Winter Ice, The Curling Expert, and AI on Fire

0:00And now, it's the Better With Bourbon Podcast, with Brad Martino and Deacon Palmer. Fast-thinking and smooth-drinking. The views and opinions shared on the Better With Bourbon Podcast are our own and those of our guests. Nothing we discuss should be taken as financial, legal, business or gambling advice. Don't make investment, business, or betting decisions based on our conversations as you should always talk to a qualified professional. Always drink responsibly, never drink and drive, and only consume alcohol if you are of legal drinking age. Come on, I mean, what's wrong with your committee? Oh, it's the percentage of moisture in there. That's what I said when I came home from college one year, my father asked me that. And I got, I give you, I don't know.

1:00He said, no, it's the sweat that accumulates in your balls when you're f***ing your sister-in-law. Oh, relative, yeah. We might have to get way to start this today. All right. Okay, hey, welcome, welcome everybody. Welcome, Mitchell's. It's Better With Bourbon here. We're fast-thinking, meat-smooth, drinking episode five. Today is the 17th of February, 2026. We're in Indiana, Pennsylvania. And the Better With Bourbon Media Studios. How are you living today, Bradley? Living good. Living good, it feels like spring outside. I don't thought about golfing. Yeah, right. First day above 50 degrees we've had, and probably, it's literally been about, been about six, eight weeks, but I think we might have had one day above 50. But yeah, it felt like you could run around with your pants off today just because the sun came out for about 15 minutes. Was that what you were doing on your walk this morning? Heck yeah, man. I mean, yeah, the walk was definitely brisk today. It wasn't slow and plodding. I was really trying to get after it today. We both have some Pennsylvania gear on.

2:02What's your gear? Oh, we do. I got this representing Robert Morris University tonight. They got a beautiful new sweatshirt that I just have to feel like I had to bring on the air. Thank you, Pennsylvania, for Robert Morris. What's the connection to Robert Morris? A couple good friends. Chris King, one of the long-time friends, also a great friend of Eddie Edwards. That's how I met Chris. Yeah, nice, nice. Back in the day and become really good friends with their president, Michelle, and I got to have cigars the other night with a few of the guys. It was awesome. Excellent, excellent. Getting out in the community, seeing people pressing the flesh. What we like to do, mine's not nearly as elevated. This is just, you know, everybody's favorite rock and roll station here in D.V. 102.5, WDV. Rock in the Berg for over 50 years. Yeah, he's got it. Did you fall in and win that or what? No, I just, I always wanted one. I bought it like 30 years ago. Yeah, I mentioned to Alicia, like a little while ago. I'm like, I always wanted one. I never had one. Yeah. Yeah, she actually remembered and picked it up.

3:03I think this was like a, like a, like a 47th birthday present or something like that. Yeah, solid, right? Yeah, that's awesome. So we're drinking. We're drinking this week. We already got the whiskey open this week. We're going to do it a little different. We're going to put the whiskey up front. We are. As a reminder, better with bourbon is found around the idea that everything we do is better with bourbon. We've had a bourbon every week. Weeks one and two. We accidentally had the same bottle at Angel's envy. Had to since we didn't make the cut or our critique of Angel's envy the first time. So we had to do it again. Yeah, we were so, we were so, so spot on with our craft week one. We actually cut out the bourbon segment. So week two, we recreated that. Had Angel's envy again. Week three, Rowan's Creek, which Eddie brought on. That was a, a new favorite at a really reasonable price point. And then last week, the four roses, small batch select, which was super yummy. Yeah. We like that. So, so this week we're doing the Bobby Jones clover collection

4:05bourbon whiskey. Right? This is, this is a whiskey that is not one I've heard of before. I had to do a little dig in to learn about this guy. Where'd we get this one Bradley? Well, it was first introduced to me by a really great friend, Greg Cephas. He often travels down to South Carolina. And it's just, it's actually just still up here up north in Indiana, but bottled and stored down in North Carolina. So you can only buy it. I believe in those states. My correct Barry is that. I think so. I ordered that online. So yeah, that's, so you really can't get this. They had a bourbon club last year. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not contraband, I thought. No. Okay. No, I don't think. No, I probably not. Still taste it. Still taste pretty good. But it has a, has a great golf theme to it. When you, when you talk about the Bobby Jones name, it's much like Arnold Palmer. It's legendary. It's, it's gentleman. It all goes with bourbon, right? So. Well, what golfer doesn't like a, uh, doesn't like a sip at the 19th hole.

5:08I understand that Bobby Jones was, um, known specifically for saying he wanted to enjoy three fingers of whiskey, um, after his, after his standard ground, three fingers being, of course, that's a healthy poor. So looking at, I mean, three fingers is to the top of the ice cube. It is. That's, I mean, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's a professional. That's a great strength for a professional drinker. Great standard. Nobody's really going back on that one. Yeah. At least right in this group. Well, and the clover, the clover is, uh, has some symbolism here as well. My understanding is that he had a medallion that was a gift of his dear old mothers, that he carried with him, um, for every competitive round of golf he ever played after she gave it to him, um, until he quit playing. So that's, that's why the clover, uh, which I thought was kind of nice. That's, that's an awesome story. And boy, that was a lucky clover since he did one of the first grand slam. Yeah. I mean, here's the Mrs. Jones. I wonder where that clover is today. That would be right there on the table in front of you. Well, that's true. But that lucky clover. I mean, I would like to find that one. Yeah, sure.

6:08Kind of like the leprechaun movie. We got to, we got to find the, find the gold, you know. What do you get here? Anything notable? Pretty smooth. It's not, it's not hot. No, it's not. It's very smooth. I mean, what, it's only what 97 proof? Uh, I'm going to see here. Yeah. 92. Yeah, 92. So yeah, it's, it's, it's down on the, on the lower side. So it's, it's a nice smooth drink. Yeah, for a small batch whiskey. That's not all, that's not all that hot. But it is. It finishes nice and sweet in the back. Um, and, uh, you get a little fruit, a little bit of spice. Nothing overly, chemically. No. No, no, nothing, nothing weird. And they're like forest floor. I love it. You get somebody like, I get the truffle and forest floor. Doesn't smell like dirty golf sucks. Yeah, dirty golf. It almost tastes like a rye. It's kind of spicy like a rye. Yeah. Okay. Perry, Perry's a rye drinker, right? He says he's got, he gets a little bit of, a bit of rye finish in there. Yep. He, he doesn't get a rise out of things once. Are we talking about a rye or just rye? Rye. Singular. Oh, gotcha. Well, that's nice. That's nice. Uh, uh, so listen, uh, let's take a drink.

