Spilling The Tea, Transcription Apps & Who Really Did Steal Those KitKats?

0:00Hey guys, welcome along to another episode of Double Tap. I'm in my new look studio, and Sean's in a mess. This is Double Tap, we're blind people talk tap. Here's Steven Scott and Sean Breeze. Hey Sean Breeze. How are you today, my friend? Are you alright in your mess over there? Well, that's bullying. Step one, Steve. Really? That's fanked. I think that's your first verbal warning there. Please don't believe me. Secondly, I'm damp. I'm not in a mess. I'm simply moist, Steven Scott. You tried to explain your moist situation to us? No, not really, but since you just started the show, we're bringing this up. I just knocked over my morning cup of brew. That's all my tea. No hang on, we need to get more detail than this, because I hold you, and I said, here how are you? And you said, what's wrong? Because that's what you always do. You always think something's wrong. Yes. And then he said, well, look, I'm just checking in, checking, you know, you're okay.

1:00I'm awake. I'm a little bit behind this morning, we're going to get together, but I'm just going to go and get a shower. And you said, well, I'm just about to get into the shower too. And then you said, you can't say what I said now. Well, all I heard was something on the lines of, and then at that point, I learned that a cup of tea had spilled. Yeah, technically it was your fault, because you distracted me, and I did the old word, you know, just swiping my hand across the worktop and just a little bit to, what's the word, vigorous? Oh, and I tipped the tea. And you know what, it just tipped over the worktop. That's fine. Kitchen roll, mop, mop, fine, but it actually poured all over me as well. So yeah, great start to the day, a blind start to the day. Hang on though, hang on, I'm confused because you said, I'm just going to buy what you said. Do you love this? Don't you? I've been watching a lot of true crime over the week. I noticed. So you know, I'm picking up, I'm something to become a clues.

2:01And we're going to get to another crime in a minute, which you'll be rather interested to hear about. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get to that. But I want to talk about this tea because you said that you were in the shower. No, I didn't. First question is, why are you taking tea into the shower? Well, as an older gentleman, Steven Scott, there's a variety of tablets I need to take in the morning. So I take them with my morning tea, so I was taking the shower. I was taking it upstairs. I'd spoke to you in the kitchen. I said, I was going to the shower. I see. I thought you were in the shower as I spoke. Well, not in the shower, but you were in the cheese. Why? Why didn't I know where you were? Was it the man with a cup of tea in the shower? Well, that's enough of that. I want to know where you were, sir, when a certain crime that's been brought to my attention a few times now, as well on social media, people have tagged me into reporting a crime and saying, do you know where Steven Scott was? At the time of the incident. Yeah, so look, just to give you some context here, so we had a great conversation with Adi

3:05Kushner last week, which we heard yesterday, and that show was pre-recorded and aired yesterday. So we didn't get a chance to respond to this accusation, these allegations that have been put out there against me. You know, even people at AMI, even at the channel itself, they have been in touch. To see how I saw this news story, and I thought of you, where are you at this time? So this story is about, Nestle, the makers of Kit Katz, my favourite chocolate bar. Oh. Yeah, Kit Katz, candy bars, apparently 413,793 to be exact, they've gone missing, they've been stolen. Yeah. And this was on route from Italy to Poland, which sounds like something out of my, used to be my Euro truck simulator game back in the day, sounds like something I would probably do delivering Kit Katz from Italy to Poland. I'm doing a lot of traveling lately, Steven Scott, I'm trying to think, I wasn't anywhere

4:08near Poland, was I? I'm not very good at geography, I was in Vienna, then I was in Budapest. You were in Europe. That's close to Europe. Is that close enough? Yes. Absolutely. Well, the company have said in a statement on Friday that the vehicle and its load is still nowhere to be found. This shipment was due to be transported across Europe, of course. And what they're saying is that the missing candy bars could now enter unofficial sales channels across European markets, but if this does happen, all products can be traced using the unique batch code assigned to the individual bars, you better get relabling straight away, Steven Scott. Yeah, I bought a label, I've had a label maker right here somewhere, I think I can fix this problem. Is that really a big market for, you know, stolen down the pub selling you, do you want a cheap candy bar? What's up with you? Why wasn't the pub selling things? That's where things happen. It's the social hub, the pub. I had nothing to do with it, Governor, it was nothing to do with me.

5:08Now this is actually quite annoyed by this, because this is going to push, you know what this is? I know what this is. This is a scam. This is a whole thing is a scam. It's also perpetrated against me, which is why I'm making it out to be a scam. This is a scam, because what's happening is they're trying to up the jack up the price of KitKats, you know, this is what happened with the PlayStation 5 came out. Oh yeah, the tanker chip that's coming over from China, let's just say, Sank. And so all that's it, the price goes up now, demand goes up, is that what's going to happen with the KitKats? Well, rather surprisingly, you have took us on to a new story of tech that the PS5 has gone up. Yes, by 90 US dollars, it's gone up again after going up not too long ago, it went up. And of course, Sony are citing the rise in price of components. So yes, the PS5 has gone up. Well done, Steven Scott, a nugget of tech news. I lost your cry. I lost it entirely in appropriate and unexpected. I will say though, the KitKats people have said, whilst we appreciate the criminals exceptional

6:11taste. The fact room is a fact, this is actually a statement from KitKat, while we appreciate the criminals exceptional taste. The fact remains that cargo theft is an escalating issue for businesses of all sizes. So there you go. Something to be aware of. So increasingly criminal trend, but I will say I had nothing to do with it. The KitKats, I am with you on this, I'm with the KitKat people. This is a disgrace and that these criminals must be brought to justice. And what they should be, what should happen is they should be forced to eat Milky Ways or something. Should be forced to eat something else. You know, find a chocolate bar they don't like and be forced to fed them. This is very UK specific, Steven Scott. It's not KitKats, are you kidding me? I have fun. I have KitKats are. Yes. Milky Ways? Milky Ways are everywhere. What are you talking about? I will say Milky Ways in America are very different to Milky Ways. Yeah, they're called Mars bars in America. That's right. Yeah, and Mars bars I think are called Milky Ways. It's all very bizarre. Anyway, that's your candy news here. You're on double tap. You're welcome.

