The American Dream: Is it dead or alive?

0:00In this political Colosseum, we slay the rising beast with the faithful sword of truth that transcends hypocrisy and censorship. It's time to unleash yourself from the tyrants of media propaganda on the America Out Loud Talk radio network. This is Unleashed the Political News Hour. Welcome to Unleashed the Political News Hour here on America Out Loud News. I'm your host, Mayor Deb. What is the American Dream? Throughout history, many have written and spoken about this dream. And the question I'd like to discuss today is whether or not that dream still exists. By definition, the American Dream is the national ethos of the United States, which holds that

1:04anyone, regardless of where they were born or what social class they were born into, can achieve success, prosperity, and upward social mobility through hard work, determination, and initiative. The foundational belief of this dream is that society is both open and fair, and it offers a chance for everyone to rise based on their ability rather than their birth circumstances. However, today, many Americans discuss whether or not that dream exists and a recent survey found that 51% of US adults say the American dream is out of reach for most people right now. Joining me today are the co-hosts for two women inspiring real life here on America Out Loud, Dr. Stephanie Coxen and Kathy Anderson Martin.

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4:12That's B-E-A-R-B-A-R dot com forward slash out loud. Well, did you see Google quietly updated its AI principles removing its pledge not to use AI for weapons or surveillance? They promised they agreed to it 2018. But American people have seen Google's track record prompt in the question, is Google and untrustworthy player in the AI race? Now is our time, my fellow Americans, America Out Loud dot News, Liberty and Justice for all. Welcome back everyone. Joining me now are the incredible co-host for a show that is here on America Out Loud platform called Toro, two women inspiring real life.

5:13I am joined by Dr. Stephanie Coxen and Kathy Anderson Martin. These women, you really have to tune into their show. I just really unscripted, real and raw any and every topic, nothing is off limits. You will learn so much and gain so much insight from just tuning in for an hour show. But today I am lucky to have them joining me here on Unleash the Political News Hour. And we are going to talk all about the American Dream. I want to get their input and their perspective on what is going on in our country is the American Dream still alive? Is it dying? Is it being replaced with socialism? Is digital ID part of that plan? And agenda 2030, I want us to touch on that as well because I feel as though all of these ducks are being lined up for a reason and perhaps it is not a coincidence.

6:18So on that note, Stephanie and Kathy, thank you for joining me today. Thank you so much. I am excited to be here and talk about some of this stuff. See where this conversation takes us because it may take us down some deep rabbit holes. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Yes. Well, let's start off with the American Dream. It is a phrase that has been tossed around for decades to me. And I just want us all to say what we think the American Dream is briefly. For me, it is growing up in a country that allows you to make choices freely and have opportunities, no matter what the color of your skin is, what your religious beliefs are, and being able to just through your determination and hard work, being able to be successful and perhaps own a home, raise a family, have it be affordable.

7:20Those are just some of the things off the top of my head. How about you, Stephanie? You know, I really think that the American Dream is about freedom, freedom of choice, and the freedom to live your life the way that you want to after all. We left England in order to have religious freedom. And I think that is really the basis. So when I look at our government, it was formed to protect us and it has become so much more than that, I feel like it has been ripped out because truly it is about the freedom to raise a family, to be happy, to pursue, or to pursue happiness. We have the number one ability in the world to create wealth, regardless of where you come from. Like, this is truly the place that you have the freedom to choose the direction of your life. And so for me, that's the foundation of what we should be looking at in evaluating. I agree. I think, you know, I get mired in all of the political, big picture, back row things that

8:22we see. But on a micro level, for the past 25 years, I was in the corporate world and the past 25 years worked in the nonprofit space. And now I have my own business as a consultant for nonprofits. So that's the American Dream to me, you know, being able to change careers and then ultimately have my own business and employ myself. But in those nonprofits, I've seen a lot of people and continue to see people who are achieving and living the American Dream. And that is because they have opportunities in this country and some of those people are from other countries. They're legal immigrants. And I think, you know, when we don't put a check on illegal immigration, the people that we harm the most of those people who've worked hard to get here and to do it the right way. But I digress on that. But they are people that are achieving. They are people that did not have a great start. I mean, there's certainly some of us who we've born into families that have maybe a better

9:24situation than others. So we have different starts. But this amazing country, regardless of your start, allows you the self-determination, the freedom and opportunity to change, maybe whatever difficult situation you're in. And through hard work, effort, connections to achieve economically. And as you said, Stephanie, the right to exhibit your faith, participate in your faith, community, and so forth. And I see that every day in people that, again, are achieving that, whether they're getting a CDL license and now they can have a good employment as a truck driver or an electrician or as a philbotomist, because they had a scholarship or they worked hard to get into a program or just work, again, it's also work and self-sufficiency versus our government sadly promotes dependency, the way our system is as opposed to self-sufficiency. But there are lots of opportunities and I'm optimistic with what I see on that micro-level.

