Church & State - Order Your Life: Raising Leaders

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3:11that I would say your average US citizen does not have. Maybe maybe he does. I'm more just resilient to pain, if you will. In my experience, it just endure the suffering. And if you do that better than others, and you get to do some pretty cool things, embrace the suck or embrace the suck. There you go. Yes, yeah, absolutely. Elliott, do you agree? You may have got a little bit more of the skills. I've got a lot of awesome learn skills. That's a good way to put it. Exceptional knots. Exceptional knots. Problem solving by any means necessary, right? That's the way to put it. Gotcha. Yeah. So what we see today in the air, I'm sure both of you familiar with the old statements, you know, the strong men create good times all that. And currently in America, we seem to be in a bit of a crisis as specifically when we look at our youth. And I don't want to be that guy that get off my lawn, you know, every generation is worse off than the next one or the last one. But we do seem to have a problem specifically centered around young men in this nation.

4:14The better I was just looking at a statistic, you guys might be blown away by this, but 77% of millennials or the Gen Zs have brought a parent to at least one job interview. Whoa. Wow. Yeah. That's great. We have some problems there. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can't imagine being the interviewer on that one. As long as you got your life jacket on, you won't sing. It's like the stepbrother scene where you know, lean back and yeah, we liked it. Bring our buddies. Yeah, I couldn't imagine being an employer and who's this? This is my mom. Oh, okay. Go ahead, direct the questions that you or her. But you guys have a plan to really transform specifically the male youth in this country. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I mean, so it's kind of a long story, but my story has been through finding the problems in the men around me and trying to find God's solution. I feel like one of the leading causes of all our failure is that we think success is what other people

5:17give us, right? I'm successful because you think I'm a success, right? And that's not God's economy, right? You're successful because he made you, and he made you for a purpose. And when you do it, you're successful. And people who walk in that find success. And then they become leaders because you go, oh, this is a big crisis. We don't know what to do. And it's like, well, I'm the guy who's calm and comfortable in chaos. That was my role as the PJ. And I was like, well, what made me so calm and comfortable around this team of guys going through a big crisis? I was like, because the outcomes not mine. It's the Lord's. And people were always be like, hey, man, like it's literally that first in the Bible. It says, essentially, always be ready to give an answer for the hope that's in you. And when you go, well, what hope is that? You're like, the hope is that the outcome's the Lord's. And they're like, can you be in charge? And I was like, well, what just made me a leader? It's not my voice. In fact, I get made fun of a lot for it. It's not my list. You know, it's not my dyslexia. What is it? I was never the strongest.

6:23Never the strongest. But it was like, well, no matter how hard it got in the pool, we look over at you and you just look calm. You look like you were comfortable. And I was like, I was dying. But the outcome isn't mine. And they were like, whoa. And over the time, I saw the most elite operators in the military, like the top. And I did a assessment and selection at the top level. And one of the things I noticed was that everyone's trying to be something. They all want to be seen as the best. But they might not. They don't realize that they could be without achieving it, if that makes sense. And so I realized that the problem, these guys were terrible at home. They were terrible with their kids. And they kind of would cover that up by just being like, well, I mean, my job's too important. So I'll just do that all the time. And then they stopped going home. They stopped. And I was like, what is the problem here? And really what I found was the problem was order. And so if you're not ordered appropriately,

7:28then you can't make it to your community. You can't be a leader for yourself. Because what happens is you start and you see it in pastors, you see it in elders and missionaries, all this stuff. It's like, well, my work is so important. My family's going to suffer. And it's like, you know, you're just disqualified yourself, right? Like, according to the scripture, yeah. To make this office, you have to keep your house well, right? You have to have kids that aren't awful. And it's like, why don't I have time for my kids? Because the church needs me. It's like, no, no, you just, you just gave up your, your first mission and you took priority four is number one. Right? And so it's like, well, it was the best excuse I had. And everyone else thought it was a good one. So I went with it. You know, we see that in everyone from a elite operator, police officer, all these folks. And then they come back and they're like, who am I? Because I'm not that anymore. So they lose their identity. And it's like, well, my identity was tied to my work. And my work gave me,

8:28gave me value. My work's gone. My value is gone. And my family's a mess. So then they go down this rabbit hole. And I'm like, well, you know, we can reach people earlier than catastrophe. So what have we teach kids? What have we teach our youth to properly order their lives and get in the right order? So that way when they hit catastrophe, they go, well, the outcome's the Lord's. You know, how can I have confidence in God above myself? Yeah. I gotta tell you, I love so much of what you just said there. You're putting things in its proper place in its proper order. We need to have that hierarchy and that understanding that first and foremost, I am a slave to Christ, which is what the Bible tells us multiple times. I mean, Peter, Paul, they all call themselves a slave to Christ. I know that we don't want to be a sort of popular anymore. You know, some people might view it negative in a negative light, but I am a slave to Christ. And from there, everything else is an extension. When Jesus says, you have to hate your family in comparison to me. It's like, well,

