Sneaky Dragon Episode 771

0:00Oh, I'll wake up midway through the podcast. Okay. Fine. Hi everyone and welcome to Sneaky Dragon. My name is David Deidrick. Yes, sorry. I can't talk. I'm an Ottawa. Oh, well, how about if you, I've, I've, I've phoned you. Okay. Let me just get my phone out. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Hey, Dave, what, what time is it? It's a six in the morning here. It's in the morning. Yeah. Oh, it's 1500 hours here and Ottawa. We are military time. What's going on? What, what's, what's new? Did you go back to the PNE? No, no, no, no, no.

1:00That's good because it's closed. Don't go back. Thanks. Close. Good advice. I guess I guess they could have wandered, you know, in a kind of desolate. There's a pond there. You can get fish. Yeah, well, there you can fish your own fish. No, it's wonderful. I know you love fishing. I know you love fish. You're a big fish fan. A big fish fan. Yeah, that band, I'm a huge fan of the count. Really, really. Thanks for calling by. Hey, and boop, boop, boop. That's it. I guess that's the show everyone. Well, we'll catch you next week with another episode of Sneaky Dragon. Boop, boop, boop, boop. Hello. What are you sure? That's it. That's all you want to say. Yeah, I'm expecting some bullshit phone calls. Oh, okay. This is one of the cons and stuff on the phone. I like answering landlines. Well, speaking of which, I was offered a, it's a thing that says, if we paid him a lot of money, they can get us on YouTube. That's fantastic. Yeah. Wow. If I paid him a lot of money, can I walk outside as well? I'm going to have to walk out of the way. How much to kick the ocean?

2:01How much to yell at a bird? Hey, all the things that are freeing life. By the way, I'm in Ottawa because I'm at Ottawa Comic Con this week. And so we're recording this a little bit early. Thanks a lot. But if you're in Ottawa and you want to go to Ottawa Comic Con, I'm there with my wife, Pierre Gare. And she's there with editorial cartoonist, like Aslan, and a dadder and oh boy, it's just exciting. Yeah. It's exciting times. Anyway, but back to your con. So they're going to get us on YouTube. That's what they say. All right. We then monitor. We're missing. Yeah, we can monetize because we're missing so many listeners. All right. We've, what do they always say? You've posted 10 shows in a row. Yeah. What show is this one? 771. 171. Okay, we're supposed to 10 shows in a row. So that's really impressive. They tell me. Did you know? We are. We are wildly coyote. I know we talked about that last week. The idea of like you doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

3:02But like 771 shows in. Yeah, me, meep. That's us, right? We are absolutely rubbing our stomach going. And we're about to keep chasing that road runner. That's right. So, you know, they like to point out that they tell you that, you know, there's over 2 million podcasts. But most of them don't make it past 50 episodes or something like that. And so we're doing pretty good. Sure. We've done 771 episodes. Well, we haven't done 771. We have to get through this. Right. We have to get through this. Yeah, we'll see. I'm not here. I know. I know. That's a crazy part of it. I'm just talking to myself with a impersonator. Yep. I decided not to get Jason to come in or my friend Sean. He likes to talk about movies. That's, I had it impersonator. You should bring in Jason to talk about Sean. I guess we could. I mean, just really never met him or no one's thinking about it. It's on tail. Yeah, yeah. That's that's that's the, that's the, that sounds like a thousandth episode right there. Uh, listen, are they going to be doing the show when we're gone?

4:06We've like turned to space dust. Is it going to be Jason and Sean taking over? Maybe. I mean, I don't know how far they are from space dust if we're getting space dusty. I don't know. We have risky lifestyles. We do. Yeah. So, name some of the risks that we have. I went to Ottawa. You did go to Ottawa. You could fall in a canal. That's our nation's capital. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Uh, that's where all the politicians, all the liars and the stinkers are, you know, and my wife is a political cartoonist. That's true. So maybe there's some politician who's just like, hey, I saw what you said about me. And, you know, I don't think she says very much, very much about cleaning politicians of this sheet. Hmm, uh, tends to be more about the Trumpster fire. Yeah. I mean, once upon a time, there was, there was some stuff. Didn't like some of the people in BC. What's about a time? We'll see. But yeah, you're right. It is more of the global situation. Yeah. You're, you're correct. That's, uh, that's the adder in Aisland's, uh, that's, that's their place. That's their, yeah, their beat. That's their beauty and politics. Yeah. And all it's messy messiness.

5:06It's all the corruption in Canada that I'd like to find, uh, who, uh, when the Supreme Court constantly making weird laws in favor of, oh boy, favor of bullies. I guess I could look this up, but my computer's too slow. Um, when I was a, when I was a young boy, yeah, and I played this little bit of Jesus. I know what's going on. Oh my God. It's like being psychic, but like three seconds psychic, the most annoying type of psych. Um, next, uh, when I used to read the Montreal star because I was a Montreal, um, and I finished with, I finished with the mini page, which was the children's page. Sure. I would go to the tutorial cartoons after I read the comics. I would go to the editorial career. I did. Because they're the hiker, the horrible try to do the wonder word. Um, then I'd go to the editorial. Yeah. And there was a cartoonist who I really liked, the cartoons, but they also hit cats in their editorial cartoons. So I tried to find this many cats as possible. And then I would stick copy, um, the drawings of Ray Lovac and Pierre Trudeau, one of

6:07you, I'm supposed to, but I love finding the cats. And I want to know who the editorial cartoonist is who used to hide cats in their work. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. Check it out. I mean, the thing of nowadays is that where we live, we, we just don't look weird anymore. Like politicians don't look that weird anymore. Like in those days, like, where did the Vec was a individual? He used to draw. He had a real, a 70 year old to draw him. And I could. And Pierre, Elliot Trudeau as well, like, you know, like the neck, the ears, big nose, teeth. Then he got his son, a handsome Pete. Yeah. Well, how fun is that? Oh, ring, macaroni. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you can make a joke about macaroni, like, by drawing him short, because he is very small person. Yeah. Better than like, who cares? Yeah. There's nothing in fun. Yeah. But what's the guy, Pierre, prolifer, Pierre, Pierre, Pierre potato peeler? Pierre potato peeler. Pierre potato peeler. That's right. You know, what's he to look like? He looks like so much so. He looks like my friend Roman, so much so that my friend Roman now plays him in videos.

7:10Okay. Yeah. He does a lot of, have you seen any of the rooms? No, I think so. Yeah. Well, I guess I'll put that up. Put that up. Probably an Instagram. Yeah. Roman, Roman videos. Let's try and remember that that's not I'm not talking about the Empire. Yeah. I think I think you'll like some of them. They're funny. He's a funny fella. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. It used to be oldies days. People looked weird and were easy to draw. Sure. I don't. LBJ. You know, it could. Nixon. Oh, what a blessing. Oh, my gosh. What a joy. I don't know if a face that guy is. You draw a big smile and some squinty eyes. How do you do to your mother, fucker? Oh, my God. Exactly. Right. You're getting into Reagan. Not too bad. Yeah. But like, honestly, the, of like Nixon and Carter. Yeah. Right. I could draw them as a kid. Sure. Yeah. But even like the side characters like Spirou Agnons, the for that, they were, they had a look to them. That was, you know, like, you just don't, you don't get that anymore. Like, some say that's why Kennedy was assassinated was he was too hard to draw. Too hard to draw to. I don't know. Do you think you'd be hard to draw? Yeah. Kind of a sick guy.

8:10Yes, I do. Okay. I challenge you to draw. Well, I have to look at him. I don't know what he looks like. But you say that. Yeah. But you could draw Nixon right now. You could. You could draw Carter right now. Yeah. Maybe so. Yes, sir. You could. Don't tell me you couldn't. Don't consider myself a caricatures. But yeah. I have to be caricatures. You just know the basics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The flaws. Yeah. You know, the nose, you draw the teeth, you draw the hair, the hair, the Margaret Thatcher, and done it. You know, you're out of the damn door. You're right. Boris, what's his name? Yeah. Boris. Boris, you're also not on the show. I know that's what I thought too. It's not right. It's not Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson, you could draw. Or George, Boris Johnson. Maybe. Just draw a little kind of chubby face and then crazy hair. Well, it's even like politicians in the past followed Matt Grending's advice as they had great, they had great silhouette. You know what we're saying all this shit. And yet we got Donald Trump. Mm-hmm. How hard is that to draw? Not very. I mean, Trump is, he's a throwback. He's a good, and I think that's why there's probably like a million people drawing in

9:11it, you know, you know, you're a personations of him. Yeah. Other than the fact that he's an asshole and that's his fun to make fun of. Look, I asked you, give him a shot. I asked you that very simple thing in 2016. I said, just do me a favor, Dave. Yeah. Give him 10 years. Okay. And that's coming up in two weeks. Ten years? So just give him that two weeks. I guess you're right. I mean, two weeks more. And then, then you can judge who amongst us have not had a 10 years where we have tanked economies and then resist and cause wars and done horror things. Yeah, yeah. Try to wriggle like that. Try to threaten friends with invasion. Try to storm the capital. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, try to throw over throw a legal election. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. That's right. You're right. Those are just like bumps in the road. Right. Little mistakes that you make in life that you can kind of look back on. That's what pencils have a racer. And laugh at. You can look back at those and go, what a crazy thing I did when I tried to overthrow the

10:14country. Remember that time that you renamed all the lakes? Yes. That's great. Remember that? Yes. Yeah. That's great. You have no problem. Like you started off, you know, naming like a different, the Gulf changed a Gulf America. And you changed it to the, you went like, you know, I could do a lake as well. It's fine. You just name, just rename water. Like America. Yeah. And you just kind of like, this is the great test of people's personalities. Like they're, they're resolving their determination. How many people will follow me down this particular path? Yeah. So first of all, Google. Definitely. I think like map quest. I'm not sure. A couple of places. I heard map quests did not. Did map quests say no? I think so. Good. Well, there's, Google said yes. And someone else also do. So it was. Yeah. Now the thing about, you know, Lake Ontario that people sometimes don't know is it was named before Ontario the problem. It actually means like beautiful lake. The word Ontario. So it's like Lake beautiful lake.

11:14You know what? He's right. But because of that. Yeah. Now Ontario doesn't make sense. So here's my idea. All right. Change it to America. Good America. We call it we call Ontario good America. Yes. I'll get them. That's good. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Why not? It makes me so. Well, this makes you so sad. As it should. It makes you so sad. Because it's sad stupid time. Do you remember like, you know, stupid time back in the back in the old days back in the early 70s people used to knock America. People used to say America. Nice knockers. That's what we say the people knocking America. Those were nice knockers. But so there was this Canadian journalist. And he recorded like this kind of like a thank you to Americans. Like he recognized all the things that America did around the world that were good things. You know, not just, you know, of course there were terrible things here doing like the Vietnam war and stuff like that.

