The Trashy Tragic Murders - Victor, West Virginia

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3:03Not for you guys. No, no, for you, it's not enough. We also give you all our shows, crime in sports, your stupid opinions and small town murder both episodes. All add free with your Patreon, add free and you get a shout out at the end of the regular show. So you can't beat it. That said, I think it's time. Everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Clear the lungs. Arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shout out back. Give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. We are going to West Virginia. Uh-huh. Oh, baby, we're going to Victor West Virginia, which I take us home. I'm sure you've never heard of. I don't even think John Denver knew about this fucking place. It was back there. It had been like, it country roads are one thing, but when you get back in the hall, or it gets kind of hairy. So I don't, you know, those are bumpy. Those are by like country roads that connect to another road, not just die in a mountain somewhere. So no, uh, Victor West Virginia, it's kind of South Central kind of West Virginia,

4:07just in the middle of nowhere. Uh, it's about two hours and 20 minutes to Morgan town, West Virginia, North, about four hours to Lexington, the other direction to Kentucky. Uh, about 40 minutes to netty West Virginia, which is our last West Virginia episode, episode 685, the secrets of murder pond, which I remember that's West Virginia never lets us down. This is in Fayette County, area codes 304 and 681, which is strange because it's a very small place. The population here now, this isn't in the town proper. The town proper is nowhere near this many people. This is the entire zip code, which is all I could find stats for. Uh, zip code 25938 has 1,328 people in it. Wow. Very small. Median household income here, well below the national average, 41,319. Not great. Yeah. Oh, yeah, median home cost here, also much lower than the national average, 181,600

5:07bucks. Okay. So it's like you live in 2003, essentially, if you work a few there. Not good. No, it's not great. But a little bit of history here. Now, because these places, you're like, how the hell do people decide to live in the middle of nowhere? Apparently the Chesapeake and Ohio railroad came through the gorge in 1873 and unlocked the new river coal field. So that's why now Fayette was briefly this county became West Virginia's leading coal producing county in a state where that's literally all they have. That would do. Yeah. And they had a huge disaster there in 19, between 1930 and 1935. It's called the Hawks Nest Tunnel Disaster. Weird. Okay. Apparently here, this is a Union Carbide drove a three mile diversion tunnel through high silica sandstone for a hydroelectric project feeding a metals plant.

6:09Okay. So workers, most of them were recently arrived, black workers from the south that came up for this particular job, hired during the depression too. So I mean, during the depression, you'll do anything and go anywhere for any work. They had them drill in blast. There was no respiratory protection despite silica being the thing you're drilling through. So acute silicoces killed hundreds very quickly. Silicoces. Silicoces. We read big articles in the newspaper about this and what happened like years later estimates range from 476 to 764 deaths based on this. Who even heard of silicoces? Who heard of inhaling that much silica? You know, I mean, that's, I wouldn't even think that was a thing that could happen. Why would you do that? Bodies were basically buried hastily or just shipped away. They company minimized it. You know, what all the companies did back then. What the fuck happens when you get silicoces?

7:10Apparently you drop dead pretty quick. I don't know. I mean, that's the shit that sucks moisture out of your shoes when you have a bad. Imagine that in your lungs. Yeah. The thing that says do not eat, do not eat all over it. Imagine it doesn't say anything about crushing it up and blowing a line of it though, right? I don't think that'd be good for you. Probably not. I think so. They also called it tunnelitis. This whole thing. They call it what? Tunnelitis was the, what they called it. Both of those. Yeah. Gross. Things to do. Bridge day. Oh, yeah. It's bridge day, everybody. Fuck that day. Yeah. The new river Gorge Bridge is easily accessible for major interstates. It's, this is how they advertise to come here. It's within a day's drive for two thirds of the American population. Basically if you leave east of the Mississippi, it's within a day's drive. So you should come here. You could spend 20 hours in a car to come to bridge day. There's some races, shuttles into the Gorge bus rides.

8:14Nothing is going on until three o'clock when there's a bridge day chilly cookoff. Fucking a. Okay. And downtown Fayette'sville. Fayetteville. Sorry. Then bridge day ends at three o'clock when the, and then at five o'clock, route 19 reopens. Oh. They got to close the whole road. You can't get through the bridge for this. Now there are rules are no dogs, no coolers, no folding chairs, no bicycle skates, skateboards, wagons, weapons, fireworks, illegal drugs, or alcoholic beverages. No booze at bridge day. Okay. There'll be no fun here. There's also the Appalachian String Band music festival. Just String Band in it up and happy that's a bridge. It's because it got you somewhere, right? That's what the celebration of the bridge is. I suppose they're so frightening. You could take thing with commerce. I don't know. Yeah, you hate bridges, I know. The String Band music festival, five day mountain top gathering of musicians and friends with contest concerts, workshops, square dances, camping.

9:17Wow. They attract more than 3,000, presented an audience award in the 3,000 musicians and String Band lovers of all ages. We have banjo contests of different ages. There's the youth, old time banjo contest, the senior old time banjo contest, which I feel like they would have an obvious advantage. Older old ones. Yeah. Then there's an open old time banjo contest. Then there's a fiddle contest. They differentiate between banjos and fiddles, which I know there are different things. One's got a bow and one doesn't, but still, you know, that's just funny. What one's listenable, the other's not. The other is horrifying. The other is something that Steve Martin has chose to take his career in a direction of some reason. What the fuck Steve? There's also gentle yoga, which is the, I didn't, you don't expect that at a mountain top String Band festival. Is there aggressive yoga? I think so. I'm like, come on, let's go bend you fucking pussies. Get your pussy over your head, bitch, let's go.

10:21It's aggressive yoga. Okay, smart. You look aggressive slurps. Yeah, absolutely. There's a flat foot dance workshop, a lumberjack's jam with Bruce Ziff. Oh, yeah. Your guess is as good as mine. Fiddle finals and then square dance with callers, El Kelly and H Johnson. You know, they got to tell you how to dance because you don't know how. Is that as a big of a deal as like an auctioneer? Is it? I think, I don't think you have to talk as fast, but you have to have a dance. You could make people do any old dumb shit though, which is the fun part of total control over them. That would be fun. Square dance collar is the guy that can occupy the entire time like a, like an auctioneer, right? I would assume so. And then finally, the concert from China to Appalachia. Uh-huh. That's the concert. That's it. It's China to Appalachia. I don't know anything about it or why it's there or what the bucks going on, but that's I doubt they have anybody from China. There's also the neck of the square dance that they have the one after that.

