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2:02Zews cannot spend millions of dollars on new exhibits without committing a substantial portion of those budgets to incite to conservation of the very animals they choose to showcase. As Zews become the last place where those species can safely survive, then Zews have failed in which should be their top priority, to protect wild animals in the wild where they truly belong. It is that belief that led me to create what I am most proud of in my career, the establishment of the Ron McGill Conservation Endowment at the Zumaimi Foundation. When people ask me what I want my legacy to be, I want it to be this endowment. It's been established in such a way that long after all of us are gone, it'll continue to fund conservation initiatives and scholarships that will help ensure the survival of some of our world's wonderful wildlife for generations to come. I want to thank the Zumaimi Foundation for giving me the opportunity to remain connected to Zumaimi and continue sharing the stories that matter. I am deeply honored to serve as the Foundation's Goodwill Ambassador and Conservation Liaison,

3:03a role that will allow me to focus on conservation while remaining closely involved with both our local and global communities. In this position, I will continue to be available to speak to individuals and groups throughout the community in educational, civic, and social organizations, in the hope of inspiring a love of wildlife and a commitment to protecting it for generations to come. Through the Zumaimi Foundation, I will also manage the newly established into the wild travel program, drawing on my many years of visiting all seven continents to create and lead inspiring adventures in nature travel for zoo supporters and donors. Most importantly, I will be able to continue building the Ron McGill Conservation Endowment, ensuring ongoing support for insective conservation programs around the world. I'm providing scholarships for those dedicated to careers in wildlife conservation. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for all the incredible support I've received for so many years. I'm looking forward to see what lies ahead. We'll see you around. Ron McGill will be on with us here shortly.

4:04He's not going anywhere as it relates to this show. We love him and he will be around here for as long as we are around here and he's around here. No worries on that front, but Ron will talk to us about retiring in a little bit here. I wanted to do something here that I was remiss in not doing yesterday because we make a lot of fun of Pavlotore in general. I think that the audience who appreciates what this show is and what that show is and just the universe around this show has some sort of understanding of how difficult it is to be as excellent as Pavlotore finds out has been. But the number of awards that this podcast continues to get because its excellence is that distinct is truly staggering. Like it has been a monumental sports achievement to watch Pavlotore win and I'm just going

5:05to list some of the awards. It's not a few of them. It's a lot of them. I don't know what the ambies are Chris informed me that they're the Oscars of podcasting. But he wasn't just named the best sports podcast because he was also named the podcaster of the year. Those are two different awards. So it was what do you make him say that podcast? No, it's not. He's not naming himself that this is a group of people. What do you mean? He named himself that. I'm pretty sure he named himself podcast of the year. I saw him do that. No, he did not. He didn't name himself. This is the Oscars of podcasting. I've never heard of the ambies. Who said that? I don't know what the ambies are. The boy. The O.Y. Podcast of the Year. Thank you. You didn't get that. Everybody knows the boy. Congrats to Pavlot. Chris Pavlotore. Do me the favor of showing you why Greg Cody isn't the podcaster of the year by just playing the sound of his stomach at the end of yesterday's show.

6:06What was that sound? That was your step. We're not making that up. I deny it. Yesterday in the post game show, it was damn being like, all right. Thank you guys. Oh, that noise came. That noise did not. Is it dead? Is that a dog that's around? That's not an edit. It sounded like a dog. That's not Ollie. No. That is so much more of a ferocious growl than the one Ollie has. That's not me. It is you. You're denying something that's absolutely you. That is not distorted by us. That is why you're not the podcaster of the year, even though it's the best sound to come out of your body of any kind. Let's examine for a second. What's that? Four hours of coffee. Let's not examine that. No, I want to examine not only that, but just in general. I'd like to examine how it is that the body makes that sound and how it is that in your imagination. If I hadn't told you what this sound was, what would you guys have guessed this sound was? Well, it's a small angry animal. Yeah, it sounds like a dog, right?

