Playin' Possum: Crimes around George Jones

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3:05Just man hosting over here. Sorry. Gentlemen hosting. Host-maxing? Yeah. No, host-maxing. You're with a hammer in my hand. Of course. I love that for you. Do you know what's ridiculous? You just hit your temple, though. Yes. Yes. I do. Sometimes you try to explain to somebody about something you saw online. In my case, usually it's going to be like a skater, a tweeter, whatever, a post. And I'm like, oh. And they're not, they're not one of your friends who are ever online. Sure. And I'm sure you have some of those, right? Yeah. And you're trying to, you sound like you're like, I sound insane, right? Yes. So I've now started taking screenshots so that I can show them the, like the post that I want. Okay. So I'm trying to remember it and then look finding it. Right, right. So I found one that I wanted to share with you because this reminds me of our conversations about encased meats. And I often want to bring it up whenever we're talking about encased meats. Yes. So. Which is often. It's far more often than my other friends. So. So this, the, the, the, the post is by C joiner and it's a classic.

4:05Yeah. The post says, assign in the window reads cured meats inside a salami takes his first steps since the accident. A prosciutto learns to forgive. I just absolutely love it. I see you have a prosciutto learning. Yeah. It kills me every time. I have served it. I have served comedy is what is giving me life right now that keeps me going. Yeah. I was at a bar that was having a birthday for a dog. And I was trying to explain to my friend. Yeah. I didn't know the dog. But I was there at the bar when the party was going down. So I took photos of it. And I was like, oh, yeah. What's the dog's name? And I was like, they pointed at the sign. I'm like, oh, it's pretty big. I should have seen that. It's like, happy birthday, lady. And I was like, oh. Couldn't have been anybody. I thought that could have been. Yeah. Pretty much anyone in here. So yeah, there you go. Three-diculous, huh? Three-diculous. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

5:05I would love it. Messing with no-show Jones. What? What? This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous cabers, heists, and cons. It's always 99% murder-free and 100% Ridiculous. No, you done heard that. Oh, I done heard it. Did you have a grapevine? Yeah. You and I have an affinity, not just for encased meats. Yes. But for outlaw country music. Oh, my God, yes. Yeah, the soul of my soul. Wailing Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Merrill Haggard, Hague Williams Jr. No, yeah. AKA Bulls. Not so much David Allen Co. But all the rest. I like David Allen Co. Yeah, I know.

6:05But I like when we hold. The Wailing, yeah. Yeah, Jr. Calls himself a bossy. Oh, my God. I was about to bring that up. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. Chris Pistofferson, he calls up in there. Oh, 100%. So it's a... What do you call it? Jesse Coulter? I mean, let's not leave her out. Yes. So it's a 70s subgenre of country music, in essence. Anti-establishment, rebellious, stripped-down sound. Outside of Nashville. Yes. Gritty lyrics. It's not polished up. It's very real. These are the guys who are fighting against Nashville for the soul of countries. Yes. They wanted to save the soul of traditionalist country. So Willie, Willie started out with traditionalist honky-tonk roadhouse. Yeah, Kapoo. And then Nashville got slick and glossy. He went outlawed. Shotgun, Willie. Yeah. So the original traditionalists are folks like Hank Williams, Buccoins, Loretta Lynn, and Merle. I'll put Merle back into that. Did you put Jimmy Rogers in there? Oh, yeah. And then Jimmy Rogers. And we can't forget George Jones.

7:05Oh, my God, yeah. Right. So while he fell more into the traditionalist camp rather than outlaw, the guy lived the life of a country outlaw. Yes. Like a big ol' messy country outlaw. He got them both. Yes. I think like one lived like the others. I want to talk about George Jones today. Oh, my goodness. There's so much. The possum. Yes. Called him the possum. He's not the criminal in these stories. No. The crime just like buzzes around him, like horse flies in a stable. Oh, yeah. His run-ins with the law were generally a product of his alcoholism. And I don't find that particularly funny or entertaining. Yeah, we don't need to make some of that part. Steering clear of all that. But let me tell you a little bit about George Jones. Let's set the stage for what's to come. George Glenn Jones born September 12, 1931 in Saratoga, Texas. He grew up in nearby Vider in the Piney Woods of Southeast Texas. Oh, yeah. And he was the youngest of eight children in a working class family. And they were poor.

8:05There was all this instability because of the, you know, great depression. The depression, yeah. His father, George Washington Jones, was an alcoholic who was sometimes violent. His mother, Clara Patterson Jones, she was musically inclined. And she really encouraged her son's early interest in singing. And so he later said that hearing gospel music and church and on the radio, especially the stuff by Roy Acuff. Oh, yeah. Stirred something in him. And it hooked in. So by the time he was nine, he was performing on the streets of Beaumont for tips. And at 16, he left home, started playing in honky-tonks all across East Texas. Okay. So by 1950, he got married, got divorced. He got you in- He wanted to get one out just right away. Just get him knocking out, yeah, just like just a little trial run. He had listed in the Marines during the Korean War conflict. So his station in California continued to play music when he could. He gets out in 1953, goes back to Texas.