11:22Well, Anita Fireball and the cliff top drifters are going to be the band that you're dancing to. That said, let's talk about some murder. What do you say here? Let's get in. This place has nothing happening. I think we've set the scene, right? You know where we're at. This is sad. Wow. Um, okay. Let's go to Sunday night, November 6, 2016. So 10 years ago. Pretty, pretty new here. Now, Willis Branch Road, okay? This runs off into the hills near Victor. Victor's here and then it has a road that goes out. That's Willis Branch that goes up into the holler here. And then there are, and that's a small road. And then there are several like even tinier roads that kind of go out into the holler too that are just even more backwards. Like, this is a wild place. This is like, it's the middle of nowhere. So this goes off into the hills here. This is kind of a narrow hollow.

12:24Everybody knows everybody in this type of place. I mean, this is, imagine a street where there's no other streets. It's just you. So they all know each other. This is like Groundhog for breakfast in the same kind of area here. This night on November 16 or 6, 2016, on the Sunday night, a house is on fire up the holler here on Willis Branch Road. Fire crews come, take some minute to get out here. A little bit. Yeah. Takes a minute for it to be reported too. So fire crews come down, they get the flames down, they, you know, get it all out, and they come inside and they find two bodies in the wreckage. Obviously you're hoping it's an unoccupied structure, but they find, no, they find the bodies of a man and a woman, both adults here. And so they're like, holy shit, this is terrible. They might probably, awful. They might have been sleeping. That's just, you know, smoke inhalation and then you burn, burn them up. Yeah, and it happens. It's an old, these are not like up to code.

13:24Yeah. These are holler houses up in the middle of nowhere. So I mean, these are a lot of older houses and this is a particularly older house, electrical not up stuff. Good fire. No, fire. Good warming fire. Yep. Get your house on fire. On a cold night, could a space heater go in? Who knows? You know what I mean? Anyway, a corporal J.S. Siner investigated this structure. The address, I guess I can give it now because no one's driving up here. 2730 Willis Branch Road is the address of the fire here. And if you look up, just do a Google search, you will see, it'll give you a general, like, here's the road and you'll see how in the middle of nowhere it is. So they find these, this man and this woman that are at this point, two, it's just skeletal remains. They have been, I mean, the fire has taken them. The flesh has been burned. It was a rager of a fire. Absolutely. And so they figure out the skeletal remains based on process of elimination of who lives

14:25there. And that is a man and a woman. So it makes sense. So we figure out who it is and it is a boyfriend, girlfriend couple. Steven Lee Skags. Yeah. SKA GGS, like, bugs. I'm sure. Absolutely. Yeah, they sing. They do a duet of leado together. It's fucking excellent. I should say it. They do it at the string band festival. Leado. I'm going to not much that I can sing. I'm going to copy right in. That's fine. It's a terrible song anyway. That would be the shame to get something pulled down for singing something so awful would be a, that would be terrible. This is where we're singing something cool. It'd be like, oh, come on. We're complimenting it. But this is like, you got taken down for singing leado. Why would you do that? You got coffee right at first. Something awful. God damn it. Fucking for lead. You couldn't not sing leado. Idiots. What is wrong with you? Jesus. So Steven Lee Skags.

15:26He's born August 26, 1986. So I'm, it's 30 at this point. Yeah. He's born from Beckley West Virginia, which we've covered before. His parents are Steven and Carrie. Now his parents got divorced at some point and he grew up with a stepdad as well. He has brothers. Okay. Now Steven is named after his father, not first on middle, just first. So that's Steven. The other two brothers are named Sawyer and DeAngelo, which is strange. No shit. A very white family in the middle of nowhere. It makes no sense. Big fans, Jen. DeAngelo. Yeah. I'm like, what the hell? This is the stricter. DeAngelo Skags. DeAngelo, which sounds like a defensive lineman. Yeah. Like, oh, the, you know, holy shit. The Broncos drafted DeAngelo Skags. He's going to fucking be after quarterbacks this year. I wonder if that's DeAngelo's last name though. It is. He's known as the real guy. Oh, yeah. I think it is Skags. He's also related to boss.

16:27Yeah. You wouldn't think by looking at them, but really it is. DeAngelo actually wrote Lido. He was a very small child. So now Steven was into wood stuff. Four wheelers and camping and hunting and outdoor shit. That's why he lives up a holler in the middle of the woods. He goes to the Baptist church locally for a job, by the way. Up here, there's not a lot of corporate white collar work up here. No. He's a logger, which is in 2016. Yeah, dude. That's a, wow. First of all, you go holy shit. We still have people taking logs down by hand. Yes. And second, it's fucking dangerous. That is a, you bet. Yeah. Dangerous job. I mean, everything in West Virginia job wise will kill you. I mean, it's just the way it is. Yeah. But that's particularly dangerous. Yeah, there's reasons that we have. Plenty of entire groups of people that are built on just making sure you don't kill yourself at work.

17:29Yeah, yeah. Well, for, yeah, that's what they're there for. Because a lot of people got killed at work. Yeah. The reason why they exist. Because way too many got killed at work. Yeah. Yeah. Without that, you end up, they tell you to go into a fucking hole in a mountain and don't tell you it's all silica. That's what happens. So 2003, Steven's dad dies. Oh, no. So yeah, a little bit after that, his mother lives down in Atlanta with his stepfather and Wilbert is a stepfather, by the way. With a tea? Wilbert. Yeah, not Wilbert. Wilbert. Wow. And his brother, Sawyer's living in Beckley, where they're from in D'Angelo lives down in Atlanta. You know, because he's got to, he's got to make a hit down there. Yeah, he's got, that's where all the R&B is done. It really is. Yeah. Was the last time that mother fuckers been mentioned, he should be thrilled about this. Yeah. Chermaine Dupri is down there to produce him. It's a very sad. He should be thrilled. Hey, D'Angelo, we should sing a song of yours.

18:30But again, congratulations on still being alive. I hope. You guys think? Fuck knows. Who knows? And God knows what's, he's been accused of or anything else. Yeah. We don't know. If not, we apologize, D'Angelo. And we hope that you're doing well. Especially if you're not cause being women out there. Yeah. We apologize a lot for that. So 2012-ish, he gets a girlfriend, Steven does. He hooks up with Stephanie Ann Wilburn. At this point, Stephanie Ann waters from an ex-marriage, but she's born Stephanie Ann Wilburn. So Stephanie Waters is what she goes by here. Steven is dating a woman. Stephanie and Steven. Luckily he's a V, Steven. She's a, so that at least. No, I'm worried. What I'm angry about is that her last name is Wilburn. Wilburn. Yeah. That's fucked up. Why is that fucked up? Is she not the one that burned? Oh, Wilburn. Yeah. That is horrendous.

