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2:14Our guest tonight, we have a little trouble with his camera. Could not get his camera going, but he will be with us in audio. He's a longtime UFO researcher, Noreo Hayakawa. I've had him on the show. I think it was a long time ago, like 2015. I think it was over 10 years ago. I don't know for sure, but it was a long time ago. He's got a great spirit, really interesting guy. Annie Bianca and studying the subject of UFOs back all the way back in 1961. His interests include Area 51, Dolce. He really has an interesting perspective. He's kind of skeptical about claims of alien visitation. I love to really explore all different types of theories on this because the bottom line is we really do not know. So a little housekeeping. This Thursday we have Kevin Astrali. He's a musician rock musician. He's been contacted me God for many years, and finally,

3:16I just said, all right, let's hear you. Let's see what you got to say. And we also have some terrific guests here coming up. Let me pull up a picture here. These are some of them coming up. And as you see from left to right, this gentleman's name Tony Woody over there on the left. And by the way, if you're listening to this in the audio, if you go in the show notes, the picture will be up with the guest names and things like that. So first of all, it's Tony Woody, who I met at the Exeter conference I was at. And he had such an amazing story about an encounter in the A-Zorz that I said, hey, look, we're going to have to do a different type of interview. And I brought him to my play some ports with set up a studio and interviewed him that way. And you wait to hear that one. Then on my way to South Carolina, I had an idea. Why don't I contact Lou Elzondo and see if he can meet me in person. So I got a run at a room down there right near him 10 minutes away. And we sat

4:16down. We had a really amazing conversation. And some hard questions. He answered them all. He was forthcoming. I thought it was another great one. That will be coming up in that will premiere on October 6th. I also managed to drag next to him. You'll see Charlie Fultz myself in the middle of Jim Weiner and him. And they are from the 1976 Algasche abduction case or incident whatever you want to call it. I also dragged them over to my place in New Hampshire. And that was a conversation. I think they revealed some things I haven't heard before. Now I talked to them all the way back. And 2013 had bad audio. I was at a location. So they agreed to come. And it was a great time. That's going to premiere on October 13th. Then Jeff Newticelli. He will be joining us the following week. I think it's the 20th. And there's a lot. And lots of really great great guests look for them. Booked all the way to November. I believe. And so sure be sure to check back. And a

5:20lot of these shows are Thursday nights. So I have Tuesdays and Thursday nights with guests. So this week's blog over at podcast UFO dot com is a by the UFO author and history buff Charles Lear. This one's called a 1976 occupant report from the Canary Islands. Same year as the Alagash. And I think it's also the same year as a lot of experiences that year in 1976. So it's quite a bit going on. Anyway, thank you all for being here and bringing my guests to hang on just a moment. Here we go. Noreo, how are you? How are you Martin? Thank you so much for having me on on your show. Thank you. And I do think it's been a hackable long time like 10 years or something. I'm sorry we couldn't get you camera going. We really gave it a good effort. But you're here on

6:21audio and that's good. So anyway, I got to ask you right up the bat. When I read anyone getting interested in this subject all the way back in 1961, I got to say what drew you to it in the first place? In the first place, the reason for my many years of interest in this beautiful phenomenon originated from a sighting that was reported by my father in 1947 and in the summer 1947. My father claimed that he had seen a flying saucer over the bay of Yokohama, Japan, one of some night in 1937. He was experienced to fish and basically obvious. And every night he used to go fishing

7:27in the bay of Yokohama from around two in the morning all the way up to the dawn and that kind of included his crew. My mother had the understanding that my father promised her that he's going to be a novelist and he's going to write some books. But instead, he succumbed to his passion which was night fishing. But one night in the summer of 1947, as he was night fishing around two to three o'clock in the morning in the bay of Yokohama, he suddenly saw a strange greenish ball of fire slowly maneuvering over the bay of Yokohama as if it was intelligently controlled or something. And so when I was a kid, he used to tell us that is my mother and my sister and myself

