Why gasfield attacks are major escalation in Iran war – The Latest

0:00This is the Guardian. There is a genuine degree of panic over this. It creates the possibility of an energy crisis that drags on, you know, for months, if not for several years. We hold the cards. We have objectives. Those objectives are clear. You know, when this started, I had my head in my hands, because none of this makes sense. It doesn't make sense in terms of how you manage the conflict diplomatically. They don't seem to have a story. The White House claims it knew nothing about an Israeli attack on a gas field in Iran, but can it be believed? And what does it mean for already soaring energy prices around the world? From the Guardians today in focus, this is the latest with me Lucy Harf. Joining me is Peter Beaumont, the Guardian Senior International reporter. Thanks so much for coming up to the studio, Peter. So, Israel has struck Iran's South-Pars gas field,

1:01which is the biggest gas field in the world, isn't it? Yes, it's the biggest gas field. At the same time that there is this effective blockade of the Strait of Famous, this very vital passage in the Persian Gulf, which has hugely disrupted the oil market. Tell me about this strike that Israel has carried out, and why it is so significant as an active aggression. Well, as you said, the South-Pars gas field is the part of the biggest gas field in the world. It's shared with Qatar, and it's all one system. So, I mean, it's not like, you know, here's the Qatari part and here's the Iranian part. It's all joined up, so this produces some of, you know, most of the world's liquefied natural gas. And it's the first time that we've seen tip-for-tatt strikes on kind of, you know, what upstream oil production, extraction facilities, i.e., where the stuff comes out of the ground. And that's kind of really important, because up till now it's been on kind of port facilities, on tankers. Things that can be sort of like reversed quite quickly,

2:06but this is kind of the pointy end of kind of energy production. It's kind of, you know, where it comes out of the ground. It's where it's kind of packaged our sense into the world, and the issue with it is that these things, when they're damaged, take a very long time to repair. So, it creates the possibility, even of the war, what went tomorrow of an energy crisis that drags on, you know, for months, if not, for several years. Yeah, because you've damaged this vital source of supply, these complex infrastructures that are incredibly complex and difficult to rebuild. So, like you say, even if the war ends, we're not talking about weeks or months, this could be a yearly problem that takes place. Exactly, exactly. I mean, look, after the war in Iraq, which I covered, I mean, there was lots of kind of energy facilities that were damaged during the invasion. The Americas were in control of Iraq, South. It took two years, even with access of American contractors, to get sort of oil production roughly back to where it was

3:07before the invasion. Here, we're talking about sort of LNG facilities, the particularly problematic in terms of repairs. It's a liquid natural gas. Liquid natural gas. You know, they're particularly vulnerable to damage. You know, a lot of the experts are assessing the, the, you know, these are not things you can fix quickly. They're, it's a big job. And that means that you're effectively choking global energy supplies. I mean, you know, it's a problem for Iran because it's the South parts field, but they've retaliated by hitting guitars and doing extensive damage to guitars and LNG production facility. And that's kind of, you know, one of the biggest sources of natural gas globally in the world. And a nation that is very keen not to get too much into this, very keen not to get drawn into this war. Yeah, and we'll come on to, to a bit more of the implications of that. But I think, interesting to listen to what Trump's been saying since this happened, he claims that he knew nothing about the strikes, but there is reporting at the Wall Street Journal

4:08and elsewhere at Axios that he was informed about it. I mean, regardless of that, and we probably won't know for certain, the fact that Israel would carry out this strikes, even if there was hesitation in Washington, speaks to something about the way that this conflict has been led by Israel. I mean, look, I mean, it's not a credible denial. I mean, we know from the Snowden files that the, the US keeps a very close eye on what's going on in Israel. This is a joint military operation that's basically an air campaign. I mean, they have, they're going to have extensive kind of joint military air control. You know, you don't want to be flying a jet up there and not know what your other partner is doing. They're going to have a sense of what are that, you know, what the Israeli flight plans were. They almost certainly knew this was going to happen. I mean, I mean, are we surprised that Trump's lying because it gets him out of a hole? Well, not particularly because, I mean, he lies all the time. But it does suggest that, you know, there is a genuine degree of panic over this.

5:09We've just been hearing from Pete Huggseth, the US Defense Secretary, self-siled Secretary of War, who has been addressing the US public directly. He's accusing the media of wanting Americans to think, with somehow spinning towards an endless abyss, or a forever war, or a quagmire, that couldn't be further from the truth. But again, we just can't take that as plausible, given the complexity that you've been up to. Absolutely not. I mean, look, you know, I spent four years covering the war in Iraq. And during that period, you know, you were sufficiently endlessly saying, look how brilliant it is we got rid of Saddam. Look at how much better everything is when you go to them. So, well, there's been a sectarian murder in this suburb, or this night I've just come from the funeral. And it's like, yeah, well, you expect a few broken eggs, that kind of stuff. And it was always the same thing. No, this isn't heading towards civil war. And then, oh, wow, we're in the middle of a really, really violent civil war. I mean, I was talking with an expert about this yesterday. And, you know, the... You were sufficient in them in those days. And their planning was profoundly unimpressive.

6:09Yet it looks like leagues ahead of kind of the people who are involved in this conflict. And in terms of analysis, criticism, and organizational skills. I mean, you know, when this started, I had my head in my hands. Because none of this makes sense. It doesn't make sense in kind of diplomatically. It doesn't make sense in terms of how you manage the conflict. It doesn't make sense in terms of a kind of story that you tell yourself if you're in charge of this war, about where you think it's going. Because they don't seem to have a story. They don't have a story. And it's unclear to me how you can then plan for a name that isn't clear in your mind. But which is also so severely damaged global supply chains? Oil prices to surge. It's caused stock markets to tumble. People already seeing their energy petrol bills. Starting to rise. That is going to be politically very damaging, not just for Trump and for other governments too. I mean, it's absolutely toxic. I woke up this morning. You know, gas price month, the head future is what, 30%.

7:13You know, about an hour ago, I checked the stock market. I mean, the FTSE was down, over 2%. You know, there's our pensions. I mean, that's kind of how we heat our homes. I mean, these, you know, how we fill up our cards. And you've got to remember that this isn't just about kind of energy, you know, there are byproducts too to these extraction processes. I mean, production of sulfur for phosphate fertilizers. I mean, some of these plants feed into other downstream products, you know, including chemicals. I mean, this isn't just about sort of gas and kind of the black oily stuff. It's about every corner of the economy. You know, the flights we take to go on holiday plastics. It's everything and it's kind of, it's staggering that no one thought is through. And so just lastly, briefly, Peter, I mean, can we look at this act of aggression in the South Paz gas field as a kind of final flurry

8:15of aggression before some kind of diplomatic solution is tried to be thrashed out? Or do you think this is the start of a much longer protracted conflict? Obviously, we live in incredibly unpredictable times and it's very difficult to predict the future. I'm torn between the two. I mean, kind of wars can end quite violently. I mean, 2006 war in Lebanon, it's possible that, you know, this is kind of a final gesture by Israel to say to Iran, we've done this now, stay down. The alternative is that the war does drag on, but my feeling is that the global economic shocks have been so profound that there's going to be huge pressure on Israel and Washington, which you would hope would leave them to try and find a way out. But I mean, given individuals involved, I mean, who can predict? You can predict indeed. Well, thank you for your expertise and thank you for your reporting, Peter. Thank you. That's it for today.

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