19:31Yeah, it is. I don't know why that did not click in my head at all. That is the worst. Well, I think because the whole, this is like one of the first times I read it as Wilburn. I've been, in my mind, she's Stephanie Waters the whole time. That is absolutely, you're 100% right. Yeah, you're a thousand percent right. Absolutely. The Kennedy's should change their last name to Will Crab. Will, well, will die young. Yeah. Crash. I mean, it's only one that crashed. Will die tragic. Yeah, will die tragic. November 23rd, 1985 is when she's born. When speaking of the Kennedy's, wasn't it November 22nd when Kennedy got shot? So there he is. I think that's true. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's been around for years earlier, but 23 years earlier. So she's born in Charlotte. Her parents are Anna and Stephen. And she has a brother named Stephen. And now she's dating a Stephen. So her dad, brother and boyfriend are all named Stephen. And that's his dad. That's confusing at all. Name a Stephen. And his dad's name is Stephen as well.

20:31Well, he's dead. So his dad's dead. So we've flushed out one Stephen anyway. A lot of creativity around here. Not a lot. Now she has some tragedy in her life, Stephanie. And that might explain how she ends up in the hall or doing some things that she's doing. Because apparently she has, and she's not 85, she's only 31 years old. Young women. At some point, she has a young daughter that dies. I can't figure out. I can't find out how or anything else, but she had a daughter. Don't need to give her name, obviously. But she has a daughter who dies. So she has had 30 years old. She's had a dead kid already, which outside of the 1800s, that doesn't happen very often. And she also has two sons who don't die. So that's good. Who didn't die. Now, the only doing some background on her, I found a LinkedIn that I don't know if this belong to her because LinkedIn will leave people up forever, no matter what, even if they could dead for 10 years. I found Stephanie Waters from a town she lived in in West Virginia.

21:33And it says her company is misceptic. So she might be misceptic. I'm not sure. She could possibly be misceptic. If not, everybody should give misceptic a call and have them check out your tank. So gal that unspeciting. Yeah. Misceptic. Yeah. Not misceptic or misceptic. Misceptic. I'm married to Mr. Saptic. We have a very nice relationship. Now, so now we know who burned back to the fire. This is November 6, 2016. And again, the police arrived and with the assistance of fire marshals and everything else, they're able to determine once they get it out at first, they find the bodies and they think this is tragedy, then they investigate and realize that an accelerant was used. And this was an implied in this house, an intentionally set fire in the bedroom where they were as well. So they wanted these whoever did this, one of these bodies, to not make it past this fire. So they said gasoline had been poured or placed in the bedroom area and the living area where

22:39the bodies were found. Rarely in there. Yeah. Weird. So they said that the other thing though here that they noticed the medical examiner then takes a look and establishes that both people were already dead before any flame was left. Yeah. Otherwise, they're tied up because if there's gasoline set on fire, you rarely stick around. And they usually go, we should get out of here. We should. Yeah. They don't just sit in there like recliner and wait for it to take them usually. Yeah. And it's usually before the fire. If you smell gasoline, you get the fuck out of smell it. What is that? That's not good. So they find out that both had been shot in the head with a shotgun. Oh boy. So this is a very intentional thing here and somebody covered up. And according to the medical examiner, the murders happen at least two days prior to the fire. What? They were murdered left in the house. No one fucking noticed for two days.

23:41And they came back and torched it. And then someone came back and went, we should probably torched this joint before these, you know, to, I guess, red evidence is the way to do it. So it's ruled an arson and intentional double murder. Yeah. So this is, you assume that somebody that sets a fire in a house is trying to a dispose of body and evidence. And but everybody, I've never heard of a fire in a house with dead people in it that they just wrote it off. You know what I mean? They find the, they find the bullet holes. They do that. They do every single time. They end up finding it. Yeah. It's the problem is it does burn off a lot of evidence. Like if there was DNA evidence, fingerprints, hairs, I mean like that. Solving, yeah, all that murder makes it tough. Yeah. Yeah, they can tell it's a murder, but solving it homicide detectives hate to go to an arson fire because they go fuck. Number one, figuring it all out is one thing and then proving that someone intentionally

24:43set a fire when there's no way to forensically do that. You know, you have to have like someone see them walk up to the house with a gas can or have somebody admit it. Basically, otherwise, it's really hard to do it. James. Well, let's find out. Stephanie's mother here have said, quote, to get my daughter in ashes, I never believed this would happen. Besides, despite my name being Wilburne, I did not expect any of this. Had no idea. Could not see the foreshadowing. No. So they said a fire, you know, obviously this is tragic and Stephen's mother said, you live in a small community because you want to think it's safe and private. But then there's these two assholes with a podcast to show us that it's not at all. It's very dangerous everywhere. They remind us twice a week. Twice a week to watch out for the people close to you, essentially. Hey, everybody, just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you how to get the best stuff in your fridge with butcherbox butcherbox.com. Absolutely.

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27:44Like a lot of like news shows and stuff. They want to scare you with strangers. You don't go outside. This one they're going to remember that ours is like you don't get you while you're sleeping motherfucker. It'll be your own people. It'll be probably your children. They'll murder you. Either your children or whoever you love the most, that's probably who will murder you. This is basically how we tell you. He said because we think it's safe and private, but then you have something like this. I think it's shaken the entire area. They said the communities on edge people are freaked out. I don't know if this is just some mad man. They don't know if this is targeted. They don't know what the hell's going on. All they know is it's an arson and these two have been killed. This nice couple. It's been together for five years. The two mothers got together to look for justice based on their shared experience of both loving people named Stephen. That's it. And the grief of everything. Yeah. So Stephen's mom said someone with enough nerve to commit this type of crime needs to be punished

28:46because what's next? There's still out there. We don't know who they are and who else are going to kill. Exactly. Which is a fair point. Yeah. So they said they're working with police to find out who's responsible. Stephanie's mom said we need answers to help the state police to find out who has done this terrible act. So they're begging the community for any kind of info. They said any little thing can help and it could be something that someone doesn't think is significant, but it could be the missing puzzle piece that police are looking for. So they said how could anybody live with themselves? How could anyone sleep at night after doing this horrible act? So their families, again, this is Stephen's mom said if you know something, please come forward as a family, we need some kind of closure. And the West Virginia State Fire Marshall's office offered a reward for information leading to the arrest in the kingly sum in 2016, not 1916 of $5,000. Please help us solve a crime for two months more kids.

