say this

26:21and I saw someone else say it earlier is this just an indication of how poor not a knock on VJ edge comb is just that two rookies in the top eight should two rookies be in the top 10 and let it alone the top eight at the shooting guard position no it's definitely like all the three positions we're going to talk about here a bit of a knock it's definitely the weakest position like I said once you get past like the first three you start running in this and pre big deficiencies in their games some things that like each of them excel at and are great at but some real deficiencies and you know whether that is you know a lot of play like Reeves his defense con his defense VJ is is one-on-one shot creation like there's just castle is obviously a flawed player there's some real like when you look at the compare compare it to I like Kauai is six on a small four or list spoiler for and the only real thing against him still is health yeah and he's coming off of one of his healthiest seasons in recent memory and he's still six like so yeah and he's talking

27:23about a guy in Denny like when you start talking about top 10 there it's just deeper so I do think he's benefiting a little bit I'm trying to have his conversation about spoiling the entire small fourials I'm trying to have you start talking about VJ being eight part of it is that you're like yeah it's not as deep as the other positions well let's just go into the shooting guards then and just and just kind of stay there uh conken if it was chicon and VJ be switched if they're in there should they be swapped seven eight step castle I believe step castle is fine that's six that's fine I'm okay with that Austin Reeves do you have any questions there man Thompson do you have questions there top three I'm not even worried about them they should be where they are Anthony Air was down of a Mitchell and Devon Booker but there VJ edge comb would you elevate him above any of those other four players in front of him four through seven I'm giving the extension uh man just got he better before well he better be up there numbers aside contract aside are you are you elevating VJ edge comb and over any of those four no probably not I think the only one I think

28:26the only one you would debate is con but given the rookie year he just had like I understand putting him that this is why VJ edge comb is there they both had first team all rookie seasons and they are being rewarded at least preseason ranking wise by hoop type on this list what about the back end because we mentioned white hero and we just kind of laid out things out the head to head match up with white beans though still all start level season Tyler hero offensive numbers crazy defense not so good but bay was 11 yeah bayon eleven then like I said I'm still a big Derek white fan and he's the one were like you know because bossen needed his offense probably more than they typically do if you switch castle and white the their teams I wonder if you switch castle and white their positions like if you put Derek white in a spot where you know he's surrounded by that much talent and by that much perimeter defensive depth as well and you can really accentuate what he does well on on both sides of the ball he's one where I could certainly see moving up and he's probably one that would make the argument the most to move up and then been to like I would probably put

29:31then again I thought bayon was top 10 yeah I did then again he's 11 so he's right on the cusp yeah but we're just talk top 10 I just thought I just thought it's top 10 other guys around him Josh heart is 12 keyante george 13 and I'll just give you a star at 14 and 15 you also case on while this is not very so any of those guys maybe again you would push up a little bit in this list I'm interested to see what george does now that the game's matter and I'm also interested to see what case and does now he's got the new role but in terms of what you know and what you can reasonably project I'm okay with it okay all right how about 27 every seven how about he's just in the top 27 no big deal you just got to the top 30 shooting guards in the league so not a big deal but wanted to show him some love of course now that he's a six here we're talking about him too potentially six men in the year candidate the key okay great he's 27 last on the list who

30:34really cares yeah okay you got him for six million dollars like that that to me is a key because when you were looking at that non taxpayer mid-level you were thinking you might be able to get one of a Dean Wade or an Anthony Simon type not that you would use a whole thing on them but like maybe you'd use a bigger chunk than you did and you wouldn't have much left you wouldn't be able to get somebody else to get both of them on that one exception is some really good work and don't forget you got arrow hook porti for you know that was a question early on of man did they give him too much right when when they gave him the contract and you still were able to get three players at decent numbers especially at looking at what they did later on with Simon's brown and James adding to the team this has been the Xfinity big takeaway presented X by Xfinity make sure you check out Xfinity.com so you can watch your football your basketball baseball and hockey as we're getting to that point of the calendar year where all four teams will be in the mix you want to do that in 4k

31:34so make sure you check out your services courtesy of Xfinity visit Xfinity.com to learn more that was the shooting guard position again this is hoops hype and they're ranking on the other side we will get to these small forwards with Jalen Brown we know he's top 10 but we're in the top 10 who should he be around Danny Avdia was mentioned co-I Leonard was mentioned by Derek as two all stars that we know of who else where should Jalen Brown be on that list and just a reminder power forward center they have not been released as of yet so we'll get to those when they are dropped as well this is the ph y sixes podcast we're talking rankings for your Philadelphia 76ers position wise don't go anywhere small forwards on the other side if you've been waiting for the right time to upgrade your home this is it Ashley's Labor Day sale is happening right now with some of the lowest prices of the season you'll find hot buys

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35:50eligibility varies terms apply cancel anytime all right back here on the pho i six is podcast rewind and it take a little bit later season four episodes one through five don't don't miss it make sure you're here so we can talk through a gene known everybody heffers in there we got a lot of people in there that we need to talk through Theo all of this reef about with game of thrones a little bit later no spoilers we'll talk about it a little bit later doing a lot of talk of Lebron and I've talked a little bit about brown you ain't lying you ain't lying all right small forwards jalen brown where's the at top 10 for sure top five top three top seven he finished in the top six and MVP ranking so i imagine he's pretty high and he is pretty high on this list at third overall the rankings my question is Cooper flag was fantastic yeah should he be in front of jalen brown not yet yeah you know i think you can reasonably project maybe not this year but over the next two to

36:54three years he will be but based he certainly wasn't ahead of him last year and i think it'd be a pretty strong projection to make this i don't think it's completely crazy to say he might be better this year but certainly in the next two to three years i expect a huge leap from Cooper like i'm still really big on Cooper flag yeah but i was just shocked to is too is strong too is strong too is sure yeah especially when you still have Kevin DeRent the season that he had a year ago jalen jalen Williams was in and out of the lineup so and i understand they going off a lot of not what you saw last year but you kind of are when you're ranking rookies at that high and projecting out to the future and Cooper flag was tremendous but jalen brown again finished top six and now he's about to be a part of this super team if you will for the fill it off your 76er so again top 10 for the power for for the small forward position you do have Jason Tatum who once again did miss a lot of time last year play 16 games and only six of the playoff games or five of the playoff games against the sixers Cooper flag second jalen brown third then at four you have jalen Williams who