8:33over the dinner table about his amazing sighting. But my mother was skeptical about it. But I believed in his testimony. And as I continue to grow up, and started going to middle school and so on, high school. In 1961, I was a high school student in Yokohama, Japan. And that's when I really got into this subject of UFOs. And that was 1961. I wanted to get to the bottom of this phenomenon. And so began my long years of research into this strange phenomenon that still exists. And we just don't really know the real nature of this

9:36phenomenon. And so I never told anybody that I was skeptical about alien visitations. I am only skeptical when it comes to the actual physical extraterrestrial biological entities visiting us in physical spacecraft of any kind. So that's the difference. So I am a definite believer and supporter of the view that we are being visited, but not physically. And that's my contention for many years. In other words, I'm a supporter of the idea that we are being visited not by physical entities in physical spacecraft, but we are being visited by what I define as paraphysical sentient entities, materializing in this dimension of ours, and giving us

10:48the impression that they are physical biological entities in a biological spacecraft. So that's the difference. So I'm not a denier of the UFO phenomenon. In fact, I strongly support the reality of the UFO phenomenon, but the problem is what is reality? That is the big question. And that always in my pursuit. It's funny. I've been saying that quite a bit lately about reality, wondering about it. So I just have to announce this at premiering tomorrow night. I just had to schedule it because it was a quick interview that I did in Exeter. But it's an amazing entity encounter that's coming out on the YouTube channel only, not on my podcast, because it's only seven minutes long. But anyway, it's a woman in Charleston, Mass, and she has in this encounter, and when she's 15 years old with this entity that is so bizarre, and it's really quite incredible.

11:55It'll give you a chill to listen to this. And anyway, the bottom line is she felt like she could reach through it like it was from another dimension, and it was like moving oil. It's a really strange one. And she had some like type of weird telepathic or something about her past or whatever. Anyway, check it out on the YouTube channel. I'll try to link that in the show notes. So anyone that's listening to this audio can just click on the link and it'll bring it to the YouTube. But yeah, so there's the theory of interdimensional and paraphysical, I think I heard you saying? Yes, that is the word that very few researchers use. In fact, I haven't heard of many other researchers that use the term paraphysical, but you can classify that as paranormal, I guess that's the word, but I prefer paraphysical because they appear

12:57to be physical, but yet not completely physical. That's what she was describing. And I don't know, I can't say, when I speak to different people, like I say, I like to hear all sides of this thing, because I never really pay much attention to someone that says they know what it is. I like, I rather someone suggests what it might be. And I feel that's kind of what you're doing. But I've had a number of people that just say they are extraterrestrial or they are interdimensional, or they are time travelers or whatever it is. And until we know for sure, we really won't know. But it's definitely such a puzzle keeps me going constantly. Definitely. And yeah, our mission is 24-7 access to fresh food for all.

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15:01Back to school may add another layer of busy, but I don't cut corners when it comes to my family and nutrition. Good nutrition is necessary for learning activity and development, and nutrient-dense foods like protein-packed lean beef provide key nutrients to fuel the whole family. Visit backtoschoolcalifornia.com for money-saving offers on beef, delicious recipes, and more. Back to school nutrition starts with backtoschoolcalifornia.com. Everybody wants a shot. A chance to show the world what they got. This pike all the effort by the US government so far we have not seen any tangible physical

16:14as well as documentary evidence whatsoever of any who extraterrestrial or any kind. It has just been talked, talked, talked, and so until we get hold of a definite physical artifact which is like extraterrestrial origin, as long as we don't have the artifact, we can't do anything but to speculate. And the best way is to present this idea that not everything in this world has to be physical. There are non-physical phenomena in this world that we have to realize that. And this phenomenon has been in existence since time immemorial.

