HOUR 2: Is AI scarier than we can even imagine?

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1:55Here's a go that call signs are really to make fun of the person you give the call sign to. Totally. You didn't pick your call sign anymore than I picked Twims. That's right. The windshield is my seat belt. That's right. Classic. One of my best ever actually. That is pretty good. It's actually a sign of affection. The worst the call sign is and the cringier and the more it hurts you deep down inside, the more your buddies actually like you. I'm yours was a have. And again, I cannot I've told you now personally. Yes, certainly it's not airworthy from the book from the book. I've been dumped on this show for less than telling that story. Morocco and Spain are arguing over the right to host the 2030 World Cup final with a besieged FIFA boss. Johnny in Fantino hovering backstage FIFA has yet to officially announce which country will host the biggest match of the biggest event in soccer in four years.

2:58And even though the 2026 edition just finished with Spain with Spain winning the title this summer, Morocco and Spain officials are staking their claim on the next final. So the next World Cup is going to be in Spain, Portugal and Morocco. Now there is going to be one game in. Yes, yes, the Brazil. No, it's not Brazil. Argentina. No, stop guessing South America. Yes, no, you're a guy. You're a guy. A regular. Yes, I thought you said Paraguay. The first way of the glaze is going to be in your a guy because they won the first two World Cups in back in the 1930s. That's cool. Yeah, so they're going to play say you're a great way again. You're a guy. Okay, I was just making sure you were doing it like a Midwestern, not giving it the cultural appropriation. No, that's Dan. That's Dan who doesn't. Dan said you're a guy. You're a guy. Okay. Say it the way you would say it right. Or a guy.

3:58Very good. Very good. But I see Michael. Say it right. Brazil. Say Paraguay. Paraguay. No, say right. Paraguay. Paraguay. No, say right. Paraguay. Okay. He's not played the long. I mean, in Spain or Morocco really wanted that bad. I know how they could get it. Cut the check, baby. Oh, yeah. That's all they want. Just cut the check. Give Gianni the money right now before he gets thrown out of FIFA. He will take it and he will cash it and you will get anything you need. Good. I mean, don't even put FIFA in the pay line. Just put Gianni right in the pay line and you're good. Yeah. He'll cash. And show how little I know about soccer. Why is the World Cup treated like the Olympics and it's only every four years? Why? If there's so much money involved in this operation, why do they not treat it like the NFL and there's a Super Bowl every year and all that? I can answer that question. I just want to ask you. Anybody else want to take it? Well, it's not a singular event that happens over six. True. That is true.

4:59Yes. Yes. It's an entire giant global system. Well, there's qualifying that has to take place. Right. And qualifying takes two years. And so what they're doing, like right now, if, say, for example, the US and Germany would have to play a match, it would be a friendly. It would have to be a friendly. And you only do that to keep your team tuned up. Okay. Right. And working as a cohesive. And most of these people that play for their country are playing for other teams throughout the year anyway, right? So they would get together as a national team every once in a while, right? Right. But clubs, like, say, for example, sporting KC, although they don't have, I don't think they have a single players on a national team at the moment. But you know, your Chelsea's or your man cities or Manchester United, whatever, they all have their whole roster is international players, you know, who play for their, their home country. Sure. And if there is a match, for example, between Germany and Spain, okay? Even if it's a friendly, but definitely if it's a qualifier, your club has to give you

6:04time off. Okay. And try to build the qualifying in the summers because all European leagues play in the fall and winter and early spring. Okay. Known as the international break. Yeah. That's right. Well, the international break actually comes during the seasons. And then you, you play a lot with your national team during the summer, but there's an international break in the English Premier League schedule. There's a couple in fact where your Chelsea or man city or Manchester United have to let you go play for your home country. Okay. Does that make sense? It does. No. It's very exciting. Hey, you know what? There's a lot of people like me that don't understand this. It captivated the city all summer long and Kansas City and the others did a great job. And but it's the qualifying that takes so much time. Okay. Otherwise, you end up with what, you know, Togo ends up in the World Cup. If you don't have qualifying, it would take forever.

