The Bible Exalted! 030 The Tribulation

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I'm your host Gary Daniels and today we are seeking the Bible's answers to various topics

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Tribulation. That's Tribulation and where do we go from there and we'll start with you Bob.

Thanks Gary. Hello everybody there at stream yard, our new platform.

Well, let's start off with what the world says that Tribulation is. The dictionary definition is

that it's distress or suffering or resulting from oppression or persecution as well as a trying

experience and it often refers to severe affliction or the troubles and distresses of life.

I thought that was a good description for the world but as usual we have to go to the Bible to see

how God defines Tribulation. Now the Bible teaches that after Adam and Eve sinned over 13,000 years

ago God's entire creation was cursed and subject to Tribulation throughout time and here's a

couple of verses from the Bible, the King James Bible that show this and John 1633. We read these

things I have spoken unto you that in me you might have peace in the world you shall have Tribulation

but be of good cheer I have overcome the world and Acts 1422 confirming the souls of the disciples

and exhorting them to continue in the faith and that we must through much Tribulation enter into

the Kingdom of God and lastly in 2 Corinthians 1 verse 4 who comfort us in all our Tribulation

that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble by the comfort wherewith we ourselves

are comforted of God. So in the New Testament the word Tribulation comes from the Greek word

Thelipsis, THL, IP, SIS and that's the in the Stronges Concordance that's the number G2347

and that G2347 comes from G2346 which is Thelibo, THL, IBO. Now Thelipsis is found 45 times

in the New Testament and translated as Tribulation 21 times and then 17 times as affliction,

three times as trouble and one time each as anguish, persecution, burdened and to be afflicted.

In Matthew 24 the disciples of Jesus asked him, tell us when will these things be and what

will shall be the sign of Thy coming and of the end of the world and later in the process of

entering this question, Jesus said in Matthew 24 verses 21 and 22, for then shall be great Tribulation

such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be and except those

days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved but for the elect's sake those days shall

be shortened. Now the Greek words, great Tribulation, I'm sorry the English words, great Tribulation come

from the Greek words, G3133 which is Megus standing for great and Thelipsis 2347 and we'll take

it, we'll take a look at some other verses that use Megus Thelipsis later on in this discussion,

I'm sure that it'll come up but these verses in Matthew 24 are definitely speaking about the

end of the world and as a result many false end time scenarios have been created by theologians

and others who misunderstand what these verses say but by comparing spiritual things with

spiritual things as we're commanded to do we can boldly say that the great Tribulation referred to

in Matthew 24 has been complete, has been fulfilled already, it has been completed, it's done

and it began when the Holy Spirit abandoned and departed from all churches and all congregations

on the date of May 21, 1988 and it ended on May 21, 2011 exactly 23 years later,

and the 23 years turns out to be exactly 8400 days which we'll talk about later,

so the the shut door of salvation and the cup of God's spiritual wrath that had been poured out on

all of the corporate church for 23 years was transitioned by God to be executed on the entire world

on May 21, 2011 and God has been merciful to show us that his wrath that is being poured out in

the entire world since May 21, 2011 is not only called judgment day but it's also called a

recompense Tribulation and we can think of it as God's repayment after Satan ruled during the 23

year great Tribulation and we read all about this recompense Tribulation in 2nd Thessalonians 1

verses 6 to 10, I'll read that seeing it as a righteous thing with God to recompense Tribulation

that's G 2347 to them that trouble that now this is this where trouble is 2346 which is what

Tribulation is derived from so trouble and Tribulation are very closely related.

I'll start over seeing it as a righteous thing with God to recompense Tribulation to them that

trouble you and to you who are troubled as 2346 again rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be

revealed from heaven as my angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God

and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who shall be punished with everlasting

destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to be

glorified in his saints and to be admired in all them that believe because our testimony among

you was believed in that day and that day started on May 21, 2011 it continues on till today and

and in all the biblical evidence is pointing to 2033 for its completion of the recompense Tribulation

and with that I will pass it on to another member of the panel.

Thank you Bob I always enjoy your opening statements really give a robust

presentation of the word tribulation I learned so I think I left more for for you guys this time

so meet on the bone yes thank you thank you I do remember growing up and Chris did a study on

tribulation and if I remember correctly Chris since you're here did you say there were

two or three tribulations because I know we have yeah well actually God has an end time judgment

plan of two tribulations and I think there's something that I like to lay out that may take a few

minutes okay and and some scriptures that will help us understand why it is that God has judged

the church and the judgment on the church is the great tribulation if we if we go to numbers

25 numbers 25 it says in verse one an Israel abode in shittom and the people began to commit

hoard them with the daughters of Moab and verse three in Israel joined himself onto bail p.or

and the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel and then a little further down it says in

verse nine and those that died in the plague were 24,000 so this historical event is when

it was actually bail him bail him who was hired to curse Israel and he kept blessing them

and yet he did counsel the ones that hired him concerning their daughters and and he basically got

them to ensnare the Israelites into their idol worship of bail p.or and it says over in numbers 31

that that bail him they killed in verse eight and they slew the kings of midian

beside the rest of them they were slaying namely evie and rickum and sir and her and reba

five kings of midian bail him also the son of b or they slew with the sword now sometimes when

you read about bail him in the bible it seems like he's almost a good prophet a faithful prophet

but no he was very evil and the new testament tells us you know he's among those false prophets that

God warns don't go in the way of bail him or kora and Israel actually killed him and at this time

it says in numbers 31 verse 14 and Moses was wroth with the officers of the host with the captains

over thousands and captains over hundreds which came from the battle and Moses said unto them have

he saved all the women alive be behold these caused the children of Israel through the counsel of

bail him to commit trespass against johova in the matter of p.or and there was a plague among the

congregation of johova so that's that's the plague in numbers 25 where it says 24,000 people died

in the new testament in 1 Corinthians 10 God tells us that this was an example he says in 1

