The Patrick Madrid Show: September 08, 2026 - Hour 2

0:00Hi Patrick Madrid here, thanks for listening. Check out CharityMobile and prayerfully consider making them your wireless carrier. Mention offer code Patrick and get a free phone. Go to charitymobile.com. Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day, it's the Patrick Madrid show on row of the radio. All right, we are back 888-914-914. I call that number. We'll get you on the air with your comment or question. We'll start off in sparks Nevada and talk to Alice. Good morning, Alice. Good morning, Mr. Madrid. I had a quick question. I'm just a paleon, but I've listened to you for 14 years. I'll be here in Nevada that long next week. So, quick question. Why is it that Catholics have the tradition of relics? St. Lucis remains will be touring the US.

1:12I went to Lourdes by the way when I was in France in 1983. It is fabulous. I agree. It's a wonderful place, but I don't understand what the relics thing is all about. Yeah, it's understandable that you wouldn't understand because there are plenty of Catholics who don't understand it either, so it's a good question. I would say this. The simple thing is that as I referred to earlier in the program this morning, the body of a baptized Christian, and in particular, since I'm a Catholic, I'll speak about Catholic folk specifically here. The body of a baptized person has been hallowed in a unique way as the temple of the Holy Spirit. So, we give due honor, due reverence to the body for that sake alone. Now, upon death, we don't know whether somebody goes to heaven or hell. That's lost in eternity, at least lost as far as we're concerned.

2:17And outside of some special revelation that God might give, we don't know, which is why, in the Episcopal Church, you do the same thing. We do in the Catholic Church, which is we pray for the souls of those who have died, that if they're in purgatory, and that's a more Catholic thing here, but let's just say if they're in purgatory, as St. Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 3, beginning in verse 10, they're experiencing the suffering of having their, the sins of their lives purified. Jesus pays the penalty for our sin. We can't pay that. But the effects due to sin, St. Paul describes that these bad works are being burned away by fire, and the person experiences suffering. So, when we pray for the souls of those who have died, we're asking the Lord to shorten the time of suffering before they enter into heaven, because after all purgatories only a place where people who die in the state of grace might go, because there are only two ultimate destinies. There's either hell or heaven. For those who need extra purification before they see God face to

3:21face in heaven, as it says in Revelation 2127, nothing unclean can enter heaven. That's where that purification takes place. So, the reason I mention that is because we don't make relics out of the vast majority of people who die, and I'm talking here about Catholic folk for the moment, we don't make relics out of their bodies. We don't divvy up bones or anything like that. And the reason is because we don't know whether they are in heaven. We don't know. And so we hope for the best we pray for them, but we don't know. So, it would be improper. It would be inappropriate to venerate the relic of a body of somebody who may not be in heaven, who might even, unfortunately, be in hell. The distinction is between the vast majority of all of us, who when we die and go into eternity, people left on earth don't know what our ultimate

4:26destination is. We hope for the best we pray for them. But in the case of canonized saints, we do know. And that's a different category. So, relics are only four or of those canonized saints. Now, they may not have been formally canonized like Saint Paul was never formally canonized by the church, but he's still included in the group of canonized saints as are the apostles, etc. But what we see here is because we have evidence, and in the case of canonized saints nowadays, we have the further evidence or proof of miracles demonstrating that this person is in heaven. Then they are now in a different category in which we can say it is appropriate and proper for us to venerate their relics, not because of some morbid obsession or anything like that, but as a way to fulfill those biblical teachings about things like it is precious in the death of

5:26his loved ones, is precious in the eyes of God. And incidents such as the Moabite Raiders who were about to overtake a burial party, and they were going to bury this guy who was dead, and they didn't have time because the raiders showed up, so they flung his body into the tomb, where the bones of Elijah the prophet were, and when this corpse hit the bones, he came back to life. And we can argue and say, well, why would God do that? I don't know, but God did do that. And it was specifically because of the contact that was made miraculously with the bones of Elijah. That's probably the best relic story that I can think of. So that's the distinction. That for all the rest of us, it's not proper, it's not appropriate for that reason, but in the case of the saints, we do want to make their relics available. We want to proliferate them in any case,

