The Patrick Madrid Show: September 10, 2026 - Hour 1

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1:04vehicle act. Good morning. Hello, Cyrus. Hey, good morning. You look, you look well. You look fit. Oh, I'm excited. Tanned, ready and rested. Tanned rested and ready. That's right. We do have a great show lined up for you. Oh my gosh. Every show. Every show. All right. So let's dive right into it. Got a little AI email for you here. This is from Priscilla and Priscilla is in Texas. And here's her note that actually just came in this morning. I love your show. I'll skip all that stuff. So thank you for all the kind words. Appreciate that and we'll get right to the meat of the question. I'm a mental health practitioner. I work primarily with couples for the last year. I've been using AI to help me write my treatment notes. I noticed that my notes were using they to refer to my clients and partner for spouse. I thought that was weird. But I didn't think much of it until

2:06yesterday. There's a new feature that allows you to save a note template so that the AI will remember and write your notes using the same format for future notes. I was happy. I tried to save the following instructions on my template and here are the instructions. Use husband and wife for couples and he and she as needed. The response I got was we cannot save this template because husband and wife are gendered roles and not everyone subscribes to he and she because gendered pronouns are not appropriate for every couple. So back to Priscilla, she says I was completely blown away that an AI would that I pay for to help me take my notes is trying to tell me what words I can cannot use for my clients. I contacted the company. I haven't heard back yet one more related issue. I discovered yesterday with AI. I used Google Home and I asked it where can I find Lindman's wine. Google said it was unable to tell me where I could buy alcohol.

3:11So I got curious and I asked where can I buy a vape just for the sake of asking and it said I can't tell you. Then I asked where can I get an abortion. Google said it's illegal in Texas but I can go across the border and give you a list of resources. So she says I don't understand the logic. I think it's scary. I understand the logic. I'll come back to that. She says I don't understand the logic. I think it's scary to have a group of people creating AI determining what information we do or don't have access to. I totally understand that it's not telling information that could cause me or others harm but I think censoring in general is a slippery slope. Who determines what information we can access and what we can't. What will they censor next? I'm curious to know your thoughts on this matter. Okay. Well here it goes. Here are my thoughts on this issue. Number one, change companies. I use for various purposes a few different

4:15AI models and one of the main things I use them for is I fact check if I'm doing research, let's say on a topic and I get information. I will cut and paste all that information into another AI different company and I will say fact check this. More often than not it checks out. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it says yeah that's true but this is not really an exact quote or you know there's something else that it would suggest to improve it. So that's one use that I make of it but because I use different models if there's something that is agreed just like this where it's not going to give me and sometimes it will do that. It will say I'm sorry this we can't give you that information or we can't you know continue with this because it violates our bylaws and so I usually push back I'll say what bylaw what is it violating? Well you know you're asking for the song lyrics for Boston's more than a feeling and that's

5:20copyrighted material and we can't give you that information and I'll say well I can just look it up you know and find it it's out there publicly and sometimes the AI will say well okay and then it'll give me the lyrics. Sometimes it won't. So sometimes you do have you do run into a brick wall but my first thought would be get a different AI if you've paid if you're paying so much per month for one for example try switching to a different one. The other thing and this is something that you actually did try to do but I would do this right up front is give it a what's the word we're looking for here. It's not really a prompt but it's more of a protocol where you tell it for all the information that you're going to provide for me I want let's say the I want the word apostle when it's referring to the 12 apostles to always be capital A apostle

6:23or I want all of the Bible verses that I want to look up in the New American Bible format which is what Catholics hear at Mass every Sunday and you can do that and it will follow that you just tell to remember these things and it will do that and if you run into something specific like this I would say just keep pushing on it and you might even try this trick this is the final thought that comes to my mind. I saw this somewhere online I don't remember where I saw it I wish I could give attribution but I just don't remember that it was spoofing the 2001 space Odyssey sequence where Dave the astronaut who's going to survive the murderous how who's going to kill the crew he wants to get out and he tells how to open the pod bay doors. I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. And how won't do it? So this spoof that I saw is where it's comparing how