Corinthians 10 in verse 6 now these things were our examples to the intent that we should not

lust after evil things as they also lusted neither be idolaters as were some of them as it is

written the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play neither let us commit fornication

as some of them committed and fell in one day three and 20,000 there the numbers different

and no it's not an error this says fell in one day and this is how God wrote the Bible often

to give an appearance of error or contradiction but never the actuality of it because the

holy and perfect and true and so in one day 23,000 died and overall maybe two days 24,000 died

so both statements are true and and the 23,000 though that's important because God is linking

the number 23 and multiples of 10 and 10 points of completeness and 23 in the bible points

to tribulation or judgment and and so we see this matter of Bale Pior where 23,000 died in one day

because they were committing fornication committing fornication when the early church

met they they had a lot to kind of work out due to judyizers and those that said you have to

keep the law of Moses you have to be circumcised these were big issues for the early church

and then they held a council to discuss these things and they came up with just four laws

for the new testament churches and congregations for the Gentiles who would enter into the churches

and congregations it says in Acts 15 verse 19 I think this is James where for my sentences

that we trouble not them which from among the Gentiles are turned to God that is don't trouble them

with sacrifices with circumcision you know all these things that that the Jews had to keep in the old

testament we trouble not them which from among the Gentiles are turned to God but that we write

onto them that they abstain from pollution the vitals Bale Pior and from fornication and from

things strangled in from blood so the church was commanded to abstain from fornication and

over in verses 28 and 29 same chapter for it seemed good to the holy ghost and to us to lay upon

you no greater burden than these necessary things that you abstain from meats offered to idols

and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication from which if you keep yourselves you

shall do well fair ye well that's a law for the New Testament church and then we find in the book

of Revelation chapter 2 where where God is addressing the churches that they violated that law

it says in in Revelation 2 let's see Revelation 2 14 but I have a few things against the

and this is the church of Pergamus because they'll ask there them that hold the doctrine of Baleum

who taught Balech to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel to eat things sacrifice

done to idols Bale Pior and to commit fornication and and so that's a big thing that violates the law

that that was established and the holy ghost was you know that's the word of God anyway of course

it's the holy ghost that's that's the law of God for the church you must not commit fornication

now it goes on to say in another address to the church in Thyatira in Revelation 2 in verse 20

notwithstanding I have a few things against the because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel who

calleth herself a prophetess to to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication

and to eat things sacrificed on to idols the the connection is made to this committing fornication

to Jezebel teaching falsely false teaching false gospels are what God is referring to its spiritual

fornication that's why it's addressed to the church you know abstain from idols of course abstain

from fornication committing fornication and yet the churches did it in the first century in the

first century it goes on to say in Revelation 2 verse 21 and I gave her space to repent of her

fornication and she repented not behold I will cast her into a bed and then the committed

adultery with her into great tribulation there there's where the great tribulation comes in that

Bob was mentioning if if you engage in spiritual fornication which is teaching wrongly falsely

and you're you're doing what the Israelites did on a more literal level and and God will judge you

churches and congregations as it it says in Revelation 2 in verse 29 he that half and

here let him hear what the spirit say if unto the churches so the church of

say entire the church of Pergamus God is speaking to them but it's addressed to all the churches

and all the churches but that's the question have they taught falsely have they brought false

gospels and the answer is yes yes they have taught falsely they have brought false gospels they have

therefore committed spiritual fornication and the judgment of God was I will cast her into a bed

and then the committed adultery with her into great tribulation megas thalipsus and that's why

God ended the church age 1988 and the great tribulation began which is great tribulation is the

is with simultaneous with God's judgment beginning at the house of God it's the judgment of God

upon the churches and congregations for the matter we can say of Bale Pior now one one other thing

one other thing you know the 23,000 the 23,000 well in numbers 31 if we go back there

after they wipe out the media nights at the command of God for

causing Israel to you know it was a plan to cause at baylam's council causing Israel to fall in

this and God said now I want you to destroy the media nights and they they went to battle and they

destroyed the media nights and they took back pray the spoil that is called pray and when we count

up the the the the amount of the pray and it's listed in later on the chapter I won't go through

that detail but the amount of the pray totals 840,000 and that involves animals and people

it's 840,000 then God tells them take half 420,000 and and give it to that that would be to the

those who went to war the soldiers and now the 420,000 the Lord would take his portion

and what was the portion of the Lord and of you know the calculations are given in the chapter

anybody of course read it and you know get your calculator and you'll see this is correct

out of the 420,000 given to the men of war the Lord's portion was 840 and then there was the

other half which was 420,000 given to the congregation of Israel that did not go to the war

and out of that there was a portion for the Levites and the Levites portion was when again

God would say give a certain number to the Levites their portion was 8400 so we we say 840,000 total

overall Jehovah's portion 840 Levites portion was 8400 and then actually I thought it'd be

interesting well what if you minus 840,000 minus 8400 minus 840 you know the Lord's portion

of Levites portion and the number left the number left I don't remember the number sorry

but I do remember what it broke down to 7 times 276 times 430 and another way of putting that 7 times

12 times 23 which totals 276 times 10 times 43 which totals 430 but the 276 from the men on

board the ship and X 27 and and that's one of those extra special numbers you know it's 12 times

23 23 is a tribulation number that that's something we should really get in our heads 12 would be

fullness and also it's a special number because if you go if you add up 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4 all

the way to 23 totals 276 so it's it's like a extra special emphasis on the number 23

but see this is why we we relate 84 the number 84 with 23 23,000 die in the matter of bail pure

and then when they wipe them out and they take the spoil 84 84 84 multiples you know multiples

of 10 to what it what is this 84 well in the actual great tribulation from May 21 1988 through

May 21 2011 23 exact years 8400 days we see that relationship 84 23 or there are those who like

to speak of the tribulation they think it'll be 7 years and actually the Bible uses the figure

of 7 years in the days of of Joseph in the time of Joseph there was a famine 7 years long

and that famine is called great tribulation or great affliction that the Greek word is same as

Revelation 2 in Matthew 24 but but 7 years times 12 12 months in a year 84 months so when when

we look at all the tribulation figures in the Bible the 7 years there's three and a half days

in Revelation 11 84 hours there's the 70 year historical judgment of Judah 70 times 12 840

that we we continually see 84 84 but especially in relationship to the 23 the 23 years 8400 days

that that basically is the time God judged the church why because they committed fornication they

spiritual fornication they were engaged in spiritual idolatry bail pure and and the Lord is a

jealous God and he he eventually judged Israel completely for the same thing and and he

judged the church too great thanks Chris we're going to check in with the audience you are listening to

the Bible exalted program that was a very good explanation about tribulation especially

about the number 84 that's really very much a blessing to see that number especially the breakdown so

we're going to check in with our our folks who have made some comments Carl I think you highlighted

someone there could you read that all right so this person writes on Facebook tell me about

Jesus second coming in the current situation in the world where we are going

all right so I think a good question yeah yeah anybody want to start

well well like we like I was saying before the Bible teaches that Jesus already came

in judgment upon the whole world in on May 21 2011 he started that with the church he began with

the judgment of the church and officially in 1994 September 7 1994 judgment begins with the house

of God and as we read in 1 Peter 417 and then after the after the the full 23 years of the

great tribulation ended on May 21 2011 Jesus put down Satan from rolling in the churches

and and God and God installed him there as part of the judgment on the churches and for that whole