9:06And he's like, I'm going to be a full-time musician. Oh, my God. That's my career. I would love to be able to just open my mouth and say, wouldn't that be amazing? It would be the most amazing thing I can imagine. He gets a recording contract with Star Day Records in 1954, with this producer, Papi Daily. The name's Papi Daily. So his early single... That's about country and western. Yeah, very much so. His early singles had that like hard-edged honky-tonk style of the period. His breakthrough came in 1955. He had a song, Why Baby Why. It was a top 10 country hit. He got him like national attention. Oh, yeah. And then through the late 50s, he recorded this string of like really successful singles, including White Lightning. And that became his first number one country hit in 1959. And it has like this really driving rhythm. He has expressive kind of comedic vocals. And he shows that he can be funny and demonstrate humor, but have this like technical precision.

10:06Like, What Lightning? So his voice quickly became like his defining instrument. He had this really wide range. Incredible breath control. Yes, like Frank Sinatra that way. Yeah. And it gives for really again like Sinatra subtle phrase. Frazing totally. That's what you do with the great breath. You can do exactly what you want. Exactly. So he could slide between notes in a way that showed a lot of nuance, but it wasn't. He was never sappy or sentimental. Yeah, yeah. No, he had more of an ache than a sentimental quality. Yes, yes. So all other artists critics, they said that he was the... Many described him as the greatest male country singer of his generation. I can always see them. Yeah. So his ballads were groundbreaking because they were like super conversational and intimate. And that went on to influence performers all across country and Americana music. Oh, yeah. Because they all are kind of riffing on. Really always talked about them. Yeah, yeah. So in 1966, George Jones and his band recorded it in Nugget Studios.

11:07And this was this like really modest facility in North and Nashville. Musicians loved it because it was cheap and it was out in the country. Like Alvin Milanoer. So George Jones... They can make a racket. Yeah, exactly. Has it hit with white lightning? He's also got a hit. She thinks I still care. But people are starting to hear about his drinking troubles. I mean, like he'd go on benders. This means becoming possible. Yeah, he wasn't particularly reliable in the studio or on the road. But people didn't care. They're just like, you're too good. He still sells out shows. It's kind of like, you know, people buy a ticket to a Lauren Hill show. And they're like, she may not show up. Very much like that. Yeah. But you know, I'll hang in there. So during the Nugget Sessions, Jones and his musicians, they recorded a ton of songs, like tons. He did some originals, but he covered a lot of Hank Williams tunes. One of his originals was a song called Ship of Love. And it was co-written with Earl P. Nut Montgomery and Johnny Paycheck.

12:07Yeah, Johnny Paycheck. Right? And so... He also like sang like Harmony Vocals and played the bass, Johnny Paycheck did. So the recordings are produced under this agreement with Jimodon Enterprises. Okay. That is a Rad Hillbilly company. Oh, hell yeah. So this was a business partnership between Donald Gilbrath, Don, and Jones's road manager, Jimmy Klein. Okay. So Jimodon. Jimmy Don, naturally. I don't know why I thought it was one guy. Gilbrath had known Jones for years. They worked together on music, on promo stuff. And according to documentation that was signed by Jones, the arrangement called for payment of $6,000 in exchange for recording about 130 songs. 130. 130. 130. That's nuts. These would be for radio play. Sure. And the ownership rights... Not a small one. That's a lot. Ownership rights would go to Jimmy Don Enterprises. Okay. So the precise nature of the rights transfer later became unclear.

13:08Like did Jones formally sell the recordings? Did he assign them outright or did he just straight up relinquish them because he was in a bad way with his addiction? Oh, right. It's not really clear. In a sworn statement, years later, Klein mentioned that Jones had fully given up his interest in the recording. So rights and publishing. Yeah. And they're like, why? He's like, I don't know. I can't explain it. No, you just can't. So after the 1966 sessions wrapped up and when Nuggett was in everyone's rear view, the master tapes pretty much disappeared from public view. And more than a decade later, in 1979, Gilbreath, he made a friend, followed by the name of David Snoddy, SNODDY. Wow. So the two, they bonded over all these shared interests they had, bowling, go-cart sales. I got it. You know how you meet someone you're like, you, I do go, I'm into go-cart sales. Like, no way. So am I. Were you saying go-cart sales?

14:09You don't mean like selling go-cart. You mean a go-cart that has a sale? No, no, no, selling go-cart. Oh, yeah. I couldn't question Al. Yeah. Yeah. The sale, the sale. It was like a desert thing. And commerce of go-cart. Go-cart. Okay. Go-cart dealers. Yeah. But it couldn't be that easy. I was talking about you like to move units. Oh, I love go-cart. I love with power. What? So they started hanging out at an Alabama bowling alley that was managed by Gilbreath. Why not? And like George Jones would come by sometimes and be like, what's up? Yeah, they got a bar there, I'm sure. Exactly. So throughout the 80s, Gilbreath and Snotty, they became partners in all these different ventures. Vending machine operations. Were they the Nashville Mafia? Construction. Real estate development. Yeah. They also leased tour festivities. Construction, so cement. To where they also in like waste management. They leased tour buses to George Jones and sometimes to Laura the Lin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of my favorites. So in addition to transportation services, they also handled the merch sales at George Jones

15:13concerts. Of course, yeah. And so and he was raking it in on news. Ball caps, bumper stickers, t-shirts. I feel like a George Jones bumper sticker is a sure far way to get pulled over and subjected to a breathalyzer. Just pull me over right now. Snotty later testified that he and Gilbreath divided the profits from the merchandise sales with Jones and his band over a three year period. Basically, a George Jones bumper sticker is like, well, I was like, I've been to Gillies. It's like, okay, you drank and you drive. And yeah, exactly. So like you. So by the early 1980s, the pals had branched out into a new transportation venture. What is that? A large-scale drug trafficking. Oh, it's a transportation issue. They moved marijuana and Colombian coke into southern states via small aircraft. I really got the organized crime feeling from them early on. If you could sniff it out and did a good job.