7:11You are brought it up. I didn't bring it up. I didn't bring the KitKat. You're all accusing me of going out on some heist, you know, on the high roads. Oceans 11. Yeah. There must be a pun on that. KitKat 11. That could work actually because there's two fingers, right? So, you know, it could be a little 11 there. That could be a quick move. Take a quick break. Carry on. If this was Saturday night live, they'd do a skit on this. Yeah. Sadly, it's not. But it's not. No. Okay. But it is double tap. Hello. Any other news? I have. Yeah. Not to mind that. I did some work at the weekend. So I've been rejigging my studio around. Oh, yeah. Okay. So it's an all new look. Well, describe it, Stephen. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. I want to feel included. Well, I'm going to include you. I'm going to tell you information about this. So basically, here I am in exactly the same place as I always am, but the cameras moved a bit. So you see a little bit different behind me. You see my little... What have I got behind me here? We've got my drawers where I have all my stuff.

8:14Okay. Oh, your tech. Yes. The tech drawers bursting with tech. You know, I did a clear out. And... Oh, I'll be up in 10 minutes. I did say to you, get a suitcase and come up here immediately because I think you need to quite like it up here. There's mostly cables, there's a amount of cables. Oh, I know. And I actually did manage to sort of get most of them sorted it, but what is the correct procedure here, Sean Priest? What do I do with these cables? Because, you know, here I have like 10 HDMI cables. Yes. And I think, what am I going to do with these cables? What do they support? What do they support? They support them up as one HDMI. And then... Yes, you do. And then do I back them all individually? No. But then what about, you know, USB cables? Do I... Do I section them as USB micro USB in one bag and then USB C to USB C in another? What's the process? What's the right approach? Just bang them all in a drawer and let them all tangle together. And then when you're looking for one, just buy one from wherever online store. Excellent.

9:14I've done that already there. That's perfect. No, of course. I separate mine into USB C, USB micro, or I don't bother with length or anything. I think that's taking it too far. So, yeah, no, no type, type not length. It goes further than that though, because I've now got USB C cables that support something like 100 watt power delivery. The laptop charging and I've got some that came free with a cheap whatever that obviously won't. And if I try and pump 100 watts through them, they're probably just melt. So, and when it comes to HDMI cables, well, what HDMI protocol do they support 2.1, 2? Does it support 4K? It's 60 hertz? I have no idea. I don't know if there's a way to identify them. It's a... It's absolute nightmare. And it does turn out to be if I'm looking for... Okay, so I want a cable to charge my laptop or whatever it may be. I do end up just buying another one and making sure it does say supports 60 watts or 100 watts power.

10:14Just to make sure. So, I don't know. But it seems like such a waste. I know. Well, it is a waste. And you're absolutely right about USB C cables, because I cannot work at a way to identify which is which. I do the thing where I go by the thickness of the cable, and I don't know if I'm doing anything. I don't know if that has any impact at all. I mean, if it's like a really thin cable, I tend to think, well, that must be power. But then sometimes it's not. Sometimes it can be data as well. Or, you know, I think, oh, well, the thicker it is, maybe that means it's more powerful and better. And then, you know, do you plug it in? Nothing happens. You think, well, okay, that didn't mean anything. I don't know. I don't know what the... That's why I end up identifying them as. It's just testing each one. But I'm checking for, you know, what speed can I get out of this? Plug it into a hard drive, do a far transfer and see, okay? That's slow. But it's, yeah, it's not easy. I'm wondering if there is some sort of identifier that should be there as part of the standard. Honestly, I don't know what it is. I want to tell you about my background here. So I've got behind me. I've got some new lighting in place.

11:15I like my smart lighting. I'm getting into this smart lighting. Although I will say, the one I've bought I thought was from Govy, G-O-V-E, which is okay when it comes to accessibility, you know, you can turn it on and off. Basically, if you can get it linked to a lady A skill or a Google home or even home kit, then you're fine. But it's all the sort of individual settings of these things tends to be a little bit tricky to do. But it turned out it wasn't a Govy. It was a company called LePro. And I have to say... LePro? Well, when you're Googling around to say, you know, LePro, it kept coming up with LeProsy. And I'm thinking... I'm looking for... It gave me all this information of LeProsy. And I think it was more confused as to why I was asking to connect that to Lady A. But... Conspiracy theory. It's strange. Yeah, that's right. Some weird conspiracy theory going around. I'm like, no, I just want to connect my light. So this is an orb type light. It's not... I thought it'd be like a ball because it's called the planet.

12:17Oh! Melon shaped. Okay. It's not melon... No, we'll start this again. It's a ball. But what happens is it comes flat, right? And it has three rings. If you imagine there's a pole going down the middle, so there's three rings. And then those rings kind of pull out. And that creates the ball. So it creates this little... It's like a material. Like a real thin material. No, it's not material. No, it's plastic. But... It's a plastic rings. Three plastic rings inside each other. Oh, I see. And you just fold them out, essentially, to create the ball shape. But it's got the LED strips, obviously, built into that. And it's really nice. It's behind me. I don't know at all if it is color changing, but I know it's on. As much I do know. But what I can't tell you is whether it's changing. Because apparently it changes color. The light moves around, you see. Which I thought, that's going to be a nightmare for editing. No, yeah. That's right. Well done for...

