WCW Retro with "Maestro" Rob Kellum - Casper Luna

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1:00You got it. Okay. Oh excellent. There you are. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, hey, welcome to the show. Oh, much appreciated. My man. It's I appreciate you having me. It's good to see you again. Oh, good to see you. Thank you. I mean, I've been wanting to have you the special guest here for quite a while. So we finally got you on your mess. It's really cool. I feel honored. I appreciate it. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh gosh, man. There's so much to talk about with you. I mean, you like I alluded to earlier, you're you're a man of many talents. Give us a little a little background on yourself and what what all do you do? Well, overall, I am a writer. I specialize in short stories, novellas, primarily in the horror

2:02and science fiction realm. I am also a filmmaker. I started my company like and throw entertainment about four years ago, I believe. And I've gotten really lucky right out the gate being able to work with a number of awesome filmmakers that were able to take a chance on me. Let me get involved in their program programs and different projects and films they had going on. And the first two films, I think it was a blackout right there hanging up on the wall. That one sweeps. I think well over a dozen awards throughout the film festival circuit and international awards. It's currently on YouTube right now. We just actually won another award for a film called Outerbound, which is a feature film and it just won best international feature film in Sweden. So the people that I've been really fortunate enough to work with the actors, the different

3:02production crews, anytime that I have an idea and they hey, do you know anybody that wants to get involved in this? And I get really excited. Next thing I know I'm getting messages from all these random people, oh so and so told me to reach out. I'm looking for work. I heard you have this script and it's it's real fun where I'm at out in Eastern North Carolina because we're right next to Wilmington and we're close to the Raleigh area. And there's a lot of history in the area with filmmaking and it's still been passed down to where we still have the film schools, we have the actors, all the creative people are still here and they're still hungry for work. So I'm happy to get involved with them and then on my primary side, what I primarily do is I'm a musician and composer. So I have my own music out there. If anybody types in Casper Luna into Google, I will crop up all over the place. Facebook, Instagram, Casper Luna art, everything from photography to

4:04painting, published short stories. I've never been able to really sit in one place for too long and be comfortable. I get kind of bored with things really easily once I've done them a lot of times and I know what to expect and I kind of look around and go okay well what's the next thing I can get into and see if I can use it to create something. So I have all these everything from the films to radio dramas to music and all sorts of fun jazz that's out there for people to look at on Instagram and Facebook, Casper Luna art or like and throw up entertainment. If anybody has any questions or wants to even just get involved in the film industry, I'm all for hooking people up and giving them a leg up and pointing them in the right direction because I also happen to work for a nonprofit organization which I believe you also are a member of as well called Inno River Media

5:06and they're primarily based out of North Carolina, main offices are based out of Raleigh but we have people all over the regions and one of our main things that we focus on is film, the acting community, being able to give people jobs and point them in the right direction so that if they have an idea we can introduce them to somebody that has the right actors or the right script or the right funding and be able to get the pot kind of boiling a little bit so that they can get out there and create cool stuff. That's great that's that's amazing you know all artists have a vision their own vision when they start you know start you know exploring that that realm if you will on what was when you started venturing out with all these avenues what was your vision at the time?

6:07I actually was just sending a message to a friend when she complimented me on all the different things that I do and you know she looks at it as impressive and I just see it as I can't sit still but when she asked me you know what why so many things and I told her something that I've been telling everything in every actor every performer whether you're on stage your wrestler you're a bicycle rider if you're a race car driver whatever your passion is that you want to do do it regardless of the headaches the reason why we take the knocks the reason why we take the low paychecks or the no paychecks in a lot of cases is so that we can make those connections we can get that experience we can try and get to that next step so that eventually we don't have to have a nine to five I've worked dozens of jobs I've been I was in the army I was a firefighter I was a

