Trump’s “two weeks” war is about to break America

0:00It's the tip of the spare in the epic battle to defend the United States of America. The National Security Hour exposes the wolves in sheep clothing and then a various plots to undermine and destroy U.S. National Security. Hello and welcome to the National Security Hour. Thank you for joining us on the mission. The National Security Hour is the tip of the spear in the epic battle to defend the United States of America. I'm Brandon Weikert, your friendly neighborhood host. You can catch me right here every single Wednesday night at 8 p.m. Eastern and you can follow me at We The Brandon on Twitter X. We are back with another national security talk. I guess we're going to call this the war edition. The first update of what I'm assuming to be many because contrary to what this administration

1:02is saying, well they haven't said much actually. They haven't said much about it, which is upsetting in and of itself, but I have a feeling this thing is going to go on a lot longer than just a couple of days. We are joined by our friend David Pine. He is the editor in chief over at the real war on sub-stack. I am Brandon Weikert. You can now find me no longer at national interest. You can find me at senior national security editor at 1945.com as well as writing under the pseudonym NATSEC GUY on Emerald Robinson sub-stack the right way, emerald.tv. I have my own section there and we're blowing up the place because it's no holds barred over there. We're really getting into a lot of truth about national security that a lot of people aren't ready for, but need to know about. Without further ado, David, it's great to have you back with us. How are you? Hey, Brandon. Great to be with you. I guess I'm eating up the news and watching the World War 3 take place.

2:05That's it. That's it yesterday. Well, let me ask you. We're just going to start there because I think this is the question that everybody wants to have an answer to, which is this World War 3 or is this what the administration is saying? And it's sort of like a larger version of Operation Midnight Hammer, which was their operation last year to hit those Iranian suspected nuclear sites. I think what we're looking at today is the biggest regional war in the Middle East that we've seen. Perhaps even exceeding Iraq and Afghanistan, not in terms of scale, in terms of US military ground troops commitments, but in terms of the number of countries that have been now 11 countries, 10 in the Middle East and of course the United States that are involved in this fight and one way or another in terms of being either hit by Iranian missiles or obviously in the case of the US having their military base has been hit. So when I say it's World War 3, we're not there yet, but I think that for example, if

3:11Iraq were to hit us hard at the US homeland level with the massive cyber attack, super impressive. Sorry, Iran. Yeah, the Islamic Republic of Iran. If they were to hit us with some kind of cyber-first strike, or super-EMP, or even a nuclear-first strike from ships, they've already demonstrated the capabilities to fire nuclear capable to potentially ballistic missiles from ships, then I would consider that World War 3. Obviously anything that goes nuclear or massively cyber or super-EMP, but in terms of what I believe I think, a World War is defined by taking place on more than one continent. So I guess you could say that a little bit, Cyprus was hit, Cyprus is a new country, it's considered part of Europe. Yeah. So it was France. We have an intercontinental. Well, and actually I was going to bring this up. The reason I ask about the World War is because I think it's already reached a regional war. And now that you mentioned Cyprus, I was also very fascinated by the attack on the French

4:14facility and how the French are now moving their Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier from the Baltic Sea, where they're conducting whatever against the Russians in Ukraine. And now they're repositioning that carrier to, I think the Arabian Sea is where they're headed. I don't know, maybe it is the Mediterranean they're going to. But clearly in the Middle East is where they're putting it. To me, that indicates that this thing's gone global. I mean, am I wrong about that? Well, I think, yeah, I mostly agree with you. I think that certainly with the Houthis being involved trying to close off the choke points in terms of perhaps the Suez Canal and the Red Sea, plus the closure of the straight of war moves to all but Russian and Chinese tankers. I think those are moves that are pushing it more in a World War direction. And just a number of countries, as you mentioned, France, France may be involved. Britain claims they're sitting this one out. But let's just give it an inject here. You know, they said that, but I know for a fact that there are dozens of typhoon air

5:18airplanes manned by the British Royal Air Force that are currently or were earlier today and were filming on March 1st at 7.11 PM Eastern. They were conducting air defense missions sets, I think, over Oman. So they're already, it's very funny. It's very odd the British. I don't even understand what really they're doing because they're saying one thing, but they're definitely involved. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I mean, they've certainly opened up, I think it's France, where they're for space. Yes. Yeah. Alright, based on France, where then in the UK and then Diego Garcia, it's kind of like, you know, they're claiming that they're denying it while kind of looking the other way. If we really feel we need it, they'll probably let us do it. We don't really need it. I don't think. You know, what they we talked about before, before the show is that, well, we, you talked, you talked about air defenses. Yeah. I think the most interesting thing about this is just like the 12th, they wore Israel is afraid of sending planes and Iranian airspace.