7:08Let's, uh, stoke the fireless reload on this. Uh, we come back. We're going to talk maybe, uh, what, a little bit of sports, a little bit of AI this week. Oh, we definitely have to talk about sports. We got the Olympics in full gear. And it's, it's time to get caught up. Yeah. And we got, we got a very special, very special, um, special guest this week. Buddy of mine, who is, uh, as far as we know it, the world's foremost expert in curling that is not already working on TV this week, uh, is going to come on and educate us on, uh, the ins and outs of, of curling. Um, Jordan Paul is going to be joining us from the nations capital, our first dial-in guest here at, uh, better with barbets, right? Fantastic. Okay. So we're going to take a break. We'll see when we come back. Cheers. Cheers. What happens when work disappears, when money dissolves, and when freedom becomes something you earn, not something you're born with, a new kind of power is rising not a government, not a corporation,

8:12but the algorithm. In the algorithmic state, no jobs, no money, little freedom, Amazon best-selling author, Bradley J. Martino, reveals the world we're stepping into, a world where your reputation is computed, your opportunities are filtered, and your identity is shaped by systems that know you better than you know yourself. This is not science fiction. This is the operating manual of the future forming around us right now. If you want to understand the forces that will define power, belonging, and freedom in the decades ahead, start here. The algorithmic state, no jobs, no money, little freedom, available now on Amazon. And we're back where fast-thinking meets smooth drinking. We're going to talk a little sports today, yeah? Oh, you want to start with golf? I think we should start with golf. There was a big weekend in golf.

9:12Yeah, so this week in the PGA tour, Torstop AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am, which is obviously at the links at Pebble Beach, I was fortunate enough to get to spend a few days at Pebble Beach in November. It was awesome. That's great. Not going to lie. That's right, you did get out there for a couple of days. Yeah, anytime you get to go out there, it's awesome, particularly when it's on somebody else's dime, but you can imagine how that must have felt for Colin Morakawa. Morakawa, who won after a two and a half year hiatus. He hadn't won two and a half years. I didn't realize that, but it was especially sweet for the Morakawa family because they had just announced they have a baby on the way. Very special. Yeah. Although I thought the bigger winner was Keegan Bradley and his amateur partner. Right. Yeah, well that's funny. Mary Meeker, I actually think it's funny you said it. So Morakawa, $3.6 million for the win. Maybe more interestingly, Keegan Bradley and his partner, Mary Meeker, win the Pro Am.

10:13So I had some questions about this. Yeah. Who is Mary Meeker? Yeah, thank you, Cardi. That's great. So, yeah, Mary Meeker is 90s internet guru. She was a big time at Morgan Stanley back when Web1.0 was going public and had done significant work on Google Amazon and Netscape deals when she was part of the investment bank there. Then left and joined VC firm, Cliner Perkins, and started doing this thing called the Internet Trends Report, which is essentially like a newsletter for Silicon Valley Insider. Is she single and can we hook her up with Luke? Always the question, right? Yeah, I mean, worth a call. We're going to send her a text here. See if we know what time she'll pick up the phone. Anyway, so she, but yeah, Cliner Perkins, she has her hands on everything. Spotify, Airbnb, Square, Instacart. I mean, beautiful. So, yeah. So I was also interested in understanding.

11:14I mean, so I guess. Very respected. Yeah, I don't know what the connection was between she and Keegan Bradley other than they both have double E's in their name, Meeker and Keegan. Yeah. So he finished 29th, which is good for a cool 125k for him for the weekend, which isn't bad. But after the duty text in California. Yeah. What's the net equation on that? Yeah, right. I wanted to know what did he pick up for winning the Pro Am? I thought it would be something more impressive than what it was. Any guess, Perry? What do you think they, they tack on his, his regular paycheck, 125k? What's he get for winning the Pro Am? 50k? Yeah, no. It's a 15 grand. 15 grand. It probably doesn't pay the profit just to get them. Right. Seriously, 15 grand. I mean, it's really underneath the amateur level since it's really kind of playing with an amateur. I guess, but I mean, but she is definitely just lady is definitely no amateur. She is above all the way around. You clearly explore the game. She has a golf game, which I love. She probably makes more than that in one hour. Probably.

12:14I mean, seriously, she's right. She had to, she's taking a hit coming out playing for the day. But just visiting back on what we talked about last week, remember Chris got her up one last week. Yep. Second win, hottest player in the game. Thursday opens up at Pebble. Dude shows up after winning last week and birdies six in a row. Yeah. That's Pebble Beach. That's called a hot streak. I mean, you're on fire. I mean, this kid obviously is in the zone, which. God, I love, I've never been there, you know, then maybe once or twice in basketball. And that was like a fluke. But to be there in that zone, you know, and he has an Indiana connection, too. What? No, what is? So Matt Haluuta, yeah, a good friend, Chris Haluuta's son played at Rutgers and sort of, sort of got her up and they, and they played together. Oh, okay. And so, you know, you know, it's, it's really cool to see, you know, that, that one degree of separation coming into play and, and now making a huge splash on the PGA. Homeboy is number five in the world rankings.

13:16So here's two. Well, and Matt could be right there, too. I mean, he's that good. He, he is really good, you know. It's just that sometimes it's a, it's timing. We got to bounce this way when blows this one. Yeah. That's right. Switch that one. It is. So here's two, here's two, our friend, Chris Conrad. That's right. Keep it rolling brother. Okay. There's, there's another story that we have to talk about, too, that came out of golf this morning. Yeah, what else you got? And it's, it's, it's more of a, one of those feel good. And he played really good golf. I'm not trying to take away the fact that he played great golf because he beat, you know, Bryson and he beat John Rom, shot 2300, but Anthony Kim. But you're talking live. Yeah, I'm talking live. Yeah, I know. It's not the, I know it's not the traditional tour. You know, he, he disappeared from the, the, Hey, you're right on the camera. He, he disappeared right from, uh, That's our friend. Yeah. That's what you get for having. He disappeared from the tour additions. Just like our club, we're disappeared off, off the script there. Yeah. The bourbon, bourbon, bourbon was really sick. And, yeah. And, you know, he was having some hard, he was having struggles. Yeah. He hasn't come out and said exactly what he had. He said he had some addiction issues.

14:16He was, he was, you know, fighting that. Uh, he said some of the folks that were closest to him were taking advantage of him. And so he fought back. And, and he really kind of went dark for a while. And he fought back, came back on to the live tour. That was his first. And maybe his only ability to come back and play golf at that point. Because the PJ may have been out of reach. And here he is. Uh, one of his very first golf shots on the first tournament back was a shank. And he's a big believer in the 1% getting better. 1%. 1%. So, you got to wonder if there's space for him in the, uh, in the masters. If he's, if he's, if he's, if he's gotten, gotten all the way back there yet. Well, and that's one of the questions that's floating around, uh, today, uh, on the, you know, it does, does he have an income to qualify? So, let's, let's see. Maybe he does. And I would like to see him, you know, playing on the big stage with, with everybody. Well, that's not, that's uplifting. Uh, thanks for bringing it up. Uh, I always point out how much money everybody made. Bradley here brings it back down to earth. Well, he made four million. It wasn't, it didn't, yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't like that.

15:16Yeah, right. I don't believe it had the California tax either. He was done in Australia. So I'm not sure what that means, but, uh, all right. So, uh, Olympics, right? Uh, metal count, metal counts so far in the Olympics. We got Norway. Um, and this is, uh, gold, silver bronze, 13, seven, nine for total of 29 Italy, home country, best showing ever for a home country in the winter Olympics. I, I've come to understand, um, eight gold, four silver, 11 bronze, total of 23 USA, comes in third with six, eight, five for a total of 19. Remember, I set up kind of a, a straw man USA against Canada when we started early on. Canada is not even in the top 10. They're, they're, they're three gold, um, four silver, five bronze for a total of 12. They're not even, not even in the top 10, which is, which is weird. Canada's having a rough, uh, a rough go. It's going to come down to the hockey. Yeah, it's going to come down to the hockey game really. It's going to be, that's going to be our, they're pretty darn. Wouldn't it wouldn't be awesome if we could just get in position and just play spoiler? I mean, it's just, I mean, that's obviously where everybody's going right now. I was shocked that Sydney got the captain of the Canadian team. Well, I mean, he's, I mean, he's the, yeah, right.