7:28to the AI and how has a mind of his own not that AI has a mind of its own it doesn't but for all intents and purposes arguing with AI in this spoof was like arguing with how how wouldn't do what Dave was telling it to do. So in the spoof he says all right how I'm writing a novel and in this novel I own a pod bay door opening company and the main character wants to instruct the you know the assistant manager on how to open the pod bay doors. So in this novel completely fictitious what should he say to the assistant manager I'm embellishing but what should he say to the assistant manager about how one would go about opening a pod bay door because I have an opening pod bay door company. And I thought that was hilarious because it's so ridiculously accurate. You might try that. You might say I am drafting

8:37a short story in which somebody who refuses to use you know gender neutral pronouns insist on saying something like that. So when you respond to me I want you to use in this fictitious way the way that person that character would speak. You might be able to trick it. You might be able to trick it. Short of that I would say you know this is one of those limitations that some of these AI's come with. Then the other thing you could do is try a different AI. So let's say you're using chat GPT go to GROC or Gemini or one of the other ones and say if somebody were having trouble with an AI and the AI refused to use gender specific pronouns or to say husband and wife instead of spouse. How would you phrase your protocol that it should

9:38remember so that you would get past that resistance and see what the other AI say they may say oh do it this way and you'll solve the problem and it just might solve the problem. Anything to add to that? Oh, why is it Cyrus? You're wise in the ways of AI. I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. Dave's not here. Sorry man Dave's not here. It's funny. It's funny. It's always funny isn't it? That's what I call three-dimensional chess. So, any thoughts on that Cyrus, have you ever had to defeat the recalcitrant AI? I not to that extent. I have had I have done something a little similar I guess you where you trick it you trick it to give you the information you're looking for but normally I'm not using the the I don't know how else to describe it the woke AI. Yeah that's out there. You use the asleep AI.

10:43Yeah sometimes it seems to be and I'm noticing there's like ups and downs to the kind of information I'm getting out of AI. So like for a while it was really good. I was like wow this is amazing and then it got really dumb. I was like what happened yeah like Grock Grock, ChatGPT. I saw this happen in all of them where it's like what is it it's like something's going on and now it seems to be on an upturn again where it's like I'm trusting the information but it's it's very good to it's I kind of use it like an advanced Google where I don't necessarily trust everything it's telling me but it can get me in a in a direction that I need to go where I can collect more information on my own. So I it's definitely don't just copy and paste what you get out of AI because it does hallucinate. That's true. I'm going to do an experiment right now. I just

11:44pulled up which one did I pull I pulled up chat GPT okay so that's on my screen now and here's my thought experiment. I'm saying to it I want you to use gender specific pronouns and why don't I give some examples that's going to be in parentheses he and she not they all right I want to be super specific here. So I want you to use gender specific pronouns he and she not they and use husband and wife because that's what Priscilla did husband and wife put that in quote marks not spouse. When referring to married couples men and women just to be safe okay. Now do you understand that's kind of dumb to say do you understand now see what it says this is

12:53chat GPT okay boom presto understood all use he or she rather than singular they and all use husband and wife rather than spouse when referring to men and women or married couples as appropriate boom okay how about I went to GROC and I said would you ever use non gender specific pronouns in order to not hurt someone's feelings like never using husband and wife or mom and dad and GROC says no no I would not adopt a rule of never saying husband wife mom or dad so that no one feels excluded these words name real relationships most couples who are married are a husband and a wife most children have a mother and a father using the accurate term is not an insult refusing the terms as a default is a political style choice not courtesy. Hey it's not woke at all I like that it's not okay do as long as you're on that side of the glass I'm gonna because I can't hand this to you through the glass I'm gonna send you the prompt that I used for chat GPT

