HOUR 2: Wait. Why are there trackers in Target shopping carts?

0:00You're listening to the Dana and parks podcast on KMBZ. It's raining in Kansas City. I forgot what it looked like. Oh, man, uh, from maybe seen news, my windows up. I guess it's too late to ask that question. I think it already blew through here, Sam. It was poor. Everyone asked that at the same time. Or might windows up to American men are just two wins away from winning this year's US open and what would be a major breakthrough for American tennis. Americans Ben Shelton and Francis. Tiofo Tiofo. Thank you. Did you not stay up till 3 30 in the morning watching it? No, I didn't. How long it went? Watch it at all. Oh, God. One marathon quarter final matches overnight on Tuesday setting up a semi final showdown that guarantees an American man will play in Sunday's final in New York. Uh, okay. Shelton is number eight. Francis is number 11. They're so fun to watch. The last American man to play in the US Open finals was Taylor Fritz in 2024.

1:05So it's not unheard of. Um, the last American man to win the grand slam was Andy Roddick in 2003. Coco Gough is scheduled to play a Russian on Wednesday and a quarter finals match. I think she's doing that right now. Yes, she is. Okay. Is that why the flag next to her name is just the color blue is because she's Russian? Uh, I don't, I'm not familiar with the Russian flag. Well, it is, it's a white stripe, uh, red stripe and a blue stripe or a white blue and red. But, uh, member of the Olympics, they had to, if they were a lot of compete this past time, but at a previous Olympics, they had to, uh, modify march in, uh, with a rather non-descript flag. You are correct, Scott Russian flags are not shown at the US Open because tennis governing bodies require athletes from Russia and Belarus to compete as neutral parties without a national symbol, similar to the Olympics.

2:06Okay. Uh, what's the latest on this cargo crash? They didn't even get their national anthem. I'm an, I'm an update that. And then I want to talk about target real quick. Uh, so there is a puzzling update to the Amazon cargo plane crash, um, that killed five on the ground, I believe. Uh, that plane weighed more than 100 tons. It remained airborne, quote, deep into the runway. It's left rear gear, continuing to bounce along the pavement as the pavement rapidly disappeared ahead by the time that plane reached the end of the runway. The jet was still barreling forward at 130 miles an hour. Here's where it gets odd data, flermy flight data recorder, which has a, just hours and hours and hours of information on it, they said, show that seconds before the crash, the

3:11throttles were set to full power. There were no indications that speed breaks or thrust reversers were deployed during the incident. Both systems are designed to slow a plane. Obviously speed breaks by using aerodynamic surfaces and thrust reversers by diverting air from the engine. Neither were deployed during the incident. Sounds like he way overshot the runway. Why? And rather than pulling back up initially tried to go through with the landing realized, I've got way too much weight. I've got way too big of a plane tried to pull back up. That's why the throttle would have been full at time of crash. And obviously with that much weight, you're already down on the ground. You're not getting back up. By the way, on its third flight of the day, the aircraft hurtled across a small grassy patch through a chain link fence with razor wire concrete barriers designed to

4:15keep cars out of the secure area crumbled as the jet headed straight for a four lane road. One of the things I read a couple days ago. It's too bad. Was the very, very inexpensive sort of duh solution. And that is wait for it. Gravel or they were also saying a retaining wall for airplanes, not for cars. Multiple airports. Have installed. And I don't even want to use the word install. They scatter gravel where the runway ends. You just put gravel a whole bunch of gravel. Let's say for a football field, you put gravel. That in and of itself is designed to stop a speeding plane that either makes a mistake. We don't know what this was. The whole thing seems very odd. Yes, I agree. But the gravel is not mandated. Many airports have done it. The NTSB has suggested it. It's not mandated. Why not? I don't know. And does anybody find it odd that obviously a certified and trained pilot overshoots a runway

5:18like this? I mean, they were halfway down the runway before the wheels even touched the ground. It's not uncommon. I learned that from a retired B 52, or B 52, B 2 pilot, not the band, the plane. Thank you. Yeah, who I sat next to on a flight back from California. And it was a great conversation learned all about aviation until we got to MCI and we're starting to land. And he goes, oh, come on, buddy, put it down. Come on, put it down. Come on. And I'm like, what are you, what's going on? And we finally get down safely. And he goes, yeah, I mean, every time I'm in a commercial jet, he said every time I'm in a commercial jet, they waste thousands of feet of runway before they put the plane down. And it's just the pilot. I have no idea. I'm just speculating now being concerned about doing it correctly, I guess. I don't know. The other big issue here is, tell him that his commentary and play by play was not helpful. I did in the moment. I'm like, can you shut up?