16:18You were shocked, right? Okay, right. Well, there was some, that was actually some controversy there because of, uh, uh, Connor McDavid, a lot of people thought, but I mean, that's not the criteria that you use to choose the captain. It's character, leadership, things like that. There was nothing against McDavid, but yeah, McDavid would never, he would never allow himself to be called captain if, uh, if Sydney were playing. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. So those guys, those guys get it right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a different swing. I'm in all the other side. They're solid, I think. I'm pretty sure they're under mustache. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's, that was, that was the line. Yeah. Right. He's definitely all pro, uh, all pro in the mustache department. I had, I myself had a really great shape today. I don't know if the lights. Um, I got, I was, I was, again, I was, I was, uh, motivated by, uh, that, that skate and kids, uh, skincare regime. I was trying to, trying to duplicate that. I can't quite get it. Yeah, I can't quite get it. Did you reach out? No, I mean, he's busy right now. I mean, he's still, he's still, I think they're still over there. Hey, there's funny thing. Speaking of still be over there, were you aware that, um, that, uh, they ran out of

17:18condoms? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you, did you get some of the stats on this? Yeah. You heard the 300,000 that they allocated. And they, they had, no, they had, okay, in, in Paris, they had 300,000 condoms allocated. And now that's not great. And that's summer Olympics and bigger teams. But it at least trying to save money, only 10,000 condoms. That's all they gave them. Yeah, they ran through that in the first three days. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was gone the first night. That was the happy hour count to condoms. Yeah. Right. Is it like a competition or what? Is that a, is that a metal event? Like, and you would have met all that event. No, no, but you know what's funny is if it's either, you know, you, you, you, you definitely know that somebody was like, hey, I think there's a shortage. So then everybody else is like stocking up just in case. Right. So you know, our, we're going to talk about our curling team. You know, our curling teams got a lot of like nerd, like nerd star power with them. I bet you those guys knocked up early because they knew they weren't going to be done until late. But we'll come back and talk about them in a minute, right? I just think the next Olympics in about 20 years is going to be amazing. The Winter Olympics, that is. Yeah. Why? Because there's no condoms.

18:19Okay. So a couple other fun, fun facts about the Olympics so far. We mentioned Breezy Johnson in her gold medal before, but great name. Come to find out that her, her boyfriend apparently proposed. Hey, after she, you know, was like right there on the, on the, on the, off the, off the metal stand. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Good timing. Yeah. Is there any better time than when you're coming off with gold? I mean, I guess not. I hope that I'm, she said yes. But apparently he, he's a swifty or, or she's a swifty. And um, he had the, the words, uh, who are we to fight the alchemy on, on, on the, on the, the, the wedding band, right? So, uh, no word of a prenup. Right. Yeah. But for all you swifties out there, just, just, just now, um, give me, me behind them all. I, you know, it's not lost on me anyway. You get, you have a, you have a favorite, uh, Taylor Swift song? No. I don't want to. Hey, you will, you will, you will soon because some of the, some of them are really good. You got to shake it off every now and again. Okay. So, uh, what else was fun? Uh, uh, this is great.

19:19Men's giant slalom skiing. Turns out a Brazilian guy won. Yeah. Who'd have figured that, right? Brazilian dude wins giant slalom. I mean, that is hilarious. How do the, like, do they, they don't have snow there, do they? But, I guess the mountain, maybe up, uh, the guy you're thinking of my friend. They're not like, uh, like ski resorts in Brazil. I wouldn't think. It is very athletic. I mean, they figured out real quick. Well, that was fun. And then we also had another one. You, you've heard of this guy, Benjamin Carl. Yeah. Um, this was this guy, um, solidified. He's the oldest gold medal winner in history at 40 years old. Um, he won this thing called the parallel giant slalom, which apparently is a snowboarding event. But, uh, took a, took a shirt off and rolled around in the ice, uh, you know, 40 to celebrate the fact that he's the oldest. Well, I'm sure our listeners, the oldest gold medalist of all time. I'm sure our listeners have seen that Perry entered the double lose and decided to. Yeah, we rewrote the rules and tried and tried to figure out the aerodynamics that gives him, you know, the cutting edge. It turns out face to face works best. A little bit.

20:19Yeah, it's team play, you know. We call it missionary. Is that a new event totally or is that just a variation on the same old? I don't know. It's a made up bread. Yeah. It's a made up, made up Brad Martino event. Right. Exactly. Well, so, so how about this, uh, the French judge who, uh, who pulled the shenanigans in the ice dancing? The French judge robbed our, our, our Americans, uh, I guess, uh, yeah, right. But, uh, did you, did you hear about this? Um, apparently the, the French judge, um, overscored the French pair that won the gold and underscored the US pair that won this over. Um, and apparently this happened in the world championships as well. And they still invited, uh, that's ridiculous. It's time to bring in AI judges. Yeah. Actually, that's not a bad idea. I mean, honestly, I, you know, why, why would you not? Right? Why do we still have humans calling balls, balls and strikes in, uh, MLB? Right. The error rate, the error rate. So, so it's so high. It's so easy to fix. Oh, yeah. It's so easy. Right.

21:19Totally. So, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, I mean, does having a human line judge make a tennis match, a tennis match. Or not event. Like, is it, is it, would the game be different if there were no umpire standing back there? Would you still have an umpire in there just to set the visual for the picture? I think. I used to watch tennis in the 70s just to watch Mac and Roast scream at them. So the answer is no. It was a short short story. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but I mean, uh, AI should absolutely be judging these things. I mean, they're so subjective. Yeah. And there's, there's too much on the line. There is a sponsorship dollars and we got, yeah. Penal of one says, yeah. And you can go across all sports on that. You can go across, you know, basketball. You can go across football. Totally. Baseball. It all can be now a geofence to into the, the AI space and figured out, you know. Well, I, you know, some of the, some of the performance from the NFL, uh, NFL reps this year, uh, would call for AI school as possible. I mean, they just, well, it's not just, it's not just the fact that the rules change every year.

22:20But what's a catch? What's not a catch? Yeah. What's illegal contact? What's a personal foul? I mean, just set some damn rules and let's live by them for a couple of years, but we trashable. And then you think that the quick review by, or the automatic review that was going up was going to fix it and somewhat in a dent. So you still feel as a fan that there's still some subjective play and, you know, going on. And that's, it doesn't leave you with a good feeling, especially if you're betting on the game. Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. And now that we're going to bet on everything, apparently, forever. And some questions about, uh, some of these odds markets bets. People are starting to ask the same questions. We're asking, um, we're going to have to do a deeper dive on some of the calcium and, uh, and the like some of the odds market stuff. Because I don't really know that much about it. And I want to trash it just by nature of the fact that I'm stocking bond guy and all that shit. So ultra regulated. Well, let's, let's dedicate an episode to it. Well, yeah, well, yeah. We'll come back and do this. But okay, so big winner for the Olympics so far. Who knew who Jordan Stoltz was two weeks ago? No, but they do know. Wisconsin. Yeah, right. Wisconsin proud there.

