Wednesdays with Wade: Zach McBee

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2:33And of course his dog Hunter stud dog. There's a ton of great dogs out of the dog and I'm just going to, this time Zach, I'm just going to turn it over to you and kind of let's you just start history of you and hunting and the dogs. And when did you start hunting Zach? Well, I started a real young age. My dad hunted. I think he started hunting I think in 1988 or 89. They bought a dog of Francis Cochran down south of Missouri called Newt. And then I got two older brothers. I got Jake and Josh. And they, you know, they came into the scene and started hunting too. I mean, I was probably five or six at the time when I really started hunting hard with those guys. But then my brother, Jayde competition on a PKC competition on a lot.

3:37He ended in the joy youth world hunts with a guy named Bill Wadell and then Chris Montgomery. There was a Mark hole hunted in our club. He had a dog that he got from. Steve and actually want to pro home with her. I think when she's eight or nine years old, she was off of a rank. Her name was jam and Judy. She won the Missouri State Hunt to also Jake did real good with her. But anyways, he was probably about to. Sophomore junior in high school and he's eight years older than me. So he packed me around a lot and built pack me around well then when he went to college. He had bought a young male dog at the youth world hunt, brought him home. In my middle brother, Josh started hunting him. So then I would probably been in that. No, six and seventh grade area right in there. And of course, my brother Josh was in high school. So I, I wanted to go with the high school boys hunt all the time. So we did.

4:37But to kick off the competition career, I was. I was nine years old when I won the Missouri State Youth Hunt. With a female called. Jody meathead Jody. She was my. She was my uncle Ethan's female. She was double lip or bread. Off of a female that my dad owned named slewfoot Lou. And anyways, they was, you know, they were going to have this youth world hunt or youth. Missouri State youth. And I was really wanting to go because at the time all the Kuhn line I had was a little kitten. They had like the black nylon box. I remember I'm not alive. Put them out. Yeah, you could hardly share a pen of tree with them. And so the big deal was. I was going to be a little bit more. I was going to be a little bit more. A little bit more. A little bit more. A little bit more. A little bit more. And so the big deal was Jerry Hawkins, the local local dog supplier up here, Bloomfield Isle was given away 12 box like that he made.

5:37That was kind of like the old bandit and blazer lights. Sure. All the Jerry lights. So when I found out they were going to give those away I was all in. I knew light, you know. So. It was supposed to be in Cuba, Missouri. And it actually got canceled. And they had the hunt at Memphis, right where we live. I started hunting pretty hard that summer. My uncle took me a lot and. And he would kick me out on one end of a section and say, well, pick you up at the other side. So he'd drive around and, you know, that was before we had garments and stuff. And I'd walk through, you know, my daughter's nine right now. And that's the age I was when this was all going on. And I wouldn't. I wouldn't even consider kicking around having her walk through a section, you know, by herself, but I did. But, you know, that was the difference between us going out of the house. That was the difference between us going out as boys, we hunted by ourselves all the time. Right. You know, and I, she loves to hunt stuff, but she, I don't like to go by herself. I mean, we, when I was in junior high, my grandma had a 1988 Chevy celebrity car, a little light blue car and.

6:38Heck, I look dogs up in that thing and roll up their own, go hunting. We was living out the time of that time. But I, but that's kind of what kicked the, that kicked the career off. I'm a competition career off of, you know, once that hunt, and I didn't have a huge score, but ended up winning the whole thing, got light boots, banners, you know, and from then on, it was just like, you're a huge addiction. I tell everybody all the time that coon hunting is worse than drugs. It is literally an addiction. You can't, there's no way I can quit coon hunting. It doesn't, I just can't. Now, I have slowed down with the kids doing things. This summer, we played a lot of travel baseball stuff, softball. And I made the choice to slow down and make sure I was going to go to all that stuff. Good choice, by the way. I just told my wife last night when we were coming home, we went to the lake and took the kids swimming. And we was coming home and I said, I'm going to start coon hunting again, pretty hard here.

7:42I've got some good dogs in the kennel right now that I haven't pushed the last year, like I should have. And I'm going to get them out and we're going to, we're going to rock on. But anyways, going back to getting started, you know, went to that hunt, one of that thing, went to a lot of UK sea hunts with my uncle. He could pack me all over. Got to that seventh grade era. And Christmas, I had a pup that he had at his house, he went through $150 for. And I pushed my yards for money. And my mom was highly against me getting a coon dog. She did not want me to have my own coon dog. She still hates coon dogs today. I mean, if you ask her about coon dogs, she's going to tell you, coon dogs are good for two things. Breaking up marriages and breaking up friendships. She says the same thing every time. Now, I do think she does, she might not tell you this, but she would probably think to herself that it did keep us boys out of trouble a lot.

8:44You know, women in high school. But anyways, Christmas, we got this male dog and I wanted, I wanted a dog of my own. You know, we had my uncles, dogs, we had my dad's dogs, my brother's that dog, but I wanted one of my own that I could train. So I went over and bought this pup off of him. And it was off of a chick's wild style, Troy Ferraris chick's wild style dog and a nailered female. And I named him Yachtsy, tree talking Yachtsy. Anyways, brought him home. And man, I ordered a coon sent off of Cabela's catalog. I had that that pup runnin' drags with coon sent. I mean, I spent, I would get inside this dog's dog house and lay with him. Like I was addicted to this dog. And I trained him by myself. You know, I would, I would hit your eyes from whoever would take me. Bruce Parsons took me a lot. Cory Stott, one of the ag teachers took me a lot. Chris Montgomery ended up, once I got him going, Chris Montgomery took me to all the haunts.

9:45I got in the final four, the Iowa State Pup Derby, the state hunt with him. I had like 14 second place wins with that dog in U.K.C. and could not finish him with the first place win tonight champion. But I won a lot of P.K.C. stuff with him. So I kept him and I, you know, I hunted with John Monroe all the time. And so I kept him and I was getting ready to be about 16. I was wanting a vehicle and just was short of being able to buy a vehicle money wise. John Monroe said, we were going to Indiana to walker days. And John Monroe said, you know, why don't we, we can sell that dog and you can get a pretty nice truck. And, you know, and I tell you what, this is what ruined me on selling dogs. I sold that dog and John sold him for me for $4,500. And I didn't sell a dome for a long time after that.

10:48It didn't matter. The money didn't matter to me. Having a vehicle didn't matter to me. I wanted that dog back, you know, and I still don't sell a lot of dogs. Very rarely do I do I sell them. I just, if I keep them, put the work into them and I like them. I just don't sell them. It doesn't, I mean, we got offered an astronomical amount of money for Bonnie when she was a two year old. I mean, like life changing money. And I didn't, I didn't sell her. And I would never, and I don't regret it. I don't regret selling, not selling her. And I, you know, I just, selling dogs to me, just doesn't happen a lot. Now, a lot of people, if I do put one for sale, they think it's junk. You know, they're all like, no, that's probably not that, that good of a dog. We sold the, the jewel female to Shane Groves and them. And then Maynard ended up getting her this week this year. I don't know what he's going on there. 40, 40 or 50,000 by no means was she junk. But, you know, I told a few people about that dog a couple of months before that, that we would sell her.

11:53And I guess they thought she was junk or something. But, you know, I really like that dog. And I, I regret selling her for an instance, but I'm glad, you know, Maynard's got her and he's promoter and stuff. Because she was setting in my kennel and I can hunt it like she, she needs to be, because we was hunting other things. And, you know, you know, you know, I hunt so many. But, to, to go back to where we started, so we got, you know, I got that dog and then, did a lot of hunting, coming up through high school and got to about that freshman sophomore year in high school, 15, 16 year old, sold that dog. I got another dog called High Point Drifter. Cornier is kind of buying him. They studied him, made, made us that dog. Want to, want to pile with that dog. Real good dog. Body, got him it from Louisiana, Missouri. Pat Keller actually had him in his, his running pin, his coupon for a little while.