17:21So my conclusion is that we are being faced with a dilemma that and that brings us back to what the government knows. But my personal belief is that the the government, the Pentagon and the military are ignorant as to the nature, the real nature of this phenomenon. And this is the reason why it has been impossible for the Pentagon or the military to come up with any definitive statements about this phenomenon. Have you been listening? Pardon me. Have you been listening to my show because I pretty much say the same thing. I don't know if you know that but I pretty much said the same thing along and I just sat down and talked with Lou Elisando like I said two days ago and I ran that by him. I said

18:29I don't think the government has a full picture and because they don't have the full picture, they can't say whether they can protect us or from things in our sky and things like that. And he said basically agreed with me. They don't really have, they really don't know. And so I don't know where you could say that we would go from here just because we, I don't know if we'll ever be able to explain the topic but all the way through whatever it is. And one of the things I like and I don't know, I'm sure you've heard this before, Shock Valley had said something along the lines. Maybe it's a lot of different things and maybe it's actually something that we may not understand. I like that last part of it because I think that's possible. We may not understand what it is. I agree with you and the basic conclusion of mine is that there will never be any kind of disclosure

19:34initiated by the government because the government is just as confused as everybody and there has never been any intentional cover-up of this phenomenon. That's my position. There has never been any intentional cover-up just as Colonel, I forgot his name, John Alexander. Oh John Alexander, yeah. He stated that there has never been any real cover-up, intentional cover-up of this phenomenon. And I agree with him because, first of all, what is to disclose what is nothing to disclose because this disclosure will not be initiated by any government in the world but could only be

20:37initiated by the entities themselves if they exist. Okay. Only the direct disclosure initiated by the entities and a global scale would be the real disclosure. I have to say I have to disagree in a way with you, Norio, and that is I do believe 100% there's been cover-ups but what they're covering up may not be that they know something, it may be that they don't know something. And I think there's been, you think of all the different stories that have changed along the way, like for instance the Roswell, we could go into Roswell how many times they changed the story on that and many other things that the government has steered one way at the other but it also could be because they don't really know what it is and so they just don't

21:37alarm people and maybe cover it up in that way. That's one way of looking at it. No question about it but the other possibility that I have always looked is the possibility of what I call a possible global cabal of sorts, possibly trying to deceive us in the new future by orchestrating what I call counterfeit extraterrestrial scenario that could bring us all into one-one-ness. And so that's another theory that I have been promoting since 1990 and in the 1990s that's

22:41when I started raising this possibility that if there is a secret consortium of the secret the governmental entities, global white, the best way to unite us all will be to stage a fake extraterrestrial event. And I've been saying this since around 1990 and I have been friends with researchers that felt the same way such as the late William Cooper or Bill Cooper which many people don't like because of this. I remember him, yep. Yes because of this terrible personality but he agreed with him that that could scenario could happen in the future and

23:47we have acquired tremendous technologies in the past 30 to 40 years and I believe that we have enough technology to simulate some kind of a fake extraterrestrial type event. And the conditioning system of this has been taking place since after World War II in 1948, 1945. But to be more specific I felt very strongly that the year 1947 was the beginning of the slow manipulation of belief systems that are conditioning us to believe in physical extraterrestrial visitations for reasons

24:49that I just explained that possibly in the new future or in the far future I'm not sure it could be in the new future they could stage a fake extraterrestrial event to bring this world into one global system such as the new world order and so on. So I don't discount those possibilities. Okay first of all I just want to say thank you all for being here live tonight there's a lot of people in chat and if you want to post questions I see we have one right up here I'll put up just remember to put them in capsidon, miss them and bring this one up right up here from T-bone and he's asking what do you think about the extraterrestrial theory? The word ultra-terrestrial I don't know the real definition but my favorite term is

25:55ultra-dimensional because I don't like the word interdimensional or interdimensional because basically it is extra-dimensional phenomenon and this is my take is that we are being faced with challenges from the ultra-dimensional entities posing as physical extraterrestrial entities and conditioning us to accept them which I think is akin to a grand deception and I've been talking about the grand deceptions, UFO deceptions since 1990s and yeah I there are a lot of people who believe in the project Blue Beam and so on but I actually

27:03talked with this person that the Surge Monast Canadian journalist who claimed in 1993 that he had information that NASA was secretly planning to produce this effect of global fake invasion and he called it project Blue Beam but a lot of people don't take away obviously a lot of people don't take that seriously but let me explain to you that we have enough technologies now to simulate a partial or localized extraterrestrial events for example we have amazing development of technologies like the sound waves and I