13:17What's it? Continuity. Continuity. Continuity. Continuity. That's absolutely... Continuity. There we are. To move things around, I'm confused. A nice visual dressing there for our show. And also behind me, and also behind me, I've got my AMI mug. My proud AMI mug, which I stole from the channel when I was there in 2019. Along with the AMI bottle, I hope the logo is the same. That's all I can say. I'm sure the marketing team will be in touch with me very shortly. Tell me if the wrong logo on it are something I don't know. And then I have my Philips Hue lights on there. I have to say these Philips Hue lights. There's one that you... There's a lamp that I bought. They don't sell it anymore. It's a small lamp. And it was like a hundred pounds I paid for it. And I thought, okay, this must be really smart. It must be something really cool about it. It turned out when I got it, it was just a lamp with a smart bulb. There was nothing really smart about the lamp.

14:18It was just a smart bulb in a lamp. I could have bought any lamp for ten pounds and put a smart bulb in it. But I didn't know it was the Philips one. How are you finding Philips? You say you get a bit of a love-hate relationship with the end user. I mean, they've done some... Well, I would call some slightly dodgy using the technical term, in my opinion, decisions when it comes to the hub that they suddenly discontinued and you had to use the latest version. No, no, no. You don't have to stop using it. I'm still using the original hub I bought, which I guess is the bridge. I don't think it was the first version. I think it was the second one. The second. But there's a newer one, I think, is the Hue Bridge Pro that's come out. And if you buy that, it enables extra features of your existing lights. I don't like that. Stephen Scott, I don't like that. What's the reasoning behind that? Because what they want to do, I believe, is make money. So they make money by selling you things. On the flip side of that, Stephen, is the...

15:20What do you think they're doing it for? Just because they felt like it. Yes, I'm saying, what is the explanation as to why those extra features couldn't be used in the second-gen hub? Because then you wouldn't buy the... Yes, yes. I know from a business profit. That's the only reason I could think of. On the flip, I guarantee you in a year's time, or probably say, all these features are also available now in your old hubs. Yeah, well, that's not good enough. On the flip side of that, people swear by the reliability of the Philips Hue system. Oh, I do too. I mean, I will say as well that the bulbs themselves last a very long time. And I also think for anyone with low vision who suffer... If you've got something like the Stagmas, and you know, I know you're not supposed to suffer anymore because that's wrong. You're not supposed to suffer. Bad Stephen. But the thing is, I do... I think the Stagmas is a pain in the backside, to be perfectly honest, in particular when it comes to lighting. Because if you buy cheap LED light bulbs, as I found to my cost,

16:22you buy those, you get a real flicker that comes from them. Now, a lot of people who don't have the Stagmas will not see it. I remember exactly the same thing happened to me when I first saw a plasma television back in the day. Oh, yeah, that used to be a thing. Yeah, I used to look at it. I was like, I don't know how anybody can look at this. It was just like an endless moving image. It was like the image was shifting left and right all the time. And I thought, I don't know how anyone could buy this. And everyone said, wow, the picture's amazing. And I'm like, that's awful. That is dreadful. So, yeah, basically, I couldn't touch that. But when it comes to the LED lights, you have to be careful. There is like a refresh rate to put it in sort of easier to understand. That you, some people do pick up the flicker. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, picked up on that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, like I said, the Phillips U lights much better for that kind of thing. So, you know, you're getting good bulbs. They do last a long time. I mean, I don't know when I put these in to the house.

17:23Could be seven or eight years ago now. And I feel like, I mean, it was a lot of money at the time. It really was a lot of money at the time. At least. Well, it is, yeah, but again, you think, well, okay, over the course of maybe 10 years, I'm going to get you certain of these. I think it pays for itself. I think it does. I mean, you're not constantly replacing them. Oh, yeah. And especially the cost of energy now. I mean, gone of the days where everything was 100 watt, you know, traditional bulbs in my house because they cost a lot of money to run. And, you know, the, what's the equivalent of 100 watt now in the LED 10 watt? 10 watt. Even as much as that. Like, four watts. I mean, it's not a huge amount. I mean, it's, it does depend on the make as well. There is a bit of a difference in how much brightness, even though how they're rated energy wise that matter brightness, they chuck out can differ cheaper LED bulbs or however you want to refer to them. I mean, we've still got halogen lights in our bathroom. And, you know, one thing you notice is the heat. That's the thing you notice right away because, you know, it's like when you have back in the old days, you would, you know, try and get, you know, a bulb would blow and you'd have to wait for

18:2510 minutes, 20 minutes before it's cooled down. Burn your hand. Well, that's right. Or, you know, you'd get a towel or something you'd try and do it. Like, I'd just do it and it'd burn your hand in the process. Nowadays, of course, these lights do not get warm at all because they're putting out so little energy. So, you know, that's another thing to consider. But I just, as I say, I think these are really, really nice bulbs and the app is good. You don't need, if you have already got the Philips Hue setup. Yes, there are some benefits to getting the Hue Bridge Pro. This New Hub, they probably wasn't last year. They announced that. I think it was a CES, wasn't it? It seems longer ago, but maybe. Maybe it was a year before, but I remember it coming out and I remember thinking maybe I should upgrade. But I guess my thinking is, especially with something like this, which is in your house, which is in position. It's out of the way. You don't really see it every day. You're not near it every day. So, you don't, you kind of forget about it. And while everything works, I just think, leave it. You know, it's working fine. It's doing the job for me. It's already been nice to get.

