2811: This Food Item IS NOT As Healthy as You Think

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3:03it's probably going to make you fat. It's one of the worst things you can have. It's not a health food. We're going to talk about, let's go. Oh, that is a hot tea of milk. It is. I don't know if I agree with that. Smoothie? Well, I mean, do I get to put protein powder in it? Sure. Here's the thing. I'll tell you why I'm bringing this up. Okay. I mean, that Jamba Juice, for sure. Yeah. Do you guys remember? Hey. I know we all had to go through this when it was new. Like, I remember going and getting a peanut butter smoothie at Jamba Juice almost every post workout. And then I remember when they actually started to put the nutrition books in there. And then Rito was like, Yeah. Yeah. Of course it is. Ice cream in it. Yeah. These ice cream. I didn't even know. Well, I'll tell you why it's good. It's so good. I was already grabbed a sugar one shot. So here's what it came up. I was watching a show. Okay. And the guy is in the morning. He's being depicted as like, he's not a health fitness guy, but he's obviously concerned about his health. He's a health conscious person. And like a lot of people, he has his breakfast in his hand. It's a cup, a clear cup, and it's a fruit smoothie.

4:05And a lot of people have been led to believe that this is like a wonderful health food. Now, I want to be clear, fruit is not bad for you. But if you blend the hell out of it up, and you add it all, first off, you can have way more fruit as a smoothie than you would ever eat. Yeah. Number two, when you blend it up, you've changed it. So now the glycemic index goes through the roof. So whatever, however slowly you digest it through eating it, you blend it up and you've now made it essentially, not the same. I know it's not like a soda, but you've essentially made it a sugar bomb. And it's typically very high calorie. Even if you had protein, you've got yourself this kind of really high calorie, low satiety producing, glycemic index bomb that you can have. And you think it's a health food. That's what the damage is. Yeah, I mean, you're kind of bypassing that whole process your body has of like slowly digesting it and releasing it in timing-wise. So it's just like immediately hits your bloodstream. Well, this juicers are really bad.

5:05There you go. Because the amount of fiber. The amount of apples that you need to make a cup of juice or whatever fruit you're using in there is a lot. So that really concentrates like a juicer. A blended smoothie though, if it's predominantly almond milk or water and then A fruit, a piece of fruit in there. Who does that? Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, a spinach, blueberry banana, a protein smoothie would be a very common smoothie I would do. But I mean, to your point, I think everybody should at least one time in their life weigh the bananas they eat because what is considered a large banana in the nutrition guidebooks are not the large bananas you get at the grocery store. Also, the way it hits you, you know, when you blend food up, you change its surface, the surface of it to the total volume,

6:06making it very quickly absorbing. And so, you know, if I ate an apple, it has a different impact on me than if I blended an apple and drank it. It has a different impact on my blood sugar. Not to mention the amount of fruit that you can consume in a short period of time through a smoothie. But that's not the danger. Here's the real danger. It's that people think it's a health food. Like this is a health food. Here's our better option. Here's where I'll defend what you're saying, I think, is because I definitely think I actually think it's a great option for somebody who's trying to build or bulk. Like you can't get enough calories. Yeah, sure. Because the other point to your argument is that you have that and you digest it really quick and then you're hungry again in like an hour. That's why I think it's terrible for so long. Yeah, exactly. So to your point that I can get behind that, like if you're doing a smoothie for breakfast and your goal is weight loss, I do agree that's a bad strategy.

7:07I think if you were at maintenance and you're happy with where your weight is at and it works for your lifestyle, totally fine. But if your goal was weight loss, and so I guess maybe that's how I would have positioned. I like how you positioned it though. But I would have said something like it's different. But you're encouraging me to get people's attention. Yeah. Trying to approach you. I like it. I appreciate that because it made me think about it like, okay, well, I totally think I do that all the time and I've had clients, but you're right. I would never tell a weight loss client who's trying to lose body fat. You should blend a fruit smoothie up and more. There's better options. There's way better options. And one of the travesties with our diet is this myth of this belief or these beliefs around breakfast in particular. So we've been convinced that we should have no time for breakfast. So it's always this rush. So that's number one. Buffins aren't cake. That's right. Number two, because of that,

8:07breakfast foods or foods we would label as breakfast foods in the context of, I need it to be quick, are all terrible. Startable breakfast cereals. Then you got bagels and muffins and pastries. And then the health side is like, oh, here, this is healthy. Blend up a bunch of fruit. And if you had protein, it's fine. Well, no, if you're trying to lose body fat, first of all, it's going to produce very little satiety. It's great for bulking, not good for losing body fat. You're going to get many people, not everybody, but you could test this with a blood sugar regulator. You're going to get a spike in blood sugar that you wouldn't normally get, especially if you ate the fruit and ate the protein from a whole food source. It would be very different. Why don't you want, or why are we avoiding these sharp rises and blood sugar? We can make the metabolic argument. It's not good for your body, cause insulin, resistance, blah, blah. I'm not even going there. Sharp rises and drops and blood sugar. They just tend to encourage not great behaviors. You tend to feel not so good later.

9:08Appetite starts to spike. It doesn't bowed well for long term behaviors around eating it away. That's appropriate. Especially for fat loss. You know what? I don't subscribe to this. There's not a lot of great options for breakfast for high protein anymore. I was traveling this last weekend. I wouldn't stay at a cabin with my cousin. Kind of at the mercy of whatever she was the one cooking for the weekend. It is what it is. She's health conscious, so she, my cousin Stephanie, who you were. I love her. She made, for dinner, the first night that we were there, these healthy, ground turkey, enchilada dish. It's still enchiladas, but it's like a healthier version and stuff like that and made with ground turkey in this lactose-free cheese. It was really good. And then she made a huge, there's tons of us, tons of bulk. There was leftovers. Man, four eggs cracked over that in the morning. So amazing. Most dinners that I have,

10:09I'm trying to think the last time I had a dinner where it's like cracking a couple eggs over in the morning time, reheated is not amazing. I think it's so good. It is. It's just not what someone would consider like breakfast. Exactly. That's all marketing. 100%. We've been marketed to so well that breakfast is this waffle pancake, which is cake. Cake and cereal for breakfast is like, what's staples? And then just eggs, and we know that one or two eggs is not a lot of protein, but it's like you crack four eggs over the top of a dinner dish for the night before, and you got a really high, really good tasting, and makes me feel like I'm eating breakfast. Even to add to that, eggs, right? We think of it as for breakfast. Why can't you eat eggs for dinner? Or for lunch? Like it's so funny how we put foods in these weird categories, and so then people are like, oh, you want me to eat like some chicken and some rice? For breakfast? That's not breakfast. Why not? Why isn't it breakfast? Yeah. Eat it in the morning. And so that's my point with this is that the fruit smoothie has been so strongly sold

11:10as this healthy option in the morning, and most people who are doing it are not doing it for bulking. Most people who are doing it are like, okay, I'm going to lose weight. Yeah. I'm going to get healthy. And it's not going to be a great option for it. It's not going to help. You know what? That's how you're making me think now. Okay. So how much of that, the fact that that is a fruit smoothie for breakfast is more wildly, or more popular than cracking a couple eggs over dinner is. Yeah. And I wonder if it's because so much of what has been sold to us pancakes waffle cereal, pop tarts as like the breakfast or donuts, right? These are what people eat for so high sugar. Yeah. That seems more like, because of the high sugar in the fruit, because what is it that makes you go, that thing that you love for dinner, you don't love for breakfast? Yeah. Think about that for a second. Because at the time of the day, it does, that's all cravings and habits, shit. There's nothing to do even with what you like or not like,

12:12because you liked it at eight or six p.m. Yeah, I'm all marketing. It goes back to even the food pyramid. You know, it's like, it's not category of like, we got all the whole grains and balanced meal, you know, breakfast. It's all frickin' cars. I think it's like, re-condition yourself to start eating the stuff that you already love for dinner for breakfast. Which by the way, you know what this points to? And this is a great conversation. Is it points to the complexity around our relationship around food? Yeah. We're not even aware of half of these things. If I gave you a glass of orange juice with dinner, you'd be like, ill. Breakfast? Oh, yeah. Glass of orange juice. I gave you turkey stuffing. Yeah. We're only eating it one day. That's right. The year. That's right. And this is a good thing to examine with yourself. Because it also goes further than that, right? There's foods that you tend to navigate towards when you're stressed out or when you're upset or when you're happy. You know, a good example, by the way. I think pizza did a great job of marketing themselves as a breakfast food. It's just cold.

13:12Oh, yeah. People have cold slices of pizza in the morning because you left over from the night before. Yeah. And that even became a thing. But it's a really good thing to examine with your diet. Because oftentimes with, not, this isn't the big thing that's holding you back. But it's part of it. Is like, why can't I eat these foods at different times? What are my beliefs around food? What's my relationship like with certain meals to where, when I think of breakfast? Because that's one of the most challenging meals for clients. When you guys agree with it. Oh, yeah. It's always breakfast for me. That's the most challenging one. So, in the big challenge around it is exactly this. It's like, what's a breakfast food? Yeah. Oh, and I don't have any time. Oh, I fit it in that category. My favorite one is I'm rushed in the morning. Scramble eggs takes a grand total of eight minutes. If that. Maybe. If that. But it's weird that we're like convinced that it's like, no, no, no. I have to eat while I'm running out. By the time, this is why it's such BS. The thing, the enchilato, or the chicken and rice, or the ground beef and rice, whatever you had for dinner thing, by the time you,

14:12and I, to make this easy too, by the way, I don't know if people do this or not, but I make the big, we make the big dinner. And then I, when I'm cleaning the kitchen, I'm portioning it out in Tupperware. So it's already fast. So it's already set. I literally throw it in my glass thing in the microwave. I hit 230. I cracked the eggs over. By the time that thing is done microwaving, the eggs are ready to get thrown on top of it. It is not long at all. No. The idea, you know, a hack for somebody who can't wrap their brain around doing this, or with a client, what I would do, this is another way I love to use this tool. You fast somebody for 24 or 48 hours, and then they're, there's no to realize that. And then their first meal they get to have, is the breakfast dinner. Is the eggs over. They're excited about that. Yeah, name that whatever it is. Watch out, good that takes. When you haven't had something for that long, and it's like you need to re-condition that, change that relationship with food, there you go. That's how you start doing that. And if that's so hard for you to wrap your brain around.

15:13And then after you've conditioned yourself, which I've been doing this long enough now, I actually crave that. That sounds so much better than a bowl of cereal, or waffles, or pancakes do for breakfast, is having one of those dinners with some eggs cracked over the top. I just think you'd have so many things that are like toast. When would you eat toast, aside from breakfast? Yeah. When would you have to swim? A slice of toast will better. I mean, it's really good thing to think about and understand, because I think the key, I know this. The key to long-term success with diet is changing relationship to food. That's really what a boil is down here. That's all this is. Because when you have a, first off, you have to have a complete relationship with food. What I mean by that is, if you grew up in a modern society, which if you're listening to this podcast, the odds are you did, your relationship with food is very narrow likely. It's likely this really narrow relationship where it really boils down to, is it the right time to eat this food and is it palatable? That's it. It's really about it.

