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3:16Indiana's opener as well as Louisville Gensel miss he'll be attending Ohio State in Texas this weekend boy there's a lot that's happened so far in college football and just when you go I think I've seen it all we haven't seen it all let's start with western Michigan in Michigan the statement press release that the Mac put out what was the goal for the Mac statement after the ending controversial ending and an arbor I suspect Dan that the Mac got a little bit of blowback perhaps from its own membership about not going to bat more significantly for western Michigan to begin with if you remember you know we had the the after midnight statement Saturday night Sunday morning the big 10 says well this is what happened in the Mac says yes you're fine cool we don't care if our team got screwed we're good with that and I think there was a kind of a feeling after that like you know maybe we should especially after more information came out about protocols that were not followed errors in terms of sinking clocks that maybe there was a reason to complain

4:28there or to push for something that frankly wasn't going to happen and isn't going to happen. Okay I was told this late last night by source who said because I wanted to know the same thing you were presenting here the from what I was told western Michigan once the voters to recognize them as if they won that game that that that's part of this fight can you see that that now in in turn will the voters look at Michigan as if they lost that game because they're out of the top 25 after that win. Yeah and I'm sure that is part of the motivation there for the for the Mac and for western Michigan they want to try to get that group of six playoff spot and beating Michigan is a huge. A feather in the cap in that respect so that makes sense and then me and yeah I think you know what I think there's definitely an element of the voters who will say we know what we saw we don't care what the final scoreboard says we know what we saw and we saw Michigan

5:30losing western Michigan win and I think that is reflected certainly in where Michigan is and and western Michigan once the benefit of that to how do you think the NCAA did with all of this you know there's such a kind of a non entity in a situation you know the conferences have taken over so much of the control of everything especially with football the NCAA has an oversight committee that can talk about rules and they put out a statement basically said yeah we're done here. You know we we would like to see you follow this protocol going forward which wasn't followed there but we're not reversing the outcome of the game I guess they did what they could but what they could do is not very much which tends to be where the NCAA finds itself increasing like okay but did they make a mistake with the ending can everybody agree that they didn't follow protocol therefore they gave them another play another second can't be a lot of the same way they did it. Can't you just say they didn't follow protocol they should not have gotten that extra play there for the extra play doesn't happen therefore western Michigan wins.

6:37Yeah but who's going to say that whose job is it to say that isn't the NCAA job is it the big 10 job the big time 10 is the one that screwed up the replay review so well how about the NCAA have a pair and why don't they say hey this there was an injustice here they didn't they didn't follow protocol if it was the other way around pat look no doubt if it's if it's western Michigan throwing the ball into the end zone they don't get that other play no doubt about that you know I mean that that's I think everyone in the world understands that's how college football works and that's part of the citizen for this day is the fact that the big guys always get the benefits they've rigged the system to their advantage and so of course if one team's going to get an extra seconds going to be Michigan not western Michigan. He's pat 40 sports illustrated senior writer then we had potential drama late last night with Greg Sankey mild manner Greg Sankey but behind closed doors he's like all right you want to play with fire scarecrow how about we think about voting LSU out of the SEC lane Kiffin and LSU blinked last night but how real was this.

7:51I don't think it was ever real like they were going to vote them out I don't I think they absolutely wanted to present an intent to but there's no way you're telling me you're going to get behind closed doors and everybody is going to say we're going to take one of our top five or six brands and money makers and throw them out of the league they're mad at them they're really mad at them they have reason to be mad at them not just this business with Kiffin the Schnee and is there but will wait will wait's got a player in the same situation are they going to put him on the roster in basketball what are they going to do there so I the fact that will wait was hired back into the league I think frosted a lot of people the presidents are all mad they're also raging hypocrites the SEC has been the most corrupt league in the history of college football for them to all of a sudden get a conscience now is a bit precious but I am impressed that they at least push the brinksmanship of the point they made a lot of

8:51less you blank it's the WWE I mean the SEC is undefeated when it comes to storylines here did Lane Kiffin have a good week uh you had a great yeah I think so absolutely unbelievable Saturday I think that that was the most impressive performance by anybody in the opening weekend and then all the stuff that happened there after it's like yeah fine they're the amazing thing is they were going to the mat for two guys they don't need clearly they've got a wagon of a team they spent 50 million on the roster why are you even doing this with these guys other than the fact that your LSU and you don't feel like you're really working if you're not working a scam so but yes if you're laying Kiffin you're looking around saying my team's great bring on the smoke I and reminded constantly when I bring up that college football college sports sports in general it's about now not what you did