19:25Yeah, I mean, look, I have motion sensors in the house for the light stone stairs and upstairs. So, I don't really have to worry about those becoming a problem. You know, or I mean, I think if the batteries died in the motion sensor, they're not going to, right? Oh, there's a ripped out. Let's get to the new hub. But no, I like Philips Hue. What do you, what do you use it at home? Do you use anything else? No, nothing. I've bought a few of the, when they're on sale, the cheapest possible ones I could find light bulbs just to try, mate, because of course, we all want to turn our living room's red or green or blue. No, we don't. Or at least the first five minutes you get them. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's nothing. Isn't this cool? Look, it's all pink. Yeah, put it back to whatever it was. I've never touched it again. But my family constantly turn it off with the light switch. Every time I try and do it, it just says, sorry, not responding because someone's switched off the light switch. So until I totally revamped the house and remove all light switches from my terrible, terrible family who refused to be dragged into the new smart home world,

20:29I don't really use them. But on that point, this new, not govy, this new Philips sphere or orb or melon that you just want. Well, this one's lepro. Lepro, sorry, lepro. Lepro. Is it matter compatible? I have no idea. It just works. So on. Well, you don't see this is important, especially for us, right? Because it seems like matter should be everywhere by now. We've been talking about it for years and it never really sort of made the impact I think it should have done. And the reason is you mentioned the govy there and it's kind of accessible to the app. And I've got so many, especially by the cheaper, sorry, more affordable brands when it comes to smart devices. There's so many different apps out there, right? Magic home to V and whatever else. And you think, yeah, I can kind of work out what this button is meant to do, but it's not a great accessible experience. With matter, you could use anything to control that device in theory, right?

21:29I could use the home app or home kit. Yeah. And I would expect that I don't have it. I don't use it. So I don't know, but I would expect that to be much better when it comes to accessibility. So that's the pro point for me. So anything I'm going to buy now, I'm going to make sure it says it's matter compatible. Okay. All right. I mean, I have the only thing I would say is on the box, it says it's compatible with 3D and Google, but that's it. It doesn't mention that. Yeah. So that's kind of points that it's not. Yeah. Again, who knows how all these things are, right? Some of these could have been out for a very long time. It was heavily discounted. I mean, also I'm not massively concerned about the quality of the light. It's not going in my living room. It's not something that's just a decoration. It's to decorate. It's to decorate. It's a decoration for you, dear viewer on YouTube. For a listener's online or on the podcast on any of my audio. I don't know if there's any value here at all. Yeah. Can I just say, there's none. I can absolutely guarantee you in audio, there's no value.

22:30I just spent five minutes having an argument with that. Well, I won't mention what one it is because it's a beta test that I'm doing. But with an AI, asking it to read what was on my computer screen, because it was updating. Windows was updating and it was taking a while. So I'm holding my phone out. Please read what's on my screen. I cannot see any screen in front of you. What is there right in front of me? Five minutes I was arguing with that thing. And then remembered, oh, yeah, I don't have a screen. Yeah. Sorry, Sean. I hate to remind you of that, but you do have a screen in that shed. No, I forgot, I got rid of the screen completely, but just goes to show AI doesn't always hallucinate. And it's better than me anyway. Sean says it's great. I apologize. Let's not be doing a lot of meetings over the past couple of days. And one thing that's been annoying me a little bit is that I kind of, you know, there's so many tools it seems out there to enable you to get

23:32AI transcripts and summaries of your meetings. And I've been thinking to myself, okay, I really want to find a way of doing this. And what's irritating me is I feel that all the options that are out there involve sending the transcript off to the cloud to an AI to get it to process it. Do the summarization send that back? Now, I'm not against the online side of it, but I just think, isn't that a way to do this on device? I've got an iPhone. It's supposedly got intelligence built into it that allows it to do these things. It must be possible, but it does seem challenging. For some reason, it seems challenging to be able to find the tools to do it. I think about my Apple Watch, for example, you know, I have there, you know, I've got the Apple Watch Ultra, which has got the action button on it. I can tap on that button. I can set that button up actually to be an action button to start recording on voice memos, which is brilliant. So I immediately have got a recorder right on my wrist. I don't have to have another device. And again, I'm thinking, isn't it a way I can take that recording and do something with it?

24:34No, of course, again, I can feed it into chat GPT. I can get the transcript. Yeah, that's fine. But I kind of want to all, I just want to automate it. And I feel it should be easier to do. And I'm surprised Apple haven't done this. Now, I have read that if you use an Android phone, there are options for this that I think Samsung have got options for this. I think Google have built features as well. I think they're more ahead of the game on this. But despite the power of the iPhone and all this technology that's inside it, it's not able to just simply do this. And I was looking at other options. The most notable one being Plod, PLA UD. They have the Plod Note Pro or the Plod Note or the Plod AI pin, which is a little thing you wear around your neck. And you just have a little button on it. And you can tap that and then that will start recording when you stop recording. It does all that transcription on the app. And it brings it up to you and surfaces it in the app. You can of course do the same with the Plod Note, which is kind of interesting because what you do is you can actually slip it

25:35until it'll MagSafe wallet. And you can put it on and snap it onto the back of your phone. It will record calls. It will record meetings. Not necessarily via speakerphone. You can just be on a call. Hold the phone to your ear and it will record everything. And then it will take that, transcribe it, and summarize it for you. So again, and you can just turn it on and off with the button. Just simple one press. But I think there are some accessibility issues with it. I've read online. There's been a few issues. And there's a few. I don't know how show-stopping they are. And because I hear the word accessibility issues and we're talking about third party apps, I think. I want to lay my money down on this. You know, we're talking about 160 pounds here in the UK. 170 pounds to buy this thing. Whether it's the pin or whether it's the note. And I thought, again, there must be a way to do this on device. I'm waiting for the big reveal here. Well, this is what I've been kind of holding on because two things have come up. Now, if you use Google Meet, this is a bit of an aside. But if you use Google Meet, Gemini is now built into Google Meet.