10:27The macro-level concerns me. But the micro-level, I see it every day. I love how it took you literally less than 30 seconds to get into immigration, well done. Yeah, no, you know what? You were speaking, Stephanie, I was thinking of a guy who lived in a refugee camp and I think he was bootonies for years. And he came to the nonprofit that I was at and he was helping, he was going to community college, he's in his 30s, he had a family. And he was so upset because people at our nonprofit who were there in the feeding program were complaining what free meal they had that day because they didn't like it or it was repetitive. And he said, I can't understand this because I ate the same food in the refugee camp for 10 years. But what he was doing was doing everything right to provide for a better life for his family. And it was through effort and work and this amazing country that gave him that opportunity. So I applaud that guy. I applaud people that were born here and are working hard to achieve the American dream.

11:27I think they should be supported. I think our problem is our system promotes dependency as opposed to encouraging self-sufficiency. And with this trend in socialism, I'm a fear that's going to be worse. But again, I think there are a lot of good stories and good people achieving what we think is it still alive. Yeah, that's a really good point that you brought up about nonprofits and our country being able and willing to help so many people get some type of, you know, even arrive at a starting line. But I want to talk about, since we jumped into it, the illegal situation, you know, initially when President Trump campaigned on how he would handle this illegal coming into the country, it was a message that was given something along this line. And obviously I'm paraphrasing here. But it was kind of like, we're going to round up the bad ones. We're going to round up the criminals.

12:28And then I think what's happened is it's just become one big net and it's kind of scooping up everyone just at the status point of being an illegal. For example, somebody has been here for 10 years and they've been working as a rougher, for example. All of the sudden this net kind of took them into what was initially rolled out as being for people who were being harmful to people here in this country and, you know, criminals and so forth. What are both of your thoughts on the way that's handled now? You know, I, so I, my grandmother immigrated here. And I, you know, some all about immigration. I think that's very important. I love that we are the melting pot of the world. I love the stories like Kathy who shares the boutonise guys, you know, story of hard work. I love all of that. But I think, you know, I remember I had, my mom had a good friend, herner, daughter,

13:30they were from France, had lived here for years working doing, you know, really good stuff, trying to go about it the legal way. And they were sent back to France. She was in school. Mom had worked at the university literally for, I can't remember how long. So I find it, you know, really upside down the way that our system works. And I think that things, regardless of what's going on, you need to come in legally. I don't care if you have been working 10 years, do the legal process. That's really all that I'm asking. But I say that with the caveat of we need to change the legal process. If you are not working, you should not be here. You should have no rights to any sort of public assistance in my opinion. Like that's not what our role is. Our role is to provide opportunities that you can make free choices to move within that system, not to support you and not to support your children. That's, you know, when we move to another country as a expatriate, we have to provide our

14:36own income in order to get into that country. And the same should hold true within the US. I don't care if you're not making, you know, I think some of the South American countries about $2,000 a month and you're allowed to get citizenship there. I don't, without working within the country, I don't think we have to have those roles. But we do have to, you do have to be self-sufficient if you're going to be over here. You cannot rely on the government system. I think the cases you brought up, Deb, I think when you hear those, it's unfortunate. And there's not any of us who say, oh, that's awful. But at the root cause, like you said, Stephanie, it's the word illegal. I mean, it's regardless of the situation. And I think that I bring that boot knees guy up because he sat in a refugee camp for 10 years waiting for his chance to get here. And you know, if someone kind of jumps the line and gets in the park, the amusement park before him, I just think that's not right.

15:37I do think, Stephanie, as you mentioned, our system is wrong. I have a friend who just got married to someone from England. I mean, they've been dating for years. They've been back and forth. She's here as a legal resident. You know, they're, they're wedding. She's not permitted to work for six months until other papers and so forth. She's college educated, has a lot of skills that she can offer young, energetic, great people. That to me is an upside down ridiculous law. You have someone who's done all the right things here legitimately wants to be an American, wants to work, has skills to apply. Why in the world can't she go get a job versus the guy who's illegal at working as a rougher is where I'm now she's going to follow the law because again, there's that word legal versus illegal. And you know, so again, I think it's unfortunate, but it is what it is. And when you start making exceptions, then where do you draw the line? And you have a slippery slope of world balllessness like we've seen in the past few years.