12:17But it was he was also saying. So some good things. Yeah. He's kind of balancing it out. He's saying yes. But he's saying that a lot of problems. But look at all the things that America does around the world. Sure. All the humanitarian projects. And those movies are pretty good. And you know something rock and roll, pretty great. Jazz if you like it. Also comic books. Yeah. Comic books. American. Sure. But I think he was thinking more in terms of like. No comic books. A moral, like the red cross and things of that. I think it's also Batman. America had, you know, the UN. the UN. I mean, these are things that, that's a project that's an American project, the UN, right? It's in New York. They built the building. Oh, the New York Spider-Man. Thank you. And, you know, when you, no, if you listen to that, that's like an, an, an, an, an, an, to the past. It's like, remember when America was this country that went out into the world and tried to help and try to, you know, do what it's, you know, what was right. Sometimes it made a mistake. Sometimes, you know,

13:20it did great things and, you know, let's just say, by the way, I'm not talking about Americanes, because Americans, there's some great Americans. I'm talking about Americans. Okay. Yeah, that's a different thing. And whatever you like are Americans. It's pretty hip. But, uh, yeah, I'm an, I know, I'm an American by name and by nature. Right. You're proud to be an American. And I'm proud for at least you know, you're free. I'm proud to be an American. Uh, I love that. That guy who sang that song, you know, that's on. I'm proud to be an American. You don't have to, I have no idea. I'm proud to be an American. At least I know why I'm free and something, something, something who gave these rights to me and I'll be, but, but you've not seen this. I don't know. It's like, oh my God. Okay. Hold it. Wait a second. Two give them the rates. Was it a guy? Was it are they God giving rates? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait. We need to, we need to deal with this. Okay. No, we need to do, we need to deal with this. Uh, what is the, who's the freaking singer of this song? It's not kid rock. You know what? Talk, talk, talk, talk amongst myself.

14:23Do you do your talk? Talk amongst myself. What am I, what is my talk? The Greenwood, I think this is nice. The Greenwood. Am I right? Okay. Green. Let me see. You could be. Okay. Look, yeah, American country singer. That's right. Proud to be American. That's his song. Okay. Oh, what the hell is it? Are you just going to get the lyrics for me? Oh, this is killing me here. What's wrong? Oh, I'm just, because it's the biggest song in the world. It's everything. Oh, it's incredibly. I just don't know it at all. Anyway, uh, yeah. Anyway, so he said, do I live under a rock? But, but he wrote, so we wrote this song. Yeah. That like plays now when people are getting, uh, when immigrants are, are becoming citizens, they play a song afterwards. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's great. So anyway, um, but he wrote one. Yeah. For Canada. It's the same song. Oh, nice. He wrote it exactly for Canada. It's also nice. He wrote it twice. Yeah. It's, it's insane. By the way, yeah. If you want to see a really weird episode of a show, I think I do know this song. Of course you do. Of course you know this song. But, but here's the other

15:25thing. Oh, this one, I'm just going to, I'm just going to look this up. Okay. Uh, I got to write this down. Uh, okay. So there's a Wheel of Fortune episode. Okay. And he's a contestant on it. I see the other contestants are Weird Ali Ankabik. Okay. And a combo team. Uh, of Little Richard. Yeah. And James Brown. What? Because when you put Little Richard and James Brown together. Yeah. You almost get someone who can read. Okay. Okay. That's, I mean, it's sad, but it's probably true. It's sad, but it's true. Neither of these people on their own would be getting word one. They grew up very underprivileged. Yes. Yeah. Oh, say sorry. Okay. So the song is called God Bless the USA. God bless the USA. Which is also God bless Canada, which is also other than God bless the Canada. These are, these are good. I think I'm going to write to Lee Greenwood and ask him. What is he thinking? Okay. Dear Lee Greenwood. Yeah. My name is David. I'm writing to you from Canada. I like you. I'm

16:31also an American. And I say God bless the America. Yeah. You absolutely know this song. You absolutely know this song. But then he wrote one for Canada. That's exactly the same song. Oh, right. To me, just goes, do you think we don't have TV? Did you do one for England? You know what? He's tried to do it a couple of times. Okay. But you know, he should write a song for Iran. I think that would break. I think that would make the ceasefire happen. Yeah. There we go. It was called God Bless you Canada. Okay. That Canada. Yeah. And this song has had renewed popularity after the Gulf War began. And renewed popularity. It's popped up many, many times. And you have it out of do. All right. So I'm going to try and find God bless you Canada. Sure. There we go. God bless you Canada. Thank you for sticking your hand. Also sticking your hand in the tar baby of the the Gulf Wars. Okay. Yeah. That's right. Is it a tar baby reference? What are you going to do about it? What's wrong with you? You're going to do about it. Cancel us. Can't. 700 71 episodes. Try it. Try it.

17:37That's our song of the North. Yeah. What? He'll do jokes about that bear. That bear bear. He's in British Columbia. Yeah. He might also be the root beer bear. Yeah. That's the Canadian national anthem. Please rise for the singer. Yeah. Dude. God bless you Canada. But do you are the best one? God loves you. I have no idea what the lyrics are for these silly songs. The only one. I guess he wanted it to also be played at Citizenship Services here in Canada. I guess so. But it is played when you become a citizen that plays. So they always also play the inauguration is Donald Trump. I just feel the love things. When I finally get my when I finally get my act together and send off

18:40my my citizenship acknowledgement to the Canadian Canada. Yeah. When it comes through, I will I'll play that song by Lee Greenwood. He's also a bless you the Canada. He's married five times to the same woman to how many women? One woman. No. One woman. No. He divorced her then realized he made a mistake. Got married again at least once. Then realized he made a mistake. He divorced her. No. So is it for women? Yes. So he did do it once. Yeah. Married five times to for women. Okay. Married five times to for women. I totally forgot. I married one twice. I got a little drug one evening and I'm married here once again. It was real familiar and I went wait. I got a day's of boo. And then I got the divorced and I got more days of boo. We have the same kid. I said couldn't time. I don't know how that occurred. It involved. I guess if you read a song, I think that this is absurd. I guess you read a song like God bless the America that you have you have

19:46five times getting married money. Oh man. That's you're having five times. That's what married money. That's what Randy Newman said. He said you will get divorced. You'll get married in divorced as many times as you can afford it. Wow. So he said I can only afford it twice. Man, I'm I'm glad I'm broke. I love my wife. This is pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Two spouses. Randy Newman? Yeah. One Rose Wither and one Gretchen. I think Gretchen is the new one. Good for good for them. Well, you say the new one. 19. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's funny is that new one? I don't I don't I don't I kind of voted out of the Randy Newman loop, but on his the last album I bought by him. Well, I'll help you out because you've got friend in me. That's true. I do have a friend in me. He has a song in there, which is basically like I love you song to his ex-wife. We're just kind of funny to write a song like that too when you marry to someone else. But I mean, I think it's also touching because you know, he does in the song. He's basically

20:49saying like, you know, despite us pulling apart and falling out with each other, I still have feelings for you. I still think of you and I still care for you. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. It's a nice song. It's a nice song from a man who can be rather ascetic in his songs. It's a nice song. So oh boy, this is a Dr. Pepper question for Randy Newman. It's about Randy Newman. Okay. Yeah. And okay. So here we go. Let me see if I'm getting this up here right. Oh come on. Come on Ian. Don't do it. You can do it. You can do it. I will. I'm just going to use a function. I have faith in you. There we go. In 1970, Newman wrote with Jake Holmes the most original soft drink ever, jingle for Dr. Pepper. Oh really? Yeah. I think what that song was. I have no idea. Maybe I'm a pepper. No, no. No, it can't be that. If only we knew someone who knew stuff about Dr. Pepper, only who might be able to help us with this. That the most original soft drink ever.

21:50Original soft drink song ever. So the most original soft drink ever song for Dr. Pepper. Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, I see. Oh, the song is the song is about the most original soft drink. The song's title is most original soft drink ever. Huh? Interesting. And you wrote it with a guy named Jake Holmes. Jake Holmes. That's correct. Which? Yeah. Uh, yeah. Jake Holmes, what other song did Jake Holmes write for Led Zeppelin? Well, I don't he wrote it for Led Zeppelin, but it was reworked for Led Zeppelin. Yeah. But he is the author of this song. Okay. Led Zeppelin did and made things. Is it days and confused? Yes, sir. It is. Huh? What else? Speaking of speaking of this, uh, Jake Holmes. Yeah. He wrote a song for the military. He did? That you've got in your head, uh, immediately. What is the song that he's got that was a recruiting song for the military? He wrote a recruiting song for the military? Yes, sir. Is it the one he wrote it in the 80s? Yeah, yeah. The one is the, uh, yes. That's

22:55the one. You don't even have to say it. We all know it. Okay. Playing in all of our heads. Oh, but what is it? Yeah. What is it called again? Go ahead. I can't remember what you're going to say. I don't know. You're going to say something about it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was just going to say is I was trying to guess it, but I yeah. What was your guess going to be? I do. We're going to say it. You almost had it coming out of your mouth. I heard it. Say it. I didn't. I see it. Um, yep. Almost there. Be the best. Yeah. Keep going. You started right. Keep going. Be. Be. Yes. All you can be very close. Expand it. Yeah. You're right. I mean, it's be all that you can be. Be all that you can be. Yes. I knew you have it. There's no way you didn't have that. You have it. So for you, I didn't want, I didn't want to cheap it in a funny way that he would. You're brain works, man. Yeah. Yeah. Just give it the time to let things come in. So you're like the guy on the toilet who's just like, I got to poop it all out now. Don't be that guy. Take your time and relax. To be, to be fair to Lidz Eplan, who did not give him credit when they did the original of these confused. It is a radical reworking of that song. It is very, there's very little relation other than some of the lyrics. It's a rata. It's radically different. I'm going to say that.

23:58But it gets interesting. Jake Holmes. It's funny that someone writing these confused in the 60s was writing jingles for the army in the 80s. But that's yeah. That's called the Yuppies. That's what. What were the Yippies? Yippies were Yippies were Yippies. What were they? They're like a political movement in there. And what was their stance? Let's have a good question. I really don't know much about them. Abby Hoffman. They were the youth international party. There you go. Youth international party with Jerry Rubin and was an American youth oriented radical and countercultural revolutionary offshoot. What does that mean of the freedom of speech and anti-war or the 60s? The student demonstration. They ran a pig for president. They did? Yep. They got the Immortal. I think the biggest was part of the demonstrations in Chicago at the 68 Democratic rally. A lot of people got their heads busted open and Philoaks lost his heart.

