The Bible Exalted! 029 God's Sovereignity!

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1:00to various topics in which the Bible has the final say in the matter. Joining us today are our beloved three panel speakers, Bob Grandi, Chris McCann, and Carl von Herringa. So welcome again, radio listeners, and folks watching on Zoom, YouTube, and other platforms. Today's discussion is God's sovereignty. That's God's sovereignty. So welcome. You can join us live online at www.ebiblefellowship.org or at a rebroadcast by radio or on YouTube. We'll take your calls at the half hour mark. And the number is 888-969-9883. That's 888-969-9883. You're going to hit star nine to get into the queue. And you might see a prom tour button to hit the unmute or star six to unmute yourself.

2:03This is a one hour program with a bonus half hour afterward. So those who are watching the live broadcast, you get to have the full one and a half hour program. So let's go to our panel. Today's topic is God's sovereignty. And if you've called last week, we asked it you abstain and wait till the following week. So we're going to alternate weeks for calls. Once again, today's topic is God's sovereignty. And we'll start with you, Bob. Hey, thanks, Eric. Yeah, as you may know already, the word sovereign doesn't appear in the Bible. In the King James Version of the Bible anyhow. But we can understand that it means the supreme power that only God possesses. And God is sovereign. Or another word for that is nip attempt or all powerful over all of His creations, including this one, that they're in all likelihood.

3:06There are many creations that God already has made. So getting back to Adam and Eve, when they obeyed Satan and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Satan became the sort of sub-ruler of this world because God was still sovereign over Satan, who could not do anything that was outside of God's overall plan for this earth. And that is, Satan was always subject to God's authority. And when we think of someone being sovereign, we might picture a human king or a dictator ruling over his kingdom or country or empire. And we can understand this when we read in Romans 13 verse 1, I'll read that, let every soul be subject to the higher powers for there is no power but of God

4:08or but from God. The powers that be are ordained of God. But God is greater than every king or ruler because he controls every king or ruler in the earth. And we read in Psalm 47 verse 2 about that. For Jehovah, most high is terrible or awesome. He is a great king over all the earth. Earthly kings and rulers cannot do anything outside of God's permissive will. So getting back to Satan, he was disthroened from his rule when Satan was disthroened from his rule when Jesus Christ initiated judgment day on May 21, 2011. We should all know that by now. Ever since then, Jesus has been reigning as king of kings and Lord of lords and bringing his wrath on the whole world

5:11as the sovereign judge. And here are some verses I'd like to read that testify to this fact in Revelation 17 verse 14. These shall make war with the lamb and the lamb shall overcome them. For he is Lord of lords and king of kings and they that are with him are called and chosen and faithful and Psalm 99 verse 1. Jehovah reigneth, let the people tremble. He said it between the charibins, let the earth be moved. And finally, Revelation 196. And I heard as it were, the voice of a great multitude. And as the voice of many waters and as the voice of mighty thunder rings saying, Alleluia, for the Lord God, nipotent reigneth.

6:11So I just wanted to point out there's a close sitting into the word sovereign, which is almighty. And that means having everlasting or absolute power, all powerful. And here's a couple of verses that link the word almighty directly to God himself in Genesis 17 verse 1. And when Abram was 99 years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram and said to him, I am the almighty God, walk before me and be thou perfect. And then in Job 34 verse 12, yay, surely God will do, will not do wickedly, neither will the almighty pervert judgment. Everything occurs according to God's divine sovereign will

7:13and purpose, including his salvation plan. God is sovereign regarding salvation and who he saves based on price, a toning work at the foundation of the world and eternity past. And I'd like to read a long passage from Romans 9 verses 16 to 23 to show God's sovereignty and his power and his authority over salvation of who he chooses verse starting in verse 16. And so then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runeth, but of God that showeth mercy. For the scriptures sayeth unto Pharaoh, even for this same purpose have I raised thee up that I might show my power in thee and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore, hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy and whom he will, he hardeneth.

8:14That will say that unto me, why does he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? May, but oh man, who art thou that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it? Why has thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay of the same lump to make one vessel into honor and another unto dishonor? What if God willing to show his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had a forer prepared unto glory. And I'd like to follow that up with Isaiah 64 verse 8. But now, O Jehovah, thou art our father. We are the clay and thou our potter. And we are all, we all are the work of thy hand.

9:18And finally, in Ephesians 1 verse 4, God tells us about his election program, the people that he chose. In verse 4, according as he hath chosen us, God's elect in him before the foundation of the world, that we, God's elect should be holy and without blame before him in love, having predestinated us, God's elect, unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. So God is sovereign over who he saves and he's also sovereign over when he saves. He saved relatively few people during the Old Testament, millions more during the church age from 33 AD until 1988. And then tens of millions more during the latter reign from 1994 until 2011.

10:18God shut the spiritual door of heaven himself, ending any new salvation after May 21, 2011. Just as God shut the door himself on the ark and everyone outside the ark drowned. And the third place for God to sovereign is to salvation is the location. In the Old Testament, God saved mainly in National Israel although most of the people that were saved in the Old Testament were in Nineveh, which is outside of Israel. But and then during the church age, God saved most of those millions of people in the corporate church. And then during the latter reign, he saved outside of the corporate church, people all over the world. And so I hope I've shown how God is sovereign

11:19and we'll continue to show that in the next hour and a half. No, I think we can end the program here. You covered everything. You butted it up, you butted it up really nice, Bob. And if I may say, when I was when I was younger, out the window, forget it. I would watch a lot of, I would watch a lot of, I didn't say anything for you, Chris, so much. I would watch a lot of media and there would be a villain or very nasty villain or ruler who would subjugate the people and they would cry out. And as a young person, I would say, get him, you know, get him. And then there would be like an older person and say, don't you worry, you know, it's all gonna work out. And for me, when I would see crime or injustice, I would always see the authorities, they don't wait,

12:20you know, when you see a crime taking place, an officer doesn't let the guy finish and intervene. And so I had a very hard time understanding the nature of God's sovereignty in terms of allowing sin to fully form and justice be served in a God glorifying way because when I was younger, as soon as you did something wrong, you'd get justice. And I would, I would go boy, yeah. I would like to know, you know, for me personally, as I started to read the Bible, especially in Exodus because they cried out and God told Abraham for 400 years they would be in bondage. So as I got older and I understood the Bible more, I understand that God has a timetable in which he sets up activities for his glory and his purpose. And to me, when I heard about sovereignty,

13:23it's like watching injustice and God act and acting on it at a time when he chooses not on impulse because for me, because I'm in the flesh, you know, that Bible verse says we chase in our children after our own pleasure, but God to our own benefit. And there's a big difference when you see a child do something wrong and you bring justice, is it for my own pleasure? Because when God does it, he does it perfectly for our benefit. So that's just one thing that I really wanted to touch based on in terms of God's sovereignty and how God lays out his justice, not based on man's ways, but in his sovereign will, he does it for our benefit. Yeah, the verse that would tie in with that is Ecclesiastes 8 about when a sentence is a, when judgment is an executed speedily. Right, we'll read that. That's Ecclesiastes 8 verse 11.