37:58missed a lot of time for the Oklahoma city he missed a lot of time and he had a bit of a down year to especially shooting the ball yeah so now i don't think that changes who he is no no no i expect a big bounce back season from him but yeah he was based on what he did last year it was a disappointment Kevin Durant he slots in at number five kawaii Leonard at six denny avdya first time all star at number seven fron's Wagner eighth Brandon in room now a part of the well once the trade actually goes through is officially submitted he's a clipper at number nine and Brandon Miller it's he conknipples team with the charlie hornets now tremendous season for him he rounds out the top 10 there for for hoops hypes rankings so jalen brown though at number three he should be in top three but he lands in the spot where he should be in that top three overall this is a really interesting list he's some talent to do is in i think point guard like the top five really top six is clear cut

39:02and i think the order it would be hard to argue the order should be changed almost at all like sga after the mvp's and the team's success hard to put anyone ahead of him once you cross sga off the list hard not to put luke a next and then cade and then brunson and max look that to me feels like pretty straightforward list with the one exception that if you want to argue stiff and maxi fine small forward like it really feels like you could take any of these top six players and make a strong well not cooper you it would be really tough for me to say cooper flags best small forward in the NBA right now but the remaining five you could make a case for any of them i could make a case at koai if you get koai's health from last year this year koai might be the best player on that list because when you start looking at him compared to some of the others i still think he is the best defender out of that group and tadeem i think tadeem would be number one if you could guarantee health obviously coming back from that injury it's tough to guarantee health so i really feel like this is a

40:02top six or so that you can make a strong case for almost any of them like i said probably not flag yet i think in two to three years he could be probably will be the best small forward out of this group and jdub as much as i love him it would be tough to make a case after a down year in an injury plagued year he should be at the top but tadeem brown kd koai you can make a really strong case and he's unlike kevin de rand it almost feels like he's getting slept on a little bit in part because like you know little disappointing obviously older but he's still putting up a vision 27 points you know he wasn't individually still had a fantastic season so this really is a list that you can make a strong case for like i said four people to be at the top spot four you know what would your what would your list go i don't know man because again flag was he was great last year for rookie at a great season rookie the year all of that but it's just how and we can read what the context of how

41:03they got to these rankings and all is both future based and what they did last year well again jalen Williams didn't play last year but he barely played last year 30 something games right right yeah so you you kind of ding him for that and just for that mere fact that he did that Jason tadeem you ding him for that not his fault that he was out because of the Achilles but he was out because of the Achilles and in 16 games he was still Jason tadeem but he didn't so that's where the whole conversation comes in and where it needs to be so but i'm not running away from your your question of where would i have it it's just tough to i think take i think brown should at least at minimum be two in front of flag i would say if i would agree that brown should be ahead of flag i'm not sure he should be two okay but i'm still like why is he why is healthy i played a lot of games well he's not healthy last year yeah he played a lot of games so that's that's the point plant my tree on koilinered good job there good job there good job you stay

42:04far away stay far away but now i mean i don't i don't know because yeah Kevin Durant and koiliner probably need to be in that top five somehow yeah no it's a it's a really strong list it is even all the way down to dendia of the oh what an incredible improvement he's so lucky and he's seven you know yeah i think when i actually you would say jaylen brown top four then not even five just top four yeah including Durant and or lennard somewhere in that mix yeah so who would you take out of the five flag i would drop flags uh you have to show that growth before i i give you credit for it uh i think it's a reasonable like i said i think in two or three years he might be number one on this list he's just not there yet you got to actually get there improve it um tate him is just so tough because that's just that that's an injury that like it's easy to reactivate it can slow you down you could not come a hundred percent back um

43:05yeah i i would i think tate and brown and kawaii and katee should probably be the top four okay all right uh one more notable paul george i'm just not sure what order i don't know i don't know so it's just more of jacooka flag being the top two yeah or even top five in general paul george is 22nd just want to point that out to uh i got to say i think that's a little bit disrespectful i do too because rj barit is at 18 well and especially because a bunch of the time he mislash here wasn't even injury related it was as everybody knows suspension related right and when he's on the court he is better than a lot of people that have been so 16 yep on on this list so i i i don't know any of the other ones that michael port or june was 15 he had a really good year though it's brooklyn yeah he scored a lot of points yeah he scored a lot of points i mean that's what he's there to do though so he he did that like trademark you missed a lot if you're trying to win and you're telling me that paul george is gonna be healthy i would take paul george over Brandon ingram right now

44:09brand ingram was ninth on this list some some strange rankings i think in here yeah including a family member of the show i'll let you do that but your point was norm paul's 12th and he's a small forward not a shooting guard yeah no norm paul being in this group yeah he's six three he's six three doesn't play defense like this whole thing is he creates off the drill like you you had Josh heart in the shooting guards you can argue just more style of play he's a small forward in that a shooting guard right but norm paul should not be in the small forward category yeah no i was i was surprised when i saw that and the surprise he was ranked ahead of people like for example cal bridges um and even jade mcdaniel's i think was probably a little over the night like 16 because he's always been like an all NBA caliber defender and with the growth he showed offensively i thought he would be bumped up more than he was and a day to bans it was 11th mm that's about right i think that's fine i like i said if you're i might i might take a j ahead of i'm just a brand