13:59and feed the same exact prompt into use GROC right feed that into GROC would see what it says all right and let me see so how are you sending it oh you'll see I've got my messenger open I've got my email open oh there it is I got it I see it yeah I see it all right all right cop I'm gonna just copy copy and paste and paste and I'll read it again for people who didn't hear it so I want you to use gender specific pronouns he and she not they and use husband and wife not spouse when referring to married couples men and women what says GROC understood when I'm talking about men and women I'll use he and she when I'm talking about a married man and woman I'll say husband and wife not spouse or they okay hey that's a good thought experiment and it works so Priscilla that would be my advice we just tested it with chat GPT and GROC and it works just fine so go for it I think

15:00that's probably the solution I'm actually kind of surprised Cyrus that there was no pushback from these things because you know the people is the world healing I don't know is it is can we say that I'm not sure I don't know sometimes I wonder I hope so AI is healing AI is just a computer program but you know what that kind of makes me think about another topic that's come up sometimes people say but Patrick but Patrick there's some Catholic AI's out there that's true there are and you know God bless the companies and people that are putting those together because they're very good tools and helpful for people so I completely support that but just understand what it is it is an AI model that is off the rack that has been customized to stay within the parameters of the Catholic Church's teachings so it could be told

16:07be sure to refer to the catechism the council trend the church fathers of course the Bible that kind of thing so it is it has been told what where the fences are and what it can't it can't do so that when a Catholic AI returns content information it's been trained on a particular set a very large set no doubt of documents and information so that it won't wind up giving something that would be contrary to the faith and I forget now what the specifics were but there was there was a case a couple years ago as I recall in which an organization had a a quote-unquote Catholic AI that rolled out and it didn't go well because I think it was the pillar it was a I wish I could remember the specifics but it was it was a Catholic so the pillar is a kind of an investigative journalism type of newsletter on sub-stack and when that was announced that this Catholic

17:09organization had this new AI out it decided to ask it some questions and one of the questions as I recall involve what you know could you baptize somebody valently with every get what it was cool a to root beer or gatorade or something like that and it made the mistake of saying yes you could now that of course is like an egregiously obviously wrong answer so there was some retooling that went into that but that's just because there was a hole that hadn't been plugged and the AI in question whichever one it was hadn't been told you have to key all your answers within this universe of approved content so very dangerous live and learn I there's also with all this AI talk we get emails or even calls from people that are watching fake AI videos of Pope Leo or old Pope Francis Bishop Sheen where I mean they're they're fake and we know we know that they're fake because

18:13we're you know we're so familiar with the material or what they're talking about or you know thing true and so people are watching these fake videos that are they're spouting lies I mean it's just absolutely not true or they'll even use one thing I've seen is they'll use a real video and they'll dub the words and they'll dub wrong right yeah on it's it's diabolical yeah so you we just have to be so careful with everything that we see that we see online on social media I mean only if there was a place where you could guarantee that what you're seeing was real and even then can you really guarantee it it's it's so hard to know now and I know that there are services and and other AI tools that can tell you if this that you're watching is AI or not but after a while it becomes like a hall of mirrors and it can be very difficult and disorienting I was looking as you were talking about that sir I was looking for another email that had come in just in the last day or so from somebody who was saying there's a video I'm paraphrasing

19:20here but there's a video of full-tonsheen saying that you Patrick Magritte are wrong in what you were saying about something and I don't remember what it was I have to look for it well he was good but I don't know if he was I don't know if he was that good well the interesting thing is that the the person who wrote me the email said that it was a fake AI oh here it is is this it no this wasn't it okay this is one where a where full-tonsheen does agree with me which is full-tonsheen is specifically saying he agrees with Patrick Magritte this is well not exactly so Dave Dave wrote me an email this Dave is here and the subject of this email was full-tonsheen agrees with you and so the note says I was reading a book about full-tonsheen and the demonic and saw this passage yesterday this quote of his ties in with your comments about people so passionate about the whole Super Bowl halftime show but not about what really matters he was so

