Skip to content
TrackPodcasts
sportsApr 24, 202614:20

What's the bar for KC Concepcion as a rookie?

About this episode

Nick shares his excitement about stocking a backyard pond and creating a balanced ecosystem before the conversation shifts to the Cleveland Browns' potential draft targets. He and Jonathan analyze how the speed of KC Concepcion could impact the offense and discuss the critical need for a healthy offensive line. 01:00 - Building Pond Ecosystem 05:33 - Chicago River Traditions 07:07 - Browns Draft Strategy Analysis

Get every episode summarized

Each time Afternoon Drive on The Fan publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.

Email me new episodes

Free for 3 shows. No card needed.

Hosts & guests

Transcript ready

389 searchable segments. Every word is indexed and playable.

What's the bar for KC Concepcion as a rookie?

Afternoon Drive on The Fan

0:00
14:20

Full transcript

Afternoon Drive on The FanWhat's the bar for KC Concepcion as a rookie?. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.

We'll get to all that. Very excited. Very, very excited. Got some fish today. Oh, very good. And I'm so excited that I bought these fish. I just bought fish food. Yeah. Now, mind you, I can't pick up the fish for two weeks. That's the next time I go to pick it up. And I bought fish food for the 15 fish that I currently have in the pond. To get them satiated. So that by the time we just have a real nice fish community by the time two weeks rolls around here. Are you just going to, like, fat and happy and then just kind of let them just figure it out for themselves or how does this work? Oh, yeah, yeah. So basically, we have, so it had been and was kept stocked for a long time. In over the last, I think the last three homeowners the last like 15 years, nobody's done anything. Yeah. And so there's a couple of just hogs of a bass that have just any small fish. Like I put a couple bluegill that I caught last year, immediately eaten by this ginormous bigmouth bass. Okay. Well, I'm trying to create an ecosystem

where there's minnows and then bluegill and then bass. So that we actually have like an ecosystem that can survive. So I was trying to figure out where the humor of this was coming for you. And I get, I mean, I get the general idea. You know, you like to fish. It's going to be fun for you. But once you said creating your own little ecosystem, I got it now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you get to play God in many ways. Like you get to decide the fate of this fish. And yeah, it might not be the biggest fish in the world. It might not be the most impressive pond in the world. But you know what? You get to decide what goes in, what goes out. And here's the thing. It's kind of fun. I think our current fish touch ungrateful. I, I'm the guy every time I go out. Oh, what a beautiful fish these are. Are you speaking to him now, huh? Yeah. They get away. There's a fat man. I'm going to run away. And these new fish, they know you didn't put them in there. Yeah. Well, these new fish, they're going to, they're going to be more, because again, they're, you know, they're grown in these hatcheries. Yeah. They're going to be more used to humans. And so they're going to be more like, oh, Nick can just watch us. He's not, I mean, I'm probably not even going to fish for a couple of years, because I want the fish to take,

you know, catch on here. Yeah, they can trust you. So like, three years from now, then I'll start hooking them. But I just, I just like to be able to watch you. Like this, just being able to watch them do. I just chill. Fish are very like chilled to watch. This is a man that's never grown up near a pond or a lake. I can tell, what did Chicago give it away? Like, what was, like your, oh, yeah, it's like being near lake and watching fish and just kind of watching fish be, this is very relaxing. I'm excited for you. I'm insanely excited. I feel like if I get anyone, if everyone ever got really mad at you, I feel like the way to get the way to get you back is to somehow kill your fish. Now, why would you put that in the e-flight? Like you just, you get at the pond and then like is. What kind of Jeffrey Dahmer's are you sickening on me? They were going to butcher my fish. I just seemed like an easy way to do it. I don't know. I don't even know the right tactics you're going by doing that. How do you poison a pond? You got to go all the way down to the pond. That's a lot of work. Is that right?