45:11in the ingram hater but like i might take a j ahead of ingram like so i if this was my list i think ingram would be quite a bit farther down okay all right so those are the small forward rankings jalen braille slots in at number three behind Jason Tatum and Cooper flag but in front of jalen Williams Kevin Durant quiet line at denny ovedia and a number of other players there in that top 10 overall Paul George slots in at number two in hoop types preseason positional rankings for the small forward positions all that being said as you alluded to at the very top of the show the six is according to these rankings and we'll get others like the ringer in the ESPN rankings we'll get some of those other ones they have three top 10 players and the point guard shooting guard and small forward positions if you're just tuning in if you are just listening and you're just tuning in and you haven't seen the graphics would just say it tary smaxy slots in at the fifth ranking as a point guard position right there behind sga luca donches create cunning ham and jalen brunson

46:12i didn't ask you should jalen brunson before or third just because i was just asking look but there's only so much credit i can give the stinkin neck fourth is fine fourth is fine is in the top five all right shooting guard vj edge com falls in the eighth spot everybody in front of the likes of Derek white tally hero and desmond bane and then in the small forward position jalen brown finishes third in the hoop types preseason rankings those are the rankings for your philadelphia 76ers no power forward or center rankings as of yet they'll get to that we got plenty of time before we get the training camp in media day so as of right now this is what we have for you no power forwards no centers on the other side they'll we wrap up this conversation little news and notes and then we rewind the tape on game with thrones season four first five episodes get the wine already got some wine here to share with each other i'm divine that's brie she's the president of basketball operations all of you will get to much more on the phil sixties podcast

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50:35youtube got some extra gains try youtube premium for two months free at youtube.com slash premium trial eligibility varies terms apply cancel anytime all right final segment here on the phy six is podcast we thank all of you for joining us programming note on the football side the phy egos podcast first game of the season season and home opener against the washington commanders stinking commanders well you get a divisional game you know what they do they put you on the 4 30 4 25 4 30 game 4th whatever kickoff before the game our coverage here on the phy egos podcast that begins at 355 with bow and the crew getting you set for the first game of the season as the egos begin the quest for another opportunity to make it to the super bowl do they have a good enough team the vante smith that why receiver one is he going to show that right away how good is the defense

51:36has been talked about as a top five defense in the NFL all of your questions will be answered starting with well may not be answered but you get an idea of it with the first game and you want to be prepared with the pre game show with bow and the game post game of course bgb brief first game of the season post game all right bg post game first game of the season blg in the mix then he carried will be in the mix throughout the year you don't want to miss it everybody make sure you check in pre game on sunday 355 with the phy egos pre game show right here on the phy network we appreciate you don't miss it's going to be a fun season I'll be tuned in I know Derek and bree will be tuned in make sure you're tuned in and get ready for a great football season from the birds all right super chat from reef here based on what our topic of the day the positional rankings preseason wise reef says I believe we will have all five starters in the top 10

52:38including power forward and center with the bron James and juel and beat so first guess reef the bron James certainly will be a top 10 power forward joelle without looking at the names I would say joelle despite not playing a lot of games last year he will still be a top 10 center because talent is just there I surely get during go bear Alan these are just names I'll tap my head that I know will be in that mix that's for subonus will be five in the mix conversationally and if you give me even 50 game to juel he clears the bonus I don't care how many games the bonus plays and go bear too yeah so I would say joelle's in the top 10 to so I think joelle is a top 10 center assuming again he plays even like 50 games are there if there's anyone who they're going to miss like if there if there's anyone who's

53:42who who who's hype is not going to put in the top 10 I think he's the most likely though but they didn't factor in games for any of those other players that missed time so that's why I put them in chat I just think the interview forward or center yeah depends how they they list him I just think the games missed has hurt joelle's reputation so much that even if they're not like consciously backing that in it wouldn't surprise me if they subconscious and they'll put him at like 11 yeah right here's for the matter 11 can't think of anybody else as we call says subonus it's not that I'm saying subonus should be above and be I'm just thinking off the top of my head of power of centers that I know have normally been in this top 10 conversation anybody else could I just gave you five six I gave you six including chat home green I put during in there boy it's got to sign a contract first yeah but still I mean all NBA player last year he's definitely in the top 10 I and a congou is not going to be in that mix towns are being there towns are being

54:46in there as a center I just pulled up their list from town to be in the mix that's seven so last year they had Yokech one uh I skipped over Victor two cats three how we always forget about Victor winning yeah yeah San goon four and they had joelle five even after he played 19 games they had him fifth last year so again and let me see and this is the this is the same guy doing it this year that did it last yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna say that he's top 10 he may not be top five but he's top 10 so women yama towns if you put him five after he played what 19 games two years ago I'm but I don't know I'm just I'm just saying I'm just saying yeah no I would I would expect he will be on that now he will be top 10 so the sixes will have according to who's like as we've said in the Super Chat all five starters will be top 10 players that's that's that's amazing it's amazing it's amazing absolutely incredible that is really good good job Mike Gansy nice work by you

55:49hey yeah incredible all you have to do like bam yeah forgot about that everyone's making a big deal out of this second aprons cba and oh you can't stack large contracts on it all you got to do is get the greatest of all time to sign up for minimum contract then everything falls into place it's easy I don't know why nobody had that idea beforehand but again even before they got him we were talking about Dean wait as it's starting power forward four of the five top 10 players and the rank is that would have still been a pretty good place to start the season no question yeah 100% yeah so good stuff man good stuff overall so looking at all these is gonna be a good time let's see if Joel and B falls in 11th spot on the on the list in general they have a lot of good centers though yeah well then you've got you've got the second leading scorer NBA history single game leading scorer NBA history to talk about you're gonna be a power forward center we'll see powerful who are the powerful yeah oh Jesus power forward see how come y'all miss yep see how come