12:56I get $500 for him. That was into the world, you know. I got away home, cutting loose on roadcruting trees of corn and then it was all, you know, it was history after that. But about that time, I was hunting that dog, a couple boys from the next town over, Talon Poe and Jogun, and then boys, they start hunting and Talon and I hooked up and start hunting a lot together. And Trackman was coming on the scene, right, about that time. So we were going down, Christmas gathering. I was going down and hunting with Kurt Aries, quite a bit with Trackman. I was a puppy at this time and Chris Montgomery had a female that I hunted and the hunts, I hunted her like P K C Walker days called Ratatack Sassy 2. She got second in the P K C Nationals of the same year that Tennessee Hard Rock wanted. She was directly out of Ratatack. Well, they bred her to, to Trackman. That would have been one of the earlier crosses on Trackman. Out of that cross came some really nice females. I had one named Scrapper.

14:01That ended up, she's burger ended up hunting for John Horner, I sold it to John Horner. And then we had a female called Allison Chains. So anyways, 100 herms from UK C Hunts and she was, she was really a dominant hound and, and Talon, Talon, 100 are all through winter time. We shall lot of coons and do a lot of things with her. Well, anyways, John Horner comes into the scene and I meet him at a UK C Hunts and he was wanting to know where a good Trackman dog was. So ended up selling Allison Chains to John Horner, Talon dead and Ronnie Smith ended up getting her and handling for John and want to pile stuff with her. Well, then about a year from then we had a hardwood gun female, Chris Montgomery had a hardwood gun female called bone that I hunted a lot in the youth hunts. Really, really good female. He bred her to Trackman and then that's where hardwood Cornell came from and Talon and I, I didn't know that.

15:02Cornell a lot. John Horner bought, bought half of Cornell. So he stayed partners with Talon and, and then Ronnie Smith handled him and they won a pup of the year. That year, Mr. Mo, Pat Keller, Mr. Mo Dog, I think got second. In both dogs, you know, did a pretty good job reproducing. So that was, that was the high school thing and I, I kept Drifter the whole time through all these dogs and he was out of skipper. He was off a skipper and Ryan Houghton's page female and Paige was offered Rad Attack and she was one of the finder hounds that I've ever hunted with. She was a great dog and I hunted her and the hunts a little bit for Ryan. He let me hunter. But so we, I rolled in to go to college and had some pretty big offers on Drifter and just, just didn't sell him and my mom's like, I'm not taking care of that dog when you go to college. So Ryan Houghton kept him and I went to my first week of college and I'm down at college and Jeremy McAillus calls me and I'm talking to Jeremy and he's like, you know, I know a guy right down there by Warren's burger Missouri that probably take you hunting to keep your dog living and calling.

16:17So he called him and his name was Robert Williams and Robert agreed to it to take, to take me hunting. So I got Drifter down there with my hunting and dog looked good. We got done and, you know, I kind of asked Robert later on. I was like, what, you know, why do you why do you want to go hunting with me before you degree to keep my dog and he told me it's because I'm not keeping junk at my house. And Robert taught me a ton about a dog and taught me a ton about training dogs and I mean, for instance, we Drifter went in ran a track kind of a semi cold track, I'd say and gets treated not treat right, but he's treat. We get in there and he's on a bluff and he's on a dent tree and I pulled my squall and I squalled and Robert come up behind me and slot me in the back of the head and back at the helmet. And he said, don't ever squall on a tree that you know there's not a corner. He said, you know the dog, if you listen to the dog, you know the dog doesn't have a cane. Don't squall it. You're teaching bad habits. You know, you don't think about that thing and taking care of a lot of that because you can obviously look in the tree and see if it's got a cone back in the day. You know, you might tree on a monster, monster,

17:23you know, I don't have a tree or something in the summertime and here you are blown squall out known dog to now, but it's it's like you have to you have to do it. Just you have to do it to make sure there's not a cone there, but you know he's like, if you if you think that dogs guests and you know, don't don't be doing stupid stuff like that. And he had Robert really, really good dogs. So I hunted I hunted through college there with Robert and ended up courteous, bought drifter and started studying. So then I hunted a, I hunted a little a male dog, a little male dog for chip Smith, off of Iron Man, that was a real nice dog called whitey. Then along came a dog called bar none. So bar none was off a Cornell and a crap off of a female off a Charlie Creek dare start hunting him in the hunts and you know the bear Creek was kicking off you know the bear Creek hunt up here at Laplata.

18:24They kicked off, you know, right when I was finishing high school. So it was a big thing when I was in college, our spring break always landed on Bear Creek. So instead of going on spring break parties or whatever, I went to go to the heart, what's the bear Creek and and hunt it a lot of different dogs in that hunt. John Horn recall and he said, Hey, I bought this bar none dog back off off of Dennis Thornhill and at the time P case he was doing a thing if you won a thousand dollars of open event money, you were, you were qualified for a pup for sure to your some kind of maturity hunt. So Dennis and honey really hard to win that and he did so John gets this dog I go to the bear Creek and I start hunting the dog and I really liked the dog. So long story short bear Creek's over with I call John I said, Hey, I'm going to bring this dog back and John says no, just keeping and I said, well keeping said yeah, we'll just be partners like so I took the dog back to college with me and I started hunting that was when I was about a junior and in college had about a year left or so and long story short,

19:31John ended up being partners with me and then John ended up passing away in accident and so I kept the dog and the dog somebody stole the dog from my house I got out of college, got a job bought a house actually just got married and you know Henry blessing and I was hunting a lot together and you know it's packing him up down the road to the hunts and the dog was rough I mean he was a hundred percent longer just didn't really care about dogs, but you weren't backing him I mean he was just he was rough and I think some guys around home were kind of better about it a little bit you know about it being rough and one to UK see hunt Friday night came on and put him in the kennel one out checked on him the next morning we're going to go to the coyote panda run coyotes and my brother and I took off and I come home next morning dog was gone somebody stole which sucks but that's what happened. But that's kind of what led me into getting some of the dogs I have now the bar dog the bar dog is the reason Doug Douglas and I met.

20:40So Doug Doug and I drew out the bear creek a couple times and patches which is Hunter's mom was a young dog and I mean Doug and I kind of hit it off you know Doug doesn't talk a lot if you know you know that if you know Doug we kind of hit it off a little bit and then the next year I that was the first year the next year I draw him again and I'm hunting bar and we have a shoot out I scored seven seven seventy five or eight hundred with bar there to get in the final four and that finished him to go champion which was a big feat you know I was super excited about that. So I went into this cast and there's just a you know five or six seven minutes left just a few minutes at the end of the cast and a boy from Iowa's hunting with us and other guy with your also me and Doug and the boy from Iowa we cut loose. And Doug's trying to for truck ticket and stuff at this time which was a big hit for Steve's thing then with patches and. Bar goes in there and strikes and gets treated immediately just bam hundred yards from us.

21:44I'm not really want to train you know I got this cast but I'm not really want to train but I ended up having a dream. The dogs all go in and pile in there. If you remember what I just told you before he's he's pretty rough so they get to fight in there and I mean I'm not talking blown I'm talking fighting knock down fighting and we got in there and patches was off the tree sat in on her butt tree and there's this other male dog and them two dogs they were biting each other back and forth which the main fight it quit but Doug could scratch us and Doug could scratch us and he was the winner of the cast you know I'm not really happy with that. He was setting a second place he could he could win a cast but Doug he said as good as that dog looked and as many coons as he treated night I don't feel like I should scratch him so he didn't scratch me. Winning up Doug and I started being really good friends we talked on phone quite a bit and when bar got still when I got a female called direct drive. So that the hunt I'm talking about that I met Doug and he's just scratching me on Friday night the bear creek well Saturday night I finished him to go I didn't want to hire Saturday night so I just went and guided well.

