Who Gets To Replace Lindsey Graham? + Who Is MAGA?

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1:02and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers. All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It's Monday, March 16, 2026. I'm on the road today, but Blake is holding it down at the Phoenix studio. Blake, how you doing? It was an eventful weekend. Yeah, well, yeah, we did. We did see each other on Saturday. We interviewed Andy Biggs and then you interviewed Nick Shirley. We had a great time there. Yeah, that was a blast at the Phoenician. It was a good, good, good event. We are joined here at the top of the hour, unusually so by Jack Pasobic, who's going to be helping us make sense of the world after a very eventful weekend. Jack, welcome. We've got a lot to get to here, and I think Blake's title for today's show, What Is Maga, is a, I think it's a really apt way to sort of frame it. I was traveling, didn't have a lot of time to keep up with it.

2:03I turned on the phone and the computer on basically last night, because somebody sent me some Oscar clips, and then I started going through everything, and I was like, holy cow, the world. Everybody hates everybody. The eDrama is through the roof, and we got a very contentious war going on in Iran. And I think what the best thing that we can do on this show is how to walk through this very tumultuous moment that we're living in, where I think a lot of us just want to focus on domestic issues, want to focus on nation building at home. Unfortunately, that's not exactly the most obvious thing for any of us to do, because of so much noise that's going around. Blake, I'm going to throw to you first and foremost, you asked the question, what is Maga, define it for us. What is Maga right now in this moment with Iran, with, like I said, the eDrama and so much else? Well, I mean, part of the reason, the reason, you know, we titled that way is we did, of course, we've seen, we saw friction over the weekend.

3:05We won't get into the full details of it, because it's a little silly, but, you know, Megan Kelly was in a fight with Mark Levin, that's obviously rooted in the Iran stuff and, you know, obviously personality friction as well. And what happened last night was the president on Truth Social decided to weigh in on it personally. And he took the side, he didn't name Megan, but he took, he supported Mark Levin. And one of the lines he said at the end of his post was basically that people who are bashing Levin going after him, those people are not Maga, I am, as what he said. And one interpretation of Maga, is it basically is, it is the people who support, it is, it is President Trump. President Trump, he ran on that slogan, he has the power to define what that slogan is, but does everyone feel that way? Because a lot of people have tried to articulate a Maga agenda in terms of issues, whether that's on immigration, whether that's on interventionism, whether that's on trade, and a lot of other stuff.

4:05And so that's kind of why it's an open question, because I think there is, is there, is there a Maga that stands separately from the president himself? And the president himself, I think, you know, unsurprisingly given Trump's personality, he does mostly see it in terms of his personal branding. Yeah, and so Jack, I think, you know, that is one contention, right? This is something the president has said over and over again, I am Maga. And those who kind of come at me right now, they're not loyal to the cause. You are in OG 2016, 2015, Maga. You know, I would call you one of the leaders on the social media side, and you've been that way for about a decade now. You know, there does seem to be fraying at the fringes here, especially about foreign policy. So what do you do when everything's up in tumult, people are confused which way to go and what to make of it? How are you approaching this moment? Yeah, so there's, you know, these definitional questions come up a lot.

5:09And at the same time, I would also point out that, you know, Maga, the coalition, the people who have voted for Trump, that has changed over time as well. So the 2024 coalition, the coalition that Charlie worked so hard to put together, the turning point action worked on. That's different than the 2016 coalition and the groups. Obviously, it was much more successful in 24 2016, you know, you can't take anything away from the historic nature of that. It was obviously something that was unprecedented, but 2024, just in terms of sheer raw numbers point on the board victory was bigger. And the difference, I guess I would say is that in 2024, it was this coalition that came together where instead of just, you know, 2016 was sort of like the anti neocons, the Bernie bros, and you're sort of like traditional Republicans. But in 2024, and of course, the anti neocons are obviously have a lot of consternation right now.

6:13And so the 2024 coalition was even broader and bigger than that. Because now you got Maha, now you've got the libertarians, now you, of course, you have the anti neocons. And of course, there's a lot of overlap with the, you know, libertarian crowd there as well. You've got people who were motivated by COVID, you've got, and lockdowns, you've got people who were motivated by DEI by wokeness. I mean, you just got so many people coming in in 2024 that inevitably there was going to be some friction points between the massive, you know, the massive parts of the massive coalition. And of course, now you've also in 24 got the Zoomers on board, which is like a whole different, you know, quotient in and of itself. And that was the part that Charlie and TPUSA had worked so hard on all through those years. So if you look at it, right, like if you were in high school, when Trump first ran, you know, 2024 may have been the first time you voted or, you know, somewhere, you know, voted for president at least.

7:16And so he was doing the math. So though this was like the Charlie Kirk coalition in 2024. And so the way you work on things like this is very simple. Look, Donald Trump is the president of the United States, Donald Trump is the founder of the MAGA movement. But just like any coalition, there are going to be different elements within that movement. And so, you know, you can get caught up in these definitional games. But I do think that ultimately we're better served by people just sort of saying like, this is what I stand for. This is what I think the best policy is. And just arguing it out in those terms, rather than trying to say, you know, one person is this and one person isn't allowed to be that. I think that's, I think that leads to subtraction. And we all know the victories through addition. Yeah, I mean, I think what you're getting at this coalitional truth that we need to build a coalition. There is no more contentious issue on the right. There's just simply not informed policy. Because the divide between the neocons and the interventionist is not just a divide. It's a chasm.

