Rival Recon: Ipswich Away 26/27

0:00This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Hello everyone and welcome back to rival recon here on Amfield & Nex. I'm Harry Sathy. A livable head on the road this weekend for what promises to be a tricky away test, traveling down to Portman Road to take on newly promoted Ipswich Town. With Andoni Eriola's side looking to assert early season momentum, a show why they remain one of the most ruthless outlets in the country. Reds fans know all too well that heading to a ground buzzing with top flight excitement is never quite straightforward. The track the boys are now back amongst the Premier League elite, but this isn't just a side looking to make up the numbers. Under the stewardship of Gary O'Neill, they turned heads by spending around 200 million euros in the transfer window this summer to completely reshape their squad. With O'Neill at the helm in a raft and new high profile arrivals, Eka to Gel, Friday evenings game represents a massive collision between an established team and livable, still trying to find their feet under a new manager and a club bursting with newfound resources and belief.

1:03Joining me on the port of Enders is insight into what life looks like at Portman Road right now and how the new signings are bedding in under Gary O'Neill. I'm delighted to welcome on Dave from the Blue Monday podcast to give us his insight into what we should expect. Welcome back Dave. Good to chat with you again. Did we just say it's been a while? Well, yeah, we had a bit of a high-eat-is-lile season back in the championship, didn't we? Yeah, and they're back again. I suppose given it so early in the season, actually, you've probably still okay for us to speak about our last season, finishing second, getting promoted. Undercaran McKenna, I mean, I really, really interested to hear your perspective on how that season went and then the decision that McKenna ends up making, right, which is to kind of step away from football management for a little bit at the end of the season. Interesting timing for him to do it, but I think probably more managers should do it every now and

2:04then, but yeah, just give us your feeling on the season as a whole and then I still have a feeling. I mean, I think it goes back to getting promotion from what three things are going out, getting promotion lead one through to the championship, getting promoted right through to OSE, lead one to the championship first season, finishing second, getting promoted to the premier. I don't think we were really prepared for that, that was certainly not the actual five-year sort of plan, but obviously you've got to take it. And really, do you know what, I think that year year we had an appointment for McKenna was a bit of a free hit really, as I said, it happened too quickly. Yeah, one reason, I think we signed a wrong profile of player, but you know, I mean, even when we were struggling, Cranky, we didn't win our first game to 11 games in, we only won four games all season, but McKenna had enough, obviously, credit in the tank, in the bank from obviously the lead

3:05one promotion, the championship promotion, for almost that season, Thripswicks to be a free hit as such. So very much when we got relegated at the end of 23-24, wasn't it 24-25? Yeah, years of level up now, 24-25 wasn't it? When we got relegated, the real pressure was on McKenna to get us straight back up, and I think you could see that last season at times, and you know, yeah, we achieved the not plan, perhaps the flamboyant football we played in the championship, two scenes before, as people obviously, I think we're a bit of a surprise package then, and people much more aware of us, and how we like to play, perhaps, expansive football. So it was a much more pragmatic approach, I'd say, last season, and then we looked in the end we got up, and you can see at the end of the season, the pressure, he just, there was so much pressure on him to get us straight back up, he looked, he looked unwell to be fair, I think he looked gone, obviously, he looked very, very relieved. So yeah, honestly, he's obviously in a position, I think there's

4:09no secret, he was better paid, and then most of them sort of say, most half, the perhaps the managers last season, half the managers in the Premier League, so obviously, money wasn't really a factor for him, and I just think the pressure was there as like a safety valve sort of removed once, once he achieved promotion, and I think he took what virtually a month, wasn't it? I believe yeah, mid-June, and decided to walk away, yeah, it was shock, I think disappointment, I think I've switched fans at all of Lightning, they had another go, but yeah, you know, he's got to do right for himself, and obviously he's got a quite young family for his family also. I actually saw him about, or six weeks after that, so it's not supposed to be about a month ago, aroundip switch, and obviously being on holiday, you look fit and well and tanned and stuff, so yeah, so effectively, he's on, you know, what you have in the office, like I guess you'd call it garden, leave at the moment with it, switch where, he's sought undercut not to work for anybody for for 12 months, if someone comes in, so many takes a job within 12 months, and I think, I think it's