9:51and I'm reminded because when I say man Davos weenie can't have another seven win season and I am always reminded by people at Clemson hey uh what about the national championships I'm like Joe Madden got fired from the cubs and they had one a world series in a hundred years so yes do I think he's vulnerable there I still maintain that he is but how vulnerable do you think or how tenuous do you think that uh situation is with him uh it's a great question it's the trickiest of all situations you got a legend who was clearly slipping who was lost from their peak doesn't won't recognize it won't change his ways but what do you do it reminds me very much of Denny Cromat Louisville one two national championships in the eighties didn't embrace the three point clock or the three point shot didn't embrace academic changes and nobody could get him to change his mind but it still took 15 years to get rid of him

10:56I don't know what the deal you know like how long can you push this in this day and age with the importance of football it's the leash will not be that long it's now eight years since their last national championship they did go to the playoff a couple years ago but Davos still sitting there acting like it's 2015-16-17 and it's clearly not and now looks like uh it's not a question of if but when we're going to 2014 playoff the uh exclusive negotiating window for ESPN they got 30 days to tell me what ESPN has to do in these 30 days I think ESPN has to present what the economic model would be for a 2014 playoff what it would look like how much money people would get would it be enough to offset losing the conference championship games when are the games going to be played what's the NFL traffic going up against them all those sorts of things but clearly you're right the the stomach is there now for the college leaders to go ahead and

11:59ruin the playoff by going to 24 teams better chance to win the Heisman Jeremiah Smith or Malachi Tony I think Malachi Tony because Jeremiah Smith has think well they both have got great quarterbacks too Darian Mensa but but Malachi Smith I think can maybe be used a few more ways he can return kicks he can run out of the backfield Jeremiah Smith maybe able to do those things too but he hasn't I just think you're going to get a little more spectacular out of Malachi Tony and he's going to be the front and center face of that program without question whereas Jeremiah Smith's got a Heisman finalist quarterback with him can Bill Bellachack win his way out of this mess I don't know this bad getting worse I don't I don't know I mean the the fact that his hand pick general manager is now resigned and his hand pick defensive coordinator perhaps to be a son has been on medical leave and the questions being asked reportedly in this internal investigation are bad

13:00I you may be able to get through the season but I think eventually North Carolina has to say we spent a lot of money for something that has blown up badly and is now hurting our reputation and we actually aren't that good in football to begin with so let's cut losses good to chat with you have fun with Texas and Ohio State thank you Pat my pleasure Dan thank you Pat 40 be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I Heart Radio app Hey it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the odd couple on Fox Sports Radio and in addition to hearing us live week nights from 7 to 10 p.m. Eastern on Fox Sports Radio we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show that's right you can now watch the odd couple live on YouTube every day all you got to do search odd couple FSR on YouTube again YouTube just search odd couple FSR check us out on YouTube and subscribe

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19:36um not really sure I agree with that uh because I don't know how that would work to be honest with you because they would have to do console with the in a veil scheduling process and all of that but if they had their schedule already they know who they're going to play at home correct you could have a big big you know NFL night three hats on a table who are the seahawks going to pick for their home opener I think it would be it adds some I don't need to see a super bowl rematch like I I don't know it wasn't a good super bowl to begin with and now we're got a super bowl rematch correct it was not a good super bowl I think tonight's game is going to be a little bit different um not saying that New England is going to win but I do think with what New England added with AJ Brown, Romeo and Dubs I do think their offense is going to be a little bit more explosive you couple that Seattle is going to be missing uh Eman Worry a couple of pieces that moved on uh it

20:37wouldn't shock me if we wake up tomorrow morning and uh New England goes and then get get to the I just don't want to see the headline Patriots avenge super bowl loss with week one win does not avenge a super bowl loss burger correct but you know how headline writers are like you've been in this business a long time you know exactly what the headline writers are going to write and they're going to try to try to tie the two seasons together even though we know they have nothing to do with each other and that's just that's kind of how it goes that's why the headline writers are paid with their pay but I agree with you uh last year's over with I think might vabel to me I'm more interested in seeing how his team is prepared tonight a lot's been said this all season lots been done there's been a lot happened and all of season we wondered how would his team be affected by his transgressions off the field um it's kind of been quiet you know it's been it's been really quiet and for disclosure I think Mike Brave was the top