56:56Jalen Johnson the interesting see where they put y'all is because he's sneaky missed a lot of time over the last couple of years they're still gonna put them top three though I mean you've got to he's incredible yeah they'll still put them top three all right let's get to our one news and note that we have here on this this little food related you know let's be some fun little news and notes that we have here on the show see what we have here Bri off this one news and note that we have to mess around on the Friday remember we talked about the nuggets that Kyle brought up Burger King nope you get a bag with not a regular brown paper bag you get a bag that is what is it shaped like a nugget yeah right Bri so I read a little bit on it so the actual bag is the size of a chicken nugget and if you're lucky to get I guess one of the hundred they release you also get a coupon for four chicken nuggets four chicken nuggets yeah like four sets of chicken nuggets I mean the bag costs through 99 so it's like

58:01you're just 500 available so Bri is talking about if you're lucky to know there's only 500 bags it's a tiny bag who gets a very small bag no it's literally the size of a nugget let me try and pull up the picture hold on you're not using his bag for anything else because it's gonna smell like food right it's gonna like chicken nuggets chicken nuggets in the bag it's that is one of the weirdest promo that I was saying or just says a nugget satchel we just thought it was funny man it is a little bag like that yeah I do you're supposed to feel like thankful for oh my god I want a what a 500 people no what that bag yeah no brown bag unless rock and roll let's try to do you know a big production out of you winning the bag you're gonna like throw it in the garbage bin on the way out a satchel of chicken nuggets big bag that's too good that's a very weird look at this look at oh my god it holds like two quarters no and like she's modeling it like it's a coach bag

59:06you can put like your chapstick in there that's it you got a chapstick bag you can't congratulate the sauce in that bag what is going on everybody's just trying to outdo the other fast food restaurants so there's let's just give him a little bag that is ridiculous that's all right so let's just talk about as you say what can you fit in that bag chapstick lipstick and nugget a nugget that's a whole promise of it yeah I got malls yes right um halls if you have like a little pack of the halls or some of the individual with some lifesavers what else can you you can't fit any one air pod can you fit in air pod in that bag she said one one air pod yes without the case that is very good yeah it's well I mean it's only four bucks it's like it's like it it's like if people still carry it around change you can use it for that I guess but nobody cares around change so for the on I do have change you can fold you know how you fold your money you can't just fold the money you have to double fold it right you have to double fold it and put it in there

1:00:10but where you where you are you walking around are you clipping it on your belt loop when you're carrying around a bag with one single chicken nugget in it just in case you get a little bit of a you're as it keeps it warm as it keeps it warm that would be a useful bag I doubt it for 399 but that would be a useful bag yeah a dime bag the O.S. have had it so in the weekend's only at home don't just don't go judgment free zone here buddy yeah yeah um that is hilarious but that is I'm not spending four dollars no no not on the novelty bag like that you don't back I can't I can't imagine being like the model and having to pretend with how much you get paid the money helps yeah for sure but like pretending like oh man look at how awesome this like no there's no way the jeans say one weed literally one one yeah so good stuff Burger King giving you a little tiny bag for their new nuggets that they have Kyle brought it up

1:01:10on an earlier episode of news and notes how they bring him back better nuggets because customers has have complained so their motto is have it your way well part of it is having it your way in I don't know about the bag though we've given them a lot of credit some things that they want to do they even have good milkshakes but not that bag I'm not spending money on that bag it's just not happening no a lot of some funny stuff here that pocket nugget that would say what says pocket nugget a lot of stuff in the chat that maybe we'll wait to overtime to actually say yeah I can't say all of them but it's good I just don't I don't I don't and you know somebody got paid a lot of money to come up with that idea too like somebody came up with that though the marketing meetings and somebody said this is a good idea well and that's somebody is probably very well compensated for the most useless job in the world congratulations say what says y'all talking smack now just waiting to get hungry at the movies and you get it off for the pocket nugget you won't be laughing then

1:02:11but if you think I need that bag to sneak food in the movies you are not giving either of us enough credit I did this on the radio once side topic what's the best thing you snuck into the movie theater me and Pat Egan had some fun with the listeners as they rotisserie chickens all kinds of you by a whole lot yeah it was great great stuff as we go into overtime now and talk about the things you stuck snuck into a movie theater finished watching at all ph y dot com for the game of thrown rewind tape at part of the show and on the TV side with seal Monday at 3 p.m. what's the best thing you snuck into I don't know if I have a great item I usually just sneak in the stuff that I want that's at the movie theater that's overpriced rather than paying eight dollars for a candy bar I'll sneak it in myself I don't know if I have like I certainly haven't snuck in a whole rotisserie chicken like that's not that's that is listen there were some people with some

1:03:12great great thing like a rotisserie chicken someone said they have snuck in burritos and and stuff with sea breeze the two mess I've only done Chipotle you've done like the bowl or the bowl well I will say my friend used to do you know when you go to McDonald's and you can get the cookie to it's like 24 cookies yeah yeah he used to bring those in and just passed him the over the good point can you imagine being like in the road behind some people's on a whole rotisserie chicken just like you better brought a plate no fork man because I need my not do they walk around anymore the flashlights and do that remember Kramer in the episode where he's fucking snuck in the coffee cup I haven't seen anybody check him like that not not in the theater good stuff man good stuff all right it's time we stalled long enough we're in overtime it's time to rewind the tape spoilers are ahead great job which means free you got to leave go to the other studio we'll call you when the comeback so breeze them busy it's all started because Bri and I hadn't seen it gene

1:04:17hasn't seen it known ahead and seen it many others haven't seen it here in the chat head you snuck in wawa hoey's I've definitely done that I've brought in a whole hoey definitely done that done in multiple burgers from fast food places stuff like that yeah so that good stuff good stuff now I want to go to see a movie just to see what I can sneak in but they also have the movie taverns where they just to eliminate all that they're well they're there's over the food yeah if you want to sell $100 when when when when all the movies whether it's you know dune or the Marvel ones coming out like we should go together and all of us try to sneak something in and see who gets the we'll eat each sneak something in see then have a chat vote on who did best oh who did best on what the food is or the smuggling up for the impressiveness of the smuggling okay I got you all right so we'll do this over the winner all right everybody let's get into the game of thrones rewind the tape season four episodes one through five Bri unfortunately because she has been busy

