What should you watch on TV this Fall?

0:00Hey, I'm Vanessa and I work on Q with Tom Power. And one thing I can promise you, our podcast is made by huge nerds. We love art, we're genuinely curious about the artists we talk to. Take Laura Marlene. I've loved her music for more than a decade. So when she put out a surprise album of Raffi Covers, I knew there was a bigger story there. A story about getting older, letting your guard down, and letting life make you more tender. You can hear that now on Q with Tom Power, wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Days are getting shorter, nights are getting longer, and you know what that means. Yes, it's fall, but it's also that magical time where we are blessed with the gifts of new and returning television shows. I'm El Amin Abdel Mahmoud. This is commotion, Roxana Hadadis here, Riley S. Knows here, and Jackson Weaver is here, and hello to all of you. Hello, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Listen, we got so much new TV to talk about.

1:02I think we should start with North of North of North for you guys that month. Season two just arrived. Right, season two, the comedy series just premiered on CBC and APTN. The show centers on CIA, and CIA is so funny, and she's played by Annalam. She's trying to figure out her life. She's just separated from her husband, and she's like, okay, how do I make sense of the life that I'm living now in a Caliwete where everyone knows everyone? Riley, I'll start with you. You're a fan of season one. Do you want to try out what you enjoy about North and North? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to like about North of North. For me, one of the things that I especially love is that it's a show, yes, that everybody's invited. It's universally funny, but I think that it's primary audience is Indigenous people, and that they make sure that that's the audience that's going to see this foremostly, and be like, I loved that. All right, I felt very seen by that. And yeah, non-Indigenous people are invited to join in, but things like when you see Tanya Tagak show up or La Clique-Lake Williams, and you see land back on the back of a jacket and stuff like that.

2:04Those are details that a non-Indigenous audience might gloss over, but then for us, you look and you're like, oh my god. This is an excitement. Yeah, I'm totally agree. Okay, so you're a fan of season one. You've now had a chance to watch the first couple episodes of season two. What do you think, pal? I really am so excited about the second season, and the first episode especially, I think really showed me one of the things that I think North of North does so well, which is that it is still so funny. It's still so heartwarming, CIA. You root for her. You want her to get all these things that she wants. And she's so relatable. She's a 20-something that's, yes, trying to figure out a lot of things, but still so rooted in her culture and her community. And so she's very easy to root for character. And then at the same time, you've got all of these white folks up in the... In the... A cruise ship tourist. Yes, man. The boss, the influencer, and it's these archetypes that are so relatable

3:04and make for such good comedy as well. So I love that they have these pieces as well as the heartfelt rootable characters and storylines. I want to come back to the boss. The white folks are up there, including the boss in just a moment. But, or actually, I'm in Jackson. There's something very familiar, I think, about the format of North or North, just as a sitcom as you watch it. Is that the thing that makes it work, Roxanna? I do think that it has a real knowledge of sitcoms. Like, it's aware of the genre with which it's playing. And I think it hits on some typical touchstones of the sitcom. I mean, the entire conceit of a small town is trying to get attention and respect for itself is very pony. It's very popular. Yeah. Widows Bay. That's very, very, very, very, very, like it is very much like, what can we do in a half-hour comedy to build a really strong sense of place? Give us a wacky town with a bunch of wacky characters. And so I think that, shout out to Bonnie. So I think that it does that really, really well.

4:06And there's like a level of familiarity when we watch this show. Then coupled with like how unique this place is and these rituals and these people. And so it's just, it's a very smart and clever redo of the sitcom. I actually, for you as you watch a show, like what's the thing that you think makes North or North work? I mean, I think that it very much is rooted in the style of sitcom. And that's normally not a style for me. I'm very much always arguing with people about how I don't like episodic. I like serialized. I want to watch a show where if I watch like the third episode of the second season, I want to have no clue what's going on because you need to watch the prior one. Not necessarily entirely what North or North is doing. It's very much in the best of ways, an easy watch. Somebody that's easy to root for it has comedy that's accessible. But at the same time, there is more going on there. As you know, as you noted exactly about the kind of cultural tensions that are discussed, about even the inter-familiar tensions, the tensions between like what different people's backgrounds are.