16:40Yeah. No, I think you both make excellent points and that's why I asked the question because I think that it's important to get perspectives and you definitely, you know, brought two grades perspectives here today. On that note, if we have, you know, we're having this problem with affordability in this country and we hear it all the time when you turn on the news, you know, affording groceries, the gas prices, those seem to be the top two news stories, almost every news cycle. And the other thing is obviously college education, student debt that is also a big topic. Do you think that it's harder today or to raise a family than it was in the era that we grew up in the 70s, for example, or is it just, you know, the latest news story, the latest clickbait or what do you thoughts on that?

17:44I definitely think it's harder when you look at, you know, the average cashier of the 1960s could afford a home, but I do not think it's, you know, we want to sit here and we want to blame the employers and stuff like that. But really what it is is the government regulations. The reason your cars are $60,000 is because the regulations that your government is putting into place and the requirement of these electronics and everything else that are going into the vehicles, right? It's not necessarily the dealerships. I had a conversation with a guy from Lexus, actually Toyota corporate has gotten emails from me. I'm not going to go into the details of that because I don't think they want me to share them. But, you know, I've kind of gotten into a few things and one of the people from Lexus specifically had said, well, we try to legally keep our technology as low as possible because we, they tend to have older drivers and the older drivers don't want it. But they cannot escape that because of what is required by our government.

18:44I just wish people would understand your school is so expensive because of the government because it has allowed people to go and just borrow money, not understanding the consequences of the money. The schools now have access to where they've just grown these universities. We don't need all the stuff at the universities. We need a classroom, a book, and a teacher, right? And each one of those classrooms, you can fill, you know, you could get a couple hundred students per teacher, right? With a book, like it's not a super expensive endeavor until you get into the regulatory stuff. So, you have the ability to sue and get offended over absolutely everything until you have to protect, until you have to get the workers' compensation because you can't put one foot in front of the other and you trip on the sidewalk and then you want to blame someone else. Like, we have a lot of issues. I think that just prevent us from being able to be affordable in my very humble opinion on this. I think it's absolutely ridiculous as I say this all the time.

19:44Burn it all down. Just burn it all down. It's just, I know, I know, I can see Kathy's face. I wish everyone could see Kathy's face right now. But, like, I just, you've got to admit, like, it is stressful to start a job and you have to have all this stuff and why? Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I agree with you Steph. I mean, it's definitely more expensive. I mean, we all know that. Also, you have to think we had record inflation under the Biden administration. So you're on top of that. That was not going to go back. So when you had double digits, then you could fall back to single. And you have to remember the single is still on top of the double that you had a couple years ago. But, you know, we have a free market economy and some of it is our expectations of consumers. I think you mentioned the 70s, Deb. When I was a kid growing up in the 70s, we did not have central air conditioning. Mom and dad had a window unit and when it got really hot, we could sleep on their floor. And then I remember we upgraded, oh my word, we each got our own window units and we thought we were rich.

20:45I remember the time we got a car that had air conditioning. I thought we were wealthy because we had never had that luxury. We drove to Florida, you know, with the windows down. So we have these, and I look in my home, all of these conveniences and things we did not have before. Well, guess what? Those things come with a cost. So we have these things now. I don't even know if you could buy a car without air conditioning. And if you see a house, you know, that doesn't have central air. I'm only using central air because it's hot and summer. But those are things now we have as expectations and they come with a cost versus and you think you can go down a laundry list of things that we have now that we didn't have then. So that is going to increase the cost of building a home because you want all of these extra things. And again, the regulations, you are correct, Stephanie. As for education, I, the cost of education is out of control. But 30 years ago, when I was in sales, we actually taught a separate class about how to sell to the educational market.

21:47This is 30, 40 years ago because you could make so much money because they just spent money, you know, other people's money, OPM, without any kind of accountability that you would find in business. And also, I think our higher education, I'm on the board of a financial institution and they cannot find the people they need for cybersecurity and with the right credentials to do and skilled workers for some of their jobs. They have actually been going to college presidents and saying, look, the product that you're producing with the traditional four year degree in IT is worthless until they, you're teaching stuff that was three years ago, you should have a seven week certificate program, give them the basics and then let us hire them. So that all has to change because the schools are charging for a lot of nonsense information that they're teaching and other things that companies don't want. And I see that firsthand because I sit on that board of those company of a large institution

22:48and saying, you're producing a product that we can't hire, you know, and a four year degree, the traditional thing of all this stuff is just not relevant with the fast pace of technology and development. So there's a whole lot of, I agree with you, Stephanie, and burn it down. Unfortunately, there's too many people making money on the ineffective system and inefficient system that we have. I can't even buy a stick shift car, starting to really upset me. Well, I just, I just want a standard car. I'm going to have to go to Mexico and get one and drive it across the border. Well, here's the other thing. I this week sat in a presentation on I.I. from a CIO of a large company and it was actually excellent and I hate AI. I think it's the devil and the anti-Christ. So I'll just put that out there. He was saying that the amount of chips we need for technology, you know, with everything we do, how already the production is committed for the entire next year, meaning capacity to produce this stuff, they've already sold what they need for in 2027.