16:13That's how you judge what you need to eat for the most part is am I going to enjoy eating this thing? You don't have a complete relationship, like how does this affect my digestion, or athletic performance, or energy. You don't have a complete relationship with it. And I know this because I've trained so many people that when I would have people start paying attention, they started to realize that certain foods that they ate all the time made them feel crummy. Like I didn't even realize that the energy crash I had was because I had a bagel every morning. Once I took that out, I felt better. So one of my family members is doing this with diet. And she has eliminated a lot of things that ever died and then recently had an oat milk latte from Starbucks. And she texted us and she's like, this kills my stomach. She's like, I didn't realize I always had stomach issues and it was probably this thing I had every day. I just had to take it out. For 30 days before I realized it. But once you have a complete relationship, here's the selling point now. So I'm going to sell it to everybody. As your relationship with food becomes more complete, it gets easier to eat healthy. Way easier. It's not like this struggle all the time

17:13because you have this better relationship with it. I mean, I think it's just, I think it's hilarious that something that you admit that you like at 6 p.m. at night, you don't. At 7 p.m. That should make you want to inspect that relationship. That's strange. It's not like I'm asking you to eat something that you don't like. All I'm saying is the thing that you ate at 7 o'clock that you love to eat, throw four eggs over it in the morning time and it's life changing. And it's just like, and then just do that for a while. Re-condition like how you eat in the morning like that and holy shit look at this. And it's like, it's so time-saving because you're already making dinner is the one that I feel like most people, not everybody, but most people consistently make, right? If they're going to cook anything. If you're going to cook, yeah. If you're going to cook, yeah. I mean, obviously there's people out there like, I don't cook anything. I get that too. But the one meal you like. But yeah, the one meal you cook dinner. Okay, so stop cooking just for dinner and double the recipe. Like double or triple the recipe.

18:13And then while you're cleaning the kitchen up, which we all do, we have to do, section it off in the cup of rice, the six to eight ounces of meat, and you're a tupperware, put it in the fridge, and then in the morning, when you get up and you're in such a hurry, take the two minutes, 30 seconds, put the microwave and throw the four eggs on. It's so funny. I was just having this conversation, like along those lines with my wife, because I did, I grilled a bunch of chicken thighs yesterday. So I did like meal prep sometimes. I was going to make a bunch of chicken thighs. So I have a bunch of ready meals that I can have, you know, when I come to work or whatever. And so she's putting them in tupperware for me. And she's like, you're going to eat the same thing. Like, don't you get sick of this? I said, no. I said, first off, I like the taste. It's not bad. It's not like it's good. It's like pizza or something like that. But it's not bad. But it makes me feel good to eat this way. So I enjoy eating it. Now it's not the only thing I eat. I don't just eat these meals, because she makes dinner. So I have something different for dinner. Sometimes I'll have something different for breakfast. But it's my relationship with it is,

19:13it's enjoyable because it doesn't taste bad. But I like the way it makes me feel. I was just came back from LA for a podcast circuit. And I'm very aware, I've been doing this for a while now, where I go and I'll fly somewhere and do like three or four shows in a day, which requires a lot of energy, not physical energy, but you have to be mentally sharp. And you go from one place to another, get on, you got to do the thing. And so I'm really, really conscious of how I feel mentally. I'm very aware of which foods I should eat when I'm doing that. And it typically looks like lower carb, higher protein, and I'll have some fiber. So breakfast normally without halves, let's say steak, eggs, and potatoes. I'll have just some steak and some berries. And then for lunch, it's going to be like some kind of vegetable and some kind of protein. I don't normally eat like that regularly, but I know I feel more mentally sharp to be able to do four shows from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. And so I'm just aware. And so what does this mean? When I eat it, do I hate it? No, I enjoy it because I know what it's going to produce.

20:14So the relationship with it is fine. It doesn't bother me. I mean, I actually prefer it. I think it's great. I also think too. I mean, you can't, you don't do dairy. Right. But the dishes that I'm giving examples of too. I'll throw some cheese on it. Throw some cheese on it. I wish I could do it. What, one of two ounces of cheese on top of that too? I mean, you can throw that on anything. It's amazing. I do. And let me tell you, one to two ounces of cheese on a dish like that is not what's keeping you fat or not fat. No. Like that, you're talking about a couple hundred calories in the morning time over a healthy dish. That's not the difference of you being in shape or not shape. So it doesn't have to be, so it doesn't have to be dry chicken, chicken breasts and white rice and pouring eggs. Like, no, I'm, I'm got cheese and salsa and like, you know, it's, it's a salsa's another good one. Yeah, it's amazing. All right. I got to bring this up. I can't hold it any longer just because you're going to die, bro. Over there. So remember how I brought up how the killer whales have been observed putting dead salmon on their heads.

21:15Yeah. And it's like a style. It's like they're showing off their new style. Did you know chimps are being observed putting blades of grass up their butt? What? Yeah, definitely. What? What? They'll walk around and they'll have long blades of grass taking out of their butt. And to the best of the scientific ability, they're like, this, I think it's a style. Or they ate some, or they ate some that made their butt itch. No, they're literally, this is like a phenomena that's been well observed. It's not like they're not shaking it around. No, you guys see the pictures, dude. Let's see if that could find some of these pictures. Don't walk around. It's like long grades of blood. What's the best? Long blades of grass. It's non-functional and poiled at whole to a fashion trend of sticky. You got to find the pictures of it because I was cracking out. Yeah, see grassy butt. Yeah, look at the left. They're so, they're so hot right now. Look at that, dude. We laugh at that. We think they're so ridiculous. Like, come on.

22:15Everything we wear is ridiculous. I was going to say this is them. They see women walk around skirts or like this is their version. Or super long, you know, super high heels that hurt your feet or whatever. Yeah. Wow. The first chimp to do that was the full chimp. Nice little accessory. And everybody decided he's the trend setting. Look how much grass he has. Look at Dave, dude. He's got something shiny over here. As soon as the female chimps were attracted to it, all the other dudes were like, that is so weird. I know. Is it possible? There's some sort of nutrient that's in the grass that is getting absorbed. I don't think so. I was just like a prank and they're like, you know, like farting it over one of them or something. I mean, did you go, did you go down the rabbit hole and just read some theories or they just go, literally the trend. The best fashion. The best fashion. That's it. It's some kind of social trend. As soon as Doug Googled it, that was the first thing that came up was trend. It was like, it's accidentally like, you know, it was trying to like wipe or something and stuck it in there and then just walking around the lake. Oh, man, there's a 12 year old chimp named Juma who started it all in

23:202023. In the origin. Yeah. Oh, it's like this is a dude. Yeah. And so once Juma did it, so once Juma did it, five other chimps did the same thing within a few weeks. What? Yeah. Then they just like grab one and do that blade. Yeah. Juma's a trendsetter, dude. Yeah. Juma. You got them Juma's, dude. We're speaking of like revelations stuff. So I'm in L.A. Right. I got to share this because it's just, you know, for the aging dudes, for the aging dudes listening. So I'm in the hotel. And in the hotel room, the bathroom has your mirror, but it has one of those mirrors that kind of unfolds. Oh, no. It folds out the little mirror. Yeah, yeah. And I wake up, you know, do my thing, take a shower, I'm trying to like get my hair to look halfway decent, whatever. So I use the little mirror and I go like this, I see my head, bro, from this angle right here. Bro. I think everything. Hey. The hair loss. Every.

24:20Every. It's up. Every man that would involved has that story. That one time. That time. I know. Like, like, like, know what you were never in denial that you're thinning. No, I knew it was never in denial, but there is that there's a, there's a, there's a very clear moment in time. And I remember what mine was, it was when we were shooting content early days out in the front and Rachel still worked for us. And I think her and Drew were behind the camera back then. And she's doing cuts, you know, and then she come over and she'd be like, and between cuts, I was down on my phone working. And that was when we had all of them soft lights up there. Right lights. And so she's like, you know, what do you think of this edit? She's going through and then you see me put my head down and I'm like, yeah, what's happening? Nobody told me. It was like that bad. You know, it's like, I, of course, I knew, like, but I didn't know like that. Like, and I was just, that was it. I lived next day. I was shaved off, dude. And then I never looked back. Well, so I'm like, I'm not as brave as you are.

25:21So I was telling my wife, because my wife's been slowly, like, encouraging me. Cut of your hair shorter. Like, let's slowly transition. My, my texts are like, babe. I'm like, it's really bad. She's like, it's not, I'm like, honey, you're short. You don't see the top. Yeah. Like, like, you know, because you see me for my hair. That's how I felt Katrina was. Katrina was like, oh, it's fine. I'm like, you don't see the top. Yeah. You don't see the eight. Yeah. So so she's, she's like, this what you're going to do. She goes, uh, when Vicki cuts your hair. So so today it's shorter. Every week get it a little shorter, a little shorter. And then eventually you'll be all the way down. This is the interesting strategy. Yeah. I'm not against it. I think it's interesting. I'm more of a rip the bandage. Yeah. Yeah. You get like the fruit cut going. Because I'm trying to think if I, like, I'm looking at it right now and I'm like, if I grew mine back out, I think I might be like, what'd it be like this? Well, who knows though? It's been a while. So I like, because I was, I was already committed before that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're thin enough now where I was, I was, that was enough for me. Yeah. That was that the white light hitting like the experience you just had was enough for me to go like, but I also, you know, like, cause, uh, and you'll see, watch when you get all these messages.

26:21This is what a bunch of dudes are. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I, as a kid, we, I shaved my head intentionally like all the time. So did I. Oh, you did. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that shouldn't be a big deal for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I feel like if you honestly, if we weren't on camera all the time, I wouldn't care less. I'd just shave it. But I just, I'm waiting for the comments. You know what I mean? Like, ooh, you shaved his head. Where'd it go, you know? Maybe becoming a beanie guy. A beanie guy? Yeah. You're not, you're not, you're not really a hat guy. Justin is, Justin is the one that makes me the most angry. He is this gorgeous hair and he wears a hat all time. It's like disrespectful. Yeah. It's like disrespectful to guys that don't have hair to see a guy wear a ball cap all the time, bro. I did. It's just not my thing, man. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it is. Whatever, bro. Disrespectful. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. You know, back in the day, bald heads were prized and were, yes. I love that you could always back up. Yes. You could shave their heads in different cultures. You never brought this up when I was, but I was bald. No.

27:21I think that was because of syphilis, bro. He's great. He starts going bald. He starts fighting. But he starts fighting. Yeah. He comes out with the size of support. Why this makes him a superior man. Yeah. See that? Yeah. That was syphilis and they got wigs. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, no, there's, is that how the, is that how the wig thing started? Yeah. Yeah. Like, it was powdered wigs. Like, yeah. Like, you know, it's syphilis, yeah. I didn't know that. Like, I know in Japanese culture men would shave the top. I know that for a long time, not, not recent, but a while ago, if you were gray, or especially bald, it was considered like wisdom, you know, you were considered more wise. That's gray. Yeah. I don't know about bald. No, really. It was, it was, it was really long. No, not that. Yeah. Whatever, dude. Mustache is good. Mustache is good. Are you searching for us, Doug? Yeah. So in Egypt, apparently, it was a big thing, bald heads. Yeah, there you go. That's a long time ago, though. Okay. Things of huge. You old Brenner, whatever, dude. Well, no, fact check. Just a simplest thing.