7:08truck driver I've been a short order cook I've owned my own businesses I've done a whole gambit of jobs and the one thing that I've been able to take away from it is I'm good at every job that I've approached and I've really put my mind to but it's that nine to five mentality the fact that you have to clock in for a job that you're doing for whatever means whether it's to get by or it's a stepping stone and it can get frustrating and it can drag on you and it can really break your spirit I've known tons of creative people that they just started putting all their creations a bit to the sideline because they went into survival mode and their main focus was the paycheck I have to get up go to work go to sleep and everything that really made them who they were and gave them that spark and that joy becomes a hobby and kind of falls off to the wayside and I hate seeing that because I'm a very firm believer and I've told everybody that I come across that if you have any

8:10creative talent whatsoever whether you can draw a picture you can take a picture you can say something eloquently you can design a building whatever your gift is you are obligated to give it to the world there is not enough really awesome stuff in the world right now for people to look at and latch on to there's a lot of craziness in the world there's a lot of doom scrolling there's a lot of people that are stuck in a kind of mental depression because they're looking for all of these neat avenues of things to get that indoor from a release or get that creative release and I think that if the people that were out there that have those gifts and have those skills were a little bit more open to say this is what I like this is who I am this is what I think is pretty what do you guys think then we might get a lot more interesting things out in the world rather than you know changing the channel and seeing the same program over and over I like the idea of throwing a boomerang in there ever once in a while you know I like seeing something that's not

9:14expected in the person standing right next to it that created it only as a smile and won't give an explanation like here it is enjoy it have a good day and they go about they're not looking for recognition they're not looking for a pat on the back they just wanted to create something awesome for the world and I really like to encourage people like that that's that's great that really is man you know throughout everything that you do I mean tell us about some of the most rewarding moments that you've had thus far so far so recently over the past few months I would say probably one of my personally my most rewarding one is actually just taking that chance for the first time when I first launched my entertainment company I was looking for something to get involved in if I want to get in the film community I got to

10:19make some friends I got to ask questions just try and get my foot in the door and I found a couple of filmmakers named Sean neurona and Jacob Allen and they were working on blackout and it's a short action film they had the script they had the actors they had everything in place and it all came down to the final weekend that they were shooting and they needed funding they needed help on set all the all the small parts that people really don't think of in a film set that kind of make the difference to connect the dots I was able to help them out with that at the last minute like it was my own personal little clutch moment that looking in hindsight I'm now I'm really proud of because that one moment of saying you know what what the hell I'm going to take a gamble let's see what happens and I dove head first you know I figured sink or swim that's the

11:21best way to kind of learn an industry and I had such a blast I got to meet so many cool people I was hovering over everybody shoulders trying to learn everybody's jobs see what everybody was doing and by the end of my experience with all of that I gained tons of knowledge I became an executive producer and ended up with an IMDB page which I grew up outside Hollywood for a better part of my childhood and I never thought that I'd be able to like even be in the same industry and now I can see my name on the same website as all these actors I grew up with and it was kind of that fuzzy feeling that oh wow this is real and then next thing I know I start getting these thank you messages from the actors from the crew from the production people from the director and I'm looking at it and I'm staying involved with everything and I just keep seeing these awards popping up from film festivals all over the place best short best action best director best editor and I didn't fulfill

12:26any of those jobs that was all the people that had been already on the game for a while but because of my contribution I was able to help finish off the project and because they got finished and it was able to get put out there now they have those accolades now they have those those paths on the back and they get those little stickers on their fridge to say yeah I got the word for this and all this other stuff and that really made me feel kind of awesome because it was something that I felt that I was supposed to do you know that's part of the job you want to get involved you know get the experience here you go and then to actually see the gratitude from people and the excitement from people and finally get to see the end result of everything knowing that I was able to help make that happen really was a motivator for me after that anybody that sent me a message that worked on that project send me the script you know send me