23 years and that was always Satan's desire as as we read in I think it's Isaiah 14 and then

May 21 2011 God the cup of his wrath that was being poured out on the corporate church was then

extended to be poured out on the the whole rest of the world and it's all spiritual you can't see it

and it's a spiritual judgment and you know just like the judgment on Adam and Eve when they

sinned God said in the day you eat of this fruit you will surely die but you know they ate the

fruit and Adam lived I think to 930 years old physically but he had spiritually died and he was

he and every the whole human race he became under the the the judgment of God and subject to his

wrath unless he intervened during our lifetime to to make us born again spiritually and yeah so

since since May 21 2011 the world has been under spiritual judgment and we we

Christ came in the clouds of glory not not the physical clouds that everybody's looking for him to

come in he came in the clouds of witnesses in the Bible the Bible is a cloud of witnesses and we

we we've come to understand from the Bible that that's according to the biblical timeline of history

that's when he came yeah there's there's much to discuss when you say tell me about Jesus second

coming because judgment first begins at the house of God and so when we say you know Jesus second coming

there has to be certain events that need to take place in order for Christ to come in rule so Satan

obviously unfortunately took his seat in the temple showing himself to be God and so there are

end time data points and and physical spiritual things that that took place like Israel becoming a

nation in 1948 that was the parable of the victory and so there are certain things that that would

have to take place in order for Christ to to come certain fulfilled prophecy in the scriptures

and so the current situation in the world I'm sure a lot of people are asking that now I just heard

an article that church attendance has gone up but we are in a state of hell it's hell on earth

Christ is ruling as judge and he's pouring out his vials of wrath upon the earth

and that's all spiritual language of course and so that is the current situation in the world and

when we talk about the vials that's the that's the wrath of God declared from the word of God

so when so when someone hears the vials you're not it's not a physical flask or a volcano or

anything anything physical in nature but it's the word of God being fulfilled

bringing judgment and condemning the wicked and the unjust and so this this no salvation is the

current situation in the world and I believe where we are going is the fulfillment of the timeline of

history and I believe mounting biblical evidence culminating to 2033 Lord willing based on mounting

biblical evidence that would be the year of the rapture that's why I believe we are going

and a lot of churches they'll tell you right now there's like a checklist of things that

still have to happen in order for Jesus to come and they don't realize that everything's been

checked you know we've already passed the great tribulation or in judgment day and so what everything

that's happening in the world we're not looking for Christ coming we're we're going through he's

Christ has already come so this we're in the end of the world the end time yeah that that's a good

question thank you for asking that question that is a good question and it's a little similar to

what the disciples asked in Matthew 24 what should be the sign as I coming in the end of the world

and in Matthew 24 Jesus in the whole chapter goes into explanation for that and it has to do

with he he mentions false prophets and false Christ and and that would tie in with a church that

goes apostate falls away from truth and we've seen that with the churches of the world the churches

of the world are not true to the Bible and that's that spiritual fornication that I was mentioning

earlier and so God began the first Peter 417 says judgment begins at the house of God

but it transitioned and and this has already taken place on May 21, 2011 that was the day of transition

from God just judging the churches of the world to now judging all unsaved inhabitants of the world

and we have been living on the earth since then till now in the day of judgment in the day of the

wrath of God and it's the reason why the world is so troubled right now the Christ has come

spiritually and in order to understand if that's possible just think of the Garden of Eden

when God told Adam in the day you eat of the fruit of this tree you will die and Adam did he

and he did they fall over physically and die no they lived Adam lived 930 years after that

and so he did not die physically well did he not die at all no he did die in that day in his soul

as E. 18 verse 4 tells us the soul that's zenith it shall die and and so the soul is our spirit you

can't see it it's invisible spiritual things are invisible things and and yet that was a judgment

upon mankind that was invisible it was spiritual that's what God has done on May 21, 2011 he shut

the door of heaven while we never saw heaven's door when it was open it's not a physical thing

heaven heaven itself is a spiritual place and and God shutting the door we didn't see but the

Bible tells us about it and let me read a verse where God says that in Luke 13 in verse 24 or 25

Luke 13 25 when once the master of houses risen up and has shut to the door and he began to

stand without him to knock at the door saying Lord Lord open unto us and he shall answer and say unto

you I know you not when she are that's where we're at that's where we're at the master of the

house is God he's risen up in judgment and shut the door to heaven which is a spiritual door

but he tells us in the Bible and and so the people of God are given eyes to see spiritual things the

truth of scripture and we're given eyes of understanding so we understand yes because the Bible

locked in that day and much other information it's judgment day on the world it's a spiritual

judgment at this time and where we're going is to the last day of a prolonged judgment day period

and and there's much biblical evidence pointing to the year 2033 for the end it you know a lot of

theologians speak of a lot of different scenarios and they talk about Christ coming and

raining a thousand years on the earth and it's it's not that it's not that it will be the end of

the world the end of all things if the biblical evidence is proven correct and you know all the

scriptures that are pointing to this and it must happen surely there is an end there there will

come an end to this world and can can we really pick a better time than now can we can we

find a generation of men upon the earth and all past history that that is like this present

generation of men upon the earth or it is this the last generation it it would seem fitting for this

generation that has so much a bounding iniquity multiplication of a liquid across the face of the

earth in every way imaginable that this is an appropriate generation for God to end the world

the things going on in the world today are very much lined up with what we would expect for an

end time generation unless you can you can imagine a world worse and and that is always possible

yes men can go ever further down into the depths of depravity but this is you know sufficiently

bad enough I think and and the timetable the Bible is laid out pointing to this particular year

and that year is not far away but at this time we're not trying to frighten anyone we're not

trying to scare you we don't want you to accept anything we don't want anyone who is listening

to walk down an aisle that that's a false gospel that's part of the spiritual fornication accepting

Christ walking down aisles making decisions for Christ God doesn't want any of that God doesn't

want any of that in the people who truly represent God we don't want that either we don't want

anyone to do anything we're not trying to scare anyone we're not even trying to warn you

we're we're actually we're just trying to feed the sheep because there is a great multitude out

there that God has already saved and he saved them with that message of judgment and they will

be very much in tune when they hear judgment day May 21 2011 and 2033 the end of the world that

that is basically the spiritual food that that we're trying to share and we're we're you know comes

from the Bible it's it's not coming from us now that's why we'll constantly refer to scripture

to prove our points hey Chris you mentioned the door to heaven was shut you know and that was just

like what happened back in 4990 BC and after Noah built the ark at God's direction