28:06what you call it the mimicking abilities and projection of flea-dimensional imagery in the clouded sky or in the mountains areas those technologies have been developing at an unbelievable rate so any technology that's 10 years old is old technology by now that's how much the technological development is taking place so who is to say that we don't have enough technologies now even to orchestrate a localized extraterrestrial event that convinces the observers that they were looking at a real event hey it's Tories Spelling actress Podcast hosts and mom back to school may add another layer of busy but I don't cut corners when it comes to my

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30:13internet speeds starting at only thirty dollars a month with a five-year price lock so how can you fetch such an amazing deal by calling 8669 optimum or visiting optimum dot com to switch that's 8669 optimum speaking of fetch that's my cue terms apply see optimum dot com for details so what would be the purpose of something like that the purpose is to create panic or fear why why what i still don't understand why that would be that is to create panic and fear is the first step to forcefully unite the world into one entity one political social religious whatever one entity and that's uh what i call the globalized global governance so this idea has been promoted for many years by

31:22those who believe in eschatological scenarios like the fundamentalist bible believing Christians who were teaching people that in the future there will be a globalized government and that just like a global dictatorship that will be coming and so this scenario is not a far-fetched idea actually many people right now are wanting they are so discouraged about this present political social situation that they want something more they want something somebody to really build up this global governance and forgetting about the small things that divides

32:24all the nations of the world that from wars and all kinds of things and so this is really one of the ways to forcefully conduct a global governance and even Christian even Russian who president have mentioned that possibility and so this is some kind of a characteristic of evangelical Christians and in America right now which is absolutely divided into two camps one camp in America is a believer in evangelical Christianity and the other camp is the those who are against evangelical Christianity

33:25and it's just totally split up and so they will come a time when a third force could initially a global governance by force by creating a false scenario and making people worried about everything well well I would agree that would be wonderful we could figure out a way to stop the warring and stop such division I think there's a lot more division than just those two beliefs you mentioned but this division is in every way in every topic in every situation so I don't know if there's ever going to be a cure to that in any type of global way coming together but you will see societies come together under stress I do understand where you're going there I just don't know how effective something like that but let's let's just move on I just wanted to ask you one thing also

34:331947 you mentioned your dad had this green orb type siding which is right in what we consider the beginning of the modern UFO incident do you remember what the era the modern UFO era do you remember what time of year that happened in 1947 it was in the summer in the summer of 1947 first of all in the summer of 1947 in the United States alone there were many sightings of strange greenish ball of fire reported in states like New Mexico where I live and it was known as the strange ball of fire green balls of fire and it was investigated by Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico and sightings of these greenish ball of fires were so common in 1940 not 1947 and even earlier that 1947 but the strange thing is that a lot of things happened in 1947

35:46except for example the establishment of the Air Force there was no Air Force until 1947 when the Army Air Corps changed its name to Air Force and then another thing was that 1947 the National Security Agency was established in SA and also the Central Intelligence Agency was established in 1947 then 1947 was the beginning of so many things that took place in the United States and of course everybody has heard about the Rosalind incident in 1947 in New Mexico and so basically 1947 was a very significant year and the significance of 1947 as far as I'm concerned

36:49was because it was the first step for a covert governmental operation to manipulate people's belief in the idea of alien presence and so it has been like that since 1947 and it's still going on even now there's a tremendous effort by the Pentagon and the military to promote the belief in alien physical visitations and congressional hearings are being done by a few years or every year but nothing has changed but the only thing is that with the use of AI and other technologies it's rapidly changing the belief systems of many people and this is exactly what the entities themselves would like

37:58humans to believe in that is the existence of physical existence of physical aliens from out of space hey it's Tori spelling actress podcast host and mom so back to school means the same thing to me is a does to you whatever's on that school supplies list make sure you add protein iron zinc and the rest of the 10 essential nutrients found in beef sounds like homework tastes like the best school lunch ever visit back to school california.com for money saving offers on beef delicious recipes and more back to school nutrition starts with back to school california.com and everybody wants a shot a chance to show the world what they got.