6:20They've avoided that. They know that Iran does have some very potent Russian and Chinese air defenses. Unlike the Venezuelan mission where we kind of appeared to neutralize the limited defenses they had in Venezuela. They didn't really have any advanced systems. It was mostly manpads. Yeah. And I just want to quickly say, I don't mean to cut you off, but because we talked about this and I wasn't at the time certain what exactly. But having now looked at the Venezuela operation to me and how it went down and who took over, it really looks to me like there was a backroom deal made between Delsey Rodriguez and Trump, maybe not directly, but through intermediaries. And my personal opinion is the reason those air defense systems didn't go off and the Venezuelan sort of stood down when we came in. I don't know if it was because we had the discombobulator or if it was because there was a political agreement made before this thing happened. Most of the people that were killed in that raid were the Cuban intelligence operatives who were surrounding Maduro.

7:20I don't see something similar happening in Iran. I don't see any secret deal between Trump and whoever is now running in the command of the Iranian side. Yeah. I mean, the background story I heard for Venezuela said we did use cyber weapons to help neutralize the defense system. We also had a high-ranking kind of CIA asset that helped us neutralize them as well. And then we had the, you know, suppose a discombobulator, that's what Trump calls it, obviously. It's not named that unless he forced them into that, and obviously he's forcing a lot of things like calling our new vowel cruisers the Trump class. The Trump class. Everything, you know, the Kennedy Center, yeah, the Trump Center and every, you know, many interesting. It's closing down the Kennedy Center because nobody wants to play there. It's these remodeling. Yeah. Most likely. But, yeah, I don't think I haven't seen any evidence of major cyber operations against Iran. I would expect that they would do that unless they felt as I do that Iran has a very

8:21potent cyber offensive capability they could potentially use against us and shut down much if not all of our critical infrastructure is kind of a last resort. If they feel that, you know, their regime change is being overrun. Now, the issue is, you know, there's been this debate with the neo-conservatives supporting this Trump regime change war saying we can achieve regime change just by assassinating the committee and then, you know, bombing them. And that's going to eliminate their leadership. What I've seen so far is they just keep refilling the ranks. You know, there's a lot of, a lot of disinformation about Iran being liberated, if so, why have they bombed nine different countries since the committee was assassinated? And you bring up a good point because one of my readers pointed this out on my Twitter feed at We the Brandon because I posted about how clearly the regime is not losing. Maybe they're not winning. I don't even know what winning, I guess winning for them is just surviving. But clearly they're not losing because if they were losing, they wouldn't be popping

9:24off these missiles. They just did a hypersonic attack against Israel. That was very successful. It looks like I think it was either Tel Aviv or Jerusalem direct they hit. So this looks to me like they're still giving as, maybe not as good as they're getting, but they're certainly in the fight still, unfortunately for our guys. But the point that I'm going to make here is this reader told me, you know, I'm reminded of the early days of the Ukraine war where all these news stories came out that dozens and dozens of senior Russian military officials were killed in the fighting. And yet it didn't really seem to make a difference. The Russians were still marching on. It's as if the West has forgotten that we're dealing with the country and you're in a round of something like almost a hundred million people, they have a large military. They can just pull people up from the ranks and put them in a new slot. That's right. I mean, I read is three times bigger than Ukraine. It's like 3.7 times bigger than Iraq with 3.7 times more people than Iraq had at the time

10:25we invaded 23 years ago. And so Iran is a huge country. It's resilient. We have no ground troops. You know, the reason we wanted Iraq temporarily was because we had, I don't know, Daddy Davis is claiming up to 300,000 troops that we used to occupy Iraq. We have zero troops on Iran's border. We don't have any in Central Asia. We don't have any. Obviously in a Pakistan or Afghanistan. And we have some in Iraq, but they're not in the border. I think they're mainly in like- They're clustered in air bill or air, I can't say air bill or air bill. Which was hit. Which was hit. Yeah. Yeah. So Iran is going all out hitting our bases. The one thing they haven't done a whole lot of yet is to destroy, you know, Gulf state energy infrastructure, although they have, they started that. I think I don't know if it was- They hit a Saudi facility yesterday, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I heard from a Katari that the worst case scenario, as the worst case scenario, but if Iran really goes ham on their oil production facilities, it might take five to seven years

11:30to reconstitute those facilities in Qatar. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sit on a bird up a lot of the Bosnian oil facilities, you know, as the predecessor just taken over Iraq and invading- Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, they can- They can work everything down and hike up, you know, oil costs to an extent that Republicans will probably be wiped out in the congressional elections that lose the White House. So- Is that an act of strategy on their part because they're very savvy operators? Are they like looking at this going, okay, we got to put the squeeze on in the oil domain so that the Republicans going into the new election cycle are down and we can get rid of them and hopefully get Democrats back? Yeah. I mean, I think that's their one indirect way to take down Trump. They, you know, they obviously can't sort of assassinate and they can't take him out of the presidency. You know, that potentially could be a feature removed and I think there's, for the first time ever, I think there's actual solid case for that constitutional- I agree. Last two impeachments were complete jokes and, you know, trucked in nothing wrong.