5:12a well-coded figure of eight million compensation due to us, so yeah, I mean, there's all sorts of I mean, the one the popular vote from a Kirin is perhaps from Kirin and from a Kenner is when perhaps a Neil goes from Celtic and the end of this season, that sort of job he would perhaps walk into there, but yeah, we'll see, so getting back to the last season, yeah, it was it was a struggle at times, but just did enough to get over the line and yeah, certainly, in this trial and so window, we've certainly no one can accuse us of not going for it, I don't think. No, and I think, like I was saying, I think more managers should probably be honest with themselves right about their capacity, their energy to keep going. I'm always slightly suspicious if I see a manager who's been at a club for a few years and still looks, he's actually the same, if not better, then he did when he started, I mean, I mean, Liverpool fans definitely know that as much as we hated it, I think we could all respect his decision in terms of club by a tiny,

6:17he was, he was ready to go and yeah, he said, yeah, like, you know, run out of energy and then just similar to your story where you mentioned, you said, seeing the Kenner six weeks ago, so I just remembered, like just being really quite quick, like you see the photos of club after you've been on holiday for a little pressure. Yeah, he just looked, looked 10 years younger, and I was like, oh, okay, it's really, it doesn't go better and I'm not surprised that he waited until a job like and I guess also when he looked at it, I mean, it was a fact he was stinking further into this season, look, and we could conceivably be, but he could have taken this into this season and got the support, the own eels got support, you know, with the finance, whether for the players, you know, quite conceivably, he could have been bottom or bottom three at December, you know, kind of new year, and the board would have had to do something, you know, the, you know, the youngness would have had to do something and probably would have looked elsewhere, so at least not only the considerable pressure was in last season, he's now, you know, left and I said he's

7:20looking relaxed now, for him thinking further ahead of his career, he hasn't got that potential plot on the CV of a second. No, exactly, he avoids that as well, and you mentioned Gary O'Neill who of course was like, yeah, signed the deal to come in. What were your thoughts on him as a choice for that role? And as you said, like, he's been backed heavily in the windows, so obviously, you'd sort of see if he's, if those signings have signalled a move away from what you saw before. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, at the time we were linked with all sorts, I mean, crikey, there was talk of Poster Cogloo and Solbsha who only got a Solbsha, I think was interviewed, I think that was right. All perhaps sort of sexy and that aims and Gary O'Neill, but I think we've probably done the best we could have done. Gary O'Neill, a little sour, it's faced with some supporters because he played for Norwich of course, but anyway, goodbye, goodbye. On his CV, he has kept teams up, he kept ball with up, he kept wolves up, that perhaps second season

8:21with wolves where ironically, it was after a defeat by us around about Christmas time, one of our four wins that he got, he got can from wolves, but I think there was a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes with players there. Obviously, the coach has got to carry some of the, carry some of the blame, but I think there was more more than meets the eye happening behind the scenes at wolves that that season. So he was a striz ball last year, did fairly, well with striz ball last year and yeah, I think probably the best appointment, for experience, why is we perhaps could have got. Yeah, and as you said, heavily backed in the transfer market, I mean after we signed what Zian Fleming just before the window, a couple of days ago, I mean, let's take an hour, I mean, let's take an hour spending over 200 million, I think, for the, and it's the different profile of player, we'll get onto that in a minute, where last time, I think we spent something like circa 120 million, I think when we came up last time, which is still a

