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2:04You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. It happens every single year. Every year. And it's going to happen in the draft where somebody saw something at the combine and maybe change their opinion. Or elevated their opinion, or maybe lowered their opinion. All I care about is, what did you do on Saturdays? Sunday, nobody's blocking, nobody's tackling. Okay, you get to jump, you get to run, you get to throw, lift weights, interviews, medicals, I get all of that. Now if something happened with your medicals, I understand why you would fall. But the 40 yard dash, I'm not that interested in how many times you can lift 225 pounds. I'm not interested in. Now there's the cone drills. There's certain drills for receivers that I'm very interested in. But I think we get caught up because there's nothing going on. And it's like, okay, it's kind of football.

3:05And then you're going to see these guys on draft night and you're going to go, and I remember him at the combine. Every year, there's one or two guys that elevate their status and then all of a sudden they change draft boards. Anthony Richardson. Oh my gosh. Now when I watched him, there were times when I went, man. And then other times I go, man. And now the cults have said to him, you can work on a trade if you want to. Kind of signals you've moved on from Anthony Richardson. Yeah, I think the combine is important for some positions, is much more important for some positions than others. I think if you're looking at edge rushers in particular, if you're looking at how explosive they are, those are all numbers. The 40 time might not necessarily be the most important. How many times are they going to run 40 yards? But you're just getting a glimpse at how many times are they going to have to use their vertical like that. Probably not many, but you're just getting an idea of how athletic they really are.

4:06And that's something that I think is pretty important if you play that position. Yeah, we'll talk to Lewis Riddick about that, that there are certain positions with certain drills where you go. Okay. Now a vertical for an edge rusher? Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with that. Because you're going to be jumping up, knocking down passes. Maybe you use that person to block field goals. I think there are elements of these skills that you can use on Sunday. 40 yard dash, not as interested. But I am interested in what's your time for the first 10 yards of that? Because that's football. The first five yards of that. Yes, Eden. Yeah, like this kid, David Bailey from Texas Tech. Yeah. Right. He made himself some money. Oh my gosh. He's 6'3", 250. His times, if you look at the way all of his measurements broke down, he's faster than Antonio Cromardi. Quicker than Devonte Adams jumps higher than AJ Green. And he's more explosive than Adrian Peterson and heavier than Vaughn Miller. Okay. Those are crazy numbers. But I want to know what he did in college.

5:08Because Shamar Stewart of Texas A&M, we went to the Bengals with the 15th pick. He had great numbers, but he had four sacks in college. And he's an edge rusher. That would concern me. When you see somebody has all that talent and you go, well, what do you do in college? And then you go, oh, that's where I would use the numbers against that player. But I guarantee you, there'll be a couple of players who are selected higher than they should be. Now, once Scott already told me he had 19 first round grades. So we know that there are more than 19 picks in the first round. So there are going to be check and see. It's confirmed. Okay. There's going to be 11 players taken higher than they should be. So factor that in that he had 19 first round grades. But, you know, this happens every single year. I mean, I remember Vernon Goldstein.

6:09And I'm going, that guy is going to be, he's going to be an all pro for 10 years. Who is that Justin Gilbert who was going to the Cleveland Browns? He was going to be the next Deon. I mean, every single year, there's at least one guy that we go, oh, my God. I mean, Jadavia and Clowny, if you think about it, had a disappointing career. The expectations were off the chart. So, you know, by comparison, it was like, okay, he had a decent career. But it's because we just, we fall in love when you're not competing against anybody. Now, there were some throws yesterday, like Ty Simpson had, I think, a pretty good day. Carson Beck, I think, had a pretty good day, but they're just throwing the football. I want to see what you do on Saturdays. And because of that, do I want Carson Beck? Do I want Ty Simpson?

7:10Is somebody going to go all in in the first round, which they probably will for Ty Simpson? Okay. Happens every single year, but that's the fun part of this. And here's another thing. At the combine, that's where you get your director of player personnel. That's where you might get your president. That's where you'll get a coach and or GM. These are guys who haven't been studying this. They've been working on their day job. Now, you're going to come in and this will happen. You have your own scouting department who spent the entire or the entire college football season. And now we get to the off season. And now the experts come in. And they're going to overrule the scouts who have spent all of this time giving grades to these players. Because somebody's going to go, man, he's fast. He can jump high. We're going to take him.