8:19And so in one sense, as soon as the Iran conflict started, there should be no surprise that this has become so contentious. President Trump said four weeks. He said he's willing to move that timeline up or back. So we kind of are still in that, that time of uncertainty. We don't know how this is going to play out. There's a very positive way this could play out. There's a more negative way this could play out, which is why Charlie warned against regime change in Iran, right? We don't know all of the ancillary side effects. We don't know how this could devolve into some sort of civil war, sectarian stripe. Within Iran, the Strait of Hormuz is proving particularly tricky and difficult. We're going to get into what the president is trying to do in the Strait of Hormuz. Build a coalition of different countries to come in and clear up the Strait of Hormuz. We're allowing Indian and Chinese. It sounds like vessels tankers to go through the Strait of Hormuz. You know, we spend a lot of time on this show talking about culture, about why strong families matter, why values matter, why faith matters.

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10:33Got to welcome into this conversation. President Trump's talking about the ballroom. So we're going to take a moment to welcome in Libby Emmons. She's the editor of the chief of the Post Millennial and Human Events. Welcome, Libby. Thanks so much. Glad to be here, Andrew. And we're joined by Jack. But we're asking a question, Libby. And I'd love to get you in on this. You know, what is MAGA, right? We look across the conservative landscape. And it's a mess out there right now. And I think, you know, I'm thinking of the Kipling poem where it's like, you know, if you can keep your head when everybody else is losing theirs. But President Trump defines it as, you know, this is he's the founder of this movement. And so get in line. He's been very consistent to his credit about Iran over the years. A lot of us harbor skepticism is about regime change in the Middle East. So what do you make of this moment as, you know, everything seems to be a mess out there? Yeah, everything does seem to be a mess out there. And I disagree with Trump that MAGA is Trump. I think Trump captured an ethos that was already out there. I think he tapped into something that so many Americans were feeling.

11:38And I think MAGA has more to do with a set of values and perspectives than it does a single man. Otherwise, it would not be a movement that would continue. And that's a movement that continued throughout Biden's four years. And I think it's a movement that will continue after Trump is gone. I think MAGA has to do with putting America first American priorities in terms of domestic situation in terms of prosperity and equal access to opportunity in a lot of cases, you know, for Americans, which means that your schools are decent and you can go to them and attend them, which means that you're getting a fair shake in the housing market. And it's not all being bought up by corporations, you know, which means that when you go to apply for a job or go to apply to college, your merit is what's taken into consideration, not some random identity factors. And I think that MAGA has to be a set of values more than it can be possibly just one man. Otherwise, you can't stand for anything, right? You can't stand on shifting sands of perspectives and ideas. You have to stand for something or else, you know, as they say, you'll fall for anything.

12:42Jack, I want to get you back in on this because I think by the way, Libby, you, you probably articulated Blake's POV pretty well, I would think, but I'll let Blake answer that and just say, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, it's great. It's just, uh, no, let's let Jack go. Let's look at Jack go here. Yeah, Jack, I want to get you to respond to that. But you know, you are the kind of foreign intel analyst, you're, you're watching this space all the time, but yet you are domestic in your focus as well. How do you marry the two of these right now? Yeah, that's a great point. So, um, you know, this is obviously like I do a lot of geopolit analysis and I actually wasn't even intelligence officer, you know, and, um, you know, so this is something that's always, you know, a great interest when we have these things come up. I'm like, aha, finally, so everyone understands why I post maps about choke points and maritime trade routes so much. It seems like totally arcane until it everyone finds out how much it really, really matter. In the world and, um, you know, that being said, the questions of what will be successful politically are certainly different from how the world economy operates and how the world economics operate back and forth. And so, you know, I've always said that look, I thought that when I was in the United States Navy and when I was in the intelligence community serving as I did that I started to get the feeling that perhaps our focus as a country was to.

14:09To a broad our focus was not enough on our own issues on things that actually mattered to us and things that actually affected us in our country like the southern border, like the cartels, like the issues of problems and crime in our city, the issues of mass migration, all of those issues are the issues that built the mega movement that's what brought us all on board and brought us all together in 2015 and 2016 with of course the leader and singular man of that movement being Donald J. Trump and when he came down the golden escalator, that's exactly what he talked about. And so certainly it's been this idea that we are going to shift the focus and you may all you may kind of say that just analytically, I guess you could say that if there is a split anymore it's not within maga, the split is more maga and then America first right so maga is more. We back Trump, we want Trump to be you know you know we're he's our guy 100% you know we may have certain you know certain differences on tactics here and there but he we're going to stand with Trump, then America first is this group that says we don't want to do you know anything foreign it's domestic only domestic has to be in the front and that movement is something that interesting enough you start to see Democrats dipping into you start to see mandami talk about this and we when we did the debate analysis we talked about that.

15:31You start to see things like Gavin Newsom talk about this where he's saying oh I want to focus here and not abroad so it's it's become this sort of jump ball I feel right now and I think the Democrats are going to try their next move is going to be to say oh what you guys are for foreign intervention we are the true America first so watch for that. Blake I invoked your name earlier I think they're all on good points that especially those of you who are in the middle of the world. Those of us who've been around this movement a long time there is a strong sense oh Maga we want Maga to last beyond Trump one reason you don't want to say Maga's just Trump is Trump will not be around forever Trump will eventually be gone and we still want a movement that is not neo con GOP that is not George Bush GOP that is not the GOP of old. It is also very much the case that through kind of repeated trials repeated events Maga has ended up being for lack of a better term like Trump has oscillated in different directions he's caught us off guard and he's always stuck around and the movement has really become very much how to put this.