22:58I drew for a guide I drew Bobby bags and overdrive and overdrive put the most dominant performance on that I've ever seen a dog put on a competition that we treat 13 singles in two hours. In the dog absolutely dominated it was like you would turn him loose he'd be three hundred fifty yards struck and treat you turn him loose be another four hundred struck and treat it was just absolutely crazy it wasn't like he was treating pop up corn corn cornfield I mean this dog was shooting in there striking track run and tree and he had a huge mouth and a beautiful look and I thought I got to have a dog. So I started looking looking for a dog out of overdrive and I find one and I called my I told my wife and the funny thing was I was looking for a dog out of overdrive but when I got I had a young dog that wasn't going to cut the mustard and I got rid of her and I told my wife I said I'm going to get on the internet and I'm going to buy the cheap I'm going to get on pro house website and I'm going to buy the cheapest pop I find on the internet.

23:58I literally pulled up and there's a guy and I are in a half way from home it's got an overdrive but I'm like perfect any I think you want a thousand bucks for it wasn't it wasn't paid up or anything so I called him and he said I'll take six hundred dollars for and she was nine or ten months old or something like this time he said I'll take six hundred dollars for if you meet me tonight and kick I want I'm like that's easy 45 minutes yeah so I roll over there I got her I bring her home I start hunter. She turns out to be extremely good there was a couple things about her she get treat she was deadly accurate she always had a cune on the outside but when you get to her she shut up she would never bark and I worked on it worked on it worked on even if what would really be bad is like say you're in the summer time and she's in the edge of the woods 35 yards and you're on an edge of cornfield and you walk into this tree she shut up and you couldn't see her because the full of her. So the two would catch you so I mean I picked my brain I've done everything trying to get this dog a tree now you could walk in and tie her up and walk away from her she's start triim but could not figure out what was wrong there one night at Thunder in the dog ran and got in the road to tube and I figured out the dog

25:13the reason the dog was shutting up when I was getting to the trees because she was gun shy but she loved to fight a cune so much and she loved to chew on him she will never leave a tree but you're resting. So you get to the trees and if you watch her she'd tuck her tail if she's seen you have a gun and I'm I literally that's the reason why she was shutting up I made her silent on a tree. But she was the best kill dog I ever had like bar none best killed dog I saw her getting a log one night like a hollowed out log with a with a big Borkin and I mean she killed it bring it out I saw our catch one literally this is going to sound far fetched but she literally went underneath the water and in a beaver hole. With a cune and she we were Henry blessing us stand up on a bank and she was directly underneath the center beaver dead fighting a cune and this dog kills this cune and she pops out of the water like a lab with a duck in its mouth. It is crazy. It's not even seen in life but that dog loved to fight a cune so much she wouldn't leave them trees but she was scared of that gun she'd shut up.

26:15So if I was in a hung lot of times she was split tree and they let me go handler I wouldn't go handler I just leave her because she she'd stay tree that way. If I go handler nobody could ever find me because I couldn't get her to bark and then as she got older I figured out you know if you tire up 30 40 feet away from the tree and you just walk away from her shut your light she she start tree and then. But so I get the dry female and I'm I'm competition but I'm not competition on a lot like I like to competition on but it wasn't one of those things like I was going to go every weekend I was going to go to big hunt I was made sure I was going to go to super sticks all that. That that that to me I just at that point my life I wasn't doing a lot of that so Doug Doug started hunting for me and I mean we got I would hunter you know like it's bear Creek I'd hunter that week and maybe a few open hunts and then he'd take her and finish the month out we get a truck ticket or or whatever and then she ended up winning well back up a little bit so I got her money one for the super steak she's a dual grand.

27:17I'm one year old super steaks coming on I'm like I'm going to take this dog with super steak she's really really dominant. Brandy calls with PKC about three weeks for the super steaks and hey she says hey Zach there's a problem with the DNA on this dogs anyway can send us a new DNA slip in so I did overnight it she calls me back and she said we've got a really big problem with this dog. She's not out of the female that she's supposed to be and she's not out of the male she's supposed to be. Oh wow I have this dog that I've got $1,500 one that's a dual grand in UKC and I don't even know what she's out of and I don't even know how old the dog is now. So I've got these set of papers that say she's whatever year old spring dog. I have no idea how she is I knew she grew when I got her so any ways I called the boy back that I bought her from he's like I bought her from this guy and. He had a whole bunch of pups there that's the way it was supposed to be and so Brandy said calling back and see if he had any other dogs that that kennel so I did.

28:22And the guy that had the litter really want to talk to us a whole lot about it I'm very thought he's going to be in trouble which it was just a mistake it wasn't like he was trying to do anything wrong. What it happened they had about two or three females there and they was trying to breed. To overdrive and they had a dog called hard knock and stylish Gus over there Bobby begs and there's a gold champion dog got a hard knock and stylish a. Well he was old you know and they didn't think he could breed or whatever but he got in a bread when these females so. They they got a split litter going on but the other thing is they had all these pups together and they you know got mixed up so now we've got a male dog that bred this female that you don't. Don't wasn't supposed to that you didn't even know bread plus you got pups that was supposed to be with another mom it wasn't. So we get I didn't get to hunt super sex got the papers figured out. Rolled around. I don't even know what happened on two year olds now I do know what happened it took that long to get the paper so I didn't I didn't get to 100 to two year olds three year olds roll around dogs hunter forming got a baby coming.

29:28Uh kind of cool story dog wins the super stakes with her the same day my daughter was born. 10 1 to 16 so that was a that was a highlight of the that was probably the one of the biggest highlights of my career set in there in the hospital holding the newborn baby watching the play by play on PKC and dog one super 6 what year was that 2016 16. Yeah. The red bone that Dr. O'Londay has was in the finals that David Blake was in the finals of that with major pain and yeah the three dog final guess. The round before that dog drew I think Captain America I think it was cap with Michael Ward. There's one of the dogs one of those as one of those dogs that Ward had right then. So yeah that that kind of took off and dog and ice friendship was really really super good and in the meantime when all that was going on.

30:32Uh Doug made a cross on patches to Z3 and she didn't stick the first time so he took her back down there and he bred and I kind of told you a story yesterday. So he needed to get a progesterone he wanted to make sure you got a progesterone check so he took the progesterone to a hospital like a human hospital. And they said we need to go down and get a bread today like ASAP if you're going to do it. So he did. Um he gets down there he went to COIS O'Londons they breed they breed patches to Z3 I believe it was the lot hunters the last living live litter out of Z3. Um that's not seeming so anyways. In the kennel next to Z3 was Bill thousand hour bill and at that time thousand hour bill had one what he ended up winning you know and Koi told Doug we are just going breeder to build to just make sure we have pups and dogs and dogs and I think we'll just do this. So anyways patches has pups and patches which of course a national champion was the youngest dog to everyone the nationals you know so they was highly highly thought after pups you know so.

31:40Anyways Doug's uh Doug's gonna keep a couple of these pups so he keeps he keeps a mild dog which ended up being hunter and he keeps female and he brings a female to me. He brings a female to me that fall and they're you know small and I'm asked with him and messed with the female and I got her kind of running and going a little bit and Doug would rather hunt a female he didn't really want to hunt a male but he had taken 101 time there when he's about six months old and you're in and treated him very first night out he actually split from patches and drive and had a coon. So long story short the Laplay to pro hunt rolls around that's July taught super super hot Doug brings hunter up to me and I'm going to switch him the female so. Grins is dog up and he gets this thing out I just kind of tell you this yesterday gets this dog out of the dog box and I look at this dog and I'm like that is the ugliest dog I've ever seen in my life i'm saying it's thinking of my head i'm gonna I don't want to hurt Doug's feelings but that dog is terrible ugly.

32:43This dog had been on a self-feeder and hunter was so fat that his head looked like a teeny little bitty head with full short years. I mean he looked he just was out of proportion you know he's just so fat I mean he took good care of him obviously but. I'm like oh man and and at that time I'd never had a dog really colored up like hunter now bar had a sleeve on him but I hadn't had one that was like super super colored up like hunter and of course you know when he's huge and fat he even looks more color because it's just he's just a big blob so he get he gets this dog out we be us around I actually had caught a cage coon. So we took and and turn this cage coon and hunter did a good job on it and Joe old man John Hagen's a good friend of ours was with us and I ended up sending those pumps to his house he lives down long lane out of the middle of nowhere and I'll let them pop some loose and we called we called the female to and we called her patches to which called her just called her to and then and hunter so I got him going.