7:07That's why it's not mongoose. If it were me, it wouldn't be the coffee. It would be the lack of breakfast. Why? Because I come in yesterday. There's no bacon. It's a bacon job that I come in here and I can't get my bacon. Greg, you know what that was? Another Greg Cody. First down. That's a bacon job that he couldn't have bacon. You guys, we're going to play that sound from Ron McGill and ask him what animal makes this sound. We're going to say it is an animal. And we're going to say what is this? Identify this sound. So it's not just that Pablo is getting Best Sports Podcasts. It's not just that he's getting podcaster of the year. He's also won the Gold Signal Award for Best Sports Show, the Silver Signal Award for Best Video Podcasts. He's won the Gold Medal for Best Documentary Podcasts from the Sports Podcast Awards. And last year, he won the Edward R. Murrow Award for Sports Reporting, as well as a Peabody nomination. You guys are all bored by this, as I say it.

8:09I know Juju's not. I know Juju likes to celebrate. Juju's a good teammate. The rest of you are bad teammates. What do you mean? What do I mean? What do you mean? I salute Pablo Torre. Me too. Us winning. So salute my brother. And Matthew Sullivan. I salute you. And everybody else a part of the PFTO podcast. I agree. Well put. I totally agree. He's the best Torre since Joe. And when you said Edward R. Murrow, I perked up. That's an award right there. Hey, yo, the Ed. You perked up? I did perked up. What's that look like? The Ed is what he just called the Edward R. Murrow Award. That's what we call it in the industry. Yes. The Ed. Let me see here. Tony, just, I don't mean to pick on you here. Because I don't think Zaz knows either. Do you guys know who Edward R. Murrow is? Of course. Legendary broadcaster. Yeah. Newsman, right? Journeyman Newsman. He was Krunkite before Krunkite.

9:10Exactly right. Thank you. Greg, take the words right out of my mouth. You're welcome. Play that sound again. Not me. Greg, we're not making this up. OK, this is not a distortion. It wouldn't be the first time you made up something to embarrass me. But we're not doing that. I'm promising you that's not something that we're doing. I'm going to get you the full context. I'll get you the how yesterday show ended. OK, clearly that's AI. That's artificial intelligence. You ask AI. AI, make a rendition. More G.I. You don't hold a phone like that when you talk to AI. Greg Cody, whatever, growling. You're so busy making your own jokes that you didn't hear him say more G.I. than AI because it is. It's a gastrointestinal issue. OK. It is. Like, you cannot have, look. You cannot have two thermoses of coffee on an empty stomach. You haven't eaten anything in 18 hours. Your stomach is going to give you the dancing swords. Like, for sure, you have no chance. I'm surprised that you don't notice that your body is making these sounds.

10:12Bacon, gate. You know about that IBS? No. Flashing my flesh, blood on my blood. We're going to trick Ron McGill with it, correct? For sure. He's going to say that's some sort of, like, small rodent, maybe a varmant of some sort. A rodent. We have talked before here about how, in general, the sports fan is a bit numb to cheating. I really don't know, at this point, what the cheating scandal for performance enhancers is that I would have to put in front of you for it to start a lot of clucking outrage. But Jerks and Profar being suspended for an entire baseball season at the age of 33. It costs the braves, obviously. He's 33 years old, and I understand at that age why you would go through the pharmacy to try and do something like this. But 162 games suspension is baseball reacting to something it didn't react to a long time ago

11:12with punitive measures that are really punitive. Like, I don't know how long the average baseball career is, but there is very little precedent. There's some, but there's very little precedent for a guy getting an entire year. 162 games at the age of 33. I'm going to say it comes pretty close to ending your career because I don't think you could just not play a year of baseball at the big league level and just return intact. And you're going to return stained. What do I have to do in baseball? I have to make it a star, right? I have to make it Aaron Judge or Otani for anybody to actually care about this. I can't make it Jerks and Profar. Yeah, but I don't think it's just a baseball thing. I mean, if random NBA player got popped for drug testing for the full season, I think we'd kind of shrug our shoulders there too. I don't think it's just isolated. But a full year suspension, look, I don't, baseball has in some instances become a, it's supposed to be the national pastime,