16:48I will say President Trump has a point if he says like I am Maga and to some extent the movement is basically what I say it is because he's repeatedly defined it that way and he is kind of bashed away and like battered off every single challenger who would suggest it was anything else. And so I think Jack has a point that maybe you need to articulate another phrase like America first or whatever you want to take this package of views so that is not 100% identical to one person. And this is the thing about the right the right is more hierarchical we are more inclined to basically get in line behind our guy if he says this is the right thing to do if he says this is what we need to be doing. And so yeah I think we might be a good idea to have another label for the issues that we care about. You know so I've gotten attacked I think Blake you and I on the show for being you know I think they took a clip out of context the internet did and said we were we were departing from Charlie's view on Iran he was super anti war and yeah Charlie was super anti war.

17:55But you know we were warning against the perils of regime change in the Middle East as well before the lead up but Charlie sort of in this divide that you're you're mentioning here Jack it was his decision was always listen I worked my butt off to get President Trump elected even when I privately have differences of opinion I'm going to back the guy because there's been no other fighter that we have in the modern era that has so embodied the values that I care most about. And so I'm going to get behind him and we're going to hope for the best I'm going to argue his points there's a there's a point to be made. And so I you know that's kind of what we do here a couple of things I can't abide by I cannot abide by not supporting our troops I cannot abide by not wishing success on this country I cannot abide by any of that stuff I can't abide abide by the brain rot where you're trying to scapegoat people. So listen yeah this is these are perilous gut wrenching times that make us all sort of you know wonder how it's going to work out but we've been here before with President Trump Charlie understood this and he ultimately did place his trust in his support behind the President when he made tough calls.

19:04So I think we're just sort of stuck in this this time you know President Trump said four to five weeks okay we're in the four to five weeks here buckle up everybody here we go let's hope this ends well and let's pray for the success of our troops Libby what am I missing. No I agree with you on that to a certain extent yes and now that we're in this war I want us to win it I want us to win it decisively and I want our troops to come home and be out of harm's way that's a huge deal I support our troops 100%. I do think that it's difficult to look at this entanglement as someone who is pretty much anti war and come away with you know and come away with the perspective that this was the right thing to do at the right time I'm not sure about that you know and I think time will tell and certainly history will let us know I'm someone who marched against the Iraq war way back in 2003. I'm not prepared to go out and be marching against this war at this point you know I've definitely looked back at my life and said perhaps shutting down the 59th Street Bridge was not the best idea and maybe I wouldn't do that again.

20:05But yeah I think that there's I think that there's concerns arguing about whether or not we should back our troops is not something we should argue about everyone should be backing our troops. I also think that what Jack said that this is giving the Democrats an area where they can really start to make some inroads with the American people is something that we should be watching out for because it's hard to look at the Democrats you know and not see all of the things that they are also going to be advocating for continuing to trans kids continuing the American genocide of abortion you know there were like a million close to a million abortions I think in 2024 that's an insane number. So if conservatives really want to make sure that they have a hold of some of these issues and can save lives in this country we have some states that are on board with euthanasia this none of this stuff can go forward and so we have to be wary of all of those things. Yeah well said I mean I find the Democrats to be completely unacceptable but they are going to we are giving them an avenue to to to be the America first in some ways at least politically from a messaging standpoint I don't believe any of it.

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22:23This is Charlie talking about this very exact dynamic cut 26. Let me tell you what president Trump has in front of him and this is the stuff of which statements states men are made. A statesman is a man at the highest moment when you have the weight of the shoulders like Churchill or Lincoln of the world on your shoulders you act with prudence and not on ideological fervor. President Donald Trump is a man made for this moment this is why president Trump was elected president of the United States. It's the man in the arena that counts but I encourage you as you view the next couple of days to not view things overly ideological in fact we should resist ideological fervor. Resist ideological fervor the man in the arena I am still on this point that yes I was not pro and you know regime change in Iran but I will back president Trump's play here he's earned our trust he is the man in the arena right now and we have to must pray for the success of our troops in our country that this ultimately would work out in a way that would benefit America first as we try to define it but listen the longer this goes on there's no doubt.

23:37That this will become more and more difficult alright Libby I'm going to get to your why we actually brought you on to the show today and that is that the Oscars the Oscars took a swipe. At the all American halftime show yesterday and so we got to play it cut 17. I should warn you tonight could get political okay and if that makes you uncomfortable there's an alternate Oscars being hosted by Kid Rock. Yeah it's at the Davin busters down the street a lot of tickets for that. Alright Libby we see that we see SNL is got Tucker Carlson not me you know making fun of him and we are living through a remarkable cultural moment that we need to pause and appreciate and that's why I brought you on here. What do you make of this the Oscars would you make a SNL all of it. So you know the thing with the thing with the Oscars Conan O'Brien somebody didn't tell him that 25 million people actually streamed the turning point.

24:39No Libby Libby yes the way that Nielsen rates it we had over 50 million people. Oh well okay I was just tracking back this morning through my previous notes and I didn't see that so amazing congratulations again. But yeah someone didn't tell Conan that someone didn't tell Conan that Americans are moving away from the box office you know like never before I took a look at some of the stats and American beauty which won the best picture back in 2000 made about the same as sinners which sort of came in second place this year. So it's not like things are going better for Hollywood than they were even 26 years ago and nobody's really interested in that people don't like watching the Oscars you know. So I think that I think that's something to recognize Timothy Chalamet recent comments about opera and ballet being dying art forms could just as easily be applied to the cinema. These Hollywood people should recognize that and instead they just lament that more people should go to the box office if you look at some of the Oscar speeches or the sag speeches the Golden Globe speeches this year during the whole awards season you'll see multiple multiple directors writers actors telling people to bring your kids to the movies.