And that hill coming back up, that is not for the, for the uninitiated. You're going to get one of those nice sprinklers though that I always see at the golf courses I go to that might clean the pond, but then it makes them look really nice in the process. We've been doing research on the pump that helps clean it. Yeah, yeah, I love that. We've been doing research on that for quite some time. Now they're more efficient. I mean, do a pump or fish in there rather. It cleans it and then also makes it look cool. Also, have you thought about doing, and so I'm on these all these like TikTok videos where they show people that are doing dyes for their pond. And then you can make it like way, way blue. If you want, you can make it a fun different color. I don't know if that's great for the fish or not. No, you can really make this thing sparkle. No, and one, we're very, very lucky. Well, like the way our pond is kind of lit by the sun, it is just naturally really beautiful. Okay, that's good. You don't have to mess with it then. I also think the vanity of I want to have the bluest water. Like if you can tell a pond, that's what I would do with my pond. There's a couple, there's a couple treatments you can get that will turn the muck on the bottom of your pond

into basically help aerate your pond, which is good for fish. I would do that. But I'm not like artificially coloring it. So bear as you're like, oh, you have the bluest pond. We were the real cheese de-moose. We were in the flats last weekend. I was like, they need to do that for this, for what's going on at the Kaya Hoga River there. It looked very dirty. I'm like, if you put the dye in there, all of a sudden people are talking like, this is happening right now. It was gross looking as what it was. It'll get there, June, July, it'll get there, but let's get there in April. We seem insulted. You think they've been insulted that it had got on the color of the Kaya River. I want to throw a pretty looking river slash pond, whatever's in front of me, what's wrong with that? This is coming from a man who grew up in a town with a colored green every single day. I know why I think I have the idea of stuck in my head so much, because if you've seen the Chicago River during St. Patrick's Day, it looks green. It's fun. That's a fun time. I don't think it's fun. What's that fun about it?

It's a little chachy. It's festive. It's fun. And then green. And then they do the big duck race where they put like thousands upon thousands of ducks that you buy, you donate, and it goes to a nice fund, and then everyone's got their duck, and they do this duck race, and then like the leading ducks. No, no, no. Obviously fake rubber duckies, okay? And then they race, and then the winner obviously gets a cash prize, and then we can get a decent amount of money. Well, they just, they just, they dump them down there. Like a whole, whole, like 40,000 ducks, they dump them right into the river, and then it turns into a race, and the duck that crosses the line first, you win the big prize. No, do they pick all 40,000 up? I think they're supposed to. I don't think they intend to leave any in there. Sounds like the people of Chicago don't care about aquatic health. It goes to charity, Nick. I do. It's a good cause. If you want to do your own duck race on your pond, I will, I will, we can organize it. We can get this whole thing going. Nope. I'd like a nice clean pond. A lot of fees. I'm going to dye your pond green in the middle of the night. You know, you're going to wake up, but it'll be St. Paddy's day, and I'll be duck racing out there. You know, life is going to be real good

when I put a couple of painted turtles in there, because I am also a turtle fanatic as well. But obviously, day two of the draft is tonight, but gosh, now I'm going to forget. Josh Norris on underdog sports, love the Browns drafting, Kasey Conceptsion, and had what I thought was a pretty bold vision for Kasey. Kasey Conceptsion is just a freaking man. You could argue as the best releases in this class, the best routes in this class, his speed pops off whenever you watch him, his toughness, I think, is an underrated aspect of his game. He has 40 carries, like, and they're legit carries between the tackles. And he averaged seven yards of pop on those, or it's, you know, as a returner, fantastic. I'm happy he's going in round one. People just instantly go to, he can't catch. He has bad hands. He is aware of this. If you just focus on the drop rate, you miss everything else. You miss actually some spectacular catches. Again, you miss him lining up from every single alignment and winning at every single level of the field. I think Todd Monkin is a pretty cool play collar and a pretty cool play designer.

And this is the one that he's probably gonna build that passing attack around during his rookie year. And I can't wait for it. Right, it does. Some of that was really funny to me. Like him being like, he can't catch. He knows that. Oh, well, knowledge is the first step, I guess. It was more the idea that he gave, like, really awesome analysis sandwiched in between. He is the man. And then Todd Monkin, really good play collar. I guess it was so basic. It was so funny to me. But here's the thing. I can't find a person in the wide receiver community that we've so, you know, we've just been talking about all day about that doesn't like Casey Concepts Young. Like there's not one that does the wide receiver thing as their thing that doesn't like Casey Concepts Young. While acknowledging the drops, but it's everything else that he does that makes him aesthetically beautiful to watch. It is the route tree to lead up to the fact that he can't catch the ball. And then it is the yards after the catch that he just excels in. And there's whether it's zone, whether it's man, there's so many different areas that he just thrives in. It's just a matter of whether or not

