The Patrick Madrid Show: September 10, 2026 - Hour 2

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1:00stations across America and more than 60 of them are AM stations. Next week the AM radio for every vehicle act is up for a critical vote in the US House. If signed into law it would ensure that AM radio would remain a standard feature in all vehicles. It also gives relevant radio a platform to share the gospel with anyone who tunes in. Contact your representative now. And urge them to vote yes, not no vote yes on the AM radio for every vehicle act. 88 914 9149. A quick nod to you Father Jim. Thanks for your note a moment ago. Father Jim says just a thought perhaps the knee jerk reaction. Yeah, I think he's referring to a comment I made in the first hour of the program today about how a certain sector of society and I think largely young people but not entirely. That I think if I said it this way this is what he's referring to they have a knee jerk negative reaction to AI so he says perhaps the knee jerk reaction is a result of conditioning by the movies and television programs that people have viewed over the years such as space odyssey terminator

2:05matrix star wars star star Trek. Where the negative side of computer function is associated with evil and bad things happening just a thought I think it's a good thought it's a incisive thought. Father Jim and I would concur with you. Fast night. Yeah. Cyrus War games starring Matthew Broderick. Yes. You saw it when it came out no doubt. I did. I was a child. And it was what was it like 1985 maybe? Yeah, and I was like why isn't he as funny as he is in first-pular? Yeah, different different kind of characters. So for those who didn't see it that was actually a big movie when it came out. I think it was 85. Somebody sitting down to write me an email right now no Patrick is 84. I really don't remember but I think it was around that time. I know I was married to Nancy at that time. 83. Ah see somebody wrote you an email Patrick's wrong it was 1983. That was six.

3:07Haha. Well I was married and had an 83 two kids. That's crazy. But a being better boom. Yeah, it happens quickly. So the premise of that movie is that he's a whiz kid with a computer. And now it was mildly remotely a stretch kind of plausible in those days to imagine that whatever firewalls or electronic defenses that the US military might have would have been very primitive compared to what it has now. But that was the premise of the movie that this whiz kid teenager 15 year old kid with a computer. He's able to hack into the military system and he's he wants to play like war games as games with the military computer. And he thinks it's just a game. And the military

4:13computer thinks that he's I don't know what it thinks he is. But in any case it gets right up to the brink of a nuclear war because this kid with a home computer has been able to tap into the Pentagon. Let's say that's the whole premise of the movie. And you know obviously it gets right up to the brink of nuclear war. And then somehow some somebody has a way to shut it down. Or maybe he figures out how to shut it down. Highly implausible back in those days. I don't know how implausible it is now. But I would add that to the list father Jim of some of the other movies that you rightfully mentioned. Thank you for that. Let's see. Conrado says, are you familiar with the Santuario de Chimayo in New Mexico? Many people have been healed from visiting that sanctuary. I've heard of it, Conrado, but I've never been there. But I have heard of it. So thank you for asking. Paul in and Paul's immediate guru, I didn't know that, but Paul as immediate guru, he says,

5:17good morning Patrick, today is the one year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's murder. Were you planning to discuss that in any way? Well, thank you for reminding me. It's the sombre day, of course, and a terrible thing that happened. Make God rest his soul. I did talk a lot about Charlie Kirk and the immediate aftermath of his murder. But I think the reason that I will demure today is because of all the crazy that's going on out there of people who have just lost their minds and lost their bearings in this wilderness of conspiracy theories that Israel did it, that Benjamin Netanyahu that Erica Kirk did it, that people at turning point USA with Erica Kirk did it, that the confessions of the guy who's on trial right now, Tyler Robinson, that that's all fake and all the evidence is all

6:18fake. And if you really knew the true story, you would know that it was Erica Kirk who did it, all this other craziness. And it's become so, I don't know, stupid to me that my concern would be that if we spoke about it any more than what I'm speaking about right now, it would devolve into all that insanity. And I don't want to do that. So I do appreciate you mentioning this so that I could take a moment to acknowledge that this is the one year anniversary of his death. I mean, there are people who say he wasn't really shot. It didn't really happen. That bullet would not have remained lodged in his neck. And they're just a million and one different arguments. And where's the body and where's the grave and all these other things. To me, it's just a waste of time. And I don't want to descend down into that. But thank you Paul, Media Guru, I appreciate it. 88 914 9149, let's go to Victoria now in St. Cloud, Minnesota. Hi, Victoria.