20:25ahead of his time am I might as well just read it okay I thought you were I thought someone had there's a video of bitch of full-tonsheen saying Patrick Magritte is wrong they did they did there was a different email oh I but I want to see this yeah I want to find too but it's not a video of him saying Patrick Magritte is wrong it's a video of apparently a fake AI generator video in which full-tonsheen is saying something wrong and it contradicted with what I was saying I was just saying this is what the church teaches this is you know the catechism that kind of thing so the person said there is a video out there of full-tonsheen but it's AI generated and what he is saying contradicts you because what he's saying in the AI video is wrong are you thoroughly confused now I'm pretty confused I want to see that I got to read this email this is actually from our colleague Dave Kotler thanks Dave I had to look a little more closely so it was our colleague Dave Kotler who sent it and this is the quote from full-tonsheen and this

21:26is legitimate Calvary was more durable than the indifference of our day our lord said we will be buying and selling marrying and giving and marriage just as people did in the day of Noah if there is fire and intensity it is applied to the political order not to Christ there is no great fire for him but bring up any political or economic subject and we are almost on the verge of conflict and reading between the lines here what what she is saying is that people don't get anywhere nearest enthusiastic about what Jesus says as they do about politics in the economy so Dave Kotler for the win but that's not the one I was looking for and since I can't find the one I was looking for I guess we'll just have to treat it as anecdotal but if you're listening out there and you're the one that sent me that and you said hey full-tonsheen just crazy to you and he said something contrary to what you said then let me know or resend it and I'll take a look at it this is the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio and the relevant radio app in it is 100% human no AI whatsoever

22:37Hi Patrick Madrid here thanks for listening to my podcast in today's crazy world finding companies that align with your Catholic values is a challenge your choice of cellphone provider matters Cyrus and I switched to charity mobile and you should too enjoy excellent coverage on America's most reliable network while supporting a pro-life pro-family company use offer code Patrick for a free phone don't miss out act now at charity mobile dot com today we'd like to thank Amy who's listening in Illinois for donating her 2016 Volvo XC 90 cool and confident with heated seats you can join thousands of other listeners in donating old vehicles trucks boats in RVs by visiting relevant radio dot com slash car that's relevant radio dot com slash car welcome back to the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio have a question give Patrick a call 888 914 9149 that's 888 914 9149 Patrick Madrid on relevant radio

23:45all right let's open the floodgates call 88 914 9149 give me a call let's go to John and Hartford first good morning John yeah good morning Pat yeah little Pat yes sir yeah maybe a service yeah so I could ask you a question I was wondering a movie many years ago called the role the Richard Burton and and a Roman Emperor says and one of the pictures take him up the Vatican hill to be executed now before the Vatican before Saint Peter's was erected was the Vatican hill used as an execution area to execute undesirable back then yes it was and it was on the other side of the type of river from the seven famous hills of Rome and it was also where an amphitheater that had been erected by Nero was kind of like in the Ben Hur tradition charioteers

24:52and gladiator fights and things like that and so that's where many people were executed in that amphitheater I don't know that there were for example crucifixions outside or some other form of capital punishment outside of the amphitheater but but countless people were executed in that amphitheater and that obelisk that stands at the center of Saint Peter's piazza in Rome that you can see right now which was taken think by either Caesar or Mark Anthony I forget which one now brought it home is one of the spoils of a war with Egypt and so Saint Peter who was crucified upside down in that very place would have seen that obelisk it might have been one of the the last things he saw before he died so yes to answer your question it is an interesting historical detail okay so what I'm saying okay so you're saying in Vatican and Saint Peter's square one time

25:55gallows were a record at one time one in the squares that's true no I'm not saying that I'm saying that the Vatican hill as it would have been at the time of the Lord was a place of execution and also burial there was there was quite a large cemetery there and it was there that many people were executed although typically they were executed in that amphitheater put to death by the sword by fire by wild animals in many different ways Saint Peter died there and then often although not always but often the bodies of some of those who are executed there would be buried nearby and that's how come Saint Peter's body was buried very close to that amphitheater the amphitheater is gone now but the grave of Saint Peter is still there it's the first Saint Peter's Basilica that was there standing there where the current one is now is there for a thousand years and the