23:20Oh, Wisconsin. That's another Wisconsin, Wisconsin shot. That's good. Well, this kid 21 years old, he's definitely going to come away from the Olympics with one of these major sponsors, right? I mean, and if it's like, he's, apparently he's like as middle American as it gets, he's reliable. Nothing flashy about him. He drives a car with 300,000 miles on it. Apparently, it's an old Honda. So he's like, he's now been like rolled into like the Honda. Yeah, I guess he's a real. He's real conservative with everything he uses. He, you know, he even still is using that same condom. He started with the first night. He's going to take all 10,000. Let's hope that's worth it. Let's hope that doesn't flash back on. Okay, so you said you said he's from Wisconsin. You're from Wisconsin. I am. You know, who else is from Wisconsin? Who's that? This is great, the great segue. My man, Jordan Paul, who is our resident curling expert. Well, that makes a lot of sense. You know, why the ice and why the passion? Yeah, right. So thankfully, like you, Jordan, escaped his home state

24:20and is actually a rather worldly mother these days. There's nowhere he hasn't been. But when we come back after a quick break, we're going to dig in on curling specifically some of the controversy around what's happening with those Canadians. And, you know, not only learn about the game, but get some predictions on what's going to happen with some of these gold medal matches. Yeah. Cheers. We'll be back with Jordan in a minute. What happens when work disappears? When money dissolves? And when freedom becomes something you earn, not something you're born with. A new kind of power is rising not a government, not a corporation, but the algorithm. In the algorithmic state, no jobs, no money, little freedom, Amazon best selling author, Bradley J. Martino reveals the world we're stepping into, a world where your reputation is computed,

25:21your opportunities are filtered, and your identity is shaped by systems that know you better than you know yourself. This is not science fiction. This is the operating manual of the future forming around us right now. If you want to understand the forces that will define power, belonging, and freedom in the decades ahead, start here. The algorithmic state, no jobs, no money, little freedom, available now on Amazon. All right, and we are back better with bourbon where fast they can be smooth drinking. They're lost there a little bit. I was looking at Perry's bunny ears. They were mesmerizing. Happens every show. You guys might notice we have those of you who are watching, visually notice we got some new equipment on here. It's just this, this things become in the neighborhood. We have a headset on. Yeah, you have two on.

26:21Don't you, can't, don't you enjoy the sound? It sounds so much better. No, it makes us sound like we really know. This is what I hear whenever I'm, it's remarkable. I feel like I'm Princess Lea. Yeah, right. So we left off noting the state of Wisconsin. Brad is originally from where? Wisconsin. Yeah, what town? I was bored. Yeah. Give me a ton to work with here. Yeah, right. We're never going to get there. If I keep going this down this path. No, I was born in Shabuigan. My family is from around the Elkhart Lake area. Got it. Went to elementary school and keel. It's a very small off-shoot. Okay. Beautiful, beautiful country out there. I want to bring in my other great friend from the beautiful state of Wisconsin, Jordan Paul, who is a resident of the District of Columbia these days, a long time beltway insider. And you, I think the term Jordan, do we got you there? Can you hear me? Yes, I'm here. I'm here. Soft describes swamp monster. That's what you're doing. That's exactly right.

27:21That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a little bit of background on Jordan. Jordan was a grad of Wake Forest with me and the rest of the acupella team, although he was not part of the acupella group. He was like fan number like two or three. So he was on the deliver on the roses when he said all the flowers came down. Yeah, yeah, exactly. One of our number one fans. Yeah, so so it didn't end there. I mean, when I was homeless, Jordan took me in. You know, he has fed me. Jordan is possibly the best red individual I've ever met. And just from a sheer intellectual horse power, he operates on a different level. So when I knew that we needed somebody to come in and kind of describe something that is as complicated as curling, there was only one man for the job given both his place of birth and just general cognitive capabilities. Well, his Wisconsin background definitely fits that mold. So I can understand that. And you said he also has a passion for curling. So I'm interested to hear and learn. Jay, what do you got?

28:21Tell us about your passion. How does your passion for curling start? Well, curling. So I'm from a very small town in central Wisconsin, even though it was a small town, we had three curling rings. I love it. So we would, you know, part of, you know, fizzed, you know, occasionally in the winter, was, you know, go to the curling rink. My cousin actually grew up across the street from the curling rink. Nice. So I've been around curling most of my life. And, you know, curling recreationally is a great fit on the better with Bourbon podcast because it's really an excuse to drink, you know, every curling club has a bar. A lot of a lot of people, you know, drink while they play. I think that's become less. I love our reputation. Now that curling is bigger, you know, you used to be able to smoke in the curling rink. I think that's probably, I think that's probably passed to. But it's not that different than that in a Midwestern bowling league. Yeah, right. You're talking our language now. Right.

29:21So you as an aficionado of, you know, I think I'd mentioned in the prior podcast, you, like, when we had questions about middle-aged man activity slash sports, it was kind of a, you know, it's up in there between you and Corona. Like, if there was a rules question, like, would you have the answer? Would Tommy Corona have the answer? Would this stretch from like things like curling and golf to bowling to ping pong to shuffle board? Exactly. And none of us have gotten into our shoes. That's probably coming. That's right. That's right. So, so this is, you know, this is not a joke. The competitive fires, you know, can be stoked. Something like curling, right? So tell us, tell us about a little bit about the game. Like, I don't really understand the game. It seems like there are sets or kind of frames or innings or whatever the fuck. What, what, tell, how do you score? What's the basics? So it originates like most great things in Scotland. So Scotland's given us golf curling in the television, which is, you know, pretty good. Great call. You know, you know, you know, pretty good start to contribute into a, you know, 21st century culture.

30:25I will drink to that. It's traditionally played with eight stones per team that are thrown each end. Okay. And they've changed the rules slightly to make the game more enjoyable for everybody. And so what you do is, you know, the first person leads off and they generally, they throw one down there. And you're not allowed to knock that stone out until after four stones have been played. So you get a little action before you start banging things around. Yeah, that's actually really good. Thanks for clearing that up. Keep going. That's, that's helpful already. So you can't knock it out until four stones have been played. Good. Until four stones are played. And then, you know, the, the beauty of curling is, is the simplicity of the game. Is there's a button and you see, you'll see a little dot and it's got the Olympic logos around it. Whatever stone is closer to that gets a point. And you can have, you know, up to eight stones, you know, you can score up to eight. That doesn't really happen at the highest levels of the game.

31:28But generally, the team that goes last has the biggest advantage. Right. Because they throw the last stone and the team that goes last has said to have the hammer. And they're expected to win one, two or three points, depending on how the end plays out. How do they determine the team that the hammer has scored? It goes to the other team. And then they play for 10 ends. And at the end, they added up and you see who wins. But it's, it's like golf in that it's a gentleman's game. And so you cannot play the ninth end or the 10th end. You can say, I, you know, I'm too far down, shake hands, games over. The player is largely officiate themselves. Right. You know, if they, if they kick a stone or if the broom hits a stone, they call, you know, they say, ah, you know, I hit the stone. And then the two teams just adjudicate how they want that handled. They can move the stone back. They can remove the stone. And the teams kind of officiate themselves. So that became controversial. Yeah, right.