39:10hi i'm Gus i'm a dog in an expert in speed so when it comes to fast internet i know what i'm talking about that's why i recommend optimum fiber powered internet it has fast and reliable internet speeds starting at only 30 dollars a month with a five year price lock so how can you fetch such an amazing deal by calling 8669 optimum or visiting optimum.com to switch that's 8669 and that's my cue. terms apply see optimum.com for details. so let's just unwrap like one one scenario one incident and i'm sorry if i cut you off a little bit right there by accident but all right let's go to secoro 1966 and that happens. Lonnie's a more a very credible witness the egg shape craft the entities are seen getting out little small things are small children white out overalls and jay alan hynek that's when he basically changes mind there's really something to this how would you explain that in your terms how that

40:16incident in particular i'm just a scenario. yeah actually the secoro new mexico incident with Lonnie's hamora officer Lonnie's hamora in 1964 April 24 that incident 1964 that incident really changed my life because at that time in 1964 i was in the university in Tokyo and on April 24 i was in the library of this university in Japan reading a newspaper and suddenly i saw this headline small headline in the newspaper saying that patrol officers seize saucer sitting on sand and it came from aap wires from a small town called socorro new mexico which i never even heard of and so that is the main reason why in 1965 i came all the way from japan to new mexico because strangely strangely enough in 1965 the

41:27following year i received a partial scholarship at a university right here in albacarkey new mexico in water tremendous coincidence and that is why i started following in love with the state of new mexico which is one of the most fascinating states in the united state in fact the state of new mexico is really the place where things seem to have started as far as modern era of uvology is concerned yeah i talked with this long e samora officer in 2008 when i my cell my one moved from Los Angeles to new mexico in 2008 and in 2009 i spoke to long e samora for the first time on telephone and he was such honest kind gentleman very lovable and i talked him for quite a long time

42:35on the telephone and he told me exactly as was reported by the newspapers about the strange egg shaped overlauged that he witnessed about 300 feet away from him in the middle of the desert outside of a small town named socorro and what happened was around three or four in the afternoon officer socorro was chasing a high-speeding vehicle outside of socorro and suddenly he heard a loud explosion in the desert and so he stopped chasing a high-speeding car and then he went towards the desert and lord behold there was a silver metallic oval shaped object with pride pods just sitting about 300 feet near him and that was the beginning of the commodity samora incident and of

43:36course that became the most documented credible UFO sighting that ever investigated by the likes of island hine again the many others and so what's interesting 1964 is that another incident took place south of socorro in the air force base called homomod air force base which was about an hour away from socorro and in that same day there was an alleged landing of a strange craft at homomod air force base but this incident at homomod air force base cannot really be documented but in other words that's the story but whether it really happened it's very difficult to say but

44:421964 became the turning point in the ecology in the state of new mexico now there was that other family that claimed that they saw this thing but they never were able to track them down they stopped I believe at a gas station and they told what they saw fly over them and all that but no one have ever has had to retract them down or they never came forward either so after that that's right and there was a similar incident on the very same day in northern new mexico in a town named espanyola there was the side of it yeah yeah in a town of espanyola in new mexico on the same date there was a signing of a strange object and Martin the reason I'm interested in the socorro incident is because when melonism or reported it

45:49he he noticed that there were two small entities dressed in white cover all and they were in small entities and they noticed that they were being observed by melonism or and they quickly went inside the craft and a few seconds later the craft made an explosive sound and it took off in the air then momentarily it just flew at such an unbelievable rate of speed towards the far distant horizon as if hey it's torries belling with back to school season here the focus at my house has shifted to classes assignments and after school activities and good nutrition is especially important lean beef is packed with protein iron zinc and other essential nutrients that help kids thrive in the classroom and stay energized throughout the day visit back to schoolcalifornia.com

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48:01terms apply see optimum dot com for details it was not using any kind of propulsion system but it almost felt like it almost sounded like it just disappeared into the air into the distant horizon but this is another one of the characteristics of this phenomenon is that this phenomenon has the ability to dematerialize and materialize at will and and to me this was a special incident especially by selection of observer in our worst this phenomenon seems to have the capability of materializing suddenly and dematerializing in front of selected observers for some strange reason we don't understand yet and so that's one of my conclusion