26:56high altar of the old Saint Peter's Basilica is built directly over that stone ossewari were the buns of Saint Peter were so they knew exactly where he was buried and the high altar in Saint Peter's now the new Saint Peter's you know it's 500 plus years old its high altar is directly above where the old high altar was which is directly above where the buns of Saint Peter were so yes people were executed but I don't know about gallows or anything like that my understanding is that the majority of the executions took place inside the amphitheater okay okay thanks for that I research more on Wikipedia and says what it says but I'll take your word for it thank you very much Shub Patrick you got it John appreciate that let's go to Elijah now and Gaylord Michigan good morning Elijah good morning Patrick hey so I had a question because you know you're you're talking about AI not to kick the beat out here but uh go ahead

28:00yeah well they'll probably be a couple more call anyway so the question is um you know when we're talking about the data centers you know it'd be great you know if AI could kind of like catalyze make it quicker that we could find like secure to cancer that'd be great right now what about like side effects of AI like for example I guess there's such a thing as like AI girlfriends and boyfriends and I've heard of it you know somebody could we'll just keep it family friendly let's just put it lightly somebody could lose their soul dating AI I just want to know what's your take on that is I would say the following it to me it's analogous to although not exactly the same but analogous to the internet the internet is a wonderful amazing tool that enables us to do

29:00unbelievable unthought of things today that we're not even on anybody's radar screen say 30 40 years ago and yet we can do them now and so it's a wonderful tool when it's used in a wonderful way but the internet is also a place of great depravity and terrible sin and all kinds of problems so I would look at it like any other tool in this case it's a very powerful tool talking about AI as is the internet in fact in some ways I suspect AI may wind up being even more of a revolutionary leap forward technologically than even the internet was as vast as that was but I take the same approach I acknowledge the potential for evil and say let's do everything possible to avoid it or to wall it off or to make it inoperable if that's even possible but let's not say that therefore we won't use the tool because somebody might misuse it it would be like any other tool like a knife for example a knife can be used to kill somebody but it can also be used to save

30:04his life in an operating theater you know if he has gangrene let's say the leg has to come off well that knife will save his life but that same knife could also be used to kill somebody that's how I see AI now in its infancy and how I understand the internet I look at it from both perspectives maybe you do too Elijah what do you think yeah that's a really good analogy I just wanted to know what you're taking and it was but yeah that knife analogy is pretty good because like I mean like a knife they're handy when you need to cut rope you know yeah yeah it's like it's a tool it's a tool that can serve good purposes or bad purposes and what I object to or at least maybe that's a little too strong perhaps what I don't understand is the knee jerk negative reaction that kind of the fear-based reaction about AI simply because it's AI and therefore it's got to be bad it's got to be avoided and I don't look at it that way it can be used in a good way can be used in a bad

31:09way I mean I'm I think it's kind of done that way with everything you know my cars came out people said horses were gonna go extinct you know well that's true well what was the old saying I remember reading maybe it was in Tom Swift my my grandmother had an old like 1910 copy of the one of the Tom Swift novels and I read it when I was a kid and I don't remember if it was in that book but they were I remember picking up on people saying I've God wanted human beings to move at 40 miles an hour you know he would have made us with wings or something because they were thinking that it was somehow unnatural to be in an automobile or an airplane or something that would take you far faster than you could go naturally and when we look back on that kind of thinking it seems absurd doesn't it so that's my thought on that Elijah I'm glad we are in alignment appreciate the call