12:14but it's become something of a regional sport. And I know they care about this in Atlanta. They do care about this in the city that it happens. But I'm, when I'm marveling at is the idea that a year suspension on a starter could be met by an audience that is so numb to cheating with a shrug. Because 162 games is crazy. That's, that is somebody and he's a repeat offender, right? So, and so that's the reason that that's happening. But even sports media members like Cody's over here yawning, despite all the coffee that he drinks, he's yawning at this subject matter. The reason, and I wasn't yawning, but the reason that it's a mild interest to me is that when we think of PEDs, particularly in baseball, you start with the biggest names possible. Clemens, bonds, A-Rod. And so when you get somebody who's not a household name, it barely resonates with me. You remember the first name that got popped when they started instituting these rules?

13:16And you know, you would expect it to be like this big. What's a Guillermo Mota? D-Gordon? No, I think it was Alex Sanchez. Like it was, it was a guy who doesn't look like he has any type of muscles and he's getting popped for the entire season back. Yeah, this is the equivalent of Jared Vanderbilt has been suspended for an entire NBA season. I mean, shoot from a local perspective. We weren't that outraged or there in that blood last season. He got popped for 20 games. As he started playing while I was happy. Yeah. Folks, listen up, quick break in the action. Are you counting down the days until payday? Instacash from Moneyline can help you access up to $500 of your hard-earned pay early. There's no interest, no credit check, and no monthly fees. So you can manage those in-between expenses with less stress. Download the Moneyline app and link your qualifying bank account to see what you qualify for. Moneyline. Make money easy. Instacash is subject to terms and eligibility requirements expedited to deliver your cries of turbo fee. See Moneyline.com. What are you reaching for? If you're a smoker or a dipper, you could be reaching for so much more with Zen nicotine pouches.

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16:21This is the Don Lebertard show with this two guts. The thing that happens here to me that's interesting and not right morally is it's not the crime. It's the criminal. You guys don't actually care about the crime. It's give me a famous name. And so doing the exact same thing. That's a good example by Tony. That's the only reason I'm interested in the headline, Chauncey Billups Facing Decades in Prison is because it's Chauncey Bill. Yeah, we'll close everybody. Sorry, how about this? Let's play the context for Greg Cody. This is why he does not win, podcaster of the year or any awards whatsoever. Here's the context for Greg Cody ending punctuating the show yesterday. And those I oppose. Thank you. It's great timing though.

17:23Like how the stomach know the timing of when it's doing that all show and it's been doing it for months because again, I don't know how many of you drink coffee. You can't drink thermoses full of coffee on an empty stomach. On stomach that's been empty for 18 hours. Look, this is what's in his stomach. I'm gonna tell you how his evening goes. No bacon, that's what's in my stomach. I'm gonna tell you how his evening goes. He has dinner. He's gone 2026. The scandal waiting to happen. At 6 p.m. Waiting that he stops eating food so it doesn't get in the way of the beer buzz. Oh, this guy. Is that true? It's, he's blaspheming me. It's sacrilege. I know you. The lies you say about me. I know you. You just said I never win awards. I've won several writing awards just in the past years. You don't win broadcasting awards. No, I've never won. I've never won a war before tonight. Never won an ad. Too far from the mic. That's my problem. With.

18:23No, I wanna know if there is a strict rule in the Cody household that you know a lot of people they won't eat after 8 p.m. Yeah, I watch your weights. What time did you have dinner on Monday? It was later than usual because I was waiting for my wife to get home and she was late so it was like 7.37.45. Okay, and so you have gone by the time your stomach is picking, that sound you've gone a full 16 hours without any food in your stomach. It's all been liquid. There's been beer. Yes or no? It depends on the day. Sometimes I'll ask him what he had for lunch and he'll be like, I had a couple chips. Did the day end in a while? Yes, it did, as a matter of fact, coincidentally. You have banquet of food here. You serve breakfast, not bacon. You serve breakfast and lunch here. So that's why I'm gaining weight is working two days a week on this show. It's a banquet before I leave. And then that's not my noise. AI. Tell you, artificial intelligence is taken over the world, man. It's hurting people.