29:48Yeah, for very little money, essentially, in these days and times. How about a little more can we pony up for this? How often do you have an like an unsolved arson murder in this area? A rendous murder. Probably not. So they investigate, they identify several persons of interest and we'll find out why in a minute here through numerous interviews because they talk to everybody that they knew up and down the hall or friends, family acquaintances, whatever. This investigation is going to go kind of cold though, because it's about a year, which is weird for an arson, but for about a year and a half, it's going to take for them to figure anything out. There's a Facebook post on August of 2017, so almost a year later. This is from crime stoppers of West Virginia posted saying who murdered Stephen's scags and Stephanie Waters in West Virginia. We want to know who murdered them or who murdered Stephen's stags and Stephanie Waters and then set their house on fire with their bodies inside exclamation point.

30:53If you can identify the suspect slash suspects or have any information related to this crime, contact us immediately. They go through a couple of points of how they found them and that sort of thing. A year later, they're still asking on Facebook for help. So that's not good. That is where everything gets solved. It's stuck. At least people think it's solved. By the end of a comment section, you can really go, yeah, I think we solved this thing when you've done nothing. It is crazy what they're doing with social media these days. Wow. My God. I think of social media. So going through some Stephanie social media posts here, they find out that she has an ex-boyfriend that lives very close by. You know how this is Willis Branch Road? He is Brian Willis. Oh, is he in the Willis tree? And he is, yes, he lives on that road. So we would assume that because that's how they would name roads. Probably part of the family from all the years past.

31:55All the hollow back at your years there. Oh, I'm a genrich. Jesus Christ, a family holler tree. So the conflict and jealousy here, they find that apparently after this relationship, it ended. Stephanie had been posting and they'd been there. It's been some acrimony on social media about how Brian Willis was jealous and they were not a good breakup. And he was jealous towards Stephen Skags and all this type of shit. But this was like from a couple of years back, but it was still there and he still lives close by. So it's something they want to look into. So Brian Stephen Willis, again, Stephen middle name, he's born July 1988. He lived in Victor right on that road, same street, ex-boyfriend. He's kind of a, just a schmuck. He's not a logger. He's kind of a small town. There's small time scumbag. He sells weed. He sells coke. He sells Matthew. I don't buy. Does whatever he can to make ends meet, you know what I mean?

32:57Just bouncing through life in the hills of West Virginia. That's it. Just making it worse up there for everyone. Or you told you to make it work. Yeah. Yeah. Either worse or tolerable depending on how you look at it, I suppose. So we've also, they start looking into him and people he knows and a friend of Stephanie's told the police that, well, not only did they have some beef previously, but recently they've had that beef was all over with the jealousy and all that, but Stephanie owed Brian Willis a bunch of money for drugs is what they say. That's a friend of Stephanie's that says this. Like, I don't know, I don't know if she doesn't have any enemies or anything, but she did owe her ex-boyfriend a bunch of money for drugs. That's the only person I can think of that could possibly have anything to beef with on her. Now, Brian also got married here about a month and a half after the murders.

33:57On December 21, 2016, he married a woman named Delaina. Okay. She's important and this is the only reason why I'm telling you here. Then another person here, Ryan McCloskey, who's a friend of Brian Willis, he comes forward and says that I know who killed these people. Oh, well, we got five grand for you, McCloskey. It wasn't Brian though. No, it wasn't Brian. He said the gills killed him. The gills. The gills family, which we'll get him to in a second, over stolen drugs and tools that they stole from the gills and the fact that they thought that or they think that Stephanie was a confidential informant for the police as well. So she owes money. She's an informant and she stole drugs and tools from the gills. Okay. According to this guy, Brian told Brian Willis went to McCloskey and said, look, the gills

35:01killed those two. And I quote, helped give them advice as to how to clean up the evidence. So Brian is involved in this, but he, this guy saying that the gills did it and then Brian advised them on how to try to get away with it. Okay. You have five on pump two and solve your problems. Solve it all. So that's where we are at this point. So okay. Right after that, Charles Gill is arrested. Now Charles Gill is about 22 years old at this point, 21-ish. So he's very young and the other Gill that's involved is his dad, Everett Gill, who's 52. So we got a father and son team here. Okay. So they arrest Charles Gill, Charles Eli Gill as his name and he's a friend of Brian's, Brian Willis. And he says, well, yes, we did this. Yes, we are all involved.

36:01He said it was the Clean Air Act. And they go, huh? Like the environmental protection agency and they go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We had this thing that we called the Clean Air Act because apparently Brian had told Charles and his father, Everett, that he was going to prison here that Charles is going to be going to prison with Brian for a long, long time. Okay. So Brian told Charles that apparently the police quote had paperwork on the three of them, meaning Everett too, for Brian selling weed and for us, meaning Charles and his dad father of making meth because we're in the hall. They're here. Okay. So they could say, what about the Clean Air now? We'll get to that. Okay. He said the Clean Air Act again. And they said, what the fuck are you talking about? And he said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we're gonna get there. So they're shutting down all the coal plants.

37:03It's crazy out there. I've got to make a tunnel through the silica, that'll do it. So he said that he that they had wired buys on him, meaning Charles and that they got records of Charles signing for suit of Fed boxes, which you have to do to get them. have to sign for the pseudo-fedron at the pharmacy." Quote unquote. Because of the math. So yeah, they have him basically buying a bunch of suit-of-fed and then have wired buys of him selling meth that he made with the suit-of-fed. So it's a clear front to back of, of, I make meth and sell it. Now Charles admitted to the police that he shot Stephen and Stephanie. He said, but he said, my father and Brian were also involved in the whole plan. Okay. Now, Everett says, dad, he has 52 at the time. He said that the victims here, Stephanie and Stephen were quote, getting on drugs pretty

38:06heavy and everything and they got to steal in my tools. Everything I owned, about $10,000 worth. So these two are owing money for drugs. They are confidential informants according to them and now they've, they're stealing all the tools. $10,000 worth of craftsmen, whenever the fuck that means. All of it. Yeah, everything I got. So, he brought up the Clean Air Act and he said that Brian were told him that the victims were informants working for the police and he also heard Brian complain that Stephanie had ripped him off as well. Now, the Clean Air Act is what they discuss, quote, countless times according to the Gills, which is to kill these two, to clean, because they're pollution, they're polluting the holler. That's what they call them, pollution. So we need to, it's the Clean Air Act to get rid of all the pollution. They've got like gangster talk up there.