16:14Thank you. And I like, I'm glad that they're keeping up with the trends in crime. Yeah. Like the 70s, let's get into cocaine. Sure. Exactly. We should sell pot. Right. Now, they're just carrying it over. So we're in the early 80s. It's not he owns some of the planes, which they're using. You want to use a small plane? He's got to play like a little buzzer, like, he did a little treetop flying. One alleged associate claimed that the pair would hide drugs in the tour buses that they were leasing out to country stars. And it's not he was like, lies, lies, I tell you. I just hope they weren't making Miss Loretta carry weight. Like, that's just wrong. Getting caught on the Texas scale. That is wrong. So in late 1982, Gilbreath took over Klein's stake in the 1966 tapes and he brought Snotty in as a partner. Okay. And they tried to get a buyer for those Hank Williams covers. By the way, what's your favorite Hank Williams song? Trying to think about my favorite Hank Williams song.

17:16Give me a second. What's your favorite Hank Williams song? I think mine is you win again. That's a good one. Yeah. They're great covers of that. Mike Ness does an incredible cover. Yeah. Grateful dead used to cover it. Fats Domino. Fats Domino. But some say you're never giving that one up. Some say Fats Domino. Johnny Cash. Keith Richards does a weird cover it. I also, I also like cold cold heart. Yeah. I was. A wreath. A wreath in like the muscle shoals sessions. Does an incredible cold cold heart. Yeah. Tony Bennett's the one actually who made it popular in the first place and drew attention to it. And that drew attention to Hank. That was Tony Bennett. Old Tony Bennett. Old Tony Bennett. Daddy. God bless him. Yeah. I love it. Thank you, Tony. So any any strike your fans? I was thinking like you're cheating the heart, but uh, yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's such a tough question. Give me a minute. Let me see if I can answer that later. Hey, good looking. Yeah. Well, yeah. That's a fun one. Yeah.

18:17Do you think on it? Let it percolate. Yeah. Because like, I don't. Anyway. That's brilliant. Well, you'll have chance to think on it for a second. Yeah, let's go. So anyway, these two bozos, they're trying to sell off the Hank covers. Okay. And before they could get that together, they got arrested in connection with a conspiracy to purchase tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana. Oops. Like, I don't think Hank done it this way. So they posted $250,000 bond back by real estate holdings. And so, you know, there was a conviction and they appealed it and they had to satisfy their bail while they were on appeal, a million dollars now. So at that stage, Gilbreath presented the George Jones tapes as collateral. He said the five real to real tapes contained 35 live performances by George Jones and his band and that their value was more than a million dollars. And he said there were projections that, you know, the price could go up because Jones

19:17was so legendary and like the finite nature of his recording career. I mean, we all got to go sometime. Oh, that's what they mean. I was wondering. I'm like, are they trying to say like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're the price sky rocks. So that's it. As soon as he's gone, the price will be, you know, so the court accepted the tapes as collateral unbelievable. And both of them got temporary release pending appeal. Let's take a break. Okay. You think on your favorite Hank? Return the tapes. Nice. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing, another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chamba. Jump in at chamba casino dot com. Let's chamba. No purchase necessary. BTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CC and C. 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. No one knows what the future holds, but you deserve a weather app that can help.

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23:31Hank's songs. I did. While you were brushing your hair during the break, I had a moment. Are you making fun of the fact that I don't brush my hair? No, never. Why would I do that? You can't be off guard. You know I'm terrible at song titles. If you don't sing the song title in your song, I'm like, I don't listen to that song. He does. I'm good there. A lot of them. But I wanted to be certain because I always feel bad. I said earlier, you're cheating hard. That's probably, but I don't want to be all mad then. I'm so lonesome I could cry. That's my favorite song. I'll go with the one that I had a lot of fun as a boy singing, which I always was where my love of country started. It was his singing country. My dad driving around or dancing while he's cooking breakfast. So I'm going to go with hey, good looking, what you got cooking. I'm not cooking. I'm not cooking. Somewhat with me. Nice. He's looking. He's looking. Whoa. We could just sing Hank's songs for the rest of it. Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. We could go as crying. So we like. Thank you for giving me that time to think about it because I always feel like a Bose

24:34that when I run like no, no, no, songs, I like it's hard to get put on the spot, you know, like, and I've been in this, you know, working on this for a bit here. So. Well yeah. And also I just I can't thought about like, that's kind of tough because like, they're all such different moods. Well, yeah. That's the thing too. All right. So we're, when we left off, guild breath and snoddy, they got busted for drug running. Yes. And they needed to pay their bail while on appeal. So they put up George Jones's nugget sessions. This is the aware of this. No. Some originals had a bunch of Hank Williams covers. So this is in 1984. By 1986, they were hooked up with none other than the Medellin cartel. That was the Pablo Escobar. Yeah, they had upsized. And so this was Coke running on the biggest scale imaginable. They used their planes. They got some pilots who were willing to take some risks. And sometimes it got a little squirrely with those pilots that they brought. Oh, the small planes with an uneven load shifting around in the back.