21:41three coaches in the NFL uh he doesn't get the flash of the other offensive guys like me Bay and Shannon handing all those guys but from a standpoint of getting your team ready to play I think he's top three in the national football league and then there's no doubt in my mind he will have prepared his team to play tonight you just wonder if if there's any I don't know any mention of it how much does the broadcast go into it tonight I don't know if you talk you talked about that or not no I don't find it interesting um I think local media if they want to ask that question if if they start losing they lose a couple of games to start do those questions come up about his relationship with Diana Rissini but to me I just focus on like Tiger when Tiger had all of his you know issues off the golf course I wanted to know if it affected him on the golf course that's yeah what's the sports angle I got to be fair because there's a lot of salacious stuff that I'm privy to that don't belong on my radio show with you know Mike Brable okay you say he's top three

22:48then give me the other two coaches I think uh Kyle Shanahan and I think Sean McVeigh of the other two I think those are the top three coaches and then behind them comes Kevin O'Connell and some of the other guys but for my money when you look at what Kyle Shanahan is now think about think about how injured the 49ers has been the last few years and they consistently still win take the quarterback out it doesn't matter putting a new quarterback he's won with different quarterbacks he's won with his top line players he's won with guys that you never heard of and then Sean McVeigh everybody in the National Football League is following Sean McVeigh remember it was you know we're going to go in 11 personnel everybody went to 11 personnel which is you know one tight in one back three wide receivers it was we're going to go to condensed formations everybody's going to be tight everybody's start doing that last year it was oh look at the Rams they're going three tight in now all of a sudden everybody's drafting tight in everybody just continues to follow him and

23:48imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 100% and when your peers start to flatter you and by doing the things that you're doing it lets you know how good you are and then I already talked about very well how prepared it seems are and how you win so those are my top three what about Andy Reed Andy Reads up there I think Andy Reed is right in that right there um all these guys like Andy Reed won Super Bowl's man like Andy Reed is a really really good coach he's also that the best player in the sport um and few people say yeah well what about Phil Jackson having Michael Jordan I get it I'll see you that point you got to have really good players when you're really good coach Andy Reed is right there I think Andy Andy learned so much from his 10 year in Philadelphia that now he Kansas City is reaping all the benefits remember in Philadelphia they couldn't quite get over the hump and all of a sudden now he gets to Kansas City he knows what he doesn't know um he's he's got the best player in his sport and so Andy to me is a classic case of

24:48don't give up on a guy too soon and and I think that you know if you ask Phil o' death a year ago maybe they would have had that um had that thought but now they don't because they want to Super Bowl without him give me the NFL team or teams that confuse you you're just not quite sure who they are right now thanks and Addy um it sounds good it looks good on paper but for some reason it never works and Zach Taylor I think the jury's still out on young everybody continues to you know talk about Gilbert being top five I agree he's got the weapons they did everything they wanted that he wanted by signing team against a Jamar chase um but it's never coming together for one reason or another the lost angel is charges man it looks pretty when they're all together for they do it look pretty I mean the quarterback six five two fifty they look good they got pieces everywhere but it just it never seems to come together for the charges uh and then I I think on the NFC side I think you look at the doubt of the uh green Bay Packers I was gonna say

25:49Dallas but you know I think everybody likes Dallas this year I do too I would say the green Bay Packers for as talented as that team is they still needed another piece last year Michael Parsons and when that piece went away the defense started just playing terrible so I I think those will be three teams where you look at them and on paper you like man I really like them and for some reason or another they just never quite meet the ceiling and the expectations that you have for them yeah I'm with you on on those teams there's a lot of love for Joe Burrow for MVP this year yeah there is um you're assuming they're gonna be at a run the football you're assuming the defense won't give up 40 a game and be ran against Joe Burrow I love Joe Burrow Joe Burrow he brought me a national championship LSU I will forever be indebted to him and everybody said it Louisiana um I think that this this narrative out there that if Cincinnati doesn't win Joe Burrow will force

26:55his way out well when did Joe Burrow get to get to dictate where he plays at and at some point the owner has to be on him right like you everybody says that since the 90 doesn't win it's not his fault who's fault is it because in Buffalo it's Josh Allen's fault in Baltimore it's the March actions fault now I'm paraphrasing but but you you get my point we blame that star quarterback when they don't get over the hump and I think Joe Burrow cannot be um he cannot be taken out of that group because him Lamar Jackson Josh Allen has to pay two of them have won MVP's but they got no hard what it's so far Dan and I think we have to hold them accountable because our great players in these great sports when they don't win championships we hold them accountable and it doesn't matter and you don't have to be the greatest in sport when LaBron then when a title all we talked about was the bra on okay at some point you have to win a championship if you're gonna be looked at as one of the greats in your sport at that particular time. Booker McFarlane of the