6:28so that let's say a church dedicated to saint, I don't know, see St. Maria Gready might have in the altar stone, which is embedded in the altar itself, typically it would be a relic of the saint whose name the church bears as a reminder of Revelation chapter 6, where we see the martyrs under the altar in the heavenly sanctuary. So that's a short overview. There's much more that one could say, but I'll pause there. Does that help a little bit? Very, very much. Thank you so much and have a great rest of week. Thank you. Appreciate that. We'll go to Betty Ann now in Santa Clara, California. Good morning, Betty Ann. Hi, good morning Patrick. I have a question about the P.A. tail. I bought four of them because I have four daughters and I bought the fifth one for me, but I noticed that Mary was touching his knee and I understand that she's not supposed to touch his body because it's sacred. And one of them, he, her hand is out like offering his body to the

7:34world, but I did not buy it. I returned it. I bought it, but I returned it because she was actually touching his knee. Are you talking about the little blue booklet called the P.A. tail? It's a statue. Okay, got it because there is a very popular blue booklet that has that same name. So your concern is that in one rendition, she is touching the knee of Jesus. Is that right? With the cloth, with the cloth. And then the other one, she's actually touching his knee and the other one, she's offering her hand is out like offering his body to the world. Right. So the one that's in Rome, the one that's in Rome is when you, well, it may still be there. I think it is last time I was there, it's where it was. You come in the front doors of St. Peter's and you turn to the right and you'll see it there. It's in a glass case. So this is one of Michael

8:37Antelope's most famous carvings. And in that one, her left hand is extended out, kind of like showing, look what you've done to the Lord of life. Look what you've done to my son. And her right hand in the original at least is holding Jesus under his armpit. But there is a cloth, presumably it's part of her mantle, part of her veil or something that is between her fingers and his body. Now that's the way Michelangelo carved it. But it's not required. In other words, there's no theological requirement that her fingers not touch his body. That's how he carved it. That's his artistic depiction. But it's not, now some may say, well, he did it that way for a reason. Okay, fair enough. But there's nothing in the gospel. There's nothing in church teaching that says

9:37that the bless of Virgin Mary did not and should not have touched his skin after his crucifixion. That would be Pice folklore at best. Okay, so I can buy it when he's one on one right here on relevant radio, 88 914 9149. How about AJ now in Columbia, Maryland? Good morning, AJ. Yes, good morning, Patrick. First time call out here. Thank you. I just wanted to, well, first of all, thank you so much for sharing openly about your dad's Alzheimer's. My prayers are going to be with you and him. Thank you. I really appreciate it, especially for him and my mom. Yes, I will add her as well. So I wanted to ask this question. So I was a baby when 9-11 happened just a little over two months from turning two. And I've seen the videos and the horror of that day. But my generation has no personal memory of it.

10:41As you approach the 25th anniversary, it feels like we're facing a cultural Alzheimer's where the spiritual lessons of that tragedy are fading. How can young people like me keep those vital lessons alive and prevent the spiritual amnesia? That's a really deep question. I like it. And how did you say you were so you're under 25, right? I'm 26 right now. Oh, so you're a baby when 9-11 happened? Yeah, baby. Okay. It's hard for me to explain it in a way that somebody who didn't live through it could understand it. It doesn't mean that you can't understand it. But I would put it this way. It was so incredibly traumatizing for everybody all at once watching on TV, the attacks on the on the towers. And we didn't know right away how many people died in the

11:43towers when they collapsed. We didn't know. There's no way to know. It was only later that we discovered probably a great sense of collective relief that as horrible as 3,000 people dying that day is, there's no way to lessen the horror of it. I think at first most people assumed that those towers were filled with thousands of people. And so it could have been, did 50,000 people die? Did 40,000? We didn't know. But it was so traumatizing in a way that I can't really put into words that anybody who's an adult and side at the time can relate to, that it's one of those things where if you didn't experience, I don't see how somebody could appreciate what that trauma was like. If you ever talked to or maybe you've seen interviews with some of the the GIs who on D-Day and World War II, they stormed the beaches in Normandy and elsewhere.