25:37Exactly. Sarah and Clujas. What? Yes. I was close. I want you to picture it. It's February 13, 1986. You are a US customs agent named Gary Gingrich, not Jerry Gurgich, and likely no relation to Newt Gingrich. You're a helicopter pilot. I know how much you love that. You and your partner are on a patrol ship north of the Gulf Coast. You got a report of a suspicious assessment. The registration number came back to a David Leon Snoddy out of Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Turns out the guy is a known drug runner. You get eyes on the plane and begin to follow. You've just gasped up, so you're ready to track him wherever he may go. You picked him up near the Louisiana Mississippi border. He's flying a little low and won't respond when you try and raise him on the radio. You move in closer.

26:38The pilot still won't answer you on the radio. You get closer. You know about 10 feet behind the plane. You and your partner notice a side window open up and then a package is flooded. It spins and flips as it topples to the ground. You are a customs agent. You know what a kilo of coke looks like. Crab apple! You shout? Don't say bad words. Down below in the parking lot of a small Baptist church out in the woods of the Homachito National Forest, a brick of coke comes tumbling toward the earth. Taped in wrap like a high school seniors visits class project. It bounces off the dirt of the lot without splitting open. It caroms through the air. Clear as a low chain link fence and skitters across the neat grass of the church's small cemetery. The package rolls away deep into the thick woods where it sits to this day. You continue to follow the plane. Another brick of coke flies out the window. Then another you continue to follow. Good bit of time goes by with still no answer from the pilot of the plane.

27:39It's just the word of your blades and the crackle of an empty radio channel. You pull alongside the plane now. There are two men in there. The pilot wears large dark aviators sunglasses and a polo shirt. The passenger is wearing a Hawaiian shirt and looks straight at you. He smiles. Then he gives you the finger. Bark a lounger you shout. You radio to the ground. The passenger just gave me the finger. They tell you to continue pursuit. You ask if they're sending up support. I mean, you're in a helicopter and you've been flying for a while now. You are ironically just passing over Muscle Shoals, Alabama. You've got to stop for fuel soon. You pull up beside the plane again in gesture for the pilot to answer his radio. The two men in the plane laugh. You gesture for him to land. Well, that's what you mean. Your partner asks, what are you trying to tell them? Land, you say. Oh, it looks like that Egyptian dance, he says. Gogin' high, you yell. The passenger in the plane flips you off once again and then opens his side window and tosses

28:39another brick of coke. You're just approaching Huntsville, Alabama. You radio control that you have to stop and refuel. They promise to send another flyer up to track the assessment. You peel off and head for an air strip. The plane keeps going. You land and a crew comes out to fill up your tank. You slam your fist on your knee. Manitoba, you yell. Your partner asks what the problem is. You tell him that you hate to not get your man. Just as they're finished, you get a message. The plane landed in Collegedale, Tennessee, just outside of Chattanooga. Chattanooga, you cry. Your partner asks, what is it this time? We're headed to Chattanooga, you tell him. Off you go, racing through the sky. You land at Collegedale, the cops on the ground have the passenger in custody. You approach and confirm it's by yourself. Not so funny now, you tell. You walk over and peek your head into the plane looking back into the passenger area. A little transistor radio plays a mournful country ballot. Kilos of cocaine, rap type, are stacked along the ground.

29:41You walk back over to the cops. What about the pilot? Where's he? I'd like the word with him, you say. They tell you that as soon as the plane landed, the pilot hopped out and skidattled into the woods. They were unable to locate him. HIP APOTIMUS! FOILED AGAIN. So, the feds got Snotty's plane, Volacoke. The pilot, Samuel Klaus Burtchard, managed to escape and knock it caught. In fact, he was featured on America's most wanted in 1988 as a result of this. As a result of this? Yes. He did off of the airfield in Collegedale, got a friend to come pick him up and drive him to Miami. And then from there, he was believed to have gone to the Bahamas. He was never seen again. Never. Sure, he's never came back to the America if he could help it. Sure. So, he can still fly Coke around. Because he'd been smuggling cocaine and other drugs since the early 70s, he had connections all over the place. And I'm hoping some savings. Probably. I hope. Also, you don't run this same time. I'm not mistaken.

30:41It could have been these guys, but Pablo Escobar found out that Whalen was doing his blow. And he had a Kilo sent directly and the FBI ended up tracking a shipment that went directly from Pablo Escobar. It could have been these guys. Two Whalen Jennings. It kind of makes sense. So, I'm just wondering how long that they were paying to be. Exactly. So, the pilot, he gets indicted along with 40 other members of this smuggling ring. And that included Snotty and Gilbreath. Okay. And that was May of 1986. There had been this year long undercover operation to bust what was a billion dollar operation that time. So following the new charges, Bond gets revoked. The nugget tapes, remember those, they get returned to the men's attorney who acknowledged retrieving them in 1986. And he later stated that acting under instructions from his clients, he sold the recordings for $28,000 to cover mounting legal expenses. And it was only a fraction of their value. That's what I was going to say.

31:42That was the $28,000 grant. They're saying it was a million. Yeah. So, in 1987, both Gilbreath and Snotty, it's like selling a car for a book of stamps. Yeah, exactly. Like, I need to send this postcard. Yes, exactly. They get convicted in the cocaine case in 1987. Gilbreath gets out in 1992 after cooperating against a cartel figure. I know, right? It was brave. So, it wasn't out long. Snotty got free in 1993, but then he went back to prison for something else and then he got released in 2015. Okay. Now, unexpectedly in 2014, a Louisiana court found some of the Jones tapes stored in a bank vault that had been used for court collateral decades earlier. Because only Gilbreath had been formally listed as the owner when the tapes were pledged, the court released them to as a state following his 2005 death. There was no will in place. A Tennessee court appointed Dwayne Maddox III as the estate administrator.

