002 Smart Mosquito

0:00This is Jerry Howell. Found them listening to O7-4. I was here at the beginning. I know things. You're listening to Still Talking with Rob and Josh. Rob Spuak. Josh Sucker. Still talking. That almost sounded threatening. I mean, yeah, we're here. We're still talking. Yeah, but I mean, it's like Jerry Howell's going to come and say, hey, I know things. You better keep it together or talk about topics I like because I know things. Well, good news. Anything that I could be blackmailed for has already been revealed on the internet years ago. So I think Jerry is in defense of us. He's saying, listen, oh, okay. Because I know things. See, it's in support of us. You're being very optimistic and I just felt attacked. I don't suppose that's a good idea. No, no, no. Welcome to a Thursday edition of Still Talking. I'm Rob Spuak.

1:04I'm Josh Sucker. And you are still in the Outer Banks. I'm back home in Leesburg. Are you enjoying the beach type attitude down there? Are you saying that life is good, which people love saying in the Outer Banks? Well, that's a brand name of all the clothing down here. People love saying it though. I've had a lot of alone time after you left. And I've gotten so many words. Any tears were tears shed when I left? No tears, but I just moved to your bed. So I can just leave you a bed. I think that's nice. Yeah, I thought it was weird that you didn't want me to make it up for changes sheets or anything. I have to go wash all the sheets. So I understand. I understand. I understand. First off, and perhaps most important of anything, we start by saying thank you to our founders. We just heard from founder number 74, Jerry Howell. But we have around about 150 founders right now. And I love the founder numbers. I love hearing the founder number. I do too. Refer to yourself by founder. In fact, got a beautiful intro from Rick Scofield

2:09who didn't name his number and didn't even say his name. So I sent it back to him. I said, Rick, when you did not do the job right, we were pretty specific. You need to say your name and your number. But it is this groundswell of enthusiasm and approval. And sort of an endorsement for a show that hasn't happened yet is really exciting. Josh and I are really thrilled to know what's coming up. And the fact that you guys are on board with it, it means the world. And if you haven't, if you haven't gotten on board yet, as a founder, a founder membership gets you a year of the premium product. It gets you a t-shirt. It gets you a pin. Yes. It gets you four current founder only founder vault episodes that you'll get instantly when you sign up. And we're working on the fifth one right now. Yeah, there's more content to come. But all this will only be available to the founders. So if you want to get it on the ground floor

3:09and know what's going on, it's a great value. Is it, I mean, I know I would pay six, seven, eight hundred dollars to be a founder. What is the going rate? It is one hundred and fifty dollars. That's it. That's it. The price of a cup of coffee. Yes. And that's just for your first year. It renews at one twenty. There's some extra in there to take care of t-shirts and pins. And really just support us with the launch of this thing. And you're so appreciative. And you will always have your number and you will always be featured on our website as a founder. So we thank you for that. Very, very exciting as we move forward. And also Josh and I texting like high school girls every time a new founder signs on. That's also very fun to get a text where one of us finds that the number has increased before the other. Yeah. And I started by just like sending memes and gifs or are they gifts or gifs? Well, you would send me jersey numbers. Yeah. So you sent a football player with number 12. Right. And now the number two line. A lot of times you'd look at it and say, I don't know why he's sending that. Before it sunk in that what I

4:14was doing. Yeah. It took me a moment to be like, what are you talking about? And then I figured out the number means something. Yeah. We, because you were still in the outer banks and I just spent a few days with you down there. It was outside of the cruise, which was full of distractions last year. This was the most time we spent together in person. And I think it bodes well for the show because whether or not you like it, folks, Josh and I had a blast with each other. We find each other very entertaining. It is. And we've got a, we have a full show today because one of the things we did is we wore microphones for an entire day. Yeah. And it was the kind of microphones. If you remember, our one off about our trip to King's Dominion for an hour under the tower, we forget that we're wearing the microphones. Yes. Yes. We do. And it recorded about eight hours of audio while we were wearing it and out and about. Yeah. I have narrowed that down with AI. It's fun when I give the audio to AI. And I say, go through these eight hours. See if there's anything entertaining.

5:16See if there's anything that's not visually based and bring the best 22 minutes that you can. At any point do you anticipate a message back from AI like after an hour? It says there is nothing entertaining that happens. That's what I expect. I expect to come back and be like, here's your best six minutes. That's right. And two minutes are commercials. And one minute is the intro music. But the other three minutes are great. So I'm not, I've not even heard it yet. So I'm looking forward to going through it. And I've got 22 minutes to go through. I think we'll do this probably third segment of the show. And it covers, it covers us going to the Wright Brothers Museum. Yeah. It covers us. On Kitty Hawk. It covers some of our random conversations. It covers the arcade and it covers an amazing idea that we came up with for still talking. Now we may or may not get to the whole thing. That's the thing. We may grow tired of it. But no matter what, we will listen to some of it today. And the rest of it will be posted as a another founders thing. I guess.

6:17We don't just do a lot of if we don't get through the whole thing, we will just post it as is. Now question for you as I did enjoy my time at the outer banks. It didn't seem, and you know, you go to different beaches, they can be buggy. You can get mosquitoes. You can get the worst thing are like horse flies. And I know that sometimes on the eastern shore, if the wind is blowing out to sea, you're riddled with horse flies because they're coming from the land and going to the beach. If the wind is coming off the water, it tends to keep the horse flies away from the beach. But either way, it's bad. Mosquitoes are perhaps, you know, the most common villain when you're battling bugs at the beach. And I read this article that really is horrifying. I think it puts us at a distinct disadvantage, Josh. Are you familiar with deep, spelled simply, D-E-E-T? When you go backpacking in the back woods or anything, you put deep on to keep the mosquitoes off of you. It was introduced in 1946, and it's actually called, let me get this right,

7:22Diffle made a Toulamide, which is an anti-masquito formulation. So it was made by the military, but it eventually became, I think, backwards off and cutter and all of those insect repellents. And it's great because it will protect you from the scratchy itchy bites. It's probably killing you some other way, but it stops the itch. The way it was created is they say there are plants that there are aroma, repellas bugs. I know I think eucalyptus may be one of them, and you know, some flowers that are natural that's repellabugs, and they try to mimic that. And keep bugs. I think it's one of those that keeps mosquitoes away. It keeps bugs away until it doesn't, and here's what's horrifying. There was a research team that was at Virginia Tech, and they realized that mosquitoes are smart enough to learn. Okay, first off, I don't like that. I think that a mosquito should be stupid,

8:24and if it has the ability to learn, it becomes a much more, I think, size the opponent. I mean, you don't want it to learn and come. No, no, no, no, because then it becomes like some of these smart birds, like crows and Ravens, where it's like, no, you're too smart. I don't want you anywhere near me. You're creepy. Crows remember people. Crows were being you presence if they like you, and crows will come after you if they don't like you. So I don't like smart bird. I don't like birds as a rule. I really don't like owls. I hate bats. The bats are just flying mammals. Yeah, bats are not birds. But the creatures of the air, I find them, you know, upsetting. But this learning mosquito, so the mosquito, when you freshly apply deat, the mosquito is repelled by it. But as it fades, it's less effective because you know, it's working on the old factory sense, the smell that the mosquito has. So the problem is the scent fades, but doesn't go away entirely,

9:25and the mosquitoes will come and bite you. What mosquitoes are learning that if they go after someone who smells faintly of deat, there's a meal to be had. That deat is drawing them to the people because they know that this is a warm blooded creature that put this deat on, deat on, put on this deat, and under that deat is tasty human blood. Mosquitoes are learning to disregard this pesticide that was meant to repel them. And it's drawing them to us. That's a problem. This is the stuff of a 1950s horror film. No, no, no, that's a problem. Any of these insect repellents, if I'm out there putting pesticides down and suddenly it's bringing bugs in, it's a problem. That is a big problem. Thank God, Pestilox, and keeps the bugs away. Do they have a plan on how to fix this deat problem? Well, they don't because

10:25it's been 70 years that we've been relying on this stuff. Well, but I think when you go to like Target or whatever to buy your normal insect repellent for going just to like us, the kids literally game or something, right? A lot of those bottles will say deep free. Okay, so maybe deat is just a thing of the past, but deat is still your primary go-to ingredient, I believe. Well, yeah, and I always assume that deat free means we don't really work. It's like, yeah, yeah, it's sure. Good luck. But it's like rubbing sugar water on yourself to get flies away. This is drawing mosquitoes in. They say, hey, you know what that smells like? That smells like 98.6 degree human blood. I'm all over it. So be careful. Thank goodness winter is coming. Of course, you don't really have winter in Florida where you live in St. August, no, no, do you have bugs all year round? Yeah, we get we get gnats or a problem and we get these love bugs,

11:27which are little bugs. They're Volkswagen's right? They latch on to each other. So that's where they're love bugs because they're always attached together. Right. They are extremely annoying and all over the place. Do they get do they get on you? Do they bite? Do they sting these love bugs? No, no, just annoying. Okay, what about do you have ladybugs? We've got ladybugs. Yeah, not the movie with Rodney Dangerfield. Like the actual ladybugs. Now I think they can get I think they can bite you if you piss them off. Maybe I'm not sure. I have a screen in porch. So I can sit outside without being outside. All right, then I need to bring up one of the one of my favorite slang words from and it's really not even a slang word of the Eastern Shore. Do you deal with no seems? No seems are similar to love bugs. But no seems are so tiny. Yeah, no seems are put they're out of around the same time. We have lots of no seems. Well, no seems can fly through screening because they're that small. They can. So I've seen the treatments in the Eastern Shore where they will