8:10And that's where your scouts will say, you know, hey, we got a second round grade on it. Well, we don't want to lose him. Now, not that they sound like that. But you don't want your front office people. I hear that on hard knocks all the time, actually. You'll see him. Well, it could be the giants front office. You're free to go and seek a trade, sake one. Wait, where are you going? Philadelphia. Yeah, Paulie. Going back to that player, Cete mentioned David Bailey of Texas Tech. He had everything at the combine. He broke all the records and had these great numbers. But he also had the performance during the season at Texas Tech last year. Fourteen and a half sacks. Twenty tackles for losses. Both led the United States. Both led NCAA. Yeah, I'm fine with that. So he only led in the United States, not in Europe. But there's a guy who didn't, uh, didn't have three sacks at the combine. Yeah. But it's fun. Um, and then there's the interviewing part of this.

9:10And Johnny Mansell ace the interviewing part of this. Because he's such a hustler. You can't, you can get coached up to do the interviews. But then Todd McShay was, you know, the draft analyst. He, um, had this to say about the USC wide receiver, McIdeleman. He didn't do well being interviewed. The fact of the matter is, again, talking to general managers in the league, the interview process is going a lot better for the other two Tyson and, and Tate than it is for McIdeleman. And you know me, like, I'm a lemon guy. So that, that part's interesting. But I'm just saying there are teams out there that may have him in a bucket. And there are teams out there that I've specifically talked to that. Appreciate it. What they got out of the interviews from Jordan Tyson and, and Carnell Tate, more than they did from the McIdeleman ones. So be that as it may. Now, lemon's a great player. He really is. I think he's undersized, but I think, you know, at USC, he was great.

10:10And Mel Kuiper loves him. Mel Kuiper is like that guy plays football. But the interviewing process, and by most accounts, he kind of turned people off that he was, he was making weird eye contact. I don't know what he was doing. It almost felt like he was auditioning for a role, or a documentary, or I don't know what he was doing. But, you know, one guy described it as, I don't know if he's trying to seduce me. Like, I'm not sure what's going on, because he just had these weird looks at people. And I don't know what that, if that matters. You know, can you play on Saturday? Can you play on Sunday? All right. You're quirky. You're a little weird. Everybody made a big deal about cable blamsy paints his fingernails. I go, I couldn't care less. Are you a good teammate? Can you play? I don't care what you do.

11:10I was around Rodman all those years. And he was wearing dresses. Like the dude could play. Didn't matter. He could play. But, yeah, the interviewing process. And I'm sure Mendoza aced it. You know, Stacey Dales, she was talking about Mendoza and just said, he's your dream. He tells you everything, you know, he's a team fir. He's just, he can't wait to help the other players on Indiana at their pro days. It does matter a little bit to some of these teams. You just don't know how much it matters. That's the tricky part. But that's where you get the new set of eyes coming in. And then they're going to Bigfoot, the Scouts who spent all year looking at this. Jeremy Fowler, the mother ship on the coaches who are assessing quarterbacks now in free agency. And also assessing quarterbacks in the draft. Jeremy Fowler will join us in the final hour of the program. As we always do every Monday best and worst of the weekend, what you saw that you liked.

12:13You didn't like and say good morning to our radio affiliates over 400 cities around the country that carry this program. See, and you got a poll question or at least one to figure out. Think about Ponder here for the first hour. Yeah, why don't we start positive best month of the year for sports? We do this every year. We do this every year because March is underappreciated in terms of even at number. It's probably considered the second best month for sports. And you're going to be watching a lot of basketball teams that you didn't watch at all during the regular season. I was watching Illinois State in Belmont yesterday. Oh. Um, and I, I, I, you know, there was no shame. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be watching, you know, Belmont got a 26 wins or something, something. Miami of Ohio stays undefeated. But if like Bruce Pearl, who's now an analyst, former head coach said, if Miami of Ohio doesn't win their conference tournament,

13:16they may not make the tournament with, with one loss. They wouldn't now granted strength to schedule, not pretty and be like me on the bench press. But they're still undefeated. And there's something to be said for that, whether it's a novelty or not, you still undefeated. But if they would bow out like the first or second round of the Mac tournament, didn't sound like Bruce Pearl was, now he got lit up on social media. But what he's saying is their strength of schedule is terrible. But you're still undefeated. And you got to take somebody from the Mac. Can you take two teams from the Mac? And we might be finding that out. Yeah, Paulie. Back to the poll question, can March stand alone without the benefits it gets from the month of April? Because the final four in final game are played in April. Baseball starts in April. The Masters is in April. Am I right about those? I think I have to combine March and April.