32:46He transferred the tapes to a Tennessee bank vault where they remain unplayed. And then it gets, you know, transferred. It just bounces all over the place. But did he know what they were? Did you think, oh, they got some real to real today? I guess Snotty, whose co-ownership had never been formally recorded, successfully pursued a legal claim to shared ownership in 2018, then 2020, George Jones's sons find out about the tapes. Thank you. I was wondering in the family here about these. They sued Snotty and the Gilbreath estate. They disputed the ownership rights and they questioned the validity and the scope of that original 1966 contract. Yes, but contract totally. So they said, even if it's enforceable, the agreement seemed to restrict usage only to radio broadcast. So not like records or not, April of 2022, a federal court in Tennessee. You can play it on FM and AM, like that's about it. So that's their suit, right? April of 2022, a federal court in Tennessee dismissed the suit for lack of jurisdiction.

33:49So decades of legal maneuvering, we still don't know what's on the tapes. No one's heard them. No one has publicly verified whether they contain the labeled master recordings of the 1966 performances or if that old magnetic tape could survive being digitized, it's so fragile at this point. So a judge previously noted concerns that the judge was like, look, there are these concerns that exposure to magnetic or electrical interference could permanently race them. And Snotty and the Gilbreath estate, they want to market it, but Jones's sons are like, no, no, you can't, you can't make money off of this. Like we need to get this all settled. So good for them. Let's go back to 1969. That's Elizabeth. That's when George Jones married Tammy Wynett. Ah, on the age of Aquarius. It's the age of Aquarius. Tammy was a huge country star on her own, right? Tammy Wynett.

34:49Tammy Wynett. Tammy Wynett. Oh, yeah. Forget about it, son. Their partnership became one of country music's most commercially successful and publicly scrutinized marriages. Honey. Honey. They divorced in 1975. And so his personal, George's personal struggles really escalated in the seventh. A lot of the, but the craziest stories, yes, come from there, alcohol, cocaine addiction, would disrupt the recording sessions, the tour schedules. He was notorious within the industry for missing concerts and that got him the nickname No Show Jones. Yes. You, you know that the Wail and Jennings talking about the time he had to like, basically tie a rope and tie George Jones to a tree. Yes. Right? I mean, like that's where he was a willful. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. A country boy. There you go. Thank you. So he started to have more and more financial problems because he wasn't showing up for these paid performances. Oh, yeah. He's going to do what he's going to do. It is erratic behavior became legendary.

35:52And then there's the often retold story that he once rode a lawnmower, riding lawnmower to a liquor store after Tammy Wainette hit his car keys. I was trying not to bring that one up because it was set up top, but a 100 percent one of my favorite stories of all country music history just because of the choice of like yeah. Like I was saying he's willful. He's like, I'm going to get there. Yeah. I'll take my rod and mower and I'll get all the John Deere you get down there. So despite these setbacks, but you know why people drove past him and didn't give him a ride. I've seen that. When I lived down south. Oh, I bet. I take a riding lord of the liquor store. It was, it was a thing. See, in California, it's like, oh, you're riding a little girls bike or whatever. Totally a little girl. So despite all these setbacks, George Jones continued to record really important work. And in 1980, he released, he stopped loving her today. Oh, wow. That song. Produced by Billy Cheryl. That's that eight. I'm talking about. And that's the number, somber narrative about lifelong devotion ending only in death.

36:57And that became the defining recording of his career. He stopped loving her today if you haven't heard it, you gotta listen to it. It won multiple awards is frequently cited by critics and other artists as one of the greatest country songs ever recorded. Oh, yeah, definitely. And so the performance revitalized his reputation and also introduced him to this whole new generation of listeners. So in 1983, he married Nancy Sepulvedo and she became a total stabilizing force in his life and in his career. And so with her support, he got sober, rebuilt his professional standing and he credited her in 1980s and like early 90s, had all this renewed touring success. And you imagine the both the strength and will you have to have to meet George Jones and overcome him and then the kindness you also have to meet. She has to be one of the hardest and softest people ever made, exactly.

38:00And just like a rock, you know, he had all these other hits still doing time. I always get lucky with you. He gets into the country music hall of fame in 1992 and in April of 2013 is when he passed away. And Nancy wanted to sell, they had this huge estate in Tennessee country gold. It was called she wanted to sell it when he passed away during that summer, a guy named Kirk West toward the property. He presented himself like this seasoned investor. He wanted to buy it. There was no deal that came about, but he starts buzzing around, you know, he's like two decades younger than she is. Nancy Hanson. Um, no, but we'll see anyway. I was wondering if he's trying to be like a charmer. Who is Kirk? I mean, for some, some ladies would probably look at him and be like, no, that's not me. I mean, I had some man. Are we talking about like one of those like, you know, handsome good old boy, like, you know, con men types? Just to come around.