12:29actually spray some chemical on your screen so that the no see or as I like to refer them with my father. I said don't go out there. There's plenty of non see-thumbs out there. The non see-thumbs will get through the screens. You have to be careful with them. Who knows, but I don't think it not, I know seems as smart as a mosquito because I let's go back to the fact that the mosquitoes are learning. This really is like a 19 as I said a 1950s horror movie like where nuclear radiation makes the ant be 20 feet long or something like that. It's it's it's Hitchcock the birds. But if it was the mosquitoes and them coming in and taking over and no longer being scared of humans, this is our place. Now what I've never understood is the purpose of mosquitoes. Like what do they live their life to do? Well, we know we know bees pollinate right as far as mosquitoes. All I know is that they can get dinosaur blood and get caught in the amber and then you find it and dig it up later on and make sure the purpose the if you if you believe such a thing God created

13:32mosquitoes so Michael Crichton could write Jurassic Park. Well, that's gotta be that's what I'm saying. There's gotta be another purpose of mosquitoes. Do they eat? I mean, well, I mean, these these brilliant mosquitoes that are getting smarter all the time. Do they eat smaller pests? Do they eat and oh see them? Or do they just live on human blood? I don't know. I just because you know what a mosquito would love. Oh my gosh, can you imagine a mosquito that found a tick because the tick has already done the work. I take this like a door dash for mosquitoes. That's true, but see, we live in a world where you can Google Google anything. Right. So we're gonna talk to the bathroom reader guy and a little bit. That's right. And that's lots of trivia, but I don't know if there's mosquitoes in his book. Yeah, but I did Google what do mosquitoes do that is helpful? Yeah, okay. What did you do? It's gotta be something good to get. Yeah, first answer is they are a vital food source for many animals. You know, eat some bats eat them. Fish, frogs, salamanders. We got lots of little

14:37lizards in Florida. They do. Yeah. Um, then do you think that the salamander is a particularly bright animal? Like a smart animal? No. Well, then you know, it's gonna happen. It's different between a salamander and the little lizards that we have, but our lizards are dumb. Now are those do you have the lizards that you can hang on your ear? Yeah. If you see them. Okay. Yes. That's what we have. All right. See, here's my thought is the salamanders are not getting any smarter. Maybe they're getting stupider. Maybe they're status quo, but they're certainly not getting smarter. Well, they're not a gecko. Well, no, the gecko is selling life insurance or auto insurance. But if the mosquitoes continue to learn, they're going to begin to outwit. Like they'll certainly they'll they can out with a salamander. I think a bat is pretty smart because it's a mammal. So it probably has a more of a functioning brain because it has to care for its young in a very specific way. So maybe it's

15:39instinct. Maybe it's smarter. But don't you think a bat would be smarter than a salamander or a frog? Yeah. Yes. Yes. I think if we're if we're ranking like the animals that these random animals that you ignore all day and who's like the bigger brain. Yeah. I think you're right. I think a bat would be smarter than a salamander. Right. And probably a frog too. So the bat can cover more ecosystems and fly among where a frog is stuck near a pond or my front porch. So I can if DC comics had come out with a superhero called frog man instead of bat man, he wouldn't be as smart of a superhero. He'd be more of an aquatic superhero. Salamander man. Well, there's there is like a reptile comic book like X-Men or something that's got the big tongue like a like a frog. So there's a little bit there. Okay. But of these of these people of these animals we talked about, I think bat is towards it. Bat doesn't approach like dog or cat. No, no, no. Dog and cat even

16:42horse is up there. Like that we're referring to them in singular. Dog, horse, cow, goat. Yeah. Like deer. I don't think deer is much smarter than a dog. Oh, I think a deer is I think a deer is stupider than a dog. Yeah, because they're constantly being hit by cars and then running into the cars themselves. I never have seen one look both ways before crossing the road. They just run. Now go. So I did have the mosquito if it keeps gaining knowledge, right? And we've we've been scientifically proven by the people of Virginia Tech that they've learned they've learned that deep means blood. If they continue to get smarter and I don't know if their brains or maybe their heads will get bigger because their brains will get bigger. They could be up there with bat before you know it. And maybe they're using sonar to track these people that are wearing deep. I'm not too worried about the mosquitoes. We've we've got like mosquito joe and stuff that goes in sprays

17:42for them. That's not the they're spraying some type of poison to kill them. Do you run behind mosquitoes, Joe's truck because it smells good. Yes. I love those stories of kids of the 50s. I know Michael Merritt did it is when the mosquito guy would drive through they would run behind the truck. See now you just be riddled with mosquitoes because they're just spraying deep all over the place. I know it's got to be something better than deep that they're spraying. Okay. Well no I mean deep remember who was designed for the military. It's pretty high grade stuff. It was great for 70 years. Yeah, but there's a reason that when you go to Target it all says deep free because deep is somehow bad for us. Well, you know, say people may think that I love deep. I think it's delicious and now that I don't drink anymore. Right. But did you like it before your lead painted walls? I love them. That lead tastes so sweet. Do you think a mosquito is smart enough to not eat lead chip pain yet or will they get there? No, I don't think I don't think they're getting smarter. Okay. Do you think a mosquito will ever be a smart and let's go back to birds but this is a

18:46specific bird. Will a mosquito ever be as smart as a chicken? Oh, a chicken might be one of the dumbest birds. Yeah, it's a very dumb bird. It is. But useful because of the egg production. Yes, but if you don't, somehow you have to, how do you train your chicken to lay their eggs in the chicken roost versus just all over the yard or the in the coop? Yeah. Did you know that chicken well one thing chicken coops only have two doors. Did you know this? What just an end in and out? Yeah, because if they have a chicken coop had four doors, it would be a chicken sedan. No, no. Can we delete that? No, what? A mosquito would be too smart to tell that joke. And mosquito is now smarter than making chicken. I think chickens are instinct ruled birds. Yeah, they're what they know as birds. Yeah, but they know that they got a sit in the nest. But the rooster is smart. Well, the roosters got a pretty good job. And roosters

19:47are mean too. I know that roosters have to protect the flock. Right. Yeah. Do you think that the chicken knows is the chicken smart enough knowing that if they don't make eggs, I mean, I should say legs. There's not like they're cooking it a stove. If a chicken doesn't lay eggs, they become dinner. Do they know this? I do not think they know this. Okay. Don't tell. No, and do they know that chicken nuggets is actually chicken probably not because it looks nothing like that. That's true. Do you have a favorite shape chicken nugget? I like the one that's sort of like a parallelogram. Well, I know. I know there's one that's sort of a hard-drop shaped. Yeah. Well, chicken nuggets, they've got their they used to have their defined shapes where the McDonald's chicken nuggets look like McDonald's chicken nuggets. They're probably different. They're in an out of shape. But now I think everyone's trying to go with the style of like Chick-fil-A, which is a lump. So you can't really tell what it is. And then they say it's fresher and better for you because it's not made of pink paste. What about the chicken strips? Well, I'm a lot of people doing chicken strips now. No, no. Do you

20:53think a chicken strip is smarter than a mosquito? Well, now you're putting a living thing up to a dead thing. Listen, I'm not going to close the door on anything. You want to not wrap this up until I admit that a mosquito is smarter than a chicken. No, no, you're going with this. I don't necessarily want to dump animals. I don't require that. We should we can do another episode later on. Yeah. You give me some time to prep and I will give you the smartest animals according to me. Now, I'm not going to let any research. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Okay. The research, I'll close with this. The researcher actually says that mosquitoes are very plastic. He always says, the more we look at them, the smarter they appear. So maybe the mosquito judge is playing dumb. Maybe it's very smart. Maybe it's smart. Like, because you know, within dog breeds, there's

21:54different intelligence ratings. Like, poodles are very smart. I think Labrador's are not as smart. So maybe the mosquito is smarter than a Labrador or going to be smarter than a Labrador. Maybe, but mosquitoes are currently just instinct based. I see. I know. Don't you want to see a hundred years in the future? How smart mosquitoes have gotten? No, I'm good. Okay. Well, good. I'm hoping that a hundred years from now, mosquitoes are not existent. I know I did see they clean like water and all, but we've got filters for that. We no longer need mosquitoes. Frogs can figure something else. You know who I bet? You know who I bet hates mosquitoes is Sam Walker, because they're taking his business. If they're clean and water, you know, that's that's money out of Sam's pocket, because he's a pool guy. You know, you don't clean and polled. But well, they might, they might eventually get there. Maybe so. Okay. Here's okay. They've already figured out how to avoid insect repellent. We're doomed

22:57if mosquitoes figure out how to trade goods and services for cash. That would be the end of everything. Yeah. If they come knocking on your door at 7 AM. Yes. With donuts. Yes. Yes. Yes. Mosquito donuts. Do you think the average IQ of a mosquito is over a hundred? No. I think it's probably like, what do you think it is? I think it's like 40. I think it's like zero. I don't think they measure what because they can follow a smell that makes them smart. Well, I mean, as we said, the mosquitoes are getting smarter. We that maybe in 50 years again, we can ask mosquitoes to do some problem solving. All I know is that it worries me. Is there an animal? Yeah. Hold on. Is there an animal that was dumb or 50 years ago? Has any animal progressed this way? Yes. You're looking at him. I used to be really stupid and look at me now. We are not counting humans as animals in this discussion. I think the the dogs of today, yes, are probably dumber than the dogs of 50 years ago.