5:07And I think it's done in artfully enough of a way with a deceptively complex writing style. I will argue that that gets me into it. That's what gets me into a sitcom style that I don't necessarily usually like. There's maybe going too deep. There's like sadness there. There's issues there. There's a depth there that I really, really appreciate. And I am finding myself drawn to it more and more as it goes on. I think deceptively complex is exactly the thing that I like about this show. I think it's working on a bunch of different levels. And so I just want to play this clip from this, from the first episode of season two. We've kind of established already in the style of Pony and in the style of Windows Bay. We're talking about the residents of IceCov, of IceCov, which is a fictional community. And they are doing the thing. We're trying to attract more tourists to come visit. And CIS boss, a white person, at the community center, is hoping a young influencer who's not, you know, can help this clip stars with one of the influencers' Instagram posts about IceCov. IceCov, none of it, not a vegetable in sight. So today we are trying some muttuck.

6:07Mmm. I'm also learning the language. I'm up. Happy's hello. This is who Helen picked to represent our community. That was great. For real, can't get enough of her content. It's one cliche after another. Well, exactly. It's cringe-gold. Vernis or videos did kind of alert the cruise lines to IceCov in the first place. Look, Alexis is sweet, but she's sweet and culturally problematic. Oh, yeah. Tattole of my biography. No, you might want to mute the radio next time. Right, I do feel like that clip does a lot, actually. It's just like just that little moment, right? Because you get the sort of the DNA of North of North. It's just like, it's funny, but there's also a lot of layers going on there. What's going on? Totally. I mean, I think one of the most impressive things about North of North is the way that the butt of the joke is often, again, the white people in IceCov. Whether it's the boss, whether it's this influencer, whether it's the tourists, but they do this in a way that I don't think alienates a white audience.

7:10And in this storyline in that first episode with the influencer, it's a perfect example where at the end of the episode, spoiler alert, if you don't want to hear this, but it's just that they say at the end, that was hard to hear, but not necessarily wrong. And then the creator learns that she can still support the community, film it, show its beauty without having to be the face of it. And so in that way, they're also being very, I think, instructive to white audiences where it's like, yeah, sometimes you're acting a fool, but they're, you know, we're not condemning you. And there are pathways to being actually, you know, a meaningful part of this community. And I think that they thread that that needle so gracefully in a way that I think it could make some people upset, but the humor, the way that they treat even those characters, those problematic characters with a little bit of grace really helps, you know, curb that. Oh, sometimes you're actually a fool, but we're not condemning you. It's the most generous thing you can say to a person. Roxanna, 30 seconds to you. What are you hoping to see from the rest of the season?

8:11We talked about this a little bit earlier, but I think that there are some characters that are really fascinating and prickly in a way that you don't always get in sort of this sitcom format. And I'm speaking specifically about the character of Nevee, who is C.I. his mother, who's played by Micah Harper. She is a recovering alcoholic. She runs the general store. I want to know what's her deal. What's she going to get up to? I agree. Taxi, what about you? I mean, I like everything we've mentioned so far in the show is so well done. Almost a little bit of an impossible ask. I would like them to dig a little bit deeper into that criticism that's specifically the influencer, where she really acknowledges her guilt and I'm going to fix everything and I'm a good person where her friends again. I would like them to go a little bit deeper, be a little bit more explorative. And as was mentioned as well, the backstory about Nevee, the prickliness, there's like a lost daughter aspect. I want to see if they can be a little bit more substantive, but while maintaining this lighthearted good comedy, and that's an impossible ask. So, I was like, as you say, I was like, Jackson saying, hey, can you get a little darker,

9:16but keep being funny though? Can you be most diverse and difficult to write show of all time, please? That's all I would like. I really love the expectations you just started with the show. That's a perfect place to be. Riley, what about you? Yeah, yeah, no, here, here. I want to see, because I left the last season of North of North crying. Like, I was like, oh, I felt so emotionally moved by the end and I can see them building towards that emotional high, perhaps introducing a new character of Nevee's lost child. I want to see what that looks like. And I also want Cia and Cooke to get together. I'm sorry, I need Alexis to leave. I know we just redeemed you, but get out of my East Coast to see I can have your boyfriend. Let's see if this is where we end up going. You can catch season two of North of North on CBC, Jim and APTN. We are going to take a quick break and then when we come back, so much more fall TV to talk about. Hey, I'm Vanessa and I'm a producer on Q with Tom Power. We connect to you with artists who've lived extraordinary lives and have some pretty interesting things to say about being human.