27:56mothership covers the NFL and college football did LSU have a good week. LSU had a a really really good week I'm not gonna call it a great week because there's a negative headlines off the field and you know there's just kind of piston matching back and forth between the SEC and you know the powers to be in bad Rouge uh I'll speak on the field I think Dan there are a lot of polarizing figures in sports and I'm using the word sports on purpose Lane Kiffin is as polarizing as anybody in sports and he is as good at his job as anybody is at their job and oftentimes we don't see the two go together because when somebody is polarizing it means that they're doing things or they you can't take your eyes off him for one reason or another usually they aren't at the top of their crab but he is and I think you saw a team Saturday night that was kind of the the president in the future of how a program is run you looked on the other side of dabble and you kind of saw

28:58the past and dabble for whatever he wants to say that team wasn't a very talented football team. Now as LSU that good I don't know we'll see throughout the season but I know Clemson's not a really good football team um LSU had a really good week if we can get past the legal issues and get all this get all the egos out of the courtroom then we can move forward through the season but I think Lane and what the job we hired Lane to do and the success he had in week one is everything that we expected. We're headed towards 2014 playoff in college football where do you stand on that? Don't want it uh don't need 24 I hear all the pundits I think I'm with commission of thank you when he says this we just got 12 figured out as a matter of fact we haven't figured out 12 yet why are we gonna double it to go to 24? Well Bougard what about the money? Well there's plenty of money out there well it sounds to me and this is just my gut feeling and you know more about the

30:00TV game than I do so I'm gonna throw this to you it seems to me that the big push is hey let's go to 24 why because as far as the percentage of teams that played us for they have an opportunity to compete for a title football has the lowest percentage that's number one number two championships game championship championship games are old and antiquated and thirdly Fox wants to be able to put games on their network it seems to me that the powers of v think that ESPN has the monopoly on the playoff does that playoff factor I don't know you know how this business works better than I do I just don't think we need to jump to 24 damn yeah I I'm with you uh 16 would have been nice I would have been fine if we just stayed at 12 I'll leave you with this should the NCAA knowing what they know about they did not get it right in the Michigan Western Michigan game they did not follow protocol should the NCAA award Western Michigan that victory since that extra play

31:03should never have happened no like it's part of life man like everything isn't fair in life and sometimes it sometimes things go against you I'm pretty sure you guys have discussed a lot of things in sports that weren't necessarily right or when they're necessarily fair but you can't go back and change it it's tough for Western Michigan it's tough for those kids but if we start going back changing things after the fact man hell sports wouldn't be what they were part of sports is it's the human element part of sports are we're gonna miss calls now we try not to which is why we have replay but even with replay we still missing so um yeah man I'm okay with replay on on human error and on a call on the field not when you don't follow protocol on what clock are you going to abide by that's all but you would be okay if this situation happens say in in a different sport you would be okay with going back after the fact two or three days later changing outcome like you can't start doing that no no they didn't follow protocol this wasn't a

32:08judgment this wasn't um is that pass interference or not they didn't follow protocol the protocol of of the right clock being yes they should have used the game clock and they didn't therefore you gave them an extra play this wasn't I don't know if that's pass interference or not I don't know if he got both feet inbound there's a difference with that there's a difference but the commonality is still game over 48 hours later let's go back and change the outcome or as somebody who's been in sports forever and one of the most known people is for said I know would you be okay with that think about him your history now for whatever the reason for whatever the reason are you okay with going back changing the outcome of something a sporting event 48 hours later regardless of what happened but this didn't happen on the field this happened in the booth this is protocol this is the part of it's connected to the field or replay is connected to the field because the people on the field can call for replay so they're one and the same you can't say

33:11they're disconnected they didn't follow protocol they didn't miss a call on the field as much as they didn't do what they were supposed to do that you would be okay with changing the outcome I it's the NCAA wanted to show they still had backbone I would be okay with that well we know they don't have yes they don't wow but I okay it's it's it's not like if we go back and we saw that the ball you know the Franco Harris play correct like I wouldn't be okay with that but I'm talking about something in the booth this is you're supposed to do this you did not do this why didn't you do this you gave them an extra play and then and they get if LSU lost that way at Michigan you'd be okay I would not be okay I would be pissed I'd be beating the drum of what happened but I also know in sports man like there been there a bit some tough losses and I and off the top my head I can't think of an unfraised situation where circumstance is not connected to the game