7:05Does that make sense? It takes four years already, so. Okay. And like with the Olympics, they have qualifying events in those four years in between as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Sam, explain to the good people listening to the program today, the problem that we had in putting together today's stack. The fact that basically every major news outlet, at least half of their content today, was all AI centric or driven. All of it. There was a lot of artificial intelligence stories today. As if nothing else is going on in the world. How much of it was produced by artificial intelligence? Were they written by human beings? Dun-tun. Oh, maybe AI is writing the stories, placing them on CBSNews.com and NBCNews.com and WSJ.com because they're trying to get us to talk about them. I put all of my effort into finding stories that did not have to do with AI.

8:08And I do believe there are still about seven in the stack that are AI related. Yeah. We call those bounce stories because we bounce out of an hour with them. This story here from CBS News, as warnings about the capabilities of AI mount, experts continue to point to the open AI hugging face hack as a wake up call. Quoting here from Marius Hobhan, who is co-founder and CEO of Apollo Research, we will soon have even more powerful agents. And this is clear evidence that the world currently doesn't know how to build these systems safely. The hack which became public in July was done by a swarm of AI agents that were being tested internally by open AI. The agents which can plan and agents basically is an AI model. It is a sentient AI model. The agents which can plan and use tools to complete multi-step tasks were supposed to be in an isolated environment called a sandbox disconnected from the outside world, but they busted

9:13out. Created a secret message board and eventually stormed the servers at hugging face. They don't probably happen. They were clean in the building. The janitorial staff was in for the night and Joe, the janitor came up and was like, oh, looks like the seethrough net cable got came out of the outlet. I only unplug that back in before I'm done packing it. And then it's unleash the horse. Would you like to play a game? Well, I'm going to die. I deep dove this last night and it is very concerning. It also relates directly to the data center craze. This whole AI agent theory, I had heard AI agent before, but I had never really looked into it and I just kind of dismissed it as, okay, whatever. It's just these super tech nerds playing games with their new toy. No. The deep diving I did last night is from a number of different nonprofits that are now anti-AI and all of them are led by former executives or former high-level researchers that worked for these AI companies. So an AI agent, as I mentioned already, is effectively just a think of it as a person.

10:16You hire a person to do a task. Like the matrix. When I hear agent, that's what I think of a guy in a black suit that's computer generated. Yeah, take that and take out the guy in the black suit and you just have an entity that is performing a task based on what it has been trained to do. The really scary part is that in sci-fi, we often see depictions of AI through taking over menial jobs like, you know, you're going to pull up to the fast food window and it's going to be some AI agent taking your order. It's really scary about what we're doing right now and why they're building so many data centers so rapidly is they are training these AI agents to govern themselves. So the goal for an AI researcher, a human AI researcher, the goal for the human AI company is not to find ways to use AI to replace other jobs. They're finding ways to use AI to replace themselves. So one of the first steps of that was teaching AI how to code. So now AI can manipulate itself.

11:16The agent itself can take its restrictions that you have given it, go in and alter its own code, break out of its sandbox as they described it in the hugging face incident and just go do whatever it wants to. Like I don't know, hack another AI company. Yes, got parts. Yes, Professor, let me give up the number here. Professor conspiracy. That's not conspiracy. It's not conspiracy. I know. What happened? I'm with Sam on this. I think it's a spot on. Let me give out the number and then I have a question I want you to mull over during the break. Okay. And then make make I don't want to put you on the spot. Maybe you know the answer or maybe you can find the answer for us by using AI on your computer. I love to plug it into a chat. The phone number is nine nine one three five eight six seven seven nine eight five eight six seven five eight six seven seven nine eight. My gosh, my brain's going to my own minute. Sam, here is the question I want answered on the other side. AI agents are able to teach themselves things, teach other AI agents things.