19:25Just like it's doing that to me now. Everybody thinks I made that sound. You did make that sound. We're not making this up. Sure you're not. Yeah, you and Christopher would never get together to embarrass me. I'm promising the audience as someone who does not like the audience. I'm promising the audience that that is not distorted, sound in any way. And that's why you never win the ed. I have never won the ed. You're right. And I would love to. I can't believe you guys aren't more impressed by Pablo. There are a lot of people making podcasts. There are a lot of people doing sports podcasts. Everyone's got a microphone. Everyone's got a show. Pablo's the one winning all the award. I mean, unlike some people, I don't aggressively nominate myself for every award out there. And I'm not saying Pablo does. That sounds good. Thank God someone said it. He does. He does aggressively. He does. Everyone that exists. He does aggressively nominate himself for award. And pays for it. He tried to pay me to get nominated for a sui. Trista, he doesn't pay for it. You do. We do.

20:25We do. Metal, metal, lark media pays for the nominations. But still, he's, he's still, what, how is this a spake handle? I mean, I'm pretty sure Oscar winners also have to nominate and pay. Like, this is all awards, do this. I don't know about that. Not the ad. The ad is above reproach. The ad comes to you. You don't go to the ad. Put that on the phone. Put it on the poll at Levittar Show. Does the ad come to you? You don't come to the ad. Just like to remind you, that's going to read ED. Oh, that's true. That does come to you. And it does. Recreate comment. Has Steven A. Smith had anything to say yet about the penalty? Monitoring. Oh, it's coming up. It's coming up. Coming up. Steven A responds to the public in social media video. Man, they milked the first 40 minutes of that show. Just that deblock talking, talking about everything else, instead of his feud with the pelicans in Zion.

21:26Unfortunately, to report here, you have to pay a fee to submit for the Edward R. Murrow Award. Oh, no. Yeah. Tough times for the Murrow Foundation in the state of Edward R. That is sad. I want to get to some football things with you guys. I've got top five. Tony's got top five, low key free agents. And jujus got top five NFL players that he doesn't trust based on 24 hours later. And it's why he doesn't win the ed. Based on yesterday's conversation about players in sports, you trust least, like James Harden. But before we do that, I did want to get to something. I know we've gotten kind of used to, I guess, over the last, I don't know, two months, maybe three months, yeah, two on Kyler Murray aren't going to be with the same teams. And I know if you've been listening to Tony, Tony's been down on Kyler Murray for a while. I think Kyler Murray still has value. And I'm really kind of surprised that Kyler Murray's just going to be waved.

22:26Nobody wants to pick up that contract. But I would think that if you're, say, the Minnesota Vikings, and you have Justin Jefferson, who has to be wildly frustrated at what happened with JJ McCarthy, I would think that the Minnesota Vikings has one example. How old is Kyler Murray? Can you look that up for me, please? Can't be 30. No. The thing that you can now do in that sport, we were talking yesterday about the fact that past rushers have enormous value. But the greatest value that you can have is a quarterback that is good at value. So you can build the rest of your team. And what the Arizona Cardinals taught me by drafting Kyler Murray is, ooh, we can move with these new rules off of the salary caps. So Josh Rosen, get out of here. We're done with you. We don't have to do this for several years where we're trying to figure this out. Get out of here. And the Vikings can now do that with JJ McCarthy as well

23:27if something is available that's better. They moved off of Sam Darnold as a quarterback. That was a mistake. The Sam Darnold thing was not an illusion in Minnesota. He reinvented himself in Minnesota. And Seattle saw something that I'm going to dare say the rest of the world didn't. But Seattle saw something. And I would say that whatever Seattle saw, I would hold Kyler Murray in higher regard right now than I held Sam Darnold in when he was available to Seattle. That's me. Maybe the rest of you are ahead of me on believing in Sam Darnold more than that. Tony, I know you're out on Kyler Murray. But at this minute right now, I hold Kyler Murray in higher regard as a quarterback than I did when Sam Darnold became available with the Vikings. And if I give him, I know what you loved. You loved Preset with McBride because he opened up McBride. I like the Cardinal skill position, guys. I don't like him the way I like Justin Jefferson. I thought that Sam Darnold was a contrivance in Minnesota because I thought their skill guys were that good.