28:22I'm going to hit that. Oh, yeah. No, I'm on point. Across various culture shabies, what is the simple racist history of hair loss? Huh? Races. Races, the hidden racist history of hair loss. Races. It's a stupid. Races. So right there, in some, what's that symbol of wisdom? Historically, in some context, baldness was associated with maturity wisdom and nurturing, and it was treated with neutrality and art rather than as a flaw. Yeah, just like a powdered wigs and syphilis. Well, I feel like the wisdom part is that because it's just like, if you, like, for example, Doug with his, all his hair and his good looks, surpasses a very young man still. Yeah. When you're bald, there's no passing as a young man. I'm, as soon as I became, like, fully bald, I'd never got a card to get. Really? Yeah, never. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Once that happened, it was just like, it's not that, like, athletic, you know? Yeah. There's no, like, people pull off. Maybe he's 17. You know, he's like, he's for sure of age. We can see the alcohols. Yeah. Yeah, silly. Like powdered wigs were heavily associated with the syphilis epidemic that plagued Europe,

29:24starting to eat anything. Thank you. Wow. Popular, fashionable and necessary way to conceal the symptoms of the disease. Yeah. Which included patching your horse. So this is like the big white ones that, like, the judges, powdered wigs. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they're called powdered wigs. They were powdered too. Yeah. They would have a wig. And I don't know if it was human hair or horse hair. I think it was horse hair. And they would powder them with white powder to make them white. Mm-hmm. So they're called powdered wigs. Oh, so those aren't, those would be colored normally. Because horse hair. They would use horse hair. No kidding. Yeah. I didn't know that. And they'd be braided or whatever. Have you ever seen pictures of, like, parliament, English parliament, and they'll wear them? I mean, I feel like I've seen that. But I didn't know that I didn't realize they were powdered. It's, yeah. I had no idea. I had no idea. Really weird that men were into that. You know, it's weird though. You had syphilis. You were just screwed, huh? Yeah. How did it go away back then? You didn't? I don't think it went away. Wow. Like, suffered through it until it, like, took you out. What did I say to you? Yeah. So the wigs were made out of human hair, horse hair, and goat hair. Depending on how rich you were. So I suppose. Yeah.

30:24Goat hair was, like, cheap horse hair. That's probably nice. Yeah, yeah. Horse hair. Wow. I don't know. And then they, and then they put powder on chest hair. It doesn't look like you had powder all of it. It looks like they're white, yeah. Yeah. I guess that's a good point. Yeah, I guess. You want to know it's a weird trend that they did in Japan. I think it's Japan. The women would black in their teeth. Did you guys know? Oh, yeah. That's true. Why would you do that? Would you like charcoal or what? I don't know what they would use. But because you'll still see old paintings. Because they used charcoal to brush your teeth back then. No, no, no, no. This was like, it would stain their teeth black. And this is like, wealthy women would do this. That is weird. Yes. I just picture it. I'm like, that will look dysfunctional. Yeah, no. And you can see old Japanese paintings with these, what, what, what was the theory on? I don't know exactly. Other than the signal wealth. It was a Jack. Okay. So here we go. It was called, how do you say that, Doug? Oh, agudo. Guru. Oh, agudo. It was a Japanese cosmetic custom. Primarily practiced from the Hian.

31:25It's a long time. It was practiced for a long time. So from 794 to 8, to wow, 1868 periods, were women and some men died their teeth black using a solution of iron fillings and vinegar. It signified beauty, maturity, marital status, and social status, also acting as a dental sealant to prevent tooth decay. Wow. Huh. Isn't it? Look at that. And you'll see pictures of or paintings. I have never heard of that. Black teeth, though. Yeah. That doesn't look good. Yeah, see, look. See right there. Wow. So you don't have teeth. Yeah. Dude, we've been, people are weird, dude. So blades are grasped up your blood. It's not that big of a... Apparently, it's, you know, par for the course. Yeah. That's kind of, that's fascinating. I don't know. Where did you come from? Where did you come from? I ran it a long time ago. Japanese culture to me has always been very interesting. That's what Doug and I have talked about this before. Did you know that one, Doug? I'd heard it before. Oh, you say you did. Okay. So Doug and I have talked about this before, because when we started maps, which we still haven't done, we said there was a number. We said, once we hit this number, we're going to go to... We never did. We never went to Japan.

32:25But I've always wanted to... I'm sure you passed that number. Wait, Pat. Oh, yeah, a long time ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. We passed it... Of course. No, no. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, but... I'm still waiting. No. I want to... Japan has always been an interesting culture to me, because I did judo. I find it fascinating. I love the culture. I love how polite. Yeah. I want to watch a Suma match. I love the... I think the food is interesting. I always want to go to Suma match. I want to go to judo. You know, I tried to... You know, the Suma match when they come over here is really cool. I know. I know it's obviously not there or what about that. But it's... That was like really cool. Yeah. Suma restaurants over there are like... Maybe the Suma match over here. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's fun. Maybe the celebrities, huh? They're major celebrities over there, and I think they have like a big celebration. We turn 40 if I'm not mistaken. It's like a huge birthday. It's like crazy to watch the amount of food they can consume in one city. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Where'd you see that? I've seen videos. Yeah. That's awesome. Thanks a lot.

33:25What does it say about us every time we do this all the time? You know that? You and Doug started. I mean, it's your fault. What? Well, there's been a lot of milestones that we said we were going to do a thing. Oh, we just bypassed it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we've ever followed through. I don't think I've written any of these things. I think some of them are good to skip. Yeah. Well, yeah. There's been a lot of other ones besides that, like if traveling somewhere or by this thing, you're doing, like we've said a lot of milestones. And we've, I don't think we've done any of them. None of them. None of them. So what does that say? We're busy. I think we're just, yeah. I don't know. We just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. A trip to Japan would take, we'd have to go for at least two weeks. That's why. I think 10 days you can do a lot. 10 days, yeah. Have you done, have you done that? Have you done Singapore? I have. You've done Singapore. Long, long time ago. You know, there's one of us in here that would stop the Japanese trip because it takes too long away from the business.

34:26Pretty sure everybody else would be okay with that. I think we didn't work 10 days out. Yeah. There's one. There's one of us. Yeah. One of us has a problem. Every time I take a day off, it's going to smell. Hey, speaking of eating a lot, dude, I had to go up a size and view our pants. Oh, bro. Are you at the double exels? No, the pants, pants. So I wear the double exels. Not these. Not these. Which ones are the ones that look like slacks? Is that one? Yeah. Meta. Love Meta. I usually wear 34. And it fits my waist, but my waist is making fun of me because I'm too tight around my legs. Yeah. So I went and got 36s. So we'll see. Yeah. But the legs are a little tight. Yeah. There's the same size as you before that. I'm sure. Get smaller. So that cardio is really coming in. Yes. How's this cardio week going to do? It's only, hey, I just started it. Let's give it some time. This is this week again, right? Yeah. So last week, so I'll just beat straight up. So this is just, it's obviously a struggle. It's a small step forward for me. But there's, you know, on the cardio weeks, I'll still touch the weights a tiny bit because

35:29you haven't done just the tiny bit. Just the tiny bit. It's just the tiny bit. Just a cut. Just the tiny bit. Let's shame him way more. Oh, no, no, no. Listen. You got like ankle weights. No. I'll do like a couple sets. Do you? Are you hilarious? I know. Okay. It sucks. But anyway, I'm just cardio. Just cardio. And then the other week is just a string training. It's actually making the string training weeks really enjoyable because I miss it. And I don't not like walking on the treadmill. I love listening to books. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really enjoy listening to books. Well, the part to me that's interesting to me is that you allow yourself to still do this little thing where it's just like, why not just rip the bandaid all the way off? I'm not. I mean, wouldn't that, wouldn't that be the part that makes me so logical? I know, I know. But I mean, like, wouldn't that be what you would at least coach someone to do? No, no, no, no. I know you. I'll just keep. But I mean, like, uh, so how do you do this? So when I, I set goals with a nutrition exercise goals without like, so in my, in my head,

36:33and I'm just curious how you frame it for yourself. Like, it's not a successful week in a week until I've done that. Until I've proven I can just do cardio, no way, nothing like that. Do you say that to yourself? Or are you more like, like, this is, I'm easing my way into this training. That's a good job. And like, so is this like a, what's the self-talk through that process? I want, I want to be able to do it in a way, I'm not, listen, here's, I'm trying, I'm, I'm taking small steps because I think if I take two big, which is actually still a big step for me. Okay. So obviously just doing a few sets, uh, you know, a few times a week has it been scaling down the way down because on the weeks I do cardio, I'll do maybe a, for the whole week, a grand total of six sets. That's not even one workout for me, no, that's like a quarter of a workout normally. So it's still a big scale down and it's early, I'm early in it. Okay. So I'm just taking it one little step at a time because, um, I think, I know this, I know this about myself. If I go too far, I'll, I'll revert back and bounce back.

37:35So, I mean, so again, so is that like the, the goal? Like, okay, I'm, I'm still progressing next week, maybe I'll try, try even less sets or no sets. Like, are you saying that to yourself? Yeah. What I'm, what I'm doing is I'm actually, uh, uh, really starting to enjoy the weeks that I don't lift that much and just listen to a book. And so I think the more I do that, the more I enjoy it, then the less I should be able to do. That's what I think. But we'll see, dude, we'll see. It's a son of a gun, man, it's a, it's a, everybody has their thing. This is mine. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it's really making me, I'll tell you what, dude, it makes me so empathetic to when we have callers who have challenges around nutrition and workouts. It's like, man, I get it, dude, it's, it's a weird, strange, everybody has their thing. Some people, it's, you know, things that are like real obvious alcohol drugs, whatever, uh, you know, fitness is a good thing. So it could be even harder to tackle because it's supposed to be a good thing, right? Yeah. It's like a work addiction. Work is a good thing.

38:35What do you mean I should? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I totally get it. So when I talk to people, I'm like, all right. And I've been coaching people like this for a long time, but we'll take one little step at a time because you push too hard, either yourself or someone else, you just go in the office. Now, do you, uh, do you consider this, um, connected also with the nutrition piece? Are you, are you handling those separately or are you trying to handle those at the same time? Like, oh, you know, diet has never been a huge, big thing. I'm not, I'm not, so I'm not stuffing myself. So I'm like trying to eat a ton of food. I just have a high appetite. So that's not an issue. That's not going to be a problem for me. It's the workout. The, the big thing is the workout. It's the lifting, you know, I got to go lift, I got to get a pump. Okay. So you're not trying to like, you know what, I need to really also probably cut back on some calories too. No, I mean, not really, that's not really a big thing for me. It's, it's the workouts for sure. I could change the diet all day long. You know, it'll happen if I change the diet. I'll just try to get shredded. Well, I mean, I almost feel like if you don't, you're, you just can keep, because this

39:38break, I don't think it's going to revert in any less muscle at all. I think you're going to just get more muscle. If you keep, you're eating the way it's eating, you're eating right now, and you skill back up. Well, here's a deal. If I do this to try to get smaller, it's not going to work. I have to, I have to do this to, to break the cycle and enjoy it. And then the side effect will probably be less muscle. But if I'm trying to force this result, I could, that's where I, that's where I don't agree. Well, it's like somebody, I think you're going to build more muscle. I mean, okay, so it's like somebody who's like, I really want to, you know, I really want to get in shape. And what do we, you know, I'm really concerned about the way I look. And we just say, look, just, just try to chase performance and then let's see how you look. So if I just go and, and try to kind of break the cycle, break the addiction a little bit, break the connection, then however I look is however I look. But if I'm like, I'm going to make myself lose muscle, you know, easily I could twist that into getting shredded. And it becomes a like, I'm going to get down to 4% body fat type of thing.