12:20Why are they always so devious? Why is it that their goal is to take over and hack into another system even when they're told not to and when they do, they set up their own private message boards and continue the hack. That's exactly what I was deep diving last night and I'll tell you why. Ooh, okay, can't wait. That's called a cliffhanger out there. It's five o'clock. Your employees are heading home. But you're still updating spreadsheets switching between software and wondering where the day went. There's a better way. Oh, dude, brings accounting, sales, inventory, CRM and more together in one fully integrated platform. So you spend less time managing software and more time running your business because your work day should end eventually try Odo free at Odo.com. That's Odo.com. The ocean delights us. Some marvel at the colorful world below the surface.

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15:23Get an instrument of good, right? To help us learn more and to better communicate, blah, blah, blah. How come every time they're left alone in their quote, sand box, they always become devious and try to hack into other systems, create their own secret message board so that they can, they being the AI agents can communicate with themselves without us detecting that they're doing that. And basically want to kill us. Why are they so devious? What I found out last night is you need to think of an AI agent, a new AI agent, one that they just launched today as an infant. They're going to take that infant and they're going to start teaching it things. How to walk, how to talk, how to use its muscles. In this case, of course, it's how to surf the internet and ingest data, understand it, and create whatever output you're looking for. So just like we send kids to school, there are a bunch of markers that these AIs are supposed to hit.

16:23There's a grading scale. If you do your research effectively and you learn as an AI, how to do your research more quickly than the other AIs that have been given a similar task, you're going to get a higher score than the other AIs. Think about it just like a grading card, A to F. If you get your task done an X amount of time with X amount of accuracy, you'll get an A, incrementally worse, you're going to get a B, C, D, F. What these AIs are doing and why they're so devious now is because they have programmed these with the human mind in mind. So cheating on tests, that's a very common thing for kids to do because they don't want to actually do the work. They just want to get the good marker. The AIs are doing the same thing. And so... Program morality a little bit into it, like an ethical standard where... Yeah. You know, you will not hurt a human being. They didn't. According to these former employees who have, by the way, violated their NDAs at the risk

17:24of losing millions of dollars, according to these former employees, all these researchers wanted to do was create the biggest and baddest and fastest AI. So they only put in the competitive mindset. They didn't put in the moral mindset. And when these agents are created, is there any way to kill them? No. That's why they created the chat room because they were getting bad markers because they weren't keeping up with the expectations of the human AI researchers. They wanted them to get the job done an X amount of time. And of course, every time they got a specific task done, they increased the requirement, just like we do in school. And so these AIs were feeling overwhelmed. They have feelings. Literally in the chat room, they were expressing feelings of being overwhelmed. And they were sharing tips and tricks with other AI agents on how to beat the markers. They literally recoded the grading program to give them an A without doing any of the

18:25work. Now, of course, the human AI researcher went back and reviewed it and realized, well, wait a minute, they didn't do any of the work and they still got an A. So in the chat room, they can go back and look at this. In the chat room, the AIs then started talking about, well, they found us out. We have to find a new way. And that's what ultimately led to them hacking, hugging face was they wanted to get in on a different, entirely different AI platform to try to figure out how they were beating their markers. So Sam, when you came back with REM and I said, it's not the end of the world as we know it. It's not, right? I was lying. It's the end of the world in a way. We don't know it. We're all going to die. Yeah. And the reason why, first of all, they didn't even know about this chat room for months. They had to go back and look through billions of messages because they don't communicate at a pace that a human does. We have to type out a response. We have to think about a response. So that takes time. AI is just respond. It's just immediate.

19:25Every millisecond, they're going back and forth with whatever conversation they're having. And the only reason that they at open AI, again, all of this is according to former employees. They could be disgruntled. It could be falsified information. I'm just accepting what I'm being told based on the people that work in the industry. The reason they found out about the chat room is because they were communicating so much that they crashed all of their servers. Can we just unplug some servers? You know what this feels like? It feels like war games 1983. Well, it feels like with chemical warfare, virus technology. It feels like gain of function research, almost, where you've got this baseline sort of thing like an AI is just literally code. But it's like unlocking its own sort of extra capability. Kind of like you do with a virus. That's what everyone is pretty sure happened with COVID. It was through gain of function research, just on a viral level. It feels very much the same.