9:34I don't want to hate my family. And it's like, who gives your family worth? Jesus. God, he made them and then Jesus died for them. It's like, oh, well, I love them. You're like, yeah, because you love me. You love them. That's the order, right? That's a level. My cup overflows mean that, unless I'm with you, Christ overflowing, I'm not going to make it to the next level. Yeah. So this leads to actually a bigger discussion about masculinity as a whole. And Peter, I'm going to bring you into this. But what Elliott was just talking about, how so many people have their identity in their job, right? And all of us being veterans, you know, we definitely lived that. I was a Marine. That was my identity. Even beyond that, I was a city councilman or, you know, I work in politics. And that was really my identity. And just like you were saying, Elliott, it came to a point where I was pouring everything into my work because I was trying to save the country or something like that all the while losing my family. And it was until my wife actually brought

10:35that to my attention that I was, oh, I need a correction. All right. So my question for you, Peter is, is why is it in your opinion, so many men wrap themselves their masculinity into the career field? It's a really good question. And as Elliott was talking, I was thinking to myself, man, you're just, you're telling my life story. I was that guy, you know, and I'm not going to say, I was at least by any means, but I've been to all the army selections. And I was in, you know, a couple special operations units. And I'm telling you, my identity was fully tied to so calm, to soft. And I actually left the army. I didn't have faith in my career. I grew up going to church, and I would tell anybody that I'm a believer, but I didn't have faith. And I think without it, to answer your question, my opinion is that human beings in general seek purpose. And without faith and Christ purpose, it presents itself. And however it presents itself to each individual.

11:40We're military guys. It was very easy to see the purpose of my life as a special operator. I wanted to fight terrorism. I wanted to, you know, avenge the victims of 9-11. I wanted to fight ISIS and the Taliban and al-Qaeda and all those guys. And when I left active duty, still had not found my faith yet, I struggled so much with the identity piece to the point of essentially self-destruction. And it was a friend who had also served in softwood who'd gotten out, who I knew was Christian that I called in my lowest moment and kind of saved me. I think the answer is that humans inherently seek purpose. I think we were designed that way. I'm not a scientist, and I don't, you know, I wouldn't consider myself well-read and even biblical texts, but I think we seek purpose. And I think that's why without the faith, it's very easy to tie yourself to your profession, especially if that profession is something political or nation-building or, you know, fighting terrorism is very easy for anybody to understand this purposeful.

12:43Sure. So let's also bring in what they've done collectively to society. Because there is, I think both of you will agree with me. There is a war against masculine. A hundred percent. And we see that materializing in a lot of different aspects, but, you know, that you can see it with like, hey, sit down, women are talking now, kind of movement, the feminism, you know, men, especially in particular white males are told, hey, you know, you sit down, you need to be an advocate for this marginalized group or that group. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And so we're also not just are we dealing with the fact that a lot of people have stopped seeking Christ, but then we also see this culture war against masculinity. So you guys have a big job on your hands. It is well said. And I do think, you know, going back to your previous question, is there's a war against masculinity. And I think it's bipartisan. I mean, it shouldn't be

13:44politically aligned. And unfortunately, it seems to be going that direction. And I think it's a shame that it's a political topic because there's very much inherent good in masculinity and femininity as well. You know, it's if you are believer, is I've recently come to faith and learned that it's biblical. So we were designed a certain way. And it's complementary. And we do really well. And I say we as in our genders, if you believe in that, do really well in the lanes that we were designed to swim in, if that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting concept, right? Because the idea is that a strong male leader is not going to allow the followers to succeed. But the rightly ordered leader sees the value in everybody, right? Because I like that. Right. Whose image is in you? Like, what is a, you know, the marine in charge with the team of Marines. It's like, well, which one of you is not a big strong man? It's like, no, no,

14:46no, how do I use all these men to reach the goal? How do we, how do we reach the, the top and plant the flag? And it's like with strong leadership. Well, sometimes that leadership is not on the front. Sometimes it is, right? Follow me, airborne, right? It's like, hey, I'm going to follow him because he's a strong leader. It doesn't make me less of a leader and else of a strong person. And so you're really saying, what has God made you to do? What's my purpose? And a leader can be at the back, right? A leader can be in the front, you know? It's like, well, what solves this problem, right? And so in a way, stronger women are more successful when they're stronger men, right? It's kind of like capitalism, right? When the water goes up, all boats rise, right? And you look at that and it's like, well, what if we just lower them so we feel better? And again, it's like, it's the same with order. We think feelings are what should guide our actions, but it's our knowledge. It's knowing, right? The heart, like love God in your heart. That's your core. And then you feel love. You know,

15:50and so when you get in that proper order, you go, hold on. There's a core here, which is a knowledge. And then there's a result, which can be a motion. Because if a motion guides our actions, then we don't have knowledge, right? That's what I said. Yeah. And you know, this is going to be more specific to the Christian audience, but you know, I would say you have to understand that everything that is not of God is of Satan. It's a very black and white statement, but all of this, this attack on masculinity, the rise of feminism, I would submit is an attack on what God had ordered, the proper role of things. I just saw a terrifying statistic. It was men who are given a raise at their job will go out and have more kids. Women on the other hand who are given a raise at their job will have less children. Now, doesn't that just show everything that we're talking about right here? It's because women had a role, a biblical proper role, and society,