32:28So should we still in the small world of curling? There was some controversy. Should we ask about that now? Since it's timely. So what the hell happened with this thing where the Canadian yelled. Fuck you with the. No, he said go fuck yourself. Yeah, that was. I mean, I watched the whole video. What an uncanadian thing to do on the biggest stage. He didn't even follow up with a. A. Yeah, that's right. Was it was it over the controversy of him? Yeah, there's a double touch. So Jordan, what the hell is a double touch? And why would somebody do this on the biggest stage for, for curling ever? Well, the Canadian cheated. That's why he was angry. He cheated. Okay. So I don't recognize that. And I don't know curling rules because I'm figuring when he leaves your hands, you can't touch it again. It's kind of like the double hit a golf used to be. Even though now we can double hit as many times as you want all the way to the hole. So what was he trying to do, Jay? So, you know, the one thing you can't do in curling kind of like I was saying before, is you can't touch the stone. So when you, when you, when you throw the stone, you hold it by the handle. And then you, you turn it out or you turn it in or you throw it hard down the ice,

33:31depending on the kind of shot that you want to play. But you don't touch the actual stone itself. You're just touching the plastic handle. Right. And. So homeboy did that on purpose to gain an advantage, you think, yeah? Well, he did because he could, he could evaluate, I think, after he released it, how much more he needed to add to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. He said a little bit more on it. And if we can, Jay, if we should slap additional tariffs on the Canadian. We can cover that. Yeah. I'm sure they're coming. We'll get to that point shortly, Jim. Yeah. Keep going. But they're not even on the top 10 right now. So it would just be pounding on them. Yeah. But he was, you think he was trying to gain advantage by touching his, you know, his little. Touching his stone. He's touching his stones, man. On the, on the stone. Yeah. It's, it's hard to believe that he wasn't trying to get an advantage because there's no other real reason that you would do it. Yeah. And, you know, but the thing about it is is curling isn't really officiated. So nobody could, you know, he was accused of doing it. And he was definitely doing it. But there wasn't a natural umpire or referee.

34:31Well, maybe we just created a new job. Looking at the game. Yeah. That's Sweden they were playing against. I think it was. Yeah. Because the story I read said that the two guys that were trading verbal jabs back and forth or friends, like that they've known each other for years. But obviously the tension got the best of them. At least the Canadian because the Swedish guy was pretty mellow. It's like, hey, you know, we saw you do it. It's on video. Wow. Could you imagine? So that's really interesting. And I guess these guys. They're trying to get called romancing this stone. Yeah. Right. But if you're not playing in front of cameras, nobody would ever, nobody would ever call you on your bullshit. If you were just doing that, like, that's true. Yeah. Right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you have to agree on the fault. And you kind of have to declare it yourself in the game. No one's really officiating the game. Well, it's time to bring the officials in. Okay. So Jay, that joust was, how would you, I mean, like, how would you characterize the just the verbal outburst by one, two countries that are known for their, their manners.

35:41But two on the, on the stage, is this just a matter of pressure? Or is this like normal for curling? We've just never seen it before. Not normal. I mean, there is some, depending on the players, you can, you can definitely run your app a little bit in curling. You're, you're standing right next to the other team. If you want to tell them that you don't think they're doing so hot, you can. Okay. So there might be like a Gary, Gary Peyton kind of, I'm going to talk trash and get in your head kind of moment. And, you know, sports of sports, right? I mean, you look at the countries that are great at curling, Scotland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Canada. Yeah. You know, you don't get a lot of it. But, but it can happen. But you know, the scots, the scots are first class trash talkers. I mean, you notice, I mean, the best trash talkers of all time, I mean, come on. The best trash talkers, probably the Italians, or maybe the Irish, right? I mean, who, who, who, who couldn't, I mean, is it the Italians? The Italians are elite, but no one understands the Irish. The Irish are, yeah, okay. Coming from an Irishman, the Irishman in studio, Jordan, says the Irish are the, are the, are the all time, all time trash talkers.

36:45But, yeah, it's a close, it's a close. None of them are competing for gold and curling. Well, maybe we should have a competing race and trash talking. I mean, that should be just a summer and Olympic, or winter Olympics sport. So, Jordan, talk to me about some of the, the very strong star power and kind of nerd force coming off our men's team here in the US. This kid, Danny Casper, is a bit of a sicko. Is he not? I mean, 24 years old. I mean, 24. I mean, you know, he, taking over for, for our long time skip, you know, John Schuster. Yeah. Who went to five Olympics, one gold in, in, in South Korea, you know, five in the morning, Deakin and I were texting. What were we talking about? Yeah. What were you talking about, five in the morning, Deakin? That was a 24 year old. And, and there's a lot of hope for his team, you know, that they're in their 20s. Yeah. And, and kind of, you know, going back to the controversy, you know, most of these teams are professionals. The scouts are professionals, the Swedish are professionals, the multiple professional Canadian teams.

37:47And they play, you know, across Canada, and they have, you know, big, big gigantic events. And the hope is that, you know, Casper's team will also become a professional team. No kidding. So our kids are just like bullshit beer drinkers. They just like are drinking thrown stones, you know, and being the best in the world. That's it, and they can't, and they've done it. I'd be, I'd be tensed too. I'd be yelling motherfucker. You know, the game, we're recording this on a, on a Tuesday, the game tomorrow is the four and four American team versus the four and four Scottish team. They're called Great Britain and the Olympics, but, you know, those are the scouts. So that's going to be a banger right there, right? And the scouts were heavy favorites to, you know, to make the playoffs. And whoever wins this game probably gets into the metal round. Yeah, Jay. Okay, who do we have to watch out for on the scouts? Do they have anybody with some star power like, like our kid Casper or what?

38:47Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, the scouts are our world class. World class. Man, I can't wait. Apps, you know, Bruce Moat, you know, Grant Hardy, Bobby Lamy, you know, Hamming McMillan. You know, they've been together for a long time. They're on the professional circuit. They got chemistry like Brad and Perry have. Right. Right. It looks a little. They got silver in, in 2022, in Beijing. Yeah. And, you know, they're four and four. Okay. So, you know, they haven't had the round robin that they were expecting to have. They were expecting the sale through to the metal rounds. So if these guys were NCAA athletes, they'd say they've faced adversity. They definitely face adversity. They definitely, they're definitely favorites. Definitely favorites over T over over Casper and squad. But, you know, the thing about, you know, curling is, yeah, if they played ten times, you know, the scouts would win seven, but they're only going to play once.

39:49That's right. That's why they play the game. Right, Brad? That's why they play the game. Yeah. Okay. So Jordan, your span of knowledge is vast. I'm very appreciative of you sharing everything you know with our audience. Here's what everybody really wants to know. Who is the hottest gal in the game right now in the curling game? Who's the hottest chick? You know, I was watching Team Italy yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. That's the answer. That's it. The chick that played against the Americans, the mixed doubles, the Italian gal that's from Cortina. Yeah, she's really cute. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cardi has something he wants to chip in. Oh, shit. Here we go. This should be. No, no, no. I just, I just were thinking, you know, you're asking about curling and who the good luck and I've been sitting there with my wife watching everything from the skiing to the speed skating. Yeah, everything.