12:33But this is crossing the line, you know, legally perhaps under the War Powers Resolution, he might have the authority constitutionally, I would say that Congress did not have the authority to, you know, do a kind of a carte blanche transfer of its warmaking powers to the President. I think specifically, they were authorized, you know, a specific action against Iran or perhaps even the region that might be constitutional. But certainly, under international law, there's, I think, three to the Rome Statute, the UN Charter, there's multiple statutes that say it's illegal. But, you know, I care a lot less about legality and I keep it from America. And I think that JD Vance is, you know, certainly he ran on that as Senator and Vice President and I think he's strongly in our camp in terms of, he obviously didn't transmit that publicly. He tried to be a loyal Vice President in public, but behind the scenes, I think he been trying to display the President from these regime change wars. And I definitely want to talk about that as you know, you and I have kind of a disagreement

13:34on that and I want to get into that very much so, but I want to stick first with as much of the military and sort of technical aspect because, you know, the media is doing it as typical as they usually do. They're doing a horrible job of explaining just what exactly we are seeing on the screen. They're focused on the big explosions and the drama of it all, but they're not talking about what's actually going on. There was a radar that was destroyed and I'm, it's an AN, I'm forget, I think it was ANYPG 59, I think it was one of our 360 degree look around radars that we had in Bahrain. To me, it looked totally obliterated. Now I was told by someone in Africa, who is definitely not a friend of mine, that I'm an idiot and though it was just a satellite uplink station that was blown to bits and the system itself is operating or is fine. Have you heard anything about that specific instance in Bahrain?

14:36Do you know what was destroyed and how might that impact our ability to defend against Iranian missile drone hypersonic swarms? I don't know specifically about what was destroyed in that instance and that attack, but in terms of what you stated earlier, you know, who's going to win this war? You know, how do you define victory? For me, victory is there's three objectives that Trump has clearly stated. He wants regime change. I mean, he has a lot of stuff to go and he's been real loose on that saying, I heard G.C. overthrows the new IOTO, then that counts as a victory, I would argue strongly against that. He might say it would though, because I think he's looking for an out. Yeah. No, he is. He's clearly looking for an out. Yeah. He realized he kicked over a hornet's nest. Yeah. He's flailing around. He doesn't know what to do. He took out the IOTO and he just automatically seemed like Hitler when he made the Soviet union that it's that Iran would collapse like acid cards and he's finding out that it's a tough nut to crack and they're not about to surrender.

15:37I mean, a lot of the folks that I've talked to you, Neocon, again, Neocon, Trump war supporters are talking about how, you know, there's a lot of reports coming out of Israel disinformation that are saying that some of the leaders are behind the scenes and back channels are trying to surrender. I mean, who do they surrender to? There's no U.S. troops. The country, they're going to be assassinated on their way out, you know, probably by. Oh, it's all lies. David, I am disgusted by the level of lying and dissimulation. And I realize in war, it's got to protect it by a bodyguard of lies, but they're lying over things that really, and I think they're lying to the President as well. I don't think President Trump has any idea about what's really going on here. That's just my take though. The National Security Hour on America out loud talk radio network on I Heart Radio is where you come to hear military and intel experts. America out loud talk radio plays on the I Heart Radio network. You can also listen on our media player from any web browser anywhere in the world.

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19:48it was obliterated in a few months ago, so somehow it magically returned because Trump used the same lie this time around as he said last time. In June, the White House was saying there were 15 days away from developing weaponizing an atomic bomb. Trump said yesterday that he attacked because Iran was now was two weeks again. Yeah. It was two weeks with these people. Yeah. It's always two weeks, the two weeks for over a decade. You and I are old enough to remember that this same line's been used by multiple presidents for the last. I actually found a New York Times essay just a real quick thing. I found a New Year. I think it was by Kristoff from 1984 saying the Islamic Republic of Iran was four months away from getting the bomb. Back in 1984. So this is going back to the 80s. This is a common theme. Yeah. So you know, I've testified in the Congress in 95. I don't know if he was prime minister yet then, but I think he was finance minister. Yeah.