10:18Take the violinist, Vijay Gupta. He was this child prodigy who played Carnegie Hall when he was eight, but then he started asking himself, is being great at something worth it if you can't do it with joy. I really love this episode. I think you will too. It's on Q with Tom Power, wherever you get your podcasts. We are back. I'm Elimine Abdul-Mahmoud and this is commotion and I've got Roxana Haddaddi here on Riley Yes-No here on Jackson Weaver here. I want to get into some of the other shows that we're all looking forward to this fall. Roxana, I'm going to start with you. You wanted to talk about the HBO comedy show Youth. Why is that show on your radar? Go off. I am very excited for youth for two words and those two words are Sharon Horgan. Let's go. Sharon Horgan is incredible. Crater of bad sisters on Apple TV. Yes. Yes. Crater of bad sisters. She has such a long line of television shows that she has created Shining Vale, bad sisters. She has this very acidic, dark comedy style that I really,

11:22really respond to. I think bad sisters was, I don't even know how to talk about it. I mean, it was a show that was very skeptical and resentful toward men, which like respect. But it also had had just like a very strong core of family and an understanding of sibling relationships in particular in a way that I really appreciate. All that is to say, her new show is Youth and it is about a divorced woman whose son is going to college. And so she finally realizes like, maybe I can live a little bit for myself. So it is sort of a sex exploration comedy, a little bit like dying for sex, but without like the inherent tragedy of that show. And a little bit of like when you're sort of like free of the burden of taking care of someone. Yeah. How do you not take care of yourself? There is this great moment in the trailer in an early episode where she's trying

12:23to eat a burger on a bus and it drops on the floor of the bus. And she is about to take it up and eat it. And then notices another woman watching the show. The shame appears. But like that moment of trying to just like be really hedonistic and failing. I think you really, really fun. So I'm looking forward to that. I do feel like for me like, I don't know about you, right? But like for me like Sharon Horgan's one of those people, well, you keep watching them make better and better and better and better and better stuff. And then they finally get to this moment and go like, okay, let this person cook, let this person have all the freedom we could possibly have. I feel like when I saw the trailer for youth, I was like, oh, this is that arrival moment. This is not that she needs to arrive in any kind of meaningful way. But like this is going to sort of maybe introduce her to a whole new audience that maybe hasn't seen her billions before, you know? Yeah, totally. I mean, bad sisters again is I watched it. Love Sharon Horgan in that. And I think that I watch her in Bob's Burgers. Also, she voices a lot of pictures and Bob's Burgers. You know, I've now I got to the point where I could see her in all these places. And I was like, who is this woman? And now I'm like

13:25addicted. And so anything that she's in, I will give the time of day. But you're right that I don't know that everybody has reached that point with her yet where they see her recognize her and know that she picks interesting characters. She makes interesting shows. And like I think that maybe you're right. This can be a nice world where she can ascend to have everyone feel this way. And the comparison that I make Jackson is I like everyone's gonna get to someone go like, oh, this person should be way more famous. And like I kind of go like, oh, I hope this is the thing that makes them as famous as they actually need to be speaking of you are you are. And this is the pivot point for us. It's like with the thing that you think we're done because you are here to talk about Anthony Mackie show. Yes. Anthony Mackie, you know, came on my radar. I don't know. Eight miles. So it's been a minute. You know what I mean? And yet, he's still not had that big blow. He's got a new show. Want to talk about it? I mean, yeah, 12 12 12. It's a heist show. It is about the gimmick is I think it's 12 months before a heist is how long it takes to plan a