25:53These are the same kinds of comments that I heard when I was a kid bring your kids to the theater bring your kids to the opera let them know bring them to the ballet you know like all of this stuff. And instead these are still just dying art forms and eventually they will disappear to a certain extent or become niche or whatever and ask for SNL yeah they had some fun jokes. Yeah let me let me have actually it's a longer clip but it is it is worth playing it because everybody has a bit of a stake here in Tucker Carlson we're all sharing similar mediums and we all hear about it and Blake used to write for him Jack is close to them here we go cut 24. Many are excited for the Oscars tomorrow some people think liberal politics are influencing the awards too much here with his take is conservative commentator Tucker Carlson. Let's all go to the movies huh really yes why don't we grab some popcorn and watch American culture collapse what are we doing why don't we talk about sinners that's right sinners because of course.

27:02Leftist woke America's favorite movie this year is about sinning why does that not surprise me no sorry kids we don't go to church anymore we go to sinners that's the rule that's the goal now. What about hamlet oh hamlet because we're not allowed to say hamlet anymore no no took the L and gave it to the gbtq. Took the L and gave it to gbtq is actually is pretty witty I kind of wish one of us had come up with that at some point well I think they bus and L actually had a great my hospital like my hub. We I think we played it in the cold over it was actually funny Jack you people don't know this but you have you have your own critic. You know background film critic TV critic background so what do you make of this cultural moment we're living it does feel a bit like we're such a our side is so completely messed up in so many ways that that we're giving them lots of fodder but what you take well first of all you know I got to respond on the halftime show because our ratings clearly clearly if you look at what the turning point events team if you look at what the turning point action team and everyone coming together did.

28:16To get the ratings for the number one American YouTube live stream in history 40 million households day of viewing in the first 24 hours and if you computed it the way as you say computer the way Nielsen does households you'd probably be looking at 50 to 60 million. People because they always use the multiplier for the Super Bowl viewership and we know that there were people at least two's and three's and four's watching our halftime show so oh so I'd love to go back and Conan. You have not had anything that's rated in 20 plus years you went down to Haiti and we're trying to like talk about how great Haiti is and walk around sipping my ties while you've got cannibals named barbecue running around so no Conan. Turning point you say blue absolutely blue the Oscars out of the water and I can't wait to see their overnight because I know it's lower when you look at the cultural moment. You know I'm just going to say it I tweeted this morning about the Oscars that the Oscars has now become a contest of who can make the most anti white movie so you've got sinners which is basically from dust till dawn with with BLM killing white people then you've got.

29:27The the the Leodic Leonardo Caprio movie and it's an antifa raid on an ice facility I mean it's like the most insane one fight after another and so it's just the most insane liberal far left anti white stuff gets the most awards. I you know I tweeted out that I didn't even know that it was going on last night because I didn't I was busy hanging out with my kids and. I was sent the clip and I just said I didn't realize who's going on but it's very clear that we live rent free in their minds because they all noticed it and I just want to say one last thing while the world is losing its mind we're going to keep ours and that's why we do things like the halftime show that's why the two largest cultural touchpoint moments of the last six months or Charlie's memorial and the halftime show we're going to keep building keep moving forward because the only way through is through thank you Libby and Jack. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant not knowing where to go or what to do not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells you and I we both know the truth.

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31:51President Charlie Kirk Charlie always called him a lady Graham as he called the president of rushism did he get that from rush I'm pretty sure that's what a lot of people call us I let's put up this tweet from from Charlie back in it looks like Jew July 1st 2023 he said Senator Lindsey Graham gets boot off the stage at Trump South Carolina rally absolutely humility the base is done with Neocons who want to spend our money to bomb far away Lance feels very relevant. Our current current moment fix our border use the military wipe out the cartels and we respect you ignore the domestic crisis at your own peril so that was that was just a few years ago and of course we agree with it wholeheartedly. We're going to have a special treat here though we're going to have Paul Dans and his competitor in the primary Lynch as well you're going to hear from both of them we're going to let you decide so email us freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Without further ado our first guest is Paul Dans he's running for US Senate for the great state of South Carolina welcome to the show sir gentlemen great to be with you well it's so good to have you my my perspective right now I'm keeping an open mind on both of you and I'm saying it as long as it's not Lindsey Graham I'm excited that's how I feel right now but you have voters to appeal to in the state of South Carolina they need to hear directly from you.

33:12And so you know that's that's the that's the point of this moment right now so what is it going to take to beat Lindsey Graham and why are you the right candidate to do that. Well as of today Lindsey Graham is going down that's the good news he's way below 50% in South Carolina we have a runoff state so top two people going to run off two weeks later look on the generational change candidate. I'm a guy who's been nagged from the jump I helped President Trump as a volunteer get elected I served in his first term I was what they call one of his killers I worked at HUD under Dr Carson and then later opm the office of personal management I was the guy who actually put in schedule F and really wrestled the whole proposition of personnel as policy I took over that federal agency gave it back to the president so I'm a guy who's been in the trenches in actual guy in the arena. President Trump he's meeting with the Kennedy Center Board today he actually put my wife on and she's a world famous ballerina Mary Helen Bowers and as we speak we are waiting baby number five we were at the 40 week mark today guys so we hear something off of camera.

34:21I can attest I saw your wife briefly behind you as we're prepping for this and she's she's pregnant I can attest you know that that babies got to be nearly ready. So you know okay so I guess the dig on you from the Lynch camp is that you know you're not a native South Carolina and Carolinian where are you from and what do you have to say to that attack? Well it's it's a really dumb attack I'm uh grew up in Maryland mainly but my dad was in the military and he was a Vietnam fat we moved around and actually half a lot of our population here are military dependence so that's a really bad idea to go after military dependence but I got married here 20 years ago on John's Island to my Caroline and bride and we have been living here going on 10 years next year so we have 4.99 kids and I have a stake in the future. I live the life that Charlie talked about that going to church getting married having kids I took off three of those very seriously probably the last one the most but um this is about generational change you know I go around to the TPUSA chapters and there's excitement whether I'm at the college of Charleston or University of South Carolina Clemson Anderson coastal Carolina everyone here um you know Southern Charleston Charleston Southern rather are excited for a couple of years.