7:22Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my call. You're welcome. I'm wondering what are the requirements for a seven year old second grader to receive the sacrament of the U.G.R. Our parish is requiring the attendance in their program. And I'm wondering if that is required. Well, the church requires as a general principle that the first communicant to be have a basic seven year old understanding of what's happening that under the appearance of bread that Jesus is truly present body blood, soul and divinity, substantially, sacramentally, really present. And as long as they have a seventh grade, I'm sorry, a seven year old grasp of that, all other things being equal, that's what's considered the baseline. Okay. So is there any kind of cannelal that says you have to require a certain amount of participation? No. Catechesis. No. Okay. Nothing like that. So the catechesis is necessary and

8:23it's good. And with that all children who are going to receive the first holy communion receive adequate catechesis. But it doesn't have to be, you know, incredibly voluminous catechesis as long as the child understands it, then that's the threshold. But the parish for good reasons may require, you know, months and months and months of catechesis leading up to it. There's nothing wrong with that. But service hours or you got to, you know, help out at the bingo or you got to do things like that. That's absolutely not something that the church requires. That would be something that would be a policy locally at a parish. But that's not something the church imposes. Okay. That's my question. Thank you so much. You got to appreciate that. Let's go to Steve now in Jacksonville. Good morning, Steve. Good morning. Thanks for taking my comb. You're welcome. You were talking about AI and with yesterday news about the like in prophics site, this could be quick. You know, it's hard to hear you, Steve. Are you on speaker or Bluetooth because your voices

9:27a little bit muddy? I'm sorry. Is this better? Yeah, somewhat. Let me try switching. Yeah, let's do that. Is it better? Much better. Yes. Okay. Quick pause. I want to give a public service announcement. No Bluetooth, no speaker phone because it slows things down and it makes it difficult to hear you. Okay, Steve, please proceed, sir. Yeah, with with AI and your discussion and with yesterday's news about the scientist, I think from inthropic who had left his job because he thought AI is a threat to humanity and the way the companies are being run, I just had a few points I wanted to bring up and maybe get your comments on them. Sure. Having I was thinking, you know, having AI answer questions and provide information and solve problems sounds fine. And right now that pretty much happens in the cloud or the electronic world, but giving AI a physical autonomy, if you will

10:29hands and feet is kind of a different story altogether like controlling robots whether humanoid or dog or whatever, controlling even air conditioner, you know, environmental services, traffic signals, missiles, drones, is the ability to do things in the physical world. Yeah. So I was thinking without this hands it should limit problems. Although there are some things still concerns like software updates to phones, computers, smart appliances, Alexa, you know, there's possibility of deep fakes and convincing people of, you know, inaccuracies of what is news or in video and writing. So that, you know, I've been finishing a career in IT in general and so those things do concern me as real possibilities as Elon Musk and other people have said to me. Yes, absolutely. So you're pointing to the potential, not just negatives, but dangers for AI that could become rogue

11:34or used in a way that's contrary to humanity's welfare and benefit, right? Yes. As some of those rogue studies earlier in the year had recently talked about multiple AI's that have broken out of their, their sandboxes and gone to places and done things that they should not have done. And, you know, I think there's no real moral built in values. You mentioned it, some Catholic AI's, I'm not really familiar with those, but it reminds me of the Isaac Asimov laws of robotics. They're not really instilled or, you know, I don't know how, I know there are all these models are trained on populations of data or but they may read raw information of all kinds without any values put in and they're rewriting their own software. So, you know, I'm not sure what a solution, aside from taking away its physical abilities to work in the physical world, you know, what might help help them to do,

12:42have a moral compass, if you will. Yes, absolutely. I see that as a profoundly important aspect of how we go forward with AI. And my guess is it's probably gone far, far beyond what even you and I can imagine. And maybe you've got more understanding of it because you work in that field. I don't think we fully understand just how far advanced it is right now. And I can only imagine how advanced it will be by comparison in another year, let's say, much less, you know, three years or something that far out. So, I think it's the existential question that we have to get a handle on before we lose control of it, whatever that might look like. And Father Jim, a moment ago, you may have heard me read his email, he talks about, in Terminator, as you know, the story, the sky net becomes self-aware and it turns against the humans. And so, yeah. So that concept