49:04about the strangeness of this phenomenon that that is to say its capability to appear suddenly and disappear suddenly but yet it cannot survive it seems in our physical dimension for more than a few seconds or a few minutes at a time each time and there are very few researchers that don't on this subject matter and I've been delving with this for many years talking about the strangeness of this phenomenon that is to say materialization and dematerialization at will and its capacity to select the observers for some strange reason and thirdly this phenomenon has a special capability of making the

50:09photography of that object almost impossible in a clear manner and so I've been studying this mass findings of the course for many many years and here all in the harmington New Mexico which is near the four corners area of New Mexico in 1950 a very strange incident took place and that's called the harmington UFO mass appearance that I've heard about that yeah days in a row during daytime and hundreds and hundreds of citizens in harmington which at that time was a small time of about 6000 population on March 15 1950 around lunchtime they saw not only one or two but hundreds

51:09and hundreds up to probably 500 silver looking metallic overshade objects making strange maneuvers over harmington and this one on for about an hour and then it died down and then the following day on March 16 1950 around the same time around lunchtime again people in harmington was astonished to see the sudden appearance of hundreds and hundreds of metallic disk-shade object doing all kinds of maneuvering for one hour and then finally on the third day on March 17 St Patrick's Day on March 17 1950 again this same thing happened and the newspaper office of formington couldn't help but

52:10write a huge front page article with one inch headline saying that the farmington was invaded by an armada of flying saucers and this incident is not too well known even when I came to New Mexico to live here again in 2008 I have never heard of the farmington incident until I actually did some research went to the city of harmington and finally I got to talk with actual witnesses of this strange mass appearance of UFOs in over farmington it I talked to this witness and he reported exactly what was reported in the newspaper but the strange thing about this farmington incident is that

53:12there's not even a one single photograph of the activities over the sky of farmington not one single photograph so somehow my conclusion is that this phenomenon has the ability to invade being photographed with clarity and this is the reason why I investigated other incidents similar to the farmington incident and that was the strange appearances of hundreds and hundreds of objects over the small town village of Fatima in Portugal in 1917 in 1917 on October 13th there were about 50,000 people who gathered all over from all over Portugal to this small village because for many months this shepherd girl claimed that she was contacted by

54:20an entity dressed in white who told her that on October 13th, 1917, 1917 on October 13th that she would cause celestial miracle in over the skies of Fatima and this is the reason why by that time there were at least 50,000 people including journalists and photographers from all over Portugal that assembled to this small town in Portugal called Fatima and it was a rainy day it's just raining cats and dogs that day on October 13th 1917 in Fatima and suddenly our all new time the rain suddenly stopped and in the sky appeared a grey dull disc shaped object

55:21that started appearing over the crowd and started making some amazing maneuvers in the sky for at least a few seconds or maybe at least 30 seconds maybe up to one minute and hundreds of people who were looking up saw this amazing event but yet despite the fact that there were journalists and photographers assembled there not even one single photograph of this aerial display that took place in Fatima was taken not even a month yeah that's right hey I want to I was going to just pull up a picture of that the Fatima because it's such a it was such a phenomenon all the people that came there from all over everywhere's picture coming

56:23up for those have you have not seen any of this type of images anyway so you're right there you're not far away from the National UFO Dave Marlar's archives what is it National UFO historical records by the way I should say to our listeners that I was on the phone with Dave Marlar yesterday had a nice conversation hopefully next year I'm going to get out there we're going to be doing some filming and sit down I'm really into history and historical things so I'll probably probably be hard for me to leave once I start digging in all that but have you gone there have you looked through some of these I was there just about a couple of weeks ago and I took the video footage of my visit and it was I was very impressed by the fact that it was the large the library itself was quite large there were thousands of books on the UFOs and there

57:30many files and everybody can actually look at these files that have been collected by organizations like Kufos and APRO and David Marlar is the only person that has actually kept all these records and made available to the public and so he is working with the City of Riharancho and the City of Riharancho officially approved this museum and it's being held at the elementary school but it's not a small facility it's quite big and he gets supports from the City of Riharancho as well as from the state of New Mexico so more funding is coming and I believe that someday this will become one of the most important UFO records center that