6:19Thank you for your service, but stop. Yeah. The thing that I can't figure out with this Amazon plane is that Miami has runways long enough for cargo planes. This particular runway is not a really. It's the shortest runway at Miami. And I say long enough, I'm sure it's 9,000 feet long. Yeah, I'm sure that you put a plane down on that runway, a cargo plane safely. But if you have longer runways and you have a fully loaded cargo jet, give them the longer runway. This jet had contact lenses on it, 32,000 pounds of contact lenses. Contact lenses. I wear is what was on that plane. The pilots, by the way, did not inform air traffic control of any problems with the plane prior to the landing attempt. And by the way, with regard to the reverse thrusters and the air breaks, those do not deploy, according to the internet, until the plane is stable on its wheels.

7:21So that back left wheel was still bouncing. The plane would not allow the reverse thrusters to kick in yet. In theory, because if you're not stable on the ground and the reverse thrusters kick in, you're just going to smack the ground really hard. I don't know. Okay. But that would make sense on why those didn't start. Okay. Can we explain please just for news, sake, not for calls or a topic, what the heck is going on in Missouri? Everything changed after we got off the air last night. We are going to have Sam explain it because he has researched it so heavily. All the news stations have it. It's at the top above the full Kansas City star. And now let's talk that the Secretary of State, Missouri, might be in contempt of the Supreme Court. Whose maps are they supposed to be following with respect to the elections? And Sam, where do we stand today? So the tit for tat has been the new 2026 congressional map, which was actually a 2025 congressional map. The Missouri Supreme Court ruled that that was unconstitutional.

8:2520 attorneys general sent it to the Supreme Court who said we're not deciding. That was the update we gave you last night sending it back to the Missouri Supreme Court decision. The Secretary of State in Missouri had hinted that he's not going to follow the Supreme Court's decision. The federal judge somewhere, I don't even know where, said that because the new map had already been approved that the 2022 map and the 2024 map are now void and or invalid. So legally, they have to use the 2026 map. I don't know what's going on. What? To make this all even stickier, the general election ballot had to be finalized yesterday. OK. So I don't know what we're going to get in November. I don't know what map we're going to be voting for. If you live on the Missouri side, go to the ballot and find out. A judge is going to have to decide. But a judge has decided and he says no, the 2026 map is now in effect, right?

9:30The judge ruled that it had to be the 2026, the federal judge ruled that it had to be the 2026 map because in his opinion, since that one was approved, whatever that means, the previous maps are now null and void. But the Supreme Court in their decision to not take up the case, effectively sided with the Missouri Supreme Court, who said it had to be the 2022 map, not the 2026 map. So now it's going to have to be appealed back to the US Supreme Court and they're going to have to take this up and to make it all even stickier. People voted in the primaries for if we revert back to one of the previous maps, candidates that they're not going to be then voting for in the general election. That's my head hurts too, but that's where I have a question. If you were voted in under one map and now they're changing the maps, you can't go back and reverse that course, right? Candidates were selected based on map A. If they now say that that map is illegal, do those results stand?

10:35Like for example, I don't know who the Republican nominee is in the fifth congressional district, which is a manual cleaver's district. It's not Jacob Turks, stop the jokes. If he was, or if he won the nomination from outside of what the 2024 map said was the fifth congressional district, is he still the nominee? Or even though he doesn't live in the district, you're bringing up even more concerning points about this whole kerfuffle. I have no idea. Like that word kerfuffle. And the guy who ended up winning the Democratic nomination in the fourth district, that's Mark Alford's district, does he live in the Kansas City area or somewhere out in rural Missouri? In theory, you could live along the west side of truce and be in the fourth district, or fifth district, whichever one offers it and have won the primary. And now if we use the 2022 map, you don't even live within 20 or 30 miles of the district. You're running for it. And we'll look this up later, but what do you do with the nominee who potentially doesn't