26:37Now, Google Meet for me and you, I think, is a great meeting platform. It's very accessible. Very. You can know when you're setting up a meeting. You can ask Gemini as a tick box, basically, which says you can ask Gemini to take notes and summarize for you. And what will happen is, once the meeting is done, at Google Doc will be shared to you, which will have all the information in it, summarized. So that's a really cool way to do if you use a platform like Google Meet. Now, Zoom and others do have similar. But the only thing I would say is, what you end up with with those is another participant joining the room who happens to be an AI chatbot. And these are not being well received out there. In fact, there's a bit of a growing campaign against them at the moment. It seems by a lot of people who just feel like, you know, people are turning up to meetings. They're not really paying attention. They're just letting the AI chatbot do it. And it also just feels a little bit weird just having this thing in the room, which is just recording. Oh, so it's better to hide it?

27:38As long as they don't know it's happening. They're happy. This is what I quite like about the Gemini and Google Meet implementation. It's not showing up as a participant, but all the people involved are aware of and will get the transcripts and summaries themselves from the meeting. Now, that's actually really handy as well because you don't get that I think with Zoom. I think right now it will just be, it will send me all the information. So if you and I had a conversation and we wanted to, and how many times do we do this? And this is why I want it because you and I have conversations about a million things we want to do. And then we come off and we forget half of it, if not all of it. It's true. And I just want a way of being able to capture this information and, you know, be able to go back to it, but also for both of us to be able to do that. And the Google Doc approach, you know, you just get a shared document. We can work on it. We can action items. I really like that. But doesn't solve the immediate problem because that only works with Google Meet. What about the phone? Can I do this on the phone? Well, you might know, you've heard me talk about Michael Doey's and Taylor Arms.

28:38They've been working on apps for a while. One called perspective intelligence. Now, that's the new name of, I believe, perspective intelligence. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it had another name before that, but perspective intelligence is their new app they've built, which kind of harnesses a lot of the AI inside Apple itself using Apple's foundational models. And what they're doing is they're sort of making sure that all the information that you're working with stays on device. Nothing goes to the cloud. It all remains private to you. So ideal, right? But they've just launched a new app which has just arrived in the store today called perspective transcribe. And it is exactly what we're looking for. You record in the app. Once you do app stops recording, it creates a summary and a transcript. And you can even search the notes as well. And the benefit for us is we know this is going to be completely accessible because it's built by blind people, for blind people. So if you're looking for a solution, you want to ditch the flawed note because you're having issues with it.

29:39Or you're considering buying one of these things, but you're just a bit unsure of either the accessibility or the privacy concerns you might have. Or, by the way, and this is the important bit when it comes to flawed, the subscription you've got to pay to get access to all these additional features. Yes. You know, that can be a challenge. And doing me wrong, perspective transcribe does also have an access, they call it the all access feature, which gives you some more functionality. But what you're really paying for, even though you're using everything on device, you're really paying to support the developers. And the cost, I would say, and I haven't seen it yet, but I think it's around about $6 a month, but don't quote me on that. But it's around that price. You know, I'm willing to pay that because I'm going to get what I want. And also I'm getting the privacy side of it as well. So I really like what they've done here, well done to Taylor, well done to Michael for creating this. Go check it out, test it out for yourself. You don't have to subscribe to test it. So go do it. It'll work without the subscription. You can go and test out. You get some additional functionality and features.

30:39For example, I think one of the features is you can add and import your own audio files via the app. If you have the subscription and a couple of other features that are kind of behind the paywall, that's entirely up to you. But I think it's just good to know about these things because these are not going to be widely advertised unlike the others. So perspective, transcribe on the app store, only available for iPhones, sorry Android people. But you know, that's that it is built based on Apple foundational models. So, you know, Google do have them. So that's how it works. I just thought I'd mention it because I think it's like a really good app and it sounds like the solution that I've been looking for. Well, that's exactly the point I was going to make. You've been looking for something to do. Like you say, all the bits are there. It's just trying to knit them together for your workflow. That sounds good. It just seems like windows doing something on windows to this seems more tricky than on Mac, at least on the home computers rather than the smartphones. But I don't know.

31:40It's that on device factor that you really want. It is. Look, I don't know about this particular app. It's just launched on the iPhone. But one thing I know these guys are doing is they're trying to build them onto the Mac as well. Because ultimately with the Mac, you know, the way that these apps are built and the way that Michael and Taylor have built the apps is using the ability and don't get me. The AI framework. Yeah, I don't know how it works. But essentially you can build the app and it's available across multiple devices, including the Mac. So you'd be able to do the same thing in a Mac. And that opens up, you know, all the different options that you have. Because look, the amount of times I join a meeting on Zoom or someone else or someone else and I just want to be able to summarize. For me, it's really important because you do these meetings and you just, you forget things. You just do and trying to take notes. I've done it. Trying to take notes as you go along. It's a nightmare. And I think also there are people who would value the ability to do some of this for their work. But not necessarily be allowed to use these services.