24:27I believe if I put Kyler Murray in Minnesota, I reinvent him. You don't only talk about As of Jefferson, you talk about Addison, you talk about Jalen Naylor, like there's a lot of good weapons that they have there. Hawkinson. Hawkinson too, Aaron Jones, like the list goes on and on. KOC is the reason why Sam Darnold was good. And I get it. Those are contrivance of, you have an extremely great play collar in Kevin O'Connell. Sam Darnold's gonna look good. You can kind of throw in anybody there. But what Sam Darnold did was he throws the ball in a way that Kyler Murray just simply cannot. I know Kyler Murray has a live arm, but he can't throw the boundary. He has a really tough time throwing up the middle because he can't see, right? Sam Darnold's six, four and a half. And Kyler Murray's like, what, five, ten? Ish, like there's a completely different skill set that Sam Darnold doesn't have the Kyler Murray does. I will grant you that, but I don't think it's the end versus true. What about the team with the aging superstar, the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team like that, would you see Kyler fitting in there? Sure, I think it's scheme reliant, right? Like whatever it was that Arizona was running,

25:28like they had a lot of pieces that were great that didn't fit Kyler Murray, right? Kyler Murray will have a much bigger market than Tua will, right? Well, all it takes is three or four teams to need a quarterback. And we're all assuming starting quarterback here. I'm not, I think in a certain situation in the right price, you sign Kyler Murray or Tua as experienced backups at this point. They're not the same class, though. I would have a hope with Kyler Murray that I would not have with Tua. I think Kyler Murray will be a starter somewhere next year. Way too much need a quarterback for Kyler Murray to be on a bench somewhere. I don't think Kyler Murray is any good either. He's not the way. But I think he will be a starter somewhere next year. Well, Minnesota, Atlanta, the Jets. I mean, there are enough teams to have a little bit of a bidding award. And I agree with you. Kyler Murray's got more market value than Tua. There's no question about that. But I do think Tua's career is not done. He's going to wind up somewhere. Kyler Murray or Mac Jones? Oh, man. Mac had some good showings in San Francisco, then. Kyle Shanahan, everyone does. Baker Mayfield, everyone does.

26:28So let's get back to the conversation of players coach. Is Kyle Shanahan a player's coach? Like does he give off to you a whole lot of? I wrote, I wrote soft, but then he scratched it out and then I put half way. So the successful coaches in that sport, I know there are multiple ways to win. I know that there are multiple things you want from a coach. But if you said to me, and I think I'm different from the audience this way and the power of the illusion of leadership, I believe that the grand majority of football fans would prefer a coach who's in charge as a value than what I'd prefer, which is give me O'Connell and somebody who can make a quarterback. Like just give me the skill set of that guy can make a quarterback. Give me what Ben Johnson can do as a play caller. I don't care if he's got control of his locker room.

27:31I don't care if he's a player's coach. I don't care about culture. I don't care whether guys are on time. Can he make Caleb Williams into somebody who doesn't become Kyler Murray? Because you guys are sitting here saying Kyler Murray sucks. And I do think Kyler Murray, what he has done is he sort of gets stuck in the particular position of never before this time, has there been a quarterback of that size that's allowed to play the position because you have to be able to see over your offensive lineman. A quarterback usually, Kyler Murray would have never before he got drafted, where he got drafted, that would have never happened if Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson hadn't at that size, showed you that it doesn't have to just be in the pocket. You can roll out, you can make some of the throws. You say he stinks and I like the Cardinal skill position players. I do like them. Like I, I thought that Harrison was going to be a number one. And he hasn't been there for anybody. He was supposed to be a lock for number one riders.