13:30the actor what do you guys need you have another project you're on let me get involved and I got a really awesome insight into how cool especially the indie film community can be when it comes to loyalty hard work if we find people that we like working with we're keeping you you know and we want to work with you again and they just love passing the buck around so many different areas to where you kind of don't have a choice but to get your name thrown out there if one person gets congratulated everybody gets congratulated because it was a group effort and it's yeah that's that's really been like kind of my favorite pat on the back moment was being able to to have that idea of oh this would be really neat if this happened and then to actually see it happen and come to fruition one of the listeners rather one to ask you what if some of the film projects

14:31that you you worked on that's for oh wow okay so surprisingly the list really isn't as long as some would think for you know four years in the business you would think that if somebody's really hyper and really active they get tons of stuff done and then you realize when you're in the business how long everything takes and from the pre-production to the planning you could take two days to film something and you get three minutes worth of footage out of it the most ridiculous turn around but all of that aside uh let's see the films I've been involved in will blackout is still my pride and joy because that was the one that got me into the industry and kind of got my foot in the door and almost immediately after that the director of blackout Sean neurona ended up giving me a call and said hey I really appreciated your help I loved working with you and we got to know each other a bit over that and he pitched me an idea for a feature film that he was trying

15:35to get off the ground and I got involved in that and that one's called outer bound and that's the one that I mentioned that just won the international best feature film award and now that one's currently in the film festival circuits I have also been working with a filmmaker named Alec Bady at black dragon studios and he has been indispensable to me as far as what I like to call gorilla filming if you have a camera you have an actor you have an idea shoot it it doesn't have to be the prettiest it doesn't have to be clamor think of it like a demo tape it's getting the idea on paper so you can go back look at it this works this doesn't work yeah let's do this for real he loves doing stuff like that he loves taking chances on ideas and he also happens to be a major nerd me and him talk about superheroes and comic books all the time and he's gotten me involved in a couple pieces as an actor he did a Deadpool film that's on youtube called Deadpool die another day

16:43it's a fan film and he's currently wrapping up the second and third episodes for it and I believe I'm in the second episode so still waiting for that one to come out and we're currently filming feature film called kev the impersonator phenom about a Michael Jackson impersonator and his experiences actually in that industry when you work with real life celebrity impersonators they get booked for gigs they go out they do performances you know it's a real thing but you never really get see what goes on behind the scenes because not only are a lot of them musicians and performance but they're actors too and putting on that character and that persona you have to study you have the work hard you have to take you know the long shifts and the noxenary thing where people looking and go really you impersonate Michael Jackson that that's a thing you know and nobody takes you serious well you put in enough hard work and enough time and eventually somebody's going to know she didn't say hey I like what you do I think it's interesting come with me you know

17:44and that's what we're trying to show with that film and then I'm currently working in production of two smaller short films once called the fair of about a driver and his passenger in the backseat without giving too much fun stuff away and it's just a nice like five minute little piece about life existentialism just conversing about your accomplishments and your achievements in life and what to expect beyond and then there's basil which I'm working with one of my writer buddies which is not so nice and jolly because it's about a kind of psychotic hobo clown that finds his way into an abandoned building that just so happens to be possessed by the ghosts of dead clowns and it kind of takes a fun little horse spiral kind of in the vein of the old tales from the

18:44crypt episodes where it had that little bit of campy horror to it and you saw people get messed up but you kind of giggled when it happened and it's it's a real fun experiment so it's the past couple years have been very busy when it comes to making connections and getting the ball rolling with that and the aside from the actual films the easier way that I do things with some of the stories are through radio dramas and I believe I have about four or five of them already posted up onto my Spotify and those are essentially short story ideas and short film ideas that we either don't have the funding or the means at the moment to film but we still wanted to get it out there and kind of get the idea and the expression out there of all the characters in the scene so we put together special effects we got music composers together with original soundtracks we have voice actors together we bring them into the studio into the studio to work with all of our sound equipment