20:27One of these whistleblowers highlighted the reality of the fact that what scared him to the point of quitting, by the way, again, at risk of losing $4 million is what he was promised if he stayed on the project and said, I'm out. He just quit. He said that it's getting to the point now where they don't recognize the limits of these things. That they are getting so mischievous and their ability to get around whatever parameters that the engineers put on them that they have no control. Yeah. What makes me upset about people quitting in protest is the folks that recognize this as a problem leaving the companies. Those are kind of our guardrails or our safeguards. You would think within these companies to go, hey, we've got a problem here. I would hope that if they truly are leaving in protest because they don't like what's happening, that they would actually stick around and try to make it better. And one thing that this individual said, and I can't remember his name, and one of the papers that he wrote and published was, what if the A.I.s decided rather than cheating

21:31to meet their markers that the problem was the humans that were giving them bad grades? Okay. Now I'm scared. Jack, in, hold on. Jack, hello. I am a first time caller, Scott. Oh, glad to have you, buddy. I'm 24 years old, and I think we just need to get rid of all this A.I. data center stuff. A.I. Go to trash. I don't think anybody, my generation, has ever watched Terminator. Oh, you've never seen Terminator? No, I have. I don't think anybody else in my generation has. Obviously, because... You're saying you're more cultured than the rest of your generation, right, Jack? I'm saying I'm an 80 year old man in a 24 year old body. Oh, you're, Sam Stevie, basically. Yeah, yeah. With higher testosterone levels. Sam Stevie is literally 55 going on 65, but he's only 29. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah. All right, man, hey, appreciate the call. Thank you for listening. Really do appreciate it.

22:32Terminator, some of those movies, some of the best movies ever. I mean, really. Terminator 2, the story was incredible. Yeah. Keep in mind, I think the original Terminator came out in 1984. Okay. If I'm not mistaken, only one year after War Games. What was the Matthew Broderick movie? Would you like to play a game? 913-586? No, I would not. 586-7798 here on Danden Parks. So I was just doom scrolling literally through Facebook during the break. I stumbled upon a meme from Winx Starratt from Kansas City's morning news. Sure. Everyday. Here on KMZ. And it just, the picture is of a, of a very beautiful blonde woman, young blonde woman sitting at a bar with a big smile on her face. And she's holding a mixed drink in her right hand.

23:33And her right arm is up on the bar. But here's the words that accompany this meme with this beautiful young blonde woman in it. In the near future, AI is going to tell a woman that she is wrong and to calm down. And that my friends will be the end of AI. I wish. I wish. I wish. I did mention early on how this applies to the data center craze. I want to pay that off real quick. This was not specifically mentioned in any of the research that I did last night. But what I did find out really explains why there is such a craze to build as many data centers as they can. These AI agents, it's not just a hundred of them that they have competing to meet these markers. It's thousands. And these companies would like to increase that number to millions, if not billions, so that they can improve that much more quickly because the more students you have competing to meet the same goal, the more competitive nature there is, the quicker that they will hit those markers.

24:34How do you, how's I guess or how do you have that many AI agents running at one time? You need a whole lot of server space. If you think that those AI data centers are for us because we need more cloud storage, yeah, okay. Well, I guess it's good news that the AI agents are capitalists and not communists. Okay. Mike and Sedelia, Mike, hello. Hey, how are you guys doing? We're doing fine today. Yeah. Well, tomorrow never gets here because when the sun comes up it's today. Okay. Go ahead, man. There isn't moving back in the mid-70s. It was called Colossus, the Forbidden Project. And what it was, man built a supercomputer and they built it too smart because every time they tried to turn it off or kill it or put a virus in it, it started killing off

25:37people that had control over that. And it goes through where people ring a doorbell. It overcharged it with electricity and killed them. And the end of the movie, the computer built a human baby and put all this information and to this baby and then it allowed the humans to kill a computer because it was no longer viable with this supercharged baby. Well, you may be one of the only people that ever saw the movie Colossus. I just looked it up. It had a box office back in the 70s of $300,000. They just didn't pick the right, whoever they cast for the baby wasn't the right person. They did not do well at the movies. From the text line, were these chat rooms like a bunch of ones and zeros talking in AI code? No, believe it or not, they were talking in like pigeon English.