28:33I blame Mike for that because Mike made this bet his rookie year that he's my lock of the season to go over on yards. Everyone was sitting there. That right there is where it all ended for him. In sports championships aren't one alone. The one with the right people around you. That's exactly what into a topo tax brings to taxes. With topo tax expert full service, match with a dedicated tax expert who handles your taxes from start to finish. The experience is seamless. Starting person, finish online, move between both whenever needed. The dedicated tax expert keeps things updated every step of the way so nothing falls between the cracks. They give it like having a great head coach with a solid game plan. The plays are called, adjustments are made, and the work gets done where everyone stays focused on what actually matters. And just like game film doesn't wait for business hours, neither do taxes. With topo tax expert full service, you can get any tax question answered at no extra cost, even on nights and weekends during tax season. This is having someone in your corner running the whole operation and helping put points on the board. Get started at topotax.com.

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31:45Titan in the world right now. And like what he was not able to do with Tramon Bride, like throw him touchdowns, use him in the red zone. Like, it can't just be scheme related, where we're not going to scheme our best guy open. It's like, Carlos got to find the guys and he just never did. I got a question for the room. Bowmoney Jones. Do we think he's a smart guy? Yes. Well, Bowmoney says that he would take Kyle Murray over. Jalen Hertz, Bonyx, and Bryce Young. I wouldn't take him over any of those guys, actually. I wouldn't take him over any of those. Wow. Well, but wait a minute, though, because Bonyx, you're saying that the coach can make that quarterback, right? Like, we're all in agreement that Bonyx is a product of whatever it is Sean Payton's doing. None of us expected that from Bonyx. Bryce Young, he was good last year. I don't know if Kyle Murray couldn't have done the same sort of things in Carolina that Bryce Young was doing, yeah, because Bryce Young is another, Bryce Young benefits from the pioneering of Kyle Murray. He's also too small like he's, he's a quarterback who would not have been a lot, wouldn't have

32:45been drafted, wouldn't have been, not that high five years ago, six years ago, Bryce Young does not get drafted that high because you tell me when all this change, it was with Russell Wilson. Yes, Rick Russell Wilson is the guy that size who's allowed to play the position before that. We would have never drafted Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young, Kyle Murray, that high because quarterbacks have to be the size of Tom Brady and Pete Manning. Right. No, you're right. Yesterday, we were talking about Ruben Baines, arm length being an inch too short. And it certainly applies when you have a short quarterback. But I agree with you. I would rather argue that Arizona gave up on Kyle Murray too soon than I would argue he's no good. Well, the thing though that I've been talking about the dolphins and the hopelessness of their position, Arizona, who you got that's better than that. Like I understand the percent, percent's not an answer. I know, percent through a ton of yard, percent had a great statistical season last year and the cardinals were the cardinals.

33:46Like they were terrible. They lost a ton of one score games, a ton of one score games. But I think they lost them at least in part because percent was their quarterback. Well, the also in terms of Kyle Murray and them giving up on him right now, like the reputation ain't so great, you know, and certainly behind the scenes, they know even more than the things that have been leaked out and we know about Kyle Murray. Guys, they gave up on him too soon. How many years was Tana Hill? Yes, no, yes, no. How many years? Seven? Okay, seven exactly for Kyle Murray. How's it too soon? Nobody is. He's a guy that's going to give you incredible plays once in a while, but he's going to put you in a lot of really bad situations, make a lot of stupid throws. So Juju brought up though, Jalen Hertz, and that's an interesting one, right? That's my guy though. Yeah, but that one, you think if I took Kyle Murray and put him in the Eagles offense? Like Jalen Hertz is a special quarterback in that offense, but that offense won the Superbowl because they had the best player at every position on offense. Like across the board, that offensive line, every one of their players, you don't think