19:47and just have a good time and if you were to just kind of picture-watching a tv show or a short film and closing your eyes all the stuff that you would normally hear on screen is what we try to present to you just through the medium of speakers wow very well said very well said is there any goals that you still have in mind you would like to achieve or you just like taking a day by day I have a few long-term goals that I'm really trying to keep my eye on I was actually talking with a business partner and colleague of mine the other day that one of my ultimate goals is oh you should never say it out loud it's like Rome if you whisper it too loud it could fall apart but you know what the other world and let's see if I can get some people to get behind me on

20:48this one picture this gang boys and girls club YMCA kind of like a place where people can gather and get together I've never been a sports guy I've always been an artist I've always been a musician I love actors I love all the creative types that being said I see plenty of places that you can go play basketball plenty of place you can go lift weights but there aren't really a lot of community places like that where you can go and paint and you can just go learn a musical instrument you can go to a free library with a writing room and sit down at a computer because you don't have the time for the access all of the things that a lot of creative people take for granted you're a musician you don't have a place to practice or maybe you want to learn an instrument but you don't have the money for lessons my ultimate long-term goal is to be able to eventually reach the level where I can open a nonprofit that essentially caters to the artistic community

21:51and community services outreach programs be able to give people an outlet that is more constructive than anything else I grew up around LA gangs I saw graffiti everywhere and you can tell between somebody that's got no talent or skill they're just trying to put their little name out there and then you turn a corner and you see something that should be a mural or should be hanging up in a museum and your jog drops and it's spray cans you know it's a proper creative talent there's a whole style well I'd love to take some of those people you know you get a teenage kid picked up by the cops because he was tagging on the side of a freeway all right bring them on by we'll give them hook him up with an artist that really knows how to use a spray can you know take those different bless you take those different outreaches and those different skills and try and find a creative outlet for them rather than just letting them sit there stagnant you know if you're

22:54a creative person and you just feel that you're out of place because of wherever you live or you don't have that direct contact to be able to learn those things I want to be able to afford people that opportunity to where you can come by you don't have to worry about paying for lessons where a nonprofit we get donations we do fundraisers we do all that stuff so that you can come down on a Tuesday and say I want to learn how to play acoustic guitar or I want to learn how to write a short story I want to know what do I have to do to put on a community play you know what's involved in a production team all those things that created people want to know if you want to put on a community play because you and your friends wrote a plane you want to show it off come on down put your name on the list as long as we don't have anybody booked for that weekend show off your beauty you know that's that's what I want to be able to ultimately contribute to everybody all of the films the the music all the income all that stuff that I get in goes directly back into my

23:58businesses to do more work and get more people work and just keep it going because at the end of the day that's my goal is to build it up so much to where I can eventually dump whatever excess money I have that I don't use on burger and fries you know in a CD from time time I want to be able to dump that into my vision of being able to give people easier access to just have a safe place to where they can express themselves and be creative you now you've done some work with the nightmare factory right I have yeah yeah tell us about that so the nightmare factory oh see now you got me now you got me out tingly so the nightmare factory for anybody who isn't

24:58familiar with it nightmare factory NC dot com multiple award-winning haunt attraction award-winning makeup artist actors our production team we've been featured in magazines national exhibitions on tv and online my role there is I play a character called the mortician and when you enter the factory you are essentially entering a real life horror movie when you see people go into the industrial sector you see the chain swinging and rattling their steam coming out of the grades and your heart starts pounding a little bit because you thought you saw a shadow move that's what we do for a living and we are very good family friendly the whole nine yards from seven when we open the doors till nine o'clock at night that is our PG 13 once it goes from nine o'clock on is

25:59rated R we are fully interactive we have squirted people with liquids we will get on your shirts and we will start digging at your arms in the middle of the dark just to make you jump we will get inches in front of your face right when the strove lights kick and all that you see is just blood and mess it is it's a horrific adventure that I highly recommend everybody try at least once our seasons usually run from about the beginning to the middle of September on through roughly about hollowing to the first week of november and it's a purely a yearly seasonal thing for those handful of weeks from the time that our doors open at seven the way that our crew and our people work is we do not stop until the last ticket is sold if that means that we started seven p.m. and the last person walks out at two thirty in the morning we're drained we're broken we are violent angry and scary in