24:00Well, they're certainly not as mean. I think dogs used to be meaner. Well, and more of them are in homes and let's wolf like. So I think dogs have gotten dumber. I can't think of an animal that's gotten smarter. Yeah, you know what? More wolf, less wolf. Was that anything? That wasn't anything. I don't know. But anyway, so watch out for those super mosquitoes with little graduation caps, mortar boards, watch out for them. Watch out for mosquitoes. Watch out for mosquitoes and libraries. We have been we have been trying mice and mazes and cheese for a hundred years. Yeah. And have you seen a single mouse get smarter? No, but the mosquitoes, but they don't get smarter. The mosquito will fly above the maze and then find the cheese. And mosquitoes don't even like cheese. That shows how smart they are. They will out with the problem without even having the reward. But yeah, I think we've solved a lot of problems. As we always do. That's the smartest 25 minutes we've had in a while. You're on still talking now. We talked a lot on the Michael Marisho this

25:06week about vegetables. Do you know what a quince is? It's a fruit. It will. Yeah. All right. I'm familiar with quince. It is a part of the clothing company. But no, but I know that it is a fruit. It is a hard golden yellow autumn fruit related to pairs and apples. So that's what a quince is. But as you said, yes. But quince is also a great sponsor of the show. And I love quince. As a matter of fact, you know, we've got this boat trip coming up, this, this farewell voyage for the Michael Marisho to celebrate or observe really Mike's retirement from the podcast. And I, yeah, well, you don't want him to retire. Well, I don't think you celebrated. Do you? Is it more of an observation? I think we're celebrating Mike and his celebration of Mike, yeah. And observing the four in the show. Yes, exactly. But as I was looking at putting it together, some of my outfits for the, the crews, they say that a rub, a cruise rub does not pack one nice outfit. On case, you are

26:15invited to dine with the captain. You should pack a sport jacket or something like that. So you don't have just like Hawaiian shirts and board shorts. That's so that if you're invited to dine with the captain. And you know, I pack, I pack my clothes always. You never know if the captain's going to ask me to dine. It's why when I go to Oreo games, I go in full uniform because you never know if they're going to ask me to play second base. Exactly. You have to be prepared. I'm always prepared. Now, sadly, quince does not make an Oreo uniform, not yet. But they do make beautiful clothes. And I will be packing their linen pants. I'll be packing their t-shirts because they're, it's an elevated t-shirt is what they've got. I wore their stuff all summer. It is now fall. The stuff is still great. The fabrics feel this is their word, but it's true. The fabrics feel elevated. The fits are clean and everything just works. There's no need to overthink it because quince has all the wardrobe staples for dining with the captain. I did get a nice ball sweater that

27:18didn't have a good chance it ends up on the cruise. We've got linen pants. You have the 100% Pima cotton t-shirt, which is amazing. I mean, it feels like it's otherworldly, relaxed and comfortable. But they fit so nice. And the best part, everything is priced 50 to 80% less than what you'd pay with similar brands. So when the captain turns to you and says, Josh, how much did you pay for those pants? And you'll say, Captain, you wouldn't believe the deal I got because they've eliminated the middleman. And he will say, you're a very smart, you're smarter than a mosquito the captain would say. I, one day the captain will ask me to sit apparently. Yeah. Well, I mean, I tell you what, when, and I'm not saying it, when I get invited, I will ask if I can bring you as my plus one. That sounds good. And when, and when the Orioles ask me to come down and play on the field, yeah, I will say, hold on. I have to call Rob to tell him that this whole ruse actually works.

28:22So I don't get to go. So if you're playing second, I don't get to go on the field and play. Could I like, no third or something? No, no, I started it with I was going to invite you to play and realize how bad of an atheist. That was they already suck. You could be my sense, since the Orioles aren't fighting me down. Yeah. I might as well have my very own bat boy. Well, I don't like that. I don't like that. That's smart. But we already have ball girls. So you can be the Pat Boy. All right. And now batting third for your Orioles on mosquito. Same chances as me. Exactly. Refresh your everyday outfits with luxury you'll actually use. Head to quince.com slash TMOs for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's almost a year. That's quince.com Q I N C E quince.com slash TMOs for free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com

29:23slash TMOs TMOs. I will see you at the captain's table. Now, this is the first time Josh and I have entertained a guest on the still talking podcast still talking podcast. We're going to take a small pause and when we come back, we're going to talk to Bob Boone, I believe was his name. Brian. His name is Brian. Forgive me. Brian, my, my most intensive apologies. Brian Boone, who curated the Uncle John's all knowing bathroom reader. If you're like me and you love trivia, you're going to want to hear this interview because this guy knows everything, including some weird facts about Alex Trebek. Ooh, we'll be back and we'll talk bathroom reading on still talking. Rob Spuak. Hey, that's us. Welcome back to still talking. Josh and Rob here. This is exciting because we're about to meet a legendarily a piece of radio history, the first guest on this podcast.

30:27I mean, we've had plenty of each other. It's not the first of this podcast, but this version, this is still talking on Thursdays. Exactly. Exactly. Well, we're getting ready. You know, we're, these are soft. It's a soft launch. So, but he is, I think he's the first guest for us, right? He is. Brian, you join us as we are transitioning from the micro mirror show to still talking as micro mirror retires. So it's a confusing time. But Thursdays is still talking and you're joining us on Thursdays show. Exactly. And I bet that Mike's retirement will be in the 40th edition of the book. We should probably, we'll make sure to include that. All right, we're doing, we're doing with Brian quote unquote, Uncle John Boone, who is the, are you the curator of facts? I guess that's what you would be. I'm a curator. I'm the curator. I am a, I am a, I am a long time contributor. I write about half of it. And then I, and then I, you know, I, I talk it up on the, on the radio and podcasts. Cool. This is Uncle, Uncle John's all-knowing bathroom reader,

31:30the 39th edition. And it says it's a product of the bathroom readers institute. My first question is, am I qualified? Can I get into this institute? You can, you can get into the institute. You can be a proud BRI stalwart, as we call them. I give it a few. If you like, if you like trivia or no trivia, yeah, you're in, you're in. Okay. Well, I will talk about trivia in a moment, but another question that Josh and I were discussing before we keyed the mics. You've been doing press for this, most of today already. How sick are you of disc juckies right now? I'm not at all. Like I love, you know, I love talking shop and every, every radio, every radio guy is, is interesting and engaging. And, you know, what was that? What's fun stuff to say? Like a lot of these people use the, the books for, for, you know, giveaways and stuff and show prep. I know that a lot of the hard hitting, NPR covers it a lot. But, problem, this is. I like, I like talking to you guys. Okay, guys are curious and, guys are curious and fun. And I believe this is your fifth hour of interview,

32:33so if I would have a good notes properly. Wow, which is coming off Labor Day. It's like you're the New Jury Lewis with the telephone. Hour five is beginning. Okay, so first of all, it is essentially a book loaded to the gills with trivia. And just some background on me, I, I'd be hard pressed to tell you the names of all my cousins. But, I literally love trivia, have my whole life. One of the first hardback books I grew up reading was called The Joy of trivia. Imagine like a seven year old guy reading that. And then when I'm like 10, and I know you will know this as well, I discovered a book called The Book of Lists. Oh boy, yes. And that is, that was to me groundbreaking because it was written like a real book, but all it was was trivia after trivia and useless trivia. And I soaked it up like a sponge. So, um, why is it now that we all have the equivalent of World Book and Encyclopedia Britannica and a full library in our pocket at all

33:36times with our phones? Why do we still find it important to remember useless facts? You know, it's, I think there's nothing like that thrill of discovery, um, especially from books, you know, like how many, how many kids will you see, you know, we're greeting a trivia book in a bookstore or, you know, the, the most popular library book is always, you know, the Guinness World Records and things. Oh, yeah, the fat guys on the, I like the fat guys on the motorcycles. The guy with all the cigarettes in his mouth. These are great pictures. Yeah. Those are great. I love the book of lists as a kid. I had a, I had a, I had a, you know, grown up in the 90s. I had a very out-of-date book of lists, a well-worn book of lists that I got on garage sale, you know, looking up the, you know, the, because that stuff wasn't anywhere else. That was, that stuff was hard to find. And there's just the thrill of discovery and getting to share it. And I think trivia just demystifies, you know, the baffling world, just a little bit at a time. And that's, and that's stuff that we can share with each other. If you know more of the stories behind the things and people around you, it's, it's not so scary. And it's, it's fascinating and interesting. Yeah. And what's great about

34:40this book is it's stuff that I wouldn't, like, I have all the answers in my pocket, but I wouldn't go and look up this connection or tell me about this story. So the book just gives me random, more random information without having to even think about what do I want to look up? And we all have our, we all have our specialties. For example, Josh could sit and quote you Orioles trivia all day. He's a baseball guy. And then that's just keeping some trivia today. That's, yeah. Well, they wait. No. I could sit down and talk Beatles flip sides or record labels or music charting records. That's, that's sort of my, my wheelhouse. But when you get into your book, and it's all over the place, as someone who loves to do music radio, I love it because most of your facts can be told over the 14-second intro of a record. It's so nice. Oh, nice. Bite, so nice. And so wonderful in that way. Do you have an area of trivia that you specialize in? One that really is your, your go-to? I, I also love, I also love music trivia. Okay. I love,