11:39even live in the district that he's nominated for? Right. You're asking a lot of great questions, Scott. I wish I had any answers. Okay. Dan Lydier. Dan Wright, Sam Stevie, my name is Scott here on KMBC. This will be the last thing we say about it, but we just, if the 2022 and 2024 congressional maps in Missouri are upheld and yesterday's refusal to consider by the US Supreme Court stands. Okay. The democratic nominee in the fourth district, that's Mark Alfred's district. No longer lives in the district because he lives downtown and the Republican nominee for the fifth district. That's a manual cleaver seat and district. He does not live in the district anymore. What they need is an armchair somewhere in the district.

12:42By the way, according to Missouri State Constitution, representatives must live in the district. They're district story here from Fox four Dominic Miller, one of the accused shooters at the 2024 Kansas City Chief Superbowl really. The shooter. You can say it. These shooter who took a plea deal earlier this year is now facing a two count federal indictment after investigators say he was found with handguns during a traffic stop this summer. According to an unsealed federal complaint filed on September 5, 21 year old Miller was arrested on Tuesday and charged with one count of felon in possession of a firearm in one count of possession of a machine gun. The federal indictment comes after Miller entered a plea deal back in March in connection with the chiefs rally shooting that left one woman dead and 20 injured. For those of you who do not remember this idiot killed a woman at the chiefs rally. Allegedly. No, no, no, no, no, no.

13:45He was not convicted. It was not convicted. She died. He fired the fatal shot and because of the way our Missouri gun laws are written to protect farmer Bob in rural Missouri, they claimed at the prosecutor's office they could not bring murder charges against him because quote, I felt fear because one guy was shooting at another guy. Okay. Fast forward after they let him out. He basically did time served after a woman died. Just okay, you can go just go be on your best behavior. March 9th of gunman person and people were rightly outraged that this happened mass chaos and panic downtown. And then just bye bye, you get to go home. Have a nice life, sir. He is the man who has been caught with the machine gun in his trunk because of that. I giggle. I feel so much joy that this idiot will now go back to prison under a law that has some teeth in it.

14:47He is a felon in possession of a weapon. Why do we? So if we can't get him for the murder of Lisa, um, uh, Lopez Galvin, he will at least now go away. How long was he out before? Uh, he was released in late March. He was arrested in late July. And by the way, he made it four months. Yeah. It would have been a routine traffic stop, but he allegedly, according to the indictment, was driving a vehicle that had mismatched plates. Wonder what that indicates. So he's smart too. Uh, and the machine gun and the firearm possession were one and the same because again, according to the indictment, both of the blocks that were found in the vehicle prior to the arrest because he also had a warrant out for his arrest out of which a tie. It just keeps getting better. Yep. Both of those blocks that were found in the car had what's called switches on them, which is a modification that makes them fully automatic.

15:49They've been converted. Yep. Right. When they found the firearms, he said, I don't know anything about that and requested a lawyer. Believe he said that he just bought the car and it wasn't registered yet. Right. And he didn't know what was in the car. Tell it to a judge. Here's what I'm going to say about this idiot. Thank God. He is back behind bars. And I pray no one was killed in the four months that he was out roaming. Can you imagine, Scott? Like we talked about this when they let him out. This is not a good person. This is not someone you want to cross at a red light. Like this, this, a woman died. Okay. Can you imagine somebody else being mowed down by one of those weapons? Because the way the Missouri law was written, he got to just walk out of jail. Sam, can you explain what the, yeah, I'm, I'm a little sticky on this one because I feel like it's a little more convoluted than that. It's not the Missouri law and how it was written. It was all because of one Missouri Supreme Court decision that said for whatever reason that some homeless person in St. Louis,

16:54who stabbed another person was justified in using fatal force because they felt verbally assaulted. It is the interpretation, Scott, of the stand your ground law. And I will, I will let me just remind them of the case. Sam, it bears repeating so that people understand this. It was a case out of the St. Louis area. Two women get into a verbal altercation. And one of the women says to the other woman, I'm going to, is it Wally Wampus? It is. I'm going to, she said, I'm going to Mali Wapu, which is to beat you into. I would have had to, I would have had to have said pardon me. Can I look that term up? She says, I'm going to Mali Wapu. The other woman then pulls out a knife, I believe, and stabs her to death. Yes. This then goes to court and the judge rules because of the way your, the stand your ground laws are written. She said she felt fear because she didn't want to be Mali Waped.