14:18Is that fair, October? How far is that? I don't think you can. What if I gave you September, October and March and April? Nobody wants September. Forget September. I love September. The April has the NBA NHL sort of playoff push, right? The start of the baseball season. It has the Masters. And it has technically the end of what is called March madness. So I don't really think that the final four belong... The final four actually belongs to March. And you got the draft in April. 100%. The draft in April. Sorry. Yeah, I have to do a combo. Well, you're poo-pooing the start of March here. I see what Seaton's saying. I'm saying that March is great. But it's not April. It's not. It's its own thing. But I think that the final four actually belongs to March, not April. Okay. Just because of March madness. Yeah, it's called March madness. I know.

15:18There's no exactly... It's called the April final four. How about... How about awesome April? Yeah. Well... Yeah. Wanted to try to trademark that. You think it's so great. Hey Todd. How's it going? Okay. Good. Just checking on you. Pacing myself. Oh, you are. Why? Why is today... I haven't had anything strong to say just yet. And I don't want to be accused of just talking just to talk and making it talk to me. Oh, so now there's more pressure on you. Yeah. Because now the audience is going, okay. All right. It's coming. Yeah. Todd's strong comments for March right around the corner. It's a build up. It's a build up. I love it. But I don't think there's a close second talk, Tob. I see you asked if it didn't really ask. Okay. But if I gave you April or I gave you October. I'll take October. All right. I'm taking April. October, you got the NFL going on. No, no, no. I know which. I don't even know how that's even a debate March April talked. Uber.

16:18That's what I'm trying to figure out. It's because we're debating. That's why we're debating. No, but for that to be a debate, that has to be like a really strong argument to me. There's not a close second talk. If I gave you March in April or you could take September or October. I'll take September, October, 10 out of 10 times. Okay. Without even a blink. All right. Yes, Paul. I'm Mr. October. Reggie Jackson is. Whoa. But I'm Mr. October for a number of reasons. It's a debate. April and March are heavy. There's a lot of hope. Baseball opening. It's a debate. Let's take a break here. Marvin, how are the arms? Long. Yeah. Very impressive. Did you go home and hug your wife and say, hey, how's that feel? She said pretty much the same. But I said it's two inches longer than everybody else. Yeah. Take a break. We'll settle on a poll question. Got phone calls in the on deck circle. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show.

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21:28Unpacking career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if you knew better with Amber Grimes on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Lewis Riddick of the mother ship. Great contributor throughout the entire football season. And of course in the off season, ESPN NFL College Football Analyst. And you could tune in for NFL draft daily three Eastern weekdays on ESPN to ESPN app. And also Disney plus. All right, give me the most important drill at the combine. And you was a former front office guy would say that will equate to success on Sundays. Yeah, you know, it's, it's different for each, for each position group. So when you're looking at, obviously when you look at the 40, which is always the marquee event, you know, it's different for the DBs as opposed to office alignment. You hear all the time off of office alignments about 10 yard split. For DBs like corners in particular, it's about 10 yard split.

22:31So 40 is more heavily weighted for corners because, look, if you're sub, if you're not sub four, five in the 40 at corner, you're probably going to have to be like ridiculously proficient as far as your instincts and route recognition, because you just need raw speed. You just do. I think for like wide receivers, I love to watch the three cone drill and, and the 20 yard short shuttle, because obviously a lot of their, their movements, lower body explosiveness, being able to change direction, that's all important. So like right now and everybody's like up in arms about carnal takes 40 yard time, being, you know, four, five, one, four, five, two is agents saying it's lower, blah, blah. Look, it really, if, if we really judge wide receivers by 40s, Jerry Rice would want to undraft it. So I mean, it's just like, you know, there, it's always different from position group to position group. I think across all position groups, everyone likes to see what a guy's vertical jump is, because that is really just about raw physical explosion. And there were some dudes this year who was like, I mean, I was telling my son about some of these guys,

23:31and they're in their vertical jumps and he's like 43 and a half inches from standing two point like, yeah, man, these dudes are jumping out the gym. So it's, it moves based on position, but I think 40 10 splits, three cone, those are the ones that you really want to kind of pay attention to from a measurement standpoint. You know what caught my attention? A couple of guys had a better vertical than Vince Carter. And I go, I don't know what it means, but that's pretty damn impressive there. I don't know. I mean, there's certain positions where I could see where you would say, oh, you know, this guy, if an edge rusher, somebody can block field goals, maybe vertical comes in, but these guys are preparing for the combine. Yeah. So that's the tricky part is, you know, how good are they, or how good will they be as football players? I still maintain what I see on tape on Saturday is, yeah.