12:50And if you saw Band of Brothers or if you saw a saving private Ryan, you see a Hollywood depiction of what it would have been like for them to come out of the troop carriers and hit the beach. And guys getting shot and blown up left and right. And I can't relate to that because I never went through it. I can see it in the movie and kind of get that visceral reaction to what I'm seeing. But when I've seen interviews with like the real guys from Band of Brothers and they're talking about what they went through, they can understand it at a level that I never could because they went through it. So I think part of the answer is not that you can never know anything about it or know a lot about it and deeply, but the experience of the shock and the anguish and the fear of the unknown is hard to really explain if you didn't go through it. So how can you keep this

13:58as horrible memory alive and not that we want to dwell upon the horror of it? But we should never forget that radical militant Islam did this. And it was a psychic existential kind of wound that people are still, I think, trying to recover from. I remember AJ Freud's words. So when this, I'll tell you what happened. I'll just give you a little vignette if you don't mind. If you want that. Yes, go ahead. So I was on the, I was on hold, I was at my computer in my office at home preparing to go on an interview. I was going to be on the Bob Dornin show. He was, I forget now what he was going to interview me about. It was a national radio program. And so I was answering emails and drinking my coffee and just waiting for them to take me on the air. And about, I don't know, seems like it was maybe 10 minutes or so before

15:08nine o'clock, the producer came on and he says, Hey, there's something going on right now in New York City. We're not really sure what it is, but we're going to have to put you on hold. I don't know whether we're going to be able to do the interview at 9 am. So can you hold for a while? I said, yeah, sure no problem. And it was at that same time that one of my sisters in law called Nancy and said, Hey, are you watching TV? She said, no, why she said, turn on the TV. There's like a plane hit the World Trade Center. What? So we turn it on and we're standing there. And it's incomprehensible. I couldn't understand what was going on. Clearly a plane had hit it, but you got this billowing smoke and this huge gash in the building and we're standing there watching it. And then we actually see the next plane hit the tower. It happened just minutes after we turned on the TV. And at that point, I'm trying to, it's hard for me to really put

16:08into words how I feel. I'm thinking this is, are we at war? I mean, this is clearly an attack. What's going to happen? And then the next plane hit the Pentagon or something hit the Pentagon. And he said, it was a plane. And then another plane crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, East of Pittsburgh. And here's what I wanted to get to. I remember so vividly standing at the kitchen sink in our home, looking out the window west. And wondering if I was going to see a nuclear mushroom cloud coming up on the horizon. Like, is that the next thing that's going to happen? They're going to nuke a city. What else is going to happen? What else is what else are they waiting to do? And it was so it was hard to process. And I still can feel all these years later that sense of horror and dread

17:09and the unknown that I was experiencing. And I tell you, I didn't fly commercially for months after that. And my whole job depended upon flying commercially because I was doing speaking engagements all over the country all the time constantly. So I was like, Mr. Frequent Flyer, I refused to get on an airplane for months after that. I drove everywhere because I was afraid. I was afraid that I would be on a plane that would be hijacked and I would die that way. It took me months before I could actually get on a commercial airliner again. And I did. But that's how bad it was. Now, not everybody had that kind of reaction. Some people were more traumatized than others, but it was generally so traumatizing that I think that your generation and the younger generations owe yourselves, you owe yourselves to do the best you can to try to

18:09understand what this was and what it meant. And the effect it had on people. I'll pause because I know you probably have some thoughts on that. I've talked a long time. But off the cuff, stream of consciousness, that's my response to what you're asking. What do you think? Yes, I absolutely agree with you because I feel like a lot in my generation. Like a couple years ago, there was this thing going around on TikTok. And some group of Gen Zs were saying that Osama bin Laden had a point. And I was saying to myself, really a point. And I just feel like if those in Gen Z do not know the history of 9-11 and what happened, they're just going to have a just wrong view of history. And it's going to be very insensitive to those who lost their lives on that day. And I'm just one who wants to keep the memories alive. And like you said, I think earlier in the show, you're talking about how we don't know when our last day is. And