35:46I'm excited for a candidate who's out there living the life I was the architect of project 2025 so I have a vision for what this great state could be again and and that's really what I want to do I want to make this a place for our kids so the next generation can have kids and come together and live as God intended in a land of milk and honey here in South Carolina. Well the whole schedule F that was one of my favorite ideas that emerged and so I just want to make sure I pause and give you some kudos if that was your brain child I think I think that was a really big shot across the the deep state swamp bow right there Blake. I'm going to throw it to you next question to you sir yeah of course and if any of you have questions you want to ask this is the time to do it send us email freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com for dance or for Lynch later in the hour we'd love to see those. I suppose a thing a lot of people are just going to want to know and I'm just straight forwardly is what meaningful change are they going to get by swapping from Graham to you and I think this is your chance to answer specifically for example.

36:53How are you on questions like the filibuster on the save act on the scam act what needs to change within the Senate and I guess another follow up is should there be a change of leadership in the Senate on the GOP side right a piece in our time okay i'm not a warmonger i'm a dad of five and I want our kids have a future in this in this great country so yeah look i'm jettison the filibuster day one i'm i am a real conservative in America first guy so i'm going to be doing foreign policy. Only through the lens of the US first what is what affects the people on the ground here in South Carolina i'm offering generational change and what does that mean it's giving our next generation the stake basically you know i want to put shop class back in middle and high schools i want to teach kids to get ready for this this big change with you know AI coming on i'm offering a 21st century homesteading act what does that mean that means declaring. Farmland critical infrastructure imagine setting up a hundred acre farm letting letting this next generation put down roots and raise healthy local affordable food right here in South Carolina this is what our ancestors did a hundred years ago i'm going to tackle the opioid crisis here in South Carolina we have 2000 people dying each year of opioids and it's you know it's the sort of thing we're.

38:18The sacklers if you know the sacklers. They declared war here on on our populations this is really. Where the sacklers okay so you know the sacklers were one of the groups that helped usher in the opioid crisis there's a great documentary on this crime of the century but this is a group that really went after white America is a genocide of sorts that we're really targeting populations so we're now stepping back from that saying how can we. Fix South Carolina get money in the pockets of people who can help the victims but also give them a the new life of promise and I go in campaign i run into families and I told them my platform and you know literally I was in murals in that last week i'm talking to. Five people woman and the man she tells me her son died of opioids and and the gentleman with her his daughter so this is affecting everyone here it's really an epidemic but you know we were we're really promising to make a future here our state for those who haven't been here is the worst.

39:23In the country in terms of roads our infrastructure is 30 years behind and we have a US center who spends every other weekend in foreign countries whether it needs to or not alright let's just play a clip from Lindsey Graham to express and show what we're up against here cut eight. They wanted the Iranian stop as much as the Israelis to absolutely God bless is right we should move all our stuff Israel thank you. I don't even know what he means there exactly but it does seem to be a repeat theme Paul dance what what what is your position on. Israel the war in Iran how should we be approaching how should we be talking about it i'm just going to show my own cards or one of my issues is just seems like he's frothing at the mouth just so eager to bomb foreign lands what how would you be different. Once the bomb everything pretty much the moves i am America first guy i am a guy who trust in and Trump we elected him as our commander chief have great trust in him. Look on the believer in Israel and it's right to exist but we have to measure everything by Americans interest first and here you have a guy who's talking about sending our sons and daughters off to war in the Middle East it's really too much to we've gone through.

40:39The prior wars of this 21st century and we know we as Charlie born these are these are quagmires and you know president Trump we rely on him to kind of. But right now we are very lary about any sort of ground war we want to concentrate here at home in the western hemisphere let's lock down from teradafuago up to Greenland let's make ourselves secure here so we don't have Chinese balloons floating over a country. So what do you say to when president trump says listen they were about to have an immunity shield they were making all these missiles nobody was going to be able to attack the nuclear program that we've heard about for the last however many decades. What do you say what's your reaction to that well i'm trusting in Trump i don't have access to that intelligence but i do know that you know with with operation midnight hammer they made a devastating blow and right now we do have this strategic threat looming in the east. And we can't be everywhere at once so that's really the worry my worry is ultimately China and the threat matrix as we you know take missiles off of out the South Korea and move them.

41:47You know to points Middle East right now the theory is that we have to protect ourselves but let's start first by getting back on our own feet re industrializing America we can't even build the submarines here because we don't have welders we don't have welders could be because we don't have shop class in school and high schools here. And so i'm i'm fundamentally about building back America first and and if you throw me you know i'm endorsed by talk to Carlson so i have a lot of his perspective on on israel but you know i want to protect them but also measure it within the realm of what the United States can do at the stage. Blake do you have a follow up for i think what always goes with foreign policy is of course immigration another question we like to ask candidates. On immigration do you support an immigration moratorium or if not what's your what's your ideal balance for how many people should be coming into America i'm all for the moratorium look and i also want to stop H1B visas i want to start sending these 50 million visa holders home i want American kids to be grad school students in engineering colleges again i want t.a. to speak English look i went to MIT i went to public schools and got there.