24:31Now, your medicals, the interview process, like those are important, you know, are you the height that they say, the weight you say? Other than that, I just don't, it's a, yeah. And teams do this, though, Lewis, every year somebody's going to go, oh, my God, like Anthony Richardson, somebody's going to go by what they saw this week in Indianapolis and change what they probably saw for three months in the college football season. Yeah. And usually what that is is then, at this point in time, is where a lot of other people come into the evaluation process, namely coaches, namely administrators, you know, whether it be a team president, an owner, whoever it is, they haven't been out on the road since August, September, October, November. They've been watching tape. They've been doing their own thing. I mean, coaches have been coaching their teams. So what winds up happening is sometimes they can come in and they can. Now, it's important for a general manager in particular, it's not let this happen, but they can't kind of blow up all the work that's been done.

25:35And next thing you know, like everything is in chaos. When really you want to just keep the train on the tracks and keep it moving down the road, it's just another piece. It's confirmation a lot of times for what you've seen on tape. Yeah. Or it's the reason why you go back and maybe evaluate a little bit more, especially if a guy isn't as athletic in the testing numbers as you thought he looked on tape. Or if a guy's a lot more athletic looking than you thought he was on the tape, then you need to go back and research, was he hurt during the season? What kind of scheme was he dealing with during the season? What kind of coaching was he getting during the season? So, you know, you don't want to miss on somebody who maybe just had, who dealt with an injury, dealt with a bad situation during the fall. But he is a great athlete and quite honestly, he does have football instincts and maybe you could wind up catching someone whose values are a little depressed and wind up really hitting on him once he gets to your place. It's just another, it's just another data point, but I'm with you. There's no games being played right now. No guys who are catching passes, intercepting passes, rushing the passer. So let's not make crazy wild changes on people's evaluations.

26:39Although there were some guys who really did confirm what you saw on tape and the cool part about it, it's all the top players that were doing it. And they blew it up as far as their testing, which right now is going to make Knight one of the draft super, super exciting. Lewis Riddick of the mother ship, former NFL defensive back and pro personnel. Director with the Eagles also was in the front office with Washington. You can see him on NFL draft daily at three Eastern weekdays on ESPN, two ESPN app and Disney plus. It's weird to say, hey, is the best player, the most talented player going to be taken number one overall? And the answer is no. In basketball, if the Portland Trailblazers had taken the best player in the draft, they would have taken Michael Jordan. But they, at the time you had to have a big man. So you pass, you know, a keen goes one, then you got Sam Buie.

27:40But the NFL, do they, they do that as well. It's position. You're not going to take Jeremiah love number one. And he could be the best player in the draft or study styles or whoever you want to throw in there. Yeah. It's, it's the person in front of you. Aside from quarterback, it's, it's need. There could be a defensive back who's the best player in the draft. He ain't going number one. Yeah. So how do you justify when you take somebody? Even if you know the guy who's going to go four picks later is the best player and, you know, could be a hall of famer. Because it's, it's, it's always, well, there's really, there's two things. It's always like a, there's always a battle between best player available and best player available at the position that you do need. Because you are actually trying to build a football team and you're not just collecting talent. So it's like, let's just say, for instance, if somehow some way, which it won't happen, let's just say Fernando Mendoza

28:40has slid down the board to number, you know, to number nine and Kansas City's there on the board. They're not going to take Fernando Mendoza, even if he was the best player on the board at that time, because this doesn't make sense, right? So you, you're always trying to balance those two. Yeah, but take quarterback out of the equation. Okay, true. What winds up happening is, and I remember being taught this a long time ago, you need to come up with a way in which you prioritize the positions in terms of importance one through 22 on a football team. Obviously, okay, we'll take quarterback out at the top. So the other 21 positions, what exactly, how do you prioritize them? So you know that, okay, when you're looking at your board, like you have, typically, if you can picture a board, a physical board up on the draft room, you have all the positions across the top of the board horizontally, and then everybody stacked vertically within those positions. And you kind of, and then you have like a grading scale on the far left, and you kind of slot them in vertically across positions like this. So what winds up happening is, depending upon how you, you know,