14:25heist. And there's the 12 hours, I believe, of the heist actually taking place. And then you see the 12 days after the heist where the show says that if a bank robber isn't caught in those 12 days and they get off scot free. So it's set up in a very gimmicky way. Anthony Mackie is the character that play he's like this this district disgrace detective that is trying to track down another character Jamie Dornan. Yeah. It's like the villain of the character. So I'm really into heist. I think that they're so simplistic and silly and they give you exactly what you're looking for in terms of you know what's going to happen. You know, there's going to be like the getting the team together seeing you know, there's going to be the like intricate safe cracking scene. You know, there's going to be the car chase whenever there's no surprises. And I love being given what I'm asking for. And you know, some people like romp home because they're predictable. I love a heist because it's predictable. They're not reinventing the wheel. But when it comes to Anthony Mackie, he came up to my radar. I think actually first with a pain and gain one of the most unsung movies of all time. I think it is a genius masterwork. Yeah. And everyone hates it but me. But he's a side character. Silly doesn't

15:30really do you say pain and gain rocks. I mean, oh, I love that movie. It's a capitalism. Yeah. It's such such a good character piece. Anthony Mackie is weird a character actor in it. More recently, I think he's been cast as kind of like a leading man. They try to like Glenn Powell him and she off the edges, make him Captain America, put him in everything marvel. And I don't think anything has really hit because I don't think that's who he really is. Yeah. I don't know about the show yet. It might be bad. It might be terrible. But I think it gives at least the possibility from to be funny, odd, weird, interesting in a way that can make him as famous. I think he deserves because right now he is almost everything is just not hitting because they're trying to make him Glenn Powell. Nobody did good at. I just I'm the I'm the loving heist thing. Yes. I can watch 1000 putting together a team sequences. 100%. I actually don't even need the highest to happen. I just kind of go like I'm putting together a team. Even in this conversation, we're putting together a team. You guys want to come to the stable. That's it. Like I'm going to go like let's do that again. Let's put together a different team. Those sequences are always kind of the best. 12 12 12 is on Apple

16:33TV plus on November 13th. And also the show that you mentioned earlier, Roxana, the youth that premieres on HBO, which is also going to be on Crave in Canada on September 20th. Riley, the thing you're excited about is dig, which is an Amy polar joint. Amy polar, Mike sure to be an aponny. Let's talk about it. Why are you saying about dig? Oh my gosh. Okay. So I think the thing is when I look at like my top 10 favorite shows of all time, a lot of them are comedies. However, I will say I think comedies when they hit are so good and they're so easy to do bad. Way easier to do bad than I think a drama even. 100%. But the premise of dig is we're talking about archaeologists working together on archaeological site. Like they're just at a dig. That's what? Yes. That doesn't lend itself immediately to Amy polar. That's a workplace. That's a workplace. Workplace comedy. We're going to work. Yes. And I mean, and it's maybe not as relatable as Leslie Noap and Pony being in the you know, the government. But like I think that might even make it give

17:34it that extra little flavor where I don't feel like she's quite replicating parks and wreck in that way. But she's still bringing in the comedy heavy hitters, you know, her creative collaborators. Hugh Laurie is also going to be in it as well. You know, I'm what kind of character? He could be a super serious one. He could be a really ridiculous one. He could be house. I want it. That's great. And so I want it. And I Amy Poler is again, one of those people that she's earned the benefit of the doubt for me where anything that she does, I will watch it and go in with a high expectation and have usually not been let down. So I'll I'll be there for dig. She loves the laugh. She's ready to laugh. Okay. So we should say dig premieres on peacock on November 23rd. We are still waiting for the information on when that's going to be available in Canada. I think it will be some out of sort of waiting for the details of that. I do want to pivot to some of the big adaptations that are going to be coming to our screens as fall. You've got East of Eden. You've got Pride and Prejudice is also carry. That was of course like you have the you have the movie. But you were

18:34were getting we're getting carry the series Jackson. What are your expectations for this series? I mean, I'm really excited by how this is going to get built out. It's a very spare movie. And as I have learned a very spare novel. So to make it into a mini series, you're going to need to build it out a lot. I'm excited for that. I think that it's one of the craziest and most surreal revenge stories where your heroes and your villains are inverted and you root for this person that maybe don't necessarily think you should root for. It's getting adapted for the modern day. I think it'd be tricky to make like a bullying story in the 80s, even 90s work for the social media age without it feeling like a very special episode sort of thing. I'm really hopeful for it. I have a problem with Mike Flanagan. I think that he's he's kind of like a bad Ryan Murphy in the sense that he will take a controversial cultural subject and they'll try to nest it through the narrative. And I think Ryan Murphy kind of can exploit my issues like monster Jeffrey Dahmer is like about like black people being the less dead. And I think that you know, American crime story can be about