God brought the flood and it says that you know God shut the door to the ark and everybody in the

inside all the animals and Noah's family what they were all safe and sound and all everybody

outside died because the waters you know when above the highest mountains of that day

was it 23 qubits 15 qubits yeah okay 15 qubits but anyhow and and Jesus says as in the days of

know or so shall the coming of the son of man be and you know that equates with the fact that

God shut the door the spiritual door that you were talking about that nobody can see

he he shut the door of heaven which means there's no more salvation after May 21 2011 and there's

a couple of verses that that at point to this and that talk about tribulation to use the word

tribulation in Matthew 2429 we read immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the

son be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken you know and of course all of these figures

the sun the moon the stars and the powers of the heavens they're all you can't look at them as

physical things you have to look at them spiritually and they are all lights and that they

rep you know they represent the light of the gospel and so the light that provides salvation

the you know the sun being a figure of Christ and the moon a figure of the Bible the stars a figure

of the elect and and the powers of the heavens of the power of salvation so after the tribulation

which was which ended on May 21 2011 all of these lights were put out meaning there was no more

salvation and an associate verse is also in Mark 1324 where it says but in those days after

that tribulation the son shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light saying the same thing

so we got we got another comment somebody writes religion is a mental illness is that

causes unable to distinguish between reality and fiction wow where do we go with that well the

Bible is the is the true reality well well you know have you you know this gentleman have you

looked at your world recently have you looked out the window and doesn't matter where you're at

take a look at your world and the you know it's it's an old hat the rolling of the eyes and my

aren't you crazy because you believe the Bible that tactic and it is a tactic doesn't work anymore

and the reason why is because you're a world and I say you're a world because you know gods

elect were in the world but were not of the world Jesus said I pray for them I do not pray for

the world so we we've been translated from this world it's it's not our world we're we're

strangers we're passers-by and we're soon to pass out of here but um have you taken a look at

your world it's not the world of the god of the well god made it but it is the people of the

earth that have corrupted it to the degree that it's corrupt and look out there and here's what

you'll see and god wrote about it very clearly in Ecclesiastes chapter 9 let me let me read this

and you'll see why you're a tactic you you really have to come up with something else

it says in Ecclesiastes 9 verse 3 this is an evil among all things that are done

under the sun that there is one event unto all yay also the heart of the sons of men is

full of evil and madness is in their heart while they live and after that they go to the dead

that is a description of the people of the world that there's madness in your in their hearts

and their hearts are full of evil so really the bible is the solution to madness

there was a man who had legions and we could say he was out of his mind he he was possessed with devils

in Luke chapter 8 and Christ cast out the devils and then we read that the man

well he he was running real naked he was clothed and in his right mind that that is what the

bible does to the child of god it takes away the madness of thinking that you know first of all

that that we came from big bangs and evolution we we came from something that they it's so ridiculous

and absurd a trillabite of origin it's nonsense it's absolute nonsense and yet because people of the

world the the last thing they want is there to be an actual god a real god the god of the bible

because they know they're in trouble with god so they will they will prefer the madness and

ridiculous theories of evolutions and whatever origin other than the plain statement of the god of

the bible the creator in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth and there we have

explanation but yeah well thanks thanks for commenting but your your comment has I'll just say this

and then Gary can go your your comment has no force no force what it's it's that like the old saying

you know the inmates are running the asylum when the people of the world in their madness

try to mock others oh you're crazy because you believe that book the bible and and and you

when we can see their madness it's so evident it's so plain you can see the madness of the world

so you have lost any high ground that seemingly you once possession never really possessed it

but you have lost it and and it doesn't matter what kind of statement you make because everyone knows

the whole world's crazy yeah there's a bible verse in James 1 verse 26 and 27 many times I would

pass out tracks and people would say I don't I don't like religion and I would say well there's

something called pure religion have you ever heard of it so verse 26 and 27 of James 1 if any man

among you seem to be religious and bridal if not his tongue but to see with his own heart this man's

religion is vain pure religion and undefiled before God and the father is this to visit the

fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world so I love

it when someone tries to point the finger at religion they may have seen you know many people

abusing that's true a bible true yeah that's a good point that's a good point and and you're right

there there is pure religion the pure religion is the bible and and I understand I understand atheists

and and they look out there and they see they see the false religions of the world and it's all of

them and then they see the Christian in the churches and they don't have understanding that the

God of the bible who established the church he set it up it's his institution and during the time

of the church it was a good institution in of course there was always apostate churches but

we've come to the end of the church age to the end of of the time where God was using the churches

and people think they're they're going to lash out at the church by saying something like

that to us and they don't have understanding we have no part of any church as a matter of fact

we teach from the bible the church ages over and God is judging all the churches and and so

yes it's true if you look at the corrupt religions and and that's all religions including

all churches doesn't matter denomination all churches in the world all apostate and judged

and and the God of the bible has nothing to do with them the churches of the world are actually

part of your world they're part of your world they're they're just like the Muslim just like

the Buddhist just like the the Jewish religions they're all part of your world they are not

identified with the God of the bible anymore and we on this program at e-bible fellowship

we're not identified with any of them we agree they're corrupt they're apostate but it's when

you say this book and the God of this book it when you speak against that well then you've gone too far

and now you're in as much error as the churches that you might point your finger at or as

whatever religion you're pointing your finger at and you're saying there are liars and well now

when you say the God of the bible and the holy word of God the bible itself is not true or God doesn't

exist now you're the liar and you're on equal footing as far as putting forth falsehoods as

every one of those religions there's no difference and you're all as a matter of fact

you're all serving the same spiritual father the father of lies who is the devil Satan himself

and and so you might sit back and mock and laugh and and and and point your bony finger at this

religion and that religion and like the saying goes the other fingers are pointing back at you

at or the atheist and the secularists because you're just as you're in the same boat you're in

the same condition there's one more verse I wanted to share and then we can go to that

next question but in Jeremiah 50 which is referring to our time period now the judgements on the

world it says a drought is upon her waters and they shall be dried up for it is the land of

graven images and they are mad upon the idols you see the world and all their religions they're

they're the ones who are the mad ones right they're going after all these false gods that they

worshiped it doesn't have to be literal gods it can be you know celebrities just various different

types of idols well well you see Carl to say if you read the Bible half hour a day you're a

fanatic but if you pour over sports you know all day long three four five hours and you call up

the the sports programs and well before that you're listening all day you're calling them up