he can actually catch the football. I do think as a rookie, if he can catch enough passes, meaning like if he can just limit the drops to some degree, I think his speed can be a game changer for the Browns offense, especially if I say a bond. Another very speedy wide receiver who's had a drop or two in his day. That's a lot of speed. And that's something that we've not seen a lot of in the Browns offense from the receiver game. So I can see an element where you're building around that speed and featuring that speed to keep defences on their toes. But if we go on these Z-flowers, comparison for Casey Concepcion, yeah, Z-flowers was good as a rookie. But you could tell Z-flowers was going to be someone eventually in the NFL. I get like 800 yards, which again, we'll take 800 yards next year from Casey Concepcion, but like the thing with Zay is, and again, Zay is a little smaller than Casey's, which I want to keep in mind. Zay is not, Zay is not the contestant.

Catch Kang that Casey Concepcion is. But what I will say is the idea that I don't know that, I don't know, I don't know, I don't even be able to build the offense around Casey. You can feature him. And you, I think you're gonna do a lot of fun stuff with him given how much munking is clearly behind this pig. But building the offense around him, that doesn't mean the same thing to me as maybe it means a Josh Norris. No, the idea for myself though is, you know, late in the last part of last season, it felt like Shador was just, he'd only thing he had to do was go to Harold Fanon. It was everything was to Harold Fanon. It was to say it was consistently there, because he's the only guy that he could trust. I'm pretty confident, Casey Concepcion, he's gonna be on the right parts of the field. And like that, that at least is a good spot. Now, the sad part about this, and it was kind of reminded of it when we talked to Ross. Ross was like, wait, I called those Browns games. How many Browns games do we leave thinking, what, wait, Jerry Judy had a million drops? Set Tillman had some drops, had a million drops. Isaiah. Isaiah, like we just kept leaving. We've been having drops. Harold Fanon. He's the only one. And that's why he became mystery viable,

because he was the only one. But it's been a theme. And going back to the end, Joku dropped situation of a couple years ago. It's just been a theme with this team. And so I think it's gonna aggravate fans in a big time way, because we're already aggravated at these pass catchers that can't catch the actual football, when that's the title of the job description. We're already angry at these guys, because we had a whole year of, you know, bent up frustration. And so I think it's just gonna get more and more agitating for people if he has a big third down drop. Yeah, and I think, I don't want to say there's a flaw in the logic here, because the Browns are still building the offense. But like, when I look at KC, a lot of his work was caught around the line of scrimmage are close to it. And that makes sense. Again, he's really good at yaks, right? Yeah, but not a lot of screens though, oddly enough. That way, we're part of his game. It's defense, he would never draft him. Yeah, the actual, like when you, when you saw the Rauchery and how it was dissected and everything like that, it was a very tiny amount of actual screens that they used him in. And so it's a little bit different than that regard.

But I do think that I still think there's a predictability with the Browns offense until they can get a wide receiver that can make catches, oh, sorry, not the can, because I think KC can, but the specializes in making catches down the field and getting open down the field. And I think, I think like, that's the way, if you want to take KC to the next route, that is the thing that I need now. That is why a traditional X receiver, if that's a Chris Bell, whatever they think that is, is kind of like the next thing. Because right now, I see a lot of guys who can get the ball within the, you know, first 10, 10 yards of the scrimmage and maybe they'll do some good stuff. Even Jerry Judy, like Jerry's, Jerry has gotten open before. He's not like a touchdown threat, you know what I mean? So like, I'm still not looking, I'm a big play threat with KC, yes. But like even Z flowers, I think the most touchdown Z has in a season receiving her five. So like, I'm still looking for that other piece here,

but if all KC is in his rookie year, is what Z flowers was in his rookie year, 800 yards, but healthy and showing that he can do this. I think that's an incredible success for this offense next year. Yeah, definitely. And I think it would be, for a lot of fans out there, that would be a hit. I'd be something that Andrew Berry could already be proud of. And again, the bar is just not incredibly high for these guys, because we just had such a lacklust or what receiver play last year. And with Fano, I don't need you to be Joe Thomas year one. I just need to see consistency out of that left tackle spot and then we'll look for growth over the first couple of years here. Yeah, for a guy that allowed one sack in the previous two years, I just don't have penalties and then don't seem like you're constantly giving up sacks. I think I'll be satisfied. Yeah, and no spot on this team needs this more. We just need a healthy year at the offensive line. Yeah, we just need five guys playing five positions.

More episodes

More from Afternoon Drive on The Fan

View all episodes →