Say what? Ep 3403

0:00Welcome back to Challenges of Faith Radio Program. I'm Gary McCann. Thank you for joining me. Here on episode 3400 in three, say what? According to futurism, anthropic says, it stops several instances of foreign scientists using its AI agents to create possible biological weapons to New York Times report. And I know you've been watching the news here and about it. The alarming news was revealed in the nothing report released by the claw chat bot maker this past Thursday. Notably it comes amid heightened AI safety concerns again after a former anthropic employee accused the company of real responsibility building powerful AI systems despite knowing their destructive. According to the report,

1:00scientists in several countries where anthropic has blocked access to its models, subverted these controls and tried to offskate the purpose of their research to invade our safeguards. In one case in May, a scientist asked Claude to help write an application to receive a state sponsored grant for an eyebrow raising project to engineer more harmful mutations of the mosquito born virus which can cause fever and be bilitating joint pain. The project anthropic beliefs was intended to be carried out as a military research institute. What we don't know is if the research was meant to be weaponized, Jake and Clan and anthropics had a threat intelligence told the New York Times. But a military institution doing gain of function research is concerning he added. Referring to research that seeks to enhance or add to the

2:03biological capabilities of organisms and pathogens. The company documented four other similar cases where scientists evaded its guardrails to pursue shaded biological research. It banned all of the offending accounts. But as with the mosquito virus case, anthropic couldn't defendably determine if these inquires was part of legitimate research on attempt to engineer bio weapons. It none of the less chose to air on the side of Carson. Glad idea. You're not seeing someone in a comic book kind of way say hey I want to build a biological weapon to kill everybody. Clan told the New York Times is an incredible new on situation. For years now the AI industry has warned of the risk of AI being used to create bio weapons including anthropic CEO CEO Deerelle Amadi. In a

3:12lengthy essay published earlier this year, Amadi vowed that the company was constantly improving its guardrails to prevent models from assisting with bio weapon research and opined legislation and international cooperation. Was necessary to mitigate the risks still while anthropic claims had awarded these misuse of this models. The newscast down on whether and other AI companies can guarantee the responsible use of its tech. By the company's own admission is safe guards fail. Potentially leaving the door wide over for other bad actors in the future. In short if these state actors were indeed looking to craft bio weapons it's a dramatic escalation suggesting we're edging closer to a catastrophe. That's of course if general purpose models like anthropics

4:14are capable enough to menically assist these dangerous efforts amid the heightened safety debate. The company has faced accusations of fear mungering among this own tech as a market impacted. Some experts have the mind that the threat is very much already real they should be. Andrew Weber a senior fellow on the Council of Strategic Risk who reviewed anthropic report of head of its release told the New York Times that its findings were chilling examples of state sponsored biological weapons developers tapping into the rapidly advancing capabilities of frontier AI models. Are you listening? Are you running around doubtful or all call it the own little world wherever your world happens to be? Do you even know what's going on outside your home? Your place of worship your job you name it. Do you really know what's going on? You know

5:19the question was asked what does NVIDIA have to do with AI? Well remember last week where an anthropic employee said there was more than a 10-cent chance that AI would destroy humanity. You remember? There remember that research at Jacob Cox and remember how you said that the company was racing to develop super intelligence despite knowing that civilization is at stake and to think about that. Think about whether scientists trying to play a little G gun or individuals designed power the love of money the love of titles all temporary but Jacob's concerns were echoed by two current employees and the question to ask the answer well AI in humanity what do you think those of you who are of non-faith those of you who are afraid in God well some employees of leading AI from anthropic seem to think so say what one said that there's a 10% chance that

6:22this would happen within the next decade and another quit not just Jacob the company and protest that anthropic and his rival open AI are gambling with our lives and again this comes after the video boss Jensen hung dropped the AGI bomb claiming that open AI's newest model Astro has reached our artificial intelligence which is the next stage of AI development the now former anthropic employees that the people building AI earnestly believe the technology could wipe out humanity by the end of the decade are they still working on it if they really believe why they're still there this is the love of money tied away if anything many executives and senior researchers will cast their phrasing in the news media the sound sensible but I hear the same people expressing fear privately come on now stand up

7:27no other human activity poses this love or danger Jacob Cox and wrote AI executives have long claimed that AI will either bring super abundance or cause mass disruptions not really not the destruction of humanity sound like the actors abroad is trying to do harm here in the United States believe so as well remember now Cox and also said that many at open AI have not deeply internalized the civilization states while people anthropic understood the risk for a locked in a race to get there first because they take no one else has developed an AI responsibly but that's good in one hand to be ahead of your enemies your two-laying enemies that you know trying to harm it that you know trying to destroy you irrespective of the skin done irrespective of your financial status and life where you live it on the globe what was interesting is

8:34that hours after Cox and had now since resignation that another re-talker another anthropic researcher Evan Humbinger wrote on X that people in the community the company do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans within the next decade was that telling confirmation given the scenario for 10% chance he said that I believe anthropic is trying his best but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligence and are not clear the own threat to he wrote however neither Cox and nor Humbinger explain how superintelligence to wipe out humanity always someone wanted to know whether they believe and isn't unromed with posing all those questions but at what point in time do you have enough evidence that is true but they used to say you know it was true that if you walk like a duck talk like a duck look like a duck then you must be

9:36I'm sure some of us will say something else but tell that to those trying to harm people all skin tones here in the United States and then you had another current anthropic employee Samuel Marx who works on safety research he joined a discussion on X saying that the more seniors the developer the more concerned they are the AI could cause human extinction in the next few years Marx explained that companies continue on developing risky AI due to a mixture of commercial incentives and a belief that they're in a race with other less responsible AI developers. Carson's warning is struck a court with former employees of other AI labs notice that all it took was one one person to stand up and speak out Alex Turner a former research scientist at Google Deep Mine who left the company in June 2026 remember I was on the September he confirmed that many

10:39researchers believe they're building something that could kill everyone on the planet and they're still building it was literally my last day on the job to think about how to stop that Turner wrote in his ex-posts this isn't the first very public departure from anthropic over security concern I know you was listening to the news a couple days ago where from a governmental standpoint they spoke about anthropic and something that they had to step in and stop but are you paying attention say what yeah are you and you and you paying attention are you or are you being distracted well you know the answer don't you I know you do