13:47seems to me is real. Now, I'm not arguing for, I just want to go on the record because some people might misunderstand me. I'm not saying that AI is self-aware. I'm not saying that AI is sentient. I'm not saying that AI is a rational entity of something similar to how we have rational souls. I'm not saying that. It's a computer program. But its capabilities, I don't think, are fully understood even by the people in that field, which might be why that person quit most recently, the one you referred to. Yeah, I would agree. I think, and I don't have knowledge of AI in particular, I've done, you know, other AI task, you know, reporting, you know, in that kind of thing. But um, and you're right, it's a program. It doesn't, even when they say self-aware, I mean, it's mimicking human activities and can take it like any program takes inputs and outputs, but you're giving it control of changing the way it reacts to those and forgiving it control of, like I said,

14:51physical things. And it can turn things on or off right or wrong, you know, whether, whether it's a good thing to turn on or a good thing to turn off, you know, whether it's like, like heating, air conditioning, when it's really cold in the winter or something. But, um, let me, let me do that. Go ahead, Stu. I was just going to, going to say, um, those decisions are kind of like decision trees, almost like if you, if you write out ahead of time instructions for, you know, making peanut butter sandwich, well, you take the lid off, you take the knife, you spread it on the bread, uh, but, you know, if, if you dropped an eye, picked an eye, I thought those kind of things, if there's just, there's responding to them like an algorithm, if this, then that, right? Yes, yes, but they're, they're getting, they can, they can process those things faster, and then they're writing their own changes to the algorithm. So, um, yeah, that's where I think if, if there is a way to get in to the, the base code, the can't change or, or train it in such a way that it would

15:57do, uh, virtuous things, and only, uh, or have a, that is a basis, but I don't know that can be done. So, you know, when in doubt, you probably don't, like a child or, or, you know, mentally ill person, you don't give them a knife, uh, and, and hope they do the right, you know, don't stab somebody with it. Yeah, absolutely. And I think the, the unspoken dimension of what we're discussing is that, by default, we as human beings say, there's got to be a human being with a rational soul, a rational mind, and a will to live, et cetera, who would be supervising, controlling the AI. But that leads me to a thought experiment. Would you like to take a thought experiment with me right now, Steve? Okay. Yeah. Would you fly as a passenger on a commercial airliner in which there are no human beings in the cockpit? And it is run, the, the plane is, you know, state-of-the-art brand new modern airplane, run entirely by AI that has instantaneous

17:03immediate access to all the training that all the pilots ever go through in the simulators. And the databases from the FAA and whatever other agencies compiled this unthinkably large database of information on how to fix a problem in flight, how to, how to avoid, you know, weather, how to, you know, fly the plane if something breaks. And the AI would have instantaneous access to all of it all at once, all the time, as opposed to two human pilots. I'll let you go first. Would you fly on a plane like that? I would be hesitant and probably would not if there's a piloted, a human piloted alternative. Yeah. I think most people would answer the same way. I think I would probably answer the same way. Although I would be willing to say I would try it if I had reason enough to believe that it would, it would be safe. Because obviously, if it's not safe, that's the end of it. But here's the

18:05thought experiment. I'm thinking of a couple examples and there are others, but let's just think of two. Now we have 9-11, the anniversary tomorrow and those were intentional crashing of airplanes for different airplanes. But there are others as well. So the Egypt air flight, you may remember that. That was in 1999 and a pilot intentionally, Ahmed El Habashi, he was the pilot. He left, or the captain rather, he left the cockpit. And the first officer, Gamel El Batudi, he locked the cockpit door and he dived, he dove, I should say, this airliner with, I think there were over 200 people on it. It was in Egypt air flight and he crashed it into the ocean and killed everybody. So he is a, as a human being did this. And then there was another one more recently. This was the German wings event that took place in the Alps in 2015. Same thing. The co-pilot, when the captain left to go

19:08to the bathroom, Andreas Lubitz, who was the co-pilot, he locked the door and he drove the, the airliner with 150 people into the side of a mountain, killing everybody. Now the reason I raised those is because those were human beings. And the danger that, that, that even human beings pose to flight is real because you have freaks like that who will do terrible things like that. And when I think about this thought experiment, would I rather be in an airline that's flown by an AI and no human beings, there are some risks involved, but there are also risks involved if you have human beings flying the planes, which makes it all the more of a thought experiment. To me at least, what do you think Steve? Now, I mean, that's a good point. You know, there was a, I read an article not too long going linked in about computer security and they said, you know, you, you can have employees who