39:07Yeah. For some reason, a 30 year old who hangs out with a 21 year old and they both hang out with a 52 year old and they're all right, making method and shit. And this is, they're coming up with fucking euphemisms here. And they go to the police and just spill everything. Yeah, they brought Charles Gillan and they're like, look, this person told us this, this and that. And Charles was like, yeah, we did it. Here's why Clean Air Act. Clean Air Act. That's right. And then if dad came in, he's like, see, we had to clean air act. They're like, we keep hearing about this. So Charles spills exactly what happened. I mean, exactly what happened here. He said, this is the night of the murders, not the night of the fire because those are two different nights. Okay. Charles says that he and Brian were quote, really drunk that night. Having consumed, this is amazing. Cocaine and liquor at Brian's house for at least 10 hours. Oh man. That's a bet. To keep that going for 10 hours, you need coke and booze because you got to otherwise you

40:10get too drunk, it tires, you got to have some coke and balance it out and they partied for 10 hours and then said, let's go do something. Let's get a gun. I sure you know, it's been pissing me off lately. So let's go do something. No. Let's go do something. Let's go do two people. Life changing activities right now. Yeah. This is quote, quote, we was just really drunk and just partying, but Brian kept pushing it on me. He brought it up again like he had thousands of times before that they had to go or we're going to go to prison and he kept pushing it that night. Like he had been and he said it in his mind that that night we was going to go down there and kill him. What the fuck? I'm just sitting there like, I guess if your Charles you're like, because people coke talk is pippa, pippa, pippa, pippa. People say all sorts of I'm going to start a business. They don't go start the business. So you know what I mean? Like you don't expect he's going to go kill these people maybe at the time he's talking

41:11and he just think he's running his mouth. So at Brian's direction, Charles said he put he and Brian put tape on the souls of their shoes. So they quote would leave no traces, meaning no footprints. You could identify their their soul patterns and they left the house. Okay. He picked up shoes left the house with a sought off 20 gauge shotgun and he said Brian had a nine millimeter Ruger pistol. Yeah. So they leave the house, coked up, drunk, tape on their shoes, both arm now. This is a bad idea. They arrived at the residence, Stephanie and Stephen. Charles said he knocked on the door, but no one answered. So he quote, he just opened the door, the door opened right up. I just turned the knob and it just opened right up. That's how they are. It's going to say it's really weird. A lot of times if you just push up a window, it'll just fly open. It's real weird.

42:12I just turn. I just operated a door knob. It was real weird. I just turned the key. The car just started right up. It was crazy. I had never seen that in my get before. Wow. And I understand here is it was not locked. Yeah. This is what we're dealing with though. Someone who says, I just turned the knob and opened right up. Okay. And I seen Stevie Skags laying there and whenever he was just sitting in a chair about like a camping chair and whenever I went in, I just I shot him right in the head up through the nose into the head. He is okay. His furniture is camping equipment. Yes. Horrible. And you just let's start with the camping and the furniture. Yeah. As this man is sitting in a folding chair, you shot him in the nose. Up the nose. Wow. Up in his head. He just walked in. Stephen was there and he was just like sitting there and he just walked in and shot him. I mean like, oh my God.

43:13Jesus Christ. Okay. Charles then Charles filed the fire at the shot as Brian was quote, coming in right behind me. And Brian quote, fired two shots with his rougar towards Stevie. But Charles was unsure whether it hit him or not. They're in a fucking tiny living room of a of a holler house. How bad of a shot are you? And he's not moving. Yeah. And I like his moving target here. The cops have determined they were shot with shotgun. So that means you missed you missed stupid from right there, which is pathetic. So next Charles walked back into the back bedroom where he found Stephanie sleeping in bed. A shotgun blast did not wake her up and two nine millimeter shots, three gunshots, including a kaboom fucking 20 gauge shotgun blast, which is loud. That's loud. The dream of sleeping away. She sleeps. I'm saying I we were jealous of a deaf woman a couple weeks ago.

44:16And this is I'm a little jealous of this too. This lady's got all her senses as far as we know. Well, yeah, I'm jealous of sleeping off a meth buzzer, whatever the hell's going on here. It is whatever it is. He said that he quote shot Stephanie right in the head. Charles walked out of the bedroom, but Brian instructed him to quote, make sure she's dead, even though he just shot her with a shotgun at point blank range. And that he said, so he quote loaded the shotgun again. And I went back in and I shot her again and I walked back out. Okay. The two then left the residence and hid their guns and ditches on the way back to the home. Right. Just on the side of the road there at Brian's house, Brian threatened that if Charles quote mentioned it, anything about it, Brian was going to kill me or my family. Now, that's crazy because I'd be like, you're threatening me. I just blew two people away, shot him in the head.

45:16You missed a guy before feet away. You should be afraid of me at this point. I'm the murderer. You're a pussy. And I'm dumb as shit because I just threw away a shotgun that they can't trace. I'm not very bright and you're dangerous. I'm dumb and dangerous. Yeah. I bet there was definitely some blood on it though. That's probably true. Yeah. For want to get rid of those. So then dad, Everett, apparently within a few days, Brian told Everett that he and Charles went down there and they opened the door and went in there and they was high and passed out. Stephanie Waters in the bed, Stevie Skags on a chair and they shot him both. And Brian said he shot Stevie in the head with a nine millimeter and recovered his casing. Hit his cuff on his pants. So the key is cuff caught the casing. Yeah. So he ended up, hey, look at that. I saved the evidence. Good. Now, that's when they were like, what do we do with the evidence?