9:21bigger whack, but you know, different profile of player, we was kind of then signing the sort of cream of the championship, the cream of the crop of the championship players of that previous season, you know, the likes of, you know, the likes of delab, the likes of, um, sandwich, jack of grieves, people like that, um, you know, with that, with, you know, perhaps a bit of a punk, where, you know, staying, you know, to stay up with those players, but yeah, clearly, clearly, it didn't work. So what we've done this time, we've signed players with the right profile, both experience and yeah, and what we suffered with last time was basically physicality in athleticism, with, and a lot of those games in the Premier League two scenes ago, we've almost been before we started, she's by sheer physicality of other teams. Yeah, I think it's like looking at the players who've come in is interesting mix, you know, of profiles, because you sometimes see like, yeah, if a club's policy is, you know, by young cell, once they develop, etc, there are some young guys in there for sure, and some exciting ones are certainly I think in CSO and, uh, for Tauwu,

10:23are like super exciting, um, yeah, talents, but then there's, as you said, there are other players in there who are further along in their careers to provide that experience and to provide that physicality as well. I mean, like, how happy are you with the window and like, what are the signs that you've been standing out for you? Yeah, excellent, absolutely. I think it's excellent. I think if we've been a bit churly, it's really perhaps I like the number center back in potentially, and maybe another right back, but, but no, I mean, crikey, we signed a World Cup winner, you know, Estecchio Palacios from Lava Coos, and I mean, I was waking up last week seeing these signers, I think, and I was in a parallel universe, it's just, it's town for God's sake. So I'll be signed in for, I think, the deal that we're ultimately end up with 25 million, and I think, you know, the main difference is even without him now, and in CSO, and also Flemmi, who's come in the last weeks of the window, when we lined up for the Sunderland game, um, two weeks ago, um, when you compare that to what was, or are you the first game of the season, the last last time against, against Liverpool, I think we,

11:24against Liverpool, we had a, the first 11 that started that day, we had a combined Premier League appearances of something like less than 30, and I think 25 of those, all around about that number was Axel Twanzé, it was ridiculous, and even before, you know, I say the like, I said, Placios, I played in Premier League, but then CSO has, and certainly Flemmi did last season before that Sunderland game, the 11 that played there was virtually 500 appearances, so, you know, you've gone from much more different profile, more experience, and as I said, bigger and more athletic, athletic players, um, I mean, today, you're one, yeah, the one that's decided, certainly against Sunderland, and against Manu on Saturday, actually, was yeah, Huli, I see so, who, who two seasons ago, we had on loan, we had on loan from Brighton, and you could see he had something then, but, and they come in a negative injuries and little beast, who he is older, now a little bit immature, um, and I think, I think you can see that in his play already, he didn't really know, upper scenes ago, he didn't really know when he should release, perhaps release the Bulba, he's got two assists already, you can see, he'll keep him fit, and he'll be super, um,

12:26Palacios, I mean, well cup winner in, well cup winner with Argentina, in the well cup squad, last time I think made one appearance in the well cup, a few weeks back, um, just an incredible sign, but again, experience players have signed two from full and it's a D.O.B and Sassalukic, D.O.B for nine, I think, Lukic for round about a little bit less than that, just experience, good Premier League signings, you know, I mean, so yeah, gone for a different certainly, different profile, but with a mix as well, and really light, as you said, Abdel, Fatsaluk, got absolutely pace to burn, yeah, again, you can see a little bit of naive inexperience in his play sometime, he's going to be one of these players who, who on the one minute, when in Furea, and the next minute will just light up a stadium, you know, he's one of those players, so exciting, and a good sign, I think we've got a young Brazilian in from Talu's, Emerson, who again, very raw, I think, how he played about less than 50 sort of like post-cast games,

13:27almost sort of thing, you know, at any sort of level, um, looked a bit raw, but against Sumbling, it really good, led the line well, six foot three, um, quite athletic, but unfortunately, start of the game gets manny, but picked up a knee injury, we're not sure how serious that is, I think we're going for another striker anyway, but just before the window closed, we've got Zian Fleming from them, the Dutch striker from Burnley, who again, 28, the experience played in the Premier last year, in a relegated side, I think it's called 12, 10-11-12 Premier League goals, so, um, and again, big sort of six foot two, six, you know, big lump, um, so yeah, you know, exciting, I mean, we just, I mean, it's, it's, it's almost run out, is this, players haven't even started yet, we signed from until you know, Louise, also some Burnley for 16 million, I think's had a, had a small injury, he hasn't started yet, Jagen Philligine, who I thought would leave, he stood around the club, I think he was looking for a move, um, then got a slight injury, so he's still in, you know, in the squad, so, exciting, exciting times, exciting times really.