43:02But we deserve a better educational system and and so that starts with this mass immigration Lindsey Graham of course famously grand this the he's the guy who's been on watch for these 32 years when 20 million came in here he's the guy who. He's the guy who offered the afghan adjustment act to give people citizenship the same ones who killed Sarah beckstrom she's the national guardswoman assassinated within the block of the White House. A Thanksgiving so yes we have to go after immigration and that starts by giving our kids the opportunity's here at home. So you know what's we have to address the elephant in the room here Paul and that is that you know you say in in Trump we trust we're trusting that he's making these tough decisions. But he's endorsed Lindsey Graham so what do you do with that i it seems like you don't take it personally but what what do you tell the voters in South Carolina about about that well let's remember Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham back in March I jumped in this race in August it's because I couldn't hold my nose and I was not on the radar for president Trump so I jumped in this because i've been a Trump guy from the jump when Lindsey Graham was saying you know that he'd be the worst president or disaster for the Republican party went on to.

44:14Past that dossier over to the FBI i'm a guy who was working for president Trump and in in in the war room so look I don't take it personally every day that the Trump administration rolls out project 2025 proposals that includes stuff like you know putting the servicemen back in who were drilled out because they refused to take the jab or stripping DEI from a military all these sort of things you know that's kind of an imprimatur of my work. We have to get Lindsey Graham out he's very unpopular here at home and right now he's under way under 50% so there will be a runoff it's who is your fighter who's the guy who's actually been fighting and who do you want in the future yeah and so let's let's go there and Blake if you have a follow up please by all means i'm going to ask about Lynch next so i don't know if you have a follow up no i think it's a good time get it yeah so you you just mentioned the runoff here Paul so we've got. Give us the schedule of events and then make your case why you and not Lynch right we got about 205 or six events in the next.

45:2080 days or so to the election the the primaries June 9th i'm moving all over the state i just threw in a million dollars of my own money for this race i've hired the number one digital team in the state these are the guys who took Charleston here when talking to you from they flipped it to red for the first time since reconstruction so we are moving out digitally. This is where all the excitement is and you know this is also the promise in the next generation i should also say for older viewers look not get your cotton pick in hands off social security Lindsey Graham because he's going to cut those benefits given the chance to pay for these wars and he's doing the same with that benefits i'm going to be a guy who works for the constituents and for that matter for Democrats here in South Carolina we all sit in traffic we all have the horrific infrastructure we all get the terrible electric. The terrible electric bills you know when i bring healthy food here that's going to help everyone so that's the promise of this campaign it's really a generational change to Lindsey my two components they're 70 year old guys this that's old that's out you know and and once an unknown and the other guy we know all too well what he'll what he'll do is backstab press and Trump will put in Democrats on the Supreme Court like he did.

46:37And so the my or he put those district court judges i'm a top attorney i went to university Virginia school of law i'm former president of the federalist society for two terms i'm a constitutional conservative and i will be a force i will get Fauci in an orange jumpsuit okay that's what i'm going to do i'm actually going to drag these scoundrels there's no way they're getting off on my watch you know you look at the combi and in clapper and all these clowns that Lindsey Graham never did anything. For let's send somebody to Washington who's actually going to go after them well you you probably just want a lot of fans in this audience with the Fauci line i'm not going to kill my he killed my father and when i get up there in the judiciary committee i'm going to be like Fauci my name is Paul dance you killed my father prepare to lie. yeah fair enough so what what what about your opponent lynch what what why not why you and not him.

47:37Well i've been in the arena that's about in line it's it's a little late to start walking on the field for Super Bowl Sunday when you haven't taken a play in the NFL i've been working for President Trump since 15 i was in the engine room 16 helped him bring him across the line in. In Pennsylvania then I went to work for Dr Carson and like I said I took over federal agency at OPM I know the whole gang because I set up project 2025 and worked with TP USA and a hundred other partners in the conservative sphere so. You know this is i'm ready to get to work day one I know the policies a lot of what the White House is doing is works that came from from what I helped to organize so. You know whether it's working with the DPC and Vince Hayley look I know Vince you know I helped them they got the first six copies of our book so this is seamless i'm going to be president Trump's number one fighter in the US Senate and you're going to have. Paul you know a guy you can walk in his office and say no get me get me some answers I want to see people in leg irons you know with the sack there's look they better get me on the good day because that's is prison on the good day.

48:48And God forbid on bad day which happened here is genocide and people need we need accountability Fauci again on a good day he'll be in jail. Blake final question to you we got a minute and a half left you know I guess. I think I think we've got a pretty I think we got that that was such a strong statement I almost don't want another question here it's you made a strong case. We want to be clear yeah well so definitely send us emails and but we want to just make it clear we haven't endorsed anyone in this but I know Charlie was a an ally of yours a friend of yours he was a huge fan of project twenty twenty five twenty five and people should take all of that into an account but definitely send us. You need to honor Charlie's legacy he came to the Alabama theater here in North Murtle Beach three weeks before he was killed and said South Carolina you need a new US center he's talking to all of us not just us here in South Carolina I've thrown down for this I put in my money I'm I'm putting my life on the line and I've gotten death threats right with project twenty twenty five buying put a death threat on me but the reality is like we're patriots two hundred fifty years.

49:59Two hundred fifty years so I'm asking everyone who's listening go to Paul Dan's dot com sign up follow us at Dan's for Senate on X throwing some of your tribute your money if you can this is something that we easily do but it needs all of us coming together. All Dan's dot com Paul Dan's dot com thank you for your time sir that was a very compelling pitch thank you sir. Alright this might seem weird coming from somebody who's a little bit younger but if you are about to turn sixty five or if you're already on Medicare this message is for you. You see Charlie cared a lot about America seniors and he was outraged that so many were paying too much for their Medicare coverage and getting less than they deserved in return. That's why we partnered with chapter chapters licensed advisor search every Medicare plan there is every single one to find what's actually best for you. The call is one hundred percent free no pressure just real honest help senior saving average of eleven hundred dollars a year with chapter that's right eleven hundred dollars a year.