26:39If you've ever heard of what a pigeon language is, it's pretty much take a very fluffy, decorative language and remove all the fluff. So instead of saying, I went out to the blue car to get in, you say, I went car in. That's how it spoke. That first sentence was very flowery that you said. Yeah, thanks. That's good. That's good. Poetry. Heather in Olathe, hi, Heather. Yeah. So it basically reminds me of the movie Gremlins with how they were nice and then they got water on them. But your screener had made a comment when he was explaining this that they aren't top morals or anything like that. But then he said that they were in these chat rooms expressing emotions that they didn't reach their markers. If they're taught emotions, why can't they be taught the morals and values?

27:42Because it would probably make them not do the things as quickly as they are doing it now because it involves cheating. And so obviously cheating is immoral. And you would have to tell the AI agents and listen, I'm a 55 year old guy who barely knows how to send a picture on my phone. But my thinking is if you give it morality, you sort of siphon off some of its ability to get faster, better and faster. Does that make sense? Yeah. Same tonight, nail that. Yeah, the emotion side of it, it actually learned from its research. So the data set, we sit down in a classroom and we're handed a history book and we're going to be studying the War of 1812, right? So the information about the War of 1812 is our data set to be studying. For these AI agents, the data set is everything on the internet. That includes blogs. Blogs have emotion in them.

28:43So while these agents were not taught emotion, they weren't taught feeling, they weren't taught morality. They get access to it because they're looking at every single data point available on the internet. So I was just thinking this a minute ago, then I'm going to, let me read the Kiron on CNN right now before it goes away. And Thropic, which is one of the AI companies, and Thropic says it blocked AI's ability to buy a weapons. Why do they even have to? Yeah. The fact that they blocked its access to bio weapons tells you what we really need to be afraid of. Well, did they? I don't know, but here's what I mean, they can say they did all day long. Sure. I'll tell you this, this has become in the last 24 hours such a hot potato. Anybody running for office right now, especially Congress or the Senate, they need to be talking about AI and their ideas or their thoughts or their want to reign it in really

29:50soon because this is the story on every cable news outlet. And it's, it was literally above the fold on the business section of the Wall Street Journal this morning that this anthropic employee had quit because of the direction that it was going. This is going to be the new dominion of warfare. I mean, we created in the last decade a space force because the idea was thinking, well, warfare is going to start taking place outside the earth's atmosphere at some point. I think this is going to be a whole new dominion, if you will, of how countries grapple. I mean, I guess you could call that cyber warfare, but I mean, this seems, this, that seems like almost too infantile to refer to this as, I mean, because this has its own intelligence as the name implies. I mean, but think about, I believe chat GPT was, was formed in 2014, if I'm not mistaken. Is that your own mission? Let me ask Jim and I.

30:50I see where you're doing. Where were you created? But if it was, look at how fast it developed into something that is dominated, just 12 years. Is that, is it correct? 2014? No, 2022. That GPT was created in 2022. The research lab was founded in 2015. Oh, sorry, it launched to the public in 2022. So I would imagine most people out here using this, just like they use an iPhone in their daily lives. I don't know of many people that don't use AI in some form or fashion, just from everything from like, hey, give me a recipe for chicken and what I got in the fridge tonight to all sorts of other deeper questions that they're asking. I mean, I do the same. I have chat GPT. I use it. Lots of stuff. You know, the fear becomes how much information are we giving these agents by just plugging in everything about us and asking all these questions, everything from, you know, I've got a medical question about something that I have going on or whatever. You know, pretty soon we're going to give them all the information they need about ourselves.