14:30Yeah, and I think when, when clubs get promoted, I think, you know, sometimes you see like a couple different approaches, right, of like people who realize they need to overhaul the squad to, to be able to compete with, um, with Premier League sides and in the Premier League, and you mentioned their last time, right, last time round, the lack of Premier League experience, and that's definitely been addressed this time. The one thing that does stand out to me, I wonder if you're, if you have any concerns about it, it's just just a number of players who come in, right? It looks like that, maybe 14 players, if I was counting, four games. It's 14, I mean, it's just needed a massive overhaul, which is needed, I think, um, you know, probably regulars that, I mean, we've got a six foot nine, he's doing me, then got a six foot nine goldkeeper, shipping, um, absolutely tallist player in that, I think he is officially the tallest player in the Premier League, um, probably should be playing in the NBA. Is he good at that? Laming crosses? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, early days, I mean, I'll sort of, I've got a couple of times in preseason, he looked quite shaking, nervous, you could be annoyed by that, yeah?

15:34Yeah, but no, um, again, Sunderlin, he was good and, and look, we'll get into the man, you know, I game maybe in a bit, but um, the five we conceded on Sunday, I don't know if any really could be down to him at all. And I think, yeah, I think so much so we got like a 7.8 score on foot mob sort of thing, yeah, but conceded five goals. So yeah, he, he, he looked good. So I think he'll be, he'll be absolutely fine. Um, yes, I mean, he still got, um, as a matter of seawater, who was our player of the season last year, central midfielder, Beninji, that sort of fairly small, I think, minor rock in the close season, but hasn't featured in preseason, has a featured there. He's still in this squad. So we're building a squad, we're building a really, really what looks to be, you know, a nice squad, like I said, with the right profile. Um, I see it, well, it's quite fair. I see it on the side at Portman Road. So fairly, fairly close about that. Like half a half a, eight, nine, 10 rows back from the, um, from the touch line. And when the players, when the players walk out before the start, a couple of scenes ago, I was with my son and then we were both saying,

16:37it's just so much bigger than us, you know, bigger and you could see it just, but, and like I said, before, I think, I think obviously technical ability comes into it, but it's just got to be physical and athletic to compete in the Premier League. And I think we've signed the right profile of players this time. Yeah, no, I was noticing it. I think it's you in Liverpool's last game against Nottie and Forrest, just the size of Nottie and Forrest players to be honest, they're just huge with the pitch and, uh, quick as well, you know, there's a few moments where I think 10 years ago, in the Premier League, like your, your, your wing or your striker gets away from a slow centre back for it. Not anymore. Now, now, now they're six foot five and can, and can sprint as well. So, do you know what that's exactly what we said in the podcast actually about last time in the Premier, you know, last time in the Premier League, you'd have, Ironic, we perhaps saw that first day, it was interesting. First day against Liverpool before, um, um, I mean, slot very unfairly changed his tactics, but then first game against Liverpool, you had Van Dyke and you had, you had, no, you had Quencer actually. Yeah. Yeah. And Delab will lead Quencer all over all over Portman Road for that first half.

17:45However slot, then quickly swapped in for Canata, half time and he ate and do that. No, yeah, that's, that's, that's the thing I think that he's obviously moved on now, but I think Canata had his best year, like, kind of epitomises those new centre bags like, big athletes, can fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That can, can manage large spaces. Yeah. That's definitely what, what you need, um, or certainly a Liverpool to, to be kind of a centre back that's gonna, that's gonna work. Um, I suppose it, it doesn't like how Gary O'Neill setting you up, I mean, look, look like a 4-2-3-1, I mean, from the off anyway against, against United, uh, at the weekend. Um, what are the big shifts that you've noticed in terms of approach since O'Neill's coming in? How, how, how do you expect him to set up against Liverpool for a home game? I think I think of set up the same way as a high press. Certainly was a high press against Sumbler, maybe not quite so aggressive press against Manu on, on Slam Sunday, probably, it's really the fact. It's, it's quite fluid because, you know, it looks like you've got Daro Shae, he was, you know,