1:05:18with the vacation that she had for two weeks and then coming back and we had a lot of six or things that we really had to do we've had preseason show meetings that we had to do where breeze had a lot of stuff to prepare so she couldn't really catch up the way she was ahead of me excuse she was ahead of me I'm giving her an out I'm giving her an out she's on vacation and she was a part of her job I know how lucky you are to have watching Game of Thrones be part of your job I don't do my work I'm still very yeah I'm a procrastinator I guess all right so let's get into when we last left one of the things that we did talk about though was the red wedding right right Bri we did talk about that how devastated we was for the red wedding how upset we were and I think that early on they set the tone again where they get right into it the next wedding and listen Bri we'll spoil this before you just have to see how it happens you will be thrilled to find out who is no

1:06:21longer a part of the show well this is why I'm so disappointed Bri everything she's been looking forward to happy from like Pedro Pascal joining yes to the king dying she's been talking about jaffrey dying for like three weeks jaffrey gets it she couldn't even watch two episodes to actually see it happen and it is fantastic job I didn't see this one coming of how it again is how creative will they get and how quickly it came to because he was I mean he was almost literally dancing on Rob Stark's grave like three episodes ago yeah gone and he was doing so in this episode until he was going he's out and I was so thrilled to see that that had happened that little you know what we're over time come a little shit yeah it happened everybody and I was happy that had happened satisfying ending did you pick up on who did it throughout the rest of the five episodes yeah because they did kind of reveal it which I told

1:07:23I told you yesterday I'm like you've got to wait until season eight for them to fully reveal it yeah because there's a iconic line so but I forgot that you they actually told the audience two things and we'll get to the whole little finger part of it with Sansa and how he kind of points out that it happened and he was the one that you know helped out for it to happen was it Marjorie's grandmother yes I got that right she did it she said do you really think I was gonna let you marry that monster so there was like a two part there was little finger who gave sword don't don't don't know so I think the drone yeah the the the came the court gesture and whatnot the town's not our court gesture but no no no they gave him gave her the necklace and that necklace had poison in it and then uh Elena Marjorie's grandmother took the poison from the necklace and use it yeah well I forgot that she just straight up admitted it to uh so this is where this is where

1:08:25I got upset everybody with the whole part not the fact that he's going because I'm happy that he's gone it's great we don't have to talk about how he's going because Bree's gonna see it and then she can text us and we can talk about how he how he died it was fantastic they were very creative and all here was my thing with the whole point of him dying he was an asshole leading up to it I'm glad he got his the queen again Cersei she blames her brother yep and she blames Terry and because after sitting there and smirking while her son is just embarrassing him the way that he she was he was in front of the entire entire community that's there for the for the wedding embarrassing him like crazy yep you know all that stuff as he's dying and it's evident that he's done right she looks over to him the camera pans back to him as he's picking up the cup and wondering what the hell just happened to his nephew she says it was you

1:09:31all right so then you kind of rewind and then the fathers is like close down everything she's like where's his wife he's she's not here close everything down because she's a part of it just like tyrannous let's rewind the tape so when he finally asked when he before he dies and he's choking on the drink he places the cup in front of margarie's grandmother was her oh oh Elena Elena Elena and it's right in front of her I paid attention to it just because it's like that was interesting positional camera work of her being in the background while he lays the the the cup and then when Tyrion picks up the cup she's still like she's right there hands it to it happens everybody including the queen has seen everything happen throughout this entire part

1:10:31she decides to blame her brother yeah how you saw everything he threw the cup she picks up the cup uh santa and hands it back to him where did he have time to poison him it wasn't the wine in front of him the wine was all the way over here how did he do it yeah I mean I think that's why they made him like had jaffee pick on him had jaffee pour the wine on top of him had jaffee be the cup error so that he was one filling the cup so it would just look yeah but how did he get it in there no no it's not right that's where I get picky with movies and tv a little bit it's like all right and and then the story writing I think I think I think the whole point is nobody actually believes I agree with I agree with except for and Cersei is a wanted him dead for a long time and be as an affidavit rage like I I can it's not actually she's an affidavit but even when you go on the rest of the episodes she's still placing the blame at his feet yeah no I think the whole

1:11:34point is she's not a rational actor yeah yeah yeah yeah no I think she believes he he did it and I think I think part of the problem is that Sansa escaped so maybe she doesn't think that he literally dropped the poison in but like he was involved in the plot yeah I think she believes that he was involved in the plot I mean that's why she spent like the rest of the couple episodes like asking Jamie like kill him would you kill him all that stuff I think she believes he was part of the plot yeah yeah I don't think she necessarily believes he was one who dropped the poison in there himself but I think she thinks he was scheming yeah so who killed the king looks like it's the grandma and that's why she's still fan I'm a little finger got a little finger in there so listen grandma you are right with me man last last week we talked about how much I like church she was one of my favorite characters you are all right with me man she is she is she's got some incredible moments coming up to she's fantastic she's smart she's witty she gets right back at them she bites back at them she's wealthy she she can do that she's like whatever and won't

1:12:36she just smile tywin he's relaxed yeah I'm having fun for once you like you might enjoy it absolutely man so all right we'll move on to that Pat Pedro Pascal he has arrived yes and for Bri I'll wait because he is absolutely tremendous yes and this through the first five episodes the characters tremendous the portrayal of it is tremendous his his his his are great attitude is great he just he comes in the capital and he's like I'm going to kill tywin and he's got the security and confidence and the training tell you that I'm here untouchable yes to the point where like tywin is putting him on a small council he comes to his room he spent the entire week or whatever being like I'm going to get payback for you authorizing killing my sister and he still has the kind of confidence to go out there and and just do that in public by the way I still look at tywin tywin and he saw him noob spa okay from the golden child for me you know he's Eddie Murphy's