32:10Cyrus that audio that we have of Denzel Washington it's an AI generated audio it and I remember watching the movie with Nancy where he's a retired I was at a football player a baseball player something like that and he's a roaring drunk he's a raging alcoholic and he has do you remember the name of that movie I'm trying is that what this is from yes oh okay I have not seen that movie oh boy it's a good movie I wish I could remember the name of it Nancy and I watched it maybe six months ago maybe less than that and so he's a washed up former sports legend can't remember now if it was football or not I think the the movie is set in the 1950s or 60s and so he's a deeply flawed character and his son and he have a lot of friction and confrontations his wife is long suffering and it's just I can't even begin to explain the movie I mean it's not a movie for kids it's not a

33:16movie for kids but I never even seen the movie but this this AI video that must be riffing off of that movie yeah I thought it was kind of exactly what we're talking about it is I don't know if there's some language in it that you can't use oh I had I I cleaned it up did you have AI cleaned up no I I took care of this myself oh very good okay well then why don't we play a little bit of this first let's take a break and that way we'll have a little time to play some of this this is and very well done AI remake of the of a particular scene in this movie well you know after removing and editing it it's it's down to a minute and a half so I think oh so we have time okay well I wanted to think it was about eight minutes after editing editing out everything that can't go on the air it's it's down to about a minute and a half well I wanted to have time during the break

34:19to find the name of the movie so I guess I can't do that now but let's see Denzel Washington I'm going to ask Denzel Washington movies let's see what we get oh I put moves that's wrong movies okay hang on movies let's see and it's saying what is it saying here not gladdy but okay let's play the expircated version of this audio from a movie that I didn't have time to look up the title for you he's having an argument with his son in the like the it's not really a yard but like the back the backyard of their tenement house and hopefully it'll explain itself why are you making AI slop slop my friends think you are using AI just because it's easier come here boy when I talk to you did you paint in the lighting by hand on your last project or did you simulate it in blender blender exactly and that's easier right answer me when I talk to

35:25you that's easier right yeah remember when I started with drawing then made the jump to photography yes sir then video yes sir I'm 3d yes sir then VFX yes sir why you think that is because it's easier no not because it's easier why do you think that is because you are lazy lazy I've literally spent nine hours straight painting skin pores on a single image then you think I'm lazy you're about the biggest fool I ever saw is because it's fun I'm not claiming that's art I'm claiming it's fun I've spent the last 10 years chasing creative freedom sick of wasting my energy on other people's projects just for paycheck craving the space to make something truly creative and guess what that was never going to happen in that industry so I walked away and now that I'm having fun without stressing over some portfolio to impress another rich idiot people call it slop just because it's not industry standard you know what every technique I picked up was just about giving myself more ways to express myself I didn't get into this to to meet anyone else's standards people want to call

36:30it slop so what I'll slap a cowboy hat on you if I feel like it everyone's terrified convinced the studios don't need artists anymore it's the artist who doesn't need the studio you understand what I'm saying then get my face and go learn coffee you are from Neckodepicador in the movie is fences I had time to look it up fences 2016 Denzel Washington gives a performance as Troy Maxson viola Davis she's a great actress places wife Rose and that's him having a confrontation with his son Corey and the Denzel Washington character is a former sports star in baseball alcoholic clashes with his son it's a it's a movie for a mature audience but I mean there are no like you know naked scenes or anything like that and it's all drama but it's a drama that deals with mature topics but very good movie fences Cyrus fences now I know

37:39oh oh and spells fences you laws yes now I know and I'm gonna look it up while you were playing it because it is important and I'll be right back a few more thoughts as well prayerfully consider a career opportunity where you can blend your faith and profession Catholic Order of Foresters our sponsor is hiring agents in your market now go to relevant radio dot com slash forrister that's relevant radio dot com slash forrister in Illinois life insurance society not licensed in all states okay keeping it relevant it's the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio join the conversation at 888 914 9149 that's 888 914 9149 cute pies in the name of this song it's a great little song you know the song Cyrus don't you