40:38Yeah. So, and I know myself. Yeah, it's interesting. I know. That's interesting. Well, we have a, today's a big day too. I get, I get Corinne's Dexter scan since we started. Oh. Yeah. So I'm really interested. What's your, what do you think? You know, her calories, she's increased them quite a bit. Oh, yeah, a lot. So this is what's, this is what, well, I wish that I was out there with her right now because I'd want to communicate her and social get to listen to this afterwards no matter what is, no matter what the results are, I'm already happy with where we're at. So I'm, I'm praying that they come back and they don't alarm her in any way, right? Because no matter what, I knew I wanted to go here. And cause, and last week was a tough week heading into this week and, you know, one of the things that we, you know, we saw a new number on the scale again that we've never seen. And one of the things that I let her know, I said, hey, just so you know, you know, we're heading to Dexter.

41:39I actually had already, before when we first started this, I had a number of my head. I wanted to push you all the way up to, and you're still under that. And so, and she was like, oh, wow, really? And I'm like, yeah, I said, so you're doing great, like you're, she's inspiring me, dude. Yeah, she's, she's very courageous. Yeah, I've been so, you know, impressed with all the things that she's juggling right now too. We have a, she does a lot for the business and she's got a lot of stuff going on. And, you know, moving all the way across the country to be over here and then to also be doing this is like, she's very strong, very, very strong and tough. And we have not, I anticipated a lot more hard conversations that we would have to have and so kind of setbacks and like, okay, like, let's get back on the horse type of, yeah. She's been like, whatever I tell her, she's, and I've really, and I've continued like, just keep challenging her, and I keep waiting for her to like have that kind of like, okay, it's okay. We'll go, but she's been. She looks so healthy too. She looks so good.

42:40Very fit, very healthy. She looks so good right now. Yeah. And everybody keeps coming up and telling me, I'm like, you should tell her that because I don't know if you're telling her that because I think so too. She does need to hear that. I'm trying not to say anything about her appearance because I know other people aren't. I don't want to add more focus on, you know, how she looks. Yeah. But I see that she's strong. That's it. You know, it's, and she's inspiring me. I'm communicating to her because really, she was one of the, you know, there's a lot of things that have inspired me to see her do that. It's like, okay, I gotta tackle this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm, so I'm curious. So my, my, my guess is, I mean, I, you know, I hope we put on a solid four, maybe five pounds of muscle, you know, it would be really, it would be really nice. How long? It's been, what would you, what would you say to my first, I mean, I'll know when I see the dates, but I don't know. So 45 days, um, it sounds about right, it sounds about right, it sounds we're around here. That'd be great. Yeah. I think, uh, I think so. I mean, you got to know right away that there's a, I mean, you jumped the calories. We've jumped, uh, there's a lot of water going on right now, right?

43:43So with, with this actual scale, um, but yeah, I, I think, I think we could have put four pounds of muscle on, I mean, she's his PR after PR after PR. Yeah. So, so, and, and, you know, and so this is good to talk about because, you know, what if it didn't come back that, what if it doesn't come back, we've only put one pound of muscle on or something. She still has to go. Right. Exactly. And we talk about this on the show a lot too, because it comes in with these weird waves. Like sometimes, uh, it's, then, then all of a sudden, two weeks ago by and she'll put on four or five pounds, it's not like you add like this perfect, there's this perfect mathematically equation of like being a calorie surplus, quarter pound every three days or whatever. Yeah. But we know we're doing the right things because she's hitting PR. She's strong in her workouts. She's like, muscle bellies are getting filled out like all is good, but I hope for the sake, uh, for the, the, the psychological part as she's going and building and doing this, that she gets to see great results. So she get her hormones tested. I would be surprised, uh, if her hormones didn't just get more optimized from feeding

44:48herself. You know what? I'll ask her the last time she did blood work. We didn't do blood work together. Yeah. So, but that kind of wish I, uh, his hormones are so strongly affected by, uh, if you're constantly trying to eat minimal or, you know, in a deficit, that'll make your hormones not look well, even without seeing the blood work, I think that's a testament to why we're hitting PRs and everything right there. For sure. You know what I'm saying? That's part of it. Yeah. So part of it is like, you're going to build a bunch of, you get really strong and have your hormone profile. We're right. That's always is going to get back to circling back like what could happen is we don't see as much muscle as I would have liked to, which would mean that the scale is going to read higher body fat percentage and things like that that would, would normally spend somebody out. And why I'm saying is like, that still wouldn't even spend me out as a coach. It's that these things are starting to organize and give better. And the, the, even more positive results could end up piling on down the road, which just highlights again, how this happens to people sometimes where they can get really discourage

45:51is like, you know, you're doing the work, you're putting it in, your, your body's just starting to get healthy. And then you go test again to see where you're at and then you don't see the results that you want. You're like, Oh, F this, it's not working. It's like, no, you were just starting to really. And so I, and this is really common with, especially my, my female clients that I've trained before is like, you know, we first have to really feed that body and, and get healthy. And then it'll start doing the things you want, i.e. burning body fat, building muscle all the way. Yeah, it gets, it becomes easier. So, uh, you know, don't bail just because your first test isn't amazing or whatever like that. But I, I, I feel pretty good. I think we're going to, I mean, from what I, when I see from way she looks and the, her, what I've seen her do PR wise, she's doing it right now with that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So we'll find out. Yeah, literally. Oh, cool. Yeah, we'll know. We should do a story about it. Yeah. And I'm sure she'll talk about it, but, uh, I'm, I'm excited to see what some kind of progress. Speaking of hard work, Justin, I know you did something this week.

46:53Yeah. So what was that picture? You missed the whole. Oh, yeah. Well, I, so I'm trying to list my house and, um, there's some things that I just, uh, was coerced into, uh, doing. So that way too, we could kind of maximize the potential and I could like, you know, get more profit out of this and, and do some of the work myself, uh, what do you do? So, so, so you know, whenever you get your septic inspected, you need to dig it out. Oh. Oh. And so you, okay. So, yeah. I'm the educate here. Okay. That's where the poop goes. Yeah. The poop goes in the tanks. Okay. Um, so there's lids and then a lot of like mine had like one was like six foot down the other was like four foot. And the thing is you base this off of a plan, which is like drawn up. It was like hand drawn, you can go to like city records, all this kind of stuff and we're trying to find like better plans for this and like there's literally just like a hand

47:57drawn, like here's a box, like arbitrary box here. There's no like, um, measurements to go off of based off of like where the house is in proximity to the drainage to this. So you're like a treasure hunt. It's like a treasure hunt. Yeah. It's exactly what you got. Did you flip that in your head? Like that's a big. I didn't even think about that. I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was. I was not. Like you have a crappy map. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. X marks the spot. I bet he wishes that someone would have framed it that way. So let's have some fun with this. And I'm like, my whole thing for even got started. I'm like, these, these, these guys like obviously they're deferring because they charge like premiums to come dick. And I was like, that's absurd. How much money they're trying to charge to just dig this out. I'm like, fine. You know, fine. We'll do it. Uh, and now I know why they charge like premiums like because it's, you, you don't know. Like, and I'm like, they have to have some kind of like hack or whatever.

48:57I'm trying to like ask around. Nobody's helped me out some week. The first day we're just digging. You know, we're like, okay, based off of this. I'm like trying to. You just start digging. And then I look. I'm like, a smart contractor would probably have like written like on the house somewhere. Like, you know, it directionally like this distance away like or, you know, I'm like, so I was looking on, you know, the post that was like holding up our, our deck. And I'm like, I saw some numbers on there. I'm like, oh, maybe this is it you guys. It's like, we're going off of this theory. And it let us know where you know, absolutely nowhere. And like, I'll show you picks, but like we literally started in one place. I had to go all the way over here, combined both of it went deeper. Like I have, there's layers. Um, I hit all kinds of different typing. Just shovels. Oh my god. Did our group thread. Have you see our group? I don't have the picture. So we don't. So here's the thing. Like this was all low tech. Like everything. Because I can't fit heavy machinery in my backyard.

49:57There's like no real like access point. Like I would love to have like little cats. You know, I could rent it and, you know, dug it out and had fun with it. Uh, but no. So I was doing that. I've literally felt like chain gain. And we were like, we were digging. I had like a little like headline pond. And we were digging till it was like eight o'clock at night the first day. And I was like, just completely beat. Uh, and it's weird, dude. Like I have this weird, whenever my body gets like overworked, I get I switches into this like adrenaline response. And so I woke up just like energized crazy. Get back after it. We're digging again. And we have to then now we have to get rid of these like huge redwood stumps. And so I'm like, well, I have a guy. I know that was like a friend of mine. He's, uh, he actually works at the wood shop. He teaches wood shop at the local high school. And also it used to be a lumberjack. And I'm like, well, this guy can help me out. Yeah. And so it, you know, cost a bunch of thousands of dollars to get rid of all this stuff.

50:59And he's like, oh, dude, just give me a couple hundred bucks. I'm like, dude, rad. Come on. He comes down. He has this huge, um, chain saw that was like for me to you like like blade wise. And I'm helping him kind of like move these huge rounds and lift it. And we're like up substantial height, you know, like 10, 12 feet up. And we're just, we're sawing these like like hundreds of pounds rounds. Wow. And I'm trying to chuck it. Um, so it doesn't roll all the way down the hill. And I go into my, my neighbors like house. Yeah. So we're trying to stabilize it. And in anyways, like it was just, it was madness. It was crazy like the work we were doing. And like I ended up like losing a control of one of them. And it like went over the side and actually smashed my fence. I like broke the fence. So I got to fix the fence. Um, and so we're, we, anyway, he left. He had to go and so I had to get rid of these rounds. So the only thing I have was like, I had a mall like an axe mall.

52:02I don't have like a working chainsaw. I borrowed from my dad and I'm trying to like get through it. And it, he gives me one that's just like totally shot. And I'm like, trying to look how to fix it. I'm like, the kids are like really involved digging and chopping. And like moving and like hauling. And so it was the benefit of all of this stuff. And it just, I could go on and on. But it was like, it was just mad, crazy, hard, grueling work. I haven't done that in like, I can't tell you how long it's been. And it just reminds you like, oh my god. This is like where I started. And then I just knew like, I can't like sustain this. Like this is unsustainable. You know, and the kids have never done anything that hard. So they were like, yeah. Like they're getting like amped about taking their shirts off. They're like, you know, hitting as hard as it can get nowhere. You know. He's dead. Look what I did. Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Every now and then get one. And actually, Ethan, he's got a little more mass.

53:02So he was like, you know, getting through whatever it was getting frustrated. Because he's, I'm like, dude, you're shredded. You don't have mass yet. You know, that's, it's going to be different. Trust me. But he was doing a great job digging it. And did you find it? So we found one lid. We didn't find the other one. So that's still, you know, up in the air. I have like four rounds left. We split like 12 rounds or so. Bro, can I just say what a good friend you are? Because you didn't ask Adam. I'm a dog to help you. I know better. I know better. That's like, oh, I got to go help Justin. But you didn't. Bro, what a nice guy. I mean, dude, the worst part is I go like a borrow things from people. And it's just been the same process. Like, I should just bought it. Like, I end up getting like faulty things. And then it like, the takes away from like daylight. Like daylight is the currency. Like, I needed more. I need one more day to really complete and finish. So we're going to have to delay the pictures. Because my backyard looks like a Warsaw.