32:41I mean, you wouldn't write, you couldn't perhaps and a workplace use plod because the company would want to know, well, hang on, where's the data going? Yeah, cloud services. You can't use it. If it stays on device, it stays private. And that's, that is really what Apple's got. I just want to say as well and we'll get into some more detail as the weeks go on because we're heading up to WWDC, of course. But a lot of people started to comment on Apple's approach to AI at the moment, which is to really just open up to other providers. We heard, of course, of a Gemini is going to be part of the whole AI capability. So, you know, if city can't help you or Apple intelligence can't help you, it would pass it off to the moment chat GPT, but also then Gemini. There's a story going around that they're going to open this up even further to other AI's as well. And I'm starting to wonder, is this Apple's game all along? Is this the plan? Actually, you know, either that they've decided internally, they're not going to say this, but they've maybe given up on the idea of building their own LLM because they know that in order to build it,

33:41they'd have to go against their own privacy policies. So instead, let's open this up, let other people play, let you decide what you want to use. This could possibly turn it to be the smartest decision they've ever made if that was the plan. How fickle you are, Steven Scott, you were raging about Apple's AI moves. I still am. Well, I'm raging against Apple intelligence because what we were promised never got delivered. Yeah, but I'm wondering, is this a smart move now to move away from the idea of, okay, let's just, Apple's never going to come out and say, we're giving up on Apple intelligence. We're going to, you know, hand you off to Claude or any other one. You know, they're not going to do that. The flip side that I've been reading about is a rumor that they're actually cutting up in this moment, Gemini, into smaller pieces for use on device. So the whole Apple thing is exactly what you just said there, actually, rather than sending data out to the cloud, they want to try and process as much as they can on device. That's the whole privacy key.

34:42I think actually we are going to see much more of a demand for that, especially in the case of all these apps that are becoming available for the meta glasses. If you think, if you could run that on device that has so many benefits, especially cost wise, right? You think of it from that point of view, if you could run the AI from your phone, rather than having to run it through a server off in the cloud, the cost comes right down and we're going to notice that so much more as we're using these options more and more. But yeah, I've heard they're cutting up the Gemini model at the minute to very specific tasks and making it small enough to run on device. So it could, yeah, you could be right. And there's no reason why they couldn't do that with other engines. I mean, they don't really care. They just want the technology. Yeah, we shall see. I think, of course, AI does solve, or I should say, on device, solves the issue of AI for a lot of people.

35:42It depends, of course, how good it is. I mean, we saw what happened with Apple Intelligence, right? It was never exactly the greatest in the world. But it's all about that data. And if they can work with other companies to create a better on device experience, because that's the key. On device is one thing. But the experience has got to be good. The information's got to be good. Yeah. We shall see. Did you hear the news, by the way? There's two, apparently. I know we have two new models of Meta Rayban AI glasses on the way. Oh, really? Okay. Which one's light on me? Well, this is according to Bloomberg who've reported this. They say they're going to be catered more towards prescription lenses wearers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're supposed to be getting launched. Well, they say this week, potentially, we shall see. But, I mean, you can already put prescriptions into Meta Rayban glasses. And there is a limitation, right? Yeah, possibly, possibly. But they're saying these new models will come in in rectangular and rounded styles, which I thought they already had, and be sold through traditional prescription eyewear channels.

36:44Now, Bloomberg have not said how these glasses will particularly differ from existing options, but they've noted it's not the first time the Meta and Rayban have released a pair of glasses, specifically designed for this demographic. Now, they are codenamed Scriber and Blazer. This was first spotted by the Verge in filings with the Federal Communications Commission. The filings describe the devices as production units, meaning Meta can be close to the actual product launch. Looking at the findings and the filings itself, according to the Verge, it's unlikely these upcoming prescription AI glasses will have a display like the Meta AI display glasses. So, yeah, that seems to be a thing. Good. I mean, we don't care. We don't on display, yeah. But fine. Yeah, I mean, I don't... There's a lot of people who are going to care about this from the low vision perspective, especially. People who've been holding off and buying these glasses, people who may need them. There's lots of people who are out there who are blind, who are low vision, who would value this.

37:46People have been asking me about getting prescription lenses into the Rayban for the longest time. I don't know. I know there is a limit. Some people have tried and taken them to the ophthalmologist and been told, no, we can't do that because of the shape of the frame and your certain prescription. So maybe it's the rounded shape that may help and open it up. I honestly don't know. That would be pretty cool, actually. That would be very cool if that was a thing. But I don't think we can expect much than we have new features. I mean, we don't know. Right? This could be totally different. I'd be very surprised if this was different. Also, remember, MetaConnect happens in September every year. And that's usually the moment we see the big updates, the big changes, the new technology coming through. So what this might be is a design choice. And obviously, the ability to get prescription on there as well. So I mean, look, great. If there's more choice coming out, I don't know if there'll actually be named any different. I mean, they certainly are.

38:46We know it's coming out from Rayban. That's been clear. It is a Rayban. So it's not going to be the Oakley range. It's not going to be the upcoming supposed Prada range. It's going to be coming out. I want my Pradas. I want my Gucci's. It is the year for AI, though. And especially wearables. I mean, you know, Google were waiting. Hello. Google. Is that coming up? It's very soon. I can't remember the date. That's very soon. Is it today? We missed it. Yeah. That would be hilarious. We do miss a lot. Yeah. We probably don't miss the Google Glass launch. Oh, well, never mind. That's okay. It's looking old ones in the cupboard. Oh, dear. I tell you what I'm looking at now is all those ridiculous charges for the Meta Rayban glasses. I poo pooed, Steven Scott. That I dismissed. How absolutely ridiculous. What is this silly wire that you connect on under the bridge? And then you got to route it all around the glasses. Yeah. And the battery got aware. Yeah. Yeah. I want it. Absolutely. You want it. These third party apps are just draining the battery. And just, okay.