19:149-11 was a tragic event that showed people like we don't know the end. And we have to always be spiritually prepared and make sure we're close to Jesus. So true. So true. I wonder about those Gen Z folk that one thing that I, one thing that I lament is how for so many years now, decades even, kids coming up through public schools and into the universities have been taught to hate this country, to hate white people, to hate anything that doesn't tow the line of the left wing progressive agenda. And whether they consciously understood what was happening or not, a horrible byproduct of the educational system in this country for at least the last say 50 years or so has been to inculcate this kind of hatred and disrespect for in rejection of the United States of America and the other issues that I mentioned. And so when I hear what you

20:20just said, I'm not surprised that how did how did Rush Limbaugh used to say it yet away with words, young skulls full of mush was a way he would derisively refer to people, you know, young people who don't know anything and they don't know what they don't know. He called them young skulls full of mush. And that, that I'm afraid is probably why so many of these young people fall for this trope. Well, some have been loud and probably had a point killing 3,000 people, murdering 3,000 people. Well, yeah, they had to kind of come into them. Didn't they, that kind of nonsense. If you've been fed on a steady diet, not you personally, but if you've been fed on a steady diet of being taught to hate this country and what it stands for in its history and its people, etc. Then you are easy prey, not you. I'm not talking to you, AJ. You're easy prey. You're a sitting duck when it comes to the latest TikTok video that will manipulate your feelings and your ideas because

21:26you are manipulatable. You know what I'm saying? That's why I think needing to know the truth about 9-11 is so important. Now, that doesn't even take into account all the weird anomalies. All the things that don't add up, all the, all the things you see on video like the tower seven, just falling in a perfect footprint as if it was demolished to make way for another building. I don't claim to believe everything about the official version of 9-11, but I don't know because I'm not a structural engineer. I'm not a pilot. I'm not, you know, I don't have that wherewithal. So I have to do the best I can. So I will conclude on this thought, AJ, that it's important that we know what happened, but I don't even know if we really do know everything that happened as terrible as it was. And you thought before I have to go? No, I think you summed it up pretty nicely. And I just wanted to end with this. I really

22:31love watching your show because you're someone who I look up to because whenever I have a question or you know I hear other people asking questions, I'm like Patrick always gives a you know reasonable response and it's always rooted in Catholic teaching and if he's like, he just you're like a guardian, even though I haven't met you personally, you're like a guardian to me. So I just wanted to give you that compliment. Thank you. I take that to heart and I'm grateful for it, AJ. You're like my radio son out there. Haven't met you yet, but maybe we'll meet in heaven. Sound good? Yep, amen. All right. Thank you, AJ. Wow. Hi, Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening to my podcast. In today's crazy world, finding companies that align with your Catholic values is a challenge. Your choice of cell phone provider matters. Cyrus and I switched to charity mobile and you should too.

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24:37Right. This time around. Hey, welcome back everybody. 888 914 9149. This is a song off the new album. It's not out yet. All right. It's a work in progress. Oh man, I'm enjoying it. It's great. So much fun. Well, and how do you get our first album? Funny you should ask. All you have to do is text Patrick to 914 914 and you'll get the brand new album. It's called keep going. And it's all yours for free. AI music. Cyrus and I wrote the lyrics. We had a lot of fun with it. So the music might be AI, but the laughs are real. Absolutely. Absolutely. 88 914 9149. I simmer to call to be on the air. Let's go first up to, let's see Patrick and Monterey, California. Good morning, Patrick. 40. Yeah. A question in a comment. Let's start the comment first.

25:40There are people with little reasons for relics. There's the woman who touches the tassel. There's a Paul. There's a cough that's passed around. And Peter made her may not have said and they're not. There's also the shadow. Yeah. Yeah. Now these are all standard, standard biblical passages that I bring up routinely. I didn't bring it up in this particular one because he wasn't asking for a biblical basis for it, but you're right. Those are all part of the way to respond. Steve. I'm sorry. Forgiveness. Forgiveness. Patrick, I called you, Steve, didn't mean to. Sorry. Yeah. My, I give you like to get your opinion on this. It often happens in the songs and the reader will change God to like him, her father. No, no, the other way around. It's, you know, the wording will be him, her father, him, his father. And they change it to God.