18:49a captain play, they've just sent the back, um, playing right back. So he's quite fluid. So sometimes for Tau will perhaps drop into that right back role when it does become a five and O'Neill kind of move across. So you have, so you have, at the moment, and I don't expect it to be any different. We'll have, uh, Sherwin will be in goal, but you'll have the back, the back four as it, as it would look would be O'Neill's, right back. It's a deop, he's a deop right side, Jacob Grieves left side and Leif Davis left. But like I said, that does become a fluid five when Fattaro, because you said it's got blind and pace, sometimes drop in there. So it's interesting. Yeah, a very aggressive, very aggressive press, I would say we had that with McKennava. I think even more so with O'Neill. So, yeah, not a whole, not a whole lot of difference other than, other than that really, and the, um, yeah, and the, the profile athletic season size of player really. Yeah, I think it's interesting this season. It does feel as though I'm not saying it's just the zone, but I think there's a lot of managers who seem to have probably taken more influence from

19:52the likes of club than, than, than Guardiola, right? And it's like high pressing, high tempo kind of approach. That's definitely kind of a little bit, obviously, what Eriola is looking to build. Yeah, we'll rebuild it. The Liverpool's actually become an interesting contest. I don't think Liverpool are are there yet and does getting that finely tuned and understanding the triggers and everything and getting up to that intensity. Um, and there's of course lots been made about some of the interesting holes in the Liverpool squad, uh, it's earlier like some of the concerns of right back and then, um, just how easy it's time to go through midfield. So, you know, what I would say, what I would say, I won't look, I mean, it would be quite nice to play Liverpool that last time. So we, we were probably a bit, we probably had the better of that first half if you remember that. That's the young. And then what happened, like I said, he took off Kainseh Poin Canata, which immediately kind of nully fly, delab, but then he, uh, did he push Trent about five, 10 yards further up and I don't know if I've ever seen a display passing like it. It was unbelievable that day. And then

20:52obviously, Salah, and then, obviously sadly, yeah, Jotter is, yeah, terrible Jotter as well. So, really, really, you know, very, very sad. Um, but yeah, second half, you, I think it was two, and yeah, I could have been four or five. It was, yeah, absolutely brilliant. But, yeah, Trent was playing right in front of me and just different, different class. Yeah, you saw, we saw, I think we came away that day, spring and off. And I did help where I'm next, bearing next to the game as main city away. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's obviously strange. It's sort of given how, how Trent's career currently is and does it sort of like maybe not being a first team, uh, credible, uh, choice out of Real Madrid. I think I think I'm obviously not featuring for England either. I think people do forget the talent that he does have. I think little, little fans haven't forgotten for sure, because I think there's, I think, do you think easily of people quickly or England, too? So perhaps quick to, perhaps focus on his deficiencies rather than his absolute abilities. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You could say he's not the, not the greatest defender, but

21:55the primate, Crucky makes up for it in other ways. I mean, some ways two players in one. Yeah, one of my favorite, probably one of my favorite, premier league players of the last 10 seasons, probably. No, listen, it'll be happy to hear that because I think you're right. I think, I think, I think a lot of it was often overstated around the defensive stuff. I think to, to, to my mind, because I saw him defend very well for a number of seasons, to me, it looked like motivation and kind of like I think that's because you were so good at the other stuff and he wanted to do more of that, I think at times, yet, sort of like really drill into him. You have to do the other stuff first. Yes. Yeah. And he just got distracted by it, but it's a livable fans for sure now, I think, given sort of friend pong being kind of a slightly round peg in that, in that square hole for, for right back come. And we're ready. We've already seen Sabazly move to right back in the second game of the season and considering we didn't sign one. So it's bad. I mean, you've got, I mean, I think you've got a great fallback, but obviously, you're like, I mean, Connor Bradley, I think. Connor has grown absolutely superb player, but fairly long term injury, hasn't it? It was a long term. Was he close? I don't know. Yeah. I think so he suffered a really bad injury last season. And