35:45I also like, you know, stuff that doesn't exist. Like, it whether it's, you know, movies that never got made sports teams, moves that didn't happen. TV shows that were canceled before an episode aired. I just, I love that just like, you know, frivolous alternate history, I guess you would call it. Well, stuff that only exists, it only exists in the ether. And if you don't write about it, it eventually goes away because as we've learned in Hollywood, everyone is dying. And when they die, they take their stories with them. So that's great. Yeah. Yeah. I got to ask about one of those useless stories. Yes. In a book because we've been talking on here about monkeys and monkeys in TV and movies. And one of the stories in here is about a champ that saves TV news. Yeah. Now, see, this is funny. And let me just say this is an intro, Brian. I was going to ask Josh if he knew about Jay Fred Mugs because it's a very common, it's a common story because it was all over, but it seems to have been, it seems to have disappeared. No. So if you would,

36:48let's do 50s, stuff from the 50s is getting, is getting obscured. Like I think Elvis was kind of in danger of getting forgotten until those movies came out a couple of years ago. You're right. I mean, his fan base is literally dying. So oldies radio doesn't play 50s anymore. But yeah, like I can't believe I know a lot about TV history. I can't believe I'd never heard this story. Like you were saying about how these books kind of tell you what you didn't know you didn't know. Right. My story with with Jay Fred Mugs. And for five years in the 50s, the Today Show, the serious news magazine was hosted by a chimp. It's hosted by a chimp. So early days of TV, they were just throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks. Nobody was watching the Today Show. But everybody was watching these kids shows that would have like, you know, a guy dressed up as a pirate with a little animal psychic. So president of NBC, Bud Weaver, Sigording Weaver's father, made, made them host, found this train chimp named Jay Fred Mugs and made him host the Today Show. So David Garoua, Sears Newsman, would read all these news items. And then they'd cut to the

37:51chimp in the studio who would just kind of parade around a cute little outfit or bang on a piano or do a little comedy sketch. The most famous celebrity on TV for its first decade, Jay Fred Mugs. And monkeys are in and anyone. I'm so glad we've turned this into a monkey podcast. Well done, Josh. Well, yeah, we're going to get our own chimp. No, we're not. Because chimp's are the third bike. Chimp's are dangerous and chimp's are unpredictable. Yeah, but unfortunately, they don't have to be in our room. They can be in their home. Oh, it's like in the Michael Jackson, movie, the AI chimp weekend. I know Garoua hated working with a monkey. Yes. Yes. But you know what? There is a small reference to it in the movie. Josh, have you ever seen Quixio? The movie about the game show scandals? One of my favorite movies. Yeah. But when they take the the winning contestant and they put him, they say he's going to be a regular on the Today Show, is like an education consultant. And he mentions that he'll be there with the monkey. It's just like a throwaway line, but it is monkeys on TV. It was huge. And he only got fired. He got fired

38:57because he bit Martha Ray. It's amazing. That's why also why they why they fired Matt Lauer, I think. So when you're talking trivia and people are still drawn to it, do you ever run into a fact that you say, oh my god, there is no way that's true. And you've got to like double check your research because it's just too ridiculous to believe it. Oh, oh, absolutely. Yeah. You you you think you're going to write one story and you wind up writing a completely different story because because the fact changes along the way or you find another avenue. Because like, you know, there's all sorts of, you know, we have like a lot of wacky news, weird news, you know, dumb crooks in these books. And you got to you got to trace the story back to its original source. And sometimes it's just like a, you know, a police blotter in South Florida or something like that. And so and you find that like the story has been has been altered along the way. It's like a game of telephone. So we try to go back to the primary sources as much as possible. And then we, you know, we tend to

40:01rely on our on our print sources more than ever. Because the internet give us a lot of material, but the internet is also cursed in that it's it's it's like 95% accurate. I would say so we got to get a trace it back. How many of your source stories take you to the great state of Florida? Because that is that seems to be one of the richest sources for entertaining news stories. You know, we just do stories. You just like Florida man. And this is this is interesting. Apparently that that became a thing because there's weird news everywhere. And there's always been great news everywhere. But but Florida is one of the few places where you could print somebody's name without without having to get their permission. So okay. Yeah. So other places like you could just print out, you know, you just print the story anonymously. But that wasn't as interesting as, you know, putting a name and often a face or a mug shot to the story. So that's that's why that took off. That's wild. But Josh is a Florida guy. Josh is okay. But he's in the he's in the outer

41:02bathroom. I'm a relocated one. Yeah. Originally from Maryland. So calling it a bathroom reader. And this is funny to me. I'm thinking that the average youngster like my son, he's 22, my daughter's 25. If you said this is a bathroom here, they'd say, but why? If you're going to read in the bathroom, read on your phone. And I tried to explain to them that before phones, there are actually members of my family that kept magazine rags in the bathroom as a cursor. Like a fine hotel. Yeah. And so I love that you're bringing back the the the quaint habit of reading while you're on the toilet. Do you ever see that coming back? I, you know, it's I think it should because, you know, we're on our screens all the time. We're required to be on our screens all the time. This is a this could be a moment of respite for you. Like it's it's it's the one of the few things that you do by yourself, you know, most for most of us. It's the one thing you can do by yourself. It's a it's a moment of respite and rest from the world. And while you're in there,

42:04just take a moment to yourself a quiet moment and, you know, learn a little something and retain yourself. Just don't just endlessly scrolling your phone and look at the algorithm of what some robot has chosen for you. They just like take a book, flip it open and, you know, see what you find. And I like that you have something to talk about when you come out. Hey, the exact absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Then you get to share that information and you get like, well, I read somewhere. And then they say, that's fantastic. And you did wash your hands, right? I think that also the beauty of the book. And I hold it right here. It's a beautiful size. And the font is big enough even for me is that there's no way to accidentally record yourself on the toilet while you're reading the book. Where is that phone? It's always a risk. Always a risk happens. You want to and you never forget. You never do. You never do. Or you become a very popular influencer. It's one of the other. So you were talking about, you know, searching stuff to go to the source. When this, what was the year that the book was first published, the first edition? 1988. So definitely pre-reliance on the

43:10internet. You could probably get a WWW going, but we weren't all doing it in 1988. Josh was six years old. Yeah, quite. But I'm eight. Okay, so I was close. But that was eight. Yeah. With the, okay, speak loud because, you know, I'm getting older. The notion of not having the internet and writing the book is pretty incredible because that's the font of information. Has the influx of internet popularity and having the internet constantly available? Has it helped your job? Has it hurt your job? Has it helped your book be put together or does it hamper sales? Where does it? Where does it? How does it affect you? You know, I think all of the above, yeah. It's a we we are kind of the internet before there was the internet. It's just this, you know, massive information was waiting to be discovered. It's cure. It's curated for you, you know, the in a tasteful way, unlike an algorithm. It's it's cured in an entasable way. But, you know, the internet, you know, allows us access to so much information and so many stories. But at the

44:12same time, you have to kind of question it. So it's it provides us with a lot of material, but it's it's mostly jumping off points and we can we can take it from there and go off in other places. But, it's, you know, yeah, sure phones are phones are competition, but it's you can't be at a real book and you never will be able to. We're talking to a Brian Boone, the fact curator for Uncle John's All Knowing Bathroom Reader. Have you ever encountered a fact that made you look at something totally different? I mean, just for it doesn't have to be this, but like something about a food that you've been eating your whole life and you read a fact about the food and you go, oh my god, I can never eat that again based on that fact. Have you ever had any lifestyle changing facts that you've discovered? You know, there's a there's a there's a there's a thing in here about like, you know, why why Jesus smelled the way they do and it's because of bacteria. Sure. Like I knew I knew that because I remember, you know, young Uncle John a moment when I was very little. Yeah, my mother, why is there a hole in holes in Swiss cheese and she just said, it's because

45:16of bacteria. No, no follow up information, no follow up questions for my part. I'm just like, that's gross and weird. Yeah, that is a little off course again in here, but like like that's why that's why cheese smells and why cheese is the way it is. It's because of bacteria. So there's good and bad bacteria, right? Right. We also have this article in here about horses and how, you know, horses are the key to modern civilization developing. And I never thought about that before, just like, I'm like, oh, just yeah, horses and stuff there, you know, they're there be subverting, you know, they're sure, but like, but you follow it way, you follow it back in this article. So beautifully written by my colleague, you know, it took them a hundred thousand years to domesticate the horse, but when they did like civilization ramped up like because once we had horses, we had the spoke wheel and then spoke wheels meant that horses could pull wheeled plows instead of the ox driven heavy plows, which went to an increase in agriculture and population increase and long distance travel and the spread of language and ideas and goods. And then city states developed

