Where Did the Ultrasound Come From? | BONUS

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2:02Hey, it's Stephanie, back with another bonus episode. And just a content disclaimer here, we will be talking about pregnancy loss. In episode 6, you heard about how content creator Dave Neal and journalist Megan Fox discovered a fiverr logo on an ultrasound that Laura Owens had given Greg Gillespie. They made this discovery while Dave was on a live stream. We already knew she had a, you know, pension for lying. We knew that she was faking and stealing all these ultrasounds. The ultrasound that Dave Neal is talking about, the one they discovered a fiverr logo on, didn't just appear out of thin air. It was taken from somewhere. And Dave Neal's community tracked down the real person behind this ultrasound. This lady in Texas had written a blog about enduring the death of one of her twins. She's a member of men's mothers enduring neonatal death. She's an advocate for helping women going through such a devastating time.

3:02The blog was originally written in 2014 by a woman named Stormi. We're not going to use her last name here for her privacy. But she later gave a statement to the Maricopa County investigators, where she said she'd started a blog in 2011 to help her cope with grief after she had a stillbirth. She posted about her next two pregnancies on the blog, including a pregnancy she had in 2014. When Stormi went for her first ultrasound, she learned she was having twins. But a few weeks later, one of the fetuses died and was absorbed by the other twin. The blog was about something called vanishing twins syndrome, which actually happens in about 20 to 30 percent of twin pregnancies. In most cases, the other twin will develop normally, which was true in Stormi's case. She wrote about it on her blog. And now several years later, her own story is being used against her because somebody stole the ultrasound off the internet. Members of Dave's audience ultimately found the source of the ultrasound

4:03through a reverse image search on Google. And Dave got in touch with Stormi. We reached out as compassionately as she could, because we're reopening a wound. We just wanted to help her and we really felt like she should know and maybe find out from us rather than from someone else that she had this stolen. Stormi told Maricopa County investigators that when she saw the ultrasound Laura was using, she immediately recognized it as her own. She said the image holds special significance to her, because it's the only physical evidence she has that this second baby existed. It's important to know that because Laura would later steal this lady's story, which I don't need to tell people how offensive that is. We all understand this lady's put together a mission to help out other mothers because this was such a tough time period of her life. The blog since been taken down. Stormi said she didn't know anyone outside of her friends and family had been looking at it. Something I've learned throughout my research for this story

5:04is that Dave Neal and his community always want to help out. I just knew my audience wanted to do something good. And a lot of times in cases like this, you have to wait for the court to play out and you really can't do much. And my audience has been known to help fundraise people in the past and I said let's just put together a fundraiser. Dave started a GoFundMe for Stormi. We raised a bunch of money and we raised probably $6,000 and we just said go at it, have fun. Dave's community was hoping they could raise enough money for Stormi to throw her son an extra special birthday party or take a family vacation. There's so much collateral damage from this story. There's so many victims and you watch a story like this and it feels senseless. It feels like you can't do anything. And it was just another instance where the audience almost proves Laura wrong. Like she decided to live in this hostile world. My audience didn't. My audience is in a world of justice, compassion, and we have to just constantly remind each other that even though it's such a tough subject to cover,

6:06we can focus on the survivors, we can focus on the victims and not on what might happen to Laura threat this. Whatever happens to her is a consequence of the truth coming out. Dave and his community have played a huge role in this story, not only in covering it, but also in supporting those who never wanted to be caught up in it. So with six episodes out, I called Dave to talk about the release of the show. We've spoken so much over the past nine months as I've been reporting on this story. But Dave Neal has been covering it since the news broke about Clayton Eckerd in 2023. I chatted with Dave to talk about the case we've both been consumed by. So what has it been like for you now that six episodes of Love Trapped Are Out? And you've listened to them and you're kind of reliving this as it played out? It's so trippy and surreal. And I'm like on one end, you know, like a typical, I don't know, YouTuber or comedian.

7:11I'm like judging what I'm saying. Like did I get that? Did I get that note right? Do I sound unhinged? I'm just trying to communicate my emotions and those emotions for this case went from frustration to relief, to vindication, to feeling very defensive of the community. It's definitely surreal. I covered this on like sort of a PhD level where we got so deep into it. And you're covering it, telling the story three dimensionally, not just through my own noggin. And I think that's really, really great to hear all of the different stories of Woodnick, the lawyer, and Clayton. All of the people that are involved because yeah, everyone's got, everyone's got like a similar through line, but we've all been affected differently. So in episode five, you have a line in that episode and you say, I will make as many videos as it takes to get this thing right. My question for you is, how many videos do you think that is at this point? Oh man, I'd have to guess over 250.

8:11I don't know, did you count? That's a lot. I haven't had time to count. I can totally see how people don't like YouTubers. They get a bad rap. So it was easy for her in her attorney to paint this picture. Like I'm just some douchebag. But it's not my first rodeo. I've dealt with this for so long. Like I know, I knew covering it to just try to clean my hands and be as immaculate as possible. And the one thing that I've learned is just like, follow what's interesting to me. And my intuition on this one was that it was going to be probably the biggest story I ever covered. It's been quite an investment of my time. But I don't regret it. You know, I made some good friends out of it. And again, the story's not over. And who knows? My fingers are still crossed that one day. She'll want to tell me the true story. Thank you so much for listening. If you want to go down the rabbit hole with Dave Neal, you can find him on YouTube or check out his twice daily podcast, The Rush Hour.

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10:11But hey, no one's perfect. We're pretty close, though. Listen to the Nick Dickenpole show on the iHeart radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're watching the latest season of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, you already know there's a lot to break down. Of course you're accusing Kelly of sleeping with a merry man. They holding came a shell back from fighting Drew. Pinkie has financial issues. On the podcast, Reality with the King, I, Carlos King, recap the biggest moments from your favorite reality shows, including The Real Housewives franchise. The drama, the alliances, and the tea everybody's talking about. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the iHeart radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

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