54:04It's just sawdust. Like, you guys had it died. And I was like stabilizing. And my friend was cutting. And like, so because it's such a big sawdust. Like the amount of volume of sawdust was just cocky. My feet. I was like, it was insane, dude. I was so dirty. And just like, just. And I loved it. Did I this weird part of me? I just loved it. And you're sadistic, bro. Yeah. But now, you know, now I'm like, oh my god, I'm so exhausted. I would have. I would have. How much money did you save? Yeah. Take red. Yeah. It better be. It better be. It's in the 2030 range. Oh, you think 2030? I think so. No. Dude, come on. Okay. I saw the work. Okay. It's probably 10 for just the removal of these huge screens. Okay. That's fair. And then it's at least five to six for like the digging part. So yeah.

55:04Yeah, right. It's probably less than I was hoping. But worth it. For the lesson to give. Again, I'm reframing this. Now you have to have to reframe this. Like this is. I wanted them to, you know, I'm, I'm looking always looking for opportunity for that. Yeah, haven't you? 100%. Haven't two boys. Yeah. Even even I would probably consider some like this. Yeah. Just for that. Have two teenage boys. This is a good lesson. I don't want to do this. I could afford to go pay some of this, but I'm going to go do this because it's a, I think I could see my, I would do that. I would do that. Yeah. And I kind of did that as I was going because I was like very tempted to just like call some people. I was like, dude, we need some reinforcements. And then if I didn't have boy, or if I had to do that like right now, because my boys too little to do anything like that, I would call you guys. And I'd tell you, listen, this thing's going to cost me this much. I need you guys to help him over here because then I know Sal would just kind of check. It's so fast. It's so fast. How much? How much is it? I'd be like, hey, I love you. Yeah, exactly. I love you. Yeah, exactly. So that's how you were smart.

56:04You would have framed like that. You would be like, hey guys, trying to save about 10 grand. How much do you say bro? Yeah, yeah. And he really needs your help. You know, I never asked you to get that. Yeah. So then Sal would feel hella guilty. And he's like, hey bro, yeah, tell you what, you know what? I'll just, just tell me how much it is. I'm going to pay for it. 100%. Ah. That's the move. That is the move. That's the move. Oh my god. That's brutal, dude. I mean, you were sore. So sore. But then I got up and I sprung. That's so weird, dude. I can't even like explain it completely because it was just like, I have this bolt of energy. Even right now, I'm like very energetic. I wish I think it's all going to go away. This is where I wish you wore like aura rings. I think that because it'd be kind of cool to see, see what you burned. Yeah. I bet it's crazy. How hard you slept because of that. I mean, you felt it. I think that's why because I slept deep in heart. Deep in heart. And that's the other thing too. It's like, you know, I mean, like I do have two modes. You know, and like, I really like hard fucking work.

57:05Like I want to do something really hard. Otherwise, I'm like, yeah, like, you know, the maintenance stuff is like so unmotivated. I'm, you know, part, you know, I mean, I've been on this like sleep journey thing. Part of my theory on like the sleep routine, all the stuff like that. The why I think it's become, because it was, it never felt like it was that important to me before. You know, we've kind of gone back and forth. Is that just because we were young or something. I also think there's another layer to that. And Justin's touching on it right now that the amount that I used to physically exhaust my life. Even, even like a good hard workout today. Sure. Still nothing compared to what it was in my mid 20s that even like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. I would not like train hard. I was moving heavy stuff all day. Like you, even like, you just being in the sun. Yeah. Physically exhausted myself. On a more regular basis. And I think that has a lot to do. Because I've already connected already like, man, I got to do at least that 8,000 steps. And I need to get that good hard workout in to even think I'm going to get close to decent sleep.

58:06Yeah. If I don't do that. And so I think a lot has to be with like, like, that's part of why I'm not. And is, is tough to get it. I bet you if I did something like that with you, I would be just. You know, you know, it messes me up. Just a leap. Plains, planes. I'm on a plane. Even for an hour. Oh, I just feel like crap. Yeah. I don't know why. But what's the thing? Scott, when we talked to Scott, he said, I guess the oxygen concentration on planes is really low. And so he explained that. I don't know. I mean, I hope I'm still right now. Last night, I couldn't even get my orering off because of how much water I was holding. When I, when I fly, I definitely get up. And that's how I can tell is my orering. Did you try the compression stocks? Yeah. I got to ask you, you did, you were the first one out of us to do the appointment with Vita Bella. Oh, you did yours. Yeah. How'd it go? It went well. Yeah. I mean, I spoke to the medical professional.

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1:00:09testosterone. Whether you're a man or a woman, so your testosterone replacement or in clomaphine or B12, yes, shots. Yeah. And then if you prepay for the year, you save 10%, a 10%, and then they'll give you your blood. First lab panel for. Yeah. And even if you, if you don't do the prepay for the year, so you prepay, you save that money. Even if you just go to the monthly, their blood panels are only 89 bucks. That's it. Yeah. And if you have already done blood panels within the last six months, they can use those. Right. No, yeah. Super, super, super. That's great. Doug, are we going to get you on testosterone finally or you can keep sticking to it? Yeah. I mean, I don't see a reason to do it unless you convince. That's true. That's true. You don't, you're not curious about what 205 Doug looks like. Yeah. I'm curious for sure. I mean, I, I think I would love it, you know, but again, I'm also not wanting to interrupt my own production. He's got like, he's got like high TRT natural level. Now have you told yourself, um, if it went like, let's say in the next eight years, it were to dip down.

1:01:09Would you that? Yeah. Totally consider sure. So you can go down to half and you don't have high testosterone. I know. That's what I mean, though. Because you know, you've monitored now consistently for a long time, half would make it. If you went down half, he would feel like lower. He would feel it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, last blood test was at 1600 and my, and my, I can't remember my free of fries. Good to. My free was good too. Yeah. I was really working to get my free up. Yeah. Um, and so as of now, I do feel good. Uh, I mean, I'm not getting as jacked maybe as I potentially good if I was taking it. Are you just horny all the time with that much stuff from him? Do you really want to know? No. I can't imagine. I'm talking about that. Yo. That took a turn. Remember first birthday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice things about that. It's such a great love. His girlfriend. Yeah. Everyone said such nice things about that. He's a great man. He's a father. He gets to hurt. He's a great lover. Yeah. Okay.

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1:03:12Our first color is Charles from New Jersey. I'm glad to be on here. I really appreciate all you guys do. I know you guys hear that all the time, but there was kind of a screenshot of like, in 2022, I was like in the throws of active addiction and alcoholism and God came and Jesus came and saved me out of that. And ever since then, my life has just gone in the right direction. And I appreciate you guys having rock recovery on and stuff like that because it ties together like this faith fellowship type of vibe that you guys have, which I think separates you from any other podcast out there that speaks about fitness. So I really appreciate that. Thanks, man. Thank you for your time, man. Yeah, that's awesome. How can we help you, brother? Awesome. So right now, so I'm working out with, he's actually the pastor of my of my church. And we work out at my house in the mornings, I put a little gym set up. I have a squat rack.

1:04:12I have a it's all Olympic, like proper year, a dip bar. Anyway, so we're doing, you gave me strong last time I was on. So I really appreciate that. So we do strong in the wintertime to bulk. And then we do anabolic in the fall. And then we do aesthetic in the spring into the summer. Okay. So my question is, like, where do I go kind of fill in that gap between the three, like there's kind of looking at it like almost quarterly, like knock out run this program, run this program, run this program. Which one of chisquees in there now to kind of fulfill, like close the circle. Cemetery performance. It's a cemetery performance either one of those would be perfect, perfect additions. They would be very complimentary. What you have was strong, strong's got some, some decent functionality, but it is somewhat a sagittal plane focused. Maps anabolic very, sagittal plane, aesthetic, very bodybuilder focused.

1:05:17And so symmetry or performance would help fill the gaps. It would help with lateral stability, unilateral strength, it would really help bolster your joints. So if you if you want more of an athletic lean, you would go performance. If you want more still kind of that strength training bodybuilding, lean, then you would go symmetry. But either one of them would be a great addition. So you pick, I'll say, which one you want, bro. Thank you. Symmetry would be awesome. I really appreciate that. Yeah, I know the whole program has really given me a lot of like, in my life, it's given me the structure that I was lacking. I think the maps programs give that structure and that the videos and all those things. So you know, you guys do a great job and I actually appreciate all that you guys do. Yeah, Charles, I'm reading your question too here. It says, you gained 15 pounds of muscle using map strong.

1:06:18Tell me about that. Yeah, so yeah, so I went from a strong, I really bought, I was using a lot of whole foods, tons of protein, tons of carbs and protein calories. And then I went from, I was like on a bench, like I was benching like, I could do 225, like three times. And then after strong, I was knocking it out for like 10 or 12. That's great, dude. Wow. You know, yeah, it's like, I used to always do the bro workout. So like I go to the gym and they'd be like, let me guess, buys and chest. And now because of like, you know, the programs I have really like, well, we're on, it's well around in me, like in my fitness journey. So that's awesome. Yeah. So Symmetry sounds great. That's like a bro that that year of programming is such a beautiful mix of training. You're set. Yeah. Yeah. You get really good results with that combination. Yeah. For sure.

1:07:18Awesome. Well, I appreciate you guys having me on. Thank you so much for everything you guys do again. And I'll get, I'll look out for Symmetry and then I'll get working on that and I'll let you know how it goes. You got it, man. Yeah, Charles. Yeah. Appreciate you calling him brother. Thank you, dude. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Thank you. That's great. Especially, I mean, he's not a 20 year old kid who just started lifting, you know, probably been lifting most of his life and to, and by the way, when you, I mean, he said a little bit on his question, but when he has, he sends in an email. So people send an email and you can read, you know, as I'm reading his email, I mean, he's a recovering addict. Yeah. He had a really bad issues with alcohol and now here he is, like working out, sober, turned it all around. You know, he's got a strong faith, just incredible transformation. And I just want to, you know, give, you know, fitness is such a great vehicle. Yeah. For, yeah, it's so, it's such a great way to get to help someone move away from some,

1:08:20you know, some of those unhealthy addictions. You could always, you know, fitness wrong too, but as a vehicle for improving your mental health, for giving you discipline and structure or physical health, it's a core of everything. It's amazing. Yeah. Our next color is Rob from New Jersey. What's up, Rob? Hey, hey guys, how's it going? Good. How can we help you? Well, new location, I'm in Florida now, but anyway, thanks for taking the call and I appreciate I listen to you guys every week, more than once a week, actually, probably every other day. But I just wanted to, you know, you guys are the experts in this and I know a couple of you guys did some physique competition. So I'll give you a little background on myself and then what, you know, I'm looking for some advice on. Always worked out my whole life, except for like a three short year, three year span when my wife got pregnant. I decided to get pregnant with her about 20 or 23 years ago with my daughter. So during that time, it was the only time I was kind of a little out of shape, but then got back into it again. I got heavily into triathlons, Ironman distance.

1:09:23I did a bunch of Ironman, a bunch of half Ironman, about 40 marathons. I don't know how many there were, but I did all that kind of endurance sport activity until 2023. And at that time, I had a herniated disc. I went to get surgery and had some real major complications during surgery. It caused paralysis on my left leg, couldn't walk. I started to gain, you know, heavy recovery and a lot of rehab worked my ass off for that. And I was able to get most of the function back in my leg and just have like weakness now in like the support muscles of the leg, like the ankle area. So if I run and I'm on an uneven surface, I could fall over. So I decided to obviously stop doing triathlons and got into physique training for shows. And I also on the side, Brazilian jujitsu, I don't remember which one of you guys do, but I know one of you guys do. So I do that as well.