23:52So again, the laws of supply and demand are going to increase prices because production can't keep up with supply of things we need. And while I rail against AI and data centers and all the stuff, guess what? We're using it when we log into Facebook and when we use GPS and all the other things. So, you know, that, but it all contributes, as you said, to the cost. Yeah, I think you both make outstanding points. And I, you know, when I think about your example, Kathy, from the 70s with the Eric conditioning, for me, one of the core premises of the American dream is that ensuring that our children do better or have a better life and better opportunities than we did. And that's kind of something that we hear time and time again, like the Eric conditioning story, right? And I just feel that today, for example, so many children are going to school and then they're moving back in with mom and dad because they cannot afford an apartment.

24:56And when I look back in history, that was something I was able to do. I was able to work and have my own apartment. I didn't have to move in with mom and dad. And so I see some of these foundations of the American dream really slipping away. And I think what I want to get into now is what are we slipping into? Is it socialism? Is that seems to be where everybody's heading? We elected, New York City elected, I should say, Mayor Zoron Mendoni, who is a self-proclaimed Democratic socialist. And they seem to be rallying around the governor's hopeful as well, who leans towards socialism, policies. You know, is that where we're heading? I believe so. I think that what we have, you know, Kathy brought up the free market concept. I don't know that we're in that truly free market anymore.

25:57When you look at the advantages that these gigantic corporations have been given, I love Reagan. I don't necessarily agree. Like some of his policies have really taken us into an area where small businesses no longer have the advantage. And that's really the engine of any economy is that for the middle class, right? As a small businesses. So I think some of that has been stripped away. Saying that, you know, we, the concept of socialism is that your government is taking care of a lot of things, right? Like that's really just, if you really just pull everything away, that's really the concept of it. We're already there. Like, let's not kid each other. We are already there. You know, I, we have a serious issue when it comes to things like public education, for example, where every student has the right to be educated. And we hold tight to that concept. The problem is we have so many students who cannot actually fit into the classroom and have the classroom grow and educate each person anymore because we are, we are delivering

27:00stuff to the lowest common denominator, right? We have disruptions. We have some serious issues. And I think you're going to find out across the board. We are trying to accommodate the lowest factors within the, within the economy. So, you know, we are taking care of their health care. We are paying for their food. We are doing different things. And that's, that's a problem because if you have access to that, it becomes too easy not to work for yourself. I 100% believe that we need to take care of those who can't, cannot take care of themselves. We need to help those who are widowed and all the sudden are, you know, by themselves, they've lost, you know, their husband, they weren't working whatever or kids who have lost their parents. But in that support is to teach them how to grow on their own, is to teach them how to fish, not to give them the fish. And what we are doing in, in, in socialism is we're giving them the fish. Well, that's not helping anybody because if you're not there to give them the fish, they're still going to go hungry. And at some point, we're not going to have the fish to give them.

28:02All right. And on that note, Kathy, I'm sorry, we're going to get into a break here on, on that note. Let's pick up Kathy's view on what you just said, Stephanie, when we return from the break. And I also want you ladies to chime in on what you think we can do as average citizens to perhaps turn this ship around, the ship that's heading into socialism. So everyone stay tuned more to come with Dr. Stephanie Cox and Kathy Anderson Martin when we return. The treatment city tap water molecules structure gets messed up so your cells can't fully absorb it. Yes, we have to purify our water, but what are we doing to fix the water structure so the body can actually absorb it. That is why we created our lab certified structured water devices. These devices restore water molecules back to their natural structure, just like a mountain stream, making them highly absorbable. It's not how much water you drink, it's how much water you absorb that counts.