1:13:42nemesis in the movie from golden child so that's every time I look at him even though I know he's tywin he's he's he saw the noob spa for me but all right um Tyrion is doing his best to help Johnson this whole thing before all this wedding stuff happened so I'm just kind of going back to season I mean episode one he's doing his best he's doing his best she's still um and I you know he's one of my favorite anyways favorites anyway so I still admire him for that meanwhile she before he gets her out of there I'm like woman I know you love him but don't you see what's happening around you and he's trying to save your life and he's not to set you up I understand you love him is he worth dying for because if they kill him you're out so lady you know you're being stubborn yeah you know just just get out of there and and do that so I don't know if you have any thoughts on that one uh going back to Elena when when Brienne walks up in episode one where she's talking to Marjorie and she says my word

1:14:47I was cack I was rolling because she's tall everybody as you know and she's like yeah we've heard about you but it's another thing to see you in person and you just walk up one is like that she says my word I was rolling but she said that so again love her Marjorie they have this whole thing set up Jeffrey was still in the ass in episode one leading up to episode two and how things played out this respectful as always Arya and the Hound are super funny just a few lines that's that out when they were in the going into the tavern I need another horse just to get away from your stench I thought was hilarious from her him saying what the fuck is the lamy and meanwhile they're like in the bushes so you only have her and in between the bushes you can see her face and then you can see the Hound's face and he's like what is a lamy I thought that was funny and him saying of course

1:15:49you name your sword just some good back and forth banter between the two of them and now she's a killer you know she's she got her she got the body she's got a horse she's got needle back I'm still a fan of Arya and in the hound and what they become so do I have some of those things right so far yep episode two was really all about little finger and everything's leading up to to it all a tywin though waste no time he's family first yes your son died who's the next king he was no time literally standing next to his dead body trying to zero time trying to talk up queen is like maybe this is not the appropriate time right now speaking of not appropriate time Jamie yeah what are you doing that was one of the most uncomfortable again because he's now morphing into this new good guy yeah even though you still I'm glad you think your arm is your hand is cut off you still pushed a little boy out the window he's crippled now you don't get all your cool points

1:16:49back by trying to change everything even though you are trying to change and the shame of it is and this is one of the few parts of because I think season four is one of the best seasons of TV and Kyle was upset that he's missing this conversation one two five because he really you want to talk about episode two yeah he definitely wants to talk about episode two but I I think there's incredible season the TV this is to me one of the real slip ups and I see some people arguing that in the books it's not quite as clear cut non-concentral I haven't read the books I can't really say but so it's not in the we don't know that it was clear cut in the show it was definitely not consent no in the book from what I understand she eventually consented but at first it did seem like after a while she was right time in place yeah but either way either way it's wrong is dirty but in the TV show it's like she is right too horny it's just too well especially with with over and which I'm sure we'll get to yeah over and having like a foursome on the bed tywin kicked him out and over and being like hey you want to sit down he's like

1:17:52like a tywin is I was done yeah I'm good but to me Jamie has been on such a redemption arc over the past couple of seasons and even later on that is the good part of the writing that yes he's on this redemption arc but he's still this dude that we saw the first couple of seasons that he still has this in him but even still like because even after this you know he sets up Brienne gives her a sword being like go protect Sansa like he still seems like he is for the most part moving in the right direction and this was just a it was it was a setback one it's just so random and one off too yeah yeah so um tywin also he finally gets shea to leave but he had the kind of demeanor to get her to leave well and that's so you rush about shea like why she won't run away I think Shay has like for the maybe the first time in a long time maybe in her life she felt like she was more than just a prostitute yeah and I think she wanted to cling to that and like show

1:18:52that show Tyrion that she values that too and I think I meant something to her so when he so I get it but he was awful to her you just to try to get her away yeah I think I was a real you know yeah you know what he was doing yeah and and he he did though the right and she did need to get out of there she did he did the right thing she smacked the hell out of bronze for tywin because tyrant Tyrion because because of that so you know that that was that also an episode two for me as Kyle said last Friday breed this is not a spoiler it's just ramsy is just a sadistic sociopath yeah I mean looking I don't know what I've seen him now for a season so I don't feel like I'm spoiling anything like he doesn't have there are players no other storyline that's there's no redeeming quality to ramsy Bolton like there's like Jamie we can talk about like yeah he's doing this good stuff he has this really awful moment obviously at the beginning of the show was awful but there's there's nuance to him there's no nuance to rams he's just I was waiting to see

1:19:54if the island was going to slit his throat when he was shaving him but he has him already you know where he has him here was my other thing again small nitpick I'm sorry he's shaving him right he does the one side is just doing the one side right and then they cut the camera he says what he says about Rob and I thought he was like oh is he gonna slit his throat right here and just deal with it and somehow he fights this way out of here I did he how did he get up out of the chair and address his father again his whole face is clean okay I don't I don't have I don't think I was just this TV I'm picking the coffee cup thing y'all talk sometimes you just miss things but wait have you say you've heard about the coffee cup yeah on social media yeah yeah but it was like hold on you're just saving one side he got up three seconds later impossible and when he stopped because of the thing he just started one more time and then he got out of the chair because dad was talking there's no way the on was that good of a a barber to shave him that clean that fast

1:20:57no I don't just picking y'all sorry reek yes the reek whatever you want to call I don't I don't think I go back to just that part I have to go back and rewatch again because I don't think I was paying that much money come on y'all all right all right episode three little finger he keeps his crap going now with Sansa finally gets her away on the boat and you know all that stuff that I mentioned how Tywin waste no time Cersei tells Jamie to kill her brother he's like my brother yeah you know what what are we talking about here and there was a lot there because she that asked him like would you like would you like would you if I asked you to bring me Sansa's head would you do it and he just doesn't answer yeah just because he would yeah he's like no not doing that still our brother and I also wrote damn Sam I understand why you know you did the right thing of moving what's her name again the girl the daughter uh baby yeah uh lily or something gully gully gully he just doesn't know how to express himself he's still in that stage of I don't know how to