46:18and then there were roads between them to, you know, you know, move the horses back and forth. So like, that's just fascinating to me. It's like, I never thought of that. And yet horses have never hosted a morning television show. I mean, I would like to put a horse on Good Morning America for competition against Jay for Mugs, we can see what happened. They're not an entertainment. They're the hard workers. I would say you've never watched Mr. Ed then, because he could, the right horse can be very entertaining. Yeah, with a little peanut butter and string. Exactly. That's all you need. That's all you need. So when you're, I'm sorry, Josh, go ahead. Go ahead. You're taking into this. When you, when you find a fact and maybe it is a perfect interest to you. But then you're thinking, is this widespread enough? Does this have the, the legs to go into the reader? Is there a test or some way that you sort of qualify, quantify, vet out the facts to say this, this is going in the bathroom reader? You know, if it is obscure,

47:18I try to find the angle that's, that's the widest. Okay. That's, that's the widest thing. You know, because I was doing this article. I read, I picked up David Lee Roth's memoir at a, at a used bookstore and it's huge best seller, huge best seller. Well, I was going to do like a page of quotes from David Lee Roth, but I couldn't find enough that were suitable for print because, I understand a lot of, because it's David Lee Roth. But I found in there that he was talking about the movie that he made, he tried to make. And that was the reason why he left Van Halen. So, everybody knows Van Halen, everybody knows that David Lee Roth abruptly left Van Halen, you know, and, and you know, left the spot up from for Sammy Hager. But nobody knew that he actually left Van Halen to make movies. And he wrote this movie called Crazy from the Heat, where he's going to play himself. And he was on like this crazy deserted island surrounded by, you know, bikini babes and, and such. And, uh, it never got made because the studio went out of business. It's crazy because I mean, someone who loves music and loves music trivia like myself,

48:20I always heard and it seemed true that he left because he was busting heads with Eddie. You know, it just seemed like a personality. And that's the story that sort of played out. So, he, he did that. And his first, I think his first solo effort was an EP of four track album called Crazy from the Heat. And that had California girls. And I think it had just a jiggle on it. So, I think it could rose. Yeah. Yeah. So, is that, was that soundtrack? Was that in preparation for the movie that never got made? Or can you even answer that? It was because he was, he was busting heads with Eddie because he wanted to be like the showman because he's covering, you know, California girls and just a jiggle and do the song and answer to it. So, he wanted to be like an old fashioned entertainer. He wanted to sing and dance and make movies. And the movie would have been a musical. It would have had opportunities for him to do that. So, he didn't want to do, you know, the peak of van Halen's success as the biggest hard rock band in the world. He wanted to do, you know, the old school entertainment. So, that's why he left. And he wanted to make a movie to show

49:21off his skills. Is there a book? Is there a chapter in the bathroom reader called Bad Choices? Oh, that would be a, that would be a lead story under Bad Choices because that not making the movie would lead to him. I'm just going to get losing his hair, becoming an EMT, becoming a morning disc jockey. And now I don't even know what he's doing. But in van Halen is still ahead. I mean, I know that we lost Eddie, but the band itself is held in amazing high regard. And just sort of disconnected himself from that. He's still trying to sell the movie. Could be. He's still like, they're trying to convince someone. Him at 75 doing what he was supposed to be doing at 30 would be, would be a trip because he probably doesn't think he's, he's aged at all. No, but he really has. Yeah, yeah. But I can see, you know, if you look at the flavor of that crazy from the heat music, that belongs in a movie. Not a good movie, but it does belong in a movie. Yeah. It seems like very much a movie that would have been on cable, you know, all the time in the late

50:2180s. Yeah. One of those movies you just absorb on HBO. So we talked that, you know, Josh is a sports guy. I'm sort of a music showbiz guy. You're also a music guy. But when you're looking for topicality for your book, is there one genre of fact that is really, really the way to go? Like it's just when you go into some like break it down to like the the the wedges on trivial pursuit. Is it easy to do sports and leisure? Is it easy to find facts on geography or history? What do they go to? I think it have to be start with something everyone knows. Yeah. Yeah. You start with like those those touchstones of pop culture that everyone knows, those historical events, you know, the same, the same 10 books. We were all forced to read in high school things like that. But as far as through lines ago, it's it's accidental discovery. It's accidents because because then you get accidental discoveries, people messing up, you know, people, you know, returning to the scene of the crime and, you know, reporting, you know,

51:22stolen bag of drugs to the police and you know, that's a that's an accident. So many inventions were created by accident. You know, Splenda was created by accident. You know, so many things are changed like an accident. The microwave was was created by accident, you know, it was supposed to be a weapon and a guy walked by with a chocolate bar in his pocket and he knows that it melted and realized that oh, this could be a lucrative kitchen gadget. Fantastic. So, some would say Rob's entire career is an accident. Yeah. And not a good one. You went in as an intern and you never left. Yeah, I kept falling upwards and I do have a melted chocolate bar in my pocket. There you go. I started in the mail room and here I am. And now was there an original Uncle John? There was. His name was John Javna. He's still he's still around. He's off. He's off to another thing. He's a he's he's off to an charitable work in Columbia now. He was in a bathroom and he realized he had nothing to read. And he's like, other people must have this problem. And he's written some other trivia books. So he kind of compiled them into a into an all genre, all encompassing

52:24volume and that's good. I see. I like the picture Uncle John as the old guy at the retirement home that won't stop talking and just telling people useless facts nonstop. Yeah. The nurses. The nurses hate him. That's right. That will be me God willing. Well, Brian, outside of the book, I did see you were a contestant on jeopardy. I was. So Tritus always been something to you. I you know, I think at about the age of 10, I discovered Uncle John's bathroom reader and I discovered jeopardy just all at once. Who was your host when you were on the on the game? I was on Shrebek. I wanted to try back last seasons. I was on right before they switched over to the HD set. So I was on I was on the old set. Yeah. And I was on with Alex Shrebek in 2009. How did you fare? I finished I finished third. And if you remember the cheers episode with Cliff Clavin when he was on jeopardy, sure. I did. I did that. I ran the board. I got every question right. And then I blew all of my money on the daily doubles every single time. What was the

53:27question? What was the question that tripped you up? I know you remember. It was, oh, of course, I or the answer that tripped you up. I'm sorry. It was about which which founding fall basically which founding fathers spent a lot of time in France. And obviously it's Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, Jefferson. Right. And I said Benjamin Franklin like a like a like a moron. Well, no, that's I mean, that's a good, you know, Benjamin Franklin loved his horse. And France is a good place for horse. Yeah. So I would have I would have I might have given you partial credit. I'd like I'd like 10,000 to it was like 10,000 to zero to zero. And I and I lost everything. And I never quite I got it all back. And then I blew it on another. Then I got it all and I blew it on the other. That's a strategy part. Yeah, were you a strategy guy? Did you did you do like a hour? No, no, if you can have a strategy, but it doesn't have to be, you know, coupled with knowing the answers. Did you hit the big money ones first and then worked down to the lower mic? Because that's sort of a relatively recent trend. My strategy was I can read fast.

54:30And I thought that was going to be an advantage, not knowing that like everybody on Jeopardy is somebody who can read fast. And then I also lock you out from answering the question. them. You don't see it on TV, but there's there's lights on each side of a well, you've got the wall of screens. And then the one question fills up the whole thing. And then there's lights that count down. And once they all disappear, then you can ring in. If you ring in, if you try to buzz in before the lights are all off, it locks you out. So you have to time it just perfectly. I've talked to more than one Jeopardy contestant. And they say that knowledge is of course important. But timing is as much of a skill on that show timing. How was Trebek? Did Trebek treat you well? Did he scoff at you because of your bad gameplay? He was very Alex Trebeky about it. He was very very stentorian and very very thick Canadian accent and everything like that. But because of the quiz show was absolutely zero contact between contestants and him. Like he's we're kept in a holding

55:30pen. And he's kept on the other side of the studio. So we met him when he came out as their filming. They say, and now Alex Trebek, he comes out. You don't see him until then? No, we don't see him until then. And then when the credits are rolling and you're standing around talking with the house, as soon as they said we're out, he left. Like my fellow contestant was telling a story and he just left in mid story. And I guess that is. Yeah, legally that he has to do that. But is he able to sort of excuse himself quickly and cleanly or did it just seem rude at the time? Because you're probably already in a pretty rotten mood. Oh, absolutely. I was just sick to my stomach. But he was nice about it. There was like a bunch of school field trips sitting in the studio during the time. So in commercial breaks, he took questions from the audience. And that was pretty cute and engaging. So he was a lovely guy. Did he get all the answers right when they asked him questions? They asked everybody, everybody asked him how many of the questions do you know? And he said, I know almost all of them, which that's a lie. Yeah, when he gets the answer. They should have

56:37some guys that are assigned to come and rip him off the stage at the end. So then you don't think he's rude. You think he's locked up in the back room. He's a person. You can play the other guy. So not to get too personal, Brian, but are you a married guy? I'm a married guy. Okay. Does your wife ever get sick of you sitting on your phone or at your desktop or at your laptop? Just bunny trailing fact after fact and going down all these rabbit holes and finding all this stuff. And when she says, you're not present and you just say, dude, I'm doing my job. Has that ever been a thing? You know, not really. She's curious. She's a curious person too. She's an excellent researcher. She's written lots of pages for us over the years. She says, curious is me and about. She's introduced me to topics I knew nothing about. She knows a lot about gardening and flowers and, you know, Victorian history, expert on Marie Antoinette. So she's dissonally as many facts as I dish out to her. She's going to introduce you to interesting topics