16:54and a direct attack on Satan, came after that. And what's the result? Population decrease, which God told us to be fruitful and multiplying. And I do just want to say this to the audience, I'm not coming out here and saying, if you're a working woman, you're living in sin, that's not at all the direction I'm taking here. My wife is a nurse, so there's a lot of great women out there. They're living very godly lives, but just as a generality, we've taken it out of its proper order. Yeah, 100%, 100%. And that's very well said. It's like such a crazy concept when you think, well, if I give you this, then you're going to do better. And it's like, well, actually, I do worse for my purpose. Sure. Absolutely. So let's get into what you got. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. The rush of racing? Nothing beats it. But Chumba Casino comes close. Chumba's got fast spins, fun games, daily bonuses, and all the action you can handle. Now that's a ride. Ready to hit the throttle? Get in the driver's seat and head to chumbacasino.com.

17:59Let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino, no purchase necessary, VGW Group, voidware prohibited by law, 21 plus turns and conditions apply. I just do. Let's get into the brass tacks as it were. You've identified the problem. We've been talking about that for 10 minutes or so. But what are you guys doing for the male youth in America? So I'll jump in. So one of the things that about a year ago, a guy named Seth at Boulder Creek Retreat in Idaho, was like, hey, you take people in the church and you go serve the church in austere, dangerous, hard environments. That's the nonprofit I work with. And he was like, how can we help? And I was like, well, one of the problems we have are finding people who can help facilitate that. And you can't, like, if I could take special operators and make them surgeons and then make them not want money, that would be great, right?

19:03So let me know how that goes. Yeah, exactly. It's like, hey, I just became a surgeon. Be like, perfect. Can you not make money and go serve the church in persecution, right? Go to Nigeria, go to Burma, go to the Congo, go to these places and we're going to protect the church by giving them what we have that they don't have, right? And so that's what this mission is that we're doing. And Seth was like, hey, how can I facilitate that? I was like, well, he's like, why don't you guys put on a course where you teach people about what you do? And so we do some real kind of niche things like we teach the theology of conflict and the theology of rule breaking, right? And it's like, can you break a rule? Whose rule is it, right? Man or God? Yeah. Can you go make a disciple in all nations? Well, that country is against it. So no, be like, well, all authority on having a nurse has been given to me. So I said, go. Oh, that's a command. I'm not allowed to fall under your authority. It's improperly ordered, right? And you're taking Romans

20:0513 and applying it in its actual legitimate writing, not not the way that despots like Hitler like to use it. Right. Yeah. So taking that and then apparently my general goofy demeanor was attractive and they were like, we really want to reach persecute like hurt hurting people, the hurting youth. Even Hillsdale College reached out and said, hey, that's our here's our problem, right? Our problem is that our young men can't solve problems. They don't know how to do how to deal with pop-ups. Like their mom is calling me asking me to fix the car, right? And it's like, oh dear, you know, so we need young men to be leaders. So Boulder Creek has a heart for essentially hurting and persecuted people. And I think what we're missing as a church is that's actually all men, right? And so they're like, well, how can we serve the future community? And so I essentially started putting all my thoughts in life together and created a leadership, a rightly ordered leadership

21:12curriculum. And they're like, can we please teach this to young men? And so the goal at end of the breach is to essentially start filling the holes and filling the gaps of the church as a whole. And so we can strengthen the church in America. And then we can maybe send some people will be called and they'll be sent to go serve the church in persecution. Some of them will go to serve the church essentially America and in different leadership roles around the world. I love that you said that actually. I've talked about this before on the show, but a lot of people when they get the calling from missions, they don't even consider their home country. And man, do we need missionaries in the United States? Amen. Yeah. And mentors, and mentorship, I think, is a gap. And it's just we don't talk about it enough. And for me, you know, a little bit of a different flavor is how I got into all of this, you know, transitioned out of active duty in 2023 and struggled bad, like really bad, which we don't, you know, you want to get into, I'd be happy to.

22:16But essentially, I found faith by accident. I would say now is the Holy Spirit drove me there, but I truly found faith went all in on Jesus Christ. And after going through like a catastrophic mental health incident, I realized it was like, man, it's the, it's the people around me that were not pushing Christianity, but were, I knew they were. That was a church girl as a kid. So I'd have friends that I could tell were serious about their faith. And like you said earlier, they just, they had their thing, they're, they were together. They were in order. Actually, Elliot loves the word order. It's kind of the premise of his leadership training he's built. So I got really interested in recovery, resiliency, and, and, you know, finding yourself spiritually for those veterans, first responders, or families that, you know, and the easy, the easy description for me is you've been running and gutting for years in a very high stress environment. Your identity's getting real tight to your job. But then you come home and then what? And we tend to struggle with our

23:16families. We tend to find mentorship outside of our job. And I kind of cracked this nut on like I found mentorship in Jesus Christ. And with that, I started to get my life in order. Now I'm using his term all the time. You did it. Elliot, you got it. And so what I, what I got really interested in myself, my partner is not able to be here today, you know, is we can facilitate recovery and set the example spiritually. But it's not necessarily like, sit down and listen to me preach. It's more mentorship. It's, you know, I'm not going to say it's me, but someone like me says, I've been here in this difficult place in faith and recovery and mentorship and taking the time somewhere like the, you know, Boulder Creek retreat where Seth has set up what they've set up to be intentional about recovery. And so that's where we got to say it's not necessarily, you know, two kind of separate problems that we're attacking at once, but it all goes back to