20:48So he came and shut up in Congress and it was 31 years ago and he testified that Iran I think was about three months away. Yeah. They've been two weeks to three months away from it. I think they have time traveling technology in here. Yeah. So, yeah, skipping ahead to my next point, there's two, there's two possibilities with Iran. One is that the CIA is correct. US intelligence is correct and they've actually, they have suspended their nuclear program for the past 23 years, you know, 2003 is what the CIA says. The other possibility is what I believe is that they, they have nuclear weapons, but they've been a responsible nuclear power and they haven't threatened to use them or actually have intended to use them. Only as a last resort against, you know, a country like us trying to remove their regime. Either way, there's no eminent threat. You know, when Trump says two weeks away, that's that's blatantly false. There's no imminent reason for us to attack Iran, Ted Cruz, you know, Archon Yoko on, he admitted that. He's like, he's like, yeah, do I have no information that Iran is anywhere near developed, you

21:51know, developing a nuclear weapon. So that, that's not, he's also in CIA mode as well because Cruz knows. That this is politically toxic. Yeah. He's, you know, he wants it, but he has to distance one thing also. I'm just going to, I don't mean to take you off track, but you know, you say something and then I might start thinking former friend of mine, a former friend did reach out to me in the last 48 hours. I used to work with this individual in on the hill. He's now in the Senate. We, I knew him when I worked on the house, House Foreign Affairs Committee and whatnot. And he's a Democrat. And he tells me that Trump is effed because we know for a fact Rubio withheld critical intelligence in the last meeting with the gang of eight that it was a manipulation. And so now we're talking about real world political implications beyond just elections. This could really have a stultifying effect on whatever remains of the checks and balances

22:57of our constitution. And I don't know how you feel about that, but you know, I just wanted to put that out there that, and I could totally believe, by the way, that Rubio lied because this is clearly part of a larger agenda and they wanted it no matter what, because this timing makes no sense other than just somebody's bullshit political agenda in DC. So the theory that I have and I think it's likely true is that, that the I told committee was, there was kind of a ruse going on. So that you might have, I'm sure you're aware that on Friday, we heard reports that I ran it essentially mostly capitulated to U.S. demands. Unenrichment. There's a deal. Yeah. Not on the ballistic missiles. It was on an arrangement. Yeah. That was what the U.S. said that mattered the most to Trump administration told it mattered the most then. And so they basically said, well, permanently suspended program will ship all of our highly rich for uranium to Russia. So we'll have zero and we'll have unlimited IA inspectors to verify that our nuclear

24:00program suspended. And there was reports that the Trump was seriously considering that. And so committee, of course, it's a religious holiday Ramadan that the highest, or the biggest religious holiday for Muslims and of course for, you know, she had Muslims and he's the, you know, really the highest ranking or the most senior leader of that faith that sect, he decided to come out of his bunker, you know, thinking that a deal is about to be signed and then we took him out. So I think that was deliberate. I think that that was kind of, we didn't know how to get him out of his bunker. And I think Trump may have indicated, you know, the White House might have sent, you know, through obviously Whitcock or someone else kind of suggested the Iranian leadership that we think the deal is good and we're going to seriously consider it and maybe sign it and white things down and that's what they took him out. And I just, and I know I've said this to you on Twitter, but I just want for the audience to understand who people may not be as familiar as I am or you are.

25:03But one of the things we always held against the Empire of Japan and going into World War II was the fact that the Japanese pretended to negotiate a possible peace deal with the United States while they were basically planning to do the Pearl Harbor strikes and it was actually the peace talks were actually aroused by the Japanese. And Stimpson and all the FDR guys after the war began and we got involved, they always said one of the reasons why we're the good guys is because the United States would never use real negotiations as a ruse to just buy time for a surprise attack on an enemy no matter how terrible that enemy may be, but we just did that. We just did what the Japanese did to, we've done it twice, we've done it twice against Venezuela, obviously against Maduro and abducting him and his wife as well, you know, while

26:07negotiations were on the table, a very, very sweetheart deal on the part, you know, that was offered to the United States and then, of course, in this case, we had a six, interestingly, a six round of talks, maybe it was the third round of talks, but it was last time around in June, it was the six round that was scheduled and we preempted it with the Midnight Hammer and now with Epic Fury, I think it was kind of the same situation where, you know, the talks were scheduled about three, I think it was two days, actually, I think the talk was supposed to, so they were supposed to resume March 1st, yeah, March 1st. So Friday, they went thinking, okay, we're good and the promise was we're going to reopen March 1, which would have been tomorrow, Monday. So and, you know, we're clearly now in a phase two, two and a half almost of this conflict now, phase one was the initial opening strikes. It's interesting to me because I know the F-22s were used in a suppression of enemy air

27:13defenses mission set, but I can't figure out what aircraft other than that, we deployed, either from the carriers or from the air bases into Iran and the reason I say this is because I've now over 24 hours been really analyzing what I could find in publicly available data sets, it looks a lot like to me two things that we used primarily standoff weapons to hit those targets and it looks a lot like the requirement for this mission set was that Israel had to go first and it looks a lot like it was Israel that was initiating the strikes using these mostly standoff weapons. Do you know anything about this and can you just briefly explain if you do why this is an important thing to point out, why would we care if they used bond visual range weapons