and you're glued to your TV or your computer you know for the three and a half hour game or four

or maybe you go to the game and wintery conditions you rip off your shirt your painted half

blue and half whatever color and you're screaming yourself horse for four hours that's normal

that's normal but to pick up the word of God and and to love the word of God and dig into the word

of God and study the word of God what a nut what a shout I grew up like that I know exactly

how the world thinks and I also know the world is out of its mind has always been out of its

mind and gone at the last is showing us it's out of its mind that's what's happening now

and also just not to mention the churches you know they've they've become mad now that God's

part of the world yeah they've been annex they that's what happened and say you entered in he took

them over there that that's what I mean when I said that criticizing the church okay well God

has nothing to do with that the spirit of God's not there that they're part of your world on that

you Carl they're part of the world and you know in other words the atheist has more connection

to the church at this time than the elect we've come out of the church we're we follow Christ he

left the church we followed him out we have nothing to do with any churches so if religions

causing a problem in the world if it's causing or or involved in wars and all that kind that's

nothing to do as far as you know identifying with the God of the Bible anymore

I love that comment for more on I'm actually honored

but the Bible does say we're cool some honors they think well I don't know about that

I'm looking for a verse in an axe where Paul was in front of either Felix or Festus like

I can't find it but it says Paul you know you're mad yeah you're excited

yeah much nerdy yeah yeah yeah yeah uh anybody find that verse I could find you know it's

interesting it's the first axe 26 do you try there maybe the last person the person saying that

we're morons I I would be so surprised to say well what's your solution you know he probably

would say well just be a good person the see I would just delete yeah he you know what's what's

the point when when somebody just gets into insulting he's not making any statement he he's not

all right you know we just talked about a whole bunch of stuff I just said the whole world's mad and

insane defend it defend it go ahead put it in the text you tell me how the world is so sane you tell

me how people are in their right minds go ahead do that but you can't you can't so you say oh yeah

you know he you you know you can't attack the substance because it's the truth and so all you

can do is is say you know I don't like the way you look or you're more okay so what I don't care

we have a better comment no concern for that that that has nothing to do with you know if you

want to engage in a conversation then and this is your world why don't you stick up for

why don't you stick up for us you know we're we're representing by God's grace the word of God

the Bible and we'll tell you this book is the truth this book is holy this book is so much

greater and better than anything in this whole corrupt world and now you're it's your world

that's shaking out there you're a world that's on fire out there come defend your world

no big problem is that people don't believe in the resurrection of Christ and that we will be

resurrected or raptured at the end of the world you know and that's and we're called fools and

and I found that verse it says a Paul was saying it's Acts 26 23 that Christ should suffer Paul

was saying this that Christ should suffer and that he should be the first that should rise from

the dead and that and should show light unto the people and to the Gentiles and as he thus

spake for himself Festus said with a loud voice Paul thou art beside thyself much learning does

make the mad and that's what this guy is saying but Paul said but he said I am not mad most noble

Festus but speak forth the words of truth and soberness that's what that's what we're trying to

point out yeah remember when lot told his sons-in-law he said up get you out of this place for God's

going to destroy the city they thought he was mocking he thought they were one that mocked so

that just lets you know you know they make light of the word of God and God says those that will do

so will be lightly esteemed so as much as they disregard God God in turn is just as much

disregarded them well and also just consider Paul's life you know before before that he was

putting Christians to death you know and they and they're considering him mad when he's actually

doing something good I see we have another question on the screen I'll read it from read did you say

that May 21 2011 was the start of the end times and actually what we've been saying

is that there's two tribulations at the time of the end and tribulation is a synonym for judgment

and God began judgment at the house of God and the house of God is the church and that started

uh way back for 17 yeah way back 1988 and went 23 years until 2011 actually started May 21

1988 went to May 21 2011 that finished the judgmental in the church and began the second phase the

judgment on the world and and so two tribulations two judgments um and and so since May 21 2011

God has been judging the world what's wrong with the world now what um why is the world so divided

well what does it say in the Bible a house divided cannot stand a kingdom divided cannot stand

and if Satan be divided he cannot stand but has an end so the the world

Jesus is the judge and divider and Jesus is the judge and divider and the nations are or were the

kingdom of Satan uh he he had won them by right of conquest and now the nations are divided

indicating the kingdom of Satan consisting of all really unsafe inhabitants of the earth

has fallen the world has fallen it's it's why um you know everyone in their brother

is arguing with one another uh hostily and and uh there's little agreement and when people find

agreement well wait a little bit wait a little bit and you'll see those who are a greater now

at each other's growth that's the nature of judgment day and we we could provide i don't think

this kind of program would be the best for it but we could show you four or five scriptures

end time scriptures where the bible says that they destroyed one another everyone against their

brother and and that's what's happening on the street in in all the cities all the nations of the

world it is it is the unsaved against the unsaved fighting tearing one another up because Christ

is on the judgment throne and as judge he's divider he's divider and it's working out that way

all over the earth one of the verses is in second chronicles 2023 this is an account where you

have three armies that initially were teamed up to fight the army of juda and it's a very

interesting battle because something very unique happens and that is instead of helping to fight

to destroy juda they actually end up destroying themselves god turns the three armies against each

other and it says for the children of amin and moebs stood up against the inhabitants of mount

seer utterly to slay and to destroy them and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of seer

everyone helped to destroy another so you see that in the world people who are once getting along

you know teaming up even just recently with like past elections seem like everyone was on board

and then all of a sudden this fractures and people are now splitting off and it's just going to

continue to fracture and divide you know there's a verse and i'm going to read this question

Christ says i am come to send fire on the earth and what will i if it be already kindled

but i have a baptism to be baptized with and how am i straightened till it be accomplished

suppose ye that i am come to give peace on earth i tell you nay but rather division

for from henceforth there shall be five in one house house divided three against two

and two against three and we know by two or by three witnesses a word is established so

what we're seeing in the last days now because judgment has come first on the house of god

and now it's entirely on the earth and may 21 2011 was a culmination of judgment but the fire

was kindled but there were certain spiritual things that must have taken place so the beginning

of judgment day you know god talks about the man of sin being revealed and that would be Satan

takes a seat in the temple the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet so

when we talk about the beginning of the end god lays out how the end will be and so by comparing

spiritual with spiritual we can see that the judgment day process can span the day can spend over

a long period of time and from what we're seeing decades decades and and vision and families

has always occurred throughout history when some of these become saved so that verse could be

also referring to the the division that would occur even during the day of salvation

because somebody who became saved now they're in a different kingdom and so there's this conflict

but the other but the division we're talking about too is just those only in Satan's kingdom

turning against each other that type of division would be god's kingdom again Satan's kingdoms

and i was going to say you know regarding the the great tribulation that we read about in