33:52John got him going over there to his house and hunter was getting treated so I ended up when I went back to get 103 weeks after that his pads were blowed he was down to about 50 pounds probably 55 pounds and looked like a totally different dog like muscleed up and he looked good you know so I pick him up and I I take him and I start hunting these dogs I find some road coons I'm cutting dogs on these road coons and the two female was super super loud big athletic roll on a track but absolutely. It would blow a cornfield race up she get in there and just get to go in so fast over on tracks and blowing races up and and hunter he can't he can't run a hot coon to save his life I mean it was I turned him loose on a road coon and he couldn't run it out of the road ditch just absolutely struggle and she'd take off blow and go and then she'd switch over run a deer and then for a long had them both running junk and. Uh, finally started getting them tree a few coons or the two female to tree few coons and and hunter was making about one tree a night and so Doug come up and got to enter back down there and start hunter and I kept hunter.

35:02And I walked a lot of miles that summer and I made a lot of phone calls to Doug telling me I didn't think the dog was going to make it. Um, and there was a couple times I wanted to get rid of him. I, uh, I wore out a Louisville slugger plastic baseball bat in a cornfield with him. He get out there in them cornfields and run and run and run and I mean a few home with him he'd make one tree a night. I mean it was like I knew when I was going hunting the dog was going to make one tree night and he was going to have a coon. So that was last that all summer and then as the crop started getting out he started tree a little more. Start tree and two coons a night or whatever. So opening a new season the coon club was doing a we was going to do it all night hunt. We're going to go out and kind of split up. We was going to hunt with one group of guys early and then we're going to come back in and eat and then we was going to go back and help with another group. You know later. So one out early dog looked really good. Go out late. I mean this like two 30 in the morning.

36:03They're all getting up tree and 15 singles at night. I mean that's the night that I would call every I think every pup that I've ever had. They all have a what I like to call a breakout night like where they go out and they. Sure. Multiple coons they don't know what's it at this point back. Let's see June. 14 months 15 months right in there just just over a year old. He's probably yeah he's probably 14 months old I'm guessing. Yeah he'd been 14 months old. So he trees all these coons and I'm terrible about I'm always the guy says let's go for one more. So we went through and we cut and he goes down this ditch which would be to the east of us along along the river the North Fag of River and strikes a track and out into this open field he comes and I mean he he sounds like he's running junk. He's he's wide open. Sounds like a freight train and off out of the road ditch he pops with us and there's a coon right in front of him. I mean this dog is literally right on this coons tail going to catch it.

37:05This coon gets across this corner of this bean field and climbs this tree and hunter climbs a tree with it. And it's a lean in tree and it's a dead-elm tree that's leans like this and it goes into a tree that's forked like this. And this coon goes up this tree and jumps out. And it this this tree that's leaned like this the rivers underneath so it's like 55 60 feet to the bottom of the river and hunters. Up here in this fork hanging by his back hips with his head facing down. He literally ran up there and when he went to jump with that coon he got caught in the fork of this tree by his hips and he's hanging by his hips when I walk in there and he's like 60 feet in the air. And this is his breakout night and of course we don't know he's going to turn out like he did and all the stuff that's happened at this point but I'm like what am I going to do. So I try to go up this lean in tree will stand enough if it won't hold me it's going to break. So I make a phone call to my cousin that's a power line guy trees tree he trims trees and he works with power company and he brings the spikes out and he climbs the tree that's straight up down the maple that's.

38:08And he climbs it and he gets under any rope steam and he lowers him down and he gets about 10 12 feet off the ground and the rope breaks the knot comes undone and he falls and he hits the sand bar but we saved him. Anyway, I've got pictures of it on my phone. One more turn out. Yeah, I'll be in hand. Upside down this tree. You know, I mean, what's the odds of a dog jumping and getting caught in a fork and saving his life? You know, the dog falls as dead. And he never is cloned with trees all life and never has to this day. He doesn't ever climb. But he sure did that one. There's just a perfect storm. You know, the dog could have been dead on his breakout night and what it never got him. But you know, I like cross hunters. Cross. There was a couple of male dogs is really good. The one male dog was maybe better than Hunter. He got ran over. Bruce Rayburn out there that you know, has had had them,

39:08them other white dog dogs that's done a lot of winning. He had one out of cross and it got killed and died. A good female got killed and died. So the only the only living dog that crosses to and Hunter and we actually an older gentleman that hunts pleasure hunts has to. And we actually got her back from him and raised the litter off of Josie Wells. And we had a pretty decent cross. They were huge. They had huge mouths and they were super gaming and and so, you know, we did that. But I, you know, when when all this went down, the dog was hanging up in the tree. My no means that I knew that the dog would have a lot of potential and knew how good he was. Just, I mean, I talk about going and kicking him out of cornfields and stuff. The dog was, the dog didn't wall our tracks in the cornfield. The problem was the dog ran things like he was going to catch him. How in the cornfields and you couldn't keep up with him.

40:09He might, if you get a 200 acre cornfield, he might make five or six laps in this cornfield and be into the next one. And then in the next section and then in the next section, he just never knew where he was going to go. I mean, he was not a field run. He was not an edge runner by any means, but he would get deep in a hurry. And it was a chore hunting him. And at that time, I didn't ever have an episode tight weight. I didn't buy an alpha 100 or any of those garments with the mats on. I just, I had an old 220 or, I think that's what it was, an old gray 220. Right. No maps. So I just, which is probably the best thing in the world, really, you know, when you don't have maps and you don't know if your dogs are in the trees, and you don't know exactly where they're at, you know, you're going to listen for them dogs and how they run tracks and trees. Oh, yeah. And a lot better. So anyways, rescuing my other tree, it's a night, four Thanksgiving, stayed up all night. My wife was really proud of me when I wanted to sleep all day. And I could say when we started the Thanksgiving family, we roll over to Brookfield, Missouri, like in an hour and a half

41:16away that evening. My brother and I did it to hunt with some guys. We took Hunter and Drive dogs look good. And then it was like a complete addiction from that point on. I hunted that dog. I'm telling you every single night, I hunted him and hunted him and hunting him and hunting. Rules around it's about January, February that year and it's really super cold. And dogs like you're going to need to get the money, one for that dog for the super stakes. So I went up to Troy, Iowa and I'm not joking when I tell you this, it was 10 below zero. And that was his first hunt and he treed two cunes on the outside and won that cast. And from then on, I won like 30, 38 cast in a row with him. And I mean, Josh McAillus has said it on his podcast before I overhunted the dog. I put him in every 30 dog hunt. That was the first year they come out with double header 30s. I'm probably seeing if there's a double header 30, I was there. And I was hunting both rounds. It didn't matter. You know, they had the pup hunt, you know, I was running in the pup

42:18for the national pup of the year with him. And he was a one year old. I doubled up with snow. Yes, I doubled up to super stakes as a one year old. I won every year early around that week and finally doubly my George Majors loves this stories. He beat me both years to get into the finals of the super stakes with probate. probate hadn't won a cast all week and comes in Thursday night doubles up and then beats me. You know, in the same way. Late Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beat me in it. There was two minutes. We let off of a tree with two minutes left in this cast and I'm I'm winning this cast by hunting. So when we walk the minute there's one minute left and we've been in this spot for two hours. Had not moved spots or anything. We've been in this spot for two hours. We cut them dogs loose, probates, bark and bark and bark and he trees are like, oh, what ever. This dog goes 50 yards and trees. We've been in this place for two hours. We walk in there and this probate's got a coon up a tree that's an ancient half around.