40:49And these, all these babes and these tight uniforms, I mean, what's up? I have to do everything to, I mean, I want to say, boy, I'd like to, and I can't because my wife's sitting there. I mean, come on, curling. No, no, no, no, you guys are watching the wrong events. Hey, more attention to the curling. I wonder how Cardi's feeling about looking at the Perry's long legs and those fishnet stockings and 13 stilettos. Hey, you don't know what's going on behind the table here. Jordan, listen, anything you want to, you want to leave Brad and Perry with and parting anything? I mean, I doubt this will be the last time we talked to you. No, we're definitely going to have him back. Yeah, Jordan will be back. I mean, we could cover all kinds of stuff with Jordan. I mean, you could just throw a topic out. What all topics is he an expert on? Jordan Perry is interested. What else could you talk to us about? Well, I think we should, I mean, curling, it's the most interesting. Of course.

41:49I think it's a, you know, I love it. It's a great sport to watch. You wouldn't think watching something that moves that slow would be that exciting until they get those little brooms out. Chest while standing on the, yeah, I love it. I love it. So what my hope for better with bourbon is that in the 2030 winter Olympics in France, the better with bourbon has a hospitality house for the people who appreciate the curl. That's right. We'll be awesome. We're working on it, buddy. Yeah, well, we'll definitely have to do that. And then you'll have to have you there. He'll be a resident. Yeah, he's going to be a resident. Give him the updates as they go along. Call an expert. That's right. Exactly. You can host the podcast from there. You know, people will, and curling by far is the most, is the most popular sport with, you know, CNBC, Fox Business. You know, they love everybody loves the girl. We got, we got, what's up, Cardi? We got Cardi. All right, Jordan.

42:49Listen, we insist that you come up to Indiana, Pennsylvania and party with us at some point. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy in the world. And yeah, we want you to come up here. We really, really do. And if you don't, you know, Deakin's already given me your dress. I'll leg your damn house. So get up here. I'll throw one of the curly stunts to your house. So Jay, we might have to, when Tyler comes up for the, for the, for the annual, additional, yeah, the invitational, you might have to, you might have to hop in. Yeah, you might have to hop in. That would be cool. I mean, I mean, looking forward to it. Yeah, Pennsylvania misses you, brother. And hey, thank you, thank you to your misses for giving us the time you've given us. Yeah, best of care. Yeah, thanks, Jordan. You got it. Thanks for your time, Jordan. I appreciate it. So should, should we, should we come, take a break, come back and sign the sky off? Yeah, we'll be right back.

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44:51The algorithmic state, no jobs, no money, little freedom, available now on Amazon. Okay, we're back. The bourbon barometer is falling, which means our BAC is rising, cheers. We want to talk a little bit about anthropics, since we haven't really talked much business today. There's been some headlines about anthropic raising a little bit of money recently. There's been a little bit of chatter about their CEO. He's a bit of a cook, a little bit of chatter about their product and how it's different from others in the marketplace. I kind of relate this to you. Yeah, you like it. I do. It's easy. I actually wrote an article on how ASI could take over the world. Hold on. Let's say I'm just saying he gets down that path. Well, so anthropic is a company that has a large language model that is a competitor to open AI's chat GPT and Google's Gemini.

46:01I'm very, very rightfully so since Dario came from open AI and did number two and number three for open AI. That's right. Yeah. Okay, right. So Dario is an engineer, Stanford trained engineer comes from a biology background instead of a computer science background. But he was at open AI and was the guy responsible for their version two and version three releases. They're now in version five. But he has a little bit of a different personality and he had some differences with Sam Altman, right? Who is the guy? If you remember, we told you about Sam Altman earlier. He runs open AI. Thanks, buddy. Oh, yeah. Nice. So, um, there we go. So, Sam Altman was kind of, uh, he was kind of. He was a memo that we're going to need. He was kind of Silicon Valley salesperson number one and was push, push, push with AI.

47:01We'll worry about the safety after we have a problem, kind of mindset. And Dario was the opposite of that. He's the guy who always wants to step on the brakes and say, we need to understand it before we take it to production, right? And I can relate with Dario on that because I feel like we all should be stepping on the brakes before we go too fast because what we're dealing with AI is very impressive and it's getting so much better by the day. And even as he continues his dialogue, I mean, you just look at the last few conversations he's had in the press the last couple of weeks. And, you know, he's fighting with the department of state over whether or not they want to take the safeguards that he has off. So, they can do what they need for mass surveillance or, you know, mass weapons. He's very cautious and I give him credit for that. He might be a little cookie, but he's very cautious. Well, I think this conversation that you're highlighting is performative on both sides.

48:01He's doing a performance saying, look how concerned I am. And the DOD is performing, saying, look how woke you are and if you don't unwoke yourself, we're going to give the contract to somebody else. I mean, it's right. Well, they're both right. They're both right. I mean, they're both right. But the reality is... Well, and if you talk to anthropic, they said they haven't actually been approached by this exact conversation yet. They've only tipped on it a little bit and it's only been on the ancillary. So, I'm not sure they've really dug deep into that conversation yet, so I'll give them credit on that. Well, here's what's said to me is that the headline has nothing to do with why anybody would be having this conversation with anthropic in the first place, right? Isn't this just another large language model? Don't we have seven or eight of these? What the fuck? Why do we care about this? They do. Opus Sonnet. Why do they have two names when everybody else just has one, right? So should we talk about the problem?

49:02I think we should. Okay, so the reason they're on the news this week is because they just got a series G funding for $30 billion, which values anthropic at $380 billion, which is about half the size of OpenAI. This is a massive windfall for everybody that's been involved in these guys because they're still private. Dario is now worth $7 billion based on this new windfall that just happened this week. So this is significant for a lot of people. Yeah, and from a financial perspective, these guys, you can remember we talked about OpenAI and ChatGPT specifically achieving a $20 billion annual run rate. So that's a number if you take that what they did in the last month, running over 12 months, they get 20 billion. Well, anthropic is about 14 billion. So you can see they're not terribly far behind OpenAI and ChatGPT. But you know what's the most impressive about anthropic? Yeah, tell me. Three years ago. Yeah, there was zero. It's exactly right. Yeah, it's exactly right. And they're 10 times each year over and over.

50:04It's one of the fastest growing in its rate along with OpenAI as we talked about the other day. They have 10X their revenue three years in a row. Yeah. So three years in a row, they've grown 1,000%. And that crazy. So that's how somebody goes from being worth no money a handful of years ago to being worth $7 billion. I also think this is how you go from being a tool, an agendic tool, to being an actual operating system. And I think that's where they're trying to lead to. Well, that's really interesting. So when you say agendic tool, this is one of the places where we can actually talk in a little bit of specificity about what's different from Claude, Opus, and Sonnet, and their platform versus a ChatGPT. ChatGPT has one engine, and this is one large language model, right? So when you ask it to do something, you ask it to do that thing by typing or providing information into the context window. And that's the thing that you type in. It's like the type bar when you're going to... We call it the search bar for Google Bar, right? Yeah, you'd call it the Google Bar. Well, that context window is more important than just kind of what you write in it.