24:59Oh. He lost his faith in America. Oh, I'm sorry about that. And went downhill from there. I'm very sorry. Yeah, it is sad. It is sad. Would people see a musician? Yeah, Philoaks. Yeah, he was sort of off his kind of like a folk singer. Very much like a kind of read the newspaper right a song about it. It's a singer. Okay. And then in the mid 60s, there was the Mortsale of music. He was the Mortsale of music. Yeah. I think one of his albums called All the News, It's Fit to Sing or something like that. Okay. And then in the mid 60s, he signed to A&M and these radically switched to doing these very elaborate, very baroque albums, really long songs. With some rocking songs in between, but his raise on Detscher with these long seven minute, ten minute long songs that are just going on. I love them. I remember what I was with David M. that this is a long time ago at a record store back in the 90s and the Sonic Youth album Daydream Nation. It just come out. And I was going to buy it. I had it

26:04in my hand. I was going to buy it. And then David held up this best of Philoaks CD and he's like, you should buy this instead. And I was like, oh, okay. So I put the Sonic Youth down in butt Philoaks. And I don't think I don't know that album by Sonic Youth. I have never heard it. So I can't comment on it, but I have never regretted the decision to buy that album. Okay. But yeah, he just did wonderful songs that like Pleasures of the Harbor and Tape from California and rehearsals for retirement. These are all great songs. And rehearsals for retirement was written after the Democratic convention, which I say did break his heart. And that song is kind of like, basically like kind of a sign off. Also, he wasn't really, his career wasn't really like super, he wasn't super popular. He did one more record called, um, chords of, not called chords of fame. It has chords of fame on it. But the album itself is terrible thing about now. But I love on the back of it, there's the, there's the Elvis Presley album and it's called 150,000 Elvis Presley fans can't be wrong. And the back of the Philoaks, Elvis's 15 Philoaks fans can't be wrong. So great. But yeah,

27:10it's, he unfortunately got very depressed and then had like a schizophrenic breakdown. That's excellent. I'm sorry. Yeah, it is sad because he was a really like interesting person and this music is great. But you made, you made me think like an interesting idea for a book or show or podcast or what I'm not doing in the podcast right now. But would be after the heart break. What do people do after the heart break? It's got their big heartbreak and then what happened? Like, to me, something someone once said, like, again, I kind of fell in love with my wife at the time when my dad passed and there was a bit of like, oh, someone said to me like, oh yeah, your heart's so vulnerable now and open that like, yeah, you can feel love more than you could before this. And I'm like, yeah, after you've had a heartbreak, you're now at your most vulnerable, but you're also at your most absorbing time. I'm just like, you can actually, as you know, we've talked many times about Neil, Neil Brennan. Is it Neil Brennan? Okay. Yeah, talking about how the only time people

28:16can change is like when they are near death or almost died, that's the only time you'll give up drinking or what have you. I don't know if I agree with that. Yeah. But I think like, one of the times you can't actually probably make a real change in your life is when you've gone through a heart break and now you're healing and in the healing process, you can absorb maybe a bit more stuff for like, take a bigger chance or then you could have more. Yeah. But you can also then go downhill, real fricking fast. Yeah, there's a lot of danger there too. The most vulnerable you'll ever be. Well, there's that popular thing to talk about now, which is liminal spaces, you know, and it's kind of become like a, you know, back rooms is like, do you want to go to the back rooms to have this exploration? Because I got a version of you this day. Go great. It looks like a big, big sort of do-formed stuff stuffy or something. But produced by the person who did the music at my wedding, just got to throw that out there that. But I think you can go through in your life. You can, I didn't really think about this in relation to me until I was listening to a

29:20Theologian talk at a, we had this sort of like a retreat at our church when we can't, and I went, went to it, I went to the two days of it. And this guy was talking and he was a evangelical minister. And then he left the church and he became a Orthodox minister, like I could join the Greek Orthodox whatever. And so it was a big change for him to go from this very fundamental, you know, strict evangelical conception of religion to the Orthodox religion, obviously is still formulated, but it isn't like it's a big wacky, free-for-all, but it's it's still more open in a different way than what he was experiencing before. But he was talking about, and I think we're talking about liminal spaces, and just talking about how you can have in your life, you'll have moments of big sea changes in your life that can open you to new experiences or new feelings or new developments in your life, you know. So things like maybe changing a job

30:23or yes, some in passing or meeting someone new, you know, falling in love, these are all moments in your life where you can have that openness that allows you to, that you, because everything's changing for you, so you're not stuck in your normal thought patterns, you're not, you know, you've been freed for a while before you'll kind of sink back down into routine. For a while, you're kind of floating above that in a way. And yeah, I thought that was very interesting. And so when I was thinking about it to myself, because I was thinking about like when I converted to religion, not to say I converted to religion before I converted to Christianity, when I started seeing value in religion, you know, I had this huge change in my life, because I went from being a non-believer to being a believer, and which opened me up to lots of different feelings, you know. So I had like this very big kind of like, very real feeling to me experience of craze being with me, not just like, not just, you know, the sort of general feeling, but

31:23an actual physical feeling that someone was near me all the time for like a week. And so I was thinking of that as like a liminal experience, because I was going through this change in how I thought about things. How did that feel by the way? Very comforting, very nice. And I still think of craze that way. I often tell people that I always send craze into the room before me. So he's in the room when I come into the room to meet, so it's not just me walking by myself into a room, but craze is there as well. Christ is your point, man. He's my friend and helper. And so I was talking to someone at the thing about this. And yeah, it's just such an interesting concept to me, this idea of that. And I just like, as you say, when you go through like, you know, could be a major sadness, a major heartbreak, or it could be a major, just a huge feeling of love or something that sort of just disconnected you from routine for a short time and allows for those sort of heightened feelings, heightened experience of the pandemic. It could be a pandemic. Yeah, maybe.

32:25I guess, I mean, yeah, it depends how we experience it. I mean, for you, experience a little different. Yeah, yeah. Some people that some people were kind of locked in their homes where I was like, they were cut off from a lot of things where you had more structure. Yeah, I still had structure because I was still working and my job was considered an essential service. So no stop, no rest for you, sir. But I also got paid. So that's pretty good. And also the driving to work. Shifts kiss. So beautiful to drive like the actual length that shows you like at midnight, to be driving to work in the morning and have the same amount of time to work. I miss those days. So you're listening to Dave Mrs. The pandemic. You know, you know, everything bad has a silver lining and that was my silver lining. Yeah, some people, you know, they're just that they were so happy to have a closet full of toilet paper. I was, yeah, I was happy to, you know, just be able to drive to work days when you had a closet full of toilet paper. Yeah, there you go. The something I didn't realize with

33:25the back swing of some liminal, liminal spaces with the back rooms movie. Have you seen that? Or now? Yes, I did. Okay. I didn't realize that like I knew that there was YouTube videos before. Yeah, but I didn't know that the director of this had done some of those beforehand. Did all of them, I think? No, I don't think all of them. Because I think there was, what do you think, so? Well, I mean, the back room series, he did all of them. I mean, he, he took the idea. I thought it was just like an idea that was already out there, but he's he started the series. Okay, as in a series. Yeah, okay, a web series. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't realize it was something that was already existing. It was almost like the equivalent of adapting what we would do in the old days. It would be like adapting a novel or adapting a comic book. But like now there's adaptations of these web things that are, as you say, creepypasta, blah, blah. And then since that time, he's done another one just back to YouTube. So he went from YouTube to that to back to it because there's no

34:25difference for him because he's so young that it's yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just like another place to do it. Sure. Sure. It's not like, now I've hit the big time. So long suckers. I'm getting myself a house. It's funny. Yeah, it's I was thinking about this with um, a Mary and I went and saw a teenage sex and death and I'd like me as like me as my the new film from Jane Shornbrun. And now Lake Measima to me obviously has has Friday the 13th Fives, but also has sleepway camp vibes. Now have you seen sleepway camp? Now sorry, it's sleep. Okay. So the one that has the ta-da reveal is that sleepway camp two or sleepway camp? That sleepway camp. Yeah. Sleepway camp. Yeah. That's the ta-da dangling. Yeah. Partisable. Partisable. The end of the movie. Yes. So, uh, now so it's I thought it was kind of funny because I may be spoiling a little bit of our next this guy. I have no idea what we're going to be talking about on the next fan explainers yet. So

35:27but you are plugging fan explainers. I am plugging fan explainers because we just we just did a episode about obsessions. We'll have a probably have a refresh my memory out. And we talked about and we talked about back rooms as well on it because I'm I'm really interested in what I've been calling the YouTube YouTube with vacation of horror. And I think this is going to become a big thing now where there's going to be a lot of signings of creepypastas to be cut to studios. You're not applying what creepypastas to the next people? Sure. Well, creepypastas are kind of like serialized scary stories. They can be written. Sometimes people make them into make visual ones. Uh, isn't very pointed out in the show. They usually become ridiculous at some point because it gets so stretched out that it just takes a turn to the to nonsensical. But do you know what creepypasta is from the mutation of it? I did and I've forgotten it. My friend Patrick told me about it on a time. Copy paste. Ah, yes, that's right. Copy paste is creepypasta. Yeah. So and that also kind of fits the back rooms idea too, which is a copy paste that degrades over time.

36:27Yeah. And that's basically what creepypastas this idea of like, you know, images and things like that that that and you know, and so many of them have no real, there's not stories necessarily. They're just like, yeah, kind of elongated tall like tall tales almost or like like summer camp stories, you know, that you tell and they go on too long. But they're still, you know, that kind of thing would slender man be one. Yes. Yeah. So I think that's who I think that what a million years ago, my friend mentioned their name and maybe I shouldn't anyway, they were telling me about that. You see, kids and so they were like, oh, is this and this is what they're all into. This is the next thing and it's like, yeah, they did make a slender man movie, but it wasn't popular. So it wasn't. But this is this is it's a movie and it's like, this is not the venue for that problem. But what's happened now is that you have you have the visualization of these stories, like back rooms or obsession are examples of this where they can be mimefied into onto TikTok videos

37:29and stuff like that. So that's where the power is for these films now. So when slender man came out, when late so it came out, I said on the show that lights out did not make money. It made a lot of money. I was wrong. I didn't I didn't realize it came out in 2016. A time when movies made a lot of money just by virtue of being released to a theater, they made a lot of money and being horror movies with low budgets, they made a lot of money. But anyway, this Jane Schoenbrun thing is so Zach Kregger makes barbarian makes makes weapons now resident evil is coming out. Kuri Barker makes obsession. Now he's signed to do Texas James on Massacre. So I imagine Jane, Jane Schoenbrun after doing her two movies, I can't remember the name of her first film, but also I saw the TV glow. And then now so after those two things were hits, probably had held some meetings brought into the studio. It's mentioned in Lake Meas, my idea of like maybe this movie has some stuff in it that's it's a little bit questionable, a little bit problematic in our modern times. So they need to bring