Matthew 24 there's another passage that uses that phrase great affliction great tribulation or

great affliction in act 7-11 there we read now there came a d'Earth or if you know with d'Earth

as a famine over all the land of Egypt and Canaan and great affliction and that's the word

megast the words megast ellipsis 31 73 and 23 47 or great affliction great tribulation and our

fathers found their sustenance so it's it's talking about about back in the days i'm going to i

might need help with this guy so jump in if i you know mess up but back in the days of

Jacob and Joseph okay Joseph interpreted the pharaoh's dreams and and revealed that there would

be seven years of plenty which represented the church age okay the church age which lasted from

33 a d until 1988 a d okay there would be seven years of plenty back during his time and then seven

years of famine and the seven years of famine seven years of plenty were the church age the seven

years of famine were pointing to the 23 year 8400 day great tribulation of our day that was one

example that god gave us in the Old Testament that pointed to it and you know i don't think

anybody knew about that until you know mr camping studied it and and you know god was gracious to

given understanding about that so that was one example of a great tribulation and then the another

example was the 70 years of tribulation from 609 BC until 539 BC 70 years and there was

yeah that that 70 years rep was also a picture it was a time when

Egypt and Babylon had had defeated Jerusalem and Judah and taken the people the people of Judah

and Jerusalem kept either killed them or took them captive and those 70 years we've come to learn

that they represented the 23 year 8400 day great tribulation of our day or that that has already

passed so yeah and then the third one would be if you want to jump in yeah there's mid there's

mid points there's mid points in each of those tribulations and I guess when Joseph revealed himself

that he was he was in charge you know he had been raised up to be second and commanded of Egypt

and he revealed his brothers who had thrown him into sold him into slavery and that was in the mid

point of the seven years of famine and the it's probably better to say dividing point because it's

not exactly in the middle yeah dividing point yeah I don't if it's okay I like to change the subject

to the question on the screen I've seen it like five different times and we haven't addressed it

yet I don't see the screen you don't see the screen okay well the question that same word

tribulations from Miriam is used to describe the life of a child of God in this life as well so

there is a distinction between that type of tribulation and the great tribulation yeah like I think

I forget who mentioned it John 1633 in the world yeah you will have tribulation so that's

normative for the world and and great tribulation mega is the lipsis is something not normative

so for a Christian let's say throughout history living in a hostile world there would always be

tribulation we can go back to the reformation and people were being burned at the state that

certainly was tribulation and and how's that different than our time or that time we've gone

through that 23 year period 1988 to 2011 well because God was focused on the judgment on the church

you know no matter for almost 2,000 years of the church age 1955 years no matter how bad things

got in the world there was at least in existence a place on earth that the children of God could turn

to to find some kind of fellowship or companions it's fellowship with believers and and comfort

and almost like a refuge because it was in the church they had the Bible it was in the church

that Christ was spoken of and and that is what comforts the children of God the Bible Christ the word

of God and what happened with the great tribulation is God judge all churches across the face of the

earth there is no more faithful church since 1988 it's decades ago now but that's when it began

1988 23 years the church was the object of the wrath of God and and and so the children of God

for centuries when facing tribulation in the world would turn to the church for every Sunday oh like an oasis in the desert

but no more no more once God ended the church age that it see it greatly magnifies the tribulation

it's great tribulation great tribulation because the people of God actually we were commanded

as God issued forth the command through his word the Bible to depart out of the church leave the

church get out of the church and no don't go form another church the church the institution of

the church is done and so the people of God left the church and we were on our own for the most

part for the most part a few fellowships sprung up but most people were all alone thank God for

radio at that time with mr camping and family radio and thank God for the electronic medium

over these years since to develop to this point that we can have fellowship you know E Bible

fellowship E stands for electronic electronic Bible fellowship where the saints who are most of them

isolated can come together and can experience to some degree that comfort of the hearing the truth

of the Bible can't find truth in the world anywhere can't find truth in any of the world's religions

can't find truth in any Christian church in the whole world the truth is the word of God the Bible

but by God's grace there is a ministry of individuals none of us belong to any church

just individuals and in the Bible the Bible our fellowship is with God through his word

and and and so yes that was great tribulation 23 years and then on May 21, 2011

after 23 full years 8400 days the judgment of God the object of the wrath of God

was changed to the whole world and look look again you know I'm sure many of us are are aware

of things going on for years now where doesn't seem like much if anything's been going right

that's what happens when one is is the object of the wrath of God the church for

23 years nothing went right everything went wrong practically and now for the world the world

tries this it doesn't work the world tries that it doesn't work things grow increasingly worse

God is troubling the inhabitants of the earth because we've entered into another tribulation now

I used to wonder and I know other people did well why isn't this great tribulation if why was

judgmental in the church called great tribulation and this is really we can identify this if we have

to identify recompense of tribulation like Bob Red in 2nd Thessalonians 1 verse 6 let me read that

where it speaks of Christ coming and it says in verse 6 seeing it is a righteous thing with God

to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you and to you who are troubled rest with us when

the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance

on them that know not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ that's the

second part of 1st Peter 4 if we go over there 1st Peter 4 17 for the time has come the judgment

must begin at the house of God and if it first begin at us what shall the envy of them that obey not

the gospel of God and here in 2nd Thessalonians 1 it's a righteous thing with God to recompense

tribulation recompense means repay the the world of Satan Satan and his forces they destroyed the

church at God's allowance but still they should not have stretched for their hand against that which

formally identified with God yet they they did and now God wants vengeance vengeance for his temple

and so this whole period is a repayment of tribulation to those that have troubled us

who obey not the gospel of God they they are the people the nations and and and so

we we're looking at the 2nd tribulation 1st tribulation 23 years this tribulation 23 inclusive

years 22 actual if the biblical evidence proves correct and it will end in 2033 if again the

abundant biblical evidence the points that that date does come to pass

yeah go ahead Carl well not just enough you want to respond to that last comment I guess somebody

the the one on the screen yeah bad hero campaign and just that responsibly we do follow what he used

to teach well no we follow the Bible and he used to he followed the Bible and the things he taught

we have checked out and have found most a little true to the Bible and and so we I personally

view Mr. Camping as a extremely faithful man and and I know there's a lot of people in the churches

that do not which tells you a lot about the churches it tells you a lot about the churches the

corruption the apostasy the fact that they have no ears for the truth that so it's very typical

and standard for people in the churches to mock a good and faithful man like Mr. Camping and

that they even join hands with the world so actually I don't know you could be an atheist or you

could be an upstanding member at a local Presbyterian church because they're there's so little

difference enable unable often to distinguish and I mean that sincerely people will write us

things when we're sharing the truth of the Bible and sometimes I think it's an atheist and I'm

in conversation I'm addressing them like an atheist it turns out to be a professed Christian from

a church there's little to distinguish at this time because the church is part of the world the

reason why the people of the world or the people of the churches the pastors the elders especially

hated Mr. Camping it was not because of the date so much of May 21, 2011 but it was because

he taught from the Bible that the church age was over that that judgment began at the house of