28:17rather than just sort of conventionally going in and bombing the hell out of them? Yeah, the good, everything you said is absolutely correct. We've you, there I have no evidence that or no information that would suggest that the U.S. or Israel has risk and if it's aircraft and Iranian airspace, which was interesting because last time around, of course, we did, you know, we did use B2s and perhaps escorting up 35s or up 22s, but there was kind of a deal, you know, the deal was we gave them 48 hours to withdraw their nuclear scientists and H, you know, highly enriched uranium, maybe even some centrifuges and it would be more of a symbolic strike. We would take out their facilities, we would try to take out their facilities and they could attack our base at Qatar, which had been evacuated. And there was some super damage to that, to the living quarters there on base. But in this case, this is a no-holds bar of regional war. So it automatically escalated, I ran and escalated up the chain, hitting multiple countries, you know, I think, by my can, I think eight or nine countries within, you know, 30 hours

29:22of the onset of major combat operations. And in terms of, you know, I think obviously the reason that they haven't, we haven't risked aircraft above Iran is they now have advanced 6G Chinese radars, which I think are more advanced than anything we have in terms of being able to detect stealth aircraft from a distance. Well, in terms of aircraft, it's 700 kilometer distance, we don't know what it is for stealth aircraft, but it's likely pretty, you know, probably measured in the hundreds of kilometers. And they could potentially take the inner B2s, inner B2s, as you might remember, the cost about, when they were built, they cost about two-thirds of an aircraft carrier price. So back then, back when aircraft carriers were cheap at three billion, they cost two billion a pop. So we have 19 of those, those were nuclear bombers. We do have B52s, obviously as well, that performed that role. I think a total of about 60, so about 40, I think 40 B52s and about 19 B2s, but just

30:24imagine if, you know, we set seven B2s and they got mostly shot down, what a blow to our prestige that would be. So the reason we're using the standoff missiles is because we have, I think we have reason to believe that we could lose a lot of aircraft if we were to go in and do missions over Iran like we did over Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom. And I think, and this is exactly right, this was why I wanted to point it out because I've been on a lot of shows in the last 24 hours where I'm paired with a military guy or former military guy, I should say, US military. And they're sitting there saying we're defanging, we're defanging the air defense systems, we're doing it methodically, we're going down the line, it looks really good. And admittedly on paper, it does look like we are degrading their capabilities. How successful has that mission set really been because according to those guys and according to the Trump administration, we just have total dominance.

31:26I was on with another, another well known person on ban and show this morning and this individual reported and it looks like it's been confirmed by the administration, take from that what you will, since they're lying about everything about this war, but apparently there was a B2 strike last night targeting some Iranian, I don't remember if it was Fordo or Bashir or one of these other ones, but they did target one of the nuclear suspected nuclear. Yeah. Yeah. And according to the administration, it went just like Operation Midnight Hammer. So are we to make out of this that we've managed to suppress these right new radars that Iran has or what do you think is really going on here? Yeah, again, I don't have all the information in terms of the degree to success that we've had in terms of suppressing enemy air defenses. I do think it's been significant, but obviously not that great because B52 is obviously flight

32:27of a re-high altitude. So I think they're perhaps easier to defend. And I just don't know what other aircraft we've flown over it. So that may be the plan is to take out the radars and their air defenses with standoff weapons. I think that's possible. I don't know. Obviously, we have a very limited stockpile in terms of munitions, offensive missiles, and especially missile defense interceptors. I think that in terms of our ships, we have US Navy ships. There's, I think there's, obviously, the USS Abraham Lincoln, 15 destroyers, each of those destroyers. I heard Larry Johnson say that in kind of a mixed magazine of Fence, Tomahawks and SM3s and 6s, they might have at maximum 50 each. So what I've been saying is if Iran was serious about taking out the carrier, they would simply send a bunch of slow, kind of their lower attack, slower moving cruise missiles and maybe

33:29some ballistic missiles to mainly cruise missiles because, obviously, they'll end drones to try to attack the carrier strike group and destroyers. And then once our kind of a watt had been used up in terms of missile interceptors, they could use the hypersonics, their hypersonic anti-shed missiles, of which they have quite a lot to strike the carrier and try to sink it. I'm not confident they would sink it, but I'm very confident that they could hit it they want to. And they've demonstrated, I think, the accuracy to do so. And it's interesting because this morning, there's some really bad news coming out of the region for the United States in the sense that we lost three service members. St. Com has confirmed that had to be dragged out of them. And five additional service members were severely injured in Bahrain, I believe, is where it took, I know it was in the Middle East, but I thought they said it was in Bahrain. Apparently, though, paired with that, there was a report. And the Navy has confirmed, or St. Com rather, has confirmed that the event happened, but

34:32they're claiming it never came within any approximation of the carrier. Four ballistic missiles were fired immediately after Kamani's death was confirmed by Iran at the carrier. But that doesn't sound like a lot. When I'm thinking they're going to swarm the carrier, I'm thinking hundreds of these things. Did a symbolic attack or was there, what do you think, what do you think was going on there? Yeah, I think that was a warning shot. I think it was a symbolic attack. You know, during the first, the 12-day war Iran was very much into symbolic attacks. They attempted to de-escalate successfully many times. They made it clear that they, you know, for whatever in terms of, you know, them being a brutal Islamist regime with that support, so through, you know, through proxy terrorist groups. They've been clear since they took power. They don't want war, a direct war with the US or Israel. Obviously, they understand that we overpower them in terms of nuclear weapons, even if they have a monastic war ourselves, I suspect they do.