38:33in a director who can kind of paper over those problematic elements. So maybe sleep away camp would be an example of that where you might want to get a trans director to come in and and kind of paper over the kind of you know, turning I don't want to spoil sleep away camp for people haven't seen this movie from 40 years ago, but you know it ends with a it ends with sort of a trans moment like as I could say. And so you know if they hired Jane Schoenbrun to do it, then she's a trans director. So she can turn this movie this old movie that we'd like to cash in on into something that's cashable, innable by having her directed. So now we have a trans woman making it okay, the the ending of the original sleep away camp. So now Jane Schoenbrun kind of like Cade Parsons. I think that's his name, Kain or Kain, Kain, Kain, he of Braggrooms, she's like nah, I don't want to do that. What's more interesting is to take what you want me to do and write a movie about that and

39:34explore, you know, explore a trans journey, talk about selling out, talk about all these things in this one and this one being crazy, crazy movie. So yeah, I thought that was rather fun. It is a it is an interesting film. It's not that scary to I don't think it's scary. It does have up some goren it, but the goren is absolutely over the top like to the point of ridiculous, which is part of the point of the movie. And it's just weird. It's just a crazy weird movie. It's almost like it's almost like the director of house, the Japanese film house decided to make a make a slash like make a make a make a a lakeside slash a movie. That's basically what you're getting with the teenage sex and death at Lake Myasema, but it's fun. But anyway, I don't know what we're talking about and I went I went off, but you did plug another podcast. It is just fans. Well, fans, fans, it's good. It's important because that we got to keep internally marketing all of our, well, no one else is going to do it for us. No, that's fair point. Yeah,

40:34that's a fair point. We're not pumping it. We're not pumping our stuff. And once again, comedy and horror, those are the two things that you can make a little budget. You've got a really good idea. And you execute it well. And both equally hard to do. And then of course, and that we'll also all have sequels at stink. I know what this is about. Obsession two is that yeah, is it more obsessive? Obsession or I do think it's funny that they offered him twice the money that he was given for a budget to write the film with the main character as a hero of it. And he said no. Oh, yeah. I think it's funny that in the last two years, there's been two movies about wishing sticks. What's the other one? Weapons. Oh, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, it's more witchcraft, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's snap. Yeah, there's your, there's your, yeah. I mean, we're obviously in that before. And then like, it's the old time you witchcrafty stuff. Yeah. Yeah, because well with Cree Barker, he did a horror short on YouTube called the chair. And that's what got him attention.

41:37And then they wanted him to adapt that. And then he said, well, I have a different script. And so he pitched Obsession. And they're like, oh, that sounds fine. Try it. You should do that. He said, I'm going to have an actress make the craziest faces. And the kids on TikTok are going to love it. That for any faces is going to be everywhere. I don't know if you need that, but you know, no, I've heard this. I've also this week on the New Yorker critics, a critic at large critics at large podcasts. Oh, yeah, they talked about. They got their finger in the polls. What scares Gen Z. Okay. And so they did the it ends and then back rooms. It ends. Yeah, I really want to see that. Yeah, it was, it was on like last year or something, it was on letterboxed. They have their own like session. Yeah, sorry. They have their own like video channel. And they had it ends on there. And I read it and I was just like, oh, this sounds fantastically fun. It's playing at park. It's playing at the park. Yeah, no. No, I've heard nothing but good things, but I haven't had time yet. No, I think it's going to be something that you will enjoy. I'm going to try and see what the budget for that was because I think

42:38it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah. The budget for it is, do you know what the budget is? No, I don't. Okay. Take a guess to your wrong lower. No, lower. Go. Is it under 100,000? Yep. Really for it ends. Yeah. I'm going to $80,000. $80,000 as well. Huh. That's good. Good for them. It is good. I love it. I just love that. I mean, this is 92% of I'm wrong tomatoes right now. This is a great time for movies right now. I think like I think we're just getting some fabulous stuff happening. So they're saying that it's a brilliant modern spin on Sartre's no exit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. First time I've heard that. Yes. Existential horror. Let's get there. It's also smart because it almost all takes place in the car. So you just are shooting it. Yeah. In an endless journey that's just shooting in the car. That's smart. I like the poster. One of the posters is it. Then it's a long, a long back and forth line going down to ends. So it's good. As now everyone tries to think of their

43:41literal elevator pitch. I was like, it's a horror movie in an elevator. Shaman tried it. I did. But there is that one that's popular in YouTube that they did science to a film. Oh, did they? Yeah. You know the one where the man when we get to an elevator and then it starts going down with this supposed to go up and that starts going down into the negative and it keeps on going down, down, down in the doors open and it's to blackness. Okay. And that ends there. And you're just kind of like, it's fine. I mean, the problem with those things is that it's kind of like lights out. Lights out was really good as a short. Sure. It was really scary. It was really well done. And then they made the movie and you're just like, Yon, like first thing, they totally fuck up the short. They tried to reproduce it in the movie, but it's done in a different place, different setting. It doesn't work at all. It's stupid. And then they then they go, oh, we need a backstory. And you're like, no, you don't need a backstory. Like, I mean, really need a backstory for this. No, backstories don't make horror movies more fun. Let me tell you. Would you kind of need that? We give you a long backstory. Yeah. Well, like, we want you to make,

44:42we need you to, we want you to make a movie version of that. Okay, that's great. What other movie ideas do you have? You make it about your other movie idea and we're going to throw this on to. We're going to throw this on like right off the top. Yeah. Lose it connected, perhaps. Yeah. Out of the way. Yeah. Like the Annabelle, the doll opening to cook the conjuring. Like Annabelle has nothing to do with the ball. I guess she's slightly features in the second, the first one. In some way, but not that much. Like the whole thing is like, it just opens with a creepy story. And let's tell you the next creepy story. This is a one story that's kind of weird from the files of these, whatever their names are. Yeah, they got a whole bunch of the shit on the shelf. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. It's moving along. Yeah. And so yeah, it's just a great little creepy story. And then let's tell you the next creepy story. We've set the table. Now we can tell you another story. That's what they should have done with Lights Out. So it should have been like, that was the girl's father that happened in the past. Now she's living with the fact that her dad died in the history of circumstances. And then she ends up in this other thing or whatever, right? Like yeah, or making it this was a story that the kids used to tell each other to scary

45:46each other. Okay. Now where are they now? They're here. And this is what we're doing. And I love about. Yeah. Yeah. This that or the other. Some way personalize it so that it's it's it's it's there, but not good. I'm you for still giving a shit about whatever's next in horror and whatnot. That is an unusual thing for someone who's probably one of your peers to do. If you went to a high school reunion. Yeah. And you went like, yeah, me and my daughter went and we saw this. Everyone would be like, wait, what are you talking about? We don't see that. Let's see that. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't that I'm sure that's it is a case like yeah. I was at home watching Yellowstone. Yeah. Okay. Good for you. Yeah. The wife's really hot. Yeah. We know. We know all. Yeah. Because she was hot and the Sherlock Holmes movies too. Like we already know she's hot. Yeah. We get to get by the way hot people are on TV. You're right. If you watch that where will movie consider boobs if you're really into her. Oh, what's this? The curse. Okay. It's called the curse. Yeah. She washes her. She washes it in a in a wash basin at the beginning of the movie. You don't know watch the movie is not good. Mm-hmm. Just watch the first 10 minutes. You can see your boobs

46:50and then it's turned it off and you're perfectly fine. What if brush your hands, walk away? What if we started a website? There was just those scenes. Just movies. Kelly wrote it. Yeah. They were just the new scenes. Hey Dave. Yeah. Would we then be that Mr. Skin? Yeah. Well actually I was going to say what would we then we then be whatever that Seth Rogan jet apatome. Oh yeah. I knocked up. Knocked up. Because the whole thing is those guys don't realize there's a thing called Mr. Skin. Oh, okay. Well yeah. I was trying to do a meta in a thing. Sorry. I jumped. I don't worry about it. I jumped. I jumped. It has all fine. I watched this is a second. This is a second podcast for shooting. Recording shooting. Yeah. Why are we shooting this? This is a cramidated. I fit. So we're going to be a little off. No one can be able to live here. It's okay. I sound young and I have a young. Yeah. Sound young. And I have young you know a young opinions about putting on a piece. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Actually yesterday we dealt with some man poor guy

47:52and where his truck was so so high that he had these stupid like pointy up pieces on the roof rack that would be even harder to put the door or the doors up up there. And and where I said this is a dangerous roof rack. And he said yeah, I'm 66 and I have a lot of trouble with it. And we walk away and the guy was loading with he goes he goes hold the idea. I said oh I'm 60. He goes yeah, don't tell that guy that. Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah. I'm the 66 that used to be when you're back in 66. Yeah. This is pretty much it. You look you're 60 think okay. You insist. That's all fine. I can't tell anymore. I'm 66 on emergency. I'm just a pile of dust blowing through the house well 66 on emergency they had a 70 they had a 75 year old actor playing 66. That's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. There's some guys clearly in the 60s. I'm 35. You are you just wish that the doctors would question that. Yeah shut up and let the jazz

48:52doctors perform for me. Hey dude. Yeah dude. Yeah dude root 66. Hey I wrote that. We know you wrote that. That's where you make a reference to it. And now Julie London do crime here River. Oh Julie London. So good in the girl can't help it. I think she does crime here. Is that what she is is that it? I'm not sure exactly what she sings in it. I'll see. I've seen it once. It's all you need to see something where she keeps like appearing and disappearing and what have you through the things. Grime River. Oh come on. Yeah. Poppilize by Julie London. That's correct. But is that what she's saying in the girl can't help it? This is this is this is good point. Which is where we know watch that movie because you hear about all this movie where all the rock rock on rollers are in this movie and it's all rock and roll and you watch it and just Julie London in the middle of the movie. I don't know if a rock and roll is okay. Okay here we go. My dad had Julie London records. The song's first release was by actress and singer Julie London on Liberty Records at 55. Okay. All right. London a bit urged to record the song by Bobby Troop. She would later

49:57marry after her divorce from web. Okay. Quilt Web. Not Jack Web. Is it Jack Web? I don't know. Was she married to Jack Web? Fuck we gotta look up this kind of stuff. Yeah the girl can't help that you're right. Okay. Thank you. Oh she finally heard you. What's going on? What's happening there? Julie London. Okay. Julie London. Married to Jack Web. That can't be right. That can't be right. Don't let that be right. Jack Web. That's why she was on emergency. She was married to Jack Web from 47 to 54. And obviously had an old school went on. They had a good relationship because she was on emergency later on. Yeah. With her husband she left that she left Jack Web before. Right. And she stayed with him for his whole life like she got married in 59. Five years after you know divorced and Jack Web. Boom boom boom. Yeah. So it wasn't immediate. So it probably was there wasn't hurt feelings. Oh my gosh. Oh boy. Boy that makes you want to watch him. She did a bunch of Westerns. Did she? Oh I'll tell you about it. Okay. She was with rock Hudson. Okay. You're not

51:00gonna get any of these. No I'm not. I'm gonna get rock. A western called the Fat Man. Nice. Now we expect to hear your question. It's about the Adam bomb. How about being with Robert Taylor and John Cassavetes? Robert Taylor and John Cassavetes in a Western. You bet you 1958 saddle on the wind. Saddle in the wind. Listen. How about Gary Cooper now we're talking now we're talking Western Westerns is West and the West man of the West. How about Robert Mitchem? Robert Mitchem. I don't think of him as a Western guy but 1959. He was in the wonderful country. Okay. They are the wonderful country. What's your real name Julie Peck? Julie Living's better. Yeah you're not wrong. Personal life. Oh she keeps it personal. And she smoked how many packs of cigarettes a day? I get three packs a day. Three packs a day. Three packs a day. Three packs a day. She's a smoker. I mean that. That cried on ocean. I hope for you. Are we still sounded pretty good when she's played in Nourstixi on emergency? She did a cover of a song.