17:55Who does? And therefore she cannot be charged for the death of this woman who said, I'm going to Mali Wapu. And it was on that decision that everything, yes, that everything else has been based because if I can say to you, Scott, I'm going to Mali Wapu and it's completely reasonable for you to stab me to death. Then this idiot at the chief's parade, someone pulls a gun, he pulls a gun, you now see a gun, I felt fear. The argument to drop the charges was that the Jackson County prosecutor's office could not specifically determine who yelled first in the altercation. Now that we're allowing verbal assault as grounds for fatal. What is the over under on his argument in court or his lawyers argument in court being that his client was cased? By the Kansas City Missouri police. Good. How would he have been cased with a plate that didn't belong to him? They they they spotted him recognized him, started following him everywhere. The better question is if you go back to March, uh, third or ninth, when it was revealed that this idiot was going to get out,

19:03the whole conversation you and I had, and I think Sam, you were in on this at the time, that he will be back in jail because people like this do not think the rules apply to them. And in the chief shooting case, it didn't sadly, it didn't write a woman lost her life. And no one, no one has to answer for that. They're going to get him like they got Gregory breeding on bad check writing charges. They will get him on the weapons charge because he's so stupid. My memory, because the fell in impossession of a firearm charge on the federal level is five years. Is it five? I thought it was 10. Okay. It's 15. Is it now 15? 15. He is facing, uh, well, actually, I'm not sure which is which one of them is 15. One of them is 10. No, I think Dana's right. If memory, it used to be five years on the fell in impossession of a firearm charge. That is correct. Um, I thought they had increased it to 10. I certainly reserved the right to be wrong. Maybe the machine gun is the 15. But yeah, he's facing up to 15 years in prison. Good. 913 586 777 985 866 777 985 866

20:06777 985 here on Dana and Parks. Store here shoppers are being target Ted. The big box store has been tracking your shopping habits through chips planted in its shopping carts. Oh, yeah. And it says here, you can toss out your tinfoil hat because an employee has confirmed this technology in a recent tick tock. The employee goes by the moniker Elijah P on the platform posted a tick tock showing where the tracker sits on the carts. It's on the inside. He in this video, he shows where, you know, there's a, you would need a screwdriver and I'm not saying you would open it. But there's this little red plate, you know, target shopping carts are red. There's a little plate and he is claiming that inside that plate is some system that when

21:06you are perusing up and down the aisles, it follows your movements as like how much time Scott did you spend in the men's clothing aisle? How much timed, you know, where did you turn after leaving produce? And did you pause and for how long up at the cash register in front of the candy aisle? But they don't know who I am. Well, yeah, but the in store security folks can go and look and see, okay, well, Scott Parks was in the CD aisle for 48 minutes. But where do you left? He didn't buy any CDs. That's really weird. So let's go back and look at the cameras and oh, look, there's Scott Parks stuff in CDs down as pants allegedly. I would never stay. Is it more for tracking theft, Sam, or is it to better understand and then preference? Cache in on if you will, our meandering habits.

22:07I think it's both. I think it is certainly with this whole weird dynamic pricing thing they have going on where they fluctuate prices based on the demand for certain products at certain times of the month. And I think it's also the security to make sure that you're not stealing stuff. But even if I, if I stole something, you would have to go back because you wouldn't know that something had been stolen yet. That's what the cameras are for. Right. And if you didn't catch me stealing two CDs, you would have to know, okay, some CDs were stolen, apparently, our inventory is lower than it should make. And then Lizzie, who's stealing those? Well, I would. Then they would have to go back and figure out the time frame that those CDs were there and then weren't there. Yes. Target does not care about tagging you for two CDs. Target. Target claiming it. No. Well, yes. For a loss. But Target cares about tagging you for those two CDs and putting it in the file. And the next time in you come in, you do it again, they put you in the file.