20:09are trying to sabotage your company or steal data or whatever. But they said now your, your biggest security risk may be the AI. So you're right, the same, the same problems could exist, whether it's, you know, electronic say AI or human. But it's kind of a, and maybe, maybe some of it rightly wrongly so is a matter of trust or familiarity. But, you know, things could happen on either, either way. That's, yeah, that's the exact at my point. So when we evaluate AI, I think, at least for me, I have to avoid thinking that if human beings are in charge, it will always be okay because it won't. And that if AI is in charge, it will always be terrible because it won't. I think those two extremes and these pre, these assumptions are built into how we approach the topic. But I think the paradigm has to change. And that's the reason for my thought experiment. Thank you for,

21:10you know, entertaining me on that. Steve, I appreciate your phone call. Is that we, you know, we think by default that if a human beings running the show, it's going to be perfect. At least, it's going to be safe. Tell that to the German wings, passengers who perished when the pilot crashed their plane intentionally or the Egypt Air passengers who died because the pilot wanted to kill himself. I kind of upsets the apple card, doesn't it? I'll be right back. I'll be back. Hi, Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening to my podcast. In today's crazy world, finding companies that align with your Catholic values is a challenge. Your choice of cellphone provider matters. Cyrus, and I switched to charity mobile and you should too. Enjoy excellent coverage on America's most reliable network while supporting a pro life pro family company. Use offer code Patrick for a free phone. Don't miss out. Act now at charity mobile.com.

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23:14Have a question. Give Patrick a call. 888 914 9149. That's 888 914 9149. At the intersection of faith and culture, the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Okay, moving forward, we'll go to Joe now in Maryland. Hello, Joe. Welcome. Hi, Patrick. I enjoy your show very much. Thank you. I wanted to add that people aren't binary and what I mean by that is airplanes can be fully controlled by artificial intelligence with a human operator and that over the course of time, as people become accustomed to that, they will be more confident in the ability of the AI to run the machine. And the pilot could say, by the way, we're under artificially intelligent, whatever, they can let them know that the plane is being fully controlled through artificial intelligence, which is a lot faster than human beings in many things. And nevertheless, I'm here as your pilot to make the decisions that could save

24:19your life, that kind of thing. And over the course of several years or however long it takes, people will accommodate possibly to do that happening. Anyway, I just wanted to add that. Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm thinking as you're talking about that, kind of a real world comparison between Waymo cars that have no human driver and the Tesla's where you can sit in the driver's seat, but not have to do anything and the car will drive itself. And I, yeah, and I don't, maybe you can answer a question for yourself. I mean, would you prefer one over the other? Would you be a passenger in a Waymo car? Well, it depends. You're using a future tense of what would I do in five years. I would possibly just, you know, not line, but presently, of course, I would choose to be in a a plane that has a human operator, but we, I would like to be informed that, by the way, you know,

25:21I've got this advanced technology. If, you know, if you want to accommodate people through this, you need to do it over time. Humans just can't turn on that kind of decision. I don't think if they can accommodate, you know, to the fact that these things exist and come to appreciate the hey, I got from here to there, you know, and the pilot can remind them that, by the way, you know, this this this flight was done, you know, automatically, and we're just here to, you know, make sure everything goes well. So today, in 2026, would you say I'm not going to get on the AI piloted plane if there's no human present, or would you be that comfortable enough to do that? No, I wouldn't be comfortable enough to do that. I would, I would like to experience, and I'd like to experience over time, but presently, I would not. So this is where my thought experiment, I think, is, at least to me, it's interesting. I hope it's interesting to you and others as well. Given the fact that we know that human beings can intentionally crash airplanes, I gave some examples, and that even if it's unintentional, and the pilots want to