52:04Okay. That's a few by J.com's. That was featured on six feet under. Oh. It's on the soundtrack album. Okay. That was quite popular. Okay. The original version. I'm going to tell you the name. Okay. You're going to tell me the song and you're going to do it. All right. Because you're Dave. Okay. It was by the Ohio Express. The Ohio Express. Yeah. What was the song? Oh my gosh. Is it as corny as it sounds? Well, it's in yummy yummy yummy. Yes. I'm trying to see if it warps here. Sure. Julie London singing yummy yummy. Wow. Slow down maybe. I don't know. Yummy. Yummy. Yummy. Oh, I've got love in my tummy. Yeah. All right. So this and I'm something that are there for you. I can never remember. Everybody after the show go check out our check out on YouTube. Check out on YouTube. Julie London. Yummy. Yummy. Just go pass the Lee Greenwood. I got it. I'm obligated to put those up. I don't want to. And then there you are. Nothing makes me happier than

53:07when things I like or in other things I like. For instance, oh, go ahead. For instance, there was an episode of Monday Python where they had a band playing it with everyone hiding inside of boxes. Yes. Singing. Yeah. Singing yummy yummy yummy. Wonderful. And I love that song so much. And I was like, now I love this show even more because they look I didn't realize they're making fun of the song. Probably, but I like they like this song. So her version of Crimea River. Yes. As we've said, it's in the girl can't help it. Yeah. Um, was also used in the film called Passion of Mind. Never heard of it from 2000. Okay. It was also in a film in 2006 that was an adaptation of a comic book. An adaptation of a comic book series. Yeah. Yeah. From hell. You've got the author right can keep going. Okay. So what was so V for Vendetta? Yes. Yeah. That version of of Crimea River is in V for Vendetta. Oh, wow. I need. Where she buried? I was close everyone. Where she buried? Yeah. Is she buried in Kansas? She's buried in the Forest lawn Hollywood Hills. Oh, Forest lawn. Good old

54:10forest lawn. And her star is on the Hollywood walk of fame. Percent is at 7,000 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles. She deserves it. Go say hi next time you're in town. She made a lot of great albums. I know that because my dad had a couple of Julian and Alms, which you bought for the music and for the cover image of a beautiful Julian London. She's also in the George Raft story. The George Raft story. Yeah. You want to know about George Raft? I'll tell you about that story. That's her. She was an actor who played gangsters in the 1930s. Sure. But also played other roles. He's a pretty a pretty good actor actually. And she played Dixie McCall of course in emergency. Yes. Of course she did. Of course. Mary to JW McCall. Right. But. Yeah. Where did her character first appear? Oh, oh really? So yeah, I'm going to get Adam 12. Yeah. Wow. First appearance. I love it. Yep. I loved it because I loved Adam 12 when I was a little kid. I have barely remember it now because I was so young my parents watched it. So I watched it too. That's great.

55:10I love it. Yep. Hurray. Hurray for Julie London. We think you're swell. Hurray for Julie London in the African explorer. She married to Jack Webb. Because they have a hasu. Did someone call her snorer? That's right. Snorer. I should say. Troop Bobby Troop. Good for Bobby Troop. Good for Bobby Troop. Good for everybody. You know what? I think everybody is love. He seemed a lot older than her. So good for him. Yep. She appeared as her cell phone. The Jack Benny program once. Oh. That's right. I wonder if he paid her if he was just a cheap skater. Well, he was a big cheap skater. I couldn't play the violin very well if I know my Jack Benny lore. Yeah. You know, he was once robbed. Oh, what happened? Well, the guy said, you're money or your life? Well, okay. Yeah. Jack Benny had to think about it. He said, I'm thinking. I'm thinking. And then the guy shot him. It took him many anyway. You know, sometimes he shouldn't think too hard about things sometimes. It's got to react. And then George were sorry.

56:13I grew up. Max was walking by and just went, wow, he bet his life. Wait a minute. Get my agent on the phone. And that's my grow up. Max impression. Wait a minute. Get my agent on the phone. Jack, Jack, Jack. Good night, Mrs. Calabash. Hey, there's my brother, Harlow. Hong, Hong. That's great. Why a duck? Hong, wait, isn't this wrong? The most ridiculous thing I've ever hiked. I like my cigar, but I take it out of my mouth once in a while. That's right. What's the way I try to think of? I all I can think of is the punchline. Now, how an elephant got in my pants or what got in my pajamas? I'll never know. Oh, you're going to be a different story. You're talking a very different joke. I've even gotten my pants. I've got to find a way to duplicate. Great to say in my life, we were married for three years after I divorced

57:18Jack Webb, who married everybody. His web of marriage. His web of marriages. Yeah. Nice. When you do two shows in a row, they go a little, you will do, you will do, you will do. Why not? It's more fun. That way. I'm glad I'm an auto. I don't have to be here for this nonsense. Last time I was an auto I was nine years old. We went on a road trip, which makes no sense to me because we actually took a bus from Montreal to Ottawa. That makes no sense. That's too far. Is that too far? That's not far at all. Is it? They're quick lists of each other. It doesn't seem right, but yes. No, we did. It was a day trip. We went. We went to whatever, you know, all the political stuff went to a museum, did some stuff. I heard the trip was a piece of gattano. Wow. You see, as Canadians, we can all enjoy that joke. Yes. It's funny on no levels. That's right. By the way, guys, I got a book out. Buy my book. It's

58:22called Frostbites. Buy me my wife, Pia. Yeah. There we go. If you're going to be promoting it at the con, I assume. Yes. That's one of the reasons why we're doing such things. It's too late for you to probably say, no, it's not. No, it's not at all. Listen, if you're in Vancouver on the 16th, we're going to be doing a launch of the book at Iron Dog Books. Oh, nice. So please come one, come off. We're going to a little chinwag. There, Yip Yap. And it's a really nice little bookstore that's on Hastings Street in Vancouver. So we'll be back. Is it at 12 noon? It is not at 12 noon. I don't know. I thought it would be at 12 noon. Why is that? Because it's launch time. Two shows in a row. And you cry me a river. Because nobody's laughing. Cry me a river. I'm trying to. For vendetta. I am the liminal spaces of comedy. Oh, yeah, I'm talking to the liminal day. I'm totally slipped into a podcast room. So Jason to this one.

59:27It's right. I am, you know, I'm not the biggest horror fella. But I am the biggest creativity fella. So it's nice seeing all these different creative, interesting, little budget things. Yeah, I mean, back rooms is like $10 million. It's pretty, it has pretty elaborate sets. It's pretty amazing. But based on something that wasn't like the two videos that were not. Sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, liminal spaces has been around for a while. I remember on Instagram, like when I first started looking Instagram, this was quite a few years ago, it's a lot of shots of like, it would just be like liminal spaces. It would just be like shots of like dead malls and stuff like that. You know, it's sort of empty spaces of, you know, with no further use. They've lost all meaning, you know, which is interesting to me because malls are still really popular here in Canada. They do really well in Canada. And I don't know. Is it because of our weather? So like a portion of the year, we need some place to go. You could see that about like Calgary or Edmonton or Winnipeg, yeah. Well, West Toronto.

1:00:27West Edmonton Mall or Toronto. But here, I mean, we don't know how I see what you're saying. Our weather's so mild here, like there's no reason. Unless you don't like rain. Yeah, but I mean, what do you guys want to go hang with your friends? Like what are you going to do? Yeah, you go to the mall. Obviously, yeah, the mall is the best place to go. It's the cheapest option. Yeah. It is. And I think what is different than a lot of American malls, which to my mind, like the big malls in the States are built on the outskirts of town. So people have to travel a long way to get to the malls. So it's like a long drive to go to the mall. Whereas it here, like the Luramellan anyway, like all their malls are within a community, you know, whether it's Gilford or Willabruk and Langley or Metrotown or Oak Ridge, which I know you drive to Crazy Crazy, but there are in, they are in like actual communities of people live around them. And so these are places that easy to get to, you know, have things you know. When I left in the suburbs, they go to the mall all the time because it's like that's where the comic books are. Sometimes they're sort of video games are. Yeah, that's where things are. Where things that you like. Then eventually it was like that's

1:01:30where video tapes are. So I'm going to rent some video tapes like all the things that make, this is nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you got the time, you come downtown. Yeah. And that's where the more of the things are that you like them. Yeah. And that's a bit, I mean, Pacific Center is still one of them, one of the most successful malls in Canada. Really? Yeah. Which seems crazy because I always feel like there's nothing. Because I always feel everything's shutting down. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like meetings is going away. Yeah. Well, the meetings, yeah, it was long gone, but the Bay has gone away. Yeah. Which seems ridiculous. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the Bay is the usual problem, right? It was bought by a by one of those equity funds or firms or whatever. But it still seemed immortal. Like it had been or should have been a more than half. Yeah, it should have been immortal. And it was but it was driven into the ground by a bunch of greedy Turks, you know, this like the series was destroyed by an equity firm as well. So they just suck all the juice out of it and then spit out the spit out the rind when they're done with it and rind is the the corpse of the Bay, which yes has been around long. Yeah. I got into Pacific Center and so long. Just

1:02:33because it feels like when I'm walking by out of belong here anymore. This is for me anymore. Yeah. I shouldn't I shouldn't go in here. I feel that way too. Like when when Sears was there, then yeah, I was serious. You can go on. I belong at Sears, but I don't belong at Nordstrom. It's like I don't belong at like these high, you know, and it wasn't just like a regular department store. It's like a high end high fashion department store where you go in there and you're kind of like $500 for a t-shirt with a black square on it. Like what the heck? That was that was the interesting thing when I was going on. I went to New York. It's a hell of a town. And we're like yeah, Bronx is up in the batters now. And I went into Macy's. Yes. And I was like, oh, Macy's. Like Macy's and Gimbals and the Macy's day parade. And you go in and go like, what a dump. Like, but it was still okay. It was like, oh, it's a kind of comforting. Yeah, I appreciate that this is a bit of a dump. There's some shirts on the floor. It's a little sloppy. It's like, yeah, okay. Nice. It's not fancy pants. I don't belong here. It's like, yeah, I'll come in here and get some socks and things. Yeah, that's nice. It made me happy. Yeah. Well, what I mean,