24:17male mentorship. You know, you could tie that to masculinity, but it's mentorship through how you behave, not preach. Do as I say, because I know it's more so like, hey, we can facilitate growth and development and recovery by setting the example and being intentional. And that's what we got really excited about is, you know, the mental health problem, the masculine and any problem. I think it's all in a related lack of faith in a lot of people's lives. It's all interrelated. It's kind of that like whole human concept that I think we we're interested in fostering for those that are in need of it. So, so what I'm hearing is I'm hearing discipleship because now I think what you were just talking about with the preaching, right? And this is something we've grown accustomed to. Unfortunately, in the American churches is a lot of preaching and a lot of people say there's a lot of hypocrisy in the church, but we're commanded, as you were talking about earlier, to go and make disciples. That's not and I've been big on this on the show. That's not dunking. Hey, there you go. You're a believer now. Good go. Stop the baptism. Go out in the

25:20world and have fun, because Satan's going to attack you now. Your discipleship is work. And that's exactly what you're talking about. That mentorship coming alongside a younger Christian like Paul did with Timothy, right? And discipling them for years to get them to the point where they now they're a leader. Yeah, discipleship mentorship. I have two friends in particular that wouldn't say I was discipling Pete, but the way that they behaved, acted, talked, the language they used. I knew they were devout Christians. I considered myself a believer, but I hadn't figured it out. They didn't know that the example they set is what led me to where I got. And so those got what they were doing was acting in a manner that was commensurate with discipleship without without saying I'm going to disciple Pete. And so it was the example that they set that by accident they mentored me. I became a firm believer and it made me realize like I can tell my story and I don't have to preach. It's just tell my story and others can see like, oh man,

26:22like if he's doing this and he's got it figured out, maybe this is maybe spirituality is something I need to look into. What is this Jesus thing about? Yeah, because I, you know, a lot of very educated folks in the room around the Bible and in the history of faith and Christianity and I found it in 2024. You know, and I think what I've learned is that my story facilitates folks like me that haven't found it because the way I can present it is like, dude, I didn't know anything. I wasn't pushing for it. I wasn't hunting for it and it happened and it materially changed my life for the better like it quantifiably. It's obvious. And for that, I've helped a couple other people go like maybe I should check this out. And that's what if whether it's with the youth or veterans first responders families, if you mentor or disciple other men, whether or not they go out and intentionally disciple others, they're going to set an example for others regardless. And so you can really make an impact on the world by just being intentional about it. If it folks like us, they're like,

27:24hey, I'm going to start a podcast. I'm going to talk about it. All it takes is one person to dial in, listen and learn something and then go teach someone else and you're starting to impact the world. And so that's that's where I get excited about it. It's personal for me because I struggle. And I want to see others get through the struggle and find what I found in Christ, which I think is unique. Yeah, I love that. So let's walk through it. You know, you get a group of young men, they may have, you know, some specific issues they're dealing with and you guys get a hold of them. What does this training look like for them? Well, Elliot talk about training. For me, I'll be brief on kind of the resiliency side. It's more so creating a secure environment with a lot of opportunity for, we'll call it fellowship, but say like family, horseback riding, fishing. What I've learned in the veteran recovery nonprofit space is everybody has a different solution to their problem. Not everybody wants to go duck hunting. Believe it or not, I found faith in pursuing duck hunting. It's my tagline as I found Jesus in a duck blind, it's a long story.

28:28But some people just want to fish, you know, and so that's kind of what we're providing an environment where they can do those things. It's not necessarily as curriculum based, but there's fellowship and faith built in, but not bound to timeline. And with that, I'll hand it over to Elliot. Well, let me just interject real quick, because it sounds like you're bringing nature into a lot of this as well, which is, I love that because too often, and especially if we're going to go into the young men here in a minute, but a lot of people are, we used to call it latchkey kids, but a lot of people are just living indoors, you know, absolutely. They're televisions, their video games, their phones on social media constantly just screens. And they don't want to go outside, but there's health. There's healing and going outdoors, getting out, going taking a hike, maybe duck hunting, fishing, whatever. It all adds to really a better mental health lifestyle. And with that, we've hit a heartbreak here for the NRB TV audience, but we're going to come back. Elliot's going to talk to us about what the training looks like. So you're going to want to stay tuned for that. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard.