1:21:59I know what I'm doing here but I don't know how to express myself um but like damn Sam but he did the right thing except for she didn't want to go she wanted to stay with him and him for her to protect but he's just not that guy he can't protect her even though I kind of feel like he can't even though he took down the white walker he might have this thing I'm waiting for this thing this other story to pop up later on in this episode maybe just a little bit of a recall back to that uh Lord Davos he's a solid guy um good Stanisus not a good guy no there's a lot of guys wife by the way Stanisus wife what about her this she's this weird yeah no she's like a full devotee of the red god okay she's just she's a fanatic at this point all right who else is a solid guy pod the squire oh no doubt no doubt yeah he's taking down the women and all that stuff well and and they're like uh go with goa brie and where Jamie and one and they try to get him to flip and offer him like no no solid guy yep and not very many of them cheering again did the right thing you got to go man

1:23:01because they're gonna kill you too you just hold them though gonna kill you too uh anything from episode three or did I just kind of cover or basically all bullet points um quickly and also brie brought this up before of where it's always five minutes of Danny and then that's it so that's where the story kind of gets on my nerves brie I know well you like the story but they only give it to you like five minutes the other stuff's more interesting they'll take over entire city in five minutes exactly done yeah I love the whole red so dedicated to just like her storyline just one but that and that's why that's why I'm more interested in the others because they don't give us enough of her of her story yeah one until it'll be there later completely disconnected from everything else is going on yeah and we'll hear their names of other people and they certainly the king um he talked about it in the very first season when he talked about oh we got to get this little girl you know all that stuff mother dragons but all of that all right on the episode

1:24:03for a little bit true Danny story again we just talked about that time I do have in my notes I forget who said in the chat um in my notes I said all over into this fuck it's like all he does every see every seeing he's at the bros it's all he does everyone every all day brie will get there and fights and he fights yeah it's it sounds to still very naive still very no she'll get there this is episode four find out grandma I'm killed Jeffrey and all that stuff amazing woman I love her she's the best keep in my eye on episode four just to let everybody know where my thinking is I'm watching I'm like huh John Snowes John Snow he's the the the council doesn't like him the two guys in particular the blind dude he's he's good he's great um and he's like whatever guys we killed everybody you know what we have and and Snow is just going back at him and in all snow knows who he is I'm keeping an eye on lock is how I wrote it in my notes well he's as he stands up with snow so as a reminder he's the one

1:25:05who chopped off Jamie's hand yep working for Bolton and now he's not exactly most trustworthy health and now he's in with the group yep and I'm like I know him from somewhere which I did know he did that and I'm like why is he there now he just kind of popped up there well the crazy thing he didn't even do it he he went there on his own accord to try to infiltrate yeah so he got that I have my notes there uh Brianna and Jamie love their dynamic I just put the oath keepers if she names the Valerian sword as the oath keepers you think you kind of little little little not spoiling anything did you think this certainly there is a respect because remember when Cersei says do you love him and she's just like I'm not answering that yeah no I think she clearly has feeling yeah um which I think is pretty stunning considering where they started their journey yeah uh and I think yeah I think there's probably mutual feeling right and I was a little upset that Brandon the crew would have captured go upstairs like man my guy Brandon

1:26:09it is funny how the two two Valerian steel swords were made one given a jaffery calls it with those whale even if you would have lived he would never killed anyone with that because he's not fighter then the other one oath keeper there's two very different personalities big time big time all right final episode interesting little twist with little finger and cats sister cat starts sister who was already weird nursing that loop that drones yeah she was nursing her teenage son he was probably like what at that point seven eight years old but it's like come on man he's two old which is obviously why they did it because it was way too old weird filming I don't know how they did that you must see I don't know weird uh but that was weird um the sister we uh we knew was nuts from nursing you know the kid now that showing again of how she was the one who helped little finger put this whole plan together to get her knees back there well in that scene they

1:27:11reveal a lot more than that yes they do so they basically admit that little finger and Lisa are the catalyst of pretty much the entire story everything the direct quote um you think I'd let my intended leave the eerie on urgent business but knowing it was blah blah blah where was it what wife would trust you the way I trusted you you gave me those jobs and told me to pour them into Johns wine my husband's wine as Sean Aaron he was a former hand of the king when you told me to write a letter to cat telling her it was the Lannisters so she's basically just admitting who we all know who little finger was in the first place right she's admitting that the entire war was engineered by those unbelievable twist I did not I knew she would pop up somewhere I just didn't know how and I certainly didn't see it in this in this fashion I did not see it happen yep yeah so some crazy stuff there and then I put in there I knew lock was a piece of shit I was right my instincts were right from episode four because he turns on him he splits uh brands leg even though

1:28:18he's crippled so he couldn't clearly couldn't feel it I was worried about is gonna bleed out that kind of thing there's no stocks left basically right stuff with the girls and it's in the two young boys and snow so is this how we lose brand it's too close right I'm like you can't lose brand and then they get into the battle with snow and the rest of the guys they figured they didn't figure it out because brand had um how these um how these announced the big guys name Hodor Hodor who always just says his name because he's obviously have you seen the game of zones sixers episode in the past yeah yeah but I don't remember it enough to bring this back to the show there is an episode later on I think it's in season six but after you watch that and you'll notice you'll you'll know the Hodor episode when you watch it okay go back and rewatch that game of zones he's got like super strength powers man he lifted him up snapped yep and all that so in it though

1:29:19snow and the group didn't know that you know that that's what lock was doing so if that that part sucked but they got it done and um and then again Derek check I'm sick of the family being so close he's calling his brother's name and then the other guy with the sister convinces him not to tell him he's there it's uh I hate this part of the show I hate this it's definitely a plot device yeah it's annoying I hear you it's annoying I just want no I'm right I don't even have a good explanation I just I hear you it's so bad it's so bad so that's where I ended with season five that I did I get everything kind of you know cover every all the bases we just went about 30 minutes on we the separate yeah we're gonna legitimately do a separate show we do we definitely could and um yeah so I get again why people pulled into the show when it was happening