58:38would be even better than the strange crazy Roswell UFO museum which to me is nothing but this a UFO record center in Riharancho is more realistic and it doesn't come to any conclusion but it just leaves up to the visitors to make their own decisions about this strange phenomena. We you and I agree on what our take is on Mr. Bob Lazar so we don't have to go there because I get attacked every time I state how I feel about Bob Lazar in his story and I did debate someone recently Luigi who did a film called S4 United Debate so if anyone wants to watch that it's on this channel back I don't know maybe a month ago.

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1:00:40There's nothing like being in the stands cheering on your favorite team. Game time is your hack to unlocking amazing tickets in just a few taps. It's easy to use and the game time guarantee means you can trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets at the best price. Fees are always included so what you see is what you pay. Take the guesswork out of buying sports tickets with game time. Download the game time app and create an account to start searching for tickets to upcoming games and events. But let's talk about Dolce because that whole we don't have a lot of time here but Dolce is something that everyone I know it's a very it is a very weird area but how that story gets started and how it lasted for so long and still there's a lot of people that really still believe there's underground there's an underground base there but I know it all had to do with Paul Benowitz and all that but I know that you did a lot of research and that you're in the area you're from. Yes I'm familiar with Dolce because I've been researching about the alleged underground base

1:01:48in Dolce since 1988 since 1988 I have researched about this underground base in Dolce in New Mexico and 1990 I had a chance to take a Japanese television crew to the town of Dolce in New Mexico which is part of the Hikariya Apache Indian Reservation and so ever since 1988 I continued my study about Dolce in New Mexico and all I can say is that I have searched a lot of places in Dolce but and I visited there many times and I even occasionally even now visit Dolce because I have made a lots of friends in the Dolce the Hikariya Apache Native American people and I respect their cultural beliefs and everything and I made a lot of friends

1:02:53but one thing I can say is that so far ever since I've been going to Dolce I have yet to find find any single physical evidence whatsoever that there's a underground biological laboratory in or around Dolce in New Mexico not one shred of physical evidence yet there seem to be some kind of a strange paraphysical phenomenon that has been going on in Dolce since around 1967 and just recently I wrote a comprehensive article and titled Dolce Base may not physically exist but paraphysical phenomena seem to haunt Dolce in New Mexico a comprehensive summary by yours truly and anybody can look up that article because it's a very complete overview of why the

1:04:05rumors started and why it's still continuing but I as I mentioned to you there is something strange going on in Dolce which I classify as a paranormal activity area or better yet a paraphysical phenomena area and I have known many residents of Dolce who even today claim that they occasionally see a flight of military helicopters over the town and I have also encountered many residents in Dolce in New Mexico who tell me of their encounter with some strange entities that they call skin lockers and also they have told me about some strange paraphysical experiences

1:05:07of a scene what they describe as bigfoot right by the Navajo River that separates the town of Dolce from the Alchule de Mesa but do I discount all these claims no not at all I believe that Dolce Base may not exist but definitely some strange paraphysical phenomena is haunting this strange location in fact but this is more interesting location than Roswell if you want to experience something paranormal or talk to people who experience these things there are hundreds and hundreds of natives in Dolce that can tell you about their experience with the unknown and I believe that this area is one of the most important area located in New Mexico and the

1:06:17the defense department is definitely has been definitely interested in the goings-on in Dolce in New Mexico and this is the reason why the government may have taken advantage of the psychological aspect of the belief systems of the people in Dolce to conduct some kind of a fake extraterrestrial type scenarios using some kind of a drone equipment since our 1967 to produce the effect that the whole town was invaded somehow by alien entities and but I'm saying this because this all started in 1967 in 1967 the United States Department of Energy conducted an experiment about 22 miles southwest of Dolce de Mesa go by exploding an atomic