43:22And my stupid dog is so independent. He's runs this track in there with her and will not tree with her and rolls on and probates sitting here literally looking at a coon and a tree that's not four or five feet tall. She could have grabbed the coon, pulled it out, whatever did, whatever she wanted to do with it. Instead, she stays there and trees and beats me. And George loves this story. That's good. The next year, I got the cast going on blow and the cast out. George is on cast. Hunter strikes the track up and the slew brings it back to the stallard boy with his coat. He's on the cast of this wheels back in there and gets treeed and we walk in there and he's on a dentary and you can see the wet coon tracks going up this tree. George, I got my dog tied up to the base of this tree. George squalls his coon and squalls his coon clared down in front of his face. Guess what happens? My funner goes back to tree twice. I get scratched. So that was my George majors and super stakes of probate. She was a jinx to me. So anyways, cool. That was the super stakes career.

44:23Doug, I don't even know a lot. I had pretty good luck with him but it just seems like we couldn't ever win a Badger event with a dog. You know, we would get there. The dog just, he'd do everything he'd want him to do and just couldn't win a major event with him. The dog liked me better than he did, Doug. He'd always try Doug. It didn't matter. He would try Doug at every heart. He might go out and just dominate and go back to tree twice. Just messing with Doug. Never did it to me. Never did that stuff to me and he would always continually do stuff to Doug. And Doug just hunted him and hunt this. Well, I think it was the barricade or one of the hunts here this spring. That was a world qualifier. The dog actually like complete fool. Doug put it back in the box. My brother's one of them. He called me and said, never let the dog get any hates me. Don't ever ask me. Don't even begin. He was kind of a, you know, he's just kind of a one man dog when I come to, when I come to us and me and him. But he, I know you've bred him a lot.

45:27So when did you, when did you first start breeding him? So the very first female I bred him too was Chris Montgomery's female. Maya. She was an insane X breed, bred top and bottom. So out of that cross, I had a really, really, really good male dog. I started him and gave him to a bloody mine and should never got rid of that dog. Doug, we had an absolute cannon of a mouth, had the looks of a stud dog. Out of that cross, there was three pretty nice dogs that come out of that cross to him. God killed him and treated. He's still alive. I think Bob will probably bring him to our hunter hunt. We're going to have Bob. Clause has him hasn't really competition on any of them. No, I've been a real good adult. So then, so I was always worried about, you know, I was worried about breed him and screening him up because I was so focused on wanting to go to the uns. Right. And finally, I just like, well, whatever, I'm going to do it. Well, Jess Dickerson called, wanted to breed.

46:28I come over and hunted with me and ended up breeding two females. I kind of told you a little bit of story though the day. We've stayed outside, Rusty Jones. Jess was there and Jess was talking about, you know, Nailer and being a stud dog guy like he's done. And Jess says, you know, Zach, you'll never know what that dog reproduces until he's dead. Till he's long gone, you won't know if he reproduces. And if you could do anything, you should have probably started bringing the dog earlier earlier than what he was, you know, I mean, this point is five or so. I didn't want a stud dog weight. I didn't want a couple of people offered to make me stud ads and things like that, which was nice and generous of them. But I didn't really want people calling me. I didn't really want, right, they stood up. Periodic. Passive. Yeah. And my phone rings like, it rings a lot. And it takes away from your family time a lot.

47:29And my wife has been saying about it. She really has. Now I enjoy talking to dog just as much as anybody. But it comes to a point where, and I never, I never try to be rude to anybody. I always try to to make sure that everybody matters to me because people do matter to me. I mean, it doesn't matter if you're Joe Blue walking down the street. I'm going to talk to you. Right. But sometimes, you know, when you've got a lot of pressure going on at home, you know, say you got kids doing homework and you're in there helping, helping with homework, trying to help with supper and stuff and guys are messaging you on Facebook. And I absolutely try to give back to everybody because I don't like to, I don't know if somebody would think I'm like no more number or whatever. So, you know, a lot of times I'll answer the phone when I shouldn't. And you know, and then that causes problems. Next thing you know, you got a kid doing homework and you're trying to help him. We just start talking to dogs. The next thing you know, he's up off the seat, off of his chair and doing his homework. And it gets, because it gets to be complete chaos. But I've enjoyed every minute of it.

48:32I've enjoyed talking. And I've met so many good people and, uh, there you go. There's the, yeah. We, uh, we go to church and we, and we try to do a lot of the things with our kids. That's faith-based and, uh, if it wasn't for Hunter, I wouldn't have met a lot of the people I've met. Uh, you know, you got Henry Blossin, Kirk Swanson, um, Shannon Biggs, this came into my life for the Cody Pritchard there. I mean, these guys have all got, they got faith-based stories and it's, and it's really, uh, I'm still in jest the other day. We listened to a sermon from Josh Arton out of Texas. And he was talking about surrounding your people, surrounding yourself by people that are like money and individuals that'll keep you on track. And, and he said some, uh, out of the top of your head, you ought to be able to pick four people that would pull you out of the darkest place in your life and would, and it would do it the right way. Well, a lot of these people that's walked in to my garage to breed to Hunter have a lot of the

49:35same interests as I have, have a lot of the same qualities that they want their life to be. And it's, it's kept me on the straight and narrow and I really think it's probably made me a better person and a better dad in that instance. I mean, that sounds crazy. But literally when you evolve yourself with, with those type of people, it just makes you a better person. And I feel like for breeding those dogs and having that dog studding them dogs out, those people who never came into my garage. I can tell you some, some, some crazy stories and stuff. You know, you, you'll be thinking about things and, and next thing you know, a guy calls you and wants to breed and then he, he comes to your house and all of a sudden, it just out of the blue, the conversations come up and you're like, I just thought about that. You know, uh, I mean, then Cody Pritchard said on his, his podcast, you know, he, he said that he was, you know, praying for this dog and all this and I call him out of the blue and that's how he ended up getting trapped. You know, I mean, I mean, that, that type of thing happens, but

50:40bottom line Hunter has gave me a ton of friendships and has let me meet a lot of really good people. And I met a lot of really good kids through it. That I love watching and enjoying the dogs. Uh, you know, and it's, it's enabled me, it's, it's enabled me to be able to, to have something in common with a lot of, a lot of people, a lot of folks. You know, you walk into a place and they don't ever think about, well, you've won this or won that, they always, you own Hunter, you know, it's not. Right. Exactly. What you've done in your career is so you own that dog. And by no means, like I said, again, I absolutely did not want to step down, but I was convinced that I got him and it worked out. So, you know, I mean, bread, jess's two females, Alacross was the trump dog. And also the Colby dog that's in Texas.

51:44I wrote some of the dogs down on the list, hear some pups. I was just kind of going through and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. If I miss somebody's dog or something like that, but so we had Trump and, you know, we had Trump and Colby and then I bred another female and out popped a punk female. That was out of Brian Caster's dog. There was another good male dog off that cross two. That was an Arkansas. And then I bred a female, I bred some other females, but another good cross that we had was off a Shannon Bigs, this K-Altz female. And I had that cross came like Jane, fraud, kid, the dusty dog. Trying to think out the top of my head, which all was. I know there's a lot of nice dogs out of the hunter. A lot. Yeah, there's some really, you know, and and Hunter gave me the dog that won the most money

52:45of everyone with the dog, which was Bonnie, you know, and Bonnie connected Elven to work, you know, always did a lot with Elven Hunter with him since I was a kid, and only my whole life. But, you know, he, Bonnie gave us a really, really tight relationship. I think a lot of miles up and down the roads with Elven going to these hunts and, you know, Bonnie connected me to a lot of people too, you know, and the buck dog had him, super, super good dog has done a lot of winning. He connected me to a lot of people. Jewel and Bonnie both connected me to Bobby Merchant, Justin Caldwell and, and and Bobby's another one of those guys that walked into my life that'll keep you on the straight and narrow. Super good guys. There's just, but there's been a lot of a lot of really good dogs. There's a there's an older guy up and I, one of that calls me all the time. Love talking to him.