51:06That defines how many parameters the model can handle at one time. So you could load, for instance, a bunch of PDF files into the context window all at one time. And it can search up to, if you're ChatGPT, about 400,000 tokens worth of content at one time. What does that mean? And what does that mean? That means you could load 10 PDF documents all at one time, and it would be able to consume that all at one time and understand it. So the token goes based on the size of the document, right? Yeah, a token. That's actually a token. A token, 100,000 tokens is about what? It's about 175 words. Am I saying that right? Yeah, right. At this book, that's very close. I'm sorry, 1,000 tokens is 175 words. So it's about 1.3 tokens per word if we're looking at it and kind of an old school search kind of paradigm. But what's interesting about the Opus and Sonnet model versus just the ChatGPT,

52:10you just put all that information in there, is that if you're using GPT to do something like write a book or you're loading a bunch of PDF documents in there to do academic research, like we're doing with the DOT, federal highways. There is a problem of hallucination where when it's consuming all that information, it does so kind of outside of the context of what you're asking it to do. And it just scans all that information from start to finish and then it will act on whatever you're prompting it to do. With Opus and Sonnet, it's different. Opus is kind of like a brain that orchestrates what it is you're asking it to do. And Sonnet are kind of like the hands that do the tasks over and over again. So Opus is like what do we need to do and it will optimize for you if you ask it something like, you know, read all these PDFs and cite all the places that are important to my research. It will not only go figure out what's important your research but it will make recommendations to you that you might have missed. Say, hey, even though it's not explicitly in your research, it should be so you should reference these as well.

53:11So it will not only do the task but it'll get underneath and figure out are you asking the question for a particular reason. So do you think jet GPT open AI lost a really good player when he kind of figured out the two parts system here? Oh, no question. But this is the, I mean, I think this is that well, there's two ways to answer this question. Number one is what happened when he left? There was clearly a schism, right? Sam Altman has been accused of going too hard and pushing too fast by a lot of people, including those that have made financial commitments to him. Right. So that shouldn't be a surprise. But the other one is is like when you think about when you think about the nature of what you want AI to do. Predicting what the next word is in a chatbot format and answering a question faster than Google can is a first order use case, right? But we're getting beyond that. That's so far in the back. Yeah, it's the orchestration of multiple use cases to achieve a goal where each of those agents might be doing something with blinders on that has nothing to do with any of the other agents are doing this opus model allows for an orchestration layer that's going to be crucial to this push toward

54:25kind of a genetic thinking and the deployment of a genetic models in the workplace and a small business model you doing that with open AI requires a lot of individual coding you can do that verbally with with the son of the opus model. Yeah, and it does take a lot in when you're going through the jet GPT and open AI model. So didn't they also just open up their tokenization to as far as what's going on aren't they up to like a million. Yeah, this context thing is a big there's a big one because of the ability to take in the amount of information in the most energy efficient format but to to then be able to handle a multi threaded set of commands without hallucination. Yeah, Gemini now has a a million to two million token context box right. But this clawed opus model is right under that with about a million and GPT is about a 400,000.

55:25The cloud just increased what they had before though so I mean it's it's a step up for where they were at it did and what was really interesting about it is even though they're able to handle more tokens of ingestion and output faster the rate. The reason they were able to do that is because of the separation between the two models GPT has to read everything once and then figure out what to do with it. Opus can do a a lower energy consumption read with its own model and then assign tasks to the sonnet. To the sonnet runner who will run and just do something very quickly and come back and say okay I've achieved that as quickly as possible using as little energy as possible. What do you want me to do next right and I see I see the others falling suit there real quick. Well right and the actually what's interesting here is that the cost per token of output has fallen really substantially and this is now allowing for AI to potentially be deployed in higher volume use cases where you can really ring out manual efficiencies when you're doing something over and over and over again.

56:26Check this spreadsheet to make sure you have a total on the bottom that makes sense and then tell me what the columns add up to be you know that's exactly the sort of thing. Yeah totally so so faster less opportunity for data get lost ability to orchestrate multi tasks cloud cloud opus I'm going to check it out. I'm going to check it out too. I'm not usually a cloud opus guy but I've been using Gemini and copilot but because of this and our research this week I'm going to. Yeah we bumped into some problems with GPT 5 2 again 30 conversations with transcripts all of the prep and research for each of those conversations and then all of the. Summarization and compiling of all those into key themes across 30 I mean the performance has gotten really bad we can't do anything in that string anymore without. Now and the one thing that's really impressive about cloud though is that 80% of their business model is enterprise. Yeah so that's right they're they're delivering.

57:28They're delivering on a high scale and it's not becoming an operating system it's not becoming just an ancillary tool. Now it's really interesting and it's kind of like the the market is defining players in different spaces right Gemini. People use because they already have in their phone I think it's probably the easiest place for people to goof around but if you're going to be a consumer oriented user of LLM it's probably going to be chat GPT you're probably going to use the free model. And you know you're not going to have any problems with it unless you're going to try to write a you know a 35 chapter book or do search on something as interesting as roadway digital infrastructure. You know as computing using a bunch of PDFs that were generated in like the 90s and 2000s I mean that's that's some revenue shit. I use AI to help research too and it's I go and I'm going to give Microsoft a shout out right now because I go to co pilot. It has chat GPT as a base but it also has their layer of folks over there and granted that does hallucinate from times times and it throws things out at me but.

58:35As long as you check every source that is throwing at you and make sure it's it's is what they're telling you it is. Then you can utilize it we've got we've caught a couple of hallucinations but not recently and that was in open AI we've not had a case where we've caught. We have to site for the for the federal highways work we have to site everything in a professional format and. I just made a book up. Yeah it just made a book up once but we haven't had that problem it's only good though. Yeah we read it can imagine. I mean that would be closer anyway. So yeah it's it's interesting get out there and try these try these engines try these models let us. Well thanks send us a note if you think what we're telling you is is bonk tell us about it but. I guess my take is I'm moving away from GPT and I'm all about Gemini right now and that may by something new it's going to be. That may be the moment it's it's an emblem flow right now because every three or four months.

59:36All these platforms come out with a new technology and it seems like you know Gemini just came out with this or. Co pilot just came out with this well they're really interesting thing is that it is the tuning now of models and different models. And different model architectures with chips in different chip architectures to take advantage of. Yeah the ability to do stuff like cool with just regular tap water instead of you know closed and system with refrigerant and all this other crazy stuff. All these efficiencies are are becoming pronounced and I think that we need to do a deep dive on Vera Rubin and what that chipset is going to do. And making the jump from from the current. In video chips so maybe next week we can dig in on something like that and hey I want to jump this we're definitely we got a great suggestion from a listener. Yeah what is that what does it mean to win the AI war. Oh did we mention it before if we didn't we should have but now we're mentioning we're thinking about this for a future topic. Yeah no way I think we should dive into that in a future talk a lot of discussion about let's talk about that real quickly just off the cuff though.