57:41like vacuum cleaning and doing the dishes and all the ways that you can help out around the house. I did just do a random open of the book when I got it. And it's a hefty book. And I landed on a page that I know that Josh and I would go crazy for and it's facts about soda. So to put it. And I mean, we don't like more. That's I mean, we really dig the carbonated beverages. And one thing that landed and here's this will be a memory test. Why do some people call it soda? Why do some people call it pop? It's a I can't remember exactly why, but it's a it's a regional it's a regional thing, right? It's right. Yeah, it is. Yeah. But I wondered if it was basic because I know there are certain areas in the south where all soda is called a coke. Let's go get a coke. And I mean, it's just I don't understand. I think here in the middle where are you based? Right. I'm in Oregon and we call it seems like it's a mix here, but my wife is from Oklahoma where all they drink is Dr. Pepper, but everybody calls it coke. Yeah, you see? And they mean a

58:46Dr. Pepper. No one means coke. They mean a Dr. Pepper, which is extremely confusing. But the pop came from I believe it was Green River, a soda up in the Illinois, Wisconsin area. And it made because of the way it was bottled, it made this very distinctive popping sound when you opened it up. And that's and before then they called it soda, but people started colloquially calling it pop. That's you know what? I just I do think that it's a fascinating piece of nomenclature throughout the states, but I think here in the middle, and we've got it right. It's a soda. And if it's a coke, it comes from the Coca-Cola product company. Yes. And Pepsi is never okay. I'm sorry. I just can't do it. When they say it's Pepsi okay. I'm like, yeah, Pepsi is. Yeah, it's by definition. It's okay. And that's not great when you have a choice. That's what we have. Yeah. So I know we're up against the clock. I could talk to you for a day and a half, but after spending as much time as you have assembling the all-knowing

59:47bathroom reader, what is one question that you cannot be asked that you cannot answer? Is there something that you've researched and you want to get in the book, but you just can't make it happen? I can't. Yes, that's a great question. I want to know like the origin of like sports team names. Like you know, you know, the Baltimore Orioles, you know, the Maryland Terrapins. When did that start and why? And when did it become official? Like I'm not searching for the right things maybe. I just cannot figure out where that started. Just seems to have started, you know, at some point. You know, I know that like baseball teams name themselves after their different sock colors. Yeah. It predates that because there's rugby teams and stuff like that all over the world. But here's a good, you can't find that one. Here's a good starting point. Go back five or six years and research why they called themselves the Washington football team. And the answer is that management. That's your answer right there. Brian Boone, I guess you are the honorary Uncle John

1:00:52and the curator of all the facts for Uncle John's All Knowing bathroom reader and the first guest on this iteration of still talking fastening stuff. Brian come back and talk to us again someday. I will. I'm going to I'm going to acquire a list of stupid questions about monkeys and horses and Dr. Pepper. And I know you're the only one who can answer them. Thank you so much. I come on. Thank you. Thank you. God Brian knows everything. He really does. Yeah. Yeah. Just poor, jeopardy strategy. Yeah. I'm sorry that it's like your ski ball strategy. Also not great. Yes, or like when we were in the arcade and did the race car game, there's no point to a break on our race car game. You're right. Absolutely right. And the reason Josh brought that up is that you beat me at the race car game. Multiple times. Yeah. I beat you at ski ball.

1:01:56But then you you toasted me on the best. When we, because when I play ski ball, my strategy is go for that top left corner. And if you get the 10,000, you win, but you never were able to get it. I think it's a, but it's also all of those things where if I get it once, I can get it four times. So I don't know. The story wants I find the right spin. When we were at the arcade, I was watching a mosquito and he was just going for 5,000 every time. He's smart. He learns. All right. How many times have ball kill him? Well, yeah, he said don't sit at the ball return. You're going to get smashed. All right. I'm playing the ocean cruise music. Why? Because the micro-marriage show has done a lot of crazy things over the years. So we're not just going to say goodbye, take our ball and go home. No, we're going to paradise. It is the final voyage for the micro-marriage show. And we are going to hop aboard a luxurious ocean liner and spend four days with you listeners. Or four mosquito free days. Four mosquito free days. And you know what?

1:03:02Because there's no mosquitoes, you've got a very good chance of winning trivia on the bone because they won't be there to compete with you. Then perhaps the main thing, of course, is the historic final recording of the final micro-marriage show. And it'll be in front of an audience. It'll be no retakes, no reduce. This is it. This is the final show. And we really want you to be there for it because without you guys, the micro-marriage show wouldn't have ever happened. And so since you were there at the beginning, we'd like to have you there. And that's part of our weekend, part of our weekend plans in the out of banks were start to plan the crews and the lots of good surprises. Exactly. And I'm so excited that I think it's going to be a lot of fun. So this is from January 21st to the 25th. We leave out of Tampa. We spend a couple days at sea. We spend a day in Cosmell, which is magical. I understand. And then we come back on Monday. And I was leaning on my mom pretty hard last night. I think there's a chance my mom is going to come with her sister. My mom has never done a cruise before. And I said, this will be the perfect.

1:04:03Yeah, careful. I hear the TMS crews are addictive. They are. And she'll spend the rest of her life looking others. She'll spend the rest of her life with Doug Carlson going from boat to boat to boat. Well, I believe that's micro-marriage retirement plan. Yeah, it's cheaper than getting a hotel. As you can just live on a boat. But we would love to see you there. It's the time of year, mid-January when you just want to get some warm weather. And it's going to be fantastic. So we spent years making the show. Now let's make one last memory. And we need you to be a part of it. If you want to be a part of it, call 800 814 7100. That's 800 814 7100. Use group code 44435. And tell them you're with TMS. My favorite part of the last cruise was when we were just hanging out with listeners. That's my favorite part. But there's always stuff to do. And it's going to be a blast. We want to see you there. Okay. Yeah. Thank you again to Brian Boone for doing that interview with us.

1:05:04But now let's talk about us because I think we're probably the best part of this show. We'll find out. I have not heard this yet. And maybe I will pull a micro-marriage and grow board with it and play an explosion and we'll be done. But maybe it's fascinating. I don't know. As we said at the front of the show, we wore microphones all day as we drove around the outer banks of North Carolina. And AI put together our day. Josh, you have the audio, yes? Yeah. And that's just rolling to the audio. We can make comments if necessary. Tell me to pause if you want me to pause. All right. Let's have it. We start at the right brothers. Okay. Rob and Josh came to the outer banks with a practical goal. Get together, enjoy the day and plan what comes next for still talking. So naturally, they so our announcer is obviously AI guy. Fresh from his successful run as the announcer for his next sticks fix. Now he's landed as this narrator. He sounds really bored with us already.

1:06:07Well, he's he sound see I read it the other way. I heard listen to it. I feel like he's given us a whole lot more credit than we do. Okay. All right. As we think like we we came to the outer banks with a plan. Maybe you know what? And also maybe he's a cool guy. You know, he doesn't want to get access. Oh, he's definitely a cool guy. Chose a place built around two other men with a plan and a dream to take off at the right brothers national memorial. One pair changed travel forever. The other pair wore microphones wandered into the museum and immediately started judging the family history. This is Rob and Josh planning still talking. We're another big idea. First got off the ground. He's judging us. Yeah, he is. Now who do you like better Wilbur or Orville? Oh, I'm an orbel guy. Yeah, I can see that. Great hats. But Susan, no one talks about Susan. Susan, right? Susan, right? Or Steven, right? They're comedian. I think Susan was one of the parents. Oh, there she is. Yeah. See Susan and Milton. Milton. That was uh they had seven kids. Too many. And yet we only

1:07:13talked about two of them. Yeah, you think it's better that you're the only only sibling without a college degree. How would you like it if you're the sibling that did not and veneer travel? I know. Or wasn't included. These two boys worked together. What was everyone else? Yeah. Then they came here because it's I guess Dayton. Was it going to work for Yeah, too many buildings. Yeah. Beautiful mad sound of the museum. Boy, it was crowded. Feels like we're there. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. The whole thing was you lean the steer a bike. That's how you fly. That makes sense. It's weird how like we just think of this thing not stuff naturally. Yeah. Like you don't think about it. Well, I suppose that was imperative. I want to feel like Orville built this for experiments. And Wilbur was just there holding off with the fan. Yeah, and eating ice cream. Yeah. We're very judgmentary. We are. We really should be impressed with everything they did.

1:08:14It was all impressive. Yeah. We can't get past that. I'm not sure why they haven't tried to make a movie yet of these two brothers. Now that would be a good project for Will Farrell and that's like the Riley. Except for others too. Yeah. But instead they're the right one. Except they would do horrible old timey accents. Yeah. I want to work. There should be like a some sort of movie about it. It seems like there's the museum supplied the facts. The fourth fight brought much farther than the first three. Rob and Josh supplied a theory. The right brothers were powered not only by engineering, but by the oldest fuel known to siblings. The need to beat your brother. But you got to think that fourth one is pretty impressive. Yeah. Well, I mean, they were shitting themselves when they did that. Yeah. It's like, come on. Quit showing off. And I should know this. I don't know which one of them was actually the pilot. I meant to look. I feel like I feel like they took turns. So I feel like I bet they fought.