29:42stack positions. So let's say that your top five positions are corner back, pass, rusher, defensive corner, offensive tackle, wide receiver. Let's see that those are your top five positions in that order. Most teams are going to have those five positions in some kind of order outside of quarterback. Okay? And you come up, and you're up on the clock, and say you're at pick five, right? And you're looking across the board, and you have three guys at premium positions who are all literally, as you look horizontally across the board, on the same plane. You haven't graded exactly the same. Now is when you go to how you prioritize building a football team. Yeah. Okay? And how you prioritize building a football team, sometimes it's like philosophically, how you believe, you know, teams should be built. There's obviously salary cat ramifications that are involved here. So, you know, a guy who winds up, you know, positions that carry a higher value in the NFL when you're talking about, you know, what the franchise tag would be, what the average,

30:42average salary per year would be, you want to kind of get those guys when they're younger on a rookie contract. You don't want to have to be in free agency, having to find those kind of people. So, you wind up prioritizing the number one, they have high positional value on a football team anyway, as far as how you play the game. And number two, that's usually going to come with a higher salary. So, you want as much cheap, affordable labor as you can possibly get. So, you're going to prioritize those guys higher. That's why running back, that's why it slides down the board. And that's why pass rushers, corners, offensive tackles are always going to go higher. And there may be guys who go higher, even if they are on your board, Jeremiah Love is sticking out. He's above everyone. But, you're going to, but you need an offensive tackle. You may take CC Mao and Noah from Miami, even if he is a notch below Jeremiah Love, simply because of the positional value to your football team. But if you take Jeremiah Love in the top 10, which you probably will. Which evil, yeah. So, you're going to double down on that.

31:42You're going to have to pay him as a top 10 pick. And then if he works out, you're going to have to pay him again. Correct? Like if you draft him and he turns out to be great, then you get to that fourth year. Well, now you're doubling down on that position. So, now you get into that Zeke Elliott situation. And then you go, how much gas does he have left? Can I get eight years out of Jeremiah Love? And that's why teams, I didn't get nervous with that top 10 pick on a running back. You know what's also interesting about that though? See, I do think traditionally, like back in the 2000s, early 2010s, late 90s. Yeah, you used to, you always thought about, could I get, how much runway can I get with a player? Can I get two contracts out of them? Can I get a decade? Can I get 10 years? You see how fast the league changes now? How much, I mean coaches get two, three years, and they're blown up out of there. I do think the mentality has changed some. Meaning, look, we got to win now.

32:42Otherwise, we see how impatient owners get right now. Yeah. So, I think a little bit of that calculus has changed. Like, I don't know if you worry about that so much as you, with Jeremiah, I wouldn't be worried about that, about doubling down and trying to figure out, you know, what am I going to do with the second contract? I just want to get through his first contract. I want to win some games. I want to be able to go worse the first, but I want to get some of these teams are doing. Because if I don't, I may be out of here, and the way in which he is able to help you win football games with his explosive playmaking ability, which is priority, what number one for every general manager and head coach right now. But why don't the judge take him at two? You know what? Probably because they're thinking this. Look, they're going to believe at some point here. I think they're going to franchise Breeze Hall. They really do like Breeze Hall, and Breeze is a good player. And I just don't think that makes sense for them. But I think, look, could Tennessee wind up taking him? Could Arizona wind up taking him? Could the Giants at five for shore wind up taking him? I absolutely think so.

33:42I absolutely think that he may not get past the Giants at five. He's, he's, look, they saw what they gave up. And they understood why they thought they maybe needed to give this up, meaning let, let's say, Juan go, but they saw the difference that he can make. They saw the difference that he can make. Now, obviously, you need to make sure your say Juan went to the perfect place with the perfect offense of line at that time. But Jeremiah is different. And I know for a fact as I hear it all the time, it's what every head coach is after. We need guys who can win games on one play. It's too hard to try and go for 10, 15 plays. And Jeremiah can do, I had a running back coach told me this, tell me this then. He said, you know who he reminds me of? He goes, don't, don't, don't, I'm not saying this is the one-to-one comparison. But he moves with the ease and fluidity of Eric Dickerson. That's what reminds me of. I haven't heard anybody in my entire time of scouting. Since I got done playing, compare anybody to Eric Dickerson. Nobody. Nobody, not a single runner. That was pretty high praise.