26:45And I just, I don't, I don't like that personally. What's your opinion? I agree. We're not supposed to change anything in the readings. That's for sure. The readings are what they are and the bishops approve the version that we use at Mass on Sunday, the New American Bible. And that's what the readers should read. So any, any pretext for modifying, embellishing, omitting, changing in some way, what's there in the sacred text is absolutely wrong. And somebody who does that should not have the privilege of being a lector. Right. Yeah. Well, I looked on that one in. Well, you know, we do the best we can. I appreciate your call, though, Patrick. Thank you. Let's go to Jack now and Jack's inville, Florida. That's a coincidence. Good morning, Jack. Good morning, good morning, Patrick. Yeah. I'm calling to compliment you and express my appreciation for your show. You provide a wonderful family atmosphere.

27:51Thank you. Speaking for myself, I don't have family. They've all passed away and not to draw attention to myself, but I'm sure that there are lots of people out there in my very same condition and situation, I should say. And we benefit greatly from, from the family atmosphere that you provide. Oh, that makes me happy to hear. I appreciate that. Anything about the family, the family nature of it that stands out for you, you mean like the topics or the way we hand to topics or what? Well, you know, I feel that I'm part of a family. And I suppose that's what the Catholic faith is supposed to be all about. And I feel that strongly, as I listened to your program, just the conversations, the responses you give, the way people respond to you. And I love,

28:53in particular, when a young child calls and the way you interact with the young child, I mean, it's, it becomes so obvious that you have lots of experience with your children. And go into the granddad mode. I admit. Well, it just, it warms my heart to hear you talk to the young children. You have such a way about it. Thank you. I'm really, I really appreciate it. That kind of affirmation goes a long way. Oh, well, I've been meaning to do it for some time and I apologize for procrastinating. Yeah. Well, it's a gift. And I take it in the spirit you're giving it, Jack. Thank you. We, we do feel like we're a family here at relevant radio. And I know it can sound kind of slogan-y. Like, I were a family or join the family, but we really do feel it. And we want other people to feel it. So to the extent that that's coming through, that makes me happy. And thank you.

30:00I'm grateful to you. Yes, sir. Thank you, Jack. The only thing I could ask would be if you could just tell your friends and family. I, I, you mentioned that you don't have much family anymore, but if you could let other people know about the program, that would be a big help to us too. Thanks, Jack. I appreciate it. That's cool. Cyrus. Very good. What's that song? We are family. Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think it's legal to go to a wedding reception in that play. Not play. Of course, I must admit, I've been to a lot of writing receptions in recent years. I don't, I don't recognize almost any of the songs. All the old standards. I think it's for the old Fogies. I used to be a young Fogie. Now I'm kind of a Fogie. Yeah. We just graduated to, we're the people that leave before the dancing gets crazy. Right. When we used to stay, we'd be there till two o'clock in the morning,

31:02you know, having time of our life. And now we're watching all the young people dance to music. We've never heard before. I say, I guess it's time to go. Yeah. You get your walker and your, turn on your hearing aid and off you go. Yeah. Pop some Jerry Tall. Is that even a thing anymore? Is Jerry Tall still around? I don't know what that is. So you are younger. That's true. You wouldn't know. 88, 914, 914. Let's go now to Steve and Rock Island, Illinois. All right. Steve Roe. No, the Steve Meister asking me questions. I make copies. Hello Patrick. This is Steve. Hello, Steve. Steve. Let me see. I'd like to talk to you. Ask you about Relic. Okay. I had three relics when I was 21, but 45 years ago. Okay. Two of them was Mother Satan, their bones. And the other one was a priest that, well, he was beautiful. He was beautiful. He was

32:06beautified in everything. A priest from Philadelphia, or he worked in Philadelphia. Okay. And, well, I had him for maybe a year or so. And I, I didn't want to show him off whatever. It's just I really, I had him on a mantle and I gave him to, I gave the rucks, I was mother's student to the sister's affinity. And I probably gave the other one of the priest to another priest in our in the area. The question is I had him on a mantle the whole time of our house. Would that make these were first class relics? Would that make the piece of the mantle where they were a third class relic? No, because in order for that to happen it has to actually touch