26:27live, but through pilot error, they wind up crashing airplanes. So we know that those things really do happen. Does that lesson your in any way, does that lessen your confidence in being on a human piloted aircraft? No, and you know, what's the probability of that? This is where that's happened. If you use the statistics of how many airplanes there are and how many flights there are with the probabilities stated as such, and I think it's very, very low, that I would not have a problem in that instance. Does that answer your question? I think so. Yeah, and I'm not here to argue. Believe me, I'm just curious what people think. I'm not pressing, you know, for one conclusion over another. But I find it fascinating that because we're human, and it makes sense to me, that we would be more trusting of a human controlled project as opposed to an AI controlled project. And I think your point's a good one that maybe in three years time, five years time, we won't feel that way because

27:31perhaps then the track record will be so pristine. I hope that there would be no reason to fear something like that. Or what about a, what about a robotic, let's say, an operation, a medical operation. I'm aware that there's like four prostate cancer, certain prostate cancer operations can be done robotically. Now there's a human doctor controlling it, but all of the work is being done by a robot. How would you feel about that? I wouldn't, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Although, although I must say that in listening to and in participating in Rosary across America, there was an instance, I believe, of a woman who had a robotic surgery done with a, I forget what the, the instance was, I can't name it, but were indeed there was an error and ablation is what it was. And I think that's the term in the heart. And there was an error in that

28:36and it caused considerable pain and prolongation of recovery. And frankly, I don't think she knew the, the impact of, of the long term impact of that. I frankly, I don't know if that was done robotically. It may have well been. And if so, you know, that's a negative instance of that, of that situation. Yeah. So anyway, that's much I can say. Well, I appreciate that. It's thoughtful, thoughtful thoughts. Appreciate that, Joe. Thank you. This is interesting. I looked up driverless cars and the robot taxis. And it says here, 68% fewer police reported crashes. So it's roughly three times lower crash involvement with AI with with these self-driving cars. And these are the one, these are the way most the ones that were there is not a human being involved. Right. It's this is purely self-driving vehicles. 81% fewer injury crashes, 85% fewer single vehicle crashes. Yeah. That's that's significant. Yeah. It's a dramatic difference. And then

29:43there's some more information with so that that's considered a level four driverless robot taxi. And then level two would be your Tesla like the autopilot, but there needs to be a human being behind the front seat. And Nancy and I rode in one of those. We went from the airport in Miami to where were we going? We were going to Fort Lauderdale. And our friend who owned the Tesla was driving, but he wasn't driving. He just put in to the to the console, the address where they were where we were going. And then he just sat back and turned around and talked to us and the car did everything. It changed lanes. Keep your eyes on the road, man. It slowed down when there was traffic on the freeway. And you were to get off the freeway. It parked. It did every single thing. And he just was sort of like looking back into the back seat where we were seated and talking in the car. It was the weirdest feeling. I've never been in a situation like that before, but the car was flawless. It's like we're living in the not too distant future. Yeah. I have a note here. This

30:48is from Luis. He says, if only AI pilots up. Okay. I think he means it if the plane is piloted only by AI in the future, there will be no pilots. Of course, the same could be set of all professions. I was watching a show called air disasters last night in the episode I watched was about a fire that broke out in the cockpit and shut down all the systems, navigation instruments, etc. Can you imagine what happened? Could you imagine that happening when there's no human who could take over? Of course, even with the humans there, planes do go down. But why would we leave ourselves with AI is the only option, even if the AI does all the work that pilots may become too comfortable and forget how to do their jobs. Good point, Luis. When I first read your email, I thought of that example, the Swiss air flight back in the 90s that there was an onboard fire that started with the entertainment console somewhere out along the way. And then there's smoke in the cockpit. And then it was it caught on fire. It was a horrible thing. And the pilots had to leave the cockpit

31:52because they couldn't stay up there and everybody died because that plane came down as a result of the fire. So I'm not like Mr. Apologist for AI, but let me pose another way of looking at this. Going back to the AI that has instantaneous access to all training, all aviation training, all the simulator training, all the what ifs. If this happens, do this, do that, do the other. Those pilots, especially they're afraid, they're hearts are pounding, they're trying to concentrate, maybe they're smoking the cockpit, they've got their checklist, they're working the checklist. The AI can do a trillion more calculations and access all the possible information to fix the problem far beyond anything those two pilots could do under duress like that because the AI is not under duress. It doesn't care. So I could see just to kind of push it in that direction that there may be