34:42And I respect the hell out of this guy who told me that. You're in love with love. I say, yeah, I'm not the only one. Everybody is. Yeah, he's this special. Yeah, but see, then I go back to the judge. Why not have another playmaker? Yeah. Okay, I have Breeze Hall. I get another playmaker. I want to put pressure on you on the defensive side. Yeah. Now deal with this. We'll incorporate these guys in the offense. If he's in the second best, most valuable player, difference maker. I have a hard time passing on. The only problem is they were, they were like, epically, historically bad on defense. Like, they have no playmakers inside. They gave all of them away. I'm just going to score more points. We don't have to score one more point. Well, that in mind, what you're looking at is, you know, can we address it somewhere later on down the line? I know. They're going to get a quarter back too. So that's the other thing too, Dan. I mean, what are they going to do at 16? What are they going to do? I mean, are they going to wind up taking a guy?

35:43I'm sitting here looking at my board. I'm going, hey, man. They got to get somebody. They got to get somebody to pull the trick. I don't know. They got so many different things going on there. But yet, Jeremiah's got a lot of people right now in personnel department sitting there going, should we? We saw what Jamir Gibbs did. We know what B. John Robinson can do. We saw what Sequion can do when he's at the right spot. Are we set up to where we can get that kind of return on investment if he's ours? And I think that's, this is, this is the fun time of year. It's a fun time of year for us. I don't know how fun it is for the teams and, you know, we're actually trying to make these decisions. But there are, there are some dudes, man. There are some guys right now who just showed over the weekend, over the past week, that the athletic component of the game is skyrocketing. These athletes are insanely, insanely talented and skilled and trained. And the game has never been more specialized and more athletic than it will be in 2026. That's for sure.

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40:54Your thoughts on that, and then what's that mean for Joe Mixon? Yeah, Dan, David Montgomery's trademark, it might as well have had a trade me sign at the NFL Combine. Because teams had the full expectation that he would welcome a change of scenery, that would Jameer gives being the one in Detroit. Montgomery felt like at age 28, so it's a miles left. And he had a good market, because he's only doing $6 million. So Houston gave up a lot to get him a fourth and a seventh round pick, which is a little rich. But GM Nick Cassaria is one of the most aggressive in the league. He will do a trade like that, and get ahead of it, and just take the guesswork out, even if it means giving up more than maybe he would have wanted. So that certainly helps. Montgomery will go into Houston as the number one back. I think that's pretty clear at this point. They have Woody Marks, a young player, and that leaves a big question mark for Joe Mixon, who has a cap casualty candidate anyways. So I believe that that marriage is probably over at this point, barring a surprise. Certainly, they loved Mixon last year, so maybe there's a chance he can come back healthy this year, but it seems like the writing's on the wall with this Montgomery trade.

41:57Does CJ Strong get a contract extension before this new season? You know what? I actually think there's a trend that could be brewing, and this will be an interesting case study for that. Do teams pay quarterbacks the huge money, even if that quarterback is not a top-tier guy, right? Like we saw it with two years ago. Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, all those guys were kind of outside of the top ten. They all got paid. It worked out for some. It didn't work out for Miami and two, where they're now stuck with $54 million in guaranteed money. I think the teams are going to rethink that process that they don't have a guy who's at the top shelf. If they have a guy in the middle shelf, they might wait a year, make them prove it in that fourth year. So Houston has made clear they want CJ Strong to be their quarterback in 2026. What that financial commitment looks like is still unknown, and I'm not wholly convinced that they're going to do it. I think they could kind of wait this out a little bit and see what he does, continue to build the team around him.

42:57Now I do believe Stroud is not just looking for the most massive number you can think of. He doesn't want to suppress his own market, but he does know that they got to pay Will Anderson the past russure. They got to pay some other pieces. They got to build a winner around him. I think he values being in Houston, doesn't want to cripple them long term as well. So maybe because of that, there's a sweet spot deal that they can do in the short term that makes sense for both sides. But I just think by and large teams are going to start to wait. I mean, Dan, you know, you've seen there are eight or nine quarterbacks out there in the last few years. Of guys that were not very good coming out, got benched, reset, and now they're good options. So you you're not beholden to the draft pick that you selected, who's maybe like good and not great. Like you can wait a little bit. You can find a Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield if you need to, you know, just because you don't want to pay the guy you have right now. Kyla Murray's market. Are the Cardinals on the hook for how much? So they're on the hook for they've already paid or locked into some guarantees.