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30:16But before I do that, I think I just want to throw this quote out, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him and to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. So on that note, Kathy, we had a jump in a break. Let's pick up where you were when we left that discussion. Oh, I have so much to say. We started asking about the little mandami and Democrat socialists of America, tweets running around and that's what they are. Stupid, stupid people. So I'm sorry if that's, well, they're not listening. So I'm not offending any of them. But this is where I think that started. I think it started with the participation trophy. You have this generation who got awards and acclimation for doing nothing. They played sports. They didn't keep score. They got ribbons. I had that with my own daughter. One time she chose not to participate in something at our church and they still gave

31:19her ribbon. And I remember walking out and her saying, I still got a ribbon and I said that your ribbon is because I drove you there every week. It had nothing to do with what you did. That was a little tough love. But I think that is the start of this because they want to be awarded. They want to get stuff. Stephanie mentioned free stuff, free healthcare, free school and not work for it. And it drives and they don't understand how the economy works, how the free market works, how supplying, how you have the opportunity. You know, freedom to succeed also should mean freedom to fail. You should not have this. We have that. You can try. You can try to do business if it's not something the market wants or you sell a product that people don't want, you're going to fail. If you develop something that people want, we see that every day, a service, what have you, you have the opportunity to succeed. Of course, there's more that goes into that. But I think that's the whole problem with these people. And you asked Deb, how do we, as citizens or whatever confront that?

32:22I think it starts in our own home. And I mean that in our own boy scout troop and our own, I guess you're not even, I don't think they're called themselves boy scouts anymore, scout troop, whatever. The girl, I don't know what they call themselves. But our own sports leagues, you reward and for effort and achievement as opposed to, well, everybody succeeds. That's not the case. Because when you do that, you diminish the people that truly, I remember our kids, they went to public school in elementary school. They took away grades and they gave these M-O, I don't even know what the thing stood for. My daughter struggled in reading. She had the same scores as our neighbor kid in the same class who was like two grades ahead. How do you tell who's the, you know, the overachiever and the kids who needs help with that kind of lunacy and ridiculousness? So it starts in your own home. It starts going to school when that happened. I was going to meetings and making a ruckus. The head of administration, elementary administration called me Mrs. Marshall and the kids were like,

33:25my kids were like, oh, thank goodness she doesn't know who you are. So she can't pick on us as the Martin kids. But you know, you have to start an Stephanie set or public education systems of mess. Start in your own home and don't give your kids credit when they don't deserve it or haven't worked for it. And then go to your school, go to your scout troop, tell your church group, no, they shouldn't be rewarded for doing nothing. Because then they turn into these little twits who are saying, oh, I want socialism. Well, and I also, let me add to that because I just had a conversation this morning with one of my children who are either required to sign like some sort of, you know, code of conduct and social media sort of thing. And I said, well, he goes, well, did you sign? I said, I actually did not. I said, and I'm not going to the way that it is written because it takes away your constitutional right, your fourth amendment. I said, I am not okay with that. He goes, well, can I sign it? And I said, no, you're 16 years old. You don't have the ability to sign and agree to something without me because what I tell my coaches, I said, you tell your coaches, my mother won't allow me to sign.

34:27He goes, oh, I tell them that I can't sign. I said, no, you tell them you, you're not allowed to sign it. And you teach them to read because right now we have people walking into hospitals, people signing up for Instagram who are agreeing to things that they are not reading and they are literally giving up your rights. So your new Instagram post, for example, they have the right to turn you into the police if they find that your post goes against their violations. We've got to teach people to educate, to critically think and say, what is the consequence of signing this or agreeing to this? I mean, I just think it's so much more than what we've realized because we've come to society. We've got to sign this blank pad for a screen. We can't see. How do I know that's what I'm signing? How do we know? But that's where we are. Blindly signing away everything without thinking what are the consequences of this?

35:29You know, that's a great point. And I think that this is by design all of this. We've taken away critical thinking, critical teaching skills out of the classroom. We have basically just leveled a playing field, but not in the way, not in the sense of a fairness perspective, but just kind of diluted it, diluted any ability to step outside of the box to ask questions. And oftentimes when you do have families, parents or children who decide to take a stand against the system, unfortunately, they get viciously attacked by the surrounding community, whether it's a school community or a work community or healthcare community. And oftentimes those individuals face incredible backlash sometimes are even canceled. And it's a hard frost to bear to be that individual who's willing to say no.

36:37I've been that person and all I have to say, if you're an adult who can't take that, how are you ever going to expect the next generation or your kids to take that? So there comes a time you have to stand up. And yes, the consequences might be. And a lot of times I don't think there is bad as we fear. I think Stephanie, you and I have discovered over the past five years, we found the whole network of other people who support each other, who agree. But it's just like anything, if you don't demonstrate that spine, don't expect your kids to have it. And then don't be surprised when your country falls because you have to, and that's been since history. I saw the movie Young Washington over 4th of July. And it just reminded me how even then back in the Revolutionary War, only 25% I believe or less of Americans were supporting a revolution. So it was that quiet or that loud minority who are willing to stand up, who have given us the freedom we have now. And you've got to decide to be that. Yeah, so I'm going to go back to my early morning conversation.