35:33They, you know, obviously, they can't go toe-to-toe with us in that regard. But in terms of, you know, conventional war, they're demonstrating, and just finishing my point. So there's the regime change. Trump wants to do. It's neutralizing the nuclear program, and there's taken out their long-range, you know, missiles that can strike Israel. Mainly, their production centers as well as their missile launchers. I think, I don't think any of those objectives are achievable. And so by any, in terms of, you know, when you sit out to do a war, you do so with certain missions that you want to achieve, and then once those missions are accomplished, you get out in the carrier. You have to say, apparently, Trump may do, and pro-play mission accomplished, whether it's Trump or not. The National Security Hour on America Out Loud Talk Radio Network on I Heart Radio is where you come to hear military and intel experts like me. America Out Loud Talk Radio plays on the I Heart Radio Network. You can also listen on our media player from any web browser anywhere in the world. We have the best in-class apps available on Apple, Android, and Alexa, where we stream

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39:49States of America. I'm Brandon Wiker, your host of action. You can catch me right here every Wednesday night at 8 p.m. Eastern, and you can follow me at WeTheBrandon on Twitter X. We begin our final segment. Regardless of whatever operational or tactical successes we may have in terms of degrading Iran's military capabilities, I think in the end all they have to do is wait us out essentially. I think we have about eight days worth of offensive missiles and missile interceptors, and then after that, we're going to draw down from our Pacific Plate Stocks, which will greatly undermine our capability to deter Chinese aggression. If this war goes past eight days or into two weeks plus, I think the chances of China invading or blockading Taiwan without US opposition go skyrocket upward. I think that would be a tremendous defeat for the United States. Do you think this is why China and Russia haven't said anything because they're just counting

40:52down the days until they know we're running on empty? I think that's part of it. Yeah, I think China, certainly they don't like us trying to interdict their well supply, but I think they see the big picture. The big picture is we are getting dangerously low with all of the stupid wars that Trump had Biden fought, regime change wars, the war against the Houthi, which we lost essentially lost the war against Iran that was, I guess, a one-day war from our perspective, a 12-day war from the Israeli perspective, in that none of those sites were obliterated, while their nuclear production may have been in terms of enrichment, I think that we significantly reduced that, but they already have enough highly enriched uranium to build at least 15 or up to 15 atomic bombs. We actually take out the HEU, and this is not just their scientists, it's what they have right now. If they wanted to within a couple months, if they don't have them already, they could

41:53probably build 12 to 15 atomic bombs. Called surge capacity for those exactly. Now those above, on top of their hypersonic missiles, and then suddenly Tel Aviv and West Jerusalem could get digressed. Yeah, no, I think that's pretty accurate, and that's pretty much where I'm thinking as well. As a side note, I got into a debate with a former Navy aircraft carrier captain who's retired now, and he really doesn't like me, made that very clear. But he was saying, we've got to go in now because we've got to stop them from getting nukes. I said, do they have nukes now? And he said, in two weeks, and I said, I said, but you can't use that as a cast's belly. Like if they don't have nukes, you really can't do that. You can, I guess, but if you're looking at it from a legal perspective, you're really

42:55not supposed to do that. Second of all, if they do have nukes, they've probably had them for decades, some capacity, and they've never used it. So logically speaking, they're not these crazy, unhinged people. You could probably get a deal with them. And either way you look at it, the Trump administration is not in a good spot here because either what they did was illegal, or they're going after a regime that probably we could have gotten a decent deal out of for nothing really. I mean, none of this heartache, so it's just, I just was marveling at this, thinking about it, and you bring up the fact that you think they have surge capacity. And I've always said that. And so that's why I'm like, well, maybe they do have nukes, but I don't want them to have nukes. But if they've had nukes, they've had them for a while, and they haven't used them.

43:56Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying all along is that they're a rational actor. We present them as a rogue state, but who are the countries that are bombing the United States as well? The United States is really the chief offender, and we're the second chief offender. So do I think that we should bomb countries in certain instances that are when it's under interest? Yeah, probably. Do I think we should start fights with potentially nuclear powers, or countries that are great powers that can take us down with the cyber attack? I think that's extremely dangerous. I think it's very reckless, and it's the exact opposite of America first. We heard President Trump go out. I think it was this morning or yesterday claiming that this war is America first. Well, right. Yeah, the idea is that the American public, they're okay with one day wars, right? But there was a poll that came out. I think it was Kurt Mills or someone like that from your conservative that said, well,