14:27It says because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily. Therefore, the heart of the sons and men is fully set in them to do evil. And so that would just kind of tie into how God is an appointed time to begin judging and bringing things to justice. Yeah, and then I think a carlery to that would be second Peter three verse nine. You know, we read, the Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some men count slackness, but as long suffering to usward. Right, he's let, he's, he's allowing everything to play out even the sin that you're talking about here. Not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. And, and, and of course, we've learned that not any should perish is talking about any of the elect that all of the elect should come to repentance, right? And, and this is another, this shows another aspect of God's sovereignty

15:32his election program. And I, I remember years ago talking with somebody who was in the church and she brought up this verse and, you know, say, well, you know, the old story that God's a gentleman, and he will not, you know, force people to get, you know, to come to him. And, you know, he's long suffering. And, but that's, that's just a way of the free will gospel trying to steal God's sovereignty and give it to mankind. Yeah, uh, concerning the idea, it is a good point that if God's sovereign, then why do men rebel? And if he's sovereign, why doesn't he stop them from rebelling? And so it must be that it is according to his will, but we know God's not the author of sin. So we have to be careful that it, he's not willing people

16:36to sin, but man in his sinful condition will sin as a result. And God permits it. And we, we also know at the time of the end that God, um, the, the language of the Bible would, would show the will of God concerning what's going on in, in the world out there in Romans one, where it says in verse 24, wherefore God also gave them up. And the word, the Greek word, um, gave up is translated as delivered like for judgment in other places. God gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own hearts to dishonor their own bodies between themselves who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and serve the creature more than the creator who is blessed forever, amen. For this cause, God gave them up and to vile affections for even

17:37their women did change the natural use into that, which is against nature. And likewise, also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, and then verse 28, and even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over same word to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient and then a list of terrible sins. I think there's 23 sins listed. So it's according to the permissive will of God. God is not responsible for these sins. Men who commit them are responsible, but God allowed it, and especially at the time of the end, he, um, well, this gets into another matter of his sovereignty, how he controlled the desperate wickedness and sinfulness of mankind all through history with his spirit, with the law written upon their heart. At the time of the end, his spirit that restraints in the lives of

18:40people was lifted up to allow what came natural to them. And I think this, uh, this is in view with Romans nine, the Bob Redwood pharaoh where, where, uh, it said it is not of him, the will of nor of him, the runeth, but of God, the chill with mercy for the scripture, saith unto pharaoh, even for the same purpose. Have I raised the up that I might show my power in the that my name might be declared throughout all the earth? And where did, where did say he had, he gave him like a hard heart? Uh, in verse 18, therefore, happy mercy on whom he will have mercy on whom he will, he hard enough, he hard enough and, and historically with pharaoh, pharaoh is a, a sinner and every sinner has a heart,

19:41deceitful, desperately wicked. And, and so God, it, uh, often, uh, restraints that desperate wickedness, but in pharaoh's case, God just simply allowed the stubborn rebellious nature of the center of pharaoh to show itself. And, and, and, and man says, you know, always fighting against God. No, I will not, I will not obey your God. I will not harken to your God. I will not let the people go. And that accomplish God's purpose to destroy Egypt and, and ultimately pharaoh and the army of Egypt brought to their knees in the red sea, they were, they were killed. Likewise, at the time of the end, God has let man go after his sin in a similar way to get

20:42himself glory at the final end and final destruction of mankind. That have rebelled against him all through history. And, and so the, the permissive will of God to allow it to happen will finally glorify him greatly. And I guess we could say has been glorifying him. And we'll ultimately glorify him, uh, with the destruction. And, and that's what it said here also in Romans 9, what if God verse 22, willing, willing, that that's where he exercises his will, willing to show his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much long suffering, the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, fitted to destruction. The word fitted is translated as prepared. Hebrews 10.5, a body that was

21:43prepared me. It's translated framed. The worlds were were framed. Hebrews 11.3. And, and so, um, God has prepared the world for this final end. And, and the, the, um, lifting of his hand restrained off the hearts of men. And the result of a bounding iniquity, multiplication of iniquity is part of the preparation. There's another really good, uh, passage that kind of ties in with Romans 9 that said Jeremiah 18 verse, I'll just read the first six verses. It says, the word which came to Jeremiah from Jehovah saying, arise and go down to the potter's house. And there I will cause need to hear my words. Then I went down to the potter's house and behold, he wrote a work on the wheels. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter. So he made it, so he made it again, another vessel as

22:46seemed good to the potter to make it. Then the word of Jehovah came to me saying, Oh, house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter say Jehovah behold as the clay is in the potter's hand. So are ye in my hand. Oh, house of Israel. So again, it just goes to show God's sovereignty with he can create a vessel that's fitted for destruction. Like it says in Romans, you know, they serve a purpose like Pharaoh for this cause that raised these raised the up or he can create a vessel for mercy, one, one whom he chose to say it. You know what's interesting. When I was younger, I thought about John the Baptist, when Jesus came to him, he said, I have need of that, I'm paraphrasing here. And he says, I have need to be cleansed. And you're coming to me. And Jesus said, you know, suffer it to be for now. And that word suffer. I was wondering in the old English, you know, the

23:46translators allow this word suffer in terms of allow it. As if it's suffering. And I looked at that word, and it's also used in a very special way. It's translated also as let be, but it's also translated in one of the most favorite verses. Forgive us of our debts. That word suffer or let it be. It's actually used. I mean, I think it's Matthew chapter 6 verse 12. Let me go there. It says, and forgive us of our debts. That word forgive is the word suffer or suffer it to be so. And so we see that God. In this way, it's like he's saying, you know, let be our debts, you know, allow it to be or suffer it to be so for now, or to put away that sin in that kind of way. I just