46:18We got all the seven. We got clothes, but on them, we got a whole body's in a house. Yeah. Too bad. Yeah. So Charles then said that the day after the murders, he and Brian discussed the need to get rid of the evidence at the home. Okay. The victim's home. So Brian provided Charles with gas and oil and Charles said, quote, like two days after murdering them, he dumped gas, a mixture of gas and oil throughout the house, lit it on fire and left the door open, make sure that shit burns, which is right. Get that. That's a yeah, don't want it to go out. Don't want to suffocate that bad boy. We need to vent it. Yeah. Wow. That's extra cold though. Let's make sure this is a good, exgenated burn here. Really good. Something. Yeah. Wow. Everett testified later on that quote, all he remembers is seeing a gas jug. He gets Brian's house and that he ordered Charlie to go down and burn the evidence in the

47:18house and Everett testified later that Brian, quote, threatened me, my family and everything. Everything. Well, you, you're fifth, you're an adult. You're 52 years old. Right. You're going to let this guy threaten you. What are we talking about here? You're going to let me threaten. You're going to threaten, you're ordering my son to go burn the evidence and then you're threatening my family. I think me and my son are going to murder you and kill you and put you up in the hill somewhere, right? Yeah. There's two of us. Yeah. We'll put you in the house and burn it up too. Fuck it. Why not? Like, there's two of us. Yeah. 152, that's not an old man. It's someone who could definitely handle his business, probably. How do you get to this place? That's the thing. Well, this is fucking crazy. Funny you should ask that because I'll tell you exactly how we just got to this part where Delayna ends up explaining everything. Okay. A little bit better. Delayna Brian's new wife, right? By the way, they'll be divorced in the next two years. I'll bet. Yeah. She said that in late October and early November of 2016, the Gills, Charles and Everett

48:23frequented Brian's home while she was staying there and she overheard them discussing problems that the Gills and Brian had with the victims. So she was there while this was all brewing. She said, quote, Everett got mad because Stephanie Waters, she was doing things, showing her body and stuff for pills and money and she quit. And she quit. She quit showing it? She quit. I apparently, yeah. Apparently so she guys, she quit showing her body and stuff for pill. What is that stuff? Wow. For pills and money and she quit. I have a feeling we don't want to know. I don't think we want to know what that stuff is. So he got mad about it. Well, yeah. Okay. Sure. And Stevie Skags had stole some tools from Charlie and Everett. So Brian's wife here heard them reference the Clean Air Act and she understood that to

49:25mean that the three men were going to kill Skags and Waters and she also said that Brian had told her that he had loaned Stephanie $1,500 to purchase methamphetamine which she had not repaid. Okay. So she hears all this in the next month they get married. That's, this is a month before they get married. Everybody out there is married. Do you remember planning your wedding or doing all that? Imagine if one is lovely. Oh, everything. Okay. Yeah. They're going to center pieces. They're all set. Everything's good. Well, you know, auditioned some bands today. Well, after we burned down the house of a, my ex-girlfriend who I lent $1,500 for methamphetamine, my buddy's dad's kind of mad at her because she stopped showing her body and stuff for pills and money. What the fuck is happening in this fucking town? Oh boy. Now, she has some more details. She recalled that on the night of the murders, Brian and Charles left Brian's house at about

50:299 p.m. and returned about 9.45. Very efficient. Although Brian and Charles told Delayna that they were going to kill Mr. Skags and Miss Waters, Delayna quote, didn't really believe it. But she did observe Charles with a 12 gauge sawdoth shotgun and with her boyfriend with a 9 millimeter rouger. They're leaving the house at nine o'clock at night walking toward the direction of the place where they said they're going to murder people with murder weapons, but you don't think they'll do it. And they're back within 45 minutes. That's either they chose not to or holy fuck these are horrifying people. They didn't even stop to like talk about it for a minute afterwards. They're just, well, that's that. The two returned home with those same guns and when they returned home, Charles quote, banged on the door and was like, we just went down there and blew their face off. Let us in. How about extra no now? I'm definitely not letting that be shouting.

51:33Shouting it. These idiots also kill. Who else are you going to tell? I can't believe it took a year for this to happen. That's what I mean. A year of this police force. No, whatever, but they can't be that great. If this took a fucking year to figure out all this dumb shit out. So they banged on the door. We just went down there, blew their faces off. Let us in. Brian mental delaying that quote, he shot Stevie Skaggs twice after Charlie did and showed her quote, a slug that was mashed up. And he said that it went out of Stevie's head and hit him and hit his kneecap. How the fuck what? What route did that bullet take? I mean, he was sitting. So I guess just aim down at him. How big is this guy? How would he go out of his head? He had down his kneecap into his kneecap. If you get the shot out of him behind, I guess. Back in the head, well, his knee was there. He said he shot him in the face from the front. That was the shotgun. So this guy's saying that he didn't miss with the 9mm.

52:34Well, he's telling people that, but I think he's just, you know, he's hit the wall. I'm important too. I think that's this guy who wants people to think he's a badass. It's mad because it hit the wall. Let's be honest. Yeah. Well, it also too. If you're going to go to prison forever for murder, you might as well actually have everyone think you're tough, I guess. That's at least the only benefit you're getting out of this. Yeah. So anyway, hit his kneecap before he picked it up. Delayne also said that Brian and Charles burned the clothes they were wearing at the time of the murders, the only smart thing they've done. She also heard Brian and Charles discuss burning the victim's residence. Quote, they said they was going to go down there and burn them and the house, burn them in the house down. So that would get rid of the evidence with an oil and gasoline mixture. She said she observed the flames as the residence was burning. She said, quote, before we seen flames up in the sky, I don't know why, but that makes

53:34it sound like she thinks it's mystical or something. And before we seen flames up in the sky, Charles had come right back to our house and said, that's what he had done. Charles confirmed to Brian that he had quote, set them on fire and got rid of it, got rid of it, everything. He's, he's, they, he set the bodies on fire. That's where the fire started. He poured the accelerant directly onto them and put food in the living room, probably poured it on the evidence of the blood in the chair. I'm sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. She also said, man, this is this, she's got a lot of information. She knows everything. She was there. They were yelling at it. I just blew people's face off. Let me in. Like, fuck, man. Unbelievable. She also said that she saw Brian quote, rifle the barrel of his ruger with a drill. Oh, different all the changes. The scoring. Yeah. Exactly. She, um, now the only thing with her is she won't be allowed to testify to anything that

54:38happened after they got married. She can only testify to shit previous to December 21st. That's why I made sure to make the date. So that's, luckily, including the murder and cover up and everything. But luckily they did everything before he got married. None of the other single man. Yeah. He's like, damn it. I knew we should have had a Halloween wedding. It would have been so much fun. We could have worn costumes and she couldn't have testified against me. It would have been great. What a absolute party. Wow. She said, also limiting her testimony to conversations they had prior to marriage. She recounted that Brian and discussing the murders said that the victims quote, got what they deserved. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And she said that she married him despite knowing what he had done because quote, she was afraid of him and knew that she was stuck there anyways. That's, imagine being, that's, that's sad. Honestly, I feel bad. Imagine being so stuck in your life, feeling so stuck where you're like, well, I guess