37:40Last year his football coach has had asked him to wear pink socks. And I took it upon myself to say no, we would not be supporting this organization because they donate a lot of money towards, well, first of all, it's just a lot of wasted money to pay for people at the top. But they put money towards killing babies. And so he goes, Mom, and the conversations are, Mom, please don't email my coaches or talk to my coaches. I will handle it this year. And I said, well, what do you mean? He goes, well, I'm just going to wear the pink socks. I said, you are not going to wear the pink socks. I said, do you believe in killing babies? And do you want to support an organization that does that? He goes, no. Okay, I will take care of it. Just don't email them. I will not wear the pink socks. Right? He, the start of that conversation, those he didn't want to stand out. And I said, we can't live, you know, we can live in this world, but we have to separate ourselves in this world. We can't match everyone. And that's absolutely taught. Right? So now, because I explain, this is what you're supporting. If you wear those pink socks, he's like, okay, you know what, I'm not going to wear

38:42the pink socks, but let me handle it myself. And that's, that's huge. And that all comes from the parents, right? Because they have to see the parents setting themselves apart from what the world is doing. You know, it's funny. You say that's definitely, I remember during COVID, my daughters, they were college age, high school, during COVID, they were getting a poll that I was getting kicked out for not wearing a mask and, you know, mom, just, but then now that my daughter is older, she's a teacher. She teaches in a Christian school. So she chooses to make a lot less money to not be in a government school. But she had a job last summer and they had, I guess, like, pride day where your rainbow clothing that day, and she goes, and she's telling me about it. She goes, mom, I wore black dress. She goes, I didn't make a big deal, but I wore black dress. And I thought, oh, my word. And she's very passive and introvert. She's not like me at all. I'm like, maybe something stuck while she was mortified that I went wear a mask. Maybe she wore black dress on pride day.

39:44So maybe there's hope. I'm going to say it's all fall. It starts in the pink socks and the colorful dresses. Yes. Yeah, I think both of you touch on a great point about it really starting at home as a parent with your own children. And I just, you know, if you're listening and you're a parent, you know, take a stand. I mean, I think the more that we can band together, there is great power in that. I think we saw that during COVID and we're certainly saying it, you know, five, six years now with everything that's coming out about all of the mistruths, the miscience that we were being ordered to follow. But I digress. That's a whole other show. You know, let's talk about though, is this by design? I feel as though our world is less colorful when you go to, I'm sitting at the pediatrician's office the other day. And every single wall is painted like gray, the tiles are like gray, you know, back in

40:48the 70s, 80s, when you went into the pediatrician, there were colorful walls that were toys everywhere. We're seeing this decolorization. I'll call it of our worlds. We're starting to roll out teaching robots. I know here in Selamank, New York, they were going to bring in a robot to instruct a class. Parents pushed back on it and now that has been taken off the table. So once again, there's power in numbers if we can all just start to come together for the good of our children. Because I fear that we're setting up a digital cage for our kids. You can go into an airport now and many of the airports do not even accept cash. Everything is digital. Are we going into this Chinese type social credit system? That's where I see things heading. How about you ladies? 100%.

41:49I, you know, one of the things to go, I've noticed that the airports is they're doing these doors that kind of separate you. I don't know how to describe it very well, but you're basically walking into a doored cage and then walking out. I'm seeing existently installed in our different airports and that's something where they can actually scan you for different reasons before you exit. I'm very concerned about that because that is part of that identification and digitizing and biometrics that we are dangerously like, you know, basically stepping into. We're frogs being boiled, right? It's right now. It's fairly warm. It's not quite boiling, but it will get to a boiling point and then we're going to face the consequences and it'll be too late because not enough people are willing to say, hey, nope, not doing this. I look at the people, you know, going through the airports, just getting photos taken without even thinking. You have a right not to get that photo taken.

42:49Use it. It doesn't take any more time. Use it. Yeah. And let me just interject on that point. And I want to go back to our discussion on illegals. How we have a federal agency ice wearing masks and rounding up large groups of individuals. And I guess, and I just want to be like, you know, look at this from a different perspective here. What happens when those federal agents determine that let's just say Christians are the ones who are breaking a law or a rule and they start rounding all Christians up and putting them into those detainment camps? Is it just that maybe a lot of people right now don't care because they're not illegal? So they think I'm marked safe, but for how long are you marked safe until the next persecution or next group is deemed as being evil or illegal or whatever the term is that they roll

43:54out. Todd, let's talk about that for a second. Well, I think first of all, there's a distinction. There again, you know, illegal immigration immigrant. If you truly are an illegal immigrant, the first word in your thing is illegal. Christianity is at least not today illegal in America, you know, so there's, I think, a distinction. Although you bring a good point in a slippery slope and, you know, an application, I'm a Christian and I have certain beliefs. I know Stephanie and I talked about this. We have a friend who was railing against something of an Islamic community being built like a neighborhood and they were, you know, that you were, is going to be Muslim to live there and they were doing a community center and a mosque, whatever they do. And I said, you know, and they had bought the land. They were developing it as this and they were like, this shouldn't be allowed. Well, there are other organizations and, you know, you have to apply equal things.