24:47thought that was really interesting. That that word was in relation to our sin, our debts for the elect. That this this allowance or permitting, because God has taken on all the spiritual payment for that sin, and we're sinning in the flesh. You know, a gentleman can, you know, a Greek word that is a a P H E S. And the Greeks, the strong number is, let me just see here, eight six three, strong's Greek, eight six three, and it's it shows up 146 times and different, you know, root words. Yeah, I was just thinking it been first Corinthians, it's not the same word, but it says in labor, working with their own hands being reviled, be blessed, being persecuted, be suffering. Right. And it's not the same word. Yeah, but it's interesting how God is

25:49allowing his permissive will in terms of saying to John the Baptist, suffer it to be so, you know, or suffer a little, I don't know if that's the same word, but suffer the little children to come unto me. Yeah, let me see that word suffer. And I don't know why the translators, you know, use that word suffer, but it's, it's pretty interesting. Well, I have a couple of verses or God's sovereignty that that kind of lay out how he's sovereign over all Psalm 103, Psalm 103 verse 19. It says, Jehovah hath prepared his throne in the heavens and his kingdom, rule it over all. I think Bob mentioned that in the beginning. And another verse is in Proverbs 21, verse one,

26:50which I think we're familiar with this one, Proverbs 21, one, the King's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the rivers of water, he turneth it, he God turneth it withers, whoever he will. The King's heart is in the hand. And even the hand represents the will. So it's, it's telling us that God is sovereign over the life of his people. Really, the Bible presents God's sovereign over everything in heaven and on earth, in all existence, he's the creator, the maker, the almighty. And so, so the what what Bob was talking about, I think is kind of what we, we could discuss concerning God in salvation, because that that's really where people rebel

27:54against the idea that God is sovereign, as Bob pointed out in Romans 9, and even the verse, I think it was verse 15, I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion upon whom I will have compassion, that God is God is sovereign in the matter of salvation, but we're we're at a break. So I'll come back in excellent, excellent Chris, I look forward to hearing that. So we're going to pause here for the program's halfway point. You are listening to the Bible exalted program. Today's topic is God's sovereignty. If you have a comment or a question regarding the matter, we'll open up the lines free to call. But let's finish with your your statement Chris. Well, yeah, so so God is sovereign, which which means he's the great king Lord of Lord's King of Kings, what

28:54he says goes, he he is above all governments governments are set up by him, and they have legitimacy as long as they obey him. If a government goes contrary to the law of God on a point of their law, that the government establishes the law that is against the law of God in the Bible, well, they have rebelled the government has rebelled who set up that law against God. And for example, you know, a good example would be abortion and killing one's own offspring, killing one's own children. And then the government establishing a law, well, you can only have two, if you have a third, you must abort.

29:57That law is unlawful, unbiblical, unlawful, according to the law of God. And for the child of God who desires to obey God, because he is sovereign God, we would rebel against the earthly government that established that law that was commanding us to do something unlawful. And we would refuse. We that's what I mean by rebel. We would not that we would take up arms against that we would just simply refuse to do that and suffer the consequences. We see that with Daniel, actually with Shadrach Meshach and Abednego and Daniel three, and with Daniel himself in chapter six of Daniel, where laws were made, and the government of that time said, you must do this in Daniel's case, you must not pray, you must not make petition to any God save the king. And

31:05Daniel was fully aware that law was passed. And then he went into his house with the window open three times in the day and may prayer to the God of Israel, just as before he blatantly disobeyed the law, just like Moses's mother, when when Pharaoh, who was a legitimate king, set up and according to Romans 13 or other Daniel four, I think, where where God does take responsibility for the powers that be that he has set them up, and sometimes even the basis of men. But nonetheless, their legitimate authority and power undergone. And Pharaoh made a law that the male Hebrew children were were to be killed, Moses's mother refused

32:06disobeyed and hid him for three months and then had to send him on the little ark of bull rushes down the aisle. So there we see the child of God is recognizing in these kinds of instances, a child of God is recognizing God's sovereignty, God's right, because he's the supreme. That's what sovereign means. The supreme ruler, the supreme king, the supreme being is God, we the children of God bowed the knee to him in his sovereignty, you know, right to declare and command us to do what he would have us to do. And on occasion, that means we refuse the earthly government or what has been established

33:07the earthly ruler and their law. So that has to do with sovereignty. And sometimes, you know, earthly governments might they're probably aware of Romans 13. And they may think, well, God has given this to us. We can, if our Supreme Court makes a law that that says this or that, then, then that is the law and you are to obey it, and you are to do it. And they may feel justified, but no, no, they're the the earthly government is never completely sovereign. They're only sovereign in their department in so far as they're in agreement with the law of God. And some things God doesn't address God doesn't care if the speed limits 55 or 75, you know, the Bible doesn't get into

34:10that. The government has full jurisdiction authority. They can make it with some places, the auto bond, they can say, there's no speed limit. That that's lawful. It doesn't contradict the law of God, the Bible. Only when they contradict the law of God, the Bible, then we, we do not continue to obey that. Yeah, same thing with taxes. There's a there's a verse I think that ties in with, well, hold it, hold it. Hey, I'm a sovereign citizen. A lot of a lot of questions out there, they complain about taxes. So what do you mean? Look, be specific. You ever see those videos, they say they're sovereign citizen and and they'll say, give me your license. And they'll say, I'm a sovereign citizen. And they wind up getting their door smashed in and because they they they self declare that they're sovereign.

35:10And I don't I don't want to, you know, get there's that is that legal for them to do. I guess not if they get their doorbashed. Yeah, it's it's a great area. But people this is what I wanted to bring up, you know, in these taxes, the answer to the question, Jesus said to a renderer on the Caesar, the things would be Caesar's and unto God, the things which be God. So it's lawful. It's not against the Bible. So, but that's what I wanted to mention. What if it's what if it's 30% 40% still same answer, it would be the same answer. If Caesar wants 40% Caesar give 40% would be the biblical answer. I remember when people would look at their paste up and they'll say, who's phyka? Or all these little acronyms, a people taking just a little bit here a little bit there. And then they just see that they don't have much left. Someone writes, um, they get heavily taxed. But isn't it interesting how when when someone writes a decree, there's an amendment? Or it can be revoked or abolished, but God's word,