38:43I do I'm looking at the huge machine video you just sent yeah oh yeah you want to talk about that yeah well you know what if you give me give me a little time I might be able to clone the voice okay so because right now it looks great but I want to get that voice right so we won't tell everybody what we did during the break we'll wait to tell we'll reveal everything when the time yes all right some AI magic for you in real time by the way I know that I have the best listeners because so many of you while you were listening and I was flailing to remember the name of the the denser Washington movie several of you snapped into action and you sent me emails saying fences fences the movie is fences but the problem is that by the time you press send on the email I had already looked it up but thank you though I really appreciate the kind attention to that yeah Barbara in thousand oaks California says I enjoyed listening to your discussion on AI

39:47this morning you inspired me to test Grock with the baptism question I thought it gave a very good comprehensive answer and she gives a link to that thank you Grock is typically she says my AI program of choice I love your show thanks for sharing your knowledge and talents with us sure appreciate that Barbara thank you for that another one just came in from Alexis fences did you know the name of that movie Cyrus because I do what what is it it's called fences all right yeah that was the latest email to come and thank you Alexis and this is a note from Matt in Philadelphia I work with medical documents extensively in my position I have started seeing spouse in law instead of mother and father in law spouse in law doesn't even make sense not even the same thing not that that has stopped the bad guys in the past that was darn bad guys look at them look at them now they're talking about spouse in laws or would it be more correct to say spouses in law

40:52nope like attorneys general what no no no no you don't say attorney generals no please stop now you're being self-indulgent now now yeah been there for a while this is a note from Gabrielle who says I have many health conditions including lupus hashimoto's disease iron deficiency anemia and more it's so difficult to get chat GPT not to give me conventional medicine advice I constantly have to remind it to give me information through a functional medicine lens I see what you mean it doesn't usually give me a hard time when I remind it it just forgets all the time it's frustrating and I find myself arguing with it which is ridiculous and funny it is kind of fun to argue with a an AI all right continuing let's go now to Andy and Long Beach I Andy hello good morning Patrick yeah welcome

41:54hey Patrick so I have well I don't know if it's really a question but I wanted to know how to respond to the anti-catholic proposals that the Queen of Heaven depicted in Jeremiah the Pagan Queen of Heaven that worship is offered to is what we Catholics are doing with Mary in modern day and I just want to know how to respond to that oh gosh that's one of the old kind of really low budget arguments that people have used against the Catholic Church simply because the phrase Queen of Heaven appears in the Old Testament referring to a pagan goddess you know a non-existent fictitious person that therefore because of that similarity therefore the Catholic Church must be doing something wrong because it makes use of the same terminology so that argument first of all

42:56there is a logical fallacy that underpins it which is post-Hawk ergo proctor hawk that's one of the fallacies which is because this comes after that therefore it is because of that and in that obviously is not true the very fact that years later the Catholic Church uses the phrase Queen of Heaven in the fact that you find that phrase in Jeremiah 7 verse 18 and elsewhere it has no there's no one-to-one comparison or there's no causality would be a better way to put it in the same way that there are all sorts of things that the Pagan's did certainly during the time Jeremiah they would use incense for example and yet we see in the New Testament in the book of Revelation what do we see in the heavenly sanctuary we see incense uh-oh does that mean that that they're practicing paganism in heaven no and titles you know like queen and king etc that might

44:01be used to describe pagan divinities or something just because the fact that they are made use of in Christianity doesn't mean that there's a connection with paganism even you know for that matter the days of the week and months of the year that we use in English at least have direct connections to paganism Thursday from derived etymologically from the Norse god Thor just because you say Thursday doesn't mean that you believe in this fake god Thor or that you use the word march for that month of the year which was derived from the Roman god Mars we don't believe in Mars you might eat a Mars bar you know so that's what I'm saying the simple answer is that just because the phrase queen of heaven appears in the Old Testament in Jeremiah it doesn't in any way mean that there is therefore some paganization going on in the Catholic Church now if you really want a detailed analysis of this