1:03:40one thing I like about the past that we don't really have anymore is the dinosaurs. Yeah, I miss them. I remember when they used to roam free. Now they're gone. But is the kind of like home, the home growing department store, like not a chain department, not a Macy's not went across the country. But like, you know, I remember one, I can't remember the name of the, I can't remember the name of the department store now. But when we would as kids, when we would go down to Portland, because they parents were sentimental for their time in Portland, when we would go down to Portland every once in a while, my parents would I never found out about Powell City of Books. But we'd always would go to the main department store, which was a big, a big tall building in downtown, tall for Portland, a big building in Portland that, you know, was our department store. You know, I remember being there, like looking at video games. This is a long time ago. So like early video games and this young, this fellow young kid from the area, but he was from, he was from rural Oregon. So he had like a actual twang, like a twangy accent, you know, my boring accent. But he

1:04:44had like a, you know, kind of fight accent. And I was just like, where are you from? He's like, oh, from such such a town outside of of a port, you know, it's at a Portland or whatever. And I'm like, oh, I didn't realize I didn't know there's a big country folk here in this part of the world. But but yeah, so, but you know, I always go there. I wish I knew it could remember the name of that particular department store, but you know, like Nordstrom's is a, is a Seattle department store. And this was a, you know, so every city you went to had its own department store in it, you know, that that everyone went to. Everyone's mom and dad went to that store when they went, when you're kids, you know, the, you know, so you'd have those sort of traditions around it that go into the bay when they used to have their Christmas displays and the windows around the store and stuff like that. I thought it was a big part of people's Christmas time, you know, and all gone now. Thanks a lot. Equity firms. Boo. Thanks for building them. We got hot and cold red pornography. That's what we got. We got that instead. I guess. Yeah. Where the bass or? No, just everywhere. Oh, everywhere. Everywhere. It's like, what have we got now? Well, I guess we have the internet.

1:05:48That's what we got. That's all we got. We got plenty of it. It's going to be horror movies with liminal spaces. There you go. Speaking of like old-timey days. Yes. As we sometimes do. We had some of this venture down this path. I was looking at a video online and they were talking about the history of the pop shop. Okay. And in talking about how how incredibly fast it rose to greatness and then how it all fell. Oh, really? Yeah. And are you familiar with like? No, not at all. Well, first of all, like, yeah, they, you know, it was a small business in Ontario. Okay. And the idea was you would go into their shop itself. Yeah. And do you pay to deposit for bottles? Yeah. And you paid a deposit for the case, which was a 24 case thing. But all the soda was less than half the price of regular soda and had all these different flavors. And so, yeah, it just became incredibly

1:06:50popular. And because you had already invested in this case and you had your empties, you would always go back. And yeah, you could get like all the different flavors you wanted. And then they started running commercials. And then it just became insanely popular. Okay. Like it's a spread like bananas. So it's spreading into the States. And it's so spreading everywhere. It's spread so many places that the grocery stores who they were competing with went, oh, why don't we just do this? Oh. And so all the, that's where all the grocery store knock off sodas that you see now, like Dr. Skipper or what had you came from. Okay. And they did that. And as soon as they did that, that was the end of the pop shop. But for a while, there was like all these knockoffs like pick a pop. Yeah. And whatnot. But yeah, this, there was like so many knockoffs of the pop shop. But yeah, it was such a big part of like our lives for like like about five years. Yeah, brief time. But yeah, like I remember Harry brief time. I remember having birthday parties as a kid and we always had maybe it was pick a pop or a pop shop pop at the party. Because yeah, it was

1:07:54cheap. And that's what parents love it. Yeah. I'm trying to remember the name of the hockey player who was like the who was the commercial guy for it. And his, his thing was he always like go into a shop with a bunch of kids and like pick the pick the sodas you want and he'd all and they'd be like, I want root beer. I want it. And he'd be like playing soda water for me, which is weird because he's an adult, I suppose. And he said like, I've never had a nose for finances. But my parents taught me one thing. Look after the nickels and dimes and the dollars will take care of themselves. And then you tap his nose because I guess he had like a big nose. And that was the whole thing behind it. Oh, I know. Who is it? Eddie Shaq down the track with Eddie. These are these are questions. And I am going to Toronto player. Yeah, let's see. Bronson retail shop and things regular thing. Oh, God, Eddie Shaq. You're absolutely right. What's the sponsor? What's the spokesperson? Yeah. Good for me. Now, now Dave, I'm going to give you a challenge. Okay. There's 26 flavors. Oh my

1:08:56God. Half of them were diets. So I'm taking those out. Yeah, I get those off. I don't want to talk about diet. Dave, lime. Lime. Great. Well, specifically lime. What? Lime, Ricky. Okay. But I'm gonna say, I was gonna say lime, Ricky. But anyway, lime, great, root beer. Yep. Oh, cooler. Yep. Do I say grape? Yep. Cherry. Black cherry. Yes. So do I. We've covered orange. Is there an orange? There is an orange. Yep. I'm only at five. I'm gonna say to you here. Cream soda, fruit punch. Oh, I didn't. I think I said, I thought I said cream. So the full list is this. Okay. Cola, cream soda, fruit punch, grape, ginger ale, grapefruit, lemon, lemon lime. They're different. Yeah. Lime, Ricky, orange pineapple. That's why we all forget. And it was always like left last root beer strawberry. Oh, yeah. It's unusual. Yeah, it is tonic water. Because you know what? That's your fun. No, this is like, because they were also used as mixers. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do water, black cherry, cherry

1:09:59cola, and then all of those, but diet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then yeah, the grocery stores all got their own knockoff versions of that, which is why you had that wild, wild variety of flavors they wouldn't have in regular soda pop. Yeah. But for a while, they were beating a crush and they were beating root beer like, uh, yeah, yeah, those root beer things in grocery stores in Canada. And then yeah, they spread all over the the states as well until goodbye. But there were also the reason that you have all the knockoff soda pops. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they were. It was quite a it was quite a time like to get it was I still love them. I you know, me too. They still have them now in the like the savor. Yeah. They're in a nostalgic. They're in the nostalgia thing. Yeah. But you wouldn't go to a pop shop and fill up. You pay for the you pay for the nostalgia too. They're not cheap anymore. They're not the they're not what they were used to be where you got a knockoff knockoff drink. It's at a knockoff price. But I always like to be honest with you, I'm not a fan of other people's colas, but I love like lime rickies and the in the in the grape juice,

1:11:03great or grape sodas and stuff like that. Those are those are perfect. It's a perfect vehicle for those sort of flavors. Oh, here's a problem. In 2008, the pop shop brought back the classic stubby style bottles. They were popular in the 70s. What was the problem with those bottles that made them unpopular? The stubbies? Yeah. Made them unpopular. Yeah. They were next to the regular sodas. Why the regular glass bottle soles? Why why were they unpopular? Were they not enough drink? They had the same amount of drink, but because there was long neck bottles next to the stubbies, it looked like you had less. So the illusion was, I'm getting less, I'm not getting that. I'm going to get the long neck crowned bottle, which is why they only have long neck craft bottles now. Because people thought, which is weird because I think like there isn't definitely a nostalgia for the stubby. Yeah, I would think so. I mean, I don't like beer, but I love the old-style beer label. And a stubby bottle, that just makes me think of my grandfather. Same. Yeah.

1:12:05It also makes me think of a real sack of shit that was in our family, but still, it would drink a 24 at a time. It would drink a 24 literally a 24. Yeah. And it would call me Rosemary. It was my sister's godfather. And he would just like, seriously, you'd have to have a 24 for him when he visited. And he would just be drinking it constantly. And then he'd say, hey, Rosemary, how are you doing Rosemary? Yeah, it's not a good guy. No, he says it's a good asshole. He would smell quite bad. And let me just see how he's doing now. It's expected. He was wondering if she would ain't exploded. Yeah. Poor guy. Yeah, it couldn't happen to a nicer fellow. It sounds like I never knew him personally. I only have your point of view. So maybe being unfair to him. He's probably the reason I don't really drink beer. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's because it smells like him. And he smells like beer. Yeah. He was just

1:13:06always smelling. That's interesting. Yeah. The reason I don't drink beers is because it smells like beer. So that's always very off putting to me. I know those people who are fans of it, do knock yourselves out everybody. Drink in 24 bottles of it. You'll knock yourself out. After a while, and then after a while, it will just be meaningless in the this drink 24 times. Surprise. Sometimes the amount of T totalers I know. Why should that shock you? It's the right decision. Yeah, but like from yeah, it's just weird. Like maybe I'm drawn to that because I don't go to bars. Yeah. I don't meet friends like bars. You're like weirdos. But it's just, you know, just people that don't drink at all. Like when we have get together with our friends, you know, it's rare that one of us is drinking or anything. And if so, it's a novelty or I've brought something for someone or one of our friends. But it's like, it's unusual. And then if we bring like two more friends, like over, it's like, yeah, they don't drink either. Like it's just they just people don't drink. Whereas it's I mean, they may drink, but they're in a situation where it's not on offer and it's not being,

1:14:06it's not a commonly done. Yeah. And the situation is just kind of like, well, I just want bother drinking. I don't care. Yeah. Because I mean, there are some people, of course, be it's really bad. They'd be like, you're not drinking. Yeah. I brought my own beers. You know, I'm going to be here like necking these beers over in the corner. You're going to a person's house. Well, you bring a bottle of wine. Of course you do. Why wouldn't you do that? Yeah. But say, yeah, it's just like, and I know a lot of like really creative people too. And I'm like, oh, you think like, you know, the artsy lifestyle, yeah, boohey, goosey, uh-huh. And just like, no, just a bunch of straight charlie's like no one, no one here like, you know, does drugs, no one here drinks. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, that's interesting. It's like all these people here. It's hard to get worked on if you're drunk. Well, some people have. I don't know if you know rock music. Never heard of it. Okay. Well, there's a show I'd like you to hear called Sneaky Dragon Listening Party. Sounds suspicious. All right. Sounds suspicious. But people who did that show have a new podcast called fan splints. Oh, and they're good for them. Yeah. But they do the other one.