36:16it's settled in heaven. It's like the the needs and the purchase cannot be altered. But it, but it man's laws, these these laws that we have, even our very foundation, they can become trouble. And then people can rebel. And if the political expediency demands it, they'll just throw it out the window and say, okay, all right, all right, because they want to stay in power. They will, they will, they will make an amendment and say, all right, we'll do away with it. Obviously, the people don't like this law and they'll just change it. They don't enforce it. They're changeable. The man's ways are movable. That's right. And, and they don't have a love for the law, like the child of God loves the law. And, and so if you love it, it's not a little thing to say, bow the knee, I command, I've made this image, I command you, bow the knee. And all Babylon, bows the knee, and you

37:17know, the Israelites among them, the Jews among them, we're probably thinking, well, I'll just do it for now. Of course, when I get out of this place, I won't bow the knee. And and that's, that's how a professed Christian, if enough pressure is put to bear, would respond, because they don't really have a love for the truth of the word. But God's word is eternal. And it cannot be altered. And every point is precious. I guess we could say every, every word is important. And, and so that's why we get into discussions on fine details, fighting points of doctrine. We want to do it. God's way. One of the guys is going to say, these are lights for blessed for keeping God's commandment regarding not killing

38:17the first born or the male, the males that would come out of the womb. Yeah, the, the, what do you call those women? The hand, not handmade. Um, the, um, the, uh, midwives, midwives, yeah, yeah, midwives, the midwives, yeah, they're blessed for obeying God over obeying Pharaoh and God built them houses. And so that was a good example of how you obey, um, God over government. Oh, yeah, because God's law supersedes every other law. So even if so, you know, just like how when God said you harkened unto the voice of your wife, you know, that unfortunately, I'm sure there's a spiritual connotation to that. But when Adam harkened to the voice of his wife, he unfortunately did not obey God's ultimate sovereign command, not to touch the fruit, not to eat of it. And Eve as well, she was deceived. And I know there's, there's more spiritual

39:19connotation to that. But, there's actually a lot of women who got told to harken unto, like, remember Abraham and Sarah, he said, harken unto the Sarah, you know, and because there's a court in terms of Hagar in terms of Hagar, because there's according to God's will. Yeah, right, right. And, um, there's a verse that I wanted to read, Ecclesiastes chapter eight, and I'll read from two to four. And it says, I counsel the to keep the king's commandment. And that in regard of the oath of God, be not hasty to go out of his sight, stand not in an evil thing, for he doeth whatsoever please with him, where the word of a king is, there is power. And who may say unto him, what do us thou? And I really like that verse in verse four, I put that on my Gmail email account as my signature, that God as a king can do whatever he wants. And after May 21, now that verse really stood out, because when we,

40:25when we thought May 21, 2011 was it, you know, all the verses that we thought that God was pointing to, that was it, you know, there wasn't a plan B. But then we saw God's sovereignty in his salvation program, that the five months we spiritually didn't understand. And so we saw God's will being performed right before our very eyes, but we didn't have spiritual understanding to to understand that yes, this is part of God's plan. We were just so distraught and discouraged. We didn't say, oh, God has more in store for us. We were just so distraught. And it took us time to understand that. And that fits in with what Bob said in the beginning, about God being well, he said, God is sovereign regarding whom he saves Romans nine. And God is sovereign regarding when he saves. And I find it interesting that there are a lot of former family radio listeners,

41:31ebibofeloship listeners. And they understand God's sovereignty when it comes to saving whom he, you know, the people he wants to save the elect, they understand they seem to get that anyway, they seemed to understand that. But when it comes to God making another sovereign determination of shutting the door on May 21, 2011, they argue against it. And if if you could look at, say, the free will people who argue against selection, they they think it's unjust. They think it's not fair. And and many many of their arguments, you could just replace or you could go like that and you wouldn't know which was which with people who speak against

42:35God shutting the door, ending his salvation program and bringing judgment day to pass while time continues on earth. It's not fair. It's not just my, and I don't know if they say this, but basically they're saying, my God would not do that. My God would give people a chance, which is what the free will people are saying, that my God would give people a chance to accept Christ, you can't you can't say that God has made determination before the foundation of the world in predestination to save all the people he will save and nobody else, that's not fair. My God will give people a chance. And you can't say God shut the door on May 21, 2011, brought judgment day to this world while people are still being born and and you're not giving them a chance. You're, you're not giving them opportunity to be saved. It's the same thing. It's the identical argument and

43:40and there are people who should know better that salvation is according to God's election program and that he has so willed to save certain ones. And if he accomplished that, if he saved everyone he intended to save, then there are no other people to save and he could justly bring it to a close. And that that is what happened. And he, you know, he gets everybody on board the ark, gets all the animals, gets the he gets the eight souls, he told Noah yet seven days historically. And so Noah had seven days. That's, you know, a sovereign decree. I'm going to destroy the world in seven days. So there's God being sovereign regarding time, time.

44:40You have to get into the ark before I shut the door. And if you do not, then you'll perish in the flood. And that's what happened to, you know, overwhelmingly most people on earth. And also a lot of people will say, you know, of course, a label us Calvinist for saying free wills against the Bible. Now Carl, I talked guy earlier today, we never talked about Calvin and there you go, bringing him up. They give us that label, but I was thinking about they also say it's such a horrible doctrine, right? The whole idea of how God chooses someone. You know, what do what do people who don't like the no more salvation doctrine? They say the same thing. Oh, that's the most horrible thing possible. And how could you say such a thing? Well, well, well, people who speak about Calvin, they're they're taking it away from the Bible. You know, because they can't really argue or justify their position from the Bible,

45:47but if you kind of run down some man and you know, I'm sure Calvin did some things that were sinful and if you can focus on the man and that's what they tend to do. You know, we talk about Ephesians 1, 3 through 6, God where clearly says God predestinated, God elected Romans 9. I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy and it is not according to him that willeth, John 1, which were born not of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. So the Bible is very clear. That's why you have to get away from the Bible. You have to get away from the Bible. If people are bringing up Bible verses like that there's many of them that teach election, then let me just refer to some the theologian of

46:56the past who maybe has often been vilified and that's sufficient. You know, that, look, they're Calvinists and we think this about Calvin and so they have labeled you with, with they think, you know, this moniker, this negative and yet they've evaded the Bible. They are not conducting themselves as Bereans searching the scriptures to see if something is so. It's a tactic. It's a worldly tactic. Yeah, I personally, I think Calvin was, you know, pretty knowledgeable for his time concerning election, but yeah, they're just trying to get it away from the Bible, move the discussion away from scripture because they can't prove.