44:57he posted it. It was 25% of the American people's support. One out of four. The action after the case. I mean, after your Bush invaded Iraq, I think it was 70, 80%. 72% after months and months of Bush, you know, catawalling in the public, you know, like I said, you know, Bush at least had the courtesy to lie to me about why we needed to go into Iraq. That engineered consent, Trump didn't even bother to engineer consent. He just didn't care. Well, in Bush, you know, for to his credit, and I've always, but I was actually fired from the Army headquarters staff for writing articles in opposition to Bush's land to invade Iraq. And that was, I was out of uniform already. So it wasn't like I was, you know, doing stuff in the legal world. But, you know, I think it's, it's, you know, at least he got congressional approval. And that's what's required of the Constitution. It doesn't have to say where it should work. It just has to say we vote as a majority of the people's representors to support this

45:59military action. And so Bush acted constitutionally. It was a legal option or an international law. And it was an uprooted act of aggression to invaded country that was, whose leader was trying to get be a US proxy again, you know, Saddam Hussein, what realizes Saddam Hussein was trying to kiss her butt, right? And he got rid of all of his chemical weapons and he said, Hey, I'll be your dog. I'll be your dog. I will start, you know, fight another war against Iran for you. You just need to give me the weapons and I'll provide the men and we'll fight this war against Iranian territory. You know, at the time, I was saying, bomb my ran. Don't invade Iraq. I was pulling, I was saying we need to bomb Iran, bomb the crap out of them because they're on the verge of nuclear weapon, it's a threshold. And at the time, we could have done it with very low risk of the, you know, there was no. There's a lot of things we could have done in 2002 and 2003 that would have made a lot more sense than what we ended up doing. Absolutely. And you got to wonder, Cuibo, no, on that one because that's the only, you know, those

47:02special interests that benefited from the, from that particular war is the only reason we went in the way we did and how we did it. Because there was nothing about the national interest in that 2003 war. I would argue though, again, there's, there's not much in the national interest here. Um, I do, and we are going to get to the political side, but I really want to knock out a couple of other things here real quick. Um, the Iranians need allies, but, and I know this is just because of how we've structured our bases in the region. In order to target U.S. facilities, the Iranians have had to attack their, their neighbors. How likely is it given all the damage that's now been done particularly to poor Bahrain? I mean, Bahrain has just been trashed. Um, how likely is it that these neighbors are going to continue to try to rein in the U.S. Israeli alliance? Or are they now going to switch and be like, you know what?

48:04Because Saudi Arabia, you know, they did their two-step, they always do, right? Publicly, or against it, we're not for it, privately though, apparently the deciding factor, the deciding factor, uh, from when the first strikes went forward, was when Mohammed bin Salman, late at night, called Trump and said, if you're going to do it, just get it over, let's, let's do it. So how likely is it that these Iranian attacks on Arab states are going to push the Arabs completely into the U.S.-Israeli camp beyond what they already are? I think it's, I don't think it's very likely. I think in the case of Saudi Arabia, I mean, they're, they're a big country. They have, you know, by some accounts, they're a nuclear power, I don't believe that. But I've heard that, uh, certainly they, they would at, they are, are kind of a threshold power that they wanted to within a year, they probably could, you know, weaponize a couple atomic bombs, but, uh, you know, that, regardless, um, I think with the smaller countries, like, waiting by a Bahrain and Qatar, I think those countries are really wishing that

49:06we hadn't attacked Iran because they're, they're on the border essentially, you know, right on the border, uh, next Iran and Iran's a big power and they have lots of weapons, they have thousands more missiles than we believe they have, uh, perhaps, I mean, running it over 10,000, uh, by some accounts. And so, uh, you know, they don't really have an interest in having their oil facilities blown up or having Gulf track it, traffic, uh, out of the, the, uh, you know, straight and more moves being blockaded and we're, you know, interdicted by Iran and Canadian missiles or any in ships or mines. So I think that they're, they're, they're really kind of wanting to get out of this, you know, so I think they were going to be Qatar, especially the Qatar has more influence than the other countries because they're rich and they, you know, probably have a lot of friendships in the administration. Yeah, they gave me four million dollar, of course, lawyer craft or whatever, how many, that will be painted the way he wants it painted. Yes. Well, that one, uh, but in terms of Saudi Arabia, I think they can kind of go either way.