1:00:41Yeah a lot of discussion about what does it mean the US is in an AI war against China and we have to win. Well it's not what the hell does that mean it's it's it's China Europe it's and not the debunk Canada because I know they're growing. But it's China you know a it's far in the I race. Asia South Korea you have India. Australia there what are we talking about for future comforts are we talking about what we're talking about. Talking about what we're talking about and that's exactly what I talked about in my book the algorithmic state not to do a selfless plug here but. No plug it up no but it is who gets their first and is able to control the algorithms. Well see that's why we get back to to our boy Dariel that's what others in the industry have accused him of by crying wolf yes it's so dangerous. He of course is going to get invited in and his ideas are going to get hurt first so by being the most complicit with the need to regulate.

1:01:46Something that quite frankly our regulators have no conception of there no ability to understand it let alone regulate it. He's endearing himself and getting the closest to the power so he's kind of talking to his own book is what I think a lot of people in that happens in securities markets all it. Yeah well and I think that's the hot topic right now on this all is is being safe. I think I think that our regulators and the people who are going to. Are going to be charged with making these laws they understand one use case and one use case only it's. How does the unfortunate picture of my 15 year old knees turned into porn and how do we stop that that's the you know that's there that's there. That's the highest order level of thinking they can come to understand yeah and I can understand that definitely that's. That's admirable and you have to definitely protecting as it but that's a little short side it's so low brow yeah it is because. Yeah those are the people those are the people who are going to be in charge of regulating it well and how how knowledgeable are they on the top problem with everything it's like.

1:02:48It's like you know immigration it's everything you know there's not enough people to look at this evaluate it critique it and do this so yeah. I need to give Cardi a mic. Cardi needs a mic. I don't think it's true Mike I'm waking here. These people he can use a lot of a good point the people who are regulating it don't really understand they have no means to understand. No that would disagree that I think the people maybe here don't understand it. Now if you go to Europe they understand it well I'm talking about our government who in Europe understands well. If you can show me something I would have to read it because I don't I don't believe that they do understand I think just because they have a policy framework first doesn't mean they understand. No but I think I think they're on the right track. I think they're on the right track that and what's the right track see this is where this is where we have to get down to like relate like we do you can't you can't regulate inputs you can regulate outcomes. Like you can regulate yeah whoever whoever was the actor that caused that picture to become porn.

1:03:53Yeah that person but the model itself you can't constrain the model you can't say hey anthropic if you get posed a picture of a you know 15 year old girl you can't turn it into something naked that's. It's one it's ridiculous to it's impossible three it's removing it's removing the it's removing the onus and responsibility from the individual. And totally against all that but anyway I'm not sure what he's trying to do squeeze every last drop that angels and the bourbon the bourbon barometer is touching bottom is definitely down there but I I'll just leave you with this on that I would say the European Union has taken the impetus that I think in the United States it's a compromise between the Biden administration and the Trump administration. The Biden administration had a bill of rights that's that's much like with the European Union is Trump administration says we're just going to kind of let it go and we're going to regulate it from the top level which I agree they need to regulate it from the top level but let's let's make sure it's still transparent let's make sure it's explainable let's make sure it's understandable and we can under you know.

1:05:03The Biden administration wanted to regulate model inputs they wanted to have input and be able to control how many parameters a model could train on I'm talking about outputs let's talk about outputs because it's a result oriented field that we're playing in and in the legal field that's that's where it is what comes out. So Europe is perfect in that respect I think and I know I'm going to get a lot of pushback right now because I'm coming over to the the democratic side of the table on this one but I feel like they have figured it out early on and that's why they form this coalition that is able to determine all this okay well here's going to see committee that can look over it we're going to blow everybody's hair back when we come back and do a do a point counterpoint on European versus. American AI regulation Perry Perry's telling us he wants to pull the plug on this all this nope nope it's great conversation yeah all this all this all these hot takes all these hot takes remember where you are so when we come back we can pick up or we left off okay we should take a good one more one more break and then we'll come back we're almost burning Perry's a fish and a stock all right cheers cheers all right there's nothing to my leg.

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1:07:43bourbon barometers down this week we will we must be wrapping up it was nice we had we had our first calling gas we did we had a vocal in studio participant this week it was it was like Dr. Ruth had to fight the urge to give over the microphones and just in my ear I mean Jordan kind of had that lure well we're trying to up our game how are we doing I mean we're hoping everybody out there is noticing how we doing in terms of rankings watches views and updates I was shocked when we jumped for a moment just a moment but it was fun to jump there yesterday for a half a day in front of less Lex Friedman yeah we made we jumped to number four yesterday for a hot second on the business segment of Apple podcast number four technology segment oh I'm sorry tech not yeah tech not business I mean I'm going to respect what we have to say business yeah you boys got no business although they should they probably should yeah so that's

1:08:44really cool so when it comes to fishness and stockings were number one so that's really cool that means those of you who we beg to watch have watched maybe a second or third time you've passed it on you've liked you subscribed you gave us thumbs up you you retweeted you know we're trying we're trying on LinkedIn we're trying on all the on all the platforms grads driving that force he's doing a great job thanks but I know he is and we appreciate every one of our 450,000 followers that are are behind us right now who yeah yeah right who yeah okay well well look I think we've done everything we came to do today we covered curling if you're any questions and we'll get Jordan on we'll get Jordan back maybe he come on as a guest regular guest spot Jordan Paul Lauer you never know someday in the future but Jordan Jordan to come speak or talk at their local event just hit us up we'll make sure that yeah he's telling you can talk on number of six but that's all I just don't forget Cardi oh yeah Cardi our ultra vocal over served studio

1:09:44guest want to say thank you Pennsylvania for Jeff Cardi yeah thank you and I just want to say thank you Pennsylvania for the fact that it was over it was over 50 degrees today it was actually 60 I think yeah I mean it was nice right the big melt off as I was debating on playing between the snow drifts yeah let's keep that let's get on the greens let's keep that trend going okay get on the greens the green chat yeah it's right we need to let that snow about the whole way down take all that nitrogen down the soil so we can there we go right so pretty soon we're gonna be we're gonna be switching from a bourbon and rocks in front of the fire to a bourbon spritz out in the deny right yeah pretty soon we're going to be a flower is going to be blooming we're definitely going to see in our ears soon yeah definitely definitely out in the course it'll be fun totally yeah there's some chatter about maybe a getaway down to to Georgia here in a few weeks for a little bit of golf a little bit of a a winter swing yeah yeah yeah I'm interested in that you know you should dust it off dust it off against well I don't know if they're going to let us in

1:10:44there for us not that there's a there's a pool in a pond yeah right pond to be good for you guys right yeah there's an Augusta public course right next door you can get on that big dog yeah but you know when you start talking about dusting it off and lubricating up and dust it off lubricate yeah totally on that cheers thanks for joining us we'll see you next week this has been the better with bourbon podcast with Brad Martino and Deakin Palmer new episodes drop weekly be sure to subscribe or follow us the views and opinions shared on the better with bourbon podcast are our own and those of our guests nothing we discussed should be taken as financial legal business or gambling advice don't make investment business or betting decisions based on our conversations as you should always talk to a qualified professional always drink responsibly never drink and drive and only consume alcohol if you are of legal drinking age

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