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31:39alive and well. And having conversations that you won't necessarily hear most certainly on mainstream media, but even within a lot of the alternative podcasting platforms, you don't necessarily find a show like church and state. So if you like what you see, a $10, $20 a month, whatever you can do, it helps us out. All right, with that, let's go back to our two guests here. He and Elliot and Elliot asked the question about what the training looks like. Because I think the audience is going to be really interested in this because it's fun. I mean, just speaking from a military point of view, the best times we're out in the field, am I wrong? Like Garrison sucked, right? Nobody wanted to be Garrison. Like, oh, man, I'm going to have to do like marches and being uniform. Yeah, exactly. But you grasp with scissors. Yeah, you go out into the field though. That's when you're having fun, right? Yeah. So tell us about the training. 100%. So the coolest thing about Boulder Creek Retreat is the location, right? Northern Idaho, Toronto by three mountain. Oh, it's gorgeous. Massive, gorgeous. Just like when I first went out there just to do the

32:42austere surgical thing, both the the founder of the organization and myself were just blown away by the opportunity. And it was like, not only are we going to be outside, but the classroom, like the rustic, the fire, everything's in circles, not rows, right? It's like we're a community. And then it was like, well, there's two of us to teach this course, but it's going to take the church. And the church showed up. Like I'm talking we had, I don't even remember how many like, like, probably around 50 people from the local community who were like, how's this small town? Small town. They're like, how can we be a part of this? So there were there were folks from like Navy SEALs who ran the PT, right? There were all these folks, there were, you know, prior Marines who were like, hey, I have a lot of experience and interview and and these kind of dynamic environments. And I was like, well, one of the big things is the

33:44missionaries are going to be going through a lot of checkpoints. And they were like, well, here's a group of boys with guns and we'll make sure they don't have muscle control. And they'll, they'll ask a bunch of weird questions. And like, and here's a border patrol agent who's trained, here's a sheriff who's trained at interrogation. And so we're going to set up, you know, a road stop. We're going to set up a walking patrol. We're going to set these things up. And so now we're giving them essentially a look before it's real, a safe environment where you can stop an AR this thing. And I just showed up going, all right, God, what, what do you want us to do? Like, how can we get people ready? And it was the folks at Boulder Creek Retreat who were like, hey, we have this. And so for this, we're like, hey, we want to help young men and we want to help the future. And I'm telling you, like top educators, people who build like curriculum and stuff, people who create these things, top trainers like guys who ran seal team selection, you know, things like that

34:48are like, hey, how can I help? And it's like, like just tools, right? And so the whole church is essentially saying, hey, we want to help you make the future better, right? And so you're going to do it outdoors. We're going to do classroom. We're going to do discipleship. We're going to do problems, right? Because without pressure, you know, you can't see what something is. And if you go out into the environment and your first problem is that interview, and you're like, well, where's my mom? Right? I need my mom to come with me because I don't know how to handle pressure because I wasn't allowed. Well, we're going to take young men and we're going to put them through pressure and we're going to talk about it. And we're going to brightly order them. So when they reach crisis, the response isn't collapse, right? And they're not going, hey, Siri, how do I answer this interview question? Hey, chat GPT, what do I do here for my car, right? It's like, hold on, here's a problem. I can solve it. There's tools, technology can be a tool. But we're making technology

35:51God, right? We're putting technology is like, where's my worth? Do you like me? Like if you talk to any AI model, it's like, that's a great question. You're so smart. That's the right place to think. And you're like, oh, I feel affirmed and I like you. Like, I've got a best friend, right? And it's like, cut that out. Like reality is way different, right? When you stand before Jesus, chat GPT is not going to give you your answer, right? When you go, I'm sitting a meme out of there. Like, that would make a great meme right there, right? It is Ryan C. Crest here. There was a recent social media trend, which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment. But a better trend would be going to chumbacacino.com. It's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumbacacino has over 100 online casino style games, all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free welcome bonus now at chumbacacino.com, sponsored by Chumbacacino. And so essentially, it's a combination of we have the tools all there. And I mean,

37:00it is a whole church affair. Now we're here because it's like we don't have people don't know about the opportunity, right? It's like, hey, we would like this to be successful where we can help military family. We can help these gentlemen and trauma. I guess who would be the best instructor for young men to say, hey, don't do what I did? People who came from a troubled past where they were the elite leader and they were still failed. And then they found God or then they found truth and they go, hey, guys, find this now and then you don't fall into this trap, right? And so essentially, it's almost like it's just a beautiful combination of like, here's the problem that God put in front of us are you guys going to steward the church and solve it, right? Here's work for you to do, right? And so when it comes to like the community, it's like, please come and learn young men,

38:00right? Problem is young men don't have any money, right? It's like, hey, I could work at Starbucks this summer or I could go to this course and be a better leader, but I don't really have time for it, right? And so sharing this message with the church, with the goal that the church says, hey, we would love to see this happen. Can we send our boys there? And we'll do a fundraiser and we're going to fund like five boys, you know, hey church, who wants to go? Hey, let's find this out and let's figure out a way to get you guys there because we want you to be our pastors in five years, 10 years, right? Yeah. And so we're going to start you off rightly ordered because we don't have bandwidth, right? I'm a work. You're over here. I'm over there. We're trying to survive. And I mean, it's one of those weird things where it's like guys, the church as a community can move forward. It's not like every single dad has to solve every single problem for their family, right? If there's five dads, it's like, hey, man, you're good at boating. Can you take my kids boating?