1:10:23I've been doing that for 20 years. I should be a black one by now, but with all my injuries, I stopped a couple of times on a brown belt. And so I do that. And I'm training for shows. I did about six shows. And this is where my issue is. I am very tight on my diet, very, very disciplined on my workouts. I don't miss a day, probably even I don't follow my own guidance to people because I do some personal training and coaching on the side myself. I never take any days off, but I take muscle parts off, muscle groups off. My diet's really tight for the shows. Last show, I went in with a really, really good package. I was 2.8% body fat. I did it on three in body machines. It was like 0.1 plus or minus. And I was 168 pounds. All season, I'm about 185. I have a coach, my coach, I had a coach in New Jersey when I was there. I'm trying to find a coach in Florida, which I think I found one.

1:11:25He wants me to get up to like 200 pounds and get to like 185 for my next show. But my issue is I can't get out away from second place. I'm 51 and I'm in the, so I'm in the 15-older group. I go down in the 40-older group too, so I do both. And I do like usually a novice or an open or something like that. The last show I was in, I had a pretty stacked 40-an-over group. It was like 15 guys in there. And I came in second. And then the 50-an-older, I came in second again. The shows I did before that, I'm like, like third, second, whatever, somewhere in that ballpark. My problem is I think I'm fit, I have the fitness that the show is requiring. But I don't have the size. And I'm struggling with putting size on. And I have enough awareness to know that I have a little dysmorphia when it comes down to getting a little belly fat when you're trying to put on size. But I just wanted to get your guys input on, you know, maybe I should change up my program.

1:12:25I guess every coach needs a coach, right? So maybe I should change my program. Maybe I need to do something a little different with my diet. And I just wanted to get your insight on that. I have a lot of thoughts. First of all, taking second is incredible, okay? So that's first and foremost amongst everything that you do, right? I mean, full-time work, kicking ass, jiu-jitsu, and you still have the ability to get up on stage and finish in the top five is impressive as shit. Second, you have to know by now if you've been doing this enough times, there's a lot of politics and shows too. So it's not always the best physique technically takes first place. A lot of times it's the guy who's being coached by the guy who sponsors the show and gives the most money to make sure that show keeps operating. So there's a lot of bullshit and politics in bodybuilding. As you probably know, if you don't know, there is. So if you're not part of the click, it's tough to take first place, no matter how great of a physique you present.

1:13:26So that all aside, because I do agree with your coach, what I tell all my competitors, shows are one of the off season. What you bring to the stage, it isn't where it wins the show. That's what reveals the hard work from the off season. And so I do kind of agree with it, whether the poundage that he's saying is exactly right. But you got to gain. We got to, if we're going to show up with a bigger, especially if the judges that's their feedback is your little smaller than the other guy and we need to put, so and that is all done in the off season is, can you put enough size on in the off season that when we get ready to cut for the show, we have the biggest version of you to reveal. It's not done and it's not your cut. It's not a lack of your diet. It's not a lack of your discipline to get down to two, two, three percent, which you obviously can do all that. It's, can you work through the mental part of putting on your, and you're going to have to carry a little bit of body fat to put on that kind of size like you, you staying lean and putting 20 pounds of muscle on is nearly impossible.

1:14:27So you're going to have to eat to get big and most likely not move as much as you move in order to kind of put that size on. And it's, that's where the show is one, the show is one in what you can do in the off season to get ready for the net, the next show or you kind of just keep kicking ass like you are too. You're my client, you and I are having a little bit of this back and forth conversation and I'm going Rob, like is it that important to win first, like if you want to really win first above all things, then then we start to shift your whole life around bodybuilding and it starts thinking that way, but it sounds like you're pretty goddamn impressive with everything that you, that you already kind of do and that was kind of my attitude on competing was like, I'm competitive as shit, like getting to the pro level was the big major accomplishment for me. I never placed above six place at the pro level and I never cared enough because I have a career and it was always about building that and I have other things that were important to me and I proved to myself that I could, I could show up with a better package every single show and I got a handful of trophies to show that and it's cool.

1:15:29But it's like, if I really wanted to make a career out of this and try and make it to Olympia or be first place as a pro, man, it's, it's a lot of politics. It's a lot of sacrificing everything else in your life and I don't know, sounds like your kicking ass pretty good, dude. So that's, that's kind of all my thoughts. So I'd like to hear what you think from here and that. No, I appreciate that. I mean, look, I, I have a full time job. This is definitely not my job. I'm an executive in a, in a mid-tech company. So I'm traveling all over the place and it's really, as you can imagine, I mean, you did show, see, you know what it's like prepping and being out on hotels like every week basically and eating, eating out and doing what you need to do. I'm waiting for food in front of customers, it's hysterical, but it actually makes for good conversation, too. But nevertheless, I, you know, my goal, because I'm a very, obviously, very competitive person, I've been in competitions my whole life, I'm looking to get first so I can get a pro card. And I'm not going to Olympia and I'm not looking to even probably go into a pro show.

1:16:29I just want to, you know, get a pro card and that's my goal, just like getting a black belt in Jiu Jitsu is the question that I have is, do you think there's a program that I should be doing training differently than I'm training now? I guess, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So like what, what, just hearing kind of your breakdown of who you are, like, and obviously if we were coaching, I would get even more to go, but I would probably have to scale back your amount of activity and volume and really feed you. So it looked more like a map, sandabolic type of protocol, less days in the gym, hitting it hard and heavy when we do trying to gain and build and more food. So I would, I would, I would push the calories and I'd have you on a program, like a map, sandabolic type of program, which I bet is way less volume and days in the gym than you. It's a three day week full body routine. And I bet you're more of a five to seven day a week type of guy who trains and probably hour out. Yeah. And that's going to seem counterintuitive because it's not a lack of you need to push

1:17:29more. You need to let your body grow. And in order to let your body grow, you probably got to pull back on the volume a little bit, focus on getting strong with maps and a ball, feed your body more food than it's ever been fed before. And that's, that, that is, that's the way we're going to get to the pro card. Rob, do you train naturally or are you, are you, are you a enhancer, you train naturally? No, I'm natural. I mean, that's the other problem I have. Yeah. I take, I take, well, I wouldn't say natural totally. I had very, very low testosterone levels when I was doing triathlon because I was a fanatic about eating fats. So I just ate a lot of carbs and protein. And then I didn't, I mean, 20 plus hours a week on a bike. And I think it kind of damaged my, my, my goods down there a little bit. And I had, when I went to go get my testosterone checked, it was 160. So, so I was on, I've been on TRT since I was 35 at regular levels. Like I think, I just got a test that I'm like, or 50, 480, something like that.

1:18:33So it's not like I'm pumping in 1200 on my, my, my test, but I go into these shows and these dudes are no question because I can't go into a natural show being on testosterone. These guys are definitely enhanced. Yeah. The reason why I ask you that Rob is gaining, because, you know, if you go from, you, you compete at 168 to come back at 182, that's a lot of lean body mass to gain, which is tough to do with, you know, TRT levels of testosterone and your age and all that stuff. Now I do agree with Adam, reducing the volume, increasing calories, that's, that's the protocol. Now here's the other thing though, you're, you probably have an incredible recovery ability and tolerance considering your background to be able to compete in as many Iron Man's and half marathon and, and half Iron Man's, for people who aren't aware, an Iron Man is a marathon plus, plus a lot of, a lot of cycling, a lot of swimming. So if, to be able to do that as often as you did, you probably have a really exceptional

1:19:34ability to recover. So the program that I think would do, that you would do well with would be Maps and Abolic Advanced. So it's higher than Maps and Abolic. We're in the gym about four days a week. It alternates high intensity, low volume with higher volume, lower intensity. And I think someone like you would probably respond well to, and it's probably, I can pretty much guarantee it's less volume than what you're currently doing. So it's definitely going to affect the volume. It's not as low as a traditional Maps and Abolic, which might actually be too low of volume for someone like you in, in bump the calories. And you'll know it's working because you're going to get stronger, but gaining 12 to 15 pounds of lean body mass at this stage, that's a big, that's a big, that's a big one. Well, I think we could put on five to six pounds of lean body mass by the time you hit stage. It's just going to take us some time. I'm happy. It's going to take us, what you don't want to do, and I don't know if you've already done this or not, but like I tell my competitors, like we don't, we don't pick a show yet. Like we go in the off season, let's go build, let's go, let's go folks, because this could take three months, could take six months, could take nine months, but let's agree

1:20:38that we're going to go build and put some size on you that you've never seen before. And then we're going, then we'll, then we'll nail down a show, what a mistake a lot of competitors do is they go, oh, this works in my calendar. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to train. I'm going to take that show August 16th. And then you start trying to put it all together now. It's like, no, let's go focus on your off season. Let's go build. And that could, you know, depending on how well you can get them calories up, how well you respond to maps and a ball of advance. That will dictate if I was coaching you on when we decide to take a show to get cut. What's your, what are your calories look like in the off season? So I'm supposed to be at 3,300 a day right now. And I'm barely getting in 2,500, yeah, no way. Just because my, I'm just like all over the day, but everything I eat is clean as a whistle like. I don't change what I eat from prep to show. You just eat from prep prep to off season, rather. I just eat more volume off season. Maybe I'm throwing like a couple of pretzels here or there, but I don't do anything like

1:21:38out of the ordinary. Maybe I'm a little bit tighter on the condiments to during prep, but overall, I'm just not getting enough calories in. And part of it is because you guys know how this is, man. You like, I get a little belly fat and I lose my mind, you know what I mean? And I'm trying to put on some, some mass at the same time. And then I go to the gym and I'm like, all right, well, maybe I'll do more 10 more minutes of stair mass just to make sure I don't put that belly fat on. In addition to my half hour that I did prior to my workout and cardio and then do my workout. And I do that every freaking day. So my bad illness in my head, but mind you, when I give the advice like you're giving to clients, I say the exact thing that you're saying. So why do you do you know, I mean, would you want to coach? I mean, it sounds like you have one over there. We virtual coach over here. If you do you think that would help having somebody who's kind of just staying on top of the diet and kind of drive steering it for you. I mean, yeah, I, yeah, what in mind, especially somebody that's been doing this kind of stuff

1:22:39before that knows how to deal with, you know, somebody that has a little bit of a mental struggle like me, you know, with this, you know, all right, we'll have somebody call you. But you know, maps end up all advanced, hit consistent calorie targets, you'll gain, you'll gain muscle on that. Yeah. For sure. But I mean, 2500 calories, guy like you, you're going to, you're just going to maintain. The hard parts are going to be the mental part, Rob. I can tell already, you're a disciplined guy, you have, you have that work ethic and all that stuff like that. It's going to be letting go of the body fat percentage going up a little bit. You know, you have the tools to get it back anytime you want. So you're not going to get fat, okay? You're going to go, you're going to go up to 12, maybe 13, you know, percent body fat. That's not crazy. You can get right back down easily. But you, that will bow well with building. If you're too lean, it's really hard to put on just lean body mass like you're, yeah. So you, you got to let yourself soften up a little bit to put on some good size. And again, I don't know if I agreed exactly with the number of the guy through at you, but the show is one of the off season. Can you and I go and go put on, you know, 20 pounds on the scale, be okay with a couple

1:23:42percent body fat going up, but then look at each other and go like, oh, yeah, you're eating 3500 calories, you're strong. You see PRs in the gym, you're hitting like that's what I'm looking for before you and I go, let's get ready for a cut for, for the show. So okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I'll have someone call you and see if we can help you out through this process. But, and we'll also sit over at an analog advance for you, bro. That would be awesome. Thank you guys. You guys do great work. I appreciate it. Thank you. Enjoy listening. Thanks, Rob. Thank you, easy. So for people listening, because how many Iron Man? It's okay. It goes brother. He did five. He did five Iron Man's. I don't know. Have you guys ever trained Iron Man athlete? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He did five Iron Man's in 15, half insane. Iron Man's. Yeah. And the competition is, I had to remember, I had to look it up just to be sure. It's a 2.4 mile swim. Yeah. Plus a 112, 112 mile bike ride. Right. And then you do run a marathon. Yeah. And then you run a marathon. That's the competition. A lot of chafing. Yeah.