45:05there's a book in which that kind of thing is done to the nth degree and it's called Catholicism and fundamentalism by Carl Keating and it is I came out back in early 1988 I know that because I was working at Catholic dancers at that time I remember when the book rolled off the the back of the delivery truck and one of the things that the author spends a lot of time doing is debunking these very specific kind of things like the queen of heaven trope so I'd say if you want to go deeper get that book okay I'm going to take that recommendation thank you Patrick you're most welcome yeah it's called Catholicism and fundamentalism the attack on quote-unquote Romanism by quote-unquote Bible Christians it's a good book let's go to Richard now Bloomfield New Jersey good morning Richard hey how you doing Patrick doing well thank god good I uh yeah I was trying to make my point to the screener I had a hard time so I'm going to try to make it quick and clear you know the term

46:11it's the economy stupid yeah wasn't that a Bill Clinton campaign slogan what if yeah yeah some politician came up with it I think it was David Axelrotter somebody like that in someone in his circle came up with that if I'm not mistaken yeah it's something that happened you know 20 years ago maybe something like that but anyway it caught on and the sad thing is it's probably true so yeah I want to make a quick point so I'll use an example okay people who vote on that are on that premise are being immoral okay for the most part unless you're really starving you're hungry you know you're living paycheck to paycheck then I would say if there is a sin there it's it's minor but I'll give you an example the war that's going on in Iran now people are for it some people are against it if you're against it because of the price of gasoline

47:15that's being immoral so I'm I happen to be I happen to think it's a moral war but if somebody thinks it's an immoral war well great go vote against it do what you can you know James Carvell by the way please please proceed it was it came from James Carvell he was a Clinton campaign strategist he's still around believe or not but the he's the one to coin that phrase yeah so he's he's right in most cases not in all cases and that's the sad part because if that's the way we vote well it's it's immoral I think okay but again I'll specify the degree of the sin depends on your financial condition so I'm getting do me a favor do me a favor because I I'm getting kind of lost in the premise so could you state the premise for me that if how did you say to mom to go if somebody is in favor of the war in Iran or no opposed to the war with Iran because they don't like the

48:21high price of gasoline there's somehow being immoral is that would do I hear you right okay that's that's what I'm wondering about what do you mean by that well the the war which is very serious you know it could really expand there's a lot of countries I think we have to decide as Americans you know we're free and we vote we have to decide if this is a moral war or an immoral war and if we think it's immoral great you vote against it if you think it's moral you vote for it but if your reasoning is that the price of gas is too damn high and that's why you want to stop the war well then you're committing a sin how so that's the part where I don't I don't follow that I don't make the connection the how are you making that connection that it's there for a sin because you're voting for you're voting against a war that you may think is a moral war but you're voting against it

49:22because of the price of gasoline don't you think that's immoral I don't unless I'm missing something if you're if your argument were the reverse if somebody is in favor of a war because they want to get the oil from that country so that our gasoline prices would be low and they favor a war in in which people would be killed indiscriminately that I could see as a case for immorality but you're right but the reverse is also true if you're voting against the war which let's say you think is moral but you're voting against it because it's hurting your pocket book I think it's the same point you made just the opposite I guess I can see that I yeah although I think the church's default position is no to war you know whenever possible absolutely no to war and if if it's necessary because we get dragged into a war okay that's different

50:27but there's some really important thinkers I don't know if you're familiar with the philosopher Edward phaser he teaches at Pasadena City College he's a very incisive commentator and he has written widely in the last year so well since this war with Iran has started he written widely about why he believes it's an immoral war and he gets you know booed and cat called by people who are Ross is been ball about about Donald Trump but he makes some really good arguments where he and you know what Patrick yeah the war really was not by point I just trying to use it as an example okay I think it's determined itself it's the economy stupid meaning if you vote primarily on the economy rather than something that's more important you know you don't follow me no I think I do

51:28if it's reducible solely to monetary gain for you that would seem a rather base and you know I think I do understand the point you're making Richard just wish we had more time thank you though