1:09:18Right. But I feel like I can just see that fourth one. The other brother chasing them down. Yeah. I said, you know, you're quit showing off. And I can't tell. Are you excited at that point? Are you irritated that he's going further than you? Yeah. Or I mean, and also if you're flying it and you've gone five times further than you've ever gone, it's like, is this right? Right. Because I know they were really smart brothers. Yeah. And I know they worked together with the bicep company and all. But I cannot help but picture them like it Matt and I. We're doing exactly what I was thinking. Where we would be bicker and all the time. Yeah. Supporting and and work better together than with anyone else. But still. But it's not stop. Yeah. So that they this is that these are the sheds but they flew from the hill. The shed is where they worked on it. Okay. And I believe they flew from the hill. Okay. I was one second. We are infinitely quotable on this show. Yes. And I do think in the museum there should be on the wall. You know, they have those beautiful quotes engraved. It should say

1:10:18quote, these were smart brothers. These were broken. Yes. And it would be nice. Nice. We are two dummies. We are. They flew from the hill when they did not fly from them. Not even close. We later learned. It was absolutely wrong. Yeah. Go ahead with this. That's right. Are these original cones? I feel like the cone for the last time. This is us walking out. Safety cones on the back. Yeah. I do see that. I do sink of them as it's bat night. I tried to do anything. Yeah. Because I think I always think of bat night on the baseball or softball field together. Yeah. Because we can we don't have to communicate. We just throw the ball in the persons there and we know each other well. Yeah. I never had that connection with anyone else. He and I used to warm up pre-games with two balls because we would both be throwing at the same time. And then you catch it and you

1:11:21throw and no one else. I know other people can do it. But in our world no one else can do that. Are they going to say it? Probably look like you were just showing off. Because it looked like we were showing off. And it was just what we did for fun. That's a great challenge to ourselves. Well you're very smart brothers. But that was the right one. Because we would know he throws low I throw high. Yeah. And I think of that as these brothers because I also know at the same time that we're doing something really cool like that. Yeah. We are talking to each other making fun of each other and complaining that his throw was too high or too low or whatever. Yeah you're messing it up. I can't get out of my head the picture of the two and I know that has to be these two. Yeah. I love the idea of them fighting. Yeah. I really do. Which is why I need a right brothers movie. That is not my look for one. Well I think it should be you and Matt. I can't act. Hasn't stopped many people. No. And it has to be real. If you want that version from Matt and I, you don't tell us you're the right brothers. You say you guys go build a plane and do that.

1:12:25Go start a bike shop. Right. It has to be a top. On that first day, the rights flew four times. They did. The first three markers sit close together. The fourth is far down the field, turning a historic breakthrough into a surprisingly long walk. I got a note from a lady that my dad worked with for many years. I knew about her, but I'd never met her because he talked about her. And she said, I thought of your dad today. Whenever we would get something that came through, be it a resume or anything that had a really big font on it, your father would hold it up and say, what? What? And it was just something he did. And so if he saw that for, that's what he would say. Pause it a second. Yeah, there's a little doubling going on. There's some doubling there and we're not even in Ireland. You were just, I have to go back a second. You very flippantly just said, I can't act. I can't. But you never said anything about Matt. Do you think your brother Matt could act if we want the

1:13:28cast of the right. I think he'd be better than me. Yeah. Okay. But I think I play myself the best. Yeah. Well, of course, without a script. Yeah. Of the two of you when the movie would be released, who would be the heartthrob? Who would be the one that drove the ladies crazy? You know, you want to say it. Go ahead. It's you. I don't. Because you're the quiet brother. I don't think there's a heartthrob. No, I instantly went to thinking of the movie Step Brothers, which I don't like. Right. And I don't understand why people praise it so much. But there was no heartthrob there. No, I guess you're right. So, you know who the heartthrob is. It's spelled THR-O-B-B. Throb with two Bs. And I'll be like your assistant. We're going to have to rewrite the story of flight. Yes. Well, you know what I'll be? I'll be the first male flight attendant. Or the little or the kid taking the pictures that was there that I don't think I can play a kid. You know, I think I think AI must have skipped over and not found it as entertaining as me

1:14:31that the lady at the gift shop invited you to her home. Oh, have we have we been to the gift shop yet? I think in real life, we already went to the gift shop. Okay. Yeah. We chronologically, we already went to the gift shop. Speaking of heartthrob, Throb with two Bs. Yes, the older lady did hit on me. She had an opening joke and then with a little too much sincerity offered me to go to her home. Yes. You were, that made you illiterate, but as you know, I'm everybody's friend, so it didn't matter. Hopefully it's still common, but I don't think so. I'll find the further. Yeah, like we were talking about this earlier. Yeah, like we were talking about this earlier. Yeah, it was his bit. I like it. I also like that four is so much further than three that you know most tourists don't walk to four. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's, what there is, there's the tired father who has spent so much time taking his kids everywhere in the out of banks, and they finally get here. And he says, well, you know, really what you want to focus on is the first flight. That's the one that matters. And then you got the kids who don't care because planes have been

1:15:34around forever. Right. So they don't ever think about the fact that someone had to invent it. Yeah. I think when we get up there, we should find a huge family that's like looking at the sign and say, oh my god, can you believe how awesome the memorial is for four? So good. It looks exactly like you. So glad we walked there. Right. I know. Like that's where you were. I wish they did have like those stamps, those penny stamp machines. Yeah. We could just hold one up and be like, can't believe you had to go all the way to four to get this. I can't believe they have that lemonade dispenser at four. Right. Free lemonade. It's so great. Yeah. But it is not impressively hot. No, it's fine. No, it's not bad at all. Listen to me pretending I'm not out of breath. I do. And like no, remember. Yeah. Because then it's like, if anything, it's too cold. That would be nice. But today it's actually been beautiful. The lesson was complete. Flight takes courage, engineering, and a very long walk back to the car.

1:16:36Stop one second. Yes. I'm thinking about my character of the male flight attendant for the first flight. Okay. I think my name is Marcel. So it's Orbal and Wolverine. And then I'm a one name character Marcel. Marcel's a monkey name. And we have to make it a monkey movie. We have to make it a monkey movie. Okay. So oh, yeah, because you're thinking of friends. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have to think of a. Hmm. I'll come up with another flight attendant name. Thank you. I'm about Melissa. Uh, could I play a character named Melissa? Melissa. Okay. Yes. We turned on shore back then. Flight attendants had to be female. Yes. Of course. And pretty. Yeah. So I see before airplanes. First of all, the brothers arguing over the qualifications for a flight attendant. Well, back then, before planes, they were just attendants. They didn't have to be up in the air. I mean, they would just like walk around streets and say, Hey, would you like a biscoff? Would you like a thimbleful of Coca-Cola? What are you? I'm an attendant. That's what I am. Conversation reached to equally serious subjects, fast food architecture and the ideal shape of pizza.

1:17:43Did you, um, have you ever seen that and there's just a few of them around where people are taking pizza buildings and retrofitting them to look like pizza hut. Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing. So cool. They can't be making any money, but we don't. And the bottom line is the pizza is just not very good anymore. No, I made dominoes die when it talks, when you go to the big three. Yeah. Big four, whatever. But I, I don't know if I've changed or I pizza used to be great. I find they all fluctuate. They all change their ingredients a little bit to save money and then to compete with each other. So I find there's years where, but I had pizza that should be simply and I wasn't impressed. Yeah. Dominoes is pretty solid. Dominoes is not going to anything that you're going to like scream about, but yeah, very consistent. It's consistent. And that's what I look for in that. Hold on one second. I have to apologize to all the jar heads and still talking listeners out there. I have now officially forgotten I'm wearing a microphone and my diction and vocal pattern is so lazy. I mean, I sound like a guy that had

1:18:48THC beverages the night before and stayed up too late. So my apologies. I try to tweak it up normally for a broadcast, but you're not getting any of that. No, no, you're getting this is, this is showing you that even when the mics are turned off, Robin, I still talk about meaningless stuff. Yeah, but just with live with worse diction. I'm ashamed. I said this, this sounds like Elvis's last concert. Like I'll be dead in two months. Hopefully I can beat those lots. It's gone. Scream about, but very consistent. It's consistent. And that's what I look for in that. Dominoes. And never ever little Caesars. No, I do have a soft spot for little Caesars. Oh, I think I'd rather be hungry. No, you haven't had their their little cups pizza cups. No, what is a pizza cup? Pretty much the best invention in the world. Like you think pizza couldn't get better. And those guys at Little Caesar said, let's reinvent the pizza. In a cup. You can eat. So the pizza cup,

1:19:53I don't know what it's really called, but I'm gonna call it a pizza. Okay, I really liked the name. It's a I also look at what it's called, but it is a muffin pan. Okay. And then you put all the dough in the little muffin compartment. Right. And then you put some sauce in the middle. You push down a hole in the middle. You can sauce and cheese in the middle. And then that's your shirt. That's how you say it. Really? Okay. So it's like a, it's like a muffin. I would use it or a baby quiche. It's like a quiche. But it is called the Little Caesars crazy puffs. And okay, you have name. I've had them many times. Are they crazy? They are very good. But everything Little Caesar's does is crazy. I think that your explanation was really drawn out when you were explaining how to make them in a muffin pan. Yeah, you were confused. So I spent my life confused. Just tell me to fake it. Then you don't have to explain it. But it's pizza. So it's something very important to me. In a cup. Look at that. Yeah, you know what?