19:35you know, misogyny or it can be about depiction of black people in courts, etc. And he does it in a way that I think is exploitative, but it works as he understands those issues. Mike Flanagan has a much more surface idea of all these issues and they just feel thrown on top. And at the same time, I don't believe he believes that children have interior lives. So they all talk like they're from leave it to beaver. And I hate it. I hate it so much. And this is all about high school. So we'll see if you can do a good job of it. I'm ready to be proven wrong. But I was hateful enough of the saccharine self-indulgent life of chalk that I don't know. We'll see. I mean, the idea of you going, these don't sound like real children. Where is going on with these? There's a scene in like one of his shows where like these, there's this kid at a dinner or a breakfast table. He's like, Dad, you're missing breakfast. No 12 year old has ever said that ever. I just would like to paint a picture of the folks listening on the radio, which is just Jackson going off and Riley going, I'm gonna never felt that passion. But I think my Flanagan somewhere, he can feel this. I'm sure like wherever he is. And this is my personal issue. He's obviously very talented in.

20:36Yeah. All this stuff is good for him. I don't know. Like, the universe lives. It's a year. Roxanne, what are your expectations for it for a carry? I need to work through what just happened. Why do we all do? Literally the words bad Ryan Murphy. I was like, no, that's just Ryan Murphy. Like, what are you? Ryan Murphy. Ryan Murphy is good at exploiting my motions in a very terrible way. I was like, why am I doing the Trump pants? I was like, what, Ryan Murphy? Look, Ryan Murphy. Sometimes you can cut a hit. Sometimes you can cut a nut. This is a chaotic show. I mean, yes. All I will say is that like, I think I've seen the shards. Like, Ryan Murphy is not good at understanding teenage interior lives. Like, I don't think we need to give them that much credit. I am excited for carry because I think that there is potential. If you were bringing this story into the 2020s, I think there is something interesting that can be said about like the religious fundamentalism that carry grows up within. So I'm less interested in like the adolescent

21:37side of it because I'm not interested in teenagers. But I am interested in sort of like, what is the what is the atmosphere in which this carry grows up and how does that manifest and who the character is? I generally am a pro flanagan guy. So I do think that he has a sense of, I'm going to say the word trauma. So I think that there could be something like really fascinating here. But yeah, it's a lot for an eight hour series to take a very small essentially story. So yeah, I'll see how that goes. So carry comes out on prime video on October 7th and there's one more that we got to talk about, which is on Christmas Day, HBO's new Harry Potter adaptation, right? Each book is going to be its own season. So you get you know for sure you're getting seven seasons. Also, this is the first screen adaptation since the controversy around jiky or outling over the comments that she's made about trans people. Riley, I'll go to you on this man. What are your feelings

22:38a new Harry Potter adaptation? Boo. Okay. This is my initial thing. I'm like, we don't need it. I think this is like somebody put it to me that we're like, I think a lot of people, the only reason, like, this is happening, of course, is because we it has been proven that people are so my age and I think older are so nostalgic about this era that they can still milk all of this money out of it and make a million bad video games. The thing is to me though, right? Is that like, yes, you loved it in your kid brain. And then you as an adult should see the critiques of even those original books and know that it wasn't great fantasy. Even then, you know, like that there's better fantasy out there that the racism, the, you know, the such and even whatever. And I'm like, we can, you look like you're about to cry. I mean, I love this. But then I, the thing is, and so you see this now. And I'm like, okay, now I can invest in it. And I think we should as a society be investing in better fantasy, JK Rowling aside. And then you add JK Rowling into the picture. And there's no

23:43amount of nostalgic good feel I could get from it that would make it the right choice for me to, to then, you know, look past what she said in the harm that she's done and continues to do to queer communities. Okay. So that, but I think that point is fair. I think this is a point of like, how you feel about JK Rowling can absolutely dictate how you feel about this. I think the idea that Harry Potter was the entry point of reading for a lot of young people is a nice thing. Like, I mean, like, that is the thing that precipitates why you maybe need this adaptation. But I'm not answering for all millennials. I will not do that. I said the thing I will say, Jackson is that maybe the push to do this is like, you hear Harry Potter people. And I'm not one of them, I should say, kind of say, you know what? Her, her, her mind he was done a little bit dirty by those adaptations. Why, why was there not enough devil in those, in those, in those movies? And like, is that a thing, is that a thing that you're like, someone should make a new TV show, perhaps it should be HBO, and they should fix this. Or should we just let it go? I mean, nothing needs to exist. I think. I mean, like, what a stupid thing. There's no, like, we need the show, like, we'll all