33:09the piece of bone or whatever the relic itself, the first class relic is. So almost certainly these were in relic queries, right? Little round gold containers with a glass front and maybe some red velvet in the back. That's correct. Okay. And those often are themselves inside of a larger relic query. So no, the fact that it touched the mantle piece. No, this is just little it was just a little glass and they had felt in the back and they were closed up. That was it. Yeah, no, I get it. I've seen many of them. So I can visualize just what you're talking about. But no, that wouldn't then make the mantle piece of a third class relic. So would you have to take the bone out to touch the. Yeah, but I wouldn't do that. I would do that. I don't I don't have these things. I gave them away to other religion. Right. Right. And so, um, so you're just answering my question.

34:16Okay. Well, thank you. It's a it's a you're welcome. It's a great thing if you have the opportunity to venerate a relic. So I'm glad that you did. Thanks, Steve. Let's go to Linda now in Orlando. Hi, Linda. Hi. Um, earlier you were talking about 9-11 and I was in New York City working that day and I all the things you said you saw I saw live and 18 men in my neighborhood died in the World Trade Center. They had ran through the battery tunnel and ran into the World Trade Center and died. Even a friend of mine from skinny atlas, his son had just gotten a job in the World Trade Center and died that day. And to me, it is a reverent day, um, to remember all these people and their families that are left behind. Yes. And we now have a Muslim mayor of New York

35:23and the governor of New York, um, now wearing a hijab. And of 25 years, you'd think that New York of all places things wouldn't be the way they are now, but they are. So even that to me is another reason why we need to remember what happened and why it happened on 9-11. You know, it was funny. Um, I had to pray very hard to forgive the Muslim population. And God sent me a gift. There's a young girl. She's probably between 20 and 25. Her name is Aida. And she was a Muslim. And because of all those prayers to forgive, I said, Aida, I'm so glad I met you. Could you tell me something about your faith? And so she told me in general terms. And it was really, um, you know, obviously

36:26they believe in Allah, but she didn't even mention Allah. She is just a delightful, wonderful person. And um, she told me all the good things you could say about Muslims and to me it was a gift. Yeah, I can imagine, especially because we have to resist that human tendency to want to hate people who had nothing to do with it, but they are part of the group that had something to do with that. And even though these innocent people share no blame for any of it, it's human nature at a base level to be, you know, to hate them or to be to seek retribution or something like that when they had nothing to do with that. So I can understand why that was healing for you. Yeah. Well, I just thought and anyone who's listening, I want them to pray for all those people

37:27that died that day and for their families. Absolutely. And come Friday of this week when we when we're observing the 25th anniversary of 9-11, we will revisit some of these terrible things because we need to keep them in our minds and keep clear about what happened so that we hopefully God willing will never go through something like that again. Please God, thank you, Linda. I'll be right back. So our show sponsor charity mobile is a nationwide pro-life cell phone provider that offers flip phones, smartphones and the new wise phone or you can bring your own phone. New customers can mention Patrick for a special offer. Info at charity mobile dot com slash Patrick. That's charity mobile dot com slash Patrick.

38:32Welcome back to the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Have a question. Give Patrick a call. 888 914 9149. That's 888 914 9149 Patrick Madrid on relevant radio. I was going to be on. Talk of Tuesday. That's right. 88 914 9149. Call that number. We'll get you on the year. Let's go to Terry and Oceanside, California. Hi, Terry. Good morning. Patrick, I have a quick question for you because I've got my father. He's still alive, but it has to do with the burial part. He married my mom back in 1962. He became Catholic. He was Baptist from background from his parents. And he became Catholic. Now I asked my mom. She said that she did get baptized. Like a conditional baptism. I guess he works Turkey with baptides. Um, he was, you know, through his family. Okay. So my question is when he passes?