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52:06What I want you to do in the mid east are friends and sorry or even other places step forward and say this is my fight to I join America I'm publicly involved and bring this regime down. So sir that is a that is the senator right now from the state of the South Carolina. Why what's it going to take to unseat Lindsey Graham and why are you the right man for the job. Well the people in South Carolina have have said 57% of them back when we pulled in May that they will not vote for Lindsey Graham again. They they love Trump they know Trump endorse Lindsey but that endorsement won't save in this time and I'm running on a God first platform to bring back true conservative patriotism to this seat. Lindsey has had a 57% constitutional voting record he's failing South Carolinians he's betrayed us with a 43% conservative review score. And he stabs Trump in the back every chance he has and we've all seen him he hasn't been in South Carolina for over a year he's been everywhere else.

53:11You know trying to start war war three because he's got a bloodlust just he salivates when he talks about war. But he'll come back home to take our sons and daughters over to the Middle East I don't think so. You're not taking our our children over there for your bloodlust financial gain and we say no to that in South Carolina and enoughs enough we've had enough in Lindsey. I think that's the bloodlust really resonates resonates with me it resonates I'm sure with Blake and of course it resonated with Charlie. So the question then becomes why you and not Paul Dan's what what why should South Carolinians vote for you in the primary and send you to the runoff against Lindsey Graham. Well I was born in Greenville I'm a lifelong South Carolinian Paul's never lived here he's from New York resides in Maryland he steps into this race I think to probably upset the numbers and split the vote off. He's an attorney in South Carolina says they're not for attorneys they're for successful business men like Trump they don't want another attorney or career politician so that's me.

54:17I've run my family business and I've grown at 35 times in 40 years and we're debt free I don't think Paul even has a job right now since he was fired from heritage organization. So South Carolinians are looking for somebody this this work through normal life stuff I've been married 37 years to the same woman we have two children four grandchildren. We're very successful and run a debt free business and I've put five million of our retirement fund my wife and I's retirement fund when we decided to do this to make people understand we're committed to this race we've got skin in the game. I came up through this and got asked to run from my work in the national security space working with John Guandolo who was one of the heads of the anti terrorism division of the FBI working with general Mike Flynn who's fully endorsed my campaign so we're for real and we bring that knowledge to this seat. This needed in this United States Senate seat Blake.

55:18Yeah next question to you sir. Yeah Mark so we asked Paul his position on obviously immigration is another big issue that a lot of people care about he said he endorsed a moratorium on immigration for the United States. How do you feel on the immigration question in particular and what's what's the right approach for the U.S. on obviously illegal but also legal immigration. Yeah that's the key word we have immigration this is this American dreams for everybody if they come through the proper channels of legal vetting but to have open borders like we've had with Obama and Biden thousands of terrorists have entered this country illegally. Lindsay's been for granting amnesty for all illegal aliens which is just insane and you know he's he's helped produce these sanctuary cities that he's now saying he's against and trying to stop but you know America's full we've got to we've got to get rid of the illegal aliens in here and deport them they know they're illegal a lot of them are terrorists and like everybody says now this I ran war what are we going to do about the sleeper sales.

56:26And people understand that now and you know we've been working in this area since 2014 training our police and FBI and sled agents and police deputies and sheriff's deputies on dealing with the Islamic infiltration and American dealing with it at the local level so we've got a real problem here we've got a lot of work to do. So on the legal immigration front just to kind of drill in a little there right now you know we issue about 1.2 million green cards a year essentially what is is do you have a disagreement with that number is it too high is it just right would you go for maybe a net zero more immigration moratorium on the legal side of that ledger. Yeah we probably need a net zero for a while to get cleaned up and get called up to what we've caused and we've got to stop the H1B and op visas you know we have students that like Clemson University talking about that one of the students said I'm an engineering student and I graduate next year and I will be competing against students from India their country paid for their tuition and they'll never assimilate into this country and they'll take my job for half pay and I was born here.

57:38And you know Mr. Lynch what are we doing about that and I agree we've got to bring back America first principles bring our manufacturing back and hire Americans for our jobs. I want to ask another question because it's another one we put to Paul so there's a lot of dispute among the base over whether the senate is doing enough to support the president at the leadership level we have this dispute over the save act whether they should get rid of the filibuster do you think it is time for us to get rid of the filibuster to pass more conservative legislation and do you think we should have different leadership of Republicans in the senate. And 100% you know we have we use a nice word called rhinos like we use abortion for murdering our children in this country as murder but we've got to get true Republicans back in the senate and I'm for ending the filibuster the filibuster allows for our senate to hide they play the shale game they don't ever get to a decision if anything's hard on one side of the other it stalls out and you know we have our homeland security

58:43department of our country closed for 30 days or more so far that's incredible we I don't get to do that in my business we have to gather up our biggest best committees on a subject analyze it here all the angles and make a decision and keep moving forward if I close my business for a month that would be detrimental to our company's future and to our employees that's insane. Yeah I mean I think we all share your your frustrations in that we you know we just had a great senator on the show Eric Schmidt from the great state of Missouri he's proposing something called the scam act you see these sleeper cells that have popped up whether the lone wolves are not they're motivated by Islamic ideas jihad he's proposing that we make it easier to denaturalize and deport these people would you support the scam actor yes from what you've told me yes I mean you we've got a problem you know in the Quran all Muslims are jihadist and jihad is war against all non Muslims and there's two forms of jihad and the surah versus the sword military action and then civilization jihad where they say they will take their enemies down by their own hands and we've experienced that in this country they've never fired a shot

1:00:05I mean in South Carolina they're proposing we're one of two states left in the country that hasn't passed a hate crimes bill and a hate crimes bill is being promoted by care the council of American Islamic relations and they're a Hamas terrorist organization. Now why would care be so interested in South Carolina state house passed in a hate crimes bill because that'll do away with our first amendment freedom of speech rights and it usheres in. Sharia law is just another another form of getting that done and all Muslims are obligated to establish in a caliphate under Sharia law period and there's no other version of Islam told anywhere in the world we've got a problem right here at home where Lindsay's focused on everything else and he's left left our country we've got issues right here where we've allowed all these terrorists to pour in here all these years and report to their signed locations.