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43:14manager before he reinvented himself as a career placement consultant. What? I need a new career. Oh, let me talk to this guy. So he's like essentially a head hunter and life coach. Yeah. God, the whole life coach thing. By the early 2000s, he had relocated to Nashville. Naturally. That's where the action was. All these different business names. The most notable one, J.L. Kirk Associates. Oh, you literally a bunch of different names. Oh, yeah. Welcome to Kirk America. Oh, yeah. He had like a bunch of LLCs. How was the fine unfurnished furniture? He had all these different explanations of why it was J.L. Kirk Associates. And sometimes he was like, well, it's either Jesus Lord or Jesus loves. He needs a Matthew McComayy. Just live in Kirk. Just live in Kirk. Exactly. So in 2007, this blogger, Catherine Cobal in Tennessee publicly criticized his firm. Apparently her husband got an unsolicited call promising executive level employment with

44:19where his firm with his firm. Yes. With J.K. L with J.K. It was just keep living. He had to pay some fees up front first. Yes. Five grand. Sorry, J.L.K. You know, Matthew McComayy threw me. Yeah. Oh, Jesus loves Kirk. I remember that way. So you have to pay $5,000 in fees up front. Oh, he had to pay $5,000 in order to get executive level employment. They were just some like upfront fees. This sounds like a modeling scam for children. Totally. We should have give a couple of lessons. You're like, don't worry. You can put it on a credit card. We accept credit cards. $5,000. Like ignore all the red flags. She described the intake process as aggressive and manipulative rather than constructive. Like lady, come on. I can't help you through everything. Think about this. So after she published her account, Wes said she goes and blogs it out. She's like, I'm gonna blog all over this. We're gonna regret this. Once she found her way out of the public restroom, she was stuck in for three days.

45:20They won't let me reverse the charges on this credit card. So Wes attorney sent a cease and desist and threaten legal actions. So what did she do? She posted the letter on her blog. Yeah. Rare. And so there's all this like public commentary by the years and Wes did closed his office. Wow. That's far more effective than I thought. And then in local media reports, the better business bureau had received numerous complaints. And that's the end of that. That was it. Period. A lot of upset. Wes, he went on to promote himself as a real estate investor, specializing in distressed properties. Okay. And so he somehow gets this favorable profile in Forbes. And it highlights these like rapid home flips. You can pay for those with huge profits. He's like, I'm flipping, flipping, backing forth, slapping up, flipping, oh no, new home sale. And so he uses all this.

46:21He gets all this credibility with prospective investors. According to Forbes, quote, West boasted about flipping two homes within six weeks, making nearly half a million dollars in profit. The spread became a calling card for West, referring potential investors to the flattering piece as proof of both his trustworthiness and track record. Should I say it's neither? I'm just going to go with the opposite of what he said. Yeah. Over time, lawsuits start stacking up. Investors are like, you know, we gave him money. He bought the properties. Then he resold them and didn't tell us that he installed them like still, they think they're still just on the market sitting there with our money. Yeah. He sold them. He kept all the money. According to Rolling Stones, quote, after reading West Forbes article, a couple who've been in touch with West withdrew from their retirement fund, who knows, used a portion of their savings and borrowed money from their adult son to invest $150,000 in a home

47:22West was flipping in August of 2010, allegedly promised a double return. They learned West sold the house a year later and never shared the profits. Only after confronting him did they manage to recoup $115,000 filing suit for the remaining $35,000. This is like, so that case eventually gets dismissed because they started missing deadlines on it. I mean, anyway, financial institutions, other entities, they start suing him to, he has all these unpaid debts. He owed a local paper money for ads that he ran. Mercedes Benz was like, basically, Mercedes Benz is like, we need to talk UOS 30,000 in car payments. Oh, leasing or bought at leasing, and even as attorney sued him after the property that he was renting entered foreclosure. Also from Rolling Stone magazine quote, even West's own attorney suit him, Scott Johansson

48:23said he successfully fought off several fraud litigation claims against West. But after the house, Johansson was living in, which he rented from West suddenly went into foreclosure. He found suit in February of 2014. Johansson listed seven alleged Ponzi schemes West was involved in between November 2011 and August 2013. He alleged West followed the same pattern in each instance after West was, quote, threatened by an attorney with a civil law action and potential criminal prosecution for allegedly orchestrating and participating in a Ponzi scheme, Johansson claimed West would settle with monies borrowed and or otherwise secured for one or more third parties. So I have to wonder about Johansson as the lawyer who knows what he's defending. He seems like, and then he decides like, I'm going to rent a house from this guy who's like scamming everybody. He won't scam me. He won't scam me. No. I'm special. I'm special, baby. So the case becomes moot because West declared bankruptcy.

49:23I'm sorry. Like, personally, like the guy had been married multiple times. And then court records show like he had all these child support disputes. There was infidelity alleged and abuse in one of the divorces. There was an order of protection. His ex-wife accused him of harassment. He had a misdemeanor charge for violating the order, but it got dropped. Is there anything not gross about it? No. Family members, it gets worse. Family members described that he had like two different personas. He had like this publicly affable religious side and then the private controlling volatile partner. Okay. Once again, I see my previous answer. So Rolling Stone spoke with his former stepdaughter, Alicia Porter, quote, he was also a cheater Porter claims. He told my mom that he was going on a spiritual retreat and she followed him to the airport and found another woman's luggage tag that he was taking the woman on a $10,000 vacation

50:24on their anniversary. Porter says, maybe he had plans to see God with that woman that he did all sorts of exes tell similar stories. I'm sure. He'd overwhelm the love bomb, shower them with gifts, help around the house. He targeted like single moms who were struggling straight up predator. Then he turned and like get mean and violent. Basically, he was a piece of I hate this guy. He was a piece of I heard you, yeah, I'm going to say it one more time. No. 2015. I mean, did I not blush? He has all these like lawsuits, all this stuff. He legally changed his name from Leipzig and in the court documents, he listed his reason as, quote, don't like my name, always misspelled too hard and that's when he became Kirk West. So in April of 2013, that's when he met Nancy Jones. She wanted to sell country gold, the 9,600 square foot home on 80 acres that she shared