23:09Once that file reaches $950, they will charge. Yeah, but let me ask you a question. Don't they already know what our habits look like based on the receipt? Bingo. Every single time you're in there, they know how long you were in there. They know what you bought. They know your name. Your name. They know when you bought it, what time of week, what time of day you were there? Which is why I think it's also theft driven. I think it's maybe more about theft than the dynamic pricing, Huha. See, now why am I? Say Huha. I did. Um, you. I don't know. Do you know what that is? I've gotten kerfuffle. I'm trying to come up with terms. I feel like you should maybe come up with a different term. My brain's in a fog. I don't know what's going on. I know. It's been a rough week, man. As the only member of the show who has one of those, I'm going to use a different term. I'll pick a different term. Hogwash. Is that better?

24:09That's better than Huha. Do not Google that term on your work computer. Please. After it came out, I was like, nope, I know what that is. That's not what I'm going for. Anyway, causing mass mayhem. They're stealing stuff. Target wants you to stop. If the tree falls in the woods, does it really fall in the woods, Sam? Is that a CD in your pants? Are you just happy to see me? I'm happy. I'm just happy. As I was saying, before Sam dropped an inappropriate word on the radio, why am I coming to the defense of target? Maybe they're as innocent as. Oh, please. What are you going to hang on? We've laid out this section next to the groceries and then this section on the other side of that section. It doesn't seem to generate enough attention the way we want it to. It could be as simple as market analysis.

25:10You could be correct. I know from my previous job that they would take that into account, how long do people linger in certain portions of the store? Because our store design is flawed and they're getting bottled actor. Is it because that's where the hot products are? Do we need to spread out the hot products? Things like that. By the way, the headline is interesting to me because the company that makes this technology, which is basically just a chip in a shopping cart, right? It's their shopping cart. Announced this partnership almost 10 years ago. The tech in the cart thing first hit stores back in, wait for it, 2017. So why are we just now hearing? Why are we just now hearing about it? Oh, they've been stalking you inside targets and one arts and any big box store really for a very long time. Are they not allowed to? It's their store. They watch you on their cameras.

26:10Oh, they're most certainly allowed to do that. And these are their shopping carts. Do they not have a right to know where their carts are? They obviously didn't know at the time that they ended up in our parking lot and we raced them with people in them, which was awesome and needs to be brought back. But do they not have a right to chip their own equipment? If you said to me, it's the anti theft GPS thing. So you can only, in some parking lots now, you can only go as certain radius from the store and then the wheels lock up. You know that? No. Because, oh yeah, because the carts are expensive. We've looked this up like one shopping cart is actually expensive. They are nice. Right, very heavy plastic. Great for racing. Yes they are. I don't even remember what my point was. If you cross the barrier of the edge of the parking lot, the wheels lock up and get to carry it. It was for that. So we can track these carts down because they're so expensive. I don't think people would have a problem with it. Now that you say, well, actually we're following you around the store, I just have more questions

27:13than why? You've got my receipt that is attached to my credit card. This is attached to my name. Which why do you need to know which direction I go? Or I don't know, how long I parked the cart outside of the bathroom because all of a sudden I've got to use the restroom. And you receipt that has your name on it because you swipe your card is a better indicator of what you like and what you would normally buy than me randomly going down the calendar aisle and not buying a calendar, right? I was looking for a shortcut over to home improvement. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it plays into all of it. It will never know. The trick is they don't want you to know. Are you a store? Let's take a grocery store. Are you a store wanderer? Do you make a list go specifically where you know you're going and then check out? I don't make a list, but I buy a lot of the same products over and over and over again. And I'm not going to say I never go down the aisles because I do.