53:46A lot of times when you're working, I can't answer the phone. He'll leave me a voicemail on his apps. I'm just listening to his voice. Sometimes I don't answer the phone on purpose. Just so I can have him leave me a voicemail. He's 86 or 87 years old and he hunts. Still hunts up with me. I have a dog off a hunter. My brother and I've joked around about buying his dog. We really, really will. He would like to try his dog. But the problem is his dog might be the only thing that he's finding joy in life and keeping him alive. I told him that the other day I said it. We would buy your meal in your kundalgu and we were afraid he might die on us. And he kind of laughed. He said those are the only two things in my life that's not for sale. So, you know, you love stories, you know, like that. You know, guys call and that dog that your dog is that's produced is what keeps him going. But you know, when I like to get on and look at, I like to look at dogs to test six.

54:47And lifetime earnings and stuff like that. Right. Yes, takes a new. You you you look you like man, my dogs. He's reproduced dogs is $130,000. And the next thing you know, you look in this like holy cow there's $100,000 lifetime earnings. And then you like then there's 300,000. Then you're kind of thinking wouldn't be cool to have a half million and then it happens. You know, and that's all surreal, you know. And and I understand if if it isn't if the guys aren't coming and breeding their females, the good females to your dog and trusting you in that way. But it's also the guys you go out there and put a ton of time, hunting them, training them and you know, putting their hard earned money and taking them up and down the road. Right. Course, Bonnie's one probably more than any of the other dogs out of them crosses. And there's been some dogs. It's one a lot. But man, I made a list and I can think of 55 dogs off the top of my head that the dogs reproduced that I know that are good kundals.

55:50And I'm sure there's more out there. Wow. I don't know about. And that's kind of why we're going to do this we're going to do this pup hunt in December. When we can talk about it a little bit. Yeah, let's talk about that. I wanted to bring that up. Yeah, that is the main reason I really I want everybody to know that I appreciate what they've done. And Doug does too because Doug goes half a hunter. I mean, if it wasn't for Doug, we wouldn't have never had him. But I want to see what's out there. I want people to come. I want to bring their dogs because I don't know all of them. If people don't get on Facebook and tell me about it or text me, I don't know what their dogs are. I mean, I hear about a, you know, a hunter pup here. A guy told me yesterday he had the best hunter puppies ever had in his life. Didn't even know that. Right. You know, it's one of those things. I want to see what's out there. I mean, we're going to have a good time. What is it? It's not. It's December 11th and 12th. It's the week after the Bear Creek shootout this 60. A lot of guys are going to say it's too cold formed out that time of year. It might be.

56:51It might not be. But I will tell you one thing. There's not going to be leaves on the ground or on the trees. And there should be coons on the ground no matter what. We're having a, we're having it in between Downing Missouri and Memphis Missouri. We have a clubhouse. Henry Blessing had a shed out there. Our brother and I and Henry, we redone it. It's a. We're going to use it for the cuneons. We're going to have it out there. I'll post the. I don't have an address to it. It probably doesn't even have an address when I'm put the county road. It's about six miles west of Memphis on the south side of the 136 highway. Okay. I can promise you you will be in the best hunting in the country. And it is going to be the right time of year to treat a lot of kids. Now, my have a snowstorm. I don't know if we have a snowstorm. I guess we'll hunt in the snow. And that's that's that's fine too. I think we'll treat a lot of kids usually. I know the Bear Creek hunt last year. I had to get canceled the first week of December last year because of the snow. But by the second week, the snow is gone. We were back to hunting.

57:51I think it'll be it'll be a really good time to hunt. I wanted to do it then because we have a lot of these really great spots to hunt up here. But we got to we got to be courteous of the deer owners and the landowners. A lot of the guys we hunt on have outfitting businesses. Sure. Or they have least deer owners and they let us hunt all year round. They just ask us stay out there during the rifle season in Pekra. You know, so we do. But I really I think everybody has a good time. The biggest thing is I want everybody to come. I want everybody to have good fellowship. I don't we you know, I don't want anybody to get so competitive that we have arguments and things like that by any means. I'm going to buy a 22. I don't know if I'm going to buy a 22-rooger. I would like to buy a 22-rooger bolt action and have it engraved. I'm going to we're going to give a 22 way that's engraved. You know, it's going to say something like the wipe out hunter hunt, pup hunt, or whatever the year. And we'll get it engraved for the hunt. We're going to cook both nights. I'm going to put a deal out on the internet.

58:52Josh called, McAleus called and said that he'd give a gold watch away. So we were kind of talking about it. I said, hey, let's use EHS rules in. You know, if you guys are going to you and Josh are going to give a gold watch away to the winner. Right. We're going to do that. And I know you said you're going to donate some joy dog food. Yeah. So sure will. We're going to do that. I think we haven't necessarily set the rules 100% up what we're going to do. But I think what we'll do is we're going to hunt Friday and Saturday night. And we'll do so. Like if you win your cast Friday night and you win your cast Saturday night, double cast winners will go off a double cast winners to be the final four. I like the UK C zones do. Okay. And then we have a too many double cast winners will go on most combined points. Or if we don't have enough double cast winners will go on most single cast points. I think that's about the only way you can do it for a two night hunt. I've been trying to think of ways to do it. Some guy said, well, let's do it like a pro classic. And you win Friday night then you can hunt Saturday night, advance on.

59:53I don't want to do that because I want everybody to be able to hunt both nights. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that's a good idea. Ruger idea and maybe we can, uh, we can twist Josh's arm and and get him to film the files on on Kane's dream. He said he was going to come film that was that's how the conversation I just called him and said, Hey, uh, you think you can come to video tape this honey said, yeah, uh, you know, we had so much fun doing that dog like I've series last year and right. I don't know. We treat like 17 or 18 coins. I know Josh's audio went off on his camera a couple times and we didn't get some of the action on there, but we had such a good time doing that. If we can have another great time doing this, hon, it'd be phenomenal. I think it's going to be, uh, I think it's going to be a hit. You know, when I when I first thought about we talked about doing this like a year ago, and then Mike feels kind of bent on me wanting me to, uh, to do it and he's right. He's like, dog's going to get old and I'd really like to, you know, get everybody's dogs out there maybe in front of the building. I'm going to try to get a banner made, uh,

1:00:55and maybe take a picture with all the hunters. I think cool. Hunter. Yeah. So the big question I'm not having that I'm never asking this. So you see, um, you didn't want to be a step dog owner, but you are. Um, the big deal is people that out of hunter, where's the next male that you're going to hunt and continue on the the bloodlines. Replacing him. I'm hoping to say my dog, my dog box out there, uh, that's about four weeks old. Um, I can tell you some males that I, I know I personally hunted with that a hundred that I would breed to that I think I think would be dominant reproducers. Uh, you know, I really think I really think the wizard dog of James Arnold is going to reproduce what we've seen. Uh, phenomenal, phenomenal dog. I haven't hunted with the walk, the Walker dog. Uh, that the, there's a little kid that owned him that's been all the winning.