1:15:07Then they had a horrible breakup. And then they got back together over movies. What we can never talk about music again. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. He's the same guy who did completely Beatles. And then the host of that one had a terrible breakup. And when we can never talk about music again, got to talk about like movies. And then they still show called fan splinters. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's basically whenever he breaks up with a podcast. Yeah. So then started show called fan splinters. That's right. That's how it works. That's great. I was going to say about drinking. I can't remember what it was now. Sorry. Sorry. If you did drink, if I did drink, what would your drink be? Well, it's a good question because to me, alcohol tastes terrible. So you're at a restaurant. Yeah. And you know, yeah. Maybe, uh, I mean, if I if I was had to drink, I would probably drink. I can't remember the cold now, but there's a name for these kind of very low alcohol beers. Okay. But I can't remember their cold. But that's probably like, or maybe they're maybe they're like

1:16:12kind of like, um, not beers, but like a kind of like a alcohol, I don't know what to call them. Like they have like a flavor to them. Like, okay. There'd be like a white cloth. Maybe like a white cloth. But that's vodka, I think. Maybe. I don't know. I just say I don't know if it all sounds gross to you. Exactly. If you weren't to vegan, what meat would you use? Yeah. Yeah. It's basically the question. Yeah. Maybe maybe I've just followed Lisa's lead and drink a Tom Collins, which is just gin with a lot of lemonade. I'd be like, hard and lemonade, easy on the gin. Okay. Yeah. I've tried a couple of times through a gin and tonic, but like both tastes terrible. And then together, they're tolerable. Yeah. But like, I mean, they're what they are. There, there you go. I just never I never got into the habit of it. That was Graham Chapman's typical of choice. I think it was GNT's. Yeah. Yeah. Which it doesn't make any sense to me once again, because you're just like you say, you're just having like what is the what is this awful tonic doing to the awful gin that's making it more palatable? I can't. Well, you also add a lime to it or something. I give it a little, it's the three things together that make it make some kind of sense.

1:17:16Wait. So do you put the lime in a coconut? Oh, boy. I watched um, practical magic yesterday. Oh, my channel. Which has that song. The new one or the no, that was the thing. Like I keep seeing the trailer for the new one. Yeah. And I watched the trailer. I'm just like, I didn't see the last one. I don't get any of this. I get that this must be a scene from the the other one. So I watched practical magic because it was it was free. It was on TV. It's Griffin done directing it. You watch and watching Adrian. What's his name? Well, yeah, the secret diary of Adrian Moll aged I'm in the 90s. But yeah, it's fine. It wasn't what I expected. No, I expected it would be more magic. And he's supposed to be kind of funnier like a work of kind of cookie movie and it's not cookie at all. It's like really serious and kind of kind of yeah kind of like kind of gloomy and for lor. Yeah, that's kind of an odd film. Yeah, it's weird. Eve loves it. Okay. She loves it a lot. I don't I don't know about sisters. I mean, that's what it is. I don't know. And and so, you know,

1:18:20I've seen it a couple of times with her and I think it's fine, but my feeling about it is the yeah, it kind of needs laughter. You know, the world needs laughter. What the world needs now? I like thinking of it as sweet laugh. Prequel to elementary. The Sherlock Holmes TV show. Because the because the Adrian Quinn is a cop. He didn't win. He didn't win. Yeah. And then he's the kind of chief of police in that. So I feel like yeah, after he dealt with the witches, he went and he hung out with Sherlock Holmes. So he's the guy that gets killed in perturbed magic. It's the guy that gets killed as a guy who was like the handsome guy in emergency numbers the ER ER show George Clooney. No, after Clooney leaves, this was the handsome guy that shows up. Yeah. Okay. So what else has Griffin done? Not the young guy, not the young kid. Not no while you know, no, because no while he's with it from the beginning. He shows up after Clooney's gone because they needed to roll the things and so he was the handsome. He needed a new hole. Yeah. So Griffin done as a director.

1:19:27What if they don't like for trying to look here addicted to love? Oh no. Oh one segment of the worst movie ever made. What's that? Which is movie 43? Oh okay. Part of talked into doing it. Yeah, a lot of a lot of people were talking to you in that movie. Yeah. Although it was so awful. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. And then you know, I thought maybe he did some more movies that I would have seen. Nope. Didn't. So that's all fine. Good for him. You know what? Listen, it's all fine. Yeah, he's just been I was being kind of a small director like this guy. Yeah. And just in a little also an actor. Yeah. Yeah. It's good to be an actor. He's everything's fine. I think I think of a funny guy because he's funny in American world. If I'm London. Yes. He's funny in that movie. He was born on my birthday. Not the year. Yeah, but the day. And that's important. Yeah. We've got a funny if you said not the day, but the year. But yeah, like I saw I just assumed that things he'll do will be funny. He's funny. And after hours, the Martin Scorsese phone. And so when he does a movie like practical magic and you know, you've got like someone who's

1:20:29sort of a late comedian in a Sandra Bullock. And I know that Nicole Kidman is not a barrel of fun at any point. She's probably someone who has no sense of humor. But you know, she's there. She can like pretend she has a sense of humor. Yeah. And but she can act and junk. Yeah, but no, you get you get handsome guy getting murdered. And then the, you know, the chief of police. Yeah, it's Goran Visnijink was the guy who was the bad guy on it. I have no, he was on the ER. Yeah, yeah, he's for most of ER. Yeah. I have a super handsome guy. Okay. With a little bit of a these kind of accent. Yeah, yeah. That guy. Oh, okay. I think I know who you know. Johnny, his Croatian. Yeah. He played Dr. Luca Kovak. Okay. Yeah. But I think he's in a lot of other things where he kind of plays a handsome. It's also in TV series Timeless. Yeah, he's in the

1:21:30girl with a dragon tattoo. He's in the movie Electra. Okay, yeah, that's a winner. He was in the movie, not the TV show, a peacemaker. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, no, he's a, yeah, he was all over ER. He was one of the actors. He was the guy in ER after Clooney left. Jump ship. Yeah. To, you know, be famous and do practical jokes on people and sell coffee. He had to do something. You do. You do have to sit around the house all the time. Exactly. All right. That's just filmography. But have a TV TV ER. He was on, yeah, he was on it from 99 to 2008. What? Yeah. It's a fair amount of time. Yep. Doing a TV show that probably does 45 episodes a year. Well, he did 185 episodes. Wow. He's also, oh, okay. He was in Doctor Who. Okay. Play Tesla. Tesla. Okay. I think I'm gonna say he played, play Tesla. No. He's also in the series The Boys. The Boys. Alistair, Adana. I haven't really been watching the boys. I don't. Yeah. I watched a couple,

1:22:34a couple of seasons and I said to myself, you know, and I'm like, getting from the show? Enjoyment. Do you know what's better than it should be? What's that? Lanterns. Okay. Yeah, especially the last episode. Pia was like with me when I was watching the third episode and I was like, I don't know if she's gonna be on board with us. But it was a really good episode. I was like, geez, those are really good episodes. Okay. Laura Lennie was in it and she's really good. Everyone's good. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than it should be. Oh, good. A little bit of a looksy. It's grounded. Grounded. You know what? It's got horses in it. There's horses. Okay. So there you go. The selling point. That's the selling point in your house. I know. Yeah. Just like, just tap it on the background. There's just some horses on the team. I don't really do background TV, but okay. Okay. No, no, not for, not for you. Oh, okay. For anyone who's walking through the room. Oh, I see this. Yeah. Just watch the show that takes place mostly at a ranch. Yeah. Yeah. With a bunch of horses. Sure. Anyway, I think it might be about, what's about, uh, green lanterns maybe, and horses. Yeah. And the guy who's got a horse ranch. And there you go. Yeah. Good stuff.

1:23:36Well, I'll give it a watch. Please do. I have not been, I've been watching Ted Lasso, which is kind of disappointing. Yeah. I kind of, I kind of, yeah. Yeah. I haven't been watching because I kind of really liked how it ended. And so yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. But I heard, I heard through the grapevine, IE, my daughter Mary, that the original series was ended by by Jason Cedacus early. Like they had planned for another season and they decided didn't want to do it. And so they had to like rush all these storylines into this one season. And then, and then there was over then a couple of years later, he's like, well, let's do it again. And then, uh, his name Bill Lawrence, he do also did scrubs and stuff like that. Now he's redoing scrubs. So he's like, well, so I guess he had a falling load over this because he's kind of like, well, I'm sort of busy right now. I can't, I can't do Ted Lasso and then so he goes like, well, I'm gonna do it anyway. So, so yeah. But I just feel like one, at least the point of this, though, is that his voice is different in the show. He's doing like a different voice. Like his, that last of voices changed. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, which is weird. And kind of points to something

1:24:38like maybe you don't have a handle on the character anymore if you've changed the voice a little bit. That's too bad. It's interesting. But yeah, I just feel like it'll wrap up. There's, in part, I like about it. There's parts I like about it. I do, I do enjoy like the, there's a actress playing like the woman coach on the team with them. And I do like her performers. I think she's quite good. But yeah, so much of the other parts of it are just like the same old, same old. You know, like just the, you know, it's the same jokes, the same, everything's the same. You know, and they just kind of like, well, what's the point? Like, what are you doing this? Yeah. Why am I watching this is why I asked myself. And then we've been watching Reachers as well. I do, I do like these shows that are out come out once a week. That's the only thing I like about them is that they're, they're not all available at the same time. So I have to like wait to watch them. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm enjoying it with, with lanterns, which normally I would be like, I just want to watch them all. Wonderman style. But yeah, it's just nice seeing it. It's very, you know, people compared it to true detective. But I think it's because yeah, they are solving

1:25:38like a mystery slowly. But then, you know, some crazy ass shit happens too. Because, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's true detective. Crazy ass stuff happens. Crazy ass stuff does happen. Yeah. I know we don't have letters this week. We have no letters at all. Because. Very disappointing. The listeners this week. But I do have a, let me just throw a question now that I'm thinking about it. Okay. We talk about like, what, what TV show has done the best relaunch or redo as in like Twin Peaks or. Yeah, yeah. That's a great one. Yeah. That's a great example of a big success right there. Right. Like, like, like, now it's a little, but it could also be, you know, a fresh take on something. Okay. But yeah, what's what TV series has come back? So you're like, oh, that's good. So you're really excited about the, the, the, the, the new Rockefeller Files coming out with David. Oh, yeah. Oriannes. You know what? I'm very excited about the new Rockford Files that I didn't realize was on prime that you told me about last week. Now I can watch them. It'll be new to me because I

1:26:41don't remember them all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking again. I was, I was sure you, you haven't seen them all. I, my wife, I was talking to her about Rockford Files going like thinking, she probably doesn't like Rockford Files. She was like, no, I was like the Rockford Files. But you know, it was always my dad watching them and I didn't want to watch them with my dad. Yeah. So it was like, okay, well, you can watch them with me now. Yeah. So I should venture that. One thing that David M. friend, my friend David M. Every time we mentioned David M, please buy a no fun album. Yes, please go to Bandcamp to the new fun page. Yeah. And I'm not talking the, the Josh Johnson Bandcamp. So yeah. Don't do that. Oh, you could do that. But do both. That's what it's called. Bandcamp. I think so. Yeah. You look so nicely. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a loss to like in the making that David could really like catch him. So, uh, but anyway, we're just talking about Rockford Files one time. And he said, well, look, the thing about the Rockford Files is you can never guess where the story is going. Mm-hmm. It's never like cliché. It always has like a twist that you didn't see coming.