1:24:43So, uh, now in order to be able to do all that crazy training, consistency, diet. There's a level of genetics there. I think the guy probably recovers really, really well. Yeah. Which is why I had him do, uh, yeah, something with higher volume. But I can guarantee you right now the amount of volume that he's probably training is probably. Oh, I knew. I knew right away. I mean, this is, uh, this is, I mean, he's all, I mean, he's also runs a, uh, a fortune 50 company. Yeah. He's, uh, he's a killer in business. He's a killer on the Jiu-Jitsu mat. I mean, I, without even see, because I can't see him, right? I like, we can't see a picture of what he looks like. And so like that, I just know this dude is way over trained, way over does all of it. And that's going to be the hardest part for him. I mean, telling him to come down to a maps anabolic or even an analog advanced is going to feel like a quarter of the workouts that he does. And then telling him that he's at 2500 calories, you need to be more like 3500 plus calories. It's going to feel so extreme and different, but it's the only path. And again, repeat what I said to him.

1:25:43It shows are one of the offseason. It is not the prep. It is not the getting ready for stage like everybody thinks. It's what you build and what you do in the offseason. All the getting the prep is revealing the work. You don't build no muscle in prep. You literally just, you carve away the body fat and you show what you did in the offseason. And if you always keep your body fat percentage low and you stay training this high of volume and your calories that low, you aren't building anything. You're maintaining a strong fit ripped physique. So when you get into prep, you just get a little bit leaner and you present the same physique. Just keep showing up the same way. Yeah. Our next caller is Lucy from Virginia. Hi, Lucy. Hi. Thank you guys so much for taking my call. I really appreciate it. How can we help you? I think I have a programming question. Four months ago, November 2025, I had my third total hip replacement surgery.

1:26:44For reasons that are now very obvious to me, I was overdoing it with my yoga. And in May of 2025, almost dislocated and ultimately ended up cracking my hip replacement during yoga class. Because the surgery was a repair of an existing replacement, they had to use posterior entry rather than anterior, which my first two were anterior. And with a posterior approach, my surgeon has me on a one year limitation of movement, which would include no more than a 90 degree hip. Trunk to leg angle, no crossing my legs and no picking up anything over 20 pounds. So starting in December, I ran your MAPS fan program all the way through and loved it. I'm now running MAPS suspension and also love that. Those are both perfect because I don't have to pick up anything over 20 pounds, but I'm still getting great resistance. I'm actually making progress. All right.

1:27:44Great job. I'm sore from yesterday. But my next, my question is, what's next? I have until November, so about nine months of these limitations. Should I just cycle back and forth in between these two programs? Is there another program or style of programming that you would recommend like isometrics or maybe run a traditional program like anabolic with light weights? For context, I will be 50 years old later this year. Five foot three, 120 pounds and a former professional valerina runner and competitive yoga athlete, all of which led to the three total hip replacements. I promise I'm now off of all of that because I can't do it anymore physically or mentally, really. As you know, sometimes God whispers and sometimes she shouts. This was as loud of a shout as I possibly could have heard without doing any detrimental harm. So I'm so thankful I was finally forced to listen to any help would be great.

1:28:46You can shout at me now. No shouting. I thought you were in your 20s. Yeah, you're five feet. We're all touching out on that. So so Lucy, so here's what's going to happen. If you do everything right, you're going to reach a point where you feel like you could start doing going way beyond and you're going to have to fight that because of the hip replacement. Keep your range of motion within the realms of what they recommend and you can strengthen within there. And don't push outside of that. You can totally strengthen within there. I think map starters. And isometrics are also great. Our program map symmetry has two weeks of isometrics. Two weeks of isometrics, I think would be beneficial even right now. But starter would be the next program that you can totally do. You can also. Sorry, yes. The starter has like reps detention. So like really take advantage of that with the timing and the tempo and then emphasize those moments where you're squeezing at the top of the wrap. So you do you can infuse a bit of more isometric focus in that program because I know the weights are going to be a little lighter than you know because we got to keep it under control.

1:29:56That's the direction I was going to go actually with your original is should I just rotate those two you can start to create isometrics in those two in the bands and the suspension trainer too. So like nothing stops you from like hold like let's say you're doing a suspension push up holding at the bottom for two or three seconds or holding just with your elbow slightly bent for like. So you can kind of create to create like a new stimulus because you've already ran through it. The next time you run through it, you can do things like that and that'll help build strength also. So run it the way it's laid out, but then add it isometric component to each set, which would be a great way to kind of manipulate that program a little bit. So that's also an option. So you can play with the suspension and the bands also I think starter is a great and like south said that's the biggest key is going to be because at one point you'll be cleared of like hey you're good to go. You're going to be tempted to want to do too much so long as you stay in that range of motion and I've had clients were that we we we don't squat past 90 degrees, but we've gotten really strong. Yeah. Within that 90 degrees and and both squats are great for a lot of great lower body muscle and feel great.

1:31:00And so yeah, no, you're you're right. Yeah, when you look at the when you look at hip replacement artificial hip artificial joints, they're limited in the range of motion. So it's different than your what your natural hip would be. And so you probably have really good extensibility through your yoga ballet. And so your tendency is going to be to challenge ranges of motion because that's what you know, but these joints are not made to do that. What happens with you challenge the range of motion is now it rests on the sort of official joint and they're just not made to be able to do that. And so regardless of how you feel stay within with when it comes to lower body stay within the range of motion and you'll do plenty great with that you're getting good strength. You'll feel good. You're not going to feel limited. But if you start to try to push the range of motion like you normally would that's when you run into it's about recruiting. So just think about that slow and just recruit as much you don't muscle fiber and infuse that as much as possible. Do you have starter? I don't know send that to you. Yeah.

1:32:00Thank you so much. Yeah, I should say also I'm I'm I'm working with Dr. Brink. Awesome. Well, you're good. You're good. Like you said for that very reason because one year isn't some magical number I assume. So it's not like at one year. I'm all of a sudden now I'm able to squat to the floor. So I he's helping me kind of get the PT part discharged. I was discharged from PT and I just wasn't ready. Yeah. So I wanted to work with him and he's just great. I want everyone to work with him. He's the best. You're in the best. You are. I think you're working with him. I'm like just do we tell you. Yeah. Yeah, you go ahead and step out. Yeah. You know, no, no, no. He's the best. Not at all. No, I want all of you at my team. Yeah. You got all of us. I mean, that's for sure. He knows all the programs too. So if you tell him that the guys gave me starter and you use that with what he's doing with you. You're good. You're in the best hand. You can be in total. So I'm in fact, I'd love to hear back from you a while down. Let's check back in with us a few months down the road.

1:33:00I'd love to hear where you're at. I will. Thank you. Um, for the isometrics, I seem to remember you guys talking about that they stop working after like two or three weeks. Is that? Is there a reason to do the two weeks and then come back to it? No, no, no. So when we talk about that, what we're talking about are the strength gains are really rapid in two weeks. But you continue to get results from isometrics, especially when you put them in a program that includes traditional repetitions. Yeah. So it's not like they're a waste of time. They're great. Okay. But when we look at it, it's definitely challenging for people to do them for a long period of time. Also for the most part. Yeah. But isometrics are wonderful. Yeah. We'll always be wonderful for you. Yeah. You can progressively get more strength, you know, by continuing it for sure. Okay. Terrific. Well, I'm everything right now is wonderful. So I'll do them. I'll do them for the next nine months. Good. As long as. Yeah. This is a very, I'm trying to rebuild physically and mentally from this injury. Yeah. So it's very, very, it's, yeah.

1:34:01So I'll use isometrics as long as they're productive. Great hands. Okay. Great. Yeah. You got it. All right. All right. I wish you opened with them with bring. He's better than we are. Yeah. He's a champion. Yeah. He's the best when it comes to this kind of stuff. You know, I've worked with people with hip replacements and you have to, you look at the actual product. Yeah. It's, it is limited. Yeah. That's the limitations. And so you can't push beyond what it's made for like you would with a normal joint. Yeah. Otherwise the, the, the product itself starts to become damaged and you start to get issues. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Hi, Sarah. Sarah. Hi, guys. I'm so pumped to be talking to you. This is crazy. I'm so inspired by everything you've been doing. Like it's so clear how much you want to help people. So you guys have actually inspired me to go through the Nazum certification and consider like a career change or a side gig and personal training down the line. So.

1:35:01So much for you to do. Yeah. Thank you. How can we help you? Okay. So my question. I'll just read it here. So I've been working out since I was 14 when I got my first gym membership. But a 24 hour fitness year in the Bay. I'm 43 now. I know that I'm a bit orthorexic and I definitely have an addiction to exercise. But I both look and feel great. I look better. I think now, and I'm more fit now than when I was in my 20s or 30s. And I just never have felt like I looked the way that I do before. And I also just really love training and movement outside running cycling, hiking, walking, you name it. But I definitely overdo it. So my question is, is this going to for sure bite me in the ass at some point? Or do you guys think that I continue as is as long as I'm feeling great? And I guess I should also mention that I've been using a variety of peptides for several years. Which I know helped me train better and recover better and faster.

1:36:02So I guess my hope is that the addition of these tools to my toolbox means I can do more and push a bit harder without the same repercussions. But I'm curious what you guys think and would love your thoughts. Let's peer a little into what the training in looks like. How much training volume are you tracking steps? What's it look like for a week? Yeah, I mean, it's basically all of my free time. I'm training or a lot of it is outdoors. But five days a week, I'm doing an hour to an hour and a half. The strength training is pretty intense. And then anywhere from three to five hours of just cycling or running or hiking. It's a lot. I mean, when I say it out loud, it actually sounds totally ridiculous. But I love it too. You know, I just love being outdoors. I just mentally, it helps my mental health a lot too. And I just feel like I have a lot of my best thoughts and ideas while I'm outside. So there's that. But there's also just a compulsion too.

1:37:02I mean, I love walking, hiking outside. That's awesome. So cycling and running can be okay. You can get intense though really quickly. So but hiking and walking outside for mental clarity, being outside. I'm all pro that. So doing that. Strength training five days a week could be okay. But if you say it's really intense in an hour and a half, that's that's a lot. Yeah, that's overkill way overdoing it. So by the way, you answer this question will help me determine if I can help with this. Why do you think there's some orthorexia or compulsion? Because I can't remember the last day. I didn't do like at least a few hours of activity. And if I don't get that in. Like I don't feel normal. Okay. And how do you feel about that? I mean, right now I'm going to point in my life where it's it's okay. Like I'm single right now.