39:46Now I want either glasses with a USB-C port that I can charge as I'm going, like the EchoVisions, or I want, yeah, I'm going to get a third party charger for the Raybans because it's going to need it. Yeah. Well, this is no surprise. Is it? Let's be honest. Well, this is the one challenge with these. And it's the one thing that makes the Aiga EchoVision glasses really stand out is the fact that it has that USB-C port on there. Yeah. Now, obviously, the Aiga EchoVision will have some of the features. I mean, it's got ira. It's got to be my eyes. It's got its own capabilities as well. It's got a lot of the features already, yeah. It does. It's not going to have these apps, though. I mean, although the companies involved that are going to be launching these apps onto the Meta Rayban platform, if you like, they have made it very clear that they will work with anyone. So, you know, they will work with companies like Aiga. So, you know, you may find down the line, they will come available. But yeah, interesting times. I have to say, this is, I think what's most surprising about the upcoming launch of these new apps is the fact that they're pretty much all, not entirely, but mostly all of them

40:54are all focused on blindness and disability. I think that's incredible. I think that's an amazing feature, isn't it? I mean, isn't it incredible that that's, is it because we're so up front with this and we're so ahead of the curve, the people who are creating are so, um, well, is it down to the advocates of the companies, you know, making themselves putting themselves forward to Meta or, I don't know, or is it a terrible oversight of other disabilities that this technology may help Steven Scott? Is it? Wow. Okay. Well, I think it's a good thing. All right. Then I'm saying it. I think it's a good thing. Let's have some time. But I want to get some emails in before we go. Let's get some emails. What? Oh. We get your email every day. Ding dong. Here's your mail today. Oh. Oh, let's get some emails on shall we? Yes. Okay. So let's, let's dive in. Where are we going to start? I think, actually, you know what? We'll start with Heidey, who got back in touch with us.

41:54You might remember Heidey was on talking about paratransit and some issues he was having. He wants to clarify at a sum of her points she felt she may have got some information. Wrong. And she wants to clarify it. So Heidey, over to you. Hello. This is Heidey again. I just wanted to let you know to clarify that the three days in advance is not the paratransit. I kind of messed up because my thoughts go quicker than my mouth does or sometimes the opposite. And that's worse if I speak before I think. But my thoughts were going quickly and my mouth got a confused. The three days in advance are the Medicare and Medicaid trips, which are three. Now, the paratransit, which I use for most things, has gone up to 450 for a ride. That one you have to do, at least you have to let them know 24 hours in advance, which is kind of a pain.

42:55You can't do anything for the moment. You just have to always plan and I'm not the best of planners. However, you know, it's way better than Uber or Lyft, which costs usually a minimum of $9 each way. So it used to be better. It used to be when I first started with paratransit, it was very much less expensive. But I know within play shit and all the other business. It's now 450 per ride. So I do kind of keep it toned down. I use a lot of Instacart. And, or I have my age, go to the store for me to get things so I don't have to take quite so many rides. Also, those steps are a deterrent. But I think I will start using the left more because my knees just protests if I use those steps. Too high, come clear of somebody kneecap. Thank you so much for, you know, having my message on the air.

43:59Just make that correction for me that paratransit is one day ahead, not three days ahead. The three is the Medicare and Medicaid trips I have to make to pharmacies or the bank. Because when we do take paratransit, we at least have to stay there for an hour. And if you're going to grab a little bit of money out of the bank, you don't need an hour. So that's also if you're going to a doctor's appointment, you don't really know how long it's going to take. It's a lot better if you have ability to just come home when you're finished. I will let you go, but I really appreciate this broadcast. I always listen to it. And so does my husband. So thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks, Heidi. Appreciate that. Thanks for the update as well. And good to know that that is the story when it comes to paratransit. We have a couple of emails over the weekend about that. Just clarifying it, but they are heady clarifying it for us right there.

45:00Thank you, the headies. That's the headies. The headies. There you go. We've got the headies. We've got the headies. We've got whole families of people listening. Okay, let's go to Frank. Hi, all. And I agree with you that the availability of talking Daisy Book to be downloadable to a Victor Reader stream was long overdue. I have written to both humanware and the RNIB, and all I get as an answer is we are talking about it. Just how long do we have to wait for them to stop talking and acting? Books are available from the RNIB, home reading via a computer, but not all the books the RNIB have are available from that site. I have suggested to the RNIB that if they amalgamated both the Daisy Library database and the home reading service database into one, it would save money, save having to look after two systems and give us as users more books to choose from. But I might as well be talking to a wall. Now for my own problem. On my iPhone, I have the speaking rate set to 50%. That for me is a little fast. If I try and slow it down, it goes to 40%, that is too slow.

46:03Is there not something in between regards Frank? That's such a good point. I remember when I was starting out with screen readers, that used to drive me mad. You would jump down too slow or too fast. Where's the middle ground here? It's not like on the screen reader on the computer. I thought it was in 5% or increments of 5%. So from 50 down to 45 down to 40. Is that not the case? Not the 4% I don't think. No, I think it's much larger increments than that. And it hasn't played around for a while, maybe it's changed. No, I haven't. Is it different if you do it via the rotor rather than through the speech settings in accessibility? That's a good point. Yeah, maybe different increments levels on those. I think because it is a slider in the settings, accessibility, voiceover, speech, somewhere in there. If you change the speech rate, it's a slider. I think you can set it precisely from what I remember. Still, it's a bit hit and miss because you know, you double tap and hold, slide it until you think it. Yeah, that's a little bit. Let go.

47:03See what it says. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that may be another way if that's not the way you're currently doing. Which it doesn't sound like it is. Okay. And yeah, good point about the R&I be and human, I, I don't know the answer to this one from. They're talking about it. You're talking about it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's just be an issue. And I'd be seven years ago. By paratrox, six years ago, and they're still talking about it. So, you know, they were talking about it then. Maybe, maybe a little campaign is required here on the double tap. We're blind. We're never in a rush. Apparently. I just sit there and wait like good boys and girls. Yeah, I'm fed up waiting. I'd kind of like that to be working. So maybe I'll maybe we'll give someone a call and see if we can move this along a bit, not see them we'll get any results, because probably won't, but we can try. Okay, speaking of books, negative Julian's not happy. Hello guys, I'm going to try not to let this go into a rant but you have upset me again and everybody knows I've got a short fuse. So if it goes the other way, I apologise in advance. Not me, not me.