55:39I'll just marry a double murderer who sells meth up in the hall or here in West Virginia because that I'm stuck here anyways 30 year old loser. Yeah. Fucking horrible. She explained that she was stuck because Brian was quote, physically mean to me. And he told me that if I married him and then I can't testify against him, he knew that. Well, he's seen TV shows from back in the day. What he doesn't know is the nuance of that law, which is different in every state. Number one, unless Virginia is actually is pretty blanket, but it's only after you get married. That's the thing. He didn't realize that part. Doesn't mean you, I can never say anything about him ever because we're married. That's not how it works. So what has he been doing since the fire, Brian? Layin' low. A whole year. You know, maybe canoeed a ling with his new wife in their, no. Okay. June 25th, 2017, while he knows all this was going on, he, I don't know if this is,

56:41I believe this is him based on the town and everything. Apparently, he had a baby with another woman at this point. I mean, the baby would have been conceived three months before he got married, two months before he got married. So I mean, it's all pretty nebulous at this point. Yeah. It was a four-pounds 14 ounces. I don't know. So small kid. What? Small kid, four-pounds 14 ounces. That's a small, that's half the size of a normal kid. You got to put that fucker in an incubator for a while and let him cook a little more. That didn't come out the hospital for a few months. Yeah. October 23rd, 2017, Brian's doing some wild shit. Okay. He tried to rob a man at gunpoint on Hopewell Road and Victor. Yeah. He's arrested for holding a man at gunpoint and attempting to rob him, the sheriff said. Apparently, officers arrived around 6 p.m. Sunday at a residence on Hopewell Road and Victor

57:42where deputies found a 45-year-old victim who said he'd been held at gunpoint by an individual demanding drugs. Oh, he was. He's trying to rob drugs. He's trying to Omar the situation here. Meanwhile, I don't think this guy had it. Apparently, a man who was accompanying the subject, Brian, searched him, searched the guy for drugs or a weapon, but after failing to find anything, Brian and his whatever compatriot here, I'm assuming possibly Charles Gill fled the scene. But this guy knows Brian. So the deputies identified him as Brian, Stephen Willis. We know that moron. Yeah. He's an idiot. He's like 1954 crimes and they're doing this in 2017. Well, to be fair, it does feel like about it's about 50 years behind up in the hills here, but still this is like unbelievable. He's trying to pull off like some black and white crimes like some shit from the 20s or something.

58:44Yeah, like some depression, Irish shit here. Some wild shit and Oklahoma or something. He was arrested without incident charge with one felony count of attempted robbery and one count of brandishing and deadly weapon and he's being held on $50,000 bond. So he needs five grand. He apparently got the five grand somehow somebody bailed him out because we know that because he's definitely out on November 19, 2017 when he does some more insane shit. Okay. By the way, charge with first degree robbery and attempted first degree robbery on that one. Okay. November 19, 2017 Rodney Ray Rose, who's 36 years old. This is an Anstead on River Road under the overpass of the US Route 60. She's under under the overpass. Nice location. Like trolls and crackheads. Okay. Yeah. And fucking freeway blowjob. Yeah. Yes.

59:45An Anstead man was in critical condition Monday morning after being shot in the face and torso Sunday night. That's Rodney Ray Rose surviving it. He did. Yup. Being shot multiple times in the upper torso and facial area while under the US 60 overpass. Okay. The shooting left him hospitalized. Obviously, you know, go home from that. He recovered apparently from his wounds, which is amazing. According to the sheriff, Rose left River Road and was able to drive himself to a nearby shell station to seek help, even covered in bullet wounds. Rose told the deputies they go, who shot you? I mean, like Biggie said, who shot you? And he said, Brian Steven Willis from Victor lives up on Willis branch. Stop shooting people. You know, you fucking idiot. Stop it. People who know where you live. They know you so well. God damn it.

1:00:46This guy was left with permanent injuries to his face and body unsurprisingly. But yeah, he identified Brian as the shooter. And so now he's arrested and held without bond. He's arrested at his home at 2195 Willis branch road. So you can do the math. The other one's not very far from it. No. We gave you the other address before. It was a 2000 block thing too. So this is a felony malicious wounding attempted murder. You name it. All the biggies. All the biggies, all the good ones there. So I guess the deputies also arrested Delaina after discovering her connection with the shooting, which is what made her spill her guts about everything because they got her in there. She was arrested on a felony count of malicious wounding and was remanded for 50 grand as well. Brian attempted murder attempted robbery in the first degree malicious assault assault during the commission of a felony. Wanted wife to do it. Run for us. Wife. Come on, baby. We're going out, Robin. Wanted an endangerment involving a firearm conspiracy to commit a felony in Delaina got

1:01:50attempted murder attempted robbery in the first degree conspiracy to commit a felony. And there's also a Carrie L Willis. I assume a relative probably also conspiracy to commit a felony grand larceny to counts arrested at the same time. So yeah, he's got a lot going on. Now, by the way, the ballistics, a firearm and toolmark examiner with the state police forensic laboratory confirmed that toolmarks had been placed inside the barrel of a 9-millimeter rouger owned by him and recovered from him, but they found the gun, by the way, in an effort to obliterate the rifling. So he tried to fuck with the barrel, so it doesn't come back a rouger, basically. Okay. Now Willis, what is Brian have to say? Well, he gives a couple of statements. Oddly, none of them incriminate him for real weird. His first statement, he said, I don't know. I wasn't there. Charles killed everybody and did everything. I don't know nothing about nothing. Oh.

1:02:50So they go, come on, Brian, we don't buy that. We think so. So then he said, all right, I was there. Yeah. All right. So Charles was responsible for the murders. And he said that apart from the gills quote, posturing, he had no knowledge of Charles' specific intention when they got to the home that evening. He goes, I didn't know what we were going to do. We just walk around with shotguns. Yeah. Charles is something about killing people, but I mean, most of the time, no. Most of the time you come to my door, you're carrying a shotgun, right? I got it. I got a house shotgun over the shoulder like Elmer Fud. That's how I do it. That's a strange thing to just carry. It really is. It's really aggressive. So September, 2018, okay. The gills here, or I'm sorry, this is Brian is going to plead guilty to the robbery and attempted murder in of Rodney Rose.