43:57I think it's 18 million somewhere around there. He's got another big trigger coming up. I believe the fifth day of the new league year. So I think mid March is an artificial deadline. I think it's close to 20 million. It's a pretty big number that they'll be on the hook for. If they let him stay on the roster through say March 15th or whatever that date is. So that's an artificial deadline that they are going to move on. It would be a shock if they kept him on that number. So if you cut him that does open up a situation where a team because of the guarantees he's already been paid can get him on a cheap contract potentially. He's going to have value, you know, Minnesota. I know this considering Kyla Murray. He's one of their stronger considerations. I would say along with Geno Smith. That's probably tier one for them. You know, maybe they look into the direct car situation, but I haven't heard anything strong there. The teams are in that market right now. I think Kyla would probably be more of a backup second tier option for them. So all these guys want to go to Minnesota Dan because it's a great environment. You got Kevin O'Connell. You got Justin Jefferson. You got some pieces to work with.

44:57That is a hot team right now for the quarterback market. Even though they don't have a lot of money to spend. They have all these quarterbacks that are probably getting cut that are cheap because of the offset language and the guarantees they already have. Is JJ McCarthy going to get cut? I would be surprised if he gets cut. It's a similar situation to Anthony Richardson last year. I think in a perfect world, they would like to bring somebody on. Like if you bring on Geno Smith, let's say, right? But why I think he's interesting to Minnesota is because, you know, he's had enough struggles where if you bring him in and sell him as a competitor to JJ, you can kind of sell it. But you can also sell it as, yeah, he's probably the starter. So you're hedging both ways. And you can keep it alive with JJ a little bit. And maybe he surprises you and camp. But, you know, we've all been there, Dan. It's kind of like when you get broken up with where somebody starts seeing other people like when they do that, it's kind of clear. It's probably over. So there's that element to the JJ McCarthy situation as well. Similarly, Anthony Richardson with Daniel Jones, when they signed Daniel Jones, they were probably going to start him.

46:00They were going to have a competition in camp and maybe see Richardson can play him out. But they sort of knew where it was going. I think this is a similar situation in Minnesota. But they know where this is headed. But they'll leave a little wiggle room for JJ to maybe surprise him. Talking to Jeremy Fowler, mother ship, ESPN, senior NFL reporter. If the Steelers don't have Aaron Rogers, what is Plan B? Right now, I would say Plan B is Will Howard, who's a six-round pick. You know, he, that wouldn't be the flashy option. But they, you know, just talking to people there, they really do like him a lot. You know, he's great in the huddle, in the locker and he's great with teammates. He's acquitted himself well. He, they felt like Aaron Rogers did a really good job mentoring him last year. And he might just be ready to play. Now, the flip side of that is they've done a lot of homework on this draft dating back to really two years ago. They've been kind of loading up for this draft class to potentially take a quarterback. Now, it's not as strong as people thought it was probably going to be six months ago. When you had all those names that, you know, whether it was Dural or Penn State or three or four of them,

47:03that you felt we're going to be in the mix in the first round. It just didn't work out. So, uh, that's the craps you to the draft. But they, they've done a lot of homework where they took one this year. It would not shock me. And maybe it's somewhere high. Maybe it's Ty Simpson in the late first or they can find a way to get him in the second or a Garrett and us my or day two. Like, I, I do think they've looked long and hard at this type of options. The Jets situation. What did they do at quarterback? So, for playing musical chairs, Dan, they're probably going to get the last chair. Like, whoever's, whoever's left, the Jets are going to get. Why? You know, nobody wants to play there. I mean, unless they're willing to just overpay, you, you have to overpay in New York to get the guy you want. No, nobody wants to play there. I, I shouldn't say nobody, but it's not an attractive spot for these quarterbacks. Like I mentioned Minnesota. You know, I, I would say Arizona, Miami are both probably slightly more attractive than the Jets right now. I would say that in the view of these quarterbacks or people in the market.

48:03Now, the Jets offer Garrett Wilson. They have a pretty good offensive line. Breeze Hall, they're probably going to tag him. So you do have some pieces there. They got a ton of first round picks in the next two drafts. Darren Moogie, the GM has set that up a trade. So, you know, you might have something, but they got Justin Fields. He's still in the books for 10 million in guarantees. You know, they very well could just kind of bite that bullet, cut them and move on. I just think they'll end up getting, you know, one of those bridge options. Maybe it's Jacoby Bressette and Arizona. It could trade in. It could be somebody like that. I just don't think they're going to get the top, top option. Can somebody build a bridge and name it the, you know, Jacoby Bressette bridge? Like the Bressette bridge. Yeah. I mean, they should. After all these years, he's been a bridge quarterback. I mean, there's Teddy Bridgewater. But, you know, it's like it's Jacoby Bridgewater. Percussions. Going to have a home? I think there's a chance of that. I think he's going to have to wait a little bit. I don't sense he's in that top tier guys that's going to get a job right off the bat.