39:02Right. And so it's trying to grow community and it's already in Idaho. So I'm like, that we got to do it here, right? And then they'll leave and then they'll grow their community, right? And then they'll say, hey, can we teach this course over here? Be like, yes, you can. You guys know what's up. You already understand order? Like, this is not mine. This is the churches and we need to spread it around. And so that's really the goal. You know, one of the things that you're you're talking about there that I absolutely love. I'm a Christian libertarian. And so I'm big on the church taking back its proper authority because of, I mean, for years now, the churches has really advocated that role to government. Yeah. Oh, COVID. No, we won't be. We'll put a mask on. And yeah, I mean, it was ridiculous. Obviously, we all have bad memories of 2020. But, but telling the church, like, hey, take responsibility for for building up strong leaders. And maybe the pastor doesn't need another Bentley. And you know, maybe maybe he should pour into the youth and get them

40:07to where they can start being leaders inside the community inside the church. Yeah, or they could put their boys in their pastoral jet and fly them here. Right. They could have the way. You have the resource. We're not throwing stones at anybody. I don't know. I've always said this because I turned down a lot of money for our mission. And the reason is someone comes to me and they're like, hey, can I tithe to you? Right? And I'm like, you can. But where does God want your money? And they're like, what? Like, you don't just want it? And I'm like, no, no, I want it. But I don't want what God doesn't want. So I need you to stop and pray. And if there's a community that's building you up, build them up with your resources. And if you tell them, hey, I would like some of our resources to go to this because it's godly and it's helping the church in hard places or it's building up men, then as a church, can we support these people? And if the church says no, like, that's one of my things. I'm like, I'm going to ask God for permission. I'm not going to ask him to

41:09bless my own selfish desire. Right? Like God, I want to do a leadership course. Would you bless it? It's like, I don't want you to do a leadership course. Like, get out of there. I'm going to make it fail miserably. You're going to look stupid. Why? Because I want you to learn to follow me. And then if I go, God, I want to do a leadership course. Is that what you want? And he goes, oh, finally, yeah, here's all the resources, right? And so that this is that phase of this operation, which is God, we want this to be yours. If you want it, then we're excited for it. If you don't want it, then your church will say no, you're going to say no, that's fine. Right? But it's, we want this and we think you do too, but all up to you. It's a, and that's the order, right? I'm submitting to God. Yeah. And when if he you supplies, then I should do it, right? Gideon was like, we need a bigger army. God was like, you need the army. I give you. Yeah. Right? I feel like so much of God's interactions with his creation is kind of like a to the back of the

42:11head. You know, like, no, yeah, like, just in me, you know, I got this kind of a thing. So, now you, you've also been up to the, the training facility, voltage, retreat. And you and I were talking before we started, but just that, that natural beauty element, I mean, Ellie was talking about it as well. You're from Texas. We were joking about Texas. There's no mountains in Texas, really. The water's all brown. I used to joke with my wife that there's no trees in Texas, because I had like almost never been to Texas when I got married. That's false. There are trees in Texas, but the closer you get to Arkansas, the better it gets. It's pretty flat. Oh, yeah, that's no. Yeah. No, the facility is beautiful. And I think like, I'm an advocate for, you know, you can, you can find God in nature very easily. But at the same time, I still look at things from a lens of like, I'm still new to this. You know, I can't speak as eloquently as he can about what Gideon said. But what I can say is I know there is something there that is

43:16materially impactful. And so it's, you know, to me, I met my business partner through faith in a company that I felt like was the epitome of evil, you know. And so I look at things a little bit from an entrepreneurial lens as an entrepreneur myself. And I'm like, man, not only is it beautiful, not only is the community from an economic perspective, when volunteers get involved, it saves money. Sure. But more importantly, what they've built there, like the resources, the infrastructure is your viewers, we won't be able to articulate how amazing it is until you see it. Well, speaking of that, and while you, I'm not trying to cut you off, notice we bring up the website so we can actually see what what Pete is talking about here. So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, bolder CreekTreat.com and Pete, sorry, take it away. No, it's worth checking out. So again, going back to like the economic perspective, I mean, you can't any training, you know, a plan that you build or like you could park a university there. It, you know, it's got everything you could imagine in terms of infrastructure,

44:20space. I mean, if you wanted to bring, I could tell my entire church down in Texas and all of their family members, let's all go there and they would all have great lodging, all the resources, communal space, fire pits, saunas, hot tub, cold plunge in the lake, beautiful creeks, but then there is the nature piece to it. So it's got everything. And I just don't know, the reason I really got excited about it is because I can't find anything that compares. I've seen a lot of nonprofits that work with veterans where you go to a ranch. Ranches are beautiful, but a ranch can only fit so much. It's not built to accommodate large groups, classrooms. There's science labs there. There's arts. There's literally a music studio on this property with some of this equipment that we're sitting in front of. It's got everything. And all of those different activities and opportunities, whether it's nature, even inside playing drums like he was the other day. All of that is a no-screen, you know, opportunity for whether it's a veteran or a first responder or family members, father's son,