39:39Um, can she have a Catholic burial because he was baptized Catholic, even though he doesn't practice the Catholic faith at all anymore. Um, he's obviously been gone for over 30 years. They're divorced. Um, so, so because he's been baptized Catholic, can he have a Catholic burial or do I have to go so with the Protestant burial? Nothing wrong with it, I guess, but I just kind of wanted to know for his own sake. Yeah, for sure. So the answer is a qualified yes, he can. And the fact that he was a conditionally baptized as a Catholic is all the more reason why I think the answer would be yes. So there are some circumstances where the church would prohibit a massive Christian burial for somebody who, let's say, lived in an notoriously scandalous life. I mean, there are there are some situations where that would apply in for non-Catholic people in general, but the church does leave open the door that, you know, if it's

40:40under some circumstances, yeah, that you could permit a massive Christian burial for somebody who didn't live as a Catholic, but has some connection to the church. Okay, so now if I were to mention it to him, he says no, then I probably shouldn't. If you were saying no, I want to get buried like. How is he living now? Is he living? I think what if I heard you correctly that he's not living as a Catholic, right? Even though he was personally baptized. Okay. Correct. He does go to church Protestant church. So he goes to Bible study. So he believes in God and everybody just doesn't go to the Catholic church. Yeah, I would see the way I would approach it would be how can we help you come home to the Catholic church so that that other question is not even really an issue because he would receive the sacraments he'd be right with God. He would be in the best possible situation before he

41:43Departs this life. Do you see any hope? Any any chance that he may say I do want to become Catholic. Um, yes and no. He probably sees it through me, but I do every day. How I am every day or I go to church every Sunday and maybe possibly and maybe when he gets a little older and and it gets to the point where he might hit him more when you know when you get closer to death and you know what I guess. Maybe it might be something, but you know, I mean, this will be something I'll work on and maybe in the next I don't know five years. I'll call you one day and I say, guess what he converted. Yeah. So back to the space. So that that would be awesome, but I just wanted to know. So if I bring it up to him, I'm able to do so. I just wasn't sure. So yeah, I think the way I would approach it would be if it were if I were in your situation, I would say, you know what dad you're getting close closer, let's say, to the time of departure. And I know you're a man of faith and you love Jesus. And I just want to encourage you that the Catholic faith that you are baptized into long ago

42:54is the true church. And it has everything that Jesus wants you to have, especially in preparation for going into the into eternal life. The Holy Eucharist, the sacrament of holy anointing, the sacrament of confession, all these things. And I'm here to help in any way I can. If I can help you, if you'd like to make that final leg of your journey into the Catholic Church so that you're fully prepared to see Jesus face to face, what can I do to help you? And then of course, he may say, ah, you know, I'm not interested in that. Or he may say, well, I'm not interested right now, but let's talk later. I mean, there are different ways that you might respond. But I wouldn't be. Coi about it. I would tell him in a very specific way that this is, in my view, what he should do. And I'm here to help to facilitate that.

43:56And then of course, if he says, no, well, didn't you do the best you can. But sometimes people will have a change of heart at the very end. You know, on their deathbeds, even. I'm hoping. And I want more quick comment, may I say you had a you had a caller last week talk about not having the kneeler's in church. Yeah. And I can tell you, I've been to a lot of churches that have the the chairs. I get on my knees no matter what. I don't care. It's like when it's time to kneel. I've knelt on cement. I don't care. If there's kneeler's there, of course, I'm going to use the kneeler's, but I say, I'm getting prepared to kneel all the time when I leave this world and have. And then that's why I like to kneel. And I don't care what's on the ground. If it's dirt, if it's cement, if there's a kneeler, great. But I just say to anybody, kneel. It's not less, of course, if you're elderly and of course you can't. That's understandable. I think God knows that. But nothing ever stops me from kneeling.

44:57I don't care if there's a kneeler or not. I will always kneel for my God. I couldn't have said it better. I agree with you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Cyrus. I want to say good morning to you too. You're always fabulous with your music. Cyrus, don't be shy. Thank you, Terry. Yes. And Cyrus, anytime you want to play a little bit of 80s Canadian style, that would be great. Like a little lover boy would be great. Marking it down. Do you know that thanks, Terry? Thank you. By the way, I had an email. I was about to get to and it's perfect with the point that Terry made a moment ago about kneeling. This is from Angela. And she says, I really think it's time for you to deliver some tough love to your listeners. It seems like last week, there was an abundance of people complaining about their alleged inability. She puts that in quotation marks to kneel during mass due to a lack of kneelers and or communion rules. However, if their church doesn't have kneelers or communion rails, kneeling may be a bit awkward or uncomfortable, but they're not prevented from kneeling, they can kneel directly on the floor. And that was the point Terry was making.