34:48that Kyle Murray would do big things in that offense. You think he'd be turning the ball over a ton? I think he'd be turning the ball over, but he also do great things. Like, I think that that would be a wash for me. Jalen Hertz and Kyle Murray. Quick update. Ron McGill is doing zoo things and we'll join us tomorrow, not today. Doing zoo things? Retire. Well, I got to know he's busy presenting painted dog pups, and I didn't really know what that meant. So I just said zoo things. Wow, he's still working hard after announcing that return. I'll tell you what, day comes and I announce my retirement, work ethics going down the tube. Also, Kyle Murray, maybe check out the Cincinnati Rez, you know, like you still got a, a two join you. Well, I mean, that part, right, we just talked about, we talked about Drew Dalman retiring early at the age of 27. The idea that Kyle Murray is still old enough, he got all of the football money and decided to do football over baseball, even though baseball is vastly physically safer, made a choice

35:49that was really interesting, right? Because he would have been a first, he would have been a first rounder in both sports and baseball. He was drafted, right? In baseball. Yes, he was. Yeah, he, no, he would have been, it's harder. If you get drafted in football, especially where he got drafted, you're going to immediately play football, you get drafted there in baseball, you might not ever get to the major leagues because somehow that sport is harder than even playing quarterback, the success rate is harder to come by than even being a starting quarterback, which is widely regarded as the toughest thing to do in sports. But he could go back to baseball. It is something that would be a funny choice if he, if he made that, but he's going to get a starting job. Where is he forecasted to go? Because Minnesota makes more sense to me than Pittsburgh, because of all of the things that I stated, including the, the play caller, like McCarthy doesn't quite inspire what it is that I want inspired there that, that O'Connell does.

36:51And I do think there's the risk that they just move off of McCarthy quickly because the way that they're doing the finances in that sport, it's no longer a killer to miss on the first round pick who's a quarterback. You can get rid of him within a couple of years in a way you couldn't before, which is how we ended up with seven years of Tana Hill. Why wouldn't Atlanta be a good spot for him? Uh, Michael Pence, like, they, they still see him, but he's always hurt, like you're going to have to make sure someone else and then you, you win a job. I'd say easy spot as the Jets, they have nobody. So it's like, oh, that's not a good place for much, that, no, that'll swallow you. They just did that to Justin Fields, like, I, I, I think that Justin Fields is a lesser quarterback. But I would have argued that that's a lesser quarterback than Kyler Murray before he even went to the Jets. Kyler Murray has to be very selective about what he chooses next. I don't know how much humbling is involved there. I don't know how much he looks in a mirror and says, yeah, I was playing too many video games. I was irresponsible. I need to grow up. But the next spot that he chooses has to be a place with skill positions.

37:52Look, Aaron Rodgers didn't want to go to the Steelers. He wanted to go to the Vikings and the reason he wanted to go to the Vikings is because he learned, look, I've got all these skills. Guys, and I got the play caller and they told him we don't want you with the Viking. Do you assume, because I assume that that's where Kyler Murray will end up? Do you think there should be another favorite? Because if I'm Kyler Murray and I'm advising Kyler Murray, I'm telling him, go to, figure out how to get to Minnesota. I think he's going to go wherever he can start and, and I think the Jets are included. Kyler Murray's been buried in Arizona, which is one of the lowest radar cities and teams in the NFL. If he can go to New York and all of a sudden he's thinking, I can finally be the national star that I deserve to be. I think he does that in the heartbeat. I think New York is one of the, like, yes, he'll go where he believes he has the best chance of starting. And I think New York would be last on the list of those teams for him. I just, there's nothing there to allow him to be successful. He'll go there if it's the only place it's all for him starting job, but I don't see

38:53him ending up there. I think don't count out Indianapolis because they have everything they need except their leader. You did. Did you sign into a transition tag, though, to Daniel Jones, 37.5 million bucks, but your biggest ability is when we start the season. So where are you going to be? Washing bomb bonds. You're worth. He's right about that. You're watching bomb bonds, huh? Watching? You watching? No, just move on. Nobody heard it. I'm going to head out. Yeah. I'm going to do that to you. In fact, yeah. Matt, I've seen. It was right there. Nobody heard that. I've seen the speculation that Arizona could end up with Malik Willis because of the Fleur connection. His brother, now working in air. I don't think that that's a good move for for the Cardinals. That opens up Miami for Kyla Morello, like, is that something that would be appeasing to? Well, I would think at this point, Miami wants Malik Willis, no? point Miami wants Malik Willis now. I would assume between Arizona and the