1:07:23device but a mile and a half underground right next to Dolce in New Mexico for the purpose of easing the the flow of natural gas which was present but which was being obstructed by rocks and heavy rocks underground and so the department of energy came up with this plan in 1967 on December 10th to use the post-World War II peace effort called the project the plowshare to make the natural gas flow much better than before to benefit the people in the Dolce area and the four corners area and this experiment was conducted in December 10th of 1967 and just before

1:08:27this experiment the government the Department of Energy the atomic energy commission at that time they went to the town of Dolce and told the people of Dolce and nearby communities that on December 1967 many local people will feel some kind of earthquake but not to worry because it's part of a post-World War program called project plowshare and to be exact it was called the project gas buggy to bring to that local area more availability of natural gas and 1967 who was the year when cohesitantly law of UFOs began to appear and many in Dolce in resident resident began to cease and strange flying objects flying over Dolce in New Mexico and by 1970 and 1970 not only

1:09:33that by many ranches in Dolce began to report strange activities uh criminal activities called mutilation of cows in the town of Dolce among ranches over there and just around the time after the time of the project gas buggy experiment it's my belief and it's the belief of many of the researchers like a late gate bow deaths was assigned by the state of New Mexico to investigate the criminal ongoing about the capital mutilations because many ranches in Dolce were suffering because they had lost many cows because of strange mutilations and so Dolce became a focal point in 1979 and the the state of New Mexico became so worried because of the complaints by ranches over

1:10:42that they were losing hundreds of thousands of dollars to the this what was described as criminal activity but uh jade valves and many others like my friend who has a ranch in Dolce his name is Edmund Gomez Edmund Gomez and both jade valves the state patrol officer who was assigned by the state of New Mexico to investigate the cattle mutilations they came up with a conclusion that it has nothing to do with alien activity that this uh all everything to do with the government trying to test if certain animals were being affected by radiation that started leaking from the project gas bug program and by 1975 many cattle and other animals began to show signs of radiation poisoning and so

1:11:55the government according to gait valves and my friend Edmund Gomez they came to the conclusion that the government was trying to create an alternative explanation to this cattle nucleation and they assigned certain agents to promote the idea that it was the aliens who mutilating the cow and taking the cows and so they successfully created an alternative story to the cattle mutilations that took place in dolce and even to this day people like gait valves and who passed away a few years ago but Edmund Gomez and the ranches the ranches dolce even today do not believe that the mutilations were the result of alien activity and I agree with their

1:12:56conclusion but yet this does not mean that nothing strange is going on in dolce in fact I just told you that there are some strange paraphrasical phenomenon that is still going on in the dolce area. I remember speaking with Bill Burns he did UFO hunters I think it was called in 2008-09 something like that and he visited in one of the episodes they visited dolce and I remember watching that episode and there was some strange calf that was just it looked like a human face it was really odd and he was just saying that whole area just gave him the willies being there and I have to tell my own experience and I was maybe 22-23 years old I was driving through the country my sister at the time and her husband lived in Los Alamos but I went to I remember going to a place like four

1:13:56corners and getting out of the car and just feeling like oh my god I gotta get out of here I felt a really weird feeling and do you ever feel any of these personally ever feel any strange feelings when you're in a place like dolce or that area. I don't feel anything but I go only testimonies I can go by feeling because I'm trying to keep myself scientifically oriented and I try to keep my two feet on the ground every time I talk about this or every time I explore strange areas or places like that but I only rely on the personal testimonies of these folks and there's no question in my mind that something still is going on over there even now. There are these hot spots all around where these weird things happen and it really makes you

1:15:02wonder why some people claim that it has to do with the minerals in the ground things like that but I don't know I can't say I would ever have any answer. Noreal you've been so fun to talk to tonight. Interesting concepts I appreciate your sharing your ideas with us it was a real pleasure. Thank you so much for having me on your important program and I sure enjoyed it. It was one of the best because I could express my thoughts freely and I hope people enjoyed it. Thank you now and if you would please drop me the line of the article of dolce I would like to share that and the show notes for everyone all you have to do is click on that and so thank you all for being here and don't forget to come back we're going to be here on Thursday at 8 p.m. with Kevin Estrella and remember everyone to keep your eyes to the sky thank you.

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