34:15cost a teen to lose however I think we go down a slippery slope when we start getting to the point where we're changing outcomes 48 hours later okay that's the point I'm going about the Rams Saints the playoff game no pass interference like they missed that 100% they missed it tough look it happens I'm not I'm not advocating changing that I'm just saying even with replay they they made a mistake I can't have a replay of the booth I I don't have that there is no replay of guys going from the game clock to you know the backup clock it doesn't make any sense to me but I think that they made a mistake with that we live with it I hope we look at Western Michigan as a team that won that game even though they didn't when it comes to rankings in the polls how's that I can completely agree with you I think if we get to the end of the season and on the Tuesday night

35:15we're sitting there and we're talking about the college football playoff rankings and there's a conversation around Western Michigan for the season they've had I would be the first person to say that regardless of what number there is in the lost column I would be one to say I'm going to take one off okay but also with Michigan I are you going to take a win off of Michigan if they end up you know ten and two are they going to be nine and three in your eyes they will be behind some ten and two teams but put it that way because I think when you look at Michigan well and here's the thing about Michigan I don't think the quarterbacks that good and it just goes to show you in this NIL era they he's not as good as they're trying to use him he's not a dropback pastor he needs to be a dual three quarterbacks so I think Michigan seasons Michigan I think it best was eight and 14 this year great to catch up with you always great to catch the last time I saw you we were eating meat I believe in San Jose or somewhere like that and I'm looking forward to us eating meat again thank you in LA well okay we have some barbecue and LA

36:20how's that can't wait thank you booger that's uh booger McFarlane of the mothership Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within the iHardt radio app search fsr to listen live this is Zarembrenette from ridiculous crime sports fans do some ridiculous things and we somehow convince ourselves that all of them are completely reasonable I'm not checking my pick every five minutes five minutes later checking the pick I'm staying calm today sure you are then suddenly I'm emotionally invested in a backup tight end I had never heard of because this man needs 12 yards I don't know him I don't know where he went to school I'm not entirely sure I know his first name but right now his success is my success then the quarterback throws an interception so naturally I change seats because clearly my location on the couch had a direct impact on a professional football game happening hundreds of miles away is that rational no is it ridiculous absolutely and that's why it's fun every catch every yard every strange little twist until the game is over that's why

37:26love having something on the line it turns all of us into complete lunatics in the best possible way that's what underdog gets download underdog to play keep your million start with one million dollars make it through all 20 picks and walk away with whatever's left in bonus funds get in there and see how much of your million survives underdog unleash your dog trading evolves risk including total loss on positions content is promotional and not a recommendation to trade terms apply promotion issued by affiliate here's something worth knowing chat gpt now is a new way of working for bigger multi-step projects chat gpt work give it a goal and connect it to the tools where work happens and you can help create finished work from start to finish say you're preparing for a launch of a new campaign instead of jumping between different tools all day chat gpt can pull together information from your files organize research help draft strategy and build a working brief that you can

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41:35they left on Tuesday the Niners left last week and we thought why not try to find somebody who does this for a living dr. Metis Singh board certified physician and psychiatrist concentrated in the applied science of sleep she's worked as a consultant for multiple NFL teams baseball NHL NBA Olympics college teams as well and large organizations and executives seeking to optimize their competitive performance doctor thanks for joining us if you were in charge of travel for these two football teams what would you have suggested going from the west coast to australia well so so think about the time difference at 17 hours ahead so science says that it takes about an hour a day to acclimatize you can you have to kind of manage that jet lag I would say at this point nobody's going to have 17 days to adjust right so the earlier you get the the better I'm really interested because I

42:36don't work with either teams I'm interested to understand why they both took such different routes because I mean they're just going to the the Rams are going to get they're there for only 48 hours so I don't see how they're going to get adjusted there but the Niners leaving and getting their five or six days earlier that is that a big advantage in your opinion well it depends on how well they're doing it yes so if they if they had planned this out they've like you know used strategically used melatonin adjusted their use you use light there's there's an entire protocol that you can follow to try to get adjusted to the new time zone if they've done that right then yes they would be they would be they had the advantage of being better adjusted you work for the Saints I can see the footballs behind you if you're watching the show but you're all you're now working for the Denver Broncos