22:59from, from what I'd heard, it's the kind of injury where there's, there's not really a lot of, there's not really a lot of pressure. You can't, like, how you come back from that. How are you along? Yeah. So, so we're just trying to take our time. And then when he does come back, you know, you don't really want to put him under pressure. That, that, that's all the reason why I was, I was so behind us, signing another right back. So we didn't have to rush him back, but it appears as though that we've, we've not done that. And we seem to be thinking that he'll, you'll just come back, but he was a very different profile to, to try. Oh, yeah. God, I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, very, very run out of, very athletic. I saw him play for Bolton back in Lee one, about four, I see the go he was outstanding. And then you could see then you see what a player is. You could just see it. And also quite like questions, you know, on her case at left back. Yeah, for me, I don't think he started this season, particularly well, because I think that last season, I think he actually did quite well towards the end and seemed to understand what he

24:00was doing. I think the issue of a Liverpool in my mind seems to be balanced around, I know Eurela needs his full backs to go forward and be aggressive, but I feel because we've not got a defensive in the field. But one of them kind of needs to be willing to be a bit more like you'd danger first. And when you've got two wing backs just bomb forward, it sometimes they can look a little bit clunky. So I personally, I think Kirk has, we'll grow into it. I think he's not , oh, so I'm not going to let him feel the next term, you know, to, to help. Well, you think it's settled, settled now because obviously Eurela and the informist should be, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to ask you just a virtual game itself then. I mean, home game against Liverpool, I think Liverpool fans whilst delighted with, you know, like assigning like Barclone hoping that you can really light it up. What? Oh, do you think it'll start? He's starting to start. The press conference today, Eurela said he's fit and ready. So, oh no. So yeah, I think we probably

25:01won't be shy about throwing in it. Sorry, I mean, this is brilliant. Yeah, as an Ipswich fan, it's just brilliant, you know, just seeing these players is, is absolutely, you know, absolutely super. Yeah, perhaps a lot, I think it's bit more serious this time. Well, last time, like I said, to Eurela, it was, it was almost bit of a knoth for you really, but now, you know, seeing these players, it would be really interesting to see with this new squad we've got just how we, how we can, how we can beat. And I think, yeah, it's fully expected that we will, at least we got, I say, it was 11 games in top number way in November, mid November last time, we've got our first win, so very important that we got the win against Sunderland. And certainly, if you saw any of the game Sunday for the first 40 minutes, say we're in control, but we're more than holding our own create. I was, you know, asked like, from, from everything I heard, it sounded like before they made it to one, you were dominating that to, right? I was ain't dominating, but certainly the best chance is really good and see so is live leaving Gary Neville said first off and see so was the best plan on a pitch. And he probably was and it was just unfortunate that Nunez and midfield just slipped. It wasn't really, he was a bit got the ball under no pressure. We're, we're not

26:05going to write an attacking set. Oh, I remember it now. Yeah. Yeah. And the same he said, peace. And he's kind of, he's trying to shift the ball under his feet and slipped. And now I'm letting him, there's a lovely construct, letting Kunia and, you know, great ball to Fernandez, but the second goal was a killer with a handball from the choir. It was just a joke. It was an absolute joke. A VAR is just that I mean, Christ. Oh, it's, it's so bad. So, you know, if the shots on target is disallowed, but because the ball was going wide and it flicks in off the defender, it's just a joke. And they're trying to defend your accidental handball. It's clear handball. It's ridiculous. Anyway, I was on the pitch. That's a handball. I'm sorry. Um, absolute, absolute joke, but there you go. Yeah, they've never got night to be fair after that. I think that rattled us and we got loose for about 10, 10, 15 minutes. They scored another two. You know, you can't do that. You know, you've got to try and, I don't know, just to get that out, put that to one side, but I don't think we did. We got loose. Perhaps a little bit naive and yet you know, you know, I'd have got players for Nendez, mainly, you know, that we'll do that can do that, you know.