27:01all the best ways but that's because we want to go home too you know it might be the experience of it but those longer nights I kind of enjoyed a lot more listening to the screams of all the patrons because the closer we get towards that late time of the night the more intense it gets because we just lose ourselves in our characters we have people that the moment that they get done up as zombies or as killer clowns or whatever their character may be they will not come out of it the moment that it's game time they are in character full time and a lot of them have actually gone off to do different acting careers and jobs in the film industry that it because people have come through the attraction are seeing clips and saw our actors perform and they got jobs out of that and it's a really awesome community to end up working for Justin Justin Yates and his partner James

28:06Moore they built that place at least I think this year is our 20th anniversary of the nightmare factoring and for Eastern North Carolina it has its beauties it has its charms but as far as attractions and entertainment and stuff like that you really have to go to bigger cities to find things that kind of stand out it's usually a lot of local things and we for where we're at surprisingly we get people from all over the country that drive out to see us because they saw a video clip or they saw an interview or they heard about us from a spooky award show and we get people that come out from Washington California we get hot reviewers and scare people from all over the country they come out and they'll get the permission and the access so where they can walk through and able to do a cam video and do little promos and stuff like that and they get to work with the owners of the factory in marketing their piece and it becomes kind of a joint effort in being

29:08able to promote everything that everybody's doing and it's turned out to be a lot of fun I believe this year is going to be my fourth my fourth year there as an actor and I can I cannot wait it's heartbreaking as soon as the seasons over you get into a routine and then Friday night shows up and I'm twiddling my thumbs because I got nothing to do you know I want to get back into the makeup I want to get my costume back on I that that's probably been my favorite character that I have ever done just because it allows me to unleash a side of me that I usually don't get to tap into I like playing the villains I like being the bad guy from time to time I get to put the long hair to use and you know be all spooky and look gnarly in the rain so it's it's something that I route I am so stoked to be able to get back in the game and do this year on December 12th Disney Plus invites you to go behind the scenes with Taylor Swift in an exclusive six episode

30:11docu series I wanted to give something to the fans that they didn't expect the only thing left is to close the book the end of an era and don't miss Taylor Swift the era's tour the final show featuring for the first time a torture poets department streaming December 12th only on Disney Plus that's so cool oh gosh I gotta get back down that way and see you guys man and when you do you gotta let me know when you're coming because we we have some insider tricks that that we use in things like that but if we get special VIP guests they will get a special VIP treatment so all of you guys out there you know make friends interact with the pages Facebook Instagram all that jazz you know make friends with the actors make friends with nightmare factory and if you sit there and say hey we want to come through we want this special thing we'll definitely give you the time of your life that that's awesome that's awesome you know what advice would you give either those

31:18they're listening to this podcast or those you would bump into that wanted to pursue you know the arts and films wow um really there's there's a lot of ways to go about it I mean you can take college classes community classes you can learn a lot of things on youtube just even getting started you know one of my favorite piece of advice to give everybody if you have an idea you have a cell phone this little dukey right here is your ticket I know that you have one no matter how cheap it is how good the camera is how crap it is I know you have one which means you have a camera crew I know that you're creative I know that you sit there and you joke with your friends and you tell little funny stories or you sit there and say oh wow this would be awesome

32:19guess what you've got a writer now all you need is an actor how badly do you want it how much do you love your craft it you don't even have to be an actor just put yourself on up get it out and then go find that person that you think fits your character and say look this is my idea what what do you think and if they're a good actor they'll look at and go oh okay I I can work with this and they'll take that put their own spin on it now you got your actor go out and film your idea it is literally that easy gang it can take five minutes it can take five hours it can take five days it doesn't matter but it is genuinely that easy to get it done you can go to college which I highly encourage even if it's just for a certification getting some kind of knowledge of the industry you want to learn how cameras work or you want to learn how editing programs work anything like that I highly encourage getting some kind of certification or education on what you do and preferably from