28:13Coffee's on an aisle, but I try to hang out on the outside of the grocery store as much as I can. Where the healthiest stuff lives. Yes. Fresh meats, fresh vegetables, fruits, all that stuff. Do I sometimes get a hankering for some Doritos? Yes. And I go down the chip style, but no, I know exactly what I want. And I'm I don't dislike going to the grocery store. I like grocery shopping, but that is not an hour long thing. I sent tea to the grocery store. I may never see her again. Yeah. And I go to the grocery store. I'm in and out in less than 10 minutes. I know what I want. I don't write a list. But I know what I want. Probably not the customer they want. They want the day in a room and all around. And I think we. I think she never thought she was going to buy it. Yeah, we're out of tomatoes, but let's try this. You know, I'm more willing probably to try different things. But you're more of an impulse buyer than I am. Sure. Yeah. I mean, you would go into target, for example, tell me if I'm wrong. You would go into a target and say, oh, I didn't know I needed this mirror.

29:17Right. This is a really nice mirror. Much more so with home goods than I am with grocery shopping. Like I'm not going to be like, I've never tried scallops because I hit the way they smell. Let's try those. They're on sale. I would never do that. But with home goods, it's why honestly, I sort of stopped grocery shopping at target because it's way too easy to wander over and be like, I could use a headband today, even though I've got nine at home. You know what I'm saying? Like in a grocery store, there's not a lot of, there's some, there's like that aisle where you can buy a like happy birthday America hat or something. But for the most part, grocery is grocery. Well, and that's why it could so easily be explained away through market analysis of we had no the target effect of you come in for two items. You're spending at least a hundred bucks. Yeah. We want to make sure we get those items that are most often looked at in front of your face. So you don't have to go looking for them. Do not give out the result from the US open because some people are recording this. I know. I'm not going to give out the result. Thank you. Very excited to go home, what's it?

30:18Okay. I'm one three five. Welcome back to your own show, Dana. I'm glad to have you back. 913-586-7798-586-7798. Here on Dana and Parks. Let's go to the phones Adrian in KCK. Hello. Oh my. Hey, how's it going? It's going well. Do you have your windows down? No, I do not. Oh, but I will take you off from our bluetooth. We appreciate that. Oh, that is so full of pictures. Okay, hang on. What is Adrian needs a moment? We'll give him one. Stephen and Olaytha. Hello, Stephen. Hey, thanks for taking my call. So why does they need to know where you're at and the store? Because they are meet out with technology with these electronic price tags where you can

31:25go into say like Walmers, Sam is wicked smart. He knows how to market to us. So they are making those electronic tags, price tags, and they have it to where you can go into the app. And you're walking down that aisle and you press a little button that says show me where it's at and there's a light beacon. And so the reverse of that is they know that you're there. They know you're on that aisle. So why not just beacon you over to something that they think that they want to market to you? Okay. All right, Stephen, thank you for the call. Let's try Adrian again. Hello. All right. Sorry. No problem. Well, yeah, I was just going to basically say what he just said. I worked for a big box retailer for several years and this has been around for, I don't know, 20 plus years. The large retail pharmacy that I worked for, they didn't use chips but there were like

32:28these modules in the ceiling that would track the traffic patterns of the customers. And basically in a retail store, a lot of these retail stores, especially the big boxes, all of the shelves have basically real estate value. So they're tracking those traffic patterns to figure out, you know, Coke may want to be on this end stand. Pepsi may want to fight for this. Freedom, whatever. It's able to assign a value to that because we know people walk through this area all the time or, you know, they're going to see this display first thing. I never thought of this. Hey, Adrian, do, and thank you for the call. Do companies like say Coca Cola? Do they pay for display space or is that? They really? Yes. Those spaces, especially the inside panels, display, special display areas, those have a value to them. So the company is able to sell that value by showing work customers can, can to congregate

33:30or how they travel through the store. I just thought that the end displays were for the, you know, the respective store to make more money because it's right there in front of you. No, it is, it is a valued marketing position. So those retail stores are able to squeeze extra value out of those spots. Thank you for the info, man. All right. Okay. Have you also noticed that competing products are never put next to each other? Like the Diet Coke and the Diet Pepsi could not be farther away. But I didn't know that the end display was something that companies actually paid for. And if their products are not in that spot, the distributor who comes in and restocks it because a lot of times it's the distributor that actually restocks it will throw a fit. Huh. By the way, we have another update in the Missouri Congressional map. I can't. I can't. No, no. The eighth circuit court of appeals denied to take up the issue. So we still have no idea what map we're going to be voting on.

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