48:01So go as ours. I saw an image online where somebody had like somebody wearing a shirt instead of saying John 316 and says Calvin 316. And so they basically say, see, look, you're, you know, they label it like that to show. Interestingly enough, they don't seem to worry about folks who cast lots like casinos and scratch offs and lotteries and they're like, oh, you never know, you see the billboards? They don't have no problem casting the lot. But when they hear that salvation is up to God and the fortune or the gift of God, the eternal life is, he gives it to whomever he will. That's when it's a problem. But do you have people casting lots left and right? And they don't say a word about that. And here is the Bible speaking of God's sovereignty of choosing not based on works or efforts, but God's determinate counsel. The lot is cast in the lab and the dispersing there of his of Jehovah. And there's a problem with that. Interesting.

49:04I think it's a word disposing, disposing in his determination. That's right. Thank you. I guess I guess the more modern term for us would have been camping nights. Well, I think I want it. That's the same idea. Or when people find out, oh, you have a date, 2033, you know, much biblical ovens pointing to the end. Well, you know, back Jehovah's Witnesses in the 19th century, they set a date. And this group over here set a date. And there's no comparison. There's no comparison. It's kind of like comparing, you know, someone who early, early attempts to fly. And he glued some bird feathers on his arms and he got up on his barn and jumped off to the right brothers. Now, the right brothers made a serious attempt at flight. They studied it.

50:07They worked at it. They developed a craft, but it's all lumped together or it could be. It could all be lumped together as a failed attempt set flight. And so the lump, Mr. Camping, who did serious, deep Bible study, digging into the scriptures, like you don't see hardly anyone do. And they'll lump it together with some false religion that denies the deity of Christ. And if they're wrong on that point, they have no truth whatsoever. So of course, they're not going to understand time and judgment. We do have a caller. Teacher Alex writes, one of my favorite verses is Jeremiah 522, fear ye not me, say of Jehovah. Will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree that it cannot pass it. And though the waves

51:09thereof toss themselves yet can they not prevail, though they roar, yet can they not pass over it. So there's a good verse there. All right, but I hope please go ahead. I don't have the ability to unmute the car. So just FYI. Hello, everyone. I think I'll alternate with Ms. Mary M. Kuros, you know, like if she calls the one week, then I'll call the next week. And I remember she called life's Friday, I didn't. So if she doesn't call, you won't call. If she doesn't call, no, if I already call, I think I'm going to send it. But anyway, anyway, let's get to business. Yeah, I heard Chris mentioned about the author of sand. I have a few questions. Okay,

52:09the one of the questions is let's stick to one. If you don't mind, you mentioned the author of sand. Okay, and God is, we know he's not the author of sand, because sand is rebellion, sand is an anti-god. So my perspective of him creating the good angel and allowing, as a matter of fact, how did, okay, the question is how did Satan turn against God? If God creates God is good, and he initially creates everything good, wouldn't he have to turn him against himself for him to become an anti-god spirit? And then at the end ended him, like annihilate him. So, sin and author of the author of sand, which he's saying is just temporal for his purpose.

53:16In this creation, this workshop, that is temporary, while he is creating a perfect elect people for himself. So that's on sand. He's not the author of sand. He assigned sand to it. Excuse me. All we know is that Satan was created good. He was an angel. All the angels were created good. Everything God created was good. And yet he sinned. And again, it would require God to lift his hand of restraint off of Satan and the other angels who fell. Now, there's a lot of angels that never fell, and God kept them. He kept them. So according to God's sovereign will,

54:19in a similar way, you know, mankind fell, and God chose, well, I'll save these. I'll not save those. Same thing with the angels, where a number of them fell, and the rest God kept. And they never sinned. So the fact that God kept a number of them reveals to us that he could have kept them all. He could have kept them all, but it wasn't according to his perfect will. And we know why this is how God has planned for things to work out for the gospel in this world. There needed to be this foe, this enemy that would become ruler of sinful men. And so that's the reason why.

55:21Can someone read Isaiah 57, 15? We've just come to a certain point in our program. I just would like to thank you, but I hope we're going to continue this program a little bit later. But we'd like to say goodbye to our current radio listeners. Thanks for joining eBible Fellowship for this segment of the Bible Exalted program. We hope this program has been a blessing to you. We encourage you to visit our website at eBibleFellowship.org for hundreds of hours of faithful Bible studies and also visit our YouTube channel. Until next week at this same time, Lord willing, we'll see you for our next Bible Exalted program. Welcome back to the Bible Exalted program. This is our bonus half an hour. Today's topic is God's sovereignty. And we have our beloved three speakers, Bob Grandi, Chris McCann,

56:23and Carl von Herringa. We just had Louisa with her question and she's making a comment. So Louisa, please go ahead. Hello. Yes, please go ahead. Oh, can you hear me? Yes. Yeah. So one I'm saying is, I say have 57, 15? Can someone read it? Yeah, I'll read it. I'll read them right there. For us, say if the high and lofty one that inhabit at the eternity whose name is Holy, I dwell in the high and holy place with him also. It is of a contrite and humble spirit to revive the spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Yes. So God is self-existent. He is all good. And whatever He wants, He is bringing to eternity for for everlasting is going to be all good. Therefore, He's not bringing evil and

57:27Satan there and the fallen angel. He's going to annihilate them with the fallen man, man kind of unsaved and unelected that He will never turn them. Even the elect had to be turned. I think somewhere in the scriptures says, turn us, turn us and we'll be turned. And I think He turned, okay, so that will mean He turned man in whom were made in the image of God. He turned them around. He turned them on every way He wills. I think Brother Chris, you just read about the heart of the Jesus in his hand. And here Satan is not even made in the fallen angels or not made in his image. So why could he not have turned them as He wills? And He kept the good ones which He never turned them to bad for His purpose. Well, consider what God said about Pharaoh.