24:47like wake up tomorrow in the world, we'll explode. We don't have a new Harry Potter. There are things that you can explore. I mean, there's this meme that shows two scenes from one from the movies, one from the shows that kind of shows that dichotomy where there's one scene where there's three kids with ones in the dark and they're like, fighting something. There's one, there's four kids in the dark fighting something. And a bunch of people are like, why is there another kid who's this invented character? And people have read the book. He's like, that's Neville. He actually was at the whole time. The story. So like, if you think that's important to get that story told, then like, yes, there's more to mine from these gargantuan, like, four, five, six, seventh books that were compressed into single one time two movies. I don't know if we need to do it so soon after the first, because when you do an adaptation or a follow, you are like also imbuing it with like, what have we learned about this? What has changed about this? I don't know if enough time has passed. And I think that the boycott against JK Rowling, regardless of whether it's well-spirited or anything else, it might be one of the most unsuccessful boycotts of all time. And I'm not sure how many people really are feeling that necessity to leave it behind. I'm not sure. Roxana Riley is indifferent to waking up on December 25th to a brand new Harry Potter either patient.

25:49She may go, you know what? Why does this exist? And Jackson says, why does anything need to exist? I don't know. Perhaps. Perhaps you want to get a little existential on this. And how do you feel? How do you feel about the need for Harry Potter to exist? Yeah. I mean, no, there's no need for it to exist. I mean, the thing is that like, things exist because they make money. And the reality is that this fan base has been so catered to already. They have theme parks. They have audible adaptations, right? They have video games. They have the audible merch. That's the way it's pretty recent, actually. Yeah. Yeah. They have stage plays. Like, it is already like a thriving subculture that makes people a lot of money. So I'm not surprised that they're going to make a show that then makes more people more money. But I do sort of think it's like a what else do you want situation? Like, are you forged on what you have? Yeah, when will it be enough?

26:56So no, I am not. I mean, I'm sure that I will have to watch this thing for work. And I'm sure the whole time I'll be grinding my teeth. So that's my thoughts on that. I cannot wait for the morning, the Christmas morning, right? The collective despair. The collective feel. Well, the collective is aware of this table. Meanwhile, millennials everywhere are like, this is pretty bad. I have to say that I as a millennial, I oppose that. I know that's the first time that I've heard the objection tendered on behalf of the generation. Yeah. Enough snake. He can go home now. This is fine. But we're getting black snake. What is one of this? Yeah. This is this is how they get you. Jackson, you're like, hey, snake, but black snake. And you go, yeah, all right. I'll give it a second. I'll give it a shot. I'll turn it on. Why not? Let's do it. Okay, before we.

27:56Representation and its consequences. It's true. Representation matters. And sometimes it does that to a person. Before just before we go, I just want to do a sort of quick go around the table of other fall shows that you guys are looking forward to. Jackson, let's start with you, pal. What do you got? Yeah, I'm excited for the show. Yeah, it is Hudson Williams plays this missing character in this mysterious town in which a lot of spooky stuff I think is going to be going on as reference to Bobby. Yeah, there's a cultism, supernaturalism. I think in there, I'd love to see what Hudson Williams is going to do after heated rivalry. Pretty stoked for that. We'll see what that's like of another show. That's coming out in October. I believe on Crave also excited for below this show set in Newfoundland starring Josh Hartnett. It's more kind of mystery thrill. Mary Walsh is in that show. I am so excited. I was in Newfoundland not too long ago and people were talking about like, yeah, they're filming this over the other day. So I'm really excited for that. I love Newfoundland after I've haven't gone there and I love a mystery thriller. I'm excited to see how Josh Hartnett puts it all together. So I'm excited for that. That's October 8th on Netflix, I think.