45:22you know, full family. The husband, wife, father's, whatever. It has opportunity for everybody. And the people around it, the volunteers, the owners, the workers, everybody there is setting the example by being rooted in faith. So I didn't get the feeling that when I arrived, it was I'm being preached at. I got the feeling that like, wow, I'm surrounded by a community that feels a whole lot like a family. It's like welcome home. It's like welcome home. I was saying, we're sitting around this big fire pit the other night and the owners came out and their parents came out and Seth was there and everybody was out there and I was kind of the new guy and I even said it like, man, I feel like I'm sitting amongst a family. It's almost strange. It's so welcoming. But what they're doing is they're setting the example through faith. Now there's jujitsu classes there led by seals. It doesn't sound like faith, but it's a Christian Navy seal who's like everything is kind of rooted in faith. And so what my hope would be is that the folks that go to this place might just go horseback riding or equine therapy, but what they'll see is men and women who are

46:26setting the example that's rooted in Christ and they're not shoving it down your throat. They're not pushing it, which I think you kind of alluded to. There's a barrier. I used to say the biggest barrier to entry to the church is the church. For me, it was scary to go to a church. It was like going to a party where I don't know anybody. And I think that that's that's where I get excited about mentorship, leadership, you know, setting the good example. All I have to do is say, hey guys, I'd like to pray before this meal. Is that cool? And somebody might say, dang, do you Pete prays before meals? You know what's I'm sure where does that come from? And I've experienced that firsthand where friends of mine, army friends, especially that are like Pete's doing the Christian thing. Like maybe I should check that out. And you know, a handful of guys have started going to church because it makes me feel good. But what they're doing up there is extremely special, but just from a business perspective, economic perspective. I don't know if you could find something that has the locality, the beauty, the infrastructure, the volunteer network, the comforts, the creature comforts. If you want to go sit in a sauna,

47:30which we did for like four hours the other day, you can do that there by a lake. And jump at the lake when it's, you know, break the ice and jump to the lake and get cold too. So it's a really, really special place. And you know, I've been trying to find who's the competition. I can't find it, you know, and I would encourage anybody to go look at the website and I'm sure there's a contact us and reach out because a lot of opportunity for any faith-based organization or any recovery based organization or any like, hey, we he alluded to it, which they train missionaries that are going out on mission on how to be safe and foreign countries. You're getting that from special operators or people that are going out in the world trying to conduct counterhuman trafficking operations, which is largely led by nonprofits. All of that opportunity can train here and live and stay out as long as you want. It's just, it's a wonderful, wonderful spot. That's really remarkable. I mean, every week, if I understood right, every week they're bringing in whatever church wants to their security team and going through CQB, react to contact, active

48:30shooter training and stuff. And it's like, why are you guys doing that? I mean, like because it's the church and we know how to do this. So let's share it. And you're like, whoa. Well, and then everything we just talked about is everything. It's kind of, you know, no matter age, gender, whatever, you're kind of doing, I wouldn't say hard things, but unique things that are a little difficult competition, you know, teaching church security teams, how to secure a building. It's like, that's something hard for people to go through and a hard things facilitate camaraderie and hard things facilitate confidence. Confidence in young men is what equates to masculinity. And what I always say is personal courage is the value that we lack because it takes a lot of courage today to do what is right. It's like people like to say in companies, our core values like integrity. Number one, it's like, man, integrity should be permission to play. To be frank in my experience, it takes a lot of courage to have integrity. And to do the right thing when nobody else is watching. And I think that's what you take the full collective of what's happening at the retreat.

49:34And that's how you give back to the mission. It's we're fostering the masculinity or the femininity, but it's the confidence, the courage, like, man, I can do hard stuff. Yeah. Even something is simple as starting a fire. I was going to tell you a minute ago when you talked about nature. It's like Google the science behind staring at a fire. Oh, yeah. Because it actually has like cognitive effects. Yes, enormous. I didn't know this. Same thing was staring out at the ocean. Hearing the waves actually has a cognitive calming effect. It's the same as Instagram, right? I had to look it up online though. But I mean, I love this guys. I got to tell you like this flies in the face of basically almost every American church out there where you'll get a guy that's like, I want to mentor people. And the response or the action is, hey, how about we go get some coffee and we can talk about your porn addiction? Yeah. I don't want to go do that. This is so fun. What is mentorship?

50:39Yeah. Like this. I'll go do CQB with you. Yeah. And we can talk about God over doing that. That sounds amazing. What happens? We end up talking about God a lot. Again, it's one of those things that is a relatively new, I would call myself devout Christian. It's being around it when people talk about Elliott, Tier 1 PJ. I worked with these guys. I know they're talented. You have more skills than me. And hearing you talk, it's like, man, I didn't have that when I was in. Jeff Struker is a Ranger pastor. If you haven't met him, he's a wonderful guy. And he was in Black Hawk down the movie. He's the guy that's like, people start coming to him because he had something that they didn't. Same story. And he became a pastor. He's a really cool dude. But it's when folks are around it and they see it, you've got something different. For me, it was two of my friends. You've got something different. I can't figure it out. Why are you so successful? You know, it's weird. When you ask him, I just believe. I pray. I pray that my wife. And it all comes back to faith. And it really makes you realize, like, man, that's the missing piece. And I get frustrated around mentorship a lot for that.