1:03:50Okay. He gets you, sir, may fuck off 30 years for the robbery and three to 15 for attempted murder, which seems backwards. But it's a good regard. Yeah. You tried to kill a person three to 15. You robbed him 30. Huh? You can replace shit. What are we talking about? But that's a good sentence to hang on to him and make him sweat out the other one. Big go. Yeah. Next one. You're in forever unless you make a deal. They're going to hang on tight here. So he sentenced, yeah, he is pretty fucked here. Now May 9th, 2019, there's a grand jury. They return indictments against Brian and Charles for the murders and also a conspiracy charge against Everett. October 2019, Charles is admitting to everything and ready to plead guilty. Now they plead, Everett pleads guilty to conspiracy and Charles pleads guilty to two counts

1:04:56of voluntary manslaughter and one count of second degree arson if they testify against Brian, even though he's the trigger man, which makes no sense whatsoever. So part of the plea agreement is the testimony as well. March 2021 is the Willis murder trial. They have all the evidence. They have his wife testifying about everything. They have Charles and Everett testifying about everything. Other people testify about everything, prior acts. It shows that this is the dangerous one of the group. Yeah. They said he's the trouble starter here. He's the guy. He's the trouble round here is the thing. Yeah. He's the straw that stirs the drink here and we take him out of this. It might be better. So Everett and other witnesses all testify that Brian help Charles commit the murders that he bragged about shooting them and that Willis had the personal motives the most against these guys, even though these guys said they stole my tools and all that. It seems like everyone's in this pretty evenly. And I think everyone should get this.

1:06:01Everybody did something. So you're all a part of this. It seems like well, the jury deliberates for about three hours. Here they come back with guilty to counts of first degree murder and arson and weapons charges. Not good. Sentencing is 2021. The jury deliberates for a while. Then they return. Now there is a verdict. You can either have mercy or no mercy, which is death penalty or not. They give you, sir, may fuck off. I'm sorry. There is no death penalty. It is either life with parole or life without parole. They give a recommendation of no mercy. Put them down. It's a leg, Johnny. That's right. May fuck off two life sentences without parole. Oh, consecutive to each other and consecutive to his other charges. So when he's done with 30 and three to 15, then he gets to consecutive life.

1:07:01Oh, and on top of that, another 20 consecutive for arson as well. He just got 100 years. He's got, well, wait till I tell you his, his end date. It's amazing. We're seeing this number before in a, on a state, even put it in there. There's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. So the reaction, Steven's cousin here said very, very, very happy. I think justice has finally been served after having to wait about four and a half years for it. They said that family members that said that Stephanie had two little sons. They said two little boys were left without a mother and they said the family has struggled, but now they're doing better. They said it's really affected our family in a negative way. It's also brought us closer together. The gills who pled guilty, they're also sentenced, Charles is sentenced. He's 24th this point. Uses are may fuck off 40 years in prison. So that's a two even even voluntary manslaughter. They didn't let him off easy 40 years in prison for that in a second. But he came to out. He's good.

1:08:02Yeah, it's only 24. Even if he does the whole 40, he can get out. Now ever it is dad who's 57 at this point, little more, he is sentenced. This is just conspiracy to commit murder or arson. And you sir may fuck off up to five years in prison. Oh wow. That's it up to five years. That's making a deal right there. That's incredibly lenient. Then again, they needed their testimony to put Brian away. Otherwise, Charles did everything and that's that. Now they're under the post of them getting sentenced. I found a Facebook post under that, a comment that made me laugh. This is going to be very bad for us. I'm sure this is from someone else named Stevie, by the way, which is crazy. Everyone in this fucking story is named some Stephen at some point. Okay, good. Rot in there, Stevie or rot in there. There is T H E I R by the way.

1:09:02Rot in there. No, as they can spell that. There's there. They just put T H and let it go. It feels obviously. Now this is by the way, no punctuation whatsoever. So good, rot in there. Stevie or Steph did not deserve that at all. I hope they get what's coming to them. I hope the drugs was worth it. You bunch of trash. All three of them was sick in the head. And them two gills should have gotten way bigger time than what they got. Trash, trash, trash. That's a nice trash, trash, trash. I love it. All right, May 2022. That's what they're going to call me. Oh, yeah, for sure. Trash, trash, trash. Well, talk to about this trash. Yes, they are trash. And by the way, the other people, I don't care if you can fucking show your body for pills. You can do fucking meth in the hills. You never know. You still can't get murdered.

1:10:04So we feel bad for these people. Yeah, they weren't possibly the greatest citizens in the world, but who gives a shit? They're more bothered. But they're not bothered. They're not bothered. They're not bothered. I mean, shot up the nose. That's crazy. We're not bothered of me, any, you know, do you think? Maybe they would have figured it out eventually. So anyway, he appeals saying the court, basically the court failed to disclose a connection between his lawyer and a witness that never even testified. So it's like, well, that doesn't fucking matter at all. And then he also claims that his wife's testimony was in violation of the marital confidence privilege, which says that neither husband nor wife shall, without the consent of the other, be examined in any case as to any confidential communication made by one to the other while married, nor shall either be permitted without such consent to reveal in testimony after the marriage relation ceases and any such communication made while the marriage existed. So it's while you're married. And once there's a third person there, by the way, it's like with your lawyer, it's

1:11:05there's no confidentiality once there's someone else in the room anyway. So if he came in with Charles and said, we just did that. That's not marriage confidentiality anyway. So there you go. Stephen is buried at the rest lawn, which is a great name for a cemetery, rest lawn memory gardens in Victor. Brian and Charles are still in prison. Brian is, well, save Brian actually. Charles here has a parole date on January, or I'm sorry, July 9, 2028. Okay. Charles is actually up for parole at that point. His, yeah, so that's that. Now Brian, offender number 3622158 located at NCC, his projected release date January 1st, the year 5,000. Why put that? Went up with 50,000. What's the difference? Find the year 5,000. That is funny. It's pretty funny.

1:12:05It's got to be discouraging for him to check on him. Be like, Jesus, 5,000. Shit. He keeps looking at this thing, daunting ass date. Yeah. Looking at. No, shit. And I think I buried and sleep forever. And I think I figured out by these why he had Charles with him. Stephen or Brian 58150. It's a little guy. Charles 6,200 pounds. Holy shit. That's why he had him with him. That's absolutely right. So there you go. There's West Virginia. Did I tell you West Virginia never let this down? Crazy shit. That's a crazy ass story. Hope you enjoyed it. And yeah, we want to reiterate too. Not really not trash and Stephen and Stephanie here. They're reminding their business in their own homes, but. Everybody's got a price. And sometimes addiction leads you down shitty paths. Addiction, so. A steal, but. You don't fucking kill somebody. No, they very fucking know. So if you like this story, if you like anything about the story, get on whatever app you're on, give us five stars.

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