1:20:58That's exactly what I pictured. And look, it's got fresh seasoning on top. Do they all have meat in them? No, you can get them cheese or pepperoni. Okay. Like for a vegan of veggie pizza. Yes. We'd be able to normally get both. I get the cheese to share with Kelly and I get pepperoni for myself. Could they whip up a custom one like a sausage and mushroom? I don't think so. You know why? That would be too crazy. Well, because it's a little Caesar's. It's like pre-made stuff. Yeah. They would have a little box of four. I always was going to ask about the quantity. And little Caesars is the best because of the price. Well, yeah, I mean, they give it a cheat. You can't $3.99 for four bucks. So I get the pizza cups. I don't know what they're called though. Good Lord. But also we never had pizza little Caesars around us since came our close. Right? In Maryland and so it's also a self-spot to now that I have them and I see them for fun. And if you visit a bunch, Josh, I'll buy you a hermit crab.

1:22:01Oh, we've reached the barbie case. I've had to buy the hermit crabs. What parent does it? I know and they die and they smell. Yep. I don't have a crab fan. Before we get to lunch, I do have to say this portion of still talk and brought to you by little Caesars. Don't home of the crazy puff. Don't you wonder why AI found that in interesting conversation? I'm fascinated by it. The whole thing fascinates me that it found anything interesting. I guess it has to set the bar pretty low if they find this interesting. I don't think we can take too much more of this because it is a thrilling recap for us. I'm not sure everyone else is buying into it. I have no idea. But I know the idea is coming up. It is. Oh, okay, go ahead. Let's see how the orc here and it's had to deal with it. Yep. Okay, we're going into the barbie case. We once had the escape permit crab. And two days later, I found him almost to our front door. I wrote it. And I said to

1:23:06Carrey, look at that poor little guy. He almost escaped. He was just dead laying on the floor. Now are you familiar with the ghost crabs? Yes. They've got a lot of ghost crabs here at night. Food settled the stomach at least temporarily. The right brothers had also started a theme that refused to go away. Small aircraft, strange aircraft, and the kind of pilot who treats a blimp like a fighter jet. In Florida, they have a few flying communities, which are where they have a little air strip and then they build up the house. And the houses have a garage. So does the rest of the world, John. And I was working in one and for Volta had a house there, but they kicked them out of the neighborhood because he bought a jet and it was way too loud. Yeah. Well, you know, Wayne Newton keeps a jet at his house because he's right by the airport. Yeah. Or at least he did. I don't think Wayne has quite the way. And if you're buying an airport, that makes sense. But you're in your little neighborhood where you're taking off between houses. You're shaking every house when you take a so true bandage. How great would it be if when you taxi to fun landing, it just took you

1:24:09to your house? That's exactly. That'd be so awesome. And they all have wings that fold up so they can go in the garage door. Better storage. Yes. We are really warm. Yes, we are. I mean, no doubt. I have no interest in learning how to fly a plane. And I'm not sure I'd like a little plane. I don't need to learn how to fly a plane. Have you ever done like a trip on a prop plane? Like a, we're not the smartest. Yeah, like one leg of your trip or whatever. Yeah, I did one from, I guess it was BWI, but it'd have been national two Niagara Falls. And it was tiny. I mean, so small. And I guess it didn't help that Kerry was really, really pregnant. Right. So she was no fun to sit next to. Never too late to try your wife under the bus. And it was one of the people that was one leg of

1:25:13trip. It's surprising. It's always surprising. But I didn't mind it. Hey, I need to learn about the paws. I have no desire to do a helicopter. Yeah, I have. I assume it's twice I've been in a blimp. So let you know where you're trying to drive. I know you've done the blimp. Yeah, I have no desire to do that either. I'd go on a blimp with you because I'd like to watch you a little more. I don't know if I would get sick on a blimp. Yeah, you would. Yeah. It's just like it's like being in a boat. And I don't like boats. Yeah, it's he's sick on a boat. It's like being in a boat without the ability to go fast so the boat goes steady. Yeah, you're always at the mercy of the air. And no ability to fall out of the boat. Right. Exactly. Well, you could fall out of a blimp. And it's also bad if you have a pilot with a screw loose. Yeah, yeah, that once you get one guy, that does a dive bomb. Yeah, but he did fly us low enough over WJFK that Donna might came out and waived and I saw them at the blimp. That's wild. Yeah.

1:26:16That we had a stop set long enough that they could come out and with the day. Oh, do you think we are actually making people want to listen to anyone still with us? I don't know because I want to stay with the I would until we get the arcade. I really do. Well, I believe folks know that we understand what we're giving you right now. Yes. We're letting you behind the scenes completely. Yes. Because this is how we do that. Do you want to be there? Right. We don't know. But this is how we are. I mean, I'm sorry, I can't change that. That's just how we are. So, yeah. Josh picked an Avengers coin pusher. Learned that color balls light the infinity stones in a gauntlet and settled in for the unmistakable sound of too many coins falling at once. All right, what coin drop do you want to go with? I like your Avengers. I think the Avengers is the best one. And I like that there are chairs. Yeah. They didn't provide chairs.

1:27:18And they get easy to get our money. Does this bonus? Yes. Mike, does it have a bonus light up? Yes. Okay, good. All right. And look, if you do more swipes, you get more plays. Okay. So we're giving the system. Okay. Good job. I think this is what color you get. I don't know if it's wrong. I do understand that. Yeah. I could go to life. I'm hearing that voice again. I got a ball somehow. All right, hold on. Here. The coin pusher, people should know. It not only pushes tokens, but it pushes balls and cards. Yes. And if you get the cards, you can collect a full set.

1:28:21But who would ever play the game long enough to get all nine cards charged? We did. Yeah. And had plenty of extras. We, the balls are the infinity stones. So you have to fill up the little blocks. That's right. And if you get all five of the infinity stones, you get a bonus spin that uses the ball. Oh, there's another ball. I'm not having to release one yet. We did so. All right. Stop it. We can't do this to our lovely people. We can't. I think that's just a taste of our weekend. If you want to hear the entire AI generated recap, I don't know what we want to put the whole thing out there. You don't want to put it up? I don't know. Give so stay tuned. It could be just for the founders, you know, there is a moment after the arcade where we come up with our first brilliant still talking idea for 2027. And I'm wondering if we want to reveal that yet. That's the one thing that would make me say don't put that's what that's what I'm saying. I'm saying

1:29:24we're not ready to unveil that yet. Although there was a clue in the bathroom reader segment regarding the product. Believe it or not, it's a topic we discussed. We touched on. And it is a monkey. You know what I want to do? What? I want to do a founders episode where we talk about an announcement and share will not an announcement, but an idea. Yeah. Yeah. Share this idea with the founders because these are the most important people to us. I agree. I want them on and they might be able to help us turn this idea into a reality. To a reality. And everybody will find this to be an absolute delight. Speaking of our founders as we close up here, we've done enough for a show, I think, I mean, probably by what we're in a podcast. So it doesn't matter. You're right. You've got to train me. Please train me. Get me out of this radio thought process. Before we close up here, we're going to end it not because of the time, but because we've literally run out of things to say. That's why we end a podcast. We have an AMA, which means ask us anything. Ask me

1:30:32anything. I guess it would be an AUA. Ask us anything. But we want to entertain your questions for a founders episode. We will answer anything. No all bets are off. No limits. Send it where can they submit their questions for an episode? There's a contact form or at stilltalkinpodcast.com. Right. That's the best place to go. Fill it out there or respond to if you're a founder, respond to any email that you've gotten from us. And that comes back to us as well. Because we do want to entertain your questions. We did post. You did post as a blog, the declaration of principles. So you know what the show is sort of about. But if you have something specific you want to know about, we would love to address it. And also gets us thinking how we want the show to be. Also, founders, make sure you fill out your bio if you want to. I love it. And you do that just by hovering. And you didn't dream it. I think you just hover over your name, right? And it allows you to see the bio. Yeah. However, on the computer tap on the name in the phone. And maybe you'll

1:31:35get an award like the previously mentioned Sam Walker III who won the Golden Pastry award. Congratulations, Sam. No one can ever take that away from you. So yeah, ask us anything. Thank you again to all the founders for your participation. And also don't forget to record your name and your listener number to introduce the show as we want to have listeners introducing every episode. Do I miss anything? No, no. If you want to give a clue for our founders idea, June 17th. That's exactly right. Yeah. My ant line is birthday. Maybe I don't think it is. But even if it is, it'll be because don't mark your calendars. No, do mark your calendars with a big question mark. Like the Riddler would wear on a shirt. Yeah, but I'm not saying we're doing an event that day. No, we're absolutely not saying that day is a, it's a key figure. That's right. All right. I'm so excited because I think most people have figured it out. Do you think so? Nobody's figured it out.

1:32:36I don't think August 6th might confuse them. I'm always confused on August 6th. It's the he... August 6th is more if we let Mike into our idea. Then it'd be in August 6th instead of at June 17th. Now I've forgotten the idea. So we're going to have to talk about it when we finish. This has been the Thursday edition of Still Talking. Thank you, Josh. Thank you. I hope people enjoy that. I hope, hope against hope that people enjoyed it. I think there were portions of the show that were very good. And thank you, Brian Boone. Yes. We're coming on. And the bathroom reader. The all-knowing bathroom reader. There'll be a link to that in our description. Go in by three copies right now and get them by June 17th. Was that a clue? Was that anything? That's a good way to close the show. It's the best I've got. We will talk to you next time so long, everybody. Rob Spewak. Josh Zucker. Still talking.