48:04Secondly, this is a bit UK specific. So if you're in the rest of the world, this would be a good time to go make a cup of tea. Tea mind you, we're not barbarians. Wow. Anyway, last Friday, I was listening to your podcast as part of which you talked about audio books and audible. And you quite rightly saved that. Other audio libraries are available. I did. Like in the UK, you've got the RNIB and Calibre. But then Mr Steven Scott, a man who is self-confessed as only listening to one audio book a year, stuck his ore in and said Calibre's a bit different all its books are narrated by volunteers. Steven, where do you get this garbage from? Which century did you last listen to Calibre?

49:04Yeah. They've actually got a very wide range of books just like everybody else. Many of them straight from the publishers are just gone into the Calibre audio library website. And for instance, they've got the Harry Potter books narrated by Steven Fry. They've got Agatha Raising Books narrated by Penelope Keith. They've got quite a few Agatha Christie books narrated by Hugh Fraser. And if you don't know who Fraser is, if you ever watched the classic British detective series, Quaro, then you probably remember his rather dim but very likable friend, Captain Hastings. That's Captain Hastings played by Hugh Fraser, who better to narrate Agatha Christie books. So they've got all these and many, many, many others beside.

50:06And this matters, it does matter because out there listening to you there are people who are newly blind or whose sight has just deteriorated to the point where they cannot read print books anymore. And they may be thinking of going into audiobooks and perhaps the Calibre audio library. But then they hear you, the man with authority, stating with absolute confidence that, oh, they're all read by volunteers. And then they don't subscribe to that service. And therefore they potentially miss out on years of pleasure from listening to these books. And all because you just casually, without engaging your brain came out with statements like this and it does matter. So it's just an appeal, you know, I would never try to correct you on something like braille

51:08or jaws because I know nothing about them. But please, please don't go making these totally confident statements about things that you clearly know nothing about either. So anyway, bye for now from negative Julian. Okay, thank you, Julian. Okay, good. It's not read by volunteers. There we go. We know we know. Thank you for telling us. I don't know. Well, thank you. Come on. Don't cast it aside quite so dismissively, Stephen Scott. You're going to have all worked up. I don't know why he's worked up. I honestly have no idea. Because he's a fan of Calibre. And that's good. And now we got the information wrong there. It's not all read by volunteer. Did you say I didn't say it confidently? I am an authority on nothing. How dare you? I know I sit here every day telling you, I'm an idiot and you still listen to me as an authority. Are you joking me? No, it's a fair point. You're good.

52:09Everyone is welcome to pick us up if we get something like that wrong. Absolutely. Yeah. But when you got to say it, let's not get upset about it. Okay. It's important. No, it is important. And I understand. Yeah. I've removed years of joy. Of joy. Of joy. Of joy. Of joy. Of joy. Of joy. We've taken away from people's lives. You're quite right. Check out Calibre for yourself. Anything we talk about. Just double check it for yourself. No, but hang on. Wait a minute. Hang on. What was books were read by volunteers at Calibre? They were though. And there's still a large backhand. This isn't fake news. It's not all. As he mentioned, Stephen Fryer's read in the Harry Potter books. Yeah. And also, by the way, I didn't say that was bad. I was just explaining how this... Oh. Well, I didn't say it was bad. If you inferred tone of it, that's on you guys. Because I didn't say anything about it being good or bad. I'm just saying that was the case for a lot of the books that they create, which is true. I think I remember using the R&IBE talking book Echo Skill.

53:13Is that still even available? I honestly don't know. I think so. And one of the books there had someone obviously recorded at home. Yeah. R&IBE talking books. You get to read by volunteers as well for a long time. But it does depend on the age. They are obviously replacing those. But sometimes... I don't know. Sometimes it was quite nice. Well. Yeah. Again. It's like having a friend read it to you. Listen, the part of the reason that's such a wonderful thing, and it's actually important, is because a lot of the books that are read by organizations like Caliber, were never published in audio, were never created by... I'm never going to be created by audible. You know, they aren't going to go off and get them. Which is actually why, and I think this point's maybe missed, is great as audible is. And a lot of people love it, and I understand that. What people need to remember is there's a lot of books out there that are never going to make it into the audible library. They're never going to be professionally recorded. Which is why it's so essential. I mean, I would hate the idea if you'd said to me, if negative Julian comes on to you and says, Oh, they don't use volunteer as a toll anymore.

54:13I think that's really sad. I think that'd be a shame, because we'd lose books. They are in the same building. They are in the same building. They don't need volunteers anymore. Is that true? Well, I don't think so. There's an argument there, and audible are looking into that. But I don't think that's the case for organizations like Caliber. But like I say, look, the point I'm making, and the kind of point I'm, again, being missed in all this is, well, everyone is on about audible. What I'm trying to say is there are other libraries out there where you don't have to spend money to get access to plenty of books. You know, your local library, and there's a few of us who've had in about this as well, but other lending libraries and services that are out there that are free of charge that will enable you to get access to audio books without having to spend money on it. Which is really important to know, right? It's not just about spending money all the time, but we shouldn't have to be constantly doing that. I mean, that was the whole point of setting up the talking books. Service in the first place, right? So people didn't lose out, and didn't have to lose access to books. So, yeah, but look, I take a point.

55:14I mean, if they're now providing other books, I haven't used Caliber in years. If they're now providing other books as well, that's great. But I think at the core of it, the whole point of the service of Caliber was about volunteers. But hey, do you know what we'll do? We're going to get Caliber on this show to explain themselves. Oh, right. They'll have to. But, you know, we'll anyway. That's it from us today. Thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye-bye.