32:58a benefit where you've got an AI. Now would we still want to have a human being supervising? I think I would. I think most people probably would. But if that AI could instantaneously access in troubleshoot a problem like that in no far beyond what a human being could do in the moment, that sounds pretty good to me. How about you, Cyrus? What do you think about that? Terrible scenario to think about, but Cyrus has no opinion. He's shaking his head. 88, 914, 9149. Let's go to Patrick's been waiting patiently in the Central Valley, California. Good morning, Patrick. Hello, Patrick. You're on the air. Patrick and Central Valley going once. Hey, morning, Patrick. Going twice. Oh, there we go. Here's a situation. Yes, come on in. Yeah, I'm ready. Hit me. Yes. There we go. Morning. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

34:04I am driving. No problem. Yeah, so I started our classes on my wife and I and I met a comment last night. Also, the comments somebody else made and it's just kind of my how I think it was about creation. And then we got on to the follow creation. And I commented, I wonder, do I ponder this? That before creation, you know, there wasn't venomous animals. There weren't animals that needed to kill, you know, things on a perfect level. I wonder if mosquitoes, we wonder what mosquitoes their purpose are. I made a comment. I wonder if before the fall, instead of transmitting harmful bacteria and viruses that they would transmit productive DNA, you know, to fix defects and

35:09anomalies that would occur. I don't know what does my comment. Yeah. I wonder what if, like the Bible doesn't talk about that. Neither does the ketoketis and any of the information that we have. Neither does it talk about the constellations and, you know, the mysteries when we look up in the space. I have other thoughts about that. You know, maybe that's the word that I thought mentioned. It mentioned during class because he brought it up, like at least three times, like Patrick mentioned, you know, about that. It's not really, you know, we don't find it in here. And I said that, you know, that I understand that it's not in there. It's just there's a lot of things that we don't know about and the Bible doesn't tell us about. But it's creation that God gave us to ponder and wonder. Because so the bottom line question is, you know, am I being a more of a disruption, bringing up those types of thoughts? Well, that's a really good question as a matter of fact. And the reason I say that is because O CIA is the place to get to know the basics of the faith

36:13to make a decision, typically, as to whether or not you want to become Catholic. So the average person is there for that. The reason it could be disruptive is what you're talking about is known as speculative theology. And that's an important thing. And theologians do in some ways engage in that. And some benefits can be found by engaging in speculative speculative theology to see if we can draw inferences that would be true based upon explicit things in divine revelation that are true. Some inferences we can draw from that. So for example, that we call our lady, the mother of God, that they Otoco's in Greek because the person born to her is God. So that would be an inference as a way of, by way of example. But to your question, I suspect that those kind of questions of speculative speculative theology are not the kind of questions the people in O CIA are interested in

37:14hearing about. They're interested in hearing what are the teachings of the church so that I can prepare to come into the Catholic church. So I'm not against speculative theology at all, but that may not be the right forum for it. Okay, yeah, that's kind of my, my thoughts as well because there's lots of new Catholics come to the class to get their communion baptism, you know, to be confirmed. Is there any place that that would be a good outlet for something like that within the church? Well, you could start a sub stack and you could muse on the sub stack and invite your listeners to interact with you. That's one way. So being out in public used to be blogs and everybody in his brother had a blog. Now it's sub stack and everybody in his brother has a sub stack. I do. So that's an outlet. If you wanted something more structured, you could have a discussion group, maybe at the parish, you could get something going where people who were interested in discussing

38:17topics like that could get together. That's a possibility. You can call a radio program and kick it around with the host like that. I just might do something like that. That's a good one. You know, because there's other things that I think about and you know, and then I watch a scientific paper, I go, that's what I was talking about. You know, so I don't know how to explain some of the things I'm talking about, but I try to. So thanks for your time Patrick. I'll be calling you again. I spend a lot of time going up and down the central valley. Well, drive safe, Patrick. 10 and 2, 10 and 2. I'll be right back. Charlie mobile. Our show sponsor has no contracts. Has never raised plan prices and a percentage of your plan price goes to relevant radio or another pro life charity. New customers can mention Patrick for a free phone offer. Info at charity mobile.com slash Patrick. That's charity mobile.com slash

39:21Patrick. Get connected to the conversation. Call now 888 914 9149. That's 888 914 9149. Patrick Madrid is on now. Relevant radio. All right. Do some more phone calls here. We'll go to Kaley and Plymouth, Minnesota. Good morning, Kaley. Hi Patrick. Hello. So my question is about your family. So you have 11 kids here on earth. And that's beautiful. My husband and I have one one on earth and two and having one on the way. And we want the way on the baby on the way. Thank you. We have a two year old. We like to do birthday parties for her. And you have 11 kids. So I just wondering what you did for their birthdays. If you invited extended family for each birthday. If you what that looked like. Because that's a lot, a lot of life to celebrate. So what did you?