1:02:00I know they're breeding him. I'd like to hunt with him. Um, you know, the, the Colby dog and Trump, they're, they're bred to reproduce. Uh, and, and Louis, the Louis dog and Mike feels just one of the EHS hunt with. They bred him once and he's got it with some nice pups too. Um, for me personally, I bought Abby last year off of Pat Keller as a started dog. I don't normally buy a lot of started dogs. She was running in trained coons. Like Pat said, he, by no means, call her a finished dog. She, uh, she hadn't been re-cut. She hadn't been a hundred with dogs, you know, all the, all the things that he did. Right. Um, but she would run in tree coons and pat did a great job with it. I specifically bought her and knowing that I was going to cross our own owner. I actually called Ryan Krausen and told him, Hey, Ryan,

1:03:00you're looking for a female. You probably ought to go buy this dog. And I told him what she was. Well, then Pat told me he goes, I've hunted her a lot, but I don't know how accurate this dog's going to be. And he said, I just want to be transparent with you. I don't, I don't know if she's going to have enough coons. So that kind of scared Ryan off. Well, then the more I thought about it, and I looked at her pedigree, I'm like, I got a buyer, even if she, she, she doesn't turn out to be something spectacular. I want her for, I want to make that cross on her. What is her pedigree? Um, she's off the late round rock. And then the female she's off of is off of three some in Georgia cyclone. Okay. Um, yeah. So she's, she's bred pretty good. But you've got pups already. Right. What's that? You got pups out of her already? Yes. There are four weeks old, there are four weeks old yesterday. Um, so the, going back to the overdrive story I'm going to tell you, I really, really, really love that,

1:04:05that overdrive stuff, which goes back to Pat Keller's Jack and Jill Dog. Mr. Moses, same stuff. You got line drive, overdrive, late round rock. It's all the, all the same breeding. Um, across those dogs on Hunter, the Hank Dog, the David Newman's Hunters, I'm a Mr. Mokin, you know, off the punk myself, have had phenomenal success breeding that line of dogs, Hunter. Okay, the trap dog that Cody's got right now that we have, he's been doing so good with trap was off of three some in live wire. Live wire is late round rocks, lettermate sister. So I just bred literally Abby's pedigree is pretty well reverse of what traps is. So Abby's off of late round rock, traps off of late round rocks, lettermate sister, Abby's off of a three some Georgia cyclone female, trap is off of three small tops. So I, you know, and of course we had trap, I like trap, I like what he's doing.

1:05:10I thought, I'm going to buy this female and I'm a hunter. If she doesn't turn out the way I want her to turn out, I'm still going to breed her to hunter. And this is going to be a pretty bold statement, but, uh, Abby is probably one of my, my favorite dogs I've ever had. Um, she's fast. She doesn't have the mouth that I want. I wish she had a bigger mouth, but her lettermates did. Um, Pat Keller had her lettermate sister is one of the best young dogs ever. Abby's told me that if Pat tells you something, you can etch it in stone. It's 100% of the truth and 90% of the way it is. Um, but you, you know, if I could fix anything about her, I wish she had a, a bigger mouth. She doesn't, but that's okay because she trees coons like their popcorn. Um, she's a, she's a striking dog. She hunts. She goes through the brush like a beetle and she just flies through the brush. Uh, so these are the pops that you've seen me a couple videos. And they are good looking pops one week. So, okay.

1:06:11So, um, I mean, a little, uh, a little cute is the joy. I started, I started feeding them with a little bit of milk, or a place where I enjoy puppy feed it two weeks old. Um, you know, just once a day. And then when they turn, they got three weeks old, they started feeding them a little more. And then they were eating dried dog feed. They was eating the 2420 out of Abby's bowl. So, I just started feeding them, I'm feeding them four cups in the morning and joy puppy feed and four cups in the evening of joy puppy feed. These things look like show pigs. I mean, they are muscled up. They've got so big of front legs and back legs. Their bone structure is just phenomenal. The biggest thing that I love about these puppies, you look at them, their tails are cocked up. These puppies are cocky. You know, they, they, uh, they're cocky. They're bold. Nothing bothers them. I started the lawn mower up yesterday. Um, inside the shed, my dog houses go from my kennel to inside the shed. I was like, oh, this will probably bother them.

1:07:12Started lawn mower up. I got a 72 inch, you know, lawn mower with a 37 horse motor on his lap. It's commercial grade mower. You start to think up, it's like getting bothered and puking. It's bothering me. This morning, I was, I was cleaning kennels. I fed them. They're all in the longest food bowl, waiting. I accidentally dropped the shovel. You know, of course, shovel hits the floor. It's loud. Not a one of them jumped. And these puppies are super, super bold. How many, how many? Have you got those are seven of them? She had 11 and, and, and, and it was my fault. She lost one of them, but she's got 10. She's your eight. 10. Okay. So that was the other thing. I mean, I was literally praying. I literally was prayed about getting a, uh, a mail dog. And I've said it to multiple people. I prayed about one of the mail dogs. It looked like Hunter. That tree like Abby that has Abby's tree style with Hunter's mouth. If I can get that, that's everything. And the third pup that popped out of her was a blanket back mail with a red head.

1:08:12And I could tell even it when he was first born. He had black sleeves going down his front legs and down his back legs like Hunter. And I could see the little tips brown for her on the inside. And his legs are turning brown. And the dog looks identical to Hunter. Uh, there you go. Is he the most bold out of that litter? If I was going to like look at the pups and be like, yeah, I'm picking that one. He wouldn't be my first pick. But looks wise, I, I, I would just told a guy that this morning, I said, you know, I said around and prayed about this pup. And, and now I'm sitting here looking at this one pup of the dog on side that I really, really like. The thing is the best one. But here I am. I got what I asked for. Uh, you know, I got the dog that looks like him. Now if he's got the mouth of Hunter has and, uh, the tree habit that Abby has, I'll have it made. But I would like, I would like to, you know, really devote a lot of time in, in this dog and, and put a bunch of bunch of time and make sure that he turns out to be good. He might not turn out to be anything. But if he would turn out to be something really, really good,

1:09:14he definitely has a stud dog pedigree and it will be something that I will breed. Right. Yeah, that's, you see, you see all these people with stud dogs and, um, lot of them are most of them can't find something out of that dog to continue it on. Um, of course there's, like I said, our name a couple of people that's, they'll have for your four in a row. Um, they're dogs. Yeah, they stud and, but most of them are, um, one hit wonder still have a, they'll have a, they'll have a stud dog and they never can find that dog to replace their original stud dog. So that's the reason I had asked that question. That's, um, I had the buck dog, um, and he probably, I love that dog. My nephew wanted to kill me when I sold that dog. You want my, I always say youth hunt one, even one of bunch youth stuff with him. Super, super good dog. Got a file of the super six has done a lot of one.

1:10:15Probably one six year, seventy thousand PKC. Um, you know, that dog there would have reproduced and I should have probably kept him around, but, uh, it's a partners with Roger Shable on him, you know, so I, I didn't own him 100%. So should have kept the dog around, uh, that dog in North South Carolina. Yes. Yep. Right. Yep. Uh, should have probably kept that dog, um, or that purpose, you know, he was on the bottom side. He's off of, uh, Mr. J stuff, which is Danny Perez's stuff, which then again is the same stuff that Pat Keller's been breeding. Right. So, um, very, very good dog. I would say reproduces. I'm guessing those guys probably don't want to bring. I don't know that. I'm just kind of throwing out some ideas. If anybody's listening, he was second and super stakes. Correct. He played second. Uh, dude one. Right. He got, he got second place, didn't he?

1:11:16Second or third? Maybe second. Yeah. No, I think he got third because I think Justin Perman got second. Okay. I think it was dude and Perman and him. Yeah, that was the, um, of course, we sent Josh out there and wow, that was the, it's super stakes. We always let everybody vote. You know, you got the one year olds, two year old, three year olds. We always let, you know, joy dog food customers, can stream people vote on which one they want. They was overwhelming. They wanted that cast. And I was pumped. I was not there. Josh was there. He was pumped. A cast, it was just a slug fest. It was just a shootout. And about 30 minutes in Josh lost. Signal. And. You know, I called you.

1:12:17I always, I was mad. Josh was mad because we always require like, okay, if we're, we're doing a pro sport, we're doing PKC or whatever we're doing. Just please, please, you know, we do it for free. Please get us a spot where there's a signal. That's all we ask. We just want a signal so we can do this live. No signal. You know, I was mad. I said, Osma ad, Josh was mad. Conversation lasted about 30 seconds. We want to want to talk to the rest of the mad because he'd been out there all week. And that's what we're there for. And then bank. So yeah, I don't. We're having total. Right. Internet router like a store link. Yeah. So I'm giving you a hint. So when we come out there and do that final to that, I'm going to put the pressure on you. Save one really, really good honey hole. Zach and make sure that they've got, uh, make sure we've got a signal out there.