33:22people I do it for a living but aside from that go out and do it I've known tons of people that encourage their friends and encourage their kids and their loved ones and everything and they'll say follow your passions do what you feel you're supposed to do but they always follow it up with but remember to stay in school remember to have a backup plan don't quit your job just yet it's good information it's very practical and that's what people who love you want to say because they want to look out for you the way that I operate isn't that black and white I'm a firm believer if I have that fallback if I have that job to fall back on there's no risk I'm not struggling I'm not as hungry as I could be for it because I know I have a paycheck coming if you want to be an actor go to an audition look online start making friends film groups Facebook groups you can go on

34:29Instagram Twitter TikTok there are communities all over the place start locally whatever city you're in I'm currently based in North Carolina our biggest most popular city that you can name is Raleigh because it's our capital it's our main industry hub there's tons of business that comes out of there if you live in Raleigh search locally for Raleigh actors groups film groups make friends with directors get into chat groups where are you guys going try and become an extra on a film you're not going to get paid you might not even get food but guess what you're going to be on set you're going to be able to do what you're supposed to do which is not get a paycheck it's look around watch and learn how do I make it from a person standing in the crowd to being the person right there in front of the camera what do I have to do to make those steps make friends with the actors make friends with the script writers you know if you really want to get involved in in this

35:29industry it really isn't that hard the hardest part is finding the networking and the people and if you're willing to take five or ten minutes out of your day you're sitting on the toilet you're scrolling through Facebook anyways use it to your use type into the search actors guilds actors communities you know be proactive with your time because at the end of the day I can't make it for you I I can't give you a job I would give you a job but I can't give you a job because you didn't come looking for it you have to want to sit there and say I want to be somebody else for a few days or I want to be able to write a story I might not be able to bring it to like but I know some cool people who might maybe if they like my idea they'll do it and then hopefully with a little bit of luck a little bit of determination making your mistakes and your hiccups you can sit back after a while and look around and all of a sudden you hear somebody call action and here's these two

36:33people and they're saying your words you will never get a bigger smile on your face as an artist than moments like that when you get that demo and you put it out to somebody and you get that phone call that says oh hey by the way we liked your reel a perfect example off of blackout from my associations the connections staying in touch with the right people one of the actors is also a writer and director named Davis Osborne he was in the conjuring he's been in tons of things over the past 20 years I believe he's been in and out of the film community and working with all these different groups and now he is directing a series called p27 and it's actively in production and I am actually going to be heading out to West Virginia on the 24th of this month because I got cast as a character and it all was from a meeting we had what three years ago four

37:33years ago almost where he said you know what I like your style I like the way you think when we're talking about characters and roles I really want to put you in something I just don't know what what it is yet and then a month ago I get a phone call just out of the blue like that you can get your break when you least expect it but you have to take that first step you have to take that chance and go you know what I don't care who laughs at me I'm gonna dance I don't care who plugs their ears I'm gonna sing you know all whatever you feel is inside of you you need to take that chance and dive in head first it's it could be fun it could be painful but it will always be the best learning experience that you can have and personally for your audience and your listeners that are out there for anybody that's particularly in the North Carolina area but I also don't like to follow specific rules so I like to say anybody in the U.S.

38:41if you want to find out more about film you want to find out about connections you want to find out what you can do to get in touch with these kind of people and to be able to make these kind of networks you know river media we are advocates I was talked to last night actually at one of our board meetings about a position in our board that we're about to create which specifically is going to handle getting people together finding actors for films finding scripts for directors being able to get all of these cogs moving so that at the end of the day all the people who are trying to work can finally come together go play go do your thing and if you guys want to be able to get involved in that and be able to start meeting some people even on Facebook you know river media we have our main Facebook page on there come interact with us every all of us we check our