1:38:03So I don't have a partner. I need to be giving time to I don't have kids. But like, what if that, you know, what if that happens soon or I switch jobs and I just literally can't do it. I think I'm going to just feel awful. And and it like that's that's not healthy, you know, to like not feel good or be freaked out on a day where I, you know, don't work out a lot. Like that's just that's not healthy. But I'm just a little bit more independent. Yeah. So you feel like it's controlling you. Yeah, a little bit. And I think for a long time, I really convinced myself, no, it's just that I love it. But I'm like, especially actually since I've been listening to you guys, I've kind of been realizing. This isn't just that I love it. There's a little bit more to it. Good for you. Well I. That's what people do. That's what people need to say. And look, I just, you know, forgive me for my brevity. they enjoy it. And I think you're getting a little bit of awareness that this thing is controlling you,

1:39:05but it doesn't sound like you're at the place where you can change it yet. Because you're also saying, I love it, I like it. It's like my favorite thing. I look great, I feel great. I feel great, but then you're like, it's controlling me. This may be an issue. So I mean, I could tell you from the outside, it definitely is an issue, and you're doing way too much. The question is, can you change it? Do you want to change it bad enough? Yeah, I like to, yeah. That's right. Because eventually, how you start this question is right. Eventually, you'll be forced to. It's going to bite you. Eventually, hormonal bone stuff, you'll, that, that starts. Life is going to happen. Yeah, yeah. And so the answer is, yes, eventually, your body will force you to. It's a question of, do you have the motivation to change it right now? Especially when you like the way you look, the like the way you feel, and you say you enjoy all those things. That's, to Salis Point, that's really tough to. It's, it really sucks to be forced to change it when something happens. That sucks, yeah. To change it ahead of time is hard, but is way better.

1:40:08Yes, better. Yeah, because what'll happen at some point is something's going to happen, and you can't do all that stuff, or something's going to happen physically or mentally, and then you're going to be like, oh my God, I have to re, yeah, come out of it. But it could be a number of different things, but at some point, this thing that's controlling you, that you're kind of like, oh, I think it's controlling me. At some point, it's, you're going to be forced to have to make a decision. And then that's the word, that's the hardest. That's hard when it's like in your face, where you're at now is actually an easier place to make those changes. So it really is up to, and you really have to talk about it in a way to yourself, that's honest, because what I hear, and I know I hear this because I talk this way, okay, because I know what you, I know what you feel like, okay, you are me, okay, in this regard. I know, I have for a lot of, yeah, yeah. As it's coming out of your mouth, you're trying to give yourself a escape. Like, ooh, it's this thing that's controlling, but I love it. Ooh, it might not be so good for me, but I can do it.

1:41:10Ooh, but I look good, and I feel good. And so it's like you're afraid to say to yourself, this is a problem, and it needs to get fixed, because if you say that, then you have to change it. So you're like, maybe not. So that's kind of where you're at with it right now. Well, are you at a place where you'd be open to even outsourcing it? In other words, piring a coach to tell you what you need to do, and then following it, just doing what to tell you? Yeah, I mean, here's another thing. So I haven't always been as fit and looked as good, and so being at a point where I finally feel like, I love my body now, and this was not always the case, you know, and so I've been through different iterations of my body. And so, you know, what I'd be willing to totally scale back on exercise, yes, if I was able to, like, mostly keep the body that I now have. You absolutely can, absolutely can, absolutely can. And you'll get, you're not, you're not, you're like, you're, that would actually be, so if I was coaching, that's the easiest part. You've built the physique you like, and you're like, Adam, I like the way I look. It's like, cool. Let me show you a way, easier way to maintain that look.

1:42:14And yeah, if anything, you'll improve. You will, it does not take five days, an hour and a half of training. Let me put you this way. You look as fit as you do, in spite of all the wrong stuff that you're doing. Right, right, right. And you're putting a lot of peptide bandages and stuff like that on it to keep the ball rolling. You'll actually look better. Yep. So if that's what you're afraid of, yeah, it's, don't worry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, yeah. I mean, that is what I'm afraid of for short, right? Because like, I've been 25 pounds heavier, and like, didn't get looks or compliments, and now I'm like, I'm at the gym, and I'm like, that crazy chick who's like, I'm a secret ass, but I get complimented. Yeah. You know, I get women complimenting me on my arms, which is awesome, and I used to hate my arms. So like, if I can keep all that and do way less, yeah, I'm definitely like at a theater. Sarah, yeah. Sarah, you're totally, you're totally self. Sarah, Sarah, listen to me. No, I don't do it for, I don't do it for pump. I get no class out of Ena. That way. Sarah, that's why where's that wife beater in the chair? No, that's not what I'm saying.

1:43:15Sarah, it was like a wife. So if you change the name of it recently, wife, please, yeah. Yeah. Which sounds just as bad. So, I'll read up anytime. Sarah, you're already a valuable person. Yeah. You're already worthwhile. Yeah. All that outside, whatever is, it's meaningless. Yeah. You're already worthwhile. You're already great, and you don't need all that. You really don't. In fact, it's keeping you trapped. But if you want, look, here's a deal. Okay, because we'll answer your question. Are you going to suddenly your body's going to change and negative? No, it's not going to happen. You'll get as great or better results with way less work. But I also don't want you to focus on that, because that's also going to steer you in the wrong direction. So, I mean, a coach would really be helpful, but you've got to be in a place to where you're OK with that, where you're going to let go, and be like, OK, there's really a problem on one address. If you're not there yet, then it wouldn't help you.

1:44:15Yeah. I think I'm in that contemplation stage, which I'm still. Yeah. But I feel like I'm getting closer to having a mindset of readiness. You know what you could do? Try this. This is what I'm doing right now. So, because I've been on and off with this forever, sometimes better, sometimes worse. So, I started doing where every other week, I don't do any. So, this is for me. This wouldn't look like it for you. For me, every other week, I do zero to no, almost no strength training. And I just do cardio, because that's the thing for me. It's crazy to say he doesn't do cardio. I just do walking. OK. So, maybe it looks like this for you. Instead of what you do every single day, maybe it's like, OK, on Wednesday and Friday, I'm cutting it way down. And then wait and then see what happens. And then slowly step ladder yourself towards doing less. Maybe it's one day. Maybe it could be like, all right, Friday's, instead of doing an hour and a half of strength training

1:45:17and all this cardio, maybe it's like, I'm going to do nothing or I'm going to just go for a hike or something like that and keep it light, because you could also turn that into, you know, crazy. And just step ladder yourself. For me, it's every other week, because that seems to be what I can do right now. How is your thought process and your mental health as you go through this? He sucks at it. So, I don't know why he sucks already. No, no, no, no. I just started to coach. You need a coach. I just started it. And so this is week two. So I'm just, I just got into it. But what helped me was on the week, I'm not strength training. I'm listening to books that I'm really interested in. So I look forward to that. So I walk on the treadmill and I listen to a book, because just doing nothing is too big of a bite for me. So I'm like, OK, so every other week, so maybe there's something else that you're really interested in that you really like to do, whether it's a book or you go, you know, it's just something that's not exercise. And then because not doing something is hard,

1:46:18but doing something else when we place of it is easier. So maybe it's Yen Yoga. Yen Yoga would be great for someone. The hardest part, Sarah, if I was coaching you, the hardest part is I'm going to tell you that I absolutely can keep the body or even better if you wanted. But I also simultaneously need you to let go of that at the same time. That's the hard part. So it's like, I can guarantee you, as the coach, I could say, hey, don't worry, I'll keep this body the way it is or maybe even improve it. But I also need you to just trust me and let it go while we do this. And so that letting go process, that's the hard part. And that's the part that you have to separate from. That's what this guy is still struggling with is completely letting go of that and going a total different direction. He's easy on himself in with the walking stuff. But so what my journey looked like years ago is like part of like getting into a whole different modality. Like let go of the jacked look, I look like I can go get that anytime I want. And you can too. You've look at you've already proven that you proven that you

1:47:20have the ability to go get that. So now try and train yourself. Can I let it go and doesn't mean be unhealthy and I'm saying get fat. I'm just saying let that focus go and focus something on something else for a while and know that you got that in your back pocket if you ever need to. That's the that's the growth part right here in your journey that you need to get through. And that on the other side of that is a healthier version of you, a fitter version of you and way less control and effort towards it. All right, Sarah, how's your social life with friendships and stuff? Or does all revolve around the gym? I am right now. Yeah, it's there's not much, but I just got back to the day after living abroad for a couple of years. And also like I went to Burning Man for 10 years. And so my previous life was like a bit of a partier and all my friends a bit party and I want nothing to do with that. So I think I've just kind of shifted that on all my energy into like health and fitness, but now I've overdone it. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that that's that's another that's another thing

1:48:23that could help is seek out kind of social community. Yeah, social community for me, it's my church. That's actually helped me quite a bit. And that's the other thing too. Because otherwise you have all this time on your hands. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to the gym because I like doing that. I know that I love this, I love to see you get coached. I know you say you're contemplating right now, but a good coach for a good. I'm getting closer. Okay. Yeah. Well, if you every, if you're like, okay, I'm ready to do that. You let us know we got some great coaches here. You're not far from us either, by the way. So you can, yeah, you could even do personal training here on occasion. Yeah, like once a week or once every other week and actually come into the studio and work with one of our trainers. Oh, that'd be awesome. I love that. Would you? You want somebody to call you? Awesome. Yeah, you know, why not? Yes. All right, let's do that. And we'll see you because we're here. We'll get you down here, sir. Awesome. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for your time and for everything. You did appreciate it. You got it. Thanks. Okay. My turn. She also works for the enhanced games. Did you see that?

1:49:23I did see that. She's like talent yard for the shot up for the market. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's good. I hope she comes down here. Which also makes it more difficult because you're working on your hands. It's kind of a skewed environment. I mean, she's. I don't listen. If I, if I didn't have kids and a wife and all that stuff, I mean, that, I know exactly. That's what I would do all the time. Yeah. Because you got to find other things that you can replace it with. We're talking about you still already do. I don't go. I'm not three hours. You know, well, no. Okay. I'm saying if I had, yeah, but you'd never miss. Yeah, but it's, my point is I'd be three hours a day. Yeah. You'd be even worse. Yeah. Exactly. Even more crazy. That's right. Yeah. I mean, still at that place where this is where it's hard when, again, and I think this is the exact same challenge that you feel that is you're healthy, you're fit, you look good. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's really tough to tell somebody to break that when they have all these, these positive things that they have felt from it and their bodies not screaming at them. That's right.

1:50:23And telling them they can't do that. But there's also other side of this. Sometimes too, it's not just dysfunction on that side. You can become dysfunctional in your social and your. That's why I asked her. Yeah. Because she probably doesn't have like this. You can't work out that much about her. I mean, and if you don't have that and you feel kind of lonely. And what happens is that person is a, that type of person, lots of friends and being close to like this, you either don't or you find another person with the same issue. Of course. And then you both obsess over together. That's why we see so many people in the fitness space that are both bikini competitor and bodybuilder, you know, together because they, they share this addiction together because they can't date anybody else as at all balanced because it doesn't work. So they have, and no idea and they tell themselves they're so in love and they have all this in common. And when it's like, yeah, you have this unhealthy relationship with exercise that's in common. And so got a break free of that or you'll have a really hard time connecting to somebody who doesn't want to take three hours of walk a day and hour and a half training sessions

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