1:13:21I'm sure. We've got, we've got some good spots. We'll be able to go right outside of town on a blog room that I like. Well, I will, uh, Joey dog food will donate five pound bags for everybody inters. And then your final cast will donate big bags. Uh, and I'll probably throw some hats in and we'll probably have some little water bowl stuff like that. We'll, we'll, we'll help you guys out because I'm interested. In fact, I might even, I might even run up there. I think, I think that's, that's the same weekend, uh, of the Joey Super Hunt for Beatles, December 11th and 12th. I'm pretty sure I'll have to check and see. I think that's the same weekend. So I probably, well, I will be if that's, if that's the big old week, I'll be there. But, uh, Zach, anything else, but we jump off here today, anything else you want to say or talk about or Well, if anybody comes to this hunt and they, you know, they

1:14:26we're going to do camaraderie. So if we can, you know, we're going to, if they want to hang out during the day time, that'd be great. Uh, you know, even if you, if you, I want to tell people if, even if you don't have a pup to hunt and hunt, then there's a lot of guys out there. I think of that has bread to hunter. That's sold their dogs. That's trained dogs off of hunter. If you've supported the dog and you've been along for the trip, come on. Come sit down, eat, talk. It's going to be, it's going to be a good time. If you want to hang out, you know, I'll probably get there like it. I know it would be super tired, but if we get there even like at noon, start cooking and everybody wants to come, BS, whatever. If somebody's got a squirrel dog, they won't go squirrel hunting. I'm sure there'll be people around that'll, you know, we can go squirrel hunting, whatever. Treat it like it's a family atmosphere. That's what it's going to be. That's the way I want it to be. I don't, I don't want anybody to feel like they're out of place, or they're not on welcome, and they're not good enough to be there. And even if you've got a young dog, it's maybe not trained, or you don't think that good,

1:15:27or whatever, burning it. Who cares? I mean, it's going to be for fun. You know, I was going to sound like a good time. And Zach, if you all offer this to, if you need some help on a writing up an ad, because here it is. Here it is September, you know, here 90 days away. She's your 90 days away. So people got to take off work. If you want, if you need help writing up an ad for this, when we get off here, text me a call me, and I'll get Alex here in the marketing department to write up an ad with you guiding her. We can go ahead and I'll send it over to you in an email, or PDF form, and you can, you can post it. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I, uh, I don't have a lot, you know, a lot more. And we could have went on for hours about how everything's going down and what's, what's, uh, what always went on. But biggest thing is I appreciate everybody that's called,

1:16:27been interested in him. You know, people that's came and, and bred to him. Uh, we've been very, very fortunate of not missing females. Nothing like that's really taking place. I mean, yeah, we've missed a few. I mean, I can literally tell you that we've not missed more than 10 females his whole career. Right. Still going good. Don't know how long it's going to last. And, uh, when it's over, it's over. I've got some greetings on him. I've got some seamen on him. But I'm not going to sell on the own for myself, uh, for later on on in life. Um, not saying that they won't ever be for sale. But as of right now, I'm just, it's six hour drive for me. I know I got a lot of guys that's asking me to ship them, seeming the stuff. I love to. But here's the deal. It's six hours one way for me to get the dog collected. Right. Jess helped me get the dog collected, you know, early on. Um, it's just two, it's just too far for me to get him collected. I did take a mizuz two hours away.

1:17:28It's kind of hard to get in and it's super pricey. I did get him collected there one time. I didn't have a lot of luck. Um, and I don't know why it was during COVID. I couldn't go in there. I don't know what all I was doing. But I got a guy down my ballroom is already the collecting. It's been super, super good. I got him collected in Texas too. But I'm going to hold on to the semen. And when people call on acid, it's not that I, I wouldn't. I don't want to breathe through female air. I don't want to ship them. Females seem further female. It's just a, and I'm not trying to be a prick about a little bit. It's just the fact is I collected the dogs that have semen later on in life when I want to use it. And I don't have a lot of it. So I'm not going to sell it. Right. So I don't like me. Anyways, I just kind of wanted to say that case. You know, I know I get a lot of questions about it. And I absolutely not trying to be a prick and say, no, I'm not going to breathe through the mail. I know I had a guy the other day, you know, said, you know, I'm not going to be using this semen on a, on a cold female, you know, this is going in a really, really good female.

1:18:29If West Hamilton came up to me with Ruby and asked me to use my semen, I would tell him the same thing. I mean, that's the fact of the deal. I'm keeping the semen for the semen for later on. You know, when he's gone, as over right now, he's still breeding very well. Things are going good. So I'm going to live breeding as long as, as long as he's producing pups. We're going to breed him. So if you've got a female or somebody's got a female, and they want to breed, have at it. And I'm going to tell you one thing right now, I'm not the type of person that if you call me and want to breed a female and then you go breed to say, rodeo or drive-liner on them, I'm not going to hold it against you. I don't care what you breed to. That's totally up to you. 100% understand. Don't care if my best friend breed doesn't breed to my dog. I'm pretty proud of him. I don't get gratitude. So don't feel like if you've called me and asked about breeding or whatever, and it doesn't work out and you breed it somebody else,

1:19:31I'm not going to hold against chat. I don't care. You know, and that same thing like psychonies, this hunter hunt, if you've bred to the dog and you sold the dogs and you like, well, I don't have a dog hunt, you feel like I'm going to be upset with you because you didn't like the pups or whatever. Don't care. Still come. I mean, you've still, you tried to support us. So anyways, Well, that is the situation I've, I've talked about this 15 times. I did, I quickly was hunting on about 94, 95, okay. Had high standard dog food going. And then I didn't buy enjoyed dog food, but this is a classic example. I would have never, if I hadn't got back into coon hunting and had these dog food companies, I would have never met you. So, you know, I just come from automobiles and gosh, there's so many good coon hunters out there. You know, I just hadn't been in years.

1:20:32I went out there. I really enjoyed stuff like that. I met so many good people and you're one of them. So I really appreciate you being on here. This is only the second podcast I've had with Wednesdays with Wade. And man, when I started making a list, you were right at the top. I want to get Zach would be on there. Love the story. You know, I've talked to Josh, understand how you are, how you hunt. You're one of the good guys. And I really appreciate you being on here with me. Thank you very much. Yeah, I appreciate it. Here's the here. I want to say one other thing. Sure. I know there's been a lot of turmoil and a lot of nasty stuff put on the internet about, you know, all this the cheating that's been going on and you know, this gap delation about the cheating and all that. And I know that it puts a lot of bad light, you know,

1:21:35from the outside looking at it, if you, if you, you've seen some of the things that people put on the internet about competition, kuna notting, you know, it makes it makes a look bad. But competition kuna notting has been an absolute blessing to my life. And I really believe it's not as bad as what people portray it to be. But the biggest thing when I want to want to say is, when you're out there, when you're out there at a competition kuna, there's a lot of people that are looking up up to the us guys that are winning and that people consider to be good at the sport. Right. Um, so, you know, we need to be good examples there, everybody. So we don't get all this negative stuff on the internet. There's a lot of good kids that's coming up right now. You know, I'm between that 14 and 17 year old range. That's watching and looking. They're seeing the stuff on the internet. They're really, really paying attention. And I think is, you know, we always talk all the time. We want the youth to come onto it.

1:22:36We want, we want, we, we're going to be nothing without the youth. Well, if we don't leave my example and do it right and do the things to continue to do it right, the sport's going to be a failure. So, you know, I mean, that's what I just want to challenge all the other guys out there that's in this sport is, uh, make sure we're good examples for these guys coming up. So anyways, I appreciate you talking. I totally agree. Okay, Zach, um, again, thank you very much. This will air on, uh, on, on, on a Wednesday. Um, good talking to you again. And we'll talk soon. Hey, good luck at the super snakes too. Thank you very much. This is, uh, where you're asking us to owner joy, pet food. Fueled by Joy podcast. Zach would be with, uh, Wednesdays with Wade. Again, thank you very much. Yep, thanks Wade. Bye. Bye.