1:27:41For the most part, I do, you know, obviously there's something that are a little cornyer than others, but yeah, I think he's right. Like for the most part, you watch it. You're just like, I have no idea what's coming or why or what's going on. Yeah. You know, no, that's a good point. Ah, like Rockford. And one thing about the Rockford Files is that if you watch, if you watch the shows, there's one person who gets credited with a bunch of the stories for the show. And I guess when they're developing it, Roy Huggins, the co-creator of the show, he hired this guy just to write a whole bunch of plots. Is that just why he'd write like a bunch of plots? And so this guy just like, you know, just outlined a whole bunch of plots for stories. And then they just took all those plots and then made them into stories. Yeah, with a fun gig. It's like, that's the best way to write something good is write so many things. Yeah, yeah. And be kind of like locked into like a formula to do it as well so that you're, yeah, yeah. Oh, that sounds fun. What a dream gig. Mm, right about to plot. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:28:42So almost as good as right a bunch of jokes. Right a hundred jokes. Oh, okay. No, no, no. So why is that a dream? Because it's just because it's not one thing that you're picking a part until it like it's something. Yeah, yeah. It's like, so you're just going to whip in through it real fast. Yeah, yeah. It's like if you had to draw like 20 drawings, you know, it's easier to draw in one drawing because the one drawing you got to get everything just right. But by the seventh drawing you're drawing, it's like, fuck it. Let's just keep, let's just, I got to get through these. Yeah. And then you'll end up with like a couple that are really, really good. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I did a challenge for myself a while back where it was like a hundred log lines. So I made up a hundred plots for movies. Okay. Yeah. And it was like they had to be grabby log lines. Ba da da da da da da da da da da da da da da ba da ba da ba ba da ba da da da da da da. Okay. It's like yeah. So and yeah, by the time you get to like the 30th one you're giddy and just like the moment of this. And then you slow down again. Like I can't do it just anything.

1:29:44Yeah. Think of anything. Yeah. Yeah. Guy gets an elephant. Why is he getting an elephant? Because the circus left town and the left and elephant behind. Okay. And so he's got to take care of this elephant until he can get it to the circus. Okay. So he's got to keep it in his backyard. This sounds like the next vehicle for that, like I did this is the breadwinner. Can't remember the new thing. Oh, I wrote something for him. Oh, really? Yeah. That was one of the things that I, I, okay. Because I found out don't steal my idea. Come here, guys. Come here, D&B with me. So Nate Bergazzi. His father is a magician. Oh, I didn't. I thought to myself. Yeah. He used to like tour with his father and help him with his act. And I thought like, oh, that's cool. So I was thinking like if you were writing a thing for Nate Bergazzi, yeah. Good. Well, that. So it was like Nate the great. What if what if he wanted to break up with his dad's act and do his own thing and his dad was, you know, seemingly upset about this. Yeah. And so one night while they're setting up like for the final show they're doing, sure, dad vanishes. And it's like,

1:30:47where'd dad go? And it's like dad's gone. And it's like, well, what happened? And then he gets like some notes just like your dad had some enemies. And they were magicians. Oh. And so any one of these could have made him vanish. Yeah. And so he got has to go on a road trip to basically find out what happened to his dad. And along along the way, he meets four different very different types of magic acts. And and doing so learns about his dad. And he always thought like his dad was very selfish and didn't care about his son. And he finds out that like, oh, no, he would talk about him all the time. And he did so much of this stuff for him. Yeah. And yeah, he was an a perfect person. But blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's all these different different scenarios. And then there's a big twist at the end. I'm not going to say. Yeah. But yeah, it was like, don't don't. It was a road, it was a road movie involving four different types of magicians. One person's like a big as he type type one type. Like a con guy doing three cards, Monty on the street. One side's a birthday musician. Yeah. And the fourth is I can't remember. See David Blanky is he buried in the ground. He's talking to

1:31:51through a two. There was a guy. There was a guy who was kind of a Blaney type guy who was a stunty musician as well. Yeah, fun. And so each of those then of course has their own thing. Cause well, I'm trying to remember the name of the movie that was Tilioni and Ben Stiller, where it's a road movie where he's trying to find out about his birth parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I always saw that one. And I went like, boy, that's a nice dynamic. Cause then you also can have really good actors in short segments that still move the story forward. But the each can do a lot. And also you can go kind of extreme. Cause you're only seeing these people for a short amount of time. So you're not like, this is getting old after half hours. Like no, no, it's just about 20 minutes with these interesting, weird characters that you know, I have all in wrong name. But yeah, it's like something to something or whatever. Like, yeah, I can't remember it was now. Yeah, there's no way I could ever. No, you could look up Tilioni. She did, she did waitless movies. Yeah, no knock on her, but that's a question. Did a lot of good stuff too. Yes, she did. Yeah, how

1:32:52dare you. And she's back again, acting. Is she? Yeah, good for her. Yeah, I like it. So I have just given a question. Do you have a question for the nice? All I do have a question because this sort of relates, it's something that came up came to mind because we were talking, I was just talking a little while ago about while talking to you before the show started this letting you know that Mary had got a permanent position as a teacher. Mary, the co-host of fan's plans, the co-host of fan's planers has got a permanent position as a teacher in her district where she lives in Chiloak, which is not close to Vancouver, but it's close to where I live and Alder Grove. And close to an airport. And she, and I just, and you said, oh, you didn't know she lived in Chiloak, but she lives in Chiloak. She and Eve lived together in Chiloak. Eve, the announcer for Sinky Dragon That's right. And has filled in on that show and on Sinky Dragon as well. And so I was thinking about that because I was thinking it's interesting that my daughter is well growing up never fought, never had fights with each other. I was, I was going along with each other, moved out together,

1:33:56lived, lived together now for five years or so, five or more years. You and your brothers never fight and then you go out and you decide, let's all get a house. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, they lived together in a, they lived together in a basement suite, then they moved into a townhouse. And now they live in a small house. It's a very small house with three people. And I know that Mary felt like she was, she was a kind of a third wheel in the situation because it's even her boyfriend. But what was nice was I, this, this, this, this did get passed on to Mary was that when I was talking to Eve's intended when he was asking my permission, I put it down quotations. Because you're in 1956. Because I have a 1956 content. I spoke to pipe when he did this. But he did say like, he did say like he loves, he loves our family. Yeah. And he loves Mary. He loves living in, and he just said, which he said she's so important for us, you know, and so I passed on to Mary because I know that she's felt awkward about living there and she was like, so

1:34:56happy to hear that. No, that's so nice. You know, but it's just amazing to me how well I'm. Good on you also for passing that along. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love to pass along compliments. So I was going to ask, are you close to your siblings? I'm closer to, okay. Since since my, okay, I got one sister that's two years younger, one sister that's nine years younger. Yes. I'm closer emotionally to the nine years younger one. Okay. And over time, she has revealed things to me that I met a lot to her when I would when we were growing up in a way that I didn't realize which was nice. That's this. Because then she felt like, I feel like we were to say it, but like that I was a protector during some tough times and whatever. And I was feel like I didn't do enough, you know, I wish I could have done more because again, we've talked about this usually assembling that has a rough go. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all the reasons. That's all I'll say about that. She had reasons. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. There's always a reason. But my sister who was two

1:35:58years younger, oh, like just kind of like, kind of like, kind of like, so that your host when you're a teenager, remember it all. She was like, she was like the Lucy in the house. Yeah. And you know, around things and whatnot. But since she had my niece and nephew, we've been a lot closer because I've got a reason to go over there. Yeah. And I'm very close to them. Yeah. And you know, we've had Christmas dinners and whatnot that I've held here. And one of the bridge. So water into the bridge. One of the nice things, much like your kind of thing with this, your future son-in-law, was I invited my friend Scott, who used to live behind us here over for Christmas once. It was kind of orphans Christmas. It was like coming over every place to go. And he and it was when my niece and nephew were here and everything. And he said, like, I don't want to seem like I was a creep. But like, I was looking through the windows that you guys and you were all so happy together

1:37:00in laughing and just having such a great time. I just want, I just want to watch this. And it was like such an unusual thing and then brought them in and immediately like brought them into the group and they all go along with him and you got along with them. I just went like, you've got such a great relationship with your family. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, now. There's reason because yeah, because we actively tried to do things with my niece and nephew where yeah, we just like actively tried to like be there. You know, we weren't there a lot. But like, anytime we were there with them, we were there with them and cared about them and cared about what they had to say. And it's sometimes funny when I know you're asking about siblings more than you were asking about this. But like, yes, yeah, so I'm sorry to be going off on, on a tangent on this show. Yeah. And I'm like losing, I'm losing what the, what the tangent is. But like, we always wanted to make sure that they felt, you know, we were really glad to be around them. Oh, I know what it was.

1:38:00There's times sometimes when I go over to their place and they'll be acting cool off the top. Yeah. And I mean that in every way. Like, they're like, yeah, I'm a cool guy. Yeah, my nephew. And he's a cool guy. But like, by halfway through, it's goofball time, which is all goofs. We're having a good time. Yeah. And like, it's interesting sometimes when he'll do a joke and you'll tell that it's not landing with the family, but it's landing with me and it's landing with Pia. And it's like, no, that's a good joke. Like, I understand this isn't the kind of joke that your parents will laugh. And that's just all the joke. That's fine. And like, we'll build on that joke and we'll reward that kind of thing where I would normally be, you know, what, let's, I don't know if I say what his name is, but let's say it was Steve, it would be Steve. And like, you know, the mom would be Steve. Yeah. Steve. We're having a nice dinner here doing your joke about the thing. And it's like, no, it's a, it's all joke, Steve. Yeah, it's a good, it's a good one. Sorry. I don't build on that joke and we'll just might, yeah. But as to am I close with my siblings, I'm closer with my two-year

1:39:06younger sister now because of the family. The other one is like far away now, but at Vernon, it's not that far, but it's far enough. It's pretty far. Yeah. Yeah. See them. But yeah, I'm mostly very close. Yeah. That's good. I love her very, very much. That's good. I love them both. That, you know, listeners know my, my answer, but I'm interested in your answer, listeners. And to give us your answer, you can go to the website, which is sneakydragon.com. There you will find this episode. And you can leave your responses underneath it. We look forward to hearing from you. As the rain just turns into sheet rain. Oh, great. That's Dave's going to go outside in the, in my t-shirt. So, I didn't ring a jacket with me. That's so sorry. Sorry, sorry. It's summertime. It's so hard to plan for rain. It's a little bit of a picture jump and day is all wet. You can, if you'd like to, you can email us at sneakyd at sneakedragon.com. That's your email address. Hey, we're on Blue Sky, we're on Facebook, we are on Tumblr. These are possible ways to

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