50:08Obviously, they've had this rivalry with Iran, but they kind of hate Israel too. Uh, they were all ready to sign, uh, you know, kind of a strategic partnership agreement with what I call kind of a little Middle Eastern and then the, um, uh, Iran, of course, Greenlight at the Hamas terror attacks that killed around 650, uh, Israeli civilians and then Israel overreacted by conducting this, yeah, basically leveling Gaza to the ground, uh, kind of dress and then or, you know, he regime a style is actually with weapons and 90% two percent of their houses were destroyed and 58,000 civilians were mass murdered and the terror bombings. Um, so, yeah, I'm kind of uncertain about that, but obviously, you know, attacking British and French facilities, I don't really see, I think that's counterproductive because they're like bigger powers, even though they're second rate powers by our standards, um, you don't want to get like a whole Western European coalition. That's what I'm getting at because it does look like that was a huge misstep and, you know, I don't know if you agree with me, but I, as of now, I'm saying that regime has

51:11a 50, 50 chance now, uh, of making it, you know, it could go either way because of, because of how many players they're now putting on the board against them, sort of like a numbers game. Um, okay, so then there's that and then before we shift to the politics, I'm watching these videos notably out of Israel and, uh, it looks like hypersonics have finally been used at least in a limited fashion by Iran. It's also looking like the strikes in Jerusalem, um, the, the, the AD systems, the air defense systems are not lighting up like you would think they would be. They are, they are shooting up at these incoming swarms, but it's after two or three have gotten and landed and destroyed whatever they were targeting. And then you see one or two of these interceptors launching, but there's like 20, uh, you know, Iranian missiles in the air. So there's no way two interceptors are going to take out all those things. Is there something going on with Israeli AD systems?

52:16Are they depleting faster than we're being led to believe? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the 12th day war, I think that ceasefire was was mainly Netanyahu initiative. I think, uh, you know, my brain was, uh, finally to cost, starting to cost a major damage, mainly to military facilities, uh, but also critical infrastructure. And so, uh, and they were, you know, having their missile defense interceptors, uh, seriously depleted. So, you know, Netanyahu knew they were going to write out and I think it's, you know, succeeded in, um, kind of building those up a little bit, not that much. So I don't think Israel really has the level. I mean, during the 12th day war, I think they had a pretty good stockpile of air defense, most interceptors, but, you know, the US is the one that produces a lot of those air defense interceptors like Patriots and, uh, that's obviously, I don't think Israel has that batteries, but we deployed, uh, one of our very, in the Arab states that they've got the fads. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's, there's other obviously the, uh, uh, Arab states that cooperate like Jordan and during the 12th day war, they were much more cooperative, I think, uh, than

53:20they are, are this time around, uh, but in terms of Jerusalem, I always kind of had the opinion that Iran would not prioritize Jerusalem because, obviously, East Jerusalem is, uh, is Arab and Palestinian, uh, you know, when they're, uh, Israel has never made them citizens, they've refused to allow the East, uh, Palestine, East Jerusalem, Arabs to assimilate, um, but, uh, obviously, uh, Iranian missiles are much more accurate, uh, accurate. So, uh, so they certainly, uh, can take out West, uh, West Jerusalem, which is, uh, primarily Jewish. Um, and so I, but I think what I'm trying to say is I think it's really as prioritized Tel Aviv above Jerusalem because they have, yeah, they didn't make that Jerusalem would be the main target because I think most of the government buildings are still in Tel Aviv. Yeah. And so, uh, so they've, they've really kind of like the Russians with their defenses around Moscow is most of their anti ballistic missile defenses are in the Moscow region. Okay. Not most, but a kind of poor, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Cause I'm watching these videos and I'm like, we're only into almost 96 hours.

54:22Is this, how many days has it been three days now? No, a day and a half. It's only been a day and a half. It feels like we've been doing this for three days. Yeah. It's been, uh, okay. So let's just say 48 hours. So we've got six days before allegedly the US stockpiles are basically depleted. Can the Iranians, can the, yeah, can the Iranians hold out that long? Do you think? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, this, I think about how long, uh, I've got, you know, Afghanistan make the Taliban held out. I mean, and we, we had, we had troops in, you know, in country and we were holding bases and, and they fought an insurgent war in the case of Iran, there's no, there's no groups. There's no insurgent army. You know, it's not, it's not like Afghanistan where we have the Northern Alliance coming in. Right. It's not even like Libya. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even like, uh, it's not even like Libya. Yeah. We barely have, it's in the air. Yeah. Yeah. Iranian airspace. So this is far from over. I mean, they're, they're really tough not to crack.

55:23They have so many different weapons. Obviously not as many as Russia or China, but, you know, it was just today. I think there was an IRGC general that said that was threatening that Iran has super weapons that we've never seen before. But is that bluster or is that real? Well, I think they do. I think they, they, I think they could have nuclear hypersonics. They could have, they most likely do have super EP satellites over the U.S. Yeah. I believe that too. And a lot of our critical infrastructure. I don't think, um, obviously wasn't, he was talking about cyber weapons, although that's kind of the, you know, that's kind of a weapon that, uh, they could win, win, defeat the U.S. in a day. Obviously, I think we would retaliate kind of be mutual, a certain situation, which is why they haven't used to yet, uh, but they have, they have options. And there are, there are much more cataclysmic from the U.S. national security, uh, perspective than, than we get in the credit for. And it does seem like the Iranian response every iteration this time is getting more and more expansive.

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