58:32He hardened his heart. Yes, hardened his heart. And all God had to do was because again, in time past, the Lord impressed upon men who had the law written upon their heart on their conscience. And there was a reaction of keeping the law, the basic moral code lifts his hand of her strength. And now the desperate evil in man's heart shows itself. Man's heart is a heart of stone. You don't have to harden a heart of stone, right? It's already hard. But by lifting the hand of restraint, that stony heart is evident. And Pharaoh is a type in picture of Satan, of Satan. So, yeah, it was God's plan to let Satan become as evil as he was. But we

59:35were going to try and go continue our discussion on God's sovereign. There's a lot of points to cover. But thank you for calling. Chris? Yeah, it's interesting. The question is, did... Well, hold it. Remember, I said one question. Yeah, remember one question. But thank you again for calling. I was just going to comment on another aspect of sovereignty. In Matthew 24, 35, it says, Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. And in Psalm 138, verse 2, I will worship toward thy holy temple and praise thy name for thy loving kindness and for thy truth. For thou has magnified thy word above all thy name. So, the program is called

1:00:38the Bible Exalted. And God's word is magnified above God's name. And we've learned that God has to obey his word. Somebody was mentioning before, God can't sin against his own word. He can't transgress his own word. So, it's interesting that the Bible is sovereign. God's word is sovereign. And Jesus is the word of God. And so, we can read about Jesus's sovereignty in a lot of places. I'll read, I'll read one in Colossians 1, verses 16 and 17. Or by Him, where all things created, by Christ, that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created by Him and for Him. And he

1:01:44is before all things and by Him, all things consist. Time keeps going on. The sun is still there because Christ wants it to be there until the end of the world. Every blade of grass God is aware of that shoots out of the ground. Everything consists because of Him. And not only that, not only the word is sovereign and Christ is sovereign, but in Luke 22, 41 and 42, we read, and he was withdrawn from them. This is Christ about a stone's cast and kneel down in praise saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cuff from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done. So, here we see that the father is sovereign over, you know, Christ.

1:02:46I forgot to look for a verse to show that the Holy Spirit is sovereign. I don't know if anybody else has something that would show that, but of course, all three of the persons of the Godhead would be sovereign and eternal. I mean, he did say let there be light when he was hovering over the, it's in the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, but I don't know if that shows his, but it does show its power. Was that Elohim? I'm not sure. Genesis, it says the spirit of God moved on. Okay. I think it is Elohim. There's another verse that would tie in with the Proverbs verse, Chris, that you brought up earlier, as far as God moves in the hearts of kings. And a good example was Genesis 26 when he,

1:03:48it's a Bimilek, yeah, it was a Bimilek where he restrained him from sending him against him. And this is a wicked, you know, unsafe person. It's verse six and God said unto him in a dream, yay, I know that thou didest this in the integrity of thy heart. What, what chapter, chapter 20, verses six, chapter, okay. Yeah, I know that thou didest this in the integrity of thy heart, for I also withheld thee from sending against me. Therefore, suffered I the not to touch her. I know there's people out there that teach that God kind of just through mankind, you know, upon the earth and just let them do whatever they want. And he, he doesn't, he stays out of it, but that doesn't agree with the Bible because you have verses like this, you have verses like the one in Psalms 50, I think says that these things have, has not done and I kept silent, thou thoughtest I was altogether such as one as I self, but I will approve thee and set them in order before that in eyes. And I believe that's again,

1:04:52showing that, you know, God watches, watches over things, you know, and he doesn't allow evil to, he doesn't permit evil, you know, for a while, he may, but eventually he will bring justice. And so he doesn't just leave mankind to do whatever they want. There's a verse, Colossians 3, 15, and let the peace of God rule in your hearts to the which also ye are called in one body and be thankful. That word ruling the peace of Christ, I'm sorry, the peace of God ruling in your hearts. There's a verse in Isaiah that has to do with the end of the world and God's sovereignty. It says in Isaiah 46, I'll start in verse 9, remember the former things of old, where I am God,

1:05:53and there is none else, I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. So God has declared the end from the beginning, and the Bible is the book of declarations, so we read about that end in the Bible, and his declaration of it, and he has also set the bounds of their habitation in Deuteronomy 32, verse 8, when the most high divided to the nations, their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

1:06:57So God has established the bound of the sons of Adam, the history of the world. Acts 17 tells us there's an appointed time for the judgment, and Christ is the judge, and that would be according to God's sovereign decree, and that's how we can learn about it, because he's written about it, and he reveals it to us, and it is something that is settled, it is established. It is as good as done, of course, from our perspective, we try to learn when that is. Now some people say you can't know, no man knows, but we realize there's a lot

1:08:01of scripture where God indicates he reveals his secret things to his servants, like he revealed to Noah the timeline of sovereign timeline yet seven days, or when God sent Jonah to Nineveh and had him preach yet 40 days, and Nineveh will be destroyed, or Nineveh will be overthrown. Again, a timeline and definitely full sovereign decrees that this will be the end of Nineveh, this will be the end of the people in Nineveh, but it also had an implication of mercy. The other account, I don't think we address this, was in Exodus 32, this is like the original passage that's been referred to in Romans 9 about Moses asking for himself, for his name to be blotted out, and verse, well start with verse 32, or maybe verse 31, and Moses returned unto

1:09:08Jehovah and said, oh, this people have sinned, a great sin, and it made them gods of gold, yet now if that will forgive their sin, and if not blot me, I pray, I pray the out of the book, which Thou hast written, and Jehovah said unto Moses, whosoever had sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book, and then if you go to the following chapter in verse, chapter 33 in verse 19, Greg says, and he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of Jehovah before thee, and we'll be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and we'll show mercy on whom I will show mercy. So again, going back to salvation, it's not, and it was never in our hands, it's always spinning God's hands, whom he shows mercy to, and whom and also we talked about whom and when, but there's also where that that Bob brought up,

1:10:10and Deuteronomy 16 lays out the location in an interesting way. Deuteronomy 16 says in verse 2, thou shalt therefore sacrifice the Passover unto Jehovah thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which Jehovah shall choose to place his name there, and then down in verse 9, seven weeks, shalt thou number unto the verse 10, it tells us it's the feast of weeks, and then we read in verse 11, and thou shalt rejoice before Jehovah thy God, thou a nice son, and thy daughter, and thy man servant, and thy maid servant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow that are among you, in the place which Jehovah thy God has chosen to place his name there. So the statements made

1:11:11concerning Passover, and the statements made, same stave in concerning Pentecost, and then in verse 13, thou shalt observe the feast of Tabernacles, seven days, and verse 15, seven days, shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto Jehovah thy God in the place which Jehovah shall choose, because Jehovah thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice three times in a year, shall all the males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which he shall choose, in the feast of 11 bread, in the feast of weeks, in the feast of Tabernacles, and they shall not appear before Jehovah empty. So the three main feasts, God says he will choose the place, and we know for Passover the spiritual fulfillment was Christ hanging on the cross, outside the gates of Jerusalem, so Jerusalem or Israel was the place,