God and and he taught the truth of the Bible that the Spirit of God had departed from all churches

and Satan's Spirit had entered in they hated him for that primarily and and so yes and

and and how those who call themselves Christian can rejoice over and join hands with the world oh

the world did not end Christ did not come isn't it wonderful you know that that is something that

is very revealing about you know the the spiritual condition of the churches

and just regarding his follow-up comment he writes that only you have the truth question mark that's

delusional and I don't think most people realize that the truth is a gift you know we all see we all

start out you know not having the truth and so when God grants us the truth you know it's

yet and so I think a lot of people don't like that idea how God has granted a certain group of people

truth and so they they get upset by that you know it's interesting you have all these different

denominations I remember Eddie said last Saturday said how come they never had like a summit to just

really pin down what they believe and so this this dear person is is laughing that we are

cultic but if you really think about it one of the things that you really notice is that asking

questions is really deterred by a cult and I tell you I've been so blessed that there's a Q&A

program we're just about six nights a week you can ask a question and if you notice we're even

putting up your comments here we're even examining it we're exactly but we are responding

but we are responding yeah then again I again I don't know

how this individual believes or doesn't believe but but that's the situation with the churches it's

so bad that you cannot distinguish between a church member or someone of the world and many

in the churches use worldly tactics a common worldly tactic instead of addressing the many

scriptures say we went over tonight you you just hear something and you label and you say well

you're a moron or you're a heretic or you're a part of a cult and you know you can almost snooze

on it it's so predictable it's so common place and it's not only over the Bible now in all

areas of politics and whatever in their discussions that that's immediate what they immediately what

they go to it's name calling and labeling and and so okay okay you you struck your blow we'll stick

with the Bible the Bible and and we just want to share and be faithful to what the Bible says

and and the Bible is is a book that is it's not bringing good news at this time for the people of

the world and the people the churches and I'm sorry it's not but it's not it's a savor of death

unto death for the people the world and for the churches now for a small few and and that's

what the Bible tells us many are called fewer chosen God save the rennet you know

and and it's true only few know the truth Christ is the truth and he opens up the eyes and

understanding of his people the elect who are few to that truth and he leaves the rest

billions of people in spiritual ignorance and spiritual darkness of understanding that that's

how God what was that a signal you know let's out time the girl you got the hug

let the first time Bob I do have a few minutes left uh Carl or Bob did you want to just say anything

to wrap this up or anything that you saw in the comments that you went I was just encourage people

to actually ask questions and look like you know I kind of I think respect comments more

even though they disagree at least they bring up scripture you know or something to dispute uh

and say oh you're wrong you know what about the scripture even if they don't agree they're bringing it

up but just to attack it's not uh it doesn't do anything you know it doesn't help the conversation

you don't learn anything from it but uh but of course I think that's they often resort to that

because they don't have anything to say where they can refute it you know it's what it comes

down to I think that's the point I think if they can sew a little bit of doubt by a mocking tune maybe

there's someone in the audience that feels the same way just like a tear you know uh concerning mocking

proverves one actually um indicates that people cannot mock anymore I mean yeah though mock but

God doesn't view it as mockery any longer because mocking mocking really is um especially by atheists

it is rejecting I reject what you say I reject this teaching I reject the Bible I reject the God

of the Bible therefore I will mock it and I will ridicule it and I will let you know by my you know

total disregard that I reject it but see that's why mockery only works if people are being presented

something from the gospel from from God uh through the gospel that is in the day of salvation

God did have his servants go forth with the word of reconciliation and we and God did besiege people

by us his people be he reconciled the God and they mocked it so that that was actual mockery they

were rejecting it but at this time we're in the day of judgment there is no offer there is no

presentation there is no going after people with the hope that you will hear and become saved

and and therefore there can be no rejection if if there is no um you know extension of the hand

of God towards you in the least bit in any way that there is a guess by definition then no mockery

and it says in Proverbs uh chapter one uh in in this time period verse 24 because I have called

and you refused I have stretched out my hand and no man regarded but you have said it not all my

counsels and would none of my reproof and all scripture is given for reproof so what none of the

word of God I also will laugh at your calamity I will mock when your fear comeeth when your fear

comeeth is desolation and your destruction comeeth as a whirlwind when distress and anguish comeeth

upon you then shall they call upon me but I will not answer they shall seek me early but they shall

not find me for that they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of Jehovah they would none of

my counsel they despised all my reproof God is the one laughing in the day of judgment and and not

of course he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked it has nothing to do with hilarity or

anything like that it laughing mocking is rejection God is rejecting the sinners of the world

because he shut the door he shut the door to heaven no more salvation on earth

he has rejected all unsafe people in the world he is actually mocking them in that sense

and and so they might turn around and yeah they they can call names or they could do this or do that

they it's just the old habit of mockery that they've probably been engaged in for

but in actuality there is no mockery because there's nothing they're being offered there's no

no more outreach no more evangelism from God and his people on the earth at this time

yeah Chris I next to verse 28 I have a note that I wrote there to go to revelation nine five

where it says and to them it was given that they should not kill them but that they should be

tormented five months and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion when he strike if a man

and in those days those days is the days that we're living in now judgment day man shall seek death

and shall not find it and shall desire to die and death shall flee from them you know the death

that men will seek is is the death of you know the Christ paid for the sins of his people

and that's done with the lights of the the sun moon and the stars have been put out

and the the Christ death is not available anymore like you were saying

you did get another comment if you guys want to get a little bit of time right is this scripture

verse yeah I'm not really if you have like an actual comment about the verse you could write it

but I'll just read the verse it says Jeremiah 2316 the Lord of Hosts Hark and not I don't know

which version of the Bible they're reading though either Jeremiah why KJB okay yeah Jeremiah 2316

the Lord of Hosts Hark and not into the words of the prophets that prophecy unto you

they make you vain they speak a vision of their own heart and not out of the mouth of Jehovah