44:58I mean, there are Christian schools where you have to sign and say, I agree to this. I, you know, this is what I believe and they build the school for Christians. There are Christian retirement communities, you know, and so forth that that's an expectation. If I want to live there, I want that lifestyle. So while we may not like, oh, I don't know, it's another thing if they're instituting sharia law and laws against, you know, they are contradict the laws of our country. But I don't think while I may not like it, it may not be what I want to believe, nor do I necessarily, I don't all support that faith necessarily for a lot of reasons. I can't say, oh, they shouldn't be allowed to do it, but then expect that I should be able to have my communities as a, my faith, Christian faith communities. So I think, you know, the same thing there. I mean, it is a, a slippery slope. I also see the ice agents because of them being doxed in their families and their address. I mean, I understand why they're disguising their thing, but they're again, it's a

46:02slippery slope. And, you know, we have, we should be concerned about that. I understand what they're doing. I understand why they're doing. They're trying to clean up a situation that was made by a previous administration, but we have to think about that as you bring up that point. Absolutely. I completely agree with, with Kathy on this one. And it is, it's the slippery slopes. You know, one of the things that makes the United States so different than the rest of the world is our freedom of speech. And we've got to adhere to that. We've got to adhere to the freedoms and just understand that we're not going to agree with everyone, but you have the freedom to live your life the way you want to pursue the happiness that you, that you believe is happiness, whatever that is. When it's not harmful to other people, and it stays within the constitution of our, our federal, you know, our federal constitution. It's our original one, not the ones that they want to change. Anyway, you know, I just, I think that we have to remember that and that we're not going

47:05to agree and that's okay. But we don't want to lose the freedom to be able to express our opinions, to be able to create a community, a Christian community that we can't send our kids to, and they can have a safer space to act out. And I want to say act out, meaning being Christians, right? Certainly at the public schools, they are getting a lot of flak right now. And so I, I think there's validity to everything that Kathy was saying in regards to that. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I bring it up. I, I do agree with you, Kathy, you know, starting off illegal, right? There is a legal way to come to this country. And I think that those ways should be followed. And if we don't like the actions or the time or the way that those laws are being put in a place that's up to us, to maybe, you know, instead of standing all day on a Saturday protesting with signs, maybe take that protest inside to our elected officials and spend

48:09your time, energy and talents trying to change those immigration laws. That would be what I, what I think they should be doing as opposed to what they're doing now. You know, I think that's with everything. I just had this week a guy go and railing on and he's a good guy, he's a good conservative guy railing about a situation in our area. And he's criticizing his state representative who, we know very well, Stephanie, she's one of the best people we know of a public official. So I, and he commented on something I had posted and I reached out to her. I said, how should I respond to this? She goes, he has never contacted me one on one. She goes, tell him to call me one on one. He's creating this whole bruhaha and he's never talked to me. And so I put that in and guess what he responded. You're right. I will contact her today. So you know, he is printing signs, he's organizing things, he's doing all this stuff.

49:11They agree on 99% of things, but he has never gone one on one to his public official to express his concern about this issue. So how can you stand there organizing protests and criticizing somebody and trying to get them thrown out of office when you haven't even attempted to talk to them and tell them about your concern. So go to your public officials and I agree a lot of our screaming and yelling would be better served by directed conversations with people that actually and level headed that could make change. You know, I, sorry, I'm just going to go down this whole that people may not want to go down, but that's actually like just a biblical principle of whenever you have an issue with someone, you go to that person first and then you kind of expand from there. And I think that's a really good policy. If you have an issue, please go to your legislator, let them know because they don't know unless you're contacting them. And I think that's important for people to realize they are representing us and they need to hear from us. So they know how to, you know, what direction they're going to move in based on their constituency.