1:12:17for Pentecost it was also Jerusalem with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in X2, and it says when Pentecost was fully come, the spiritual meaning of that was finally fulfilled, but their Jerusalem would be a picture of the corporate church, because the Pentecostal harvest took place over the church age, the first fruits were all those saved in congregations. So with Christ being the lamb for the Passover, Israel, with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, the church, and then the final feast, Tabernacles in the place where God will choose, we identify the feast of Tabernacle with a beginning in 1994, the Jubilee year, the end of the church age, and the beginning of what appears to be 40 years, leading up to 2033, and the Israelite spent 40 years in the wilderness,

1:13:22dwelling and boost. So in 1994, the beginning of the spiritual fulfillment of Tabernacles, outside the churches in congregations, because the church age is over, in the place where God chooses, and again he's sovereign, he's sovereign. God determined for almost 2,000 years to operate within Israel, and outside of the Ninevites, and you know a few individuals like Rahab and Neem in the Syrian and Ruth, Moulbites, mainly salvation was taken place in Israel. Then he chose to operate in the midst of the churches, Christ in the midst of the candlesticks, and salvation of the 144,000 first fruits. Then finally he chose to send the gospel to the nations outside of the churches to save the great multitude in the spiritual fulfillment of the feast of in-gathering

1:14:26is held in conjunction with Tabernacles, and so the great multitude is part of that feast of in-gathering, and God is sovereign, and people still fight, they still dispute against each one of those things. We find people today who think Israel is still the people of God, in Christian people. We find people today who think those in the churches in congregations are still the people of God, and we find people today who they deny that a great multitude was saved outside the churches, so there's always, wherever God makes a sovereign decree, people tend to fight against it, whether salvation of the soul and the way God saves the time for it, the duration, God's program

1:15:29of times and seasons, and if he shuts the door, they say no, the door is not shut, or the location, the location. Some even will say, well, it doesn't matter where you're at, you can be in the church, out of the church, you can't limit God's salvation, you can't, you can't say that God won't save someone because of whether they're positioned, whether they're located, because someone is in a church building, and someone outside you're saying, God will save the person outside in the latter reign, but he won't save the person inside in the church, and it's foolishness to them, because they don't understand God here saying, the place where I will choose, the place, the location, I will choose, and it is very important to be inside the ark rather than outside the ark.

1:16:31Inside the ark, that's the place God has chosen to deliver. Outside the ark, there's no place of deliverance. It's very important, so important that God went to Sodom himself in the form of those two messengers to warn Lot. You have to get out of this place. You can't stay in this place, and Lot interceded for Zoar. Can I go here and God permitted it? So the location is important. When God was judging Judea, and he told them you have to go into captivity, and they resisted. They resisted. We're not going to leave. We're the people of God. We're the Jews. This is Jerusalem. This is our land. God has given us this land. We're not going anywhere. They were the rebels. They were the rebel. They were the ones fighting against the will of God, whereas the elect,

1:17:37the ones humbled in heart, submitted to the will of God as declared through Jeremiah the prophet. You have to go out and go into Babylon to be captive. Yes, God does concern himself with location, and His decrees concern location for the spiritual fulfillment of the three main feasts and where people are to be. But again, it's very predictable that if there is a statement like God shut the door, you will have all kinds of people that will fight against it and deny it. Of course, it's not us who are simply, you know, we're just weak, fallible people that God is using.

1:18:41He has to use somebody. It's not coming from us. It's coming from the Word of God, the Bible. That's what they're fighting against. They're fighting against, we didn't shut any door. You know, who among us can shut the door of heaven? The door in the ark, Noah didn't shut. None of the eight souls shut that door. God shut him in and God shut the door on May 21, 2011 and the fighting against it and insisting coming to the door. Lord, Lord, Lord, open unto me and it says in Luke 13, depart from me. Does it say you worker? I don't know if it says workers of Iniquity, but it says, I know not when she are because location, time and location, great multitude outside the church, great multitude. As it says in Revelation 7, the questions asked from wints came the same word

1:19:45wints as in Luke 13, from wints came the, these are the came out of great tribulation. So God knows wints they are, but after that it's judgment day and coming to the door for entrance, God doesn't know from wints anyone approaching the door knocking is coming from because he has no more rain, no more salvation program, it's all completed. Location. God is sovereign, of course. I wanted to mention Chris, when you covered there just now about the spiritual judgment in the location, I believe that's covered in our previous track, right? Spiritual judgment? I don't know if that specifically is covered. I mean, it talks about spiritual judgment beginning

1:20:47on May 21, 2011. I don't know. It's into location. Okay. Okay. Well, I wanted to point out another verse that really settles the case as far as God's sovereignty and salvation in Matthew 1924 through 26. And again, I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceeding exceedingly amazed, saying, who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them and said unto them, with men, this is impossible. So that wipes out the free will doctrine, gospel right there. With men, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. All things have to, having to do with who gets saved, when they get saved, what put in the location that you were just

1:21:53going over. Yeah. Interestingly, Satan likes to impersonate a king or ruler and tries to show forth rulership like Nebuchadnezzar, as Chris was mentioning earlier. If you don't bow down, you know, at this very hour, you'll be thrown into a fiery furnace. And also, when Satan was tempting Christ, he used this verse in Luke 4, verse 6, and the devil said unto him, all this power will I give thee, and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will, I give it. And it's like he's saying, I'll give you, you know, power. And he's trying to, or even Haman. And one of the verses that I love, when I really listened to Haman's story, King Ahaduerus and Esther, chapter 7, verse 5, then the king, then the king Ahaduerus

1:22:58answered and said unto Esther the queen, who was he, and where is he that durses presume in his heart to do so? And that presumptuousness, that the presumption, and that pride is just the rebellion, or the rebellious heart of unsaved man and Satan, where they presume, you know, and they take on, not the humble state, but that presumption. And that verse kind of just stands out to me there. You know, what Chris, a long time ago, I mentioned, Nebuchadnezzar putting up the statue and asking, telling everybody to bow down. And it's kind of a kind of remind me of the final attack when God's, the word of God, was the statement where God and Genesis, I think it's Genesis 126, God made male and female.