49:05I think he'd be a backup or a third option for Minnesota. Back up, as in, I mean, like, who they want to sign as their bridge option. Oh, okay. You know, I think he's sort of in that group with Tuha and that second tier for Minnesota, for example. But I don't, I don't think there's going to be movement on him heavy out of the gate. Now, he's got to be released by Atlanta. That will happen at the Newt Lee gear next week. And then you go from there. So he's played well enough to get a job somewhere. But there's not a clear path right now that I'm hearing. I think he could just strategically wait a little bit. And look, he's got this TV situation in his back pocket. You know, he kind of did a trial basis during a season. Did pretty well. You know, he's good talking football. Like, he kind of has that as an option. I think he still wants to play, but certainly he's intrigued by that side of things on the broadcast media side. What about my guy, Malik Willis? Malik Willis is going to get, but he's going to get a nice contract. He's going to get paid some of the numbers that have been floated out there several times last week, 30 plus million dollars.

50:05I would shoot that down. I've talked to a dozen teams about it. They don't have them in the 30 million dollar range. They have them in that 20 million dollar bucket, maybe 25. So I think that's a sweet spot and less things get crazy and he's just got three teams that have to have him. Miami's definitely in Arizona might very well be in, but they also might go Jimmy Garoppolo, another bridge option for you to. And then the third one would be, I mean, you know, like maybe the Jets want to overpay there, but Pittsburgh is not an option. I don't sense that right now. Cleveland as well. I don't think Cleveland's an option. Malik Walsh's agent is David Mulligan, who has Deshan Watson, who has a chance to start in Cleveland. I would be shocked if that. Do you think that's a legitimate shot that Deshan Watson is starting quarterback this upcoming season? I think it's a shock. I don't know if I'm going to say the legitimate shot yet. I do believe it's, it will be on the table. I was told they're going to let those guys compete and roll. But he's healthy though. He should be the starting quarterback.

51:05Well, and I would say people close to Deshan would tell you that the Kevin Stofansky Deshan Watson fit just it didn't work. And it probably wasn't the offense where he's been best. You know, that Gary Kubiak wide zone system where it's a lot under center in the play action. Todd Munkin system will be better for Deshan Watson. It's more what he's used to Todd Munkin is sort of a chameleon. You know, he can change his offense a lot of different ways, but he can appeal to the guy who was really good in college and did some spread off. Hence concepts like that's Deshan. So the feeling is like, hey, let's try this. Maybe he's got this last year left on his deal. We owe him $46 million. Nobody's going to take him. So let's just see how it goes and roll the ball out and see if Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel can beat him out. The Raiders situation. So you take for an end of Mendoza. Yeah, I don't assume he's going to start the season as the number one quarterback. Unless you hear otherwise, but I think they got to beef up that team a little bit. Certainly the offensive line.

52:06Who is the backup or maybe who's going to be the starting quarterback with the Raiders? Well, that's a big piece to all this day because you have Geno Smith who could find a home as a starter elsewhere. Still, you know, last year wasn't all his fault. There's a really bad team. And so I think what's happening here is if you're Geno, you're saying, okay, if I stay here, I'll probably start, but we're still bad. And I'm playing eight games that I'm going to get benched and then my career is cratered. Where can they just trade or release me here? And I can get out and go to a Minnesota or a Miami or somewhere to just reset my career again, which he's done multiple times. And, you know, to his credit, he's become a pro bowler, you know, a couple years ago in Seattle. So that's the sense right now. I'd be surprised if he's on the roster in Vegas. I think what they'll do is they'll draft Mendoza and they'll get a steady veteran somewhere, whether it's Aiden O'Connell who's there or it's somebody else, you know, somebody who can kind of half mentor, half play games and just give Mendoza out there when he's ready.

53:06You know, whether that's week one or week 12 or next year, but they're trying to play the long game. They're with everything. They know they need a lot. They're going to be active and free agency because they have to. They got a hundred million dollars to spend. They're going to get a guard or a center and a receiver and a linebacker. Like, they have a lot of holes and it's going to take two years to film. Great stuff as always. Thank you, Jeremy. Thanks, Dan. Appreciate it. That's Jeremy Fowler on the scene of show podcast each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon Danny Trail, talk about addiction, transformation and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to bench, featuring powerful conversations with the guest like Tiffany Addish, Johnny Knoxville and more. I'm an alcohol. And without this drug, I'm a die. Listen to the scene show on the IHAR radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 IHAR podcast awards live from South by Southwest.

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