50:15And if they're not hearing from us, that's a problem. Yeah. So right there is I think a solution for everyone who's listening, taking your time directly to the elected official who is representative of your district. The other thing I just want to add in here, we have a few minutes left. I think that sometimes what we're seeing is this fueling of hatred between the left and the right. And I think it's by design, we all know that there are paid protesters out there. People whose job is to go from city to city and hold the signs and stir the pot. But you know, this is I think another point where we need to figure out how to stop that because that having that hatred between the left and right and not being able to work together is a problem for our country. Yeah, I think it's completely intentional. 100% intentional. They're creating a vision. If you listen to both sides, you'll notice they have the exact same words, exact same

51:17arguments. They're literally is there's no difference between them. They're just applying it to the other party. That's to me, that's clearly propaganda. And we need to get back to one-on-one conversations with people that are real. And we cannot make assumptions that we know something, which is what we saw on CNN or Fox News. We need critical thinking. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I did that. I just had to ring myself in. I was at a thing and they were talking about some group that was there and I said, oh, that guy's a garbage human being, which I may think that in my head, but I said it out loud. You know, and everyone was kind of laughing. And when I got home, I thought about it and I thought I shouldn't have said that. I mean, so I sent the person a text and said, I'm sorry, I said that. I shouldn't have said it. You know, the person has not been a good person to people I know. So I said that and but that was inappropriate. You know, so we all messed up. I didn't on the same show. I called somebody a twit. I mean, I did it.

52:18I did the whole thing. But we're all going to mess up. But I think that is when you get when you're out, I think my favorite word is perspective. A lot of people react. I meet and see a ton of people in my day. So I have different perspectives on things with people I know personally. And I think a lot of times people just don't have a perspective. So they react as opposed to from their tiny little view as opposed to the larger view. And you know, we all need to kind of get out there and increase our perspective and make those personal one on one in person relationships, not be deceived by AI and clickbait. Okay. Let's end this then now with a question about using cash or your perspective on using cash. Something that you try to keep using. You do use. You don't use where you ladies add on that. I use it as much as possible. I am not okay going completely digital because they can track you at anything.

53:19If I want to give a 10 year old lemonade, either a lemonade stand, I don't want the government to go and tax that 10 year old. And yet we have seen it to where they go after these 10 year olds for having a lemonade stand without having to permit. It's ridiculous. Let the kids have those lemonade stands. You know, I just do not believe, you know, we are at a level of taxation that is corrupt. Absolutely corrupt. We are getting taxed way more. And I don't know why people aren't standing up and trying to change this quite frankly. So I'm all about cash at every single moment. Use cash when you can. If some place does not take cash, I either walk away or if I can't get out of the situation, I do not go back. I'm not dealing with those places. Good. How about you, Kathy? I use cash as well. But also I look at this and again, I have a position on a board that I see this coming and the reason for it is going to be because of crime because financial institutions and so forth. And I have a front row seat to this that I won't get into.

54:19But they repel millions and millions of hacking things. You see that every day about companies, their systems are vulnerable and they come in and wipe out. Unfortunately, that's going to be the reason that they create these IDs. I mean, the board meeting I sat a couple of years ago, they said, you know, it's inevitable. It's just going to, the ID is going to have to be your body because we can't, you know, and I looked at a guy across from me. I said, I feel like I've read about this before in the book of Revelation. So while I do what I can to be against it, on the other hand, it's like data centers, I use it. You know, I just ordered something on a line yesterday and used my credit card because that's how I have to do it. And I wanted to get that. I wanted a bathing suit for a trip. I can't forget one in a store anywhere. So I had to order it online. So I do it. I can, but I think it's going to happen. And unfortunately, that's where we're headed and that's going to be the reason security, which is the reason for so many other things. And yet cash is more secure than cash is more secure than credit cards.

55:25And one last example we'll hop off here is, you know, is that I was at a restaurant. I paid with a card about 45 minutes later that card was used for someone else's dinner. And then I had to take about an hour to get everything corrected between the restaurant, the credit card company, and to get over $200 back for this lavish dinner that these people had that was put on my card. How do you use cash? Would have been impossible. I disagree with you with the moment on that a bit, Stephanie, if you have all cash in your house and your house burns down, it's not safe. It's called a safe. That's fireproof. Yeah, but if that were the case, none of us would have retirement accounts and investment accounts. We would just have giant piles of cash in our house. Well, you actually don't own your investment account, which is a podcast we should have later on. Right. Well, we're going to on that note and the show on that we will do a podcast. We're fighting. Deb, you made us fight. I see. I, well, you know, we're all about open perspectives here on unleashed. We like to literally unleash everyone. So I hope you enjoyed today's show.

56:26Once again, it was Dr. Stephanie Cox and Kathy Anderson Martin, co-host of the show, TORRAL, which can be heard here on America out loud, Saturdays and Sundays at 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. I want to thank you ladies for joining me. And until next time, everyone, please be good to your neighbor. Reach out, lend a hand, and most importantly, God bless America.