1:24:02Right? And the world is throwing up this idol that we have to bow down to where people can change their sex. And look at the turmoil it's making in the world. And it's really never something like that has never really happened before. And there's even though most people don't want to do it, it's still hanging on out there. There's still trying to push it, teaching it in schools and in the media, it's something that they want us to bow down to. Well, some do. Thankfully, there's a back and forth of wills. There is another side that's troubled by it, like Congressman and talking about I was very troubling. It's only a small minority of people that want to push this,

1:25:09but it gained a lot of traction during judgment day. I'm sure this is being done by the permissive will of God to, you know, cause division, cause division. Yeah, trouble. It's very trouble. Let me get a question in the comment. We're concerning the what the First Bob read about. It's impossible for a the camel to go through the eye of the needle. And this person writes, people will argue it's because it says rich man. How can we explain what that is referring to? So I need to look at it literally as God is referring to little Richmond or is there the spiritual understanding to that? Matthew 19, Matthew 94, 24. Again, I sent you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Well, the way they, when they were looking at that, and you could see by their reaction,

1:26:13the idea was in the minds of Israel that if you're a rich man, you're blessed by God because of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, they were all rich men. And also Solomon, given wisdom and riches. So the at least in their minds that we can gather this from from the reaction, the rich young ruler going away sorrowful because Jesus at the end of their talk said to him, if that will be perfect, verse 21, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor. And thou should have treasure in heaven and come and follow me. And but when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful for yet great possessions, then Jesus says that a rich man shall

1:27:13hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven, a kingdom of kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, who then can be saved? So it's not the same idea we might have today, you know, where people tend to think rich people are corrupt and everything. The idea at that time was, this is someone blessed of God. And the poor or those with afflictions were not as blessed. And remember the blind man, the blind man brought before the council. They thought that there was sin. And that's why he was born blind. That who did sin, this man or his parents. And that was the idea that people would affliction, the poor, and so forth.

1:28:16But they're, they're thinking if a rich man can't make it, nobody can make it. That would be the understanding of that. And the way they ask the question, who then can be saved? And Jesus confirms that's exactly what he meant. No man, no person can enter into heaven. And we know that's what he meant because with men, this is impossible. What's impossible? The question they asked him, who then can be saved? With men, salvation is impossible, but with God. And it's that conjunction but that we find that is really beautiful, beautiful little word, John 1 verse 13, which were born,

1:29:17not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Isn't there also a rich, if somebody's rich, it could be, you know, spiritual was like spiritual, like they think that they're okay with God, the righteous, like in the poor and spirit, you know, like in Revelation 3 verse 17, because thou sayest I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched. So it, you know, it compares rich with being a wretched, right? Those, those two are opposite, but, you know, so that's what I just wanted to mention. Well, there's a, there's a proverb. Yeah, in Proverbs and Psalms,

1:30:18you know, it's about. Proverbs. Proverbs. It joins the idea of wisdom with, with riches. It's a rich, the rich man in Lazarus from thine own wisdom, and then it makes a statement about riches. So there's a, a relationship between wisdom and riches, just like Solomon was wise and rich, and, and, and so the spiritual meaning would be someone with a reputation in Israel at that time, or the church, for wisdom or knowledge of God, that this is a holy man, or this is a righteous man, and, and no, doesn't matter how holy, how righteous you think you are, that, that would be the spiritual meaning, and, and when, when Jesus says it's impossible with men, that has to do with all men, from the so-called holy men, and religious men, to, you know, the basis of men.

1:31:26I was going to say, I wonder what they thought of Joe, but he was giving back more riches, but he did lose everything, you know, most of his stuff. Well, that's why the three friends were blaming him. He had to do something. He had to do something that, before you, you were faithful, you were, you were rich, and now you lost all your riches, you must have sinned. You must have sinned. That, that was in their, in their mind. Now, somebody asked the same question. I brought up the, the poor in spirit, doesn't that relate to being spiritually rich versus being poor, and also, uh, first Corinthians 4, 8 says, now you're full, now you're rich. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's back before, like the verse, um, you just read in Revelation, that kind of explains it where it says, in verse 17, because they'll say as I am rich, and increase with goods, and a mean of nothing, spiritually, that would be the equivalent of saying,

1:32:28I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian. And know us not that they'll are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. You're not a true Christian. You're not born in, you're in your sins saved. Yeah. I counseled you to buy me gold, tried in the fire that thou mayest be rich. That is, there is true spiritual riches in Christ. And not just like in Moses. Truly saved is rich, like Lazarus, poor in his life, but at the end of the life, he's in Abraham's bosom, he was rich. He was, he was really the rich one and the rich man, rich of his life, but at his death, he's in, he's in hell and torment. So he was really the poor, the poor man. I was just thinking Moses, he basically gave up all the riches of Egypt. So you would have made me thought they would have thought about what about Moses. He chose to suffer a

1:33:30affliction and basically give up all that wealth, you know, what wealth did he have in the wilderness? You mean disciples hearing Jesus? Right. You would have maybe thought about Moses. Yeah. I'm sure they could have brought up a few people and said, well, what about this? Yeah, or the widow, remember, in the Lysha's days, she was four. But Moses would be a better example because he was a major, major prophet, I guess. Yeah, there's riches and riches in the spirit. Yeah. Well, does anyone have anything else before we close the program? I got one more verse that I found and I just thought it was going to be interesting. This one's, did I lose it? It's in Psalms. If I can't find it, we'll just close out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Psalms 25-12. It says, what man is he that fear of Jehovah? Him shall he teach in the way he shall choose. I just thought

1:34:34that was kind of interesting. I don't know what it means, but is that maybe teaching God as various ways of teaching people truth, different ways? Interesting. God's gospel he chooses, he determines. And you know, the way I should do with the Bible in the scriptures, not necessarily like an individual route, but the way is the truth and the light, you know. I was just going to mention one more verse real quick, the fact that God, you know, he has a timing for revealing truth, again, shows his sovereignty in Daniel 12 verses 9 and 10. And he said, go that way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified and made white and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand, but the why shall understand. Yeah. And then Christ spoke in parables and, you know, so that seeing they would not see and hearing they would not hear. And so for certain ones, not given to them. Right.

1:35:44All right. Exactly. Well, folks, this was an excellent topic, God's sovereignty. And it really pointed to God's salvation and many other things that really was a blessing. And I hope you were also blessed and identified by this topic. This altogether effectively closes our program, the Bible exalted. Please join us next time Friday evenings 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, tell your friends and loved ones about this program. We hope that you can join us next time. And until then, may God keep you as we are living in the day of judgment. Bye. Good night. Thanks for joining us for this segment of the Bible Exalted Program, presented by E Bible Fellowship, the Electronic Bible Fellowship. Visit our website at ebibelfelowship.org or our YouTube channel.

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