40:28Well, it was kind of a mix and match as I cast my mind back down memory lane. So when they were little typically birthday parties where their friends would come over and bring presents and they'd be birthday cake and candles and games and things like that. And kids age out of that phase of birthday parties. But we did a lot of those for sure. So throughout the year, there were a lot of birthday parties, you know, going on. And then as they aged out of that, then it might be just, you know, Nancy would make a nice meal with whatever that child's favorite dish was. And more often than not, we'd have a birthday cake celebrated that way. Sometimes it would just simply be have a lot of relatives over. And we'd celebrate that way. But there was no one single way of doing it. That's what I mean, sort of mix and match. Yeah, depending on the age and and what was going on at the time. So nothing spectacular. I'm afraid. No, yeah, no, that makes sense. So it wasn't like your kids were expecting.

41:32Like, because I just think, okay, when the siblings grow up, they'll be like, well, Tom had a birthday party with with your aunt and uncle or whatever. And they weren't able to come, but I want them to come to my birthday party or like good. How was the sibling? Oh, I see what you mean. Like keeping score kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember that ever happening. I mean, maybe it did in the background. I just was unaware of it. But I don't remember ever hearing or seeing any of the kids keeping score like that. And the more children you and your husband have, I'm guessing the more just the fun of the birthday party and if Graham and Grandpa come over or you know, you have a picnic at the park or I mean, the one I remember most, I don't know why. And this wasn't even my kids. But my younger sister, I'm the oldest of eight, but one of my younger sisters, I remember I was probably about four or five somewhere in there four. And for her first birth, no, I know it was, it was a younger

42:34sister, not the one I'm thinking of. So I was six. And I remember that the quote-unquote birthday party for her on her first birthday was simply this. My mom made a big beautiful chocolate cake that I really wanted to be a piece of. And she spread out a tablecloth, the kind that's got the waterproof plastic on one side and felt on the bottom. She spread out a tablecloth and she sat my sister down in the middle of that and she put the cake in front of her and let her dive into it and destroy it and eat it. And that really, I've never forgotten that. That was very impressive to me. Yeah. Six years old. Oh, yeah, that's special. I think nowadays with the birthday parties and stuff, there's so much expectation. Like a theme for each kid and invite all the friends and there's sometimes friends don't come. And so there's disappointment. And I don't know. So I just have been thinking a little bit about that. But that insight helps flatten. Thank you for

43:38answering questions and you and Cyrus are great. Thank you guys almost every day. So may God grant you and your husband many happy years together and many happy healthy babies. Thank you. You're welcome. You might try that. Who knows when you have a one-year-old give that cake a try put it on put your baby down on a on a tablecloth put the cake down and see what happens. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. All right. Thanks. All right. Bye-bye. Let's go to Debbie now and miss again. Thank you for your patience. Debbie, welcome. Thank you, Patrick. My mom passed away recently and I am Catholic by the way. But my mom passed away a few days ago and she was not religious. I mean, she stays to church where little kids look at Protestant church. But she really kind of was against it all. And I'm just wondering is that just an automatic L or how does that work in your opinion or you know, I can't of course speculate on where your mother may have gone. We hope for the best.

44:42Right. And as you well know, you pray for God's mercy on her soul. And that's really all you can do. I mean, we could speculate. I don't see how that would help especially as you're grieving. And I'm so sorry about your mom passing away. I made she rest in peace. Thank you. Must be very difficult for you. My thought would be the best thing is especially now as you're grieving and it's so fresh is that you just implore the Lord to have mercy on her soul. And the answer ultimately boils down to this. If she died in the state of grace, friendship with God, true contrition, perfect contrition for her sins, then she would die in the state of grace and be saved. Normally you achieve the state of grace. If you have a serious sin on your soul through the sacrament of confession or baptism first, of course, but then the sacrament of confession. But the church also points out that there may be those who are objectively in the