51:41Mentorship feels forced. But when times get tough and you call on the mentors, I found a lot of times. They don't answer the phone or they don't have time. So real mentorship is leading by example. Somebody calls you answer. It's like becoming a mentor isn't as simple as, let's go have a conversation about what you can do better. Or let me teach you something. It's more, I am going to take you under my wing and discipleship. But it's going to look like, hey, you can call me for advice. I'll give you for real. And it's lead by example. Yeah. When you see the world that God made for the what he made it for, you start to love God more. And then you start to love with God loves. And the most interesting thing is you start to hate the things that you love that God hates. And that's the weirdest part, right? Because it's like, well, I really like porn. Well, you God hates it. And you're like, you know, I actually, I'm starting to hate it too. I'm starting to hate it too now. I'm starting to hate it too. Like I used to do this. Now it feels wrong, right? Like so too, we're some of you. But you've been made new, right? And

52:45you get in that order and you're like, Hey, I see what right looks like. I'm really starting to hate what wrong looks like, even though it's a lot more comfortable. I'd rather sit back on my couch and let my wife raise my kids. I'd rather subjugate this task duty challenge. Like, oh, that's hard. So I better not do it. And it's like, hold on. God, what do you want? You want me to do it? Okay. You know, and then you get better and better at it. And then it's like, well, this confidence this person has is powerful. Can I follow them? It's earth chain. And it's like, what is a leader? Right? What is a leader? It's someone other people are following because they learned submission before authority. Right? It's like, well, I thought you just got in charge. Now you're a leader. It's like, no, you follow God. You are confident. You have hope, right? I give you an answer for the hope that's in me. I'm not anxious about anything. Why? Well, because in everything with prayer and petition, I present my request to God. And I have peace. And people like, whoa, who's this dude

53:47with peace and chaos? Yeah. He's the rightly ordered dude. And because you figure that out, you figured this out in my humble opinion, you figured that out. It's your duty to propagate it. Because it's right. It's what God wants. And that's what I kind of came to this realization is time is more valuable than money. Money is a tool to accomplish whatever your objective is. Yeah. In my case, as a businessman, it's, it's just the tool to accomplish the mission and the mission is to spread kingdom, which feels weird for a new Christian to say, but it's like, look, you are, you've figured it out. You've cracked the nut. You're elite. You know that young men look up to you almost all of them, right? Because you're what I do. You're like, I have a heavier bench press of the same time. I actually on the optimistic side, I think people are starting to wake up and realize a young man like are looking for masculinity. And they don't know how to find it. And they're in their screens. And so we have an opportunity, you, me, you know, all of us to spread that and to give it back. And when people see it, if they watch this, they might say, dude, I can do that too.

54:51I want peace of that. I can do that. My church. Yeah. Like, like, I can do that. And all it is is setting the example. Just leave by example, do the hard things, have courage and confidence. And the, in the youth that lack that, we can teach that by example. And Boulder Creek Retreat is, I've never seen anywhere like it where there's a facility that can, they can promote it, facilitate it. All the resources are there. And that's what excites me about it the most is, you know, it's, we struggle to talk about exactly what we can do. There is so much, there's so much opportunity. And I think we're going to see it grow quite a bit. I think you can do a platform like that. Yeah, I mean, I'm just looking at it. And I can tell you that place. I mean, it's gorgeous. Yeah. And I mean, that's a great guy. And I'm not saying that just because he's staring at me off camera right now. But no, I mean, I love what you guys are doing. We've actually gone a little bit long. But I do want to thank you guys for what you guys are doing, Seth. I want to thank you for for opening up this facility to these gentlemen so that they can go in there.

55:54And really recapture true masculinity, moving away from the feminism. And the false masculinity that we see with people like Andrew Tate, who's a, who's a, who's a deceptive in all of his tactics. So we need to move away from that and go back to Christ-centered masculinity building disciples. The best kind. Exactly. And you guys are doing it. So I thank you for your time. Any real quick last words for the audience? No, I mean, check out Boulder Creek Retreat, Google it. And I encourage you, if you're a member of a church, a nonprofit government entity opportunity for all of you, reach out on the contact site and, you know, tailorable opportunity for you. Certainly worth it. And the people you'll meet, I'm telling you, are remarkable, far more remarkable than the folks I've ever met. So it's worth it. It's worth a look. Yeah. And I would just say order your life. Ask the Lord if this is something, if it makes you excited and you go, all right, go and sit down

56:56with the Lord and find out, hey, it's just the right thing for me. Is this something for my son? Is this something that I want to be a part of? And then do the hard thing and be a part of it. I think you just gave us the show title right there. That's right. Order your life right there. That should be the show title. That is the show title or right there. I love it. Order has been a, a common theme in this entire discussion. So gentlemen, thank you for your time. Thank you for your work once again. And I'm going to go ahead and close us out. Ladies and gentlemen, there you go. There's the solution right there. Order your life. Get it in its proper order. If you don't know how to, well, then these guys and Boulder Creek retreat might be the location for you. Versions, I hope you're paying attention. Because this is the type of event that you want to facilitate at your church. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life Book and Independent Agents, Finders Insurance and Mark37.com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm.

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