51:26with George Jones. How did their circles intersect? Now to tell you, I can just imagine George Jones coming back and tuning this guy up, like just bending a golf like clove over his head. So oh, when West went to look at country gold, you know who was with him? No. Jamie Spears, father of Britney Spears. That's come back as Marissa researcher Marissa said, quote, this is entirely unexplained, but seems to track. Like birds with feathers. So she's got all the market and he goes as a real estate investor. Okay. And he's like, he presents himself as this quiet God-fearing man. So he just gets a home tour and she has to be the one doing that. Yeah. And Nancy, she's religious. And so that was really appealing to her. He laid it on stick. He gained her friendship and her trust. Her rolling stone quote, will you pray with me sister? Oh my God. Quote Nancy had been distraught when the honky-tonk crooner died and she cherished what seemed

52:30to be a genuine friendship with West in the immediate months after Jones's death that quickly blossomed into romance. Oh my God. I'm gritting my teeth. So yeah, friends of hers were suspicious that he targeted Nancy because she was vulnerable and wealthy. Yes. Quote. And he's a sleaze ball. Quote. I never trusted him. An old friend of Nancy's who knew the couple for more than a decade tells Rolling Stone. George had just passed and all of a sudden this guy shows up hanging around with Nancy. It's kind of obvious what he was looking for. It seems to me that he was just looking for the widow's money. But he's hung around for a long time. I guess he was playing the long game. And he's a guy that reads obituaries and prays on people, said one former ex-girlfriend. And I'm fairly confident that's how he managed to get in touch with Nancy. Oh my God. So I've heard about people reading obituaries trying to find like a rent control department in New York. And I was like, oh, that's a good angle. But like this is like just next level, like just cruising the Nashville widow scene and

53:33like going, who's got money in kind of the lowest. So but she seemed happy. So her friends decided to mind their own business. But in October of 2014, they did run a background check on him. Thank God. They found over a dozen like state and federal lawsuits filed against him with constant tendency. They didn't tell Nancy about the background check. It's just for Gauss. A friend said quote, a friend said quote, time went by and she was still with him. I just let it be. I never showed it to her because it seemed like she was happy. No. It's tough. I will say though, it is tough in those situations when you see someone in Nancy's type of position, like bad relationship, whatnot, because a lot of times if you do say something either the person won't listen or they'll get defensive and start to pull away. But I just stand to like that. But if you have receipts, but even then, if they start to pull away, you won't be able to see when things get really bad. I agree. I totally agree. But I'm saying, but can't you have the conversation? If you've got pages of lawsuits and civil complaints and like, but you know, these, these

54:38predator guys, they have, they have answers that they're ready. Yeah. So within weeks of their meeting, now remember, he shows up like, oh, yeah, I'm a real state investor. Yeah, I want to buy. I have to tell you something, Nancy, I'm broke. So she's like, you know what? I will help you. She moves him into the home in a separate wing of the estate. And she later said, you know, it was totally platonic at first, but then it became intimate. And from early on, and they're like, you know, 20 something years difference. Just like as in day and Tom Holland, lovers, friends to lovers, friends to lovers. Exactly. It is classic. Classic. So I'm going to yank my tongue out and wrap it around my throat and pull real tight. Don't mind me. So from early on, she financed their lifestyle. Of course she did. They went on these like fancy tropical vacations. She bought them a new Mercedes to replace the other ones. You said 20 years separates them. Yeah. Do we have any idea of like, where are those 20 years are located? Is it like 70 to 50?

55:4040 to 60? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I guess probably like 70 to 50, 60 to 40, 65, 45 something. What's the difference? In late 2013, jewelry went missing from Nancy's safe. And police identified West as a suspect, but the matter was closed without resolution. Over time, you know, she didn't want to press charges. He then starts taking on more and more roles in her business affairs. Oh no. So he helped Nancy make the George Jones Museum in Nashville a reality. Okay. There was a restaurant, event space, roof deck bar, and of course a gift shop. I would certainly hope they sold the bumper stickers there. West became the general manager and he worked in the restaurant. Nancy worked as a waitress and she cleaned the toilets. Wait, wait, I'm going to need you to back up. He's the manager and the restaurant cleaning toilets of her own volition. I know. I know.

56:40The place that she owns. I know. So I was looking down on all this and was absolutely steaming. I'm sure he insists on being reincarnated just so he could have time to come beat this guy up. So then give me a couple of years just enough to learn to walk. So the Nancy made a deal with Concord bicycle music. They bought George Jones' music catalog for $30 million in 2016. In 2016. That seems like a crazy discount. Yeah. Paperwork for the sale. West is listed as secretary for the record company and business manager for the estate. And then that's double the sale. That same year, West gets arrested on federal bank fraud charges. Prosecutors say that he falsified income and net worth figures. He submitted forged documents all in order to get mortgages and he made himself look like a high earning investor and not a predator who scams vulnerable women. So he pleaded guilty. He received a sentence that included house arrest and around a million dollars in restitution.