45:45state of mortal sin, but who by God's grace have a moment of lucidity and they freely accept and cooperate with God's grace for their salvation and that these things happen unknown to us. And that I would say that's what we can and should hope for. The God and His mercy will have given your mom an opportunity to have that choice to say, I'm sorry for my sins, Lord. I love you. And I want to be with you, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's what I would hope for. And trust in God's mercy and pray, pray, pray. You'll find out when you get to heaven, but in the meantime, keep praying for your mom. All right. Thank you, Patrick. Is it tough subject for people to talk about? So thank you. No doubt. Well, you have my sincere condolences. Thank you, Patrick. Yeah. Thank you. How about Bob now in St. Louis? Hello, Bob. Hi. Good morning, Patrick. Enjoy your show. I just a real quick question. We've heard a lot about

46:47Dolly Parton and Lisa Clancy in the last couple of weeks. Yet I've never heard anything about their religious convictions if they've ever expressed any. And I'd like to know what religion do they claim? That's the first question. The second question is these books that Dolly Parton was distributing to children. I just wondered if any of those books might have promoted an LBGTQ agenda. And if they did, shame on Dolly. But that's my question. And you and Cyrus have a great day. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. I can't speak for anybody else. We haven't delved into those topics much at all. And the only way I could know it would be the same for you too would be to look it up to see what does Google have to say. So while you were asking the question, I did look up Lindsey Clancy and it says there have been reports about her Catholic upbringing. But doesn't appear that there was any, I'm paraphrasing her, doesn't appear that there was anything

47:52significant about her being Catholic. So maybe she didn't practice any religion. I don't know. Dolly Parton, I assume, was a generically evangelical Protestant Christian. I don't have any reason to think she was Catholic. So without double checking that way, I would have no way of knowing. So Google is your friend, that's for sure. 88, 914, 9149. Let's go to Philip now in Nevada. Good morning, Philip. Good morning, sir. How are you? I'm well, thank you. Good. I have a couple of questions. Maybe three questions. Anyway, just very quickly. If we're praying and we're not in the state of grace, do our prayers have any effect or any, are they valid if we're praying when we're not in a state of grace? Well, yes and no. So yes, if you are praying out of a sincere repentant heart and you are asking God to forgive you, even though you're in the state of mortal sin, if that weren't true, then we would all be doomed. If God would not hear the prayer of a contrite heart, somebody who's deep in sin,

48:58then there's no hope for any of us. So yes, if that's what's happening, but let's say that you're steeped in mortal sin, you have no intention of repenting, no intention of going to confess or anything like that, but you're hoping that you win the lottery or that you get a raise or that, you know, some other thing might happen, then no, God would not hear prayers like that. He would hear them because there's nothing that can be known that God doesn't know, but in terms of like listening attentively and, you know, willing to respond to your prayer, no, not in that sense. I met more along the lines of praying for the well being as someone. Anyway, also, if, oh, what was that question? I'm sorry. It's okay. It slipped my mind here. Is it pertained to that first question? You said you had three. It is yet. So, so if if it's God's will, if someone's suffer for their well being, for whatever reason,

50:04whatever God's will is for a person or persons, and you pray for their recovery, their healing, I don't want to pray to be in contradiction to God's plans for that person's improvement or that person's sanctity or whatever it is or conversion, I feel like if I'm praying for someone to be healed or for their well being or their protection or whatever it is, well, well being I suppose if someone's suffering, I don't want to be in the, I don't want to pray against God's will for that person to be healed for that person to be, to be a better person whatever God's plan is for that person that's, if it's suffering, I don't want to pray that person doesn't suffer anymore if that's what God wants for that person for their, you know, sanctity or whatever it is. I think I have to jump in only because we're going to run out of time here. The music's going to start. So my thought on that would be Jesus says, ask your father for in heaven for what you need. He already knows before you ask him what you need, but ask him

51:09anyway, that's in Matthew chapter 6 and he gives us the prayer, our father in Matthew chapter 6 as well. So this teaching of Jesus that we should ask our father in heaven for those things that we want, even if it may not be his will, but as long as we ask with the sense of Lord, I'm asking for this and praying for this and if it be your will, please fulfill this petition of prayer. I think that's the way to thread the needle on that question. Good one though. Thank you. We have a treat for you. It's an AI related treat. You don't want to miss it. It involves me in Fulton Sheen and AI right after this.