39:46pages we have direct email links through the organization and there's not a single one of us that work at that organization on any level that will hesitate to answer your questions if you sit there and take the time to write us if you have a question about the industry you have a question what do I have to do how do I do this who can I call what resources can I look at reach out to us and we will be more than happy to point you in the right direction refreshing wild cherry cola meets smooth cream the tree you deserve Pepsi wild cherry and cream treat yourself I know you touched a little on this earlier but remind us once again how people can stay in touch with you so the easiest ways to stay in touch with me is I do have my website CasperLunaArt.com

40:50it is currently down at the moment because we are revamping the entire website it's getting its first overhaul in almost five years so hopefully it will be back up by this summer CasperLunaArt or Lycanthrope Entertainment for anybody that doesn't know you know what Lycanthropy is where wolves nice spooky scary stuff but you can also look down where is it right there right underneath my name and you can find me on Instagram Facebook I am active on both platforms I also have my youtube channel for CasperLunaArt Lycanthrop Entertainment and my pages for Lycanthrop creative studios which is my record label that I release my music and later this year some upcoming local artists which is going to be a fun thing but yeah if anybody wants to reach out to me about anything you can either hit me up on my

41:51social media pages or you can feel free to email me at CasperLuna the email is CasperLuna at CasperLunaArt.com you guys send me an email I'm going to be a little skeptical I'm going to read it up and down make sure it doesn't look too Spanish so if you write like a robot try and put in you know by the way I'm not a robot I'll giggle and we'll be fine but yeah Instagram Facebook on either any of those channels if anybody wants to reach out to me questions comments concerns let me know what your favorite cookie is let me know who your favorite wrestler is what's your favorite 80s movie and I want you to be specific I don't want a blanket thing I want specs genres if you've got five of them you better have five of them but yeah as long as you meet those criteria I think I think we could definitely help each other out and I wouldn't love to bring some new blood into the industry thank thank you so much Casper it's been such a pleasure having

42:58you on the show thank you so much now thank you my show I really appreciate everything and for all of you who don't know who this guy is and if you're watching this I don't know why you don't know who this guy is you need to type his name in you need to look him up you need to check out some of his pictures because this guy right here has had an awesome career actually you know what before you let me go I would like to ask you one thing since I do interviews as well share credit it's about something because after going through your pages and seeing some of your posts and doing my own little snooping online and learning about your storied career in the professional industry and just all of your experiences out of if you had to pick your personal favorite it's your warm and fuzzy moment where you feel that you accomplished something that was a real achievement

43:59for yourself in your industry what would that be you know I really can't pinpoint it down to just one moment it's been quite a few moments and the moments that come to mind is whenever I'm performing in front of people whether they've been wrestling whether it be on set for a film whether it be on the theater not play etc just the fact that interaction that emotional interaction with the audience it's it's a rush like no other it's it's such an amazing feeling to have that connection I like that I kind of equate that on my musician side because as a green you really don't get that you get a lot of stop and go stop and go but as a musician when you're on stage you feed off of the audience if if they're dead you're going to play dead but if they are killing it in their rock and you're going to start breaking a sweat whether you're hot or not and I I like that

45:04that vibe that's a good answer I appreciate that Rob oh thank you so much for asking hopefully one of these days I'll be able to get you on my youtube channel and be able to pick your brain a little bit about your life and some of your experiences I'd be on to whenever you ready to have me. Lately we will definitely make that happen. My show thank you so much you have been such a pleasure to talk to and such a gods and I appreciate the opportunity for this. Thank you so much as well. God bless you man everything you do and I wish you all the best and guys this has been a real treat tonight. Thank you mr. Caspar Luna for being here and thank you guys for listening and you guys have an awesome rest of the week and weekend and we'll see you guys next Thursday. God bless have a good night. Voice of choice wrestling nation per worldwide on voc nation.com. Hi this is Rain and I'm part of voc wrestling nation.

46:31What? Worldwide? Worldwide? Worldwide? Hi this is Alicia from WSU Wrestling and I'm a part of the voc wrestling nation. Voice of choice wrestling nation per worldwide on voc nation.com