28:58The, I did say a small obsession of mine is hearing a sentence that has never been said before. And you're going, oh, no one's ever said that before. I mean, you said, I'm excited to see how Josh Hartnett puts it all together. No one has ever said that. That's not the full. Tapatious. It wasn't her criticism. It was like, oh, those, those words are not only in the Bible, they're just not in the, in the Lecogon maybe ever. Okay. Okay. Right. Riley has to know what about you, Palo? What do you got? Okay. I also have two. So one is slow pitch. That's amazing. I'm so excited because I think everybody still is feeling wanting more of the queer sports-based romance. But I personally love that without the homophobic society as the backdrop for a lot of this. I know that it was an important story. I love heated rivalry. But I want, you know, softball might be the gayest sport. And I'm so excited to see just, you know, full on in that regard. And then I also am really excited for the traitors, the new season. That's coming out. Right? That's my favorite game reality show

30:01right now. And they're doing this one as the new blood. So it's all all normies. And it's better because I think the first season they did it was a mix of celebrity and normal people. And it was, it didn't work. And so in my opinion, I thought that the, you know, celebrities really outmastored them in the game. And so we need all normals, all, all celebrities. Right. We're giving it. Since you brought up traitors, you legally are the regard to do an Alan impression. So could you just, you've been murdered. Can you do that? You've been murdered. Obviously, big fan of this. Also big fan of going like, if you're going to make a show about queer people doing sports, can we just not have the homophobic part of it? So that we can just focus on the queer love sports and love. Yeah, sports and love keep the homophobic. It's fine. Yeah, just keep that out of the frame. Ross, how did you take us home, pal? What shows are you looking forward to? I'm excited for two returning series, both in sort of the dark comedy sort of space. Well, no, only one is really that comedy. One of them is the fallen rise of Reggie Dinkins,

31:06which is from Robert Karlock and Sam Means, who worked on 30 Rock together. And it is, you know, Daniel Radcliffe and Tracy Morgan, Tracy Morgan is playing this disgraced football player who is found to sort of be like bedding on his games. And Daniel Radcliffe plays this documentarian who gets hired to like capture his life. It's very zany. It's like mile a minute 30 rock style comedy. But the two of them have like really unexpected chemistry. And I just could really watch them just like stare in confusion at each other and each other's antics for a long time. But so that is coming back in November and that premiered earlier this year, honestly. So to then give us a second season, only like 10 months later is pretty impressive. And then the other thing that I am excited for is the return of the lowdown from Sterling Harjo. And when we were talking about like what does North of North remind you of? I should have said reservation dogs because that show had that similar

32:11sort of like community of people like some characters, some eccentricities. And so the first season of the lowdown starred Ethan Hawke is like this truth story and journalist who was, you know, like taking on a corrupt government family. And I don't know what the mystery of season two is. But this is a very similar like very lived in sort of portrait of like a certain part of America. And again, I could watch Ethan Hawke like falling over himself for hours. And so I will continue to do that. Season one of the lowdown truly one of the most underrated seasons of the last three years. Like that's just like an excellent, excellent season of television that worked perfectly in all levels. I feel like just kind of maybe like landed at the wrong time. And if I'm like why are we not talking about this show all the time? So I too am excited about that. And also I will I'll say in the sun about half a million. The best thing that the Harry Potter film franchise gave us is Daniel

33:13Ratcliffe's acting career. 100% peri. I mean like who would have thought as you are watching all those people go like, Hey, that guy's going to become one of the most interesting actors. I continue to make maybe some of those interesting choices, you know, throughout this career, the middle that he's done this franchise. So I too, I'm on board with watching him do literally anything. It's kind of fascinating. I think that is a wonderful place to leave it. I really appreciate your time. You guys, this has been, this has been a journey. And I love this for all of us. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thanks you guys. Thank you. Yes, of course, Roxana Hadad is a TV critic at Vulture. Riley Yesno is an Anishin Abis collar from the Belmitung First Nation. Jackson Weaver is a senior writer with CBC Entertainment in Toronto. I'm a let me have to my mood. This show is called commotion. I'm going to be a way, by the way, I'm going to be a way for Thursday and Friday because I will be attending the Selene Dion concert, the first show of her residency. And that will be on commotion on Monday. I'm really looking forward to telling you all about that in the meantime. Have a good weekend.