39:54dolphins for Malik Willis according to rumors. But rumors, huh? It's what we're citing. I would assume that rumors are just starting there based on, oh, the Green Bay guys are in charge now. And the floor's brothers in Arizona makes sense. Makes sense in the world. There you go, rumors. Can you guys give Juju please a microphone in the penalty box so that I can go to him on his top five after I do Tony's top five because I do want to go to Juju and his top five on did he just tear one of his hamstrings like Howard Bryant getting out of bed tearing both of his hamstrings believe he's pulling at his hamstring now. I believe that his confidence leaked out of his body and injured his hamstring. Here are, see if you guys like any of these as you need your football fix on Tony's top five. These are players that are under the radar free agents available. Low key free agents. You're not going to get the Malik Willis is the Jalen Phillips the Trey Hendrix since we're not going to get those are obvious. I

40:56want to go more low key more hidden names more guys that you're like, huh, I've heard that name before I really like so if it's low key, are you like whispering this? I could think I think you do need one that's a high key name, but but it's low key. Okay, but do we have any? Oh, I just just three five. All right, so it's just very low key. And when I say this name, you're going to be like, I like him. That's it. Is this the high key? No, this is this is still low key. High key is later on in the list. Low key. Number five, free agent available. Chiggy O'Conquo. I like it. Tied in, tied in for the Tennessee Titans can run like a horse. Okay, you're talking too loud that big guy. Big guy can catch. I like him with cam ward that in use and probably as much as they should have. If you can get to somewhere else that likes to feature the tight end, it's a very, very good piece. I feel it's unfair, everything that happened to cam ward. I feel like cam ward. It wasn't quite like playing as if I had just dropped him in the Amazon, but he was running for his

41:57life similar, similarly all season last year. Yeah, that's cool. Number four, this is a guy who's going to be an instant hall of fame or the moment he retires and hangs the cleats up, but he needs to find a new home and I think you can find a very good home in New England. Little quicker. That's Mike Evans. That's number three. Is he? Is he coming? He's done. Yeah. Oh, he's done. He's done. He's done. But for the next team, I mean, he could be a big red zone presence for me. He's only got 1,000 year in seasons, right? He's never not accepted the season. You couldn't have 1,000 year. It's a season for a low key. Exactly. Right. But that's why I throw it off. You know, he's like, oh, Mike Evans, the free agent at number three. Number three, going back to the tight end, well, Isaiah likely. Good player behind my Gorg Andrews. If he gets to a team, all the sudden Travis Kelsey says, I am not as good as he is to be. The mortal model. Exactly. All the sudden, Isaiah likely, with Patrick Holmes. He got that offense, homin. That's a good player. Exactly. Right. Correct. Number two, the highest key name in the list, just because he won the MVP of the Super Bowl. Kenneth Walker, the third. Oh, yeah. Seattle. Seattle said, hey, we're not doing this anymore.

43:00That's a high key. That's why I said, high key, but low key because people, people see MVP of the Super Bowl. And he's not. He's a free agent. Why wouldn't they can't be low key if you're Super Bowl MVP. But that's what I'm saying. It's low key. You put it on the fold. You can the Super Bowl MVP. Be a low key. High key, low key. And number one, I think the best guy in all free agency, Greg, you might want to agree with this. Yeah. If he comes over here to the Miami Dolphins, he could be a really good piece for a future quarterback. That's Alec Pierce. Okay. Just boredom and their positions. Is that guy playing it? You know what? That's six names in your top five. Anybody else counting or just me? I think you got it. Anybody else. I don't think there were any allies. That kind of thing. Yeah. You didn't answer the question. It's not a great question. I don't know Alex Pierce. I need to know. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. For the cult. No, you don't. You're Alex Pierce. Biggest game in 20 years.

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