27:06So I suppose how are you feeling about then Friday night's some game? Because I think from a little bit, I do feel as though, um, given what you've told about the approach and everything, yes, it will have like this have have have have great quality in different areas, but a sign. Do you think that there is, um, there is a vulnerability about Liverpool still? Like you must be how confident are you feeling about actually? I'm really excited. I mean, really exciting. Portman Road under the lights, every 30,000 there, you know, Cabedo and Field is a tight little ground. Yeah, very old. Yeah, I'll say old traditional, you know, quite tight, tight ground, 30,000 brilliant atmosphere, including the Liverpool fans, that will sell out what, three thousand allocation no doubt. I mean, really looking forward to it. Um, you just don't know. It's a sort of game like we're so many of these games last, last time in the Premier looking forward to them. And then all of a sudden the game runs starts, you know, you can see the goal and then can see one quickly after the game just runs away from me, you know, it's I don't know, but yeah, excited,

28:07you know, excited to see Palacios, you know, the Argentinian start, he's first game, I think, as nailed on he'll start in sentiment field. I think Fleming is going to start, no, I'll expect him to start up top. So yeah, going to be going to be an exciting game. Um, and to be fair, I think we, so we start with Sunderland Manu, Liverpool, the next few weeks, no particular order, we got all of them, I think Palace and Forest, I think. So they're really the games along with Sunderland that you're looking to take points from. Yeah, anything we get tomorrow and anything we get from tomorrow and I is it is a buttonless, you know, it is, it just is. So really, you're looking at getting your points from hopefully the two other two relegated, other two promoted sides, although, how long, bombing the other two relegated sides and and those sides like Palace, like full and like Forest sides like that, really. Yeah, no, it makes sense. I think it's, it's I expect a game with goals, I think I don't expect it to be a timid game at all.

29:10No, no, no, I'm just looking forward to seeing, obviously, it's which, you know, want to see it switch win, but yeah, it is looking forward to seeing, seeing Liverpool, seeing Bacola, yeah, I believe it will. Yeah, it's going to be, we're still adjusting, right, to sort of life without people like Salar on the pitch and you know, you just ask, you still ask fan, but who are you like not looking forward to facing them? I remember asking people that question, I'm going, well, it's not really easy, is it a saddo or Bobby or Moe and like, they've now all gone, so it's it's for these new guys to become those feared, those feared forwards. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a bit of an un, kind of an unknown quantity, really, Bacola starts where we pay I mean, I don't know, I think Vert's has been playing fairly regularly this season, but yeah, sort of a bit of a, you know, again, a nervy draw, you know, came from behind again against Boris last Saturday, you know, he's at as well, who's like, you know, I think it's like, oh, forgot about me, if you can unlock him, then surely things, it's for now quickly, he's become like a little bit

30:16forgotten, actually, well, you could potentially have a front two at some point or a front of a nine and a ten if Bacola plays there, worth, well, we're not worth 250 million. Yes, we're very aware, yeah, I think very aware, I mean, that just puts it, you know, kind of puts it perspective, really, but no, really, you know, really looking forward to the game, and like I said, you know, anything we get out tomorrow is an absolute, absolute bonus, but yeah, no, I think we'll give it a go, and I know that you'll see a sitting back, it will be a, or as soon will be another high press, and then yeah, very, sort of energetic. Yeah, yeah, no, that's what I'm expecting anyway, and anyway, David, conscious of time, I'll let you go, but yeah, thank you so much for coming on and just giving us your thoughts on what I think is going to be a really entertaining season for, for, I'm sorry, but also, yeah, pretty frenetic game as well, given some of the characters that are on that pitch, so yeah, looking forward to it. Thank you so much. Good speech, you know, problem

31:16at all anytime. Cheers.