46:02People seem to be choosing comfort over kneeling during mass. And this is the disconnect. I'm not understanding. Why is it that American Catholics feel like they cannot or even should not kneel during mass without something soft to put their knees on? Well, Angela, I appreciate your email and coincides generally with what Terry was saying. I, of course, you know, we don't we don't want to paint with a broad brush like that. So it's not as though every last American Catholic feels this way. I know plenty of people. Plenty of people who feel just like you do and just like Terry did that or Terry does that, you know, when it comes time to kneel, you just kneel. Is it a cement floor? Okay. You kneel is it convenient? No, maybe not, but you kneel anyway, because that's the custom. The time honored liturgical custom in the Latin right of the Catholic church in the Eastern right. So take the Byzantine right, for example, they don't kneel. Their custom is to stand. They have their own reasons for that. And I can respect that. But they should, you know, whoever should respect our custom, which is to kneel.

47:13So I'm with you, but I don't think it would be fair to say that all American Catholics feel that way. If I had to guess quite a few Catholics feel the way you do. And we can help people with our good example, right. So by being reverent at mass, it's always a good thing. And I appreciate that. 88 914 9149 about Gail now in Bradenton, Florida. Hi, Gail. Hi, Patrick. I have a question, please. I did. My brothers asked me to help clarify. His son is married to his brightest is Jewish. And they have to boy, twin boys are going to be going through their broms. They've been in the church. Okay. Part of the ceremony apparently is the parents say a blessing. And then then grandparents say a blessing. And they gave them the script of what it would be. And he asked me if he was allowed to do this. He said, if his son says he wasn't comfortable, he could just stand there and smile and be affirming the words that are in it are praised the one.

48:22When praises do praise me the one to whom praises do now and forever praise be the eternal God ruler of the universe who has chosen us from all people's by giving us the Torah. We praise you eternal one giver of truth. And I said, he turned there's a nice. I got to call Patrick. Yeah, to witness the parmits, but the church does not permit us as Catholics to participate in a religious service. And I think that's where that line would be drawn that if you're going to be participating, even though it's an honor and they're doing it out of respect for you and family and friendship relationships, which is all it's all very nice. But the participation in the actual service itself, reciting prayers. If it's a Jewish religious right, we're not permitted to do that. Because that would go beyond being present to show respect for family or friends or something like that. So being there, yes, participating in this Jewish religious right. No.

49:34Okay. I'll pass it on to the grandfather. Thank you, Patrick. You're welcome. Appreciate that. God bless you. Let's go to do we have time. I think so. Let's go to Pete, Minnesota. We'll have to be quick Pete. Good morning. Hey, Patrick. This is Pete, Minnesota. Here's a quite I got to give this a little quick context here. My my son-in-law and daughter five years married. Yeah, they got married in a secular marriage, but a month later they did get it blessed at a Catholic church. So that was good. Last year my grandson, they got a three year old grandson. He got baptized last year in the Catholic church, which was great. Now, grandson's got a little sister and she's going to get baptized in the Protestant church because of my daughter now and son-in-law, some of us kind of anti Catholic actually. They're going to any venture evangelical church now.

50:35And so my granddaughters getting baptized in the Protestant church, which is fine. It's trinitarian. But my dilemma is that because my grandson, as according to my daughter and son-in-law, he didn't have a great experience last year because he was crying. They are going to baptize, re-baptize him with my granddaughter in the Protestant church. So my daughter hasn't told me that she up, but my wife told me so. I wanted to get your opinion on all this and kind of see what you think. Well, I'm here in three weeks. Yeah, I feel sad that they're not being baptized in the church for obvious reasons, but to re-baptize an already validly baptized person is superfluous. Do you want to hang on over the break, Pete, and we'll pick it up on the other side? Okay, standby. This is the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio in the relevant radio app and I'll go back to Pete and Minnesota right after this.