57:47Nancy paid the legal expenses, advanced the funds to satisfy the restitution obligations. He's like, I will pay you back. Zaren, he never paid her back. No kidding. Yeah. And then West told others that like, oh, I was able to pay it back because she and I did a lot of good investing together. I don't understand how you go from. I can like hang with the possum to I can get works by this bosom. Uh-huh. So during house arrest, West got super into crypto. Oh, my goodness. So he encouraged Nancy to buy a bunch of cryptocurrency doge and ethereum, those are like the big ones. This guy. In a sworn affidavit, Nancy said, quote, Mr. West volunteered to access my accounts with crypto trading platforms, in light of his assertion that I was far too inexperienced. Each investment was funded by assets transferred from my personal bank accounts and was performed by Mr. West on my behalf and for my benefit.

58:47In 2025, she finds out that West is hooked up with another lady who has just publicly announced their engagement, according to Rolling Stone quote, in late April 2025, the woman posted a video of a massive oval cut diamond ring, marking herself engaged on Facebook with Facebook official, y'all that's how you, that's how you really send out good announcements. So, um, after I don't know if I can grind my teeth any harder, they're going to come spraying out of the side of your face. After confronting him, Nancy had her granddaughter help her secure her valuables and they found that there was $400,000 in cash missing from a safe in the house. And does she even know what all of her valuables are at this point, and since she's got some of it in crypto, I mean, like, how much cash do you have in the safe in those $400,000 missing? Um, worse, worse though, you know what else was missing from the safe, a ledger containing

59:48more than $11 million in cryptocurrency was gone from the safe. That was it. That was it. The wallet keys. She would not understand. So she filed a police report. Then she hired forensic specialists to come trace the assets. West calls her up and it's like, I'll give you some of the crypto back. I'll give you five million, are you going to make a deal and he's like, the rest is mine for, yeah, for because it's mine because they were months, according to Rolling Stone, quote, what happened next is unclear. West says Jones agreed to split their assets evenly. So he would move out of the house. Jones's lawsuit does not mention such an agreement. None of the traditional assets were divided between them when West left. Doesn't change. I know. I mean, like all you need, like, two good rowies, you get this done like a two good rowies. Colin, Jim and Don, um, it became pretty obvious that West was going to make a break for it. Like, he's going to run. I'm surprised he's still in the country. Sure enough, authorities arrested him at the airport.

1:00:50Yep. July of 2025, he had a one way ticket to the Philippines. And he was with a lady friend, of course, yeah. So charged with felony theft, he pleaded not guilty. He did two weeks in county while he worked in Weasel to get his bail reduced from a million to 400,000. He's looking at 15 to 60 years. So it's pending Nancy subsequently filed suit, we're seeking recovery of the cryptocurrency. Her complaint characterizes West conduct as consistent with this pattern of exploiting affluent women through charm and the appearance of financial success. This is what it says in the suit, quote, it was West's well-established modus operandi to use his looks gentlemanly manners and veneer of a successful real estate career to exploit wealthy, potentially vulnerable women and she's being generous with the whole looks thing. Okay. I was wondering. I mean, he sounds like this is a very classic like dating back when I was a kid.

1:01:50He's just an average here about like, uh, yeah, like whatever. Like carpet bagging southerners in the, in the post civil war period coming down and like romancing some of the civil war widow and getting the whole plantation. Like this has been a long, basically what has happened. Yes. In early 2026, West countersuit, uh, he said that their assets had been combined and that he's entitled to half of certain holdings, including cryptocurrency, $5 million in golden silver and a million in cash. And then he also part of his lawsuit was reputed. It's a rotational harm and defamation, rep, sir, sir, sir, sir, ma'am, no, ma'am. That's when I swat him on the nose, no, ma'am, uh, the litigation remains ongoing. How many of them under the windies, sir, you are under a windies, sir, it was your ridiculous takeaway. I hope that goes to George Jones catches up to him as soon as he's behind bars and can't get away and spends all of his nights just like getting whispered to till he goes mad

1:02:54or till his cellmate just, you know, like, helps him find heaven. I just, I just this guy, like what the, like, I, I cannot believe, I don't know, I, you know me, I'm not a big fan of taking it, like, I don't mind con men in particular, because I understand. But I like it when they go for fat cats, when they get somebody who's full of themselves and they, you know, the hoys are done, the petard bit, like, I'm okay with like robin a Rockefeller. But if you're going and robbing the widow of a country music legend, I mean, she, she, yeah, she's wealthy, whatever. But he's a predator. But that's what I'm saying. And also she's very vulnerable. She's vulnerable. She's vulnerable. The Rockefeller ain't vulnerable. He's just a fool. Like, you can rob a rich fool and I'll, I mean, applaud. But you rob like a rich, vulnerable person who is grieving essentially when he, they first meet. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And lonely and low. And you're like, oh, I can take, I can fill that hole in your heart. My takeaway for asking is that I love that you got me so mad on Tuesday and now today I got you so mad. That is fun. That's fun. Well, we have a lot of tent up rage that we're just directing.

1:03:58We have like this weird in sync quality, like, you know, like two college women who get on the same period cycle, you know, like you become roommates. You're like, I don't know. We're now on the same cycle. We do tend to weak after a week. We go through and like this week apparently was, let's rage bait the other. Yeah, exactly. Well, there it is. I think I need to talk back. Hey, guys, Scott from Hickory North Carolina here. So I actually have lyrics to your theme song here it goes, there are an Elizabeth Carmes that are ridiculous 99% murder free Elizabeth hates for a reason. Rude dudes are here who knows who cares.

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