1:30:21I get why multiple at mostable seasons or multiple watches of this is going on I Julia of the Anthony Gargantos show great producer here we all know jewels she's a like watch number four of the season again so yeah and I think the rest of season four this is where over and really comes into his stride this is where Bri will love it sure if she ever gets back to watching it she will absolutely love the second half of season four yet tonight episode once tonight you got the text that's great you got to text this already made the plans tonight so it's uh this is this is an interesting season uh especially with the wedding yeah yeah over an absolutely uh Pedro Pascal absolutely because when when Kyle was like all right this is really while I wasn't here I wasn't I wasn't sure if he was talking about like with Pedro Pascal first five or the 10 and it's clearly not the first five it's just my present I'm here he's announcing

1:31:21himself that he's here yeah so now I'm waiting for the final five where's like oh Pedro Pascal he's never like he's never like the focal point there's one episode where he's arguably the focal point but he's never like the focal point of an episode but he kills like he he absolutely steals the scene everyone he's on and then I'm like all right if Tywin is bringing them in there's no way that he doesn't do something that's just gonna be legendary the rest of the way of of the season speaking of Pedro Pascal's character I'm like there's no way he's just gonna be like oh yeah we're buddies now and I'm all good I'm on your side Lannisters no way no way and again no one outside of Cersei actually believes yeah that Tyrian killed his nephew it's also just I have one more thing after you say you think well I'll just say like Pedro's character is nice because if there's going to be like a progressive person in Westeros he feels like the most progressive person yeah like he you're a bastard he doesn't care if you're a child and your parents in some atrocity

1:32:24he doesn't care he only rates people based on what they've done and he's pretty just outside of that it feels like he's just a he's a good character last one and then we gotta go y'all why does Jamie not seem to care that his son slash nephew is dead yeah like no feelings what's all right zero yeah I think he as we talk about story arcs character arcs I think he's spent 18 years not being allowed to acknowledge his kids and not being allowed to acknowledge that he is their father and I think he's almost associated from it because of that I think he's uncle I think he just got so used to not showing emotion around them because he wasn't really allowed to but even if he's his uncle like I think in his head he's worried if I show too much emotion people might start asking questions people already know I agree but I in the day that questioning so like if if Joffrey was 18 when he was killed that questioning really only started the last two years maybe

1:33:28so he spent 16 years making sure he didn't show any emotion so people didn't start asking questions and I think he's gotten it but I'm not wrong in that that's a legitimate question oh sure it's not he yeah and he shows no emotion he showed more emotion for Sansa Stark than he has for his own show yes yeah and even Tyrion who they were about to throw in and put on trial throw him and he picks up the cup like what the hell when he was falling he's like my nephew yeah he starts walk that was I thought that was a real what uncle emotion of my nephew is choking I can't stand him but he's choking and going back to your question about like Tyrion and why anyone would believe that he did it if there's one thing you'll say for Tyrion he wouldn't be dumb enough to be standing over the body holding the murder weapon like if he was actually going to kill him he wouldn't be standing right freaking there yeah he does suck y'all you throw I love the grandma love the grandma Alena my question just was yes he may know his son slashen if you as is a jerk but he shows zero

1:34:31emotion that his son does die yep fair point yeah that was my only thing everybody that was a long version of 30 minutes rewind in the tape man we just we need to just make these yes because it's hilarious we would round we we rewound the tape episodes one through five and I'm so glad that that little piece of crap is dead now let's get to the world famous you know it's a great show roll call we definitely need darkness today when they can make you thrilled that a teenager died it's a good show and as Bree said looking up his stuff elsewhere it's probably the nicest kid in the world oh he's done he's done a bunch of interviews where it's just like he did a fantastic job yep in that character for those three and two episodes these yep fantastic work by that kid but I'm glad you're dead yes let's get to the world famous roll call y'all all right I'm not gonna

1:35:32surprise anyone but I didn't really start taking names down until we got to the game with our own part so I apologize probably don't have everyone listed that's fine we'll start off with Sir reef this means we give it darkness later what a reef wait was he here no but no guy we got to do one start off with reef with the super chat head the Theo court gesture not just there not Sir don't host a different court gesture this one we don't believe is a drone is your name the court gesture because of Game of Thrones please let us know because you're a game of throne phase let's know me go f in suave me go hair day one central independent winona Kyle new back what a Kyle Kyle was the name of the game of the rolls rewind he was actually in there a little bit earlier he was debating some of the yeah but I think he was probably still here all right uh Korean chicken Korea chicken maca valley maca valley well Reardon there's also another maca valley I know but I was just going to five

1:36:36yeah uh jack reacher what up jack Nathan gx esp coal say what say what gene Sean sharp provolone john provolo mom's grandchildren and darkens turn the lights now for that little piece of crap the king daffrey's dead turn all the lights off have a parade well that's another comment all right everybody make sure you hit the like button like and subscribe to the show leave a comment give us your thoughts on rewinding the tape as well this is a fun show great week as always when you do like and subscribe make sure you hit the bell icon and that will alert you that it is showtime spread the word that we are here on the pho i6's podcast Monday through friday 3 p.m. and when the season gets underway pregame postgame weekday shows as well it's gonna be a fun fun

1:37:39season and we can't do it without all of you guys we appreciate you court jester does say my buddies dad gave me the name just been uh you know little disruption you know fun stuff so gave us gave us the the reason why the court jester for brie i just love the fact that we started talking about game of thrones 35 minutes ago and we didn't lose any viewers we love y'all we love y'all we love brie brie great job is always graphics keeping us going game of thrones stuff she's got to catch up we'll be all ready for episode six through 10 later next week for Derek i'm Devon that's brie Kyle on vacation everybody have a great weekend enjoy the eagles game make sure you watch the pregame show for the pho i eagles 355 on sunday and the postgame bg bow everybody there enjoy have a great weekend we'll talk to you on monday 3 p.m. see ya yeah

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