43:36yes what is your role with the Broncos so I'm a sleep consultant and I am my role is to help them you know manage travel manage there any sleep issues any anybody in the building might have on an individual level and you know the culture at the organization is absolutely amazing like the owners have invested a lot Sean Payton of course you know wants to follow the science and yeah that's what we do what's your take on melatonin well melatonin is it's something that it's a it's something that is indulgenously produced numbering right but you can take it externally and it actually works really well for jet lag because it's a signal to your brain that you are that you're ready to fall asleep so for example when these teams are falling asleep at

44:37at night it's their body clocks still think that they're on california time so they're trying to fall asleep at five or six in the morning melatonin at that time would send them a signal that you're ready to fall asleep we look at teams going from the west coast to the east coast yes as opposed to east coast going to the west coast is there that much of a difference in performance of you know what direction you're going in yeah I mean so Dan it's always easier to go to bed later right so when you go from the east to the west coast you're going to bed later it's always easier east travel eastward type travel is always more difficult and you know that three-hour difference does make a difference makes a significant difference the problem with this trip is that it's a 16-hour difference is that flip off a day and a night it's never been studied before we have no idea I mean

45:40you know there's no there's no real way that you can actually do research for this so but but you can going from east coast to west coast and vice versa yes you can it's it's much more manageable it's also it's also more manageable when you're going from here to say London to play right so there's a there's a time difference but if you get there a week ahead and time you've given yourself enough time to follow a protocol that'll help manage it this is this is difficult for both I've been told I don't know if it's true so that's why I'm asking you the doctor if I go from New York to Italy mm-hmm don't take that nap when I get to Italy yes plow through the first day yes yes so when you get when you go from here to Italy you want to not take a nap because a nap will take a bite out of your sleep drive you want that drive to help you fall asleep at night so yeah that's that's good policy you want to get go there and like hit the ground running

46:45you know when it comes to light exposure you've got to be careful about when to expose your eyes to light your your body clock to light so maybe where some glasses till about 10 or 11 a.m but then get exposed to bright light I have somebody on my staff Todd Fritz who has sleep apnea uh-huh what kind of progress have we made in sleep apnea oh my goodness it's amazing now right like first of all we no longer do a single night of sleep study we do multiple nights because sleep apnea varies by by night every night and then the treatments that are available um you know you can if if somebody's overweight you can give them medication for that to kind of help them but that sleep apnea the machines are really smaller they're much more easier to to use there are different like the identical devices there are there are surgical options that are available um are you treating your sleep apnea time I am using the CPAP for a while it wasn't

47:47comfortable I tried all the different masks someone came to the house they did the sleep studies and the the the doctor said you have severe obstructive sleep apnea where you're constantly stopping you're breathing so I am being treated up with a CPAP machine and it's going fine I'm afraid of the whole implant thing I don't want to do the inspire thing I'm this arrow sleep machine or something so yeah I don't love it but if it's if it's helpful and I'm getting better sleep and I feel better and it's putting less pressure on my body and my heart then I've got to you know deal with wearing it good man yeah that's exactly that's exactly the right thing to do doctor thank you uh if the Broncos win the Super Bowl do you get a Super Bowl ring um I certainly hope so I I definitely um I'm I'm honored to work with the with the Broncos you know I'm like working with Sean Peyton is and all enough a lifetime and you guys game balls there that he gave you when you were with the Saints yes okay how do you get a game ball is these they sleep doctor well

48:50hopefully you you contribute um so this is when they went uh they were in they played in London and they the Saints were 20 and the dolphins were zero okay I hope I had something to do now did I help them good thing yeah that's I'm wondering what the I'd be really interested in finding out what the thought process was for these two teams and how they decided you know to go at these different times how many teams have sleep doctors um well I'm not very sure how many do it it really is it's a it's a matter of culture because you know calling in a sleep doctor a week before or ten you know ten days before a major trip is not the right way to do it really the culture of figuring out what's happening with somebody's sleep helping them really starts in the off season and happens mostly in the preseason and then you you it's a multi-year program you're going to

49:52help them through it so that um because it takes a little bit of discipline and it takes buy-in the you know the players have to buy in to that doctor thank you for sharing and good luck this upcoming season hey take care bye bye doctor meet a sing and board certified physician psychiatrist she is consulted uh the Saints now the Broncos uh think the Washington Nationals NBA Olympics college teams as well oh my gosh you can't be serious you think making the pick is the hard part no it's not the pick takes like three seconds you know it's hard the sweat the time between locking in and cashing out yeah you have a take but in the end it's not about the winners or losers this is about us man whether we're brave enough to sit through it don't fight the sweat live in it because you are an underdog underdog at least your dog you terms may apply you've mastered the classic

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