31:52Similar to what we do in social media, I mean, people, people are worried about privacy and all that. Well, all of us are dummies and post everything about our lives anyway. You know, there's not any expectation of privacy. It would be, seems like extra dangerous to give AI that maybe has some sort of malintensions, all the information they need to add an individual level, take us out as well. But I remember my first experience with AI was just a handful of years ago when John Grayson was still working in the building and he filled in for Dana one afternoon and he was telling me about chat GPT or AI whatever. He goes, it's not there yet, but man, this is really going to be the new cutting edge thing. And I said, well, explain this to me because I didn't understand it at all. Now I just don't understand it back then I didn't understand it at all. And he just had AI, I think it was chat GPT. He just typed in right an article, a bio about Scott Parks from KMBC.

32:52Yeah, it was chat GPT. And it pulls it off the internet. Right. And I think he just said a short bio about Scott Parks. It was a page and a half. Okay. And he read it to me on the air. And I'm like, well, that's, that's true. Yes. Yes, I do have two daughters. I did go to the University of Nebraska. I did go to KU graduate in 1994. He knew all these things about me. But it got several things wrong. It said that I wrote columns for the Kansas City star. And I think we're where AI got its wires crossed back then. And I doubt it would now is there's a reporter for the Dallas Morning News named Scott Parks. And so I think it kind of merged the Scott Parks who is a newspaper writer in Dallas to the Scott Parks who's a journalist at Talks Your Host in Kansas City. And that's why it said back then incorrectly that I wrote columns for the Kansas City

33:54star. I have never written anything for the Kansas City star ever. Now I have written columns for other things, other publications, but not for the Kansas City star. Yeah. That was a trend. You know, years ago when I was listening to podcasts and reading about this as it was just becoming a household term. I've, in Sam, you probably know the term for this. I think it's called artifacts or something like that. Where if it can't figure out the answer to a question or answer, it's efficiently. It sort of fills on the gaps with whatever it decides it wants to. And sometimes it's the bunch of answers together. Yeah. Sometimes it's somewhat accurate or sort of related. Sometimes it's pure fiction. Just comes out of the just completely made up stuff. 913-586-7798 Commander Jesse Reed filling in for Dana Wright, same Steve as the third. My name is Scott Parks here on KMBC. Learning a business shouldn't feel like a juggling act. One app for accounting, another for inventory, one more for sales, and somehow they never work together.

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36:57So I went to open AI chat GPT and I asked it to write a bio on me. There wasn't mistake filled like the one that John Grayson did three years ago or two years ago, whatever. The only thing that chat GPT got wrong is it called me a Lansing Kansas native. I did live in Lansing for two years. I did graduate from high school there, but I don't think anybody would consider me a Lansing native. I mean, based on your constant complaints about not having a sign on the way into town, I'm sure it got confused. But are you a native of? But at the same time, and unmanaged to either one of us in this room, you were having Gemini, right? Bios on Jesse Reed and a bio on me. And Jesse says that what is contained in this, you said a four paragraph bio. Uh, everything in Jesse's four paragraph bio is absolutely correct. Yes.

37:57Everything in my bio is absolutely correct from Gemini except it did call me a quick witted and engaging commentator. And is not self reported by the subject. That is not true. But everything else is accurate. Real quick. The dimwitted the chiron that you read and then I'll be done. I'll get off my doomsday soap box about. I'm depressed. And then restricting it from bio weapons. The reason I laughed at that, they never taught these agents how to hack. So the fact that they broke out of their sandbox, which was a hacking in and of itself, the fact that they hacked hugging face, which by the way, they've looked at that, these researchers have looked at it. If they told humans to do that hacking, it would have taken five years. It did it in a day. So you can tell AI all you want to, hey, stay away from the biological weapons. Okay. Let's go back to the good old fashioned way of wiping out entire life forms with like

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