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1:02:12Choose freedom choose the right pharmacy go to all family pharmacy dot com slash Kirk use code Kirk 10 to save 10% on your next order that's all family pharmacy dot com slash Kirk. We need to get rid of Lindsey Graham and so we had Paul dance and our talk with Mark Lynch so let's talk about. Israel foreign policy. I have an honest question here Mark how many days a month is Lindsey Graham even in South Carolina none. He's been in Israel going over there at least every couple of weeks like he says for two weeks and he says I'll dive with Israel you know so we see his loyalty to Israel and not America I mean that's shocking and I hope everybody internalizes that at home you you know we have a lot of evangelicals that watch the show they love Israel. We we sort of work we support them we like them more than the other guys but I say I was born in this country I'm going to die in this country my kids are born in this country they're going to die in this country I'm all about this country.

1:03:18What's your position sir on the state of Israel how should America's partnership be with Israel and then relate it to the conflict in Iran please yes well I love Israel you know my lord and savior was a Jew. But if I go to the U.S. Senate I work for America and we have our own sovereignty right here to protect and I've read the book nobody's going to mess with Israel God's got his hand on them he's blessing Israel protecting them I know they're surrounded by all these Muslim nations and they are our ally but on a business standpoint in math we're broke we're 38 trillion dollars in total. So if Netanyahu called and I was sitting with Trump I'd say hey we were just fixing to call you to ask you for some money we're broke over here and can you send us some F-15s and a cup of billion dollars we we need some cash right now we're in a bind over here and we've got a 10 dollar stuff at home before we can come back over there and help you and I I know I love Trump he's one of the greatest presidents ever.

1:04:26He's for promoting peace he's a great negotiator like we've all seen and he gives people a chance and he he promotes peace and Lindsay I don't know who he thinks he is back during the Ukraine dilemma this past summer finally Trump called him out on it said you need to be careful what you're talking about over there to Zelensky he was trying to arbitrate between Putin and Zelensky and promote peace and Lindsay so Warmogra doing everything he can for his two major countries. The contributor is Boeing and Lockheed Martin who both contributed like over 30 and 40 million dollars in his last race in 2020 so we know war is big bucks but you know it's blood money we can't start wars we don't need to start we need to promote peace in the world and do the right thing and take care of our Americans here at home and run our country and not let other countries run us or some blood lust more warmogra.

1:05:26Like Lindsey Graham is gotta stop everybody's tired of it. I want to poke at another issue where I think there could be a difference between you and Mr. Dan's so you mentioned the budget how we're broke. Dan's when he was on here he warned that Lindsey Graham wants to reduce social security benefits that he'll go after some of the senior entitlements to pay for the war to pay for his wars. Exactly so how do you feel on that dimension do you think it is time that we reformed some of those things or where since we are concerned about the budget and how broke we are where do you think that Congress should look to reduce spending. I mean everywhere when we present we show the hierarchy of the government we show all the unconstitutional agencies and one of them is like the Department of Education. We've been corrupt in our minds with a core education program that communist and Islamic terrorists wrote to get our children to hate America they don't learn our history they get taught they should probably look at transgender surgeries and change their sex if they want to.

1:06:30And these departments and unconstitutional agencies in the country if we if we could close them all down the expert economists say that would bring back 80% of our budget and one of them is the Federal Reserve you know that's a conglomeration of the richest families in the world that went down to Jekyll Island and formed that and we're printing money increasing our inflation and then they we wake up and they take a scam overnight like they did in 2008 and 300 billion dollars was paid off to them. And then they ushered in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and started taking over our housing and Obama care our health insurance and we're we're slowly rolling into communism you know and everybody's everybody's I think caught up on that topic now and we see where we are but we've got a cut spending. That's what I do in business you know we're debt free personally and corporately and when we don't have money I don't have a printer that we can just keep printing more money so wars are costly thing and we've been spending an average at the beginning of one and a half billion dollars a day and increasing and adding on to the our our deficit at 38 tree and growing we can't pay the interest and our grandchildren are going to have a chance.

1:07:50At the country that I grew up in and that's why I'm running to stop this and get it back under control. So you would be a budget hawk it sounds like a deficit hawk and which which we fully endorse. So yeah Lindsey's Lindsey's Lindsey spend the head of the budget committee he's failing in that area too isn't he. So it's time for him to go 30 seconds here sir I think this is going to be a referendum on who can be Lindsey. So we'll end where we started final pitch why can you beat Lindsey and not dance and tell people where they can find you. Yes well I'm a lifelong South Carolinian we have the finances in our FEC account to do it Paul doesn't. I'm a God fearing patriot I'm an ordained beacon at our church we were these crosses with the American flag on it because making God first again will be the key to making America great again. That'll just be the fruit if we can bring God back into Congress you know our forefathers knew that they God endowed us with certain unalienable rights.

1:08:54And my only authority is your United States Senator for South Carolina will be to protect those making decisions based off of God's word and through the Constitution. That's how I'll make every decision. God bless you Mark Lynch running for Senate. Thank you for your time sir God bless you. Thank you God bless y'all. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to Charlie Kirk dot com.