and then a follow-up woman it's basically saying we're we're not speaking the truth we're false

prophets I think that's the point yeah because the next comment kind of a agrees that God hates

fire okay now you know you you dig go to a verse that that's that's good but you have to

show where we're wrong you have to well first of all you have to know what we're saying you have

to know what ebible fellowship teaches and and then you you're welcome and we do welcome it to

check it out and like a Berean like a Berean we would encourage you to do that did the Bereans check

the scriptures to see how something wasn't so no no that's a negative way of checking the scriptures

the Berean search the scriptures to see if it was so a positive way let me see if what they're saying

has any truth to it and and and then you have to go to our website ebiblefellowship.org go to our

youtube page there's hundreds thousands of videos and listen and then find the fall find the fall

and say okay now you said this here's the bible verse that proves you wrong and we're all ears

when you do that and we have a call in program Monday through Friday anybody can do this

we're we're not hiding you know we're we're not saying these things and running away

um we're we're out there in the public you can call us and and you'll see it if you go to

our ebible fellowship on youtube open forum phone numbers listed call us and say you said this

and you're wrong you're a liar you're a false prophet because the bible says this and I would

love to hear from you and we'll we'll go to the bible and and sometimes yeah we we could make a

mistake and maybe we'll be corrected that's what scriptures for scripture is not to throw out

you know condemnations of things we don't like to hear scripture is profitable for a number of

things including correction so use this scripture to correct not to just um I think what you're saying

doesn't make sense to me it doesn't ring true to my ear so therefore you're a liar or it's

it's contradicting something I have heard from my pastor or whatever well no that that's not how

it's done you have to you have to go to the bible and search the scriptures yeah and verse in verse

13 and 14 of that chapter it's it's you know God is saying I have seen the folly in the prophets of

Samaria and and they have prophesied in bail and caused my people Israel to err I have seen also the

prophets of Jerusalem the horrible thing so you know the prophets of Jerusalem they're that's

talking about the churches we we've learned that and you know in this context and actually

context of the Old Testament that Jerusalem Judah Israel is a picture of the New Testament churches

and congregations and that the prophets are a picture of the you know the pastors teachers

of the churches so you know God is God is condemning them here and saying you know not to listen to them

so it equates with you know not to listen to what the churches say and also it's it's easy to

label people you know false prophets but it's it's actually more difficult to actually spend

the time to steady out what they're saying and most people it's a bit of like spiritual laziness

they don't want to take the time to look into what somebody's saying like Chris said going

our website check out our information and and that would be much more of a diligent approach than

just to label somebody as a false prophet because that's easy to do it's not easy to to put in the

hours you know not to mention you know you can you can post a lot of Bible verses and you know for

the for someone on the outside or if you quote a verse by memory one would would walk away

thinking this person is actually applying these verses you know directly to the to whatever we're

discussing but actually if you look at it they really don't necessarily relate and like what Chris

is saying it might not be targeted directly to what we're we're teaching but they're just generalizations

with someone that may not understand what we're discussing in the scriptures yeah and they're in

false prophets can also you know in the Bible there were false prophets who didn't think they were

false prophets you know often like Micah as like the 400 prophets you know when I for yeah

I think it was the 400 prophets right with Micah false prophets are normally well received

oh yeah it's spoken well of you know because they speak smooth things they they tell people

God loves you God has a wonderful plan for your life Christ died for everyone you know

who who doesn't want to hear that the only problem is none of it's true none of it's true and and

Jeremiah the Lord through Jeremiah moved Jeremiah to declare

that because there was a prophet a false prophet an actual false prophet who was saying two

four years and and they'll win over Babylon and all the vessels of the temple be brought back

and Jeremiah said amen yeah let it let it be and and then he told them the word of the Lord which

which was you know many prophets of prophesied of pestilence and famine and and death and and and

wars and so forth and when a prophet speaks a word of peace well when that comes the past we'll

know if he's a prophet in other words true prophets speak hard things having to do with matters

of judgment on as we've been discussing the church in the world that fits the characteristic of

true prophets rather than false prophets that are trying to appease their listeners trying to

speak sweet little nothings into your ear so you will join up with us and and you will you will

support us and send us money and we're not asking for money we don't care if you join us we don't

want any of that we're not trying to get anything from you we're just trying to tell people the

truth the truth that the world has never told you that the apostate church at this end time has

never told you this is the truth and you know it's time to take it it's time to listen to it

it is the explanation for what's happening all over the earth at this time

God is angry God is wrathful God is judging the inhabitants of the world and before this he was

angry he was wrathful and he judged all within the churches and congregations who remain there

when he ended the church age judgment began at the house of God and now it's on the world and

yeah I know I know how it must sound to people who are spoon fed the Bible it is this is this

appealing enough to you if it's if it's a little rough I can change it I can change I can

make it smoother I can make it more palatable tear taste I can you know read to find it so you can

you know receive it and and that's basically what the churches have been doing they're they're

teaching to itching years flattering things and we're not interested in that you know we've come

out of the churches because of that we don't want any part of that we just want what the Bible

actually says and at this time yeah it's very very difficult information it it's hard to find

anything good the only good thing is God save the great multitude and he has a plan to draw them

to himself he saved them before he shut the door of heaven and and so the only hope would be

for individuals out there that maybe God saved me years ago and will draw me now

and I've even seen like pastors online you know try to use verses like that you know against others

about the itching years now almost kind of chocolate isn't you look at what they believe and they

have all these doctrines with their they're trying to appeal to well I I was reading the comment if

we were trying to recruit we're using the worst business model that is so true that is so true

this isn't how you do it you know you you if you want to develop your business and the churches

are businesses today you you got to tell them nice things you got to tell them kind things you

you don't want to insult them you don't want to to scare them away and no we're right we have no

business except our business is the truth of the Bible that's all we're concerned about we're not

concerned about um you know building anything other there's nothing to build up there's no

institution what are we going to build up yeah well I really enjoyed a tonight's program

discussing tribulation and I'm very thankful we were able to come together especially with

StreamYard we got very robust responses a couple of epithets questions and our lively discussion

we hope that you can join us again next Friday Lord willing at I believe 10 p.m. Easter and

Standard Time and please don't forget we have the day in the word this Sunday in person in

Melville New Jersey looking forward to seeing you there Lord willing if you can make it or on our

streaming platforms on ebaba fellowship dot org or youtube or zoom or the Roku channel if it's one

well friends we're on two left regarding you turn your clock forward

well friends Lord willing we hope to see you again next Friday and until